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Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:50:00 - [1] Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 15/06/2011 16:56:22 I'm making this thread in an attempt to get a straight answer from one of CCPs Developers. For how many times has this been asked by both myself and other people, and yet I still have not seen a straight answer to the question. Why are you removing the hangar view as an option? What purpose does it serve to force players (even veterans) to always use the CQ? Why not keep both and allow the player to switch between the Hangar View and the Captains Quarters environment at will? My argument: If this is all about the new player experience: simply force new players to use the CQ until after the tutorial or only allow them to access their tutorials from the CQ. Why have you changed your stance on this? 3 years ago you had the right idea, to create the captains quarters as a separate area to the hangar. To me it does not make sense to force players to use the captains quarters all the time, both in terms of immersion, performance and gameplay. Immersion wise it does not make sense because: Its not easy to enter and exit your pod, why would I as a pod pilot decide to exit my pod when all I want to do is change from one ship to another and undock again. Wouldn't it be much easier to allow the player to dock either to the hangar as is right now, OR dock and disembark directly to the captains quarters, but only when a player wishes to do this. Adding another Dock command (Dock & Disembark) is all it would take to allow players to go directly to the CQ when docking. By keeping the hangar and the CQ seperate, CCP could also at a later date decide to add additional flair to the CQ, like optional cutscenes when you enter/exit your pod or when you have been podded and receive a new clone. Performance wise it does not make sense because: Low end systems, as well as people who have multiple accounts running, according to a recent blog, are advised to use the "temporary" DISABLE CQ OPTION. Not to mention CQ loading times are longer than hangar loading times because the CQ requires almost a gig of system memory. By keeping the current hangar view as an alternative to the CQ, this problem is solved in a much more graceful way, without screwing older PCs. If both the CQ and the Hangar are kept, any problems POST patch will only affect the Captains Quarters. By forcing players to use the CQ, by removing the normal hangar view, any uncaught bugs will effect the entire EVE population. Gameplay wise it does not make sense because: CCP has always had the goal to create the most expansive universe. Why remove the ability to stay inside your ship and just view the hangar when docked. Not all ships when seen from the hangar balcony in the CQ are properly representive of their true size (due to the re-positioning mechanic that brings smaller ships closer to the balcony.) By keeping the hangar view you would allow players another way to judge scale, and still allow them to look around their ships and the hangar. The player always seems to spawn on the end of the hangar balcony, walking into the other section of the CQ every time is tiresome... which will cause a lot of people to stick to the NeoCom, why even force players to load the CQ environment then. Some players will use the CQ, others won't, most I recon (me included) will use it when they want to use it, and otherwise just want to use the hangar view as it is right now. Forcing it on people isn't going to make them any happier... --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Alpine 69 Rubbish Superheroes	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:52:00 - [2] Definitely agree with all points made. /Signed. -
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:55:00 - [3] /signed. It would be really nice for a response from the devs on this whole issue.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:57:00 - [4] incarna and multiple client users CCP Zulu DEV BLOG "For the sake of a smooth transition we therefore decided to temporarily add the option to not load the Incarna interiors while stilll retaining full access to all options and menus." You might want to read it.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Simetraz incarna and multiple client users CCP Zulu DEV BLOG "For the sake of a smooth transition we therefore decided to temporarily add the option to not load the Incarna interiors while stilll retaining full access to all options and menus." You might want to read it. You might want to read the op.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:02:00 - [6] Hi.... Well put but... not really new... See Here Here petition Here Here Here Here And my biggest problem with it Here The more this issue is raised, the better. But It's worth looking to see what has already been said on the issue :-) Although given the lack of search features on this site. A lot of those threads in general are being drowned out by MT and DDoS threads. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Soden Rah Hi.... Well put but... not really new... See Here Here petition Here Here Here Here And my biggest problem with it Here The more this issue is raised, the better. But It's worth looking to see what has already been said on the issue :-) Although given the lack of search features on this site. A lot of those threads in general are being drowned out by MT and DDoS threads. Yeah I know Soden. It's pretty depressing ain't it.
Aessaya Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:04:00 - [8] I totally agree with the OP. While i'm looking forward to CQ and incarna overall, i would really like to be able to choose whether i'd like to exit my pod and go walk around in stations or just switch ships and undock again. It makes no sense in forcing ppl to use the CQ. Besides, all the "eve is still runnable on low-end systems is utter bull****, tbh. While my pc isn't top-of-the-line, it does its jub, and i lose 80% of the performance fps-wise while in CQ. Explain this.
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:05:00 - [9] I am aware of those threads, However, none of them have actually answered this particular question. Since Incarna's release is only days away, I felt it was time to take the issue head on and ask for a straight answer directly. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Saint Lazarus Pwn 'N Play Chaos Theory Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:05:00 - [10] /signed CCP adamantly refuse to answer these questions with a straight answer for months now, I dont expect them to respond to this (with anything other than the vague dismissive replies already). But maybe just MAYBE.......we can get a reason as to WHY we cant get an answer ----------------- My EvE Comic
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:08:00 - [11] +1 - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:15:00 - [12] Yeah, I'd also like to hear something concrete and unambiguous (!) from CCP on this subject. Near as I can tell the current compulsory nature of CQ/Incarna content comes from a business requirement to maximize exposure to MT merchandise. I.e. the more-longer you are forced to stare at your avatar (and other avatars in some future), the more likely you are to spend some Aurum. ... If you like choice please support this topic in the Assembly Hall. Thanks.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:19:00 - [13] CQ will destroy my immersion. Completely destroy it. I live in a wormhole. As you all know, wormhole pilots ain't quite right. One thing, when we dock, we tend to gtfo as fast as we can to get to the quiet comforts of w-Space. We don't get out of our pods. Please don't force us out of our pods. They keep the germs of the others off us. They keep the others from looking at us. You can't trust the others. The pods keep us safe. Don't force us out of the pods.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Razin Yeah, I'd also like to hear something concrete and unambiguous (!) from CCP on this subject. Near as I can tell the current compulsory nature of CQ/Incarna content comes from a business requirement to maximize exposure to MT merchandise. I.e. the more-longer you are forced to stare at your avatar (and other avatars in some future), the more likely you are to spend some Aurum. If that really is the design reason behind this. Sad times.
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:43:00 - [15] Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 15/06/2011 17:43:46 Originally by: Razin Yeah, I'd also like to hear something concrete and unambiguous (!) from CCP on this subject. Near as I can tell the current compulsory nature of CQ/Incarna content comes from a business requirement to maximize exposure to MT merchandise. I.e. the more-longer you are forced to stare at your avatar (and other avatars in some future), the more likely you are to spend some Aurum. Ironically and sadly this is the most justified explanation yet... However if this were to be true, I would seriously question CCPs commitment to the game... and mine. I most certainly wouldn't be a happy customer if design decisions now and in future were going to be motivated by a cash-shop. Especially considering this is only the start of Incarna, annoying people like that is more likely to drive people away than keep them interested long enough for the cash-shop to become effective. Besides, since there more in depth incarna expansions to come out in the future, why force it in when its always better to develop something naturally over time. Regardless, I'd still like to hear a straight and honest answer from CCP. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Sandviched	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:04:00 - [16] -10/10 tribibad troll
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Sandviched -10/10 tribibad troll Yes if I were trolling this would be a horrible trolling thread, but since this is a genuine question, go seek your sandviches somewhere else. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Sandviched	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Hyperforce99 Originally by: Sandviched -10/10 tribibad troll Yes if I were trolling this would be a horrible trolling thread, but since this is a genuine question, go seek your sandviches somewhere else. I'm sorry, am I messing up your perfect carebear dream? If your computer can't handle incarna then why complain? it's your fault your computer can't handle it? not ccp's also it's their product.. they can do what thy want with it.. not you
Alpine 69 Rubbish Superheroes	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:44:00 - [19] Edited by: Alpine 69 on 15/06/2011 18:44:38 Originally by: Sandviched Originally by: Hyperforce99 Originally by: Sandviched -10/10 tribibad troll Yes if I were trolling this would be a horrible trolling thread, but since this is a genuine question, go seek your sandviches somewhere else. I'm sorry, am I messing up your perfect carebear dream? If your computer can't handle incarna then why complain? it's your fault your computer can't handle it? not ccp's also it's their product.. they can do what thy want with it.. not you How exactly does not wanting to watch a person walk around in a station all the time make someone a carebear? Last time I checked being one had to do with actions in space. And as for "it's their product, they can do what they want with it", what they'll want to do with their product is tailor it to the wants and needs of their customer base. Hyperforce99 is merely clearing up what at least a part of said customer base wants, and asking for CCP's stance on the matter. -
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:46:00 - [20] While I appreciate the response and I agree with you. Its best not to feed the troll and let them simply hunger away. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Sandviched If your computer can't handle incarna then why complain? If every time you started Windows, every app in the Adobe Creative Suite started up as well, would you complain that it was completely pointless and unnecessary, even if your computer had no problem running all of them at once and even if you could do other stuff while they were loading? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Maul555 Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.15 19:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Hyperforce99 Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 15/06/2011 16:56:22Adding another Dock command (Dock & Disembark) is all it would take to allow players to go directly to the CQ when docking. I agree with you but cringed on this point. two dock commands on the same menu is beyond ******ed. Default dock should be to the hangar, with a 2nd button right above undock that lets you leave the ship and walk into the station. Either that or a simple check box in the settings for whichever you prefer. The EVE Personality Test
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.15 19:39:00 - [23] Yeah... i personally feel the whole game is going to go to ****. They are forcing you to use it because if they dont then there is no reason to buy their crap and if you see other people wearing the latest stuff it might make you want to buy it. I think the whole station thing is going to be bad for the mechanics currently in game (as docking mechanics will be changed) and for those with slower computers/connections. You can probably expect to get spammed when you log in for all the new vanity items as well.
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.15 19:52:00 - [24] So you dock a ship and you get the loading screen but instead of being in a hanger you're in the CQ. Still only one load screen, as long as you can do everything from the CQ, I don't see a problem. Only thing you won't be able to do is sit in the hanger spinning your ship. Does that sound about right?
Maul555 Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.15 19:55:00 - [25] Edited by: Maul555 on 15/06/2011 19:56:00 Originally by: Katra Novac So you dock a ship and you get the loading screen but instead of being in a hanger you're in the CQ. Still only one load screen, as long as you can do everything from the CQ, I don't see a problem. Only thing you won't be able to do is sit in the hanger spinning your ship. Does that sound about right? Bingo... Except that you spawn on the balcony overlooking your ship, and have to walk your but to your CQ if you want to go there. The EVE Personality Test
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.15 19:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Katra Novac So you dock a ship and you get the loading screen but instead of being in a hanger you're in the CQ. Still only one load screen, as long as you can do everything from the CQ, I don't see a problem. Only thing you won't be able to do is sit in the hanger spinning your ship. Does that sound about right? you have two accounts watch the EVE footprint reaching 3GB when you dock both. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.15 20:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Aessaya Besides, all the "eve is still runnable on low-end systems is utter bull****, tbh. While my pc isn't top-of-the-line, it does its jub, and i lose 80% of the performance fps-wise while in CQ. Explain this. You have crappy hardware. Question answered. People always say they don't, and then proceed to tell how their machine can't cope with this or that feature in EVE. --
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.15 20:03:00 - [28] Edited by: Ranka Mei on 15/06/2011 20:03:52 Originally by: Grimpak you have two accounts watch the EVE footprint reaching 3GB when you dock both. So? Watch me still have 3G left (on my 6G machine; which is actually rather modest: ppl have 8G or 12G these days). --
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.15 20:10:00 - [29] Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 15/06/2011 20:12:12 For the record: I have a 1 year old high end gaming laptop with a 330M Geforce and 6 gigs of memory and a I7-CPU that I play EVE on. When I tried the most recent CQ test on duality, Loading times were substantially higher due to CQ being loaded. When I tried to run 2 accounts docked (in space is fine) my game started running rough. Even with 6 Gigs of memory to use, its a massive increase in demand on my system compared to what eve uses now. I'm a student of game development myself (third years), and such an increase in resource demand for a game as massive as EVE-online is not something to take lightly. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.15 20:10:00 - [30] You are forced to the CQ so you can see ... "Special, Today Only, Quaffe Pants! 3 Aurum, get em while supplies last!"

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