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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:37:00 -
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Steam makes it possible for smalltime developers to make actal money, and we praised them for it. Ccp does pretty much the same thing for 3rd party programmers for eve and we just poop all over it. Explain your work.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Ayieka
Steam makes it possible for smalltime developers to make actal money, and we praised them for it. Ccp does pretty much the same thing for 3rd party programmers for eve and we just poop all over it. Explain your work.
It would have to be remotely the same thing for you to have a valid question.
Hint: there is no comparison here.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:40:00 -
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Really? Did Steam say to its customers "you have to pay us to be able to recoup the cost of a free service you provide"? Doesn't sound like them.
That is what CCP is doing, thoughà
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Zamiq
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ayieka
Steam makes it possible for smalltime developers to make actal money, and we praised them for it. Ccp does pretty much the same thing for 3rd party programmers for eve and we just poop all over it. Explain your work.
Except Steam provides a method of distribution where the was none. They provided a cheap platform that connected indy developers and less known studios with target audiences. That is why they get praised. CCP is introducing a fee on a system that is already functioning. 3rd Party app developers spend their time, time that they can spend playing EvE, on the apps. In many cases they don't ask for monetary reimbursement but rather for in-game ISK donation. Now, they will have to pay a $99 annual fee, just to have the permission to collect the very same donation. Do you see how this is going to impact them? They will need to spend money, or time and effort to recoup that annual fee.
Yes, someone might develop a great app and get a fee for it and the quality of the apps might increase but in the long term the only thing that is going to happen is that the player base will have to shell out more money, either by paying fees or donating ISK. That is why the CCP is not going to get praised, because the platform between 3rd party devs and the players is already there, we dont need any further "connecting". Furthermore, Steam provided a unique system, online distribution. Before Steam that method was unheard of. What is CCP providing here? No new service, no new features. In fact it can be argued that the reason we need 3rd Party Apps is due to the missing functionality in EvE, the apps are filling a hole left by CCP and now they want to charge an annual fee. That is why no one will praise CCP while praising Steam.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:49:00 -
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Impulse > Steam
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:50:00 -
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The only one that i can think of that comes even anywhere near close to this is Garrys mod, Steam gets 50 percent of his profits but they give him full access to the full source instead of just hammer.
Oh wait, CCP isn't giving anything better other then just trying to get their hands on moar money from people trying to offset their site costs with add revs.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 15/06/2011 21:51:10
Originally by: Ayieka
Steam makes it possible for smalltime developers to make actal money, and we praised them for it. Ccp does pretty much the same thing for 3rd party programmers for eve and we just poop all over it. Explain your work.
1) CCP isnt making it possible for small devs to make MONEY. they are charging them money to make isk from their sites.
2) People praised steam for something? lol I do my best to avoid buying anything on steam when i can. Its utterly stupid to have all your games tied into one login. This is literally worse then using the same password for all your sites. Its great for steam though, when your account is hacked. You need to re-buy all your games.
3) Steam is bloatware that takes longer to load then any of the games available on steam.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:51:00 -
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Steam also provides download services to free mods that are ad and donation supported.
Thread = Fail
Please close.
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Patch Gatsby
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:53:00 -
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CCP owns the Eve IP. It's how they make money. Other companies would just unleash the lawyers on all the 3rd party stuff. All those people would get cease and desist letters and some would probably get sued. Then CCP would offer their own sites at extra cost. Instead CCP has basically offered to let these 3rd parties go into business with them. It doesn't mean that you will have to pay for the stuff. Some will be free and supported by ad revenue just like other free web stuff. Some will ask you to pay, but you only have to if it is worth it. Wouldn't it be nice if any of the agent sites were up to date for the new rules. Well if someone was making a little $$$ off the site they would probably have the motivation to get it up to date. CCP has created a business opportunity for everyone in the Eve community. Anytime there is even the hint that we might, MIGHT, have to pay a little more everyone freaks. I for one can think of very few entertainment options which give me the hours of fun I have with Eve for $14.99 a month. If I spent those hours in the bar, that would break me!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Patch Gatsby
Some will be free and supported by ad revenue just like other free web stuff.
That's just it: the ad supported model just got shot in the face (and left with the bill for the bullets).
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Patch Gatsby
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Patch Gatsby on 15/06/2011 22:05:10
To explain further what many posters seem to be missing is that by paying CCP the licensing fee, the dev is buying the right to make money off of the Eve IP legally. One of the reasons the current content is free is because charging for it puts a dev in legal limbo. That makes it very hard to have a business based on it. Pay CCP $99 a year (a bargin in my book) to license the rights and you are a real business. You could get a loan with a legally sound business plan, you could go to investors, you could develop apps that won't get pulled when they find out you don't have the rights. This is a big opportunity for those who want to take it.
Response- This doesn't kill the ad revenue model. Pay the $99 out of the ad money, the rest is profit.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 15/06/2011 22:05:05
Originally by: Patch Gatsby
CCP owns the Eve IP. It's how they make money. Other companies would just unleash the lawyers on all the 3rd party stuff. All those people would get cease and desist letters and some would probably get sued. Then CCP would offer their own sites at extra cost. Instead CCP has basically offered to let these 3rd parties go into business with them. It doesn't mean that you will have to pay for the stuff. Some will be free and supported by ad revenue just like other free web stuff. Some will ask you to pay, but you only have to if it is worth it. Wouldn't it be nice if any of the agent sites were up to date for the new rules. Well if someone was making a little $$$ off the site they would probably have the motivation to get it up to date. CCP has created a business opportunity for everyone in the Eve community. Anytime there is even the hint that we might, MIGHT, have to pay a little more everyone freaks. I for one can think of very few entertainment options which give me the hours of fun I have with Eve for $14.99 a month. If I spent those hours in the bar, that would break me!
Wrong. Other developers allow their players to make 3rd party apps freely. Look at Tribes and Tirbes2, allowed nearly full client-side scripting.
World of Warcraft, allows third party plugins that also directly modify and add to the game's UI
Every game developer in the planet has always allowed players to create their own websites and ****. As far back as Duke Nukem's custom skins, and Quake's custom models.
There has never been a game developer that i know of yet who's charged their customers for the customer's work that benifits the whole game community... untill CCP anyway.
And where is this 'business oppertunity' exactly? They said that you STIL CANT MAKE REAL MONEY from your 3rd party stuff.... You just have to pay 100 bucks a year in order to accept ISK in exchange for your services (such as killboards).
In effect, you are paying CCP in order to improve their community. If anyone is getting paid, it should be the person developing the 3rd party program... not CCP.
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:09:00 -
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People also need to remember that ccp isn't forcing these developers to make people pay for their apps and such.
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1OfMany
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Patch Gatsby
To explain further what many posters seem to be missing is that by paying CCP the licensing fee, the dev is buying the right to make money off of the Eve IP legally. One of the reasons the current content is free is because charging for it puts a dev in legal limbo. That makes it very hard to have a business based on it. Pay CCP $99 a year (a bargin in my book) to license the rights and you are a real business. You could get a loan with a legally sound business plan, you could go to investors, you could develope apps that won't get pulled when they find out you don't have the rights. This is a big opportunity for those who want to take it.
Oh my god Patch Gatsby, you really are a CCP alt aint ya..... defending the mother company and their greedy little plans to make developers pay for using their ingenuity and skills to enrich the EVE universum ....
I wonder how much addons would dissapear if blizzard was going to charge creators of addons like Omen, DBM etc to become ' legit'
I use EHQ for out of game planning of skill training and bp management, but if that tool dissapears due to the greed CCP displays, also taking into consideration the buying of ships for dollars, im a goner from EVE as soon as the subscription ends for all my accounts.
BF3 MP , or that new starwars MMO will be out around the time my subs expire..... give me a reason to switch over CCP....
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:14:00 -
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Evemon, Evehq etc will be uneffected. The new rules apply to people who ask for isk in exchange for their program/service.
For example. eve-kill.net will need to pay 100 dollars a year if they want to continue charging players isk for their killboards. Same with battleclinic.
Other people who provide TS3, forums, webhosting or anything, in exchange for isk, will be forced to pay 100 dollars.
Being licenced does not mean they can charge MONEY for these services... that is still banned.
This only allows you to collect isk in exchange for your service. Even though you are not seeing a penny in actual real money from your service... they still want a cut.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:18:00 -
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Maybe CCP should make EVE playable without relying on these 3rd party tools before trying to kill them.
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Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: 1OfMany
Originally by: Patch Gatsby
To explain further what many posters seem to be missing is that by paying CCP the licensing fee, the dev is buying the right to make money off of the Eve IP legally. One of the reasons the current content is free is because charging for it puts a dev in legal limbo. That makes it very hard to have a business based on it. Pay CCP $99 a year (a bargin in my book) to license the rights and you are a real business. You could get a loan with a legally sound business plan, you could go to investors, you could develope apps that won't get pulled when they find out you don't have the rights. This is a big opportunity for those who want to take it.
Oh my god Patch Gatsby, you really are a CCP alt aint ya..... defending the mother company and their greedy little plans to make developers pay for using their ingenuity and skills to enrich the EVE universum ....
I wonder how much addons would dissapear if blizzard was going to charge creators of addons like Omen, DBM etc to become ' legit'
I use EHQ for out of game planning of skill training and bp management, but if that tool dissapears due to the greed CCP displays, also taking into consideration the buying of ships for dollars, im a goner from EVE as soon as the subscription ends for all my accounts.
BF3 MP , or that new starwars MMO will be out around the time my subs expire..... give me a reason to switch over CCP....
I'm not quite sure how this is greedy. All these threads bashing CCP, but CCP has given us a free license. Up til now nobody could charge for their apps, and it was a vague area without definition. If you don't want to charge for a service or product, don't charge for it. CCP isn't really making much off the $99 licensing fee - that's quite a small investment.
Aside from the $99 annual license for those that offer PAID apps, I fail to see how CCP is actually charging anyone anything. Not only is it fair, it's far cheaper than other licenses. Just look at Apple's $99 fee + 25% off the top, and Unreal Engine's $99 fee + another 10% off the top.
Eve has what - 300,000 subscribers once you take away alts. If you sell to only 100,000 people an app for $1.50, you make more than enough to cover Apple's 25% skim + $99 CCP licensing fee. Think about this - CCP has every right to charge royalties, and they aren't. 
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Patch Gatsby
Response- This doesn't kill the ad revenue model. Pay the $99 out of the ad money, the rest is profit.
Since the ad revenue is only meant to somewhat offset the cost of hosting the free service (and in most cases, it probably won't even do that, much less create any net profit), there is nothing to pay that $99 out ofà
So yes, it does in fact shoot the ad model in the face and leave the victim with the bill for the bullets.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Maybe CCP should make EVE playable without relying on these 3rd party tools before trying to kill them.
/amen
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JeanPant Man
Knights of Kador
The Black Armada
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:21:00 -
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Just dont ask for donations or dont charge for the service.
I must be a genius to have figured that one out.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Luc
Up til now nobody could charge for their apps
read the dev blog.
You STILL CAN NOT CHARGE MONEY FOR YOUR SERVICES. It is STILL AGAINST THE EULA.
The licencing only allows you to charge ISK for your service... and you have to pay 100 dollars to do that now.
Before today, you were 100% allowed to. They decided to monetize the community's work... for themselves.
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Patch Gatsby
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Patch Gatsby on 15/06/2011 22:21:59
You need to read the dev blog again. It says that a paid license is only required for things that want to charge. There is a free license for not-for-profit freeware projects. How is this so wrong?
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Mistress Lilu
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Really? Did Steam say to its customers "you have to pay us to be able to recoup the cost of a free service you provide"? Doesn't sound like them.
That is what CCP is doing, thoughà
I swear Tippia works for the CCP. All this person does is put negative remarks on everyones posts, supporting CCP..
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Skymarshall GoofyGrpe
54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Patch Gatsby
Edited by: Patch Gatsby on 15/06/2011 22:05:10
To explain further what many posters seem to be missing is that by paying CCP the licensing fee, the dev is buying the right to make money off of the Eve IP legally. One of the reasons the current content is free is because charging for it puts a dev in legal limbo. That makes it very hard to have a business based on it. Pay CCP $99 a year (a bargin in my book) to license the rights and you are a real business. You could get a loan with a legally sound business plan, you could go to investors, you could develop apps that won't get pulled when they find out you don't have the rights. This is a big opportunity for those who want to take it.
Response- This doesn't kill the ad revenue model. Pay the $99 out of the ad money, the rest is profit.
CCP WhiteKnight Alt detected, diaf.
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Patch Gatsby
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:26:00 -
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Here is the quote from the Dev Blog-
òOpen-ended - You can charge subscription fees, receive donations, sell your app in an app-store and more
òNon-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license
That sure sounds like you can charge real money to me, and states very plainly that there is a free license option.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Lilu
Originally by: Tippia
Really? Did Steam say to its customers "you have to pay us to be able to recoup the cost of a free service you provide"? Doesn't sound like them.
That is what CCP is doing, thoughà
I swear Tippia works for the CCP. All this person does is put negative remarks on everyones posts, supporting CCP..
Ehm. Try reading?
I'm not so subtly calling CCP idiots here (and in quite a few other threads this week), and you think I'm supporting them?
Are you completely ******ed or have you simply had some less successful brain surgery? 
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Patch Gatsby
Edited by: Patch Gatsby on 15/06/2011 22:21:59
You need to read the dev blog again. It says that a paid license is only required for things that want to charge. There is a free license for not-for-profit freeware projects. How is this so wrong?
Alright, the problem is simple.
DONATION sites and AD-sponsored "FREE" software is NOT POSSIBLE.
YOU MUST PAY.
So there is no FREE ware anymore, there is "I pay for everything" software with no way to offset the hosting/development costs - even if you give it up for free.
SO no, the developer is now forced to pay $100 to CCP, whether they took donations, or put up ads - OR to pay for hosting and bandwidth on their own WITHOUT ANY COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
So CCP is cutting off developers from their communities.
Period. End of story, that is the bottom line that is not written at the end of that blog.
CCP CUTS OFF FREEWARE DEVS FROM COMMUNITY AT COST OF $100.
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Patch Gatsby
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:31:00 -
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I wish I worked for CCP, but I do work, and when someone makes money off of an IP I developed I expect to be compensated. If it was your work, wouldn't you?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Lilu
Originally by: Tippia
Really? Did Steam say to its customers "you have to pay us to be able to recoup the cost of a free service you provide"? Doesn't sound like them.
That is what CCP is doing, thoughà
I swear Tippia works for the CCP. All this person does is put negative remarks on everyones posts, supporting CCP..
If by supporting ccp you mean bashing them
and if by putting negitive remarks on everyones post, you mena she is being negitive to the op who is Pro CCP
and if you mean the exact oppitisite of what you postedd...
Then yes.
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Postumius Aculeo
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:35:00 -
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Wow...mass reading comprehension fail!
If they don't want to charge, they don't have to buy a license - so all those free apps can stay free if the developers choose.
You can't supply IN-GAME SERVICES for money, but accepting donations, service fees, in-game currency, or any other compensation for third-party software that doesn't violate EULA or ToS is OKAY if you buy a license. All of you who are inventing the "only charge ISK" need to read it again, slowly this time.
Can we actually try reading and making sure we understand before we start spewing venom at CCP? They've just done something Blizzard hasn't, and offered to let players and software developers piggyback on their intellectual property, and you are flaming them for it!
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Patch Gatsby
Here is the quote from the Dev Blog-
òOpen-ended - You can charge subscription fees, receive donations, sell your app in an app-store and more
òNon-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license
That sure sounds like you can charge real money to me, and states very plainly that there is a free license option.
You're assuming that they mean 'charge' for 'money'. They mean 'charge for isk'.
READ THE DEVBLOG.
Quote:
Will I be able to charge real life currency for in game services?
No, the commercial license does not allow you to charge real life money for any in-game services.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:37:00 -
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They sure are getting more greedy by the day.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 15/06/2011 22:40:03
Originally by: Postumius Aculeo
If they don't want to charge, they don't have to buy a license - so all those free apps can stay free if the developers choose.
àbut if they don't want to charge and want to use, say, ads to offset the cost of hosting their software, they do have to buy a license.
If you are really anal about it, corps are no longer allowed to have websites without paying a license ù they get taxes, after all, and this constitutes an ISK donation, for which a commercial license is needed.
Quote:
Can we actually try reading and making sure we understand before we start spewing venom
Yes, you really should.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:41:00 -
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Steam wouldnt charge a game site for simply making a forum with The Steam logo in the header.
CCP plans to.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:49:00 -
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NOT to mention the slap in the face to "ISK based" services.
Now, you can't run a website that offers ISK based services anymore, or you have to pay $100.
GOODBYE PLAYER MADE CONTENT.
So, now you get to pay for a subscription to EVE to only do 3 things.
Mission Run, Mine, or PVP. There is no other content available to EVE anymore.
There is ABSOLUTELY no comparison to Steam here.
Let me list some of the community sites affected by this...
http://www.eohpoker.com/
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/
http://www2.phaserinc.com/
http://noir.pinacoderm.com/phpBB3/
http://wiki.eve-id.net/Main_Page
http://www.eve-bb.com/
http://www.evehq.net/
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Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:50:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Jim Luc
Up til now nobody could charge for their apps
read the dev blog.
You STILL CAN NOT CHARGE MONEY FOR YOUR SERVICES. It is STILL AGAINST THE EULA.
The licencing only allows you to charge ISK for your service... and you have to pay 100 dollars to do that now.
Before today, you were 100% allowed to. They decided to monetize the community's work... for themselves.
I don't think you read my post. Up till now you COULD NOT charge for your app. People might've done it, but it was definitely against their EULA.
Now, you can still have a free app, you just need to sign their free agreement which clearly lays out what is covered in the free agreement, and what is not. How hard is this to understand??? They always say Eve players are uber intelligent, but I'm starting to think otherwise here...
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 15/06/2011 22:56:09
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 15/06/2011 22:52:34
Originally by: Postumius Aculeo
Wow...mass reading comprehension fail!
If they don't want to charge, they don't have to buy a license - so all those free apps can stay free if the developers choose.
You can't supply IN-GAME SERVICES for money, but accepting donations, service fees, in-game currency, or any other compensation for third-party software that doesn't violate EULA or ToS is OKAY if you buy a license. All of you who are inventing the "only charge ISK" need to read it again, slowly this time.
Can we actually try reading and making sure we understand before we start spewing venom at CCP? They've just done something Blizzard hasn't, and offered to let players and software developers piggyback on their intellectual property, and you are flaming them for it!
WRONG.
You run a 3rd party website the sells IN-GAME SERVICES for ISK you will have to pay for a commercial license.
Quote:
Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license? Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.
Let's read that again.
Quote:
Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license? Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.
And the follow up.
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2) Regarding this clause: Q: Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license? A: Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license. I've spoken to Biz Dev and this is something that might be revised, possibly to exclude ISK payments. I'll let you know as soon as I know more.
That means ANY in-game SERVICE that has a WEBSITE will get charge $100 FOR TRADING IN ISK.
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Postumius Aculeo
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 15/06/2011 22:40:03
Originally by: Postumius Aculeo
If they don't want to charge, they don't have to buy a license - so all those free apps can stay free if the developers choose.
àbut if they don't want to charge and want to use, say, ads to offset the cost of hosting their software, they do have to buy a license.
Yes. And if the ads don't make enough to offset the cost of the license and development, charging another $5 per person fee will do the trick if they get more than 20 people per year to use their stuff.
Originally by: Tippia
If you are really anal about it, corps are no longer allowed to have websites without paying a license ù they get taxes, after all, and this constitutes an ISK donation, for which a commercial license is needed.
Entirely too anal. I'm pretty sure the license covers 3RD PARTY development, NOT in-game mechanics. It's all right there, if you read carefully.
Originally by: Tippia
Quote:
Can we actually try reading and making sure we understand before we start spewing venom
Yes, you really should.
I did. Seems a lot of others aren't.
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Postumius Aculeo
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Patch Gatsby
Here is the quote from the Dev Blog-
òOpen-ended - You can charge subscription fees, receive donations, sell your app in an app-store and more
òNon-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license
That sure sounds like you can charge real money to me, and states very plainly that there is a free license option.
You're assuming that they mean 'charge' for 'money'. They mean 'charge for isk'.
READ THE DEVBLOG.
Quote:
Will I be able to charge real life currency for in game services?
No, the commercial license does not allow you to charge real life money for any in-game services.
Apparently you missed the part that says IN GAME SERVICES. I bolded it for you. My read is that such things as EveMon wouldn't be considered in-game services, and thus real money could be charged. I'd like to see CCP clarify this.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:57:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Postumius Aculeo
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 15/06/2011 22:40:03 Quote:
Can we actually try reading and making sure we understand before we start spewing venom
Yes, you really should.
I did. Seems a lot of others aren't.
No, it seems you are not reading.
Quote:
2) Regarding this clause: Q: Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license? A: Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license. I've spoken to Biz Dev and this is something that might be revised, possibly to exclude ISK payments. I'll let you know as soon as I know more.
That means ANY in-game SERVICE that has a WEBSITE will get charge $100 FOR TRADING IN ISK.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:01:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Jim Luc
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Jim Luc
Up til now nobody could charge for their apps
read the dev blog.
You STILL CAN NOT CHARGE MONEY FOR YOUR SERVICES. It is STILL AGAINST THE EULA.
The licencing only allows you to charge ISK for your service... and you have to pay 100 dollars to do that now.
Before today, you were 100% allowed to. They decided to monetize the community's work... for themselves.
I don't think you read my post. Up till now you COULD NOT charge for your app. People might've done it, but it was definitely against their EULA.
Now, you can still have a free app, you just need to sign their free agreement which clearly lays out what is covered in the free agreement, and what is not. How hard is this to understand??? They always say Eve players are uber intelligent, but I'm starting to think otherwise here...
Alright, the problem is simple.
DONATION sites and AD-sponsored "FREE" software is NOT POSSIBLE.
YOU MUST PAY.
So there is no FREE ware anymore, there is "I pay for everything" software with no way to offset the hosting/development costs - even if you give it up for free.
SO no, the developer is now forced to pay $100 to CCP, whether they took donations, or put up ads - OR to pay for hosting and bandwidth on their own WITHOUT ANY COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
So CCP is cutting off developers from their communities.
Period. End of story, that is the bottom line that is not written at the end of that blog.
CCP CUTS OFF FREEWARE DEVS FROM COMMUNITY AT COST OF $100.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:02:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Postumius Aculeo
Yes. And if the ads don't make enough to offset the cost of the license and development, charging another $5 per person fee will do the trick if they get more than 20 people per year to use their stuff.
àin other words, they can't actually develop for free any more. You can no longer "not want to charge" and your claim that "if they don't want to charge, they don't have to buy a license" becomes entirely contingent on things that are out of your control.
Quote:
Entirely too anal. I'm pretty sure the license covers 3RD PARTY development, NOT in-game mechanics. It's all right there, if you read carefully.
No. ISK donations (an in-game mechanic) is already in there and requires a license.
Quote:
I did. Seems a lot of others aren't.
You did it poorly then.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:07:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Bloodpetal
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 15/06/2011 22:57:20
Originally by: Postumius Aculeo
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 15/06/2011 22:40:03 Quote:
Can we actually try reading and making sure we understand before we start spewing venom
Yes, you really should.
I did. Seems a lot of others aren't.
No, it seems you are not reading.
Quote:
2) Regarding this clause: Q: Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license? A: Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license. I've spoken to Biz Dev and this is something that might be revised, possibly to exclude ISK payments. I'll let you know as soon as I know more.
That means ANY in-game SERVICE that has a WEBSITE will get charge $100 FOR TRADING IN ISK.
In-game services that you charge ISK for I'm not sure is what they're talking about here, but rather apps or websites that like Eve-Central that require ISK or ask for ISK donations. I could be wrong however.
Even so - I am not sure why this is such a big deal. So you charge ISK for something in-game, and they charge you $100 per year, how is this a big deal?? $100 doesn't even cover the cost of a nice dinner for two, and you want free advertising for something you can turn around and purchase PLEX and resell for $35 each? You can easily make up that $100 per year by selling 4 PLEX that you purchased with ISK earned from your services.
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:11:00 -
[44]
For all those going ape-**** about this, Read the dev blog closer.
Quote:
Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:16:00 -
[45]
Originally by: N'tek alar
For all those going ape-**** about this, Read the dev blog closer. Quote:
Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license
No, you don't have to pay unless you're charging for it or asking for donations.
Funnily enough, that's not the part people are "going ape-****" about. The problem is that that particular exception will almost never come into playà
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Postumius Aculeo
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:18:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Postumius Aculeo on 15/06/2011 23:18:16
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Postumius Aculeo
Yes. And if the ads don't make enough to offset the cost of the license and development, charging another $5 per person fee will do the trick if they get more than 20 people per year to use their stuff.
àin other words, they can't actually develop for free any more. You can no longer "not want to charge" and your claim that "if they don't want to charge, they don't have to buy a license" becomes entirely contingent on things that are out of your control.
What is out of your control?? If you want to develop and host a 3rd party app and aren't worried about compensation, no $99 dollar license needed. If you want to get paid for your time, now you'll be able to charge formally and legally. In the former case, if some kind soul wants to contant you via email and set up a donation anyway, I'm pretty sure CCP won't know.
Originally by: Tippia
Quote:
Entirely too anal. I'm pretty sure the license covers 3RD PARTY development, NOT in-game mechanics. It's all right there, if you read carefully.
No. ISK donations (an in-game mechanic) is already in there and requires a license.
What part of '3rd party development' are you missing? In what way is a corp/alliance accepting taxes '3rd party development'? You could check with CCP, but I'm pretty sure just talking about an in-game transaction on an out-of-game forum doesn't constitute '3rd party development'. Ask them to clarify. My guess is, that is why they are thinking of pulling isk-payment out of the $99 license, so there can be no mistake as to their intentions. Ask them, before you support another gloom-and-doom pronouncement.
Originally by: Tippia
Quote:
I did. Seems a lot of others aren't.
You did it poorly then.
I think not.
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Mocam
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:20:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Patch Gatsby
Here is the quote from the Dev Blog-
òOpen-ended - You can charge subscription fees, receive donations, sell your app in an app-store and more
òNon-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license
That sure sounds like you can charge real money to me, and states very plainly that there is a free license option.
You're assuming that they mean 'charge' for 'money'. They mean 'charge for isk'.
READ THE DEVBLOG.
Quote:
Will I be able to charge real life currency for in game services?
No, the commercial license does not allow you to charge real life money for any in-game services.
I read the blog and it draws frowns.
EVEMon and EveHQ are hosted on battleclinic.
Both are "free" yet both are hosted on a site that has advertising. As such, the developers may be held to pay $99 a year each to offer those applications - DUE to the hosting of advertising on the battleclinic site.
If a developer offers his application with a note there saying "donations welcome, please feel free to send isk to <insert char name>" - that requires a $99 fee due to their allowing players to donate to them. No "fee" charged.
- I have no problems with them charging KB operators and the like for charging isk for their services.
- I *DO* have a problem with any site that has adverts to pay for the board hosting, which implement the API, being considered as "commercial" as well as the "donations" portion being included the way it is.
Hell, about *ANY* site that offers "free downloads" has advertising on it in one way or another and this will make all but the "I own my own server" types qualify as commercial.
That's ****-poor form on CCP's part and they should address/reword it.
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:22:00 -
[48]
Edited by: N''tek alar on 15/06/2011 23:24:02
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: N'tek alar
For all those going ape-**** about this, Read the dev blog closer. Quote:
Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license
No, you don't have to pay unless you're charging for it or asking for donations.
Funnily enough, that's not the part people are "going ape-****" about. The problem is that that particular exception will almost never come into playà
How so? If you don't use ads, don't ask for donations, Don't charge for the service/app/site and don't try to gain any iskies/cash from it you don't have to pay according to what the dev blog says, So how is it that you can say that that exception will almost never come into play?
I do think that people using ads and donations to support keeping their site up/pay for bandwidth etc probably should be exempt as well as a lot of them are doing a lot of good for CCP and the EVE community as a whole, But it sounds to me like you're exaggerating a bit here, Or at least making an assumption that so far doesn't have anything to base it on. |
cyclobs
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:23:00 -
[49]
wait wait wait wait...
does this mean mercs (like PL) will now have to PAY CCP $100 to offer their services in game?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:27:00 -
[50]
Originally by: N'tek alar
How so? If you don't use ads, don't ask for donations, Don't charge for the service/app/site and don't try to gain any iskies/cash from it you don't have to pay according to what the dev blog says, So how is it that you can say that that exception will almost never come into play?
Because most people put ads on their sites to pay for the hosting. And note the obscenity that his has nothing to do with the software: if the site has ads to support the site, then the software needs to be licensed as it is currently written.
Quote:
I do think that asking people using ads and donations to support keeping their site up/pay for bandwidth etc probably should be exempt as well as a lot of them are doing a lot of good for CCP and the EVE community as a whole, But it sounds to me like you're exaggerating a bit here, Or at least making an assumption that so far doesn't have anything to base it on.
And that is the problem: they are not exempt.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:31:00 -
[51]
Edited by: N''tek alar on 15/06/2011 23:32:40
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: N'tek alar
How so? If you don't use ads, don't ask for donations, Don't charge for the service/app/site and don't try to gain any iskies/cash from it you don't have to pay according to what the dev blog says, So how is it that you can say that that exception will almost never come into play?
Because most people put ads on their sites to pay for the hosting. And note the obscenity that his has nothing to do with the software: if the site has ads to support the site, then the software needs to be licensed as it is currently written.
Quote:
I do think that asking people using ads and donations to support keeping their site up/pay for bandwidth etc probably should be exempt as well as a lot of them are doing a lot of good for CCP and the EVE community as a whole, But it sounds to me like you're exaggerating a bit here, Or at least making an assumption that so far doesn't have anything to base it on.
And that is the problem: they are not exempt.
I know they aren't according to the dev blog, I agree they should be, I do NOT agree that that there's a need to go nuts about it until we know the exact terms for getting a non-commercial license.
If they go on to finalize it with these demands in place, With no other exceptions than the ones mentioned in the dev blog, Then yes, Bad move, But until then i see no reason to panic. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:37:00 -
[52]
Originally by: N'tek alar
I know they aren't according to the dev blog, I agree they should be, I do NOT agree that that there's a need to go nuts about it until we know the exact terms for getting a non-commercial license.
If they go on to finalize it with these demands in place, With no other exceptions than the ones mentioned in the dev blog, Then yes, Bad move, But until then i see no reason to panic.
Fair enough. It's just that over the years, "going nuts" has repeatedly proven to be the one way to get the point acrossà
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:40:00 -
[53]
I dont recall praising steam over anything so WTF are you talking about?
You are comparing apples and oranges.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.16 00:09:00 -
[54]
Quote:
No, you don't have to pay unless you're charging for it or asking for donations
Holy Einstein, imagine you just finished your free and open source app.
You just want to make it available and get your oh-so-free license right?
Too bad, 99.9% of the free hosts HAVE ads and you can't do anything. Even Google, Sourceforge, everywhere there's ads. So you WILL have to pay $99.
Of you can pay:
- domain name
- 1 year of virtual hosting
- 1 certificate in case your work requires some security for the users.
- Someone to install all the weblog or whatever you use. Or spend days doing it yourself (which have a value).
This easily make for a good penny. So I can pay 100-200 euros in my new zero ads server
OR
pay $99 to CCP to put all on a free-yet-ads-ridden website.
NO WAY TO ESCAPE. THE 3rd freeware developer is FU*ED.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
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Posted - 2011.06.16 01:40:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 15/06/2011 22:05:05
Originally by: Patch Gatsby
CCP owns the Eve IP. It's how they make money. Other companies would just unleash the lawyers on all the 3rd party stuff. All those people would get cease and desist letters and some would probably get sued. Then CCP would offer their own sites at extra cost. Instead CCP has basically offered to let these 3rd parties go into business with them. It doesn't mean that you will have to pay for the stuff. Some will be free and supported by ad revenue just like other free web stuff. Some will ask you to pay, but you only have to if it is worth it. Wouldn't it be nice if any of the agent sites were up to date for the new rules. Well if someone was making a little $$$ off the site they would probably have the motivation to get it up to date. CCP has created a business opportunity for everyone in the Eve community. Anytime there is even the hint that we might, MIGHT, have to pay a little more everyone freaks. I for one can think of very few entertainment options which give me the hours of fun I have with Eve for $14.99 a month. If I spent those hours in the bar, that would break me!
Wrong. Other developers allow their players to make 3rd party apps freely. Look at Tribes and Tirbes2, allowed nearly full client-side scripting.
World of Warcraft, allows third party plugins that also directly modify and add to the game's UI
Every game developer in the planet has always allowed players to create their own websites and ****. As far back as Duke Nukem's custom skins, and Quake's custom models.
There has never been a game developer that i know of yet who's charged their customers for the customer's work that benifits the whole game community... untill CCP anyway.
And where is this 'business oppertunity' exactly? They said that you STIL CANT MAKE REAL MONEY from your 3rd party stuff.... You just have to pay 100 bucks a year in order to accept ISK in exchange for your services (such as killboards).
In effect, you are paying CCP in order to improve their community. If anyone is getting paid, it should be the person developing the 3rd party program... not CCP.
sodding forum times outs...
Your seem to be misunderstanding teh dev blog, evemon, EFT while API driven external software is nopt a ingame service. So by my reading of it yes you can charge real money for it. You can't however charge money for for instance for a hauling run (a actual in game action).
The only thing that is a bit of a dissconect is if a mec corp has a private webpage with their prices for serices on it.
As for download sites some clrification on if its for instnce just a dowload link on some like sourceforge or a actual fully eve based website.
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da go
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Posted - 2011.06.16 02:10:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Jim Luc
Up til now nobody could charge for their apps
read the dev blog.
You STILL CAN NOT CHARGE MONEY FOR YOUR SERVICES. It is STILL AGAINST THE EULA.
You should read it. They are doing this EXACTLY for that reason: allow developers to charge real money.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.16 02:31:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ayieka
Steam makes it possible for smalltime developers to make actal money, and we praised them for it. Ccp does pretty much the same thing for 3rd party programmers for eve and we just poop all over it. Explain your work.
It's not about developers that charge for their apps - it's about "Like this app/service? Then donate some ISK" crowd. You know... like Dotlan.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.16 02:39:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Ayieka
People also need to remember that ccp isn't forcing these developers to make people pay for their apps and such.
Are you braindead or just plain stupid?
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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 02:40:00 -
[59]
Steam is a platform that sells games. That's it.
You don't pay a monthly fee to operate Steam.
EVE is a game you pay to play, it isn't a platform to sell other things.
Wtf am I reading.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 02:49:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Ayieka
People also need to remember that ccp isn't forcing these developers to make people pay for their apps and such.
Seriously now.
You are a regular EVEMon user, and suddenly EVEMon wants to charge you for using their app. Would you pay?
**** NO!!!
Why should I pay for something I used to get for free. I'll write my own goddamn personal app.
Another example:
An agent finder site. I'm supposed to pay to access it? Why? CCP recently implemented Agent-finder in Incarna and it functions just like the site.
So why pay for what should be in-game anyway?
Bottom line: NO one is going to pay for any extra accessory outside of EVE itself.
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.06.16 03:55:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Syphon Lodian
Steam is a platform that sells games. That's it.
You don't pay a monthly fee to operate Steam.
EVE is a game you pay to play, it isn't a platform to sell other things.
Wtf am I reading.
i didn't mean the platform that steam is, i meant how steam helped out smalltime developers, i guess in retrospect its kind of a crappy comparison.
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Kara Sharalien
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.16 04:04:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 16/06/2011 04:04:45
Speaking as a developer with an app in the works, this drags me beyond caring. I put time, effort and knowledge into an app that I wish to offer free to the community. I don't even want to make ISK off it, but I damned well can't be ****ed getting a "free licence" from CCP. While the only thing I have to do to make my app work is code it and put it on sorceforge, that's fine. To have to get CCP's permission to do their work for them? "Daddy, can I please make you look good infront of an international audience?"
They can go eat a barrel of dicks, and thats final.
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!
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Taedrin
Gallente
Zero Percent Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.06.16 04:07:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Patch Gatsby
Here is the quote from the Dev Blog-
òOpen-ended - You can charge subscription fees, receive donations, sell your app in an app-store and more
òNon-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license
That sure sounds like you can charge real money to me, and states very plainly that there is a free license option.
You're assuming that they mean 'charge' for 'money'. They mean 'charge for isk'.
READ THE DEVBLOG.
Quote:
Will I be able to charge real life currency for in game services?
No, the commercial license does not allow you to charge real life money for any in-game services.
Read that again.
You can not charge real life currency for an IN-GAME service. THIS MEANS:
1) You can not charge USD for merc contracts
2) You can not charge USD for characters
3) You can not charge USD for "power leveling"
4) You can not charge USD for ISK/items (i.e. RMT is still against the rules)
HOWEVER:
YOu may now charge USD for and OUT-OF-GAME service which utilizes the EVE IP, or API. This means:
1) You can charge USD for kill boards
2) You can charge USD for corp/alliance websites/forums which take advantage of the API
3) You can charge USD for fan fiction/webcomics/works which are derivative of EVE IP
4) You can charge USD for an application which manages and analyzes your assets/ISK/transactions via the EVE API.
If a service requires logging in to the game, you can not charge USD for it.
If a service can be used without logging in to the game, you can charge USD for it.
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"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.16 05:13:00 -
[64]
I find it to be rather a kick in the face to developers that wan't to make something free of charge.
They either have to ask CCP kindly and cover all distribution costs out of their own pocket, or they have to pay CCP $99 a year and try to cover that expense from adds or donations.
This towards people who have helped the community and CCP for years without asking for anything else than a pat on the back. They are providing CCP a free service, and CCP returns this favour by forcing extra expenses upon them.
I certainly wouldn't want to work for free under those terms.
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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 05:21:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 16/06/2011 05:24:46
Originally by: Ayieka
Originally by: Syphon Lodian
Steam is a platform that sells games. That's it.
You don't pay a monthly fee to operate Steam.
EVE is a game you pay to play, it isn't a platform to sell other things.
Wtf am I reading.
i didn't mean the platform that steam is, i meant how steam helped out smalltime developers, i guess in retrospect its kind of a crappy comparison.
I see what you're getting at, honestly. It's just not a fair comparison. You're paying CCP to play a game. With Valve, you can use Steam as you wish, and buy what you want as a free-service. Yes they allow 3rd party developers a platform for sales, but it's like an open-market. With CCP, they're basically asking people to pay money to make products that support CCP directly, i.e. EVEMon and Killboards etc.
It's not a good practice. Considering they went -this- long in going without it, and that coupled with the "Aurum" controversy they're rolling out at the same time, plus the Dust "cash-grab" theories, which is giving a really bad perspective on CCP's future right now.
If they weren't doing Dust, and they weren't doing Aurum, it wouldn't be as controversial I bet. This is what they get, for doing a pile of seen-as-greedy things all at once.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 05:30:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 16/06/2011 05:30:52
Originally by: Tippia
That's just it: the ad supported model just got shot in the face (and left with the bill for the bullets).
Advertising revenue is still revenue. If a site is popular enough to defray some of the costs of hosting through advertising, it's popular enough to make a profit by asking a $1/yr subscription fee. I have suggested a subscription model which would allow people to pay via ISK or real money. Such a model would require a modicum of effort on CCPs part, while simultaneously reducing the cost of collecting revenue for 3PP, increasing exposure to the playerbase, and providing means to pump the PLEX/Aurum market to CCPs benefit.
CCP wants more money, there are folks looking to spend more money, CCP should work to make the money spending as easy as possible.
edit: Incidentally, the "App Store" model I've suggested would be much closer to what Steam is doing than what CCP is presently suggesting.
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.06.16 05:30:00 -
[67]
Yeah, this sudden rush of new ways to spend money on eve is pretty suspicious.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.16 05:30:00 -
[68]
I can see the comparison to Steam in the fact that CCP want to help small developers make a bit of cash.
In practice though I don't see it working, I don't think the market is large enough to make it possible.
I can imagine a few apps that target the whole EvE userbase may be able to recoup the $99, possibly software like skill planners, fitting tools and kill boards. Applications with a smaller audience wouldn't have much chance to break even.
So in the end CCP may empower 2-3 applications, and the rest would be of worse. From the point of view of normal players, we would probably have to pay for 3rd party software that we have so far been able to use for free. Software that really should have been in-game in the first place.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.16 05:49:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Patch Gatsby
Here is the quote from the Dev Blog-
òOpen-ended - You can charge subscription fees, receive donations, sell your app in an app-store and more
òNon-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license
That sure sounds like you can charge real money to me, and states very plainly that there is a free license option.
You're assuming that they mean 'charge' for 'money'. They mean 'charge for isk'.
READ THE DEVBLOG.
Quote:
Will I be able to charge real life currency for in game services?
No, the commercial license does not allow you to charge real life money for any in-game services.
Another great reading coherency fail
Will I be able to charge real life currency for in game services?
No, the commercial license does not allow you to charge real life money for any in-game services.
Will I be able to charge real life currency for in game service : in other word can i charge real life currency for "ships","PLEXes","modules","Mercenary contracts","in-game stuff"
Maybe someone already wrote it i stopped reading, since its unbelievable to see so much fail in one thread.
Anyway if you cant read you can watch "FAN FEST 2011 at youtube CCP chanell".
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.06.16 05:55:00 -
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its hard not to accidentally get the wrong message from that devblog, you practically have to take notes reading it.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.16 05:59:00 -
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the hell tippa stop agreeing whit me!
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.16 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted on 16/06/2011 06:00:55
Originally by: Ayieka
its hard not to accidentally get the wrong message from that devblog, you practically have to take notes reading it.
Fair enough. Glad we came to right conclusion there. I actually had an advantage since i just watched all the videos from FAN FEST, tho when i read first page i come to conclusion they changed something, then someone clarified it. Now we all can be in peace.
Take care.
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