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Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.19 05:00:00 - [31] Somebody who scouts all directions around his camp, and falcon covers himself as well complains about multi-boxing? Oh boy. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.19 06:23:00 - [32] Originally by: N'tek alar [.... How is it a scam exactly? they tell you exactly what you get before you pay up, So how is it a scam? If you really believe they're scamming you you should file a lawsuit as it's illegal. It's not a scam, but your claim is pretty laughable all the same. Judging the reality of Eve from the promo videos is like believing that tele-evangelists are in it for the good of your soul as opposed to the good of their wallets. Also, since the vast majority of Eve players have two accounts or more accounts, CCP would probably be insolvent inside of six months if those same players unsubbed all but one account. I got 99 dollah but the game ain't fun
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Eternal Evocations	Posted - 2011.06.19 06:48:00 - [33] Edited by: Mendolus on 19/06/2011 06:53:12 Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:24:33 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban, make difficult or provide no benefit in multiboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK I have been known to scout 0.0 in two directions at once in cov ops ships, it is really not that difficult to multibox, and the only reason I do it is because I enjoy it. What other MMOs without WASD based twitch programming are there for you to make a valid comparison to EVE, by the way? If you are comparing multiboxing in EVE to games like Warcraft, you have already stepped over basic logic and into wild conjecture and very very loose similarities. --------------------------------- It seems quoting the CSM minutes in your signature is inappropriate content! Hurr hurr.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.19 07:46:00 - [34] :spin2win:
gdjghjhgjfh Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.06.19 07:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Mendolus K What other MMOs without WASD based twitch programming are there for you to make a valid comparison to EVE, by the way? If you are comparing multiboxing in EVE to games like Warcraft, you have already stepped over basic logic and into wild conjecture and very very loose similarities. +1 I mine/build/fight/cloak. i usually mine to get minerals to build so i have stuff to fight with if not i cloak
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:15:00 - [36] I don't ge the Incarna HATE, Incarna is the BEST THING EVER TO HAVE HAPPENED TO EVE! Grouchy players with low spec puters will finally quit , what's so bad about that? It's a total ++++++++++++PLUS in my book. Also, it will finally get rid of "Ship spinning Syndrome" a well known disease rampant amongst EVE's community and playerbase. On top of that, since it will run on a different server layer, most people that IDLE, AFK and just WASTE other's players space in clusters, will be hooked up showing their new clothes in the station bars at Jita, Oursulagaert and Amamake. No matter the angle, INCARNA will be the BEST to have happened to EVE. Only crap coming from it is the Server crash and 2 days downtime when it goes live, but after one or two weeks CCP will probably manage to make it tolerable. Also I dont multibox, wasting so much money on an eve spaceship game to play with yourself is too much, I'd rather spend 15$ extra a month on a diff MMO or a kewl old time gog.com game so I concede that point, it's practically a scam har har har --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:29:00 - [37] It is the Bittervet-Syndrome,a lot of people constantly whining on the forums suffer from it. Basically, they lost interest in EVE a long time ago, they have their supercapitals parked somewhere but cannot login in and play the game for fear of getting ganked and making a lolthread in CAOD, having lost all fun into the game a long time ago, but are still addicted to their character created several years ago and unable to let go. There is no therapy at the moment, but if you want to help this poor people, please make fun of them in every whinethread. At some point they will ragequit, which has a good chance of breaking their addiction and free them from their bittervet-status. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:30:00 - [38] When the OP stands up, a whole beach falls out of his vag.
Mocam	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:59:00 - [39] Edited by: Mocam on 19/06/2011 09:00:28 Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: N'tek alar [.... How is it a scam exactly? they tell you exactly what you get before you pay up, So how is it a scam? If you really believe they're scamming you you should file a lawsuit as it's illegal. It's not a scam, but your claim is pretty laughable all the same. Judging the reality of Eve from the promo videos is like believing that tele-evangelists are in it for the good of your soul as opposed to the good of their wallets. Also, since the vast majority of Eve players have two accounts or more accounts, CCP would probably be insolvent inside of six months if those same players unsubbed all but one account. According to the 2010 stats, 100k plex traded a month. 300k accounts. That is: - 100k accounts using plex to pay for them. (50k GTC's bought to get 100k plex) - 200k users running those accounts. -- 1/3rd of the accounts are plex'd. 2/3rds of the accounts "some other" subscription based payment method used. Granted that info is from the tail end of last year but it doesn't seem to be a "vast majority". If it were a majority, where the hell would all that plex be coming from? 100,000 plex a month is a good quantity - that's $1,500,000 worth of GTC/plex "someone else" is paying for a month.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:00:00 - [40] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab When the OP stands up, a whole beach falls out of his vag. Vagabond?
Cpt Fina Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:09:00 - [41] I love the game enough to pay for two accounts and I know of atleast one other guy that feels the same. And since Zulu didn't say ALL people, but only people û this post alone actually confirms his case so you can all get the ** off his and stop being whiney *es about every thing that the developers say. You whiny ***es I hope you never be the face of this community.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Cpt Fina I love the game enough to pay for two accounts and I know of atleast one other guy that feels the same. And since Zulu didn't say ALL people, but only people û this post alone actually confirms his case so you can all get the ** off his and stop being whiney *es about every thing that the developers say. You whiny ***es I hope you never be the face of this community. Reported for offensive content.
Cpt Fina Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Cpt Fina I love the game enough to pay for two accounts and I know of atleast one other guy that feels the same. And since Zulu didn't say ALL people, but only people û this post alone actually confirms his case so you can all get the ** off his and stop being whiney *es about every thing that the developers say. You whiny ***es I hope you never be the face of this community. Reported for offensive content. And you take first place to be quite honest. All you do is spew bile on every topic and everything that the devs ever say by spamming the forum with the most spiteful and unconstructive piece of crap posts i've ever seen. Reported for being an asshat.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Cpt Fina I love the game enough to pay for two accounts and I know of atleast one other guy that feels the same. And since Zulu didn't say ALL people, but only people û this post alone actually confirms his case so you can all get the ** off his and stop being whiney *es about every thing that the developers say. You whiny ***es I hope you never be the face of this community. Reported for offensive content. And you take first place to be quite honest. All you do is spew bile on every topic and everything that the devs ever say by spamming the forum with the most spiteful and unconstructive piece of crap posts i've ever seen. Reported for being an asshat. It was a pleasure trolling you.
Cpt Fina Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:18:00 - [45] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 19/06/2011 10:19:01 Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Cpt Fina I love the game enough to pay for two accounts and I know of atleast one other guy that feels the same. And since Zulu didn't say ALL people, but only people û this post alone actually confirms his case so you can all get the ** off his and stop being whiney *es about every thing that the developers say. You whiny ***es I hope you never be the face of this community. Reported for offensive content. I hope you are getting treatment for that attention deficit disorder. And you take first place to be quite honest. All you do is spew bile on every topic and everything that the devs ever say by spamming the forum with the most spiteful and unconstructive piece of crap posts i've ever seen. Reported for being an asshat. It was a pleasure trolling you. I hope you are getting treatment for that attention deficit disorder.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Cpt Fina I hope you are getting treatment for that attention deficit disorder. How is it deficit? You're giving me all the attention I crave. There is so much rage in you that you messed up your quote pyramid.
Juliette DuBois	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:40:00 - [47] EVE is set up so that if you want to actually do things you want at least 2 accounts. Starting from gate system which is simply blind jumping from choke point to another, manifacturing, research, missions. PVP alone has multiple roles that need to be on field and there are even ships that cannot dock which means you need a holder character. Anyone with capital ship wants 2 accounts minimum, preferably more so you have more scouts and cyno options available. Supercaps are pretty decent for multiboxing too given slow pace of action on that scale. Basically I`d say EVE is 30-45 dollars per month game more or less. You can play with one but it means lots of downtime unless you have a great corp which can take care of your needs.
Phobos Kashada	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:21:54 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban or make difficult multipboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK This is why they think people have money to burn, that extra cash they want. Because idiots subscribe 2 or sometimes 7 accounts! If everybody only had one account, CCP wouldn't think we had all that surplus cash to scam out of us. What's wrong with 2 accounts? I have a combat character and a miner character. Sure, this could be avoided by allowing the training of skills to be done with the extra alt slots on a single account, but who cares? If a game is good enough, I'll pay 30 bucks a month for it. Isn't exactly pulling me into debt or anything lol
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Phobos Kashada Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:21:54 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban or make difficult multipboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK This is why they think people have money to burn, that extra cash they want. Because idiots subscribe 2 or sometimes 7 accounts! If everybody only had one account, CCP wouldn't think we had all that surplus cash to scam out of us. What's wrong with 2 accounts? I have a combat character and a miner character. Sure, this could be avoided by allowing the training of skills to be done with the extra alt slots on a single account, but who cares? If a game is good enough, I'll pay 30 bucks a month for it. Isn't exactly pulling me into debt or anything lol Good, now go buy me some Incarna Pants and Hats. I will need a steady source of pants to steal.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:32:00 - [50] Edited by: Estephania on 19/06/2011 11:33:00 It is indeed called greed and ppl don't want to depend on others when they can reap all rewards by themselves. Now we are going to the old argument of how alts are necessary in Eve. The fact that many (and probably the majority in 0.0) has them means they are quite necessary if you want the ability to PvP at an acceptable lvl - I mean command ships, HAC's and above all capitals. Some sell PLEX for ISK, but it's virtually the same as paying for another account, just in this case another player's account. Tbh, how popular capitals would be if only one account per player would be possible? How many ppl with one account can easily dish out 2 bill ISK to buy and fit a dread or a carrier, I'm not even talking about supers, which are becoming a must have (and in huge numbers) in alliance warfare. Tbh, Eve is being developed around multiboxing.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Estephania It is indeed called greed and ppl don't want to depend on others when they can reap all rewards by themselves. Now we are going to the old argument of how alts are necessary in Eve. The fact that many (and probably the majority in 0.0) has them means they are quite necessary if you want the ability to PvP at an acceptable lvl - I mean command ships, HAC's and above all capitals. Some sell PLEX for ISK, but it's virtually the same as paying for another account, just in this case another player's account. Tbh, how popular capitals would be if only one account per player would be possible? How many ppl with one account can easily dish out 2 bill ISK to buy and fit a dread or a carrier, I'm not even talking about supers, which are becoming a must have (and in huge numbers) in alliance warfare. Tbh, Eve at one point was being developed around multiboxing. I can, I do, and I have. (at least until my Carrier in Rens was move out :) Thanks GMs :)
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:38:00 - [52] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Estephania It is indeed called greed and ppl don't want to depend on others when they can reap all rewards by themselves. Now we are going to the old argument of how alts are necessary in Eve. The fact that many (and probably the majority in 0.0) has them means they are quite necessary if you want the ability to PvP at an acceptable lvl - I mean command ships, HAC's and above all capitals. Some sell PLEX for ISK, but it's virtually the same as paying for another account, just in this case another player's account. Tbh, how popular capitals would be if only one account per player would be possible? How many ppl with one account can easily dish out 2 bill ISK to buy and fit a dread or a carrier, I'm not even talking about supers, which are becoming a must have (and in huge numbers) in alliance warfare. Tbh, Eve at one point was being developed around multiboxing. I can, I do, and I have. (at least until my Carrier in Rens was move out :) Thanks GMs :) And how fast can you replace one if you lose it? I know ppl that can replace them in droves and none of them has one account. And if we are talking about super-cap pilots, then I guess it's accurate to say that all of them run alts.
Josefine Etrange Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:40:00 - [53] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Estephania It is indeed called greed and ppl don't want to depend on others when they can reap all rewards by themselves. Now we are going to the old argument of how alts are necessary in Eve. The fact that many (and probably the majority in 0.0) has them means they are quite necessary if you want the ability to PvP at an acceptable lvl - I mean command ships, HAC's and above all capitals. Some sell PLEX for ISK, but it's virtually the same as paying for another account, just in this case another player's account. Tbh, how popular capitals would be if only one account per player would be possible? How many ppl with one account can easily dish out 2 bill ISK to buy and fit a dread or a carrier, I'm not even talking about supers, which are becoming a must have (and in huge numbers) in alliance warfare. Tbh, Eve at one point was being developed around multiboxing. I can, I do, and I have. (at least until my Carrier in Rens was move out :) Thanks GMs :) Are you mad sister? (hint, if your posting more than others, it is not you that is successfully trolling others) Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Estephania It is indeed called greed and ppl don't want to depend on others when they can reap all rewards by themselves. Now we are going to the old argument of how alts are necessary in Eve. The fact that many (and probably the majority in 0.0) has them means they are quite necessary if you want the ability to PvP at an acceptable lvl - I mean command ships, HAC's and above all capitals. Some sell PLEX for ISK, but it's virtually the same as paying for another account, just in this case another player's account. Tbh, how popular capitals would be if only one account per player would be possible? How many ppl with one account can easily dish out 2 bill ISK to buy and fit a dread or a carrier, I'm not even talking about supers, which are becoming a must have (and in huge numbers) in alliance warfare. Tbh, Eve at one point was being developed around multiboxing. I can, I do, and I have. (at least until my Carrier in Rens was move out :) Thanks GMs :) And how fast can you replace one if you lose it? I know ppl that can replace them in droves and none of them has one account. And if we are talking about super-cap pilots, then I guess it's accurate to say that all of them run alts. Since I have on average 20 billion in my wallet at any given time, probably quite a few times :)
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:50:00 - [55] Edited by: Estephania on 19/06/2011 11:50:33 To get 20 bill on one acct. you've probably had to win a HAC or CS BPO in the lottery back then so you could build ships at 30-50 mill cost and sell them at 120-180 mill. Or grind 10 hours per day, but it is a no brainer.
Maxpie Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:50:00 - [56] I don't multibox. I don't even use an alt at all. You guys that do are missing out on a better Eve. My character is me. My reputation means something. I don't have any alt to hide behind. It makes some things difficult at times, sure. But it makes the game a whole lot better. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:54:00 - [57] Edited by: Miilla on 19/06/2011 11:54:26 Originally by: Estephania Edited by: Estephania on 19/06/2011 11:50:33 To get 20 bill on one acct. you've probably had to win a HAC or CS BPO in the lottery back then so you could build ships at 30-50 mill cost and sell them at 120-180 mill. Or grind 10 hours per day, but it is a no brainer. Or scam some fools out of 4 plex for 12m :) Sell a few hulk-less contracts Sell some Fleet Tissues. Loot war camps at stations. Manipulate the markets. 10 hour grinds? What idiot does that?
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 19/06/2011 11:54:26 Originally by: Estephania Edited by: Estephania on 19/06/2011 11:50:33 To get 20 bill on one acct. you've probably had to win a HAC or CS BPO in the lottery back then so you could build ships at 30-50 mill cost and sell them at 120-180 mill. Or grind 10 hours per day, but it is a no brainer. Or scam some fools out of 4 plex for 12m :) Sell a few hulk-less contracts Sell some Fleet Tissues. Loot war camps at stations. Manipulate the markets. 10 hour grinds? What idiot does that? I was not referring to scamming (was only talking about "legitimate" ways) :) To manipulate markets you need countless billions as other traders will simply "buy you out" and you'll lose ISK. At least ppl I know who manipulate markets have much more than 20 bill, so not sure it will work, especially if you were in process of making those 20 bill.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:01:00 - [59] Edited by: Miilla on 19/06/2011 12:01:17 Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 19/06/2011 11:54:26 Originally by: Estephania Edited by: Estephania on 19/06/2011 11:50:33 To get 20 bill on one acct. you've probably had to win a HAC or CS BPO in the lottery back then so you could build ships at 30-50 mill cost and sell them at 120-180 mill. Or grind 10 hours per day, but it is a no brainer. Or scam some fools out of 4 plex for 12m :) Sell a few hulk-less contracts Sell some Fleet Tissues. Loot war camps at stations. Manipulate the markets. 10 hour grinds? What idiot does that? I was not referring to scamming (was only talking about "legitimate" ways) :) To manipulate markets you need countless billions as other traders will simply "buy you out" and you'll lose ISK. At least ppl I know who manipulate markets have much more than 20 bill, so not sure it will work, especially if you were in process of making those 20 bill. In Eve, that is legitimate. Acutally if you read the game description of Eve, it is what the core of Eve is about. So if you are just a carebear, you are missing out of the core features of Eve.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Miilla In Eve, that is legitimate. Acutally if you read the game description of Eve, it is what the core of Eve is about. So if you are just a carebear, you are missing out of the core features of Eve. Didn't mean it was bannable or something,and btw I'm very far from being a carebear. I simply prefer "honorable" engagements.

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