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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:24:33 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban, make difficult or provide no benefit in multiboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK (o)
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:24:00 - [2] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:21:54 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban or make difficult multipboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK This is why they think people have money to burn, that extra cash they want. Because idiots subscribe 2 or sometimes 7 accounts! If everybody only had one account, CCP wouldn't think we had all that surplus cash to scam out of us.
N'tek alar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:21:54 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban or make difficult multipboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK This is why they think people have money to burn, that extra cash they want. Because idiots subscribe 2 or sometimes 7 accounts! If everybody only had one account, CCP wouldn't think we had all that surplus cash to scam out of us. How is it a scam exactly? they tell you exactly what you get before you pay up, So how is it a scam? If you really believe they're scamming you you should file a lawsuit as it's illegal.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:32:00 - [4] Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:21:54 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban or make difficult multipboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK This is why they think people have money to burn, that extra cash they want. Because idiots subscribe 2 or sometimes 7 accounts! If everybody only had one account, CCP wouldn't think we had all that surplus cash to scam out of us. How is it a scam exactly? they tell you exactly what you get before you pay up, So how is it a scam? If you really believe they're scamming you you should file a lawsuit as it's illegal. I see no Hulk!
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:37:00 - [5] If I could play all three of my toons at once, i would not have a need for "more EVEs." I just do one account. I dont have money to burn or a "mommy" I can borrow a CC from.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Atticus Fynch If I could play all three of my toons at once, i would not have a need for "more EVEs." I just do one account. I dont have money to burn or a "mommy" I can borrow a CC from. Why cant you multi role one toon? I do. Lots of people do. Its called FUN.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Atticus Fynch If I could play all three of my toons at once, i would not have a need for "more EVEs." I just do one account. I dont have money to burn or a "mommy" I can borrow a CC from. Why cant you multi role one toon? I do. Lots of people do. Its called FUN. I do. All I'm saying is being able to use your other toons at once would be good as well. ie. One would mine, one would haul, and the other would stand guard in low sec. But that feature would take $$$ away from our CCP masters.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:44:00 - [8] Edited by: Miilla on 18/06/2011 22:45:23 Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Atticus Fynch If I could play all three of my toons at once, i would not have a need for "more EVEs." I just do one account. I dont have money to burn or a "mommy" I can borrow a CC from. Why cant you multi role one toon? I do. Lots of people do. Its called FUN. I do. All I'm saying is being able to use your other toons at once would be good as well. ie. One would mine, one would haul, and the other would stand guard in low sec. But that feature would take $$$ away from our CCP masters. That's called GREED. Why don't you Mine one day, haul another, roam lowsec some other day. Or instead of daily, haul for 2 hours, mine for 2 hours, roam low the rest. Or pay a hauler. reprocess your loot
Sarton Wells	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Le Skunk Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban, make difficult or provide no benefit in multiboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK Because all of those things are impossible to do if you have friends in the game, right? And btw which developers ban for having multiple accounts?
Orlacc	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Atticus Fynch If I could play all three of my toons at once, i would not have a need for "more EVEs." I just do one account. I dont have money to burn or a "mommy" I can borrow a CC from. Why cant you multi role one toon? I do. Lots of people do. Its called FUN. I do. All I'm saying is being able to use your other toons at once would be good as well. ie. One would mine, one would haul, and the other would stand guard in low sec. But that feature would take $$$ away from our CCP masters. What MMO lets you play 3 toons at once?? Thats nuts!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:47:00 - [11] The reason you can only have one toon per account active is called FARMING. You can thank the farmers for that.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:47:00 - [12] Don't forget that not only will you want to multi box on your PC, thanks to CCPs awesome 'BizDevs' you too can feel obliged to pay through the nose for DUST on the PS3! Woot! \o/ C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:49:00 - [13] You can't polish a turd but you can dip it in chrome!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:50:00 - [14] Originally by: San Severina You can't polish a turd but you can dip it in chrome! You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.18 22:52:00 - [15] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 18/06/2011 22:52:34 Originally by: Miilla That's called GREED. Why don't you Mine one day, haul another, roam lowsec some other day. Or instead of daily, haul for 2 hours, mine for 2 hours, roam low the rest. Or pay a hauler. reprocess your loot I DO!!!! What do you think because the game limits me I'm just going to bend over and take it? You have to be innovative in EVE or you wont survive. Meanwhile I have 2 alts that sit dormant while one takes the lead. (Although they do cover my research and manufacturing needs...but that's about it.)
Lord Kazuhiro	Posted - 2011.06.18 23:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: San Severina You can't polish a turd but you can dip it in chrome! You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. In a hillbilly accent But she'd look awfully more perty.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.18 23:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Le Skunk Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. I know quite a few crazy miners who beg to differ. Some people see EVE a bit like a strategy game where more = better. Quote: Other developers ban, make difficult or provide no benefit in multiboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" True. So? That's their way to make up for the low number of players. If you have 100k players paying $45 a month it's just as good as 300k players paying $15.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.18 23:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Le Skunk Nobody "wants" to multibox. SKUNK Why I don't fly caps and opted not to be a pirate, just traps. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.18 23:13:00 - [19] Considering the 12 years required to sufficiently train my main, I couldn't imagine training a second character on the same account. Considering the *****fest for multi-skilling the same character, I couldn't imagine doing more than one thing on my main. Considering the fact that everbody has ten alt's with which to do everything I can do, only better, I can't imagine having alts to do other things. Considering the only thing I can do in EVE that will allow me to be helpful without being yet another Indy is PvP, I can't imagine training anything but PvP. Considering all that: Why would I need Alts? Why would I need to Multi-Skill? Why would I want to do anything but train for PvP?
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.06.18 23:17:00 - [20] Edited by: Mr Kidd on 18/06/2011 23:17:40 Originally by: Sarton Wells Because all of those things are impossible to do if you have friends in the game, right? Ya know, there comes a point when you and your corpmates realize there just isn't anything to *cking do without investing another +4 hours to make it happen and another +3 hours to see it through. I've got two accounts plus corpmates and frequently I'm playing an entirely different game in the background waiting for sht to start rolling. I think that's the reason a lot of people multibox.....the shear magnitude of nothing to do in this game. And before you say it....I ask myself frequently exactly that.
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.06.18 23:17:00 - [21] Originally by: San Severina You can't polish a turd but you can dip it in chrome! Sry but you are wrong there, Mythbusters did polish turds, it works. Just takes time, but it still smells like and is ****.
Morphisat Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2011.06.18 23:54:00 - [22] The show is now being run by so called Biz Devs, ie. the Marketing department. We'll get more of this crap in the future .
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.18 23:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Le Skunk Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. SKUNK I multibox all the time, but never feel compelled to do so. Anyone who's multiboxed knows that there can be great risk in multitasking, much more so in pvp, and that the increased risk is the trade off for doing multiple things at once. I dont quite see how dualboxing fits into the whole CCP-just-wants-your-money paranoia. I played for a loooong time with one account, and still mostly play one account at a time. Can you clarify what it is single accounts should be able to do that CCP forces you to add second account for in the name of the almighty evil profit margin?
robbyx	Posted - 2011.06.19 00:21:00 - [24] WOW...just, wow....is volcanic ash a mind altering substance ? This just goes to show that CCP realy dont listen to or give a s**t what its player think.
AJ Yaga	Posted - 2011.06.19 00:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen ... Can you clarify what it is single accounts should be able to do that CCP forces you to add second account for in the name of the almighty evil profit margin? Dock in a SC?
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.19 04:32:00 - [26] Originally by: AJ Yaga Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen ... Can you clarify what it is single accounts should be able to do that CCP forces you to add second account for in the name of the almighty evil profit margin? Dock in a SC? You can park a supercap in a CSMA if you're so inclined.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.19 04:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Le Skunk More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban, make difficult or provide no benefit in multiboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK My thoughts exactly as I was reading that. CCP = Hypocrites Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.06.19 04:46:00 - [28] Sod off, CCP. A lot less people would multibox if it weren't neccessary to keep up with the rat race your bad design choices bring. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Ioci Gallente Space Mermaids	Posted - 2011.06.19 04:52:00 - [29] I multibox. 5 accounts, 15 characters trained in T2 ships of one flavor or another. It isn't because I want an edge, it isnt because I feel compelled to do it by mechenics. Its because the game played with 1 character is like watching grass grow. It's just plain too ****ing boring in the short term
Sucateira	Posted - 2011.06.19 04:54:00 - [30] People want to do everything on their own and then embrace the super lame crap of having more than one account. Every time I read a EVE guide, forum and etcs... I see people saying "This is EVE, you need a Corp, you need to play in team, this is not a game to solo" bla bla bla Then those guys have 2 or 3 or 4 accounts. How about getting someone on your corp to scout? How about other one to haul...and so on. You guys want to maximize profits and reduce losses above all else, so you have multiple accounts. Then call the other people carebears. "You" are a sad carebear cause you need to travel safe and do it alone. All you guys fault... lame crap. Start recruiting people form all sort of prof/min prof in the game. People that like to explore to do your scouts... travel as a team. Get industrial people to haul your stuff. Make bigger corps and you will have enough numbers to play like this. Whatever, do something useful. This multi acc crap is completly lame and gamebreaking for me. Ridiculous :))
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.19 05:00:00 - [31] Somebody who scouts all directions around his camp, and falcon covers himself as well complains about multi-boxing? Oh boy. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.19 06:23:00 - [32] Originally by: N'tek alar [.... How is it a scam exactly? they tell you exactly what you get before you pay up, So how is it a scam? If you really believe they're scamming you you should file a lawsuit as it's illegal. It's not a scam, but your claim is pretty laughable all the same. Judging the reality of Eve from the promo videos is like believing that tele-evangelists are in it for the good of your soul as opposed to the good of their wallets. Also, since the vast majority of Eve players have two accounts or more accounts, CCP would probably be insolvent inside of six months if those same players unsubbed all but one account. I got 99 dollah but the game ain't fun
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Eternal Evocations	Posted - 2011.06.19 06:48:00 - [33] Edited by: Mendolus on 19/06/2011 06:53:12 Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:24:33 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban, make difficult or provide no benefit in multiboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK I have been known to scout 0.0 in two directions at once in cov ops ships, it is really not that difficult to multibox, and the only reason I do it is because I enjoy it. What other MMOs without WASD based twitch programming are there for you to make a valid comparison to EVE, by the way? If you are comparing multiboxing in EVE to games like Warcraft, you have already stepped over basic logic and into wild conjecture and very very loose similarities. --------------------------------- It seems quoting the CSM minutes in your signature is inappropriate content! Hurr hurr.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.19 07:46:00 - [34] :spin2win:
gdjghjhgjfh Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.06.19 07:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Mendolus K What other MMOs without WASD based twitch programming are there for you to make a valid comparison to EVE, by the way? If you are comparing multiboxing in EVE to games like Warcraft, you have already stepped over basic logic and into wild conjecture and very very loose similarities. +1 I mine/build/fight/cloak. i usually mine to get minerals to build so i have stuff to fight with if not i cloak
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:15:00 - [36] I don't ge the Incarna HATE, Incarna is the BEST THING EVER TO HAVE HAPPENED TO EVE! Grouchy players with low spec puters will finally quit , what's so bad about that? It's a total ++++++++++++PLUS in my book. Also, it will finally get rid of "Ship spinning Syndrome" a well known disease rampant amongst EVE's community and playerbase. On top of that, since it will run on a different server layer, most people that IDLE, AFK and just WASTE other's players space in clusters, will be hooked up showing their new clothes in the station bars at Jita, Oursulagaert and Amamake. No matter the angle, INCARNA will be the BEST to have happened to EVE. Only crap coming from it is the Server crash and 2 days downtime when it goes live, but after one or two weeks CCP will probably manage to make it tolerable. Also I dont multibox, wasting so much money on an eve spaceship game to play with yourself is too much, I'd rather spend 15$ extra a month on a diff MMO or a kewl old time gog.com game so I concede that point, it's practically a scam har har har --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:29:00 - [37] It is the Bittervet-Syndrome,a lot of people constantly whining on the forums suffer from it. Basically, they lost interest in EVE a long time ago, they have their supercapitals parked somewhere but cannot login in and play the game for fear of getting ganked and making a lolthread in CAOD, having lost all fun into the game a long time ago, but are still addicted to their character created several years ago and unable to let go. There is no therapy at the moment, but if you want to help this poor people, please make fun of them in every whinethread. At some point they will ragequit, which has a good chance of breaking their addiction and free them from their bittervet-status. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:30:00 - [38] When the OP stands up, a whole beach falls out of his vag.
Mocam	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:59:00 - [39] Edited by: Mocam on 19/06/2011 09:00:28 Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: N'tek alar [.... How is it a scam exactly? they tell you exactly what you get before you pay up, So how is it a scam? If you really believe they're scamming you you should file a lawsuit as it's illegal. It's not a scam, but your claim is pretty laughable all the same. Judging the reality of Eve from the promo videos is like believing that tele-evangelists are in it for the good of your soul as opposed to the good of their wallets. Also, since the vast majority of Eve players have two accounts or more accounts, CCP would probably be insolvent inside of six months if those same players unsubbed all but one account. According to the 2010 stats, 100k plex traded a month. 300k accounts. That is: - 100k accounts using plex to pay for them. (50k GTC's bought to get 100k plex) - 200k users running those accounts. -- 1/3rd of the accounts are plex'd. 2/3rds of the accounts "some other" subscription based payment method used. Granted that info is from the tail end of last year but it doesn't seem to be a "vast majority". If it were a majority, where the hell would all that plex be coming from? 100,000 plex a month is a good quantity - that's $1,500,000 worth of GTC/plex "someone else" is paying for a month.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:00:00 - [40] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab When the OP stands up, a whole beach falls out of his vag. Vagabond?
Cpt Fina Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:09:00 - [41] I love the game enough to pay for two accounts and I know of atleast one other guy that feels the same. And since Zulu didn't say ALL people, but only people û this post alone actually confirms his case so you can all get the ** off his and stop being whiney *es about every thing that the developers say. You whiny ***es I hope you never be the face of this community.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Cpt Fina I love the game enough to pay for two accounts and I know of atleast one other guy that feels the same. And since Zulu didn't say ALL people, but only people û this post alone actually confirms his case so you can all get the ** off his and stop being whiney *es about every thing that the developers say. You whiny ***es I hope you never be the face of this community. Reported for offensive content.
Cpt Fina Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Cpt Fina I love the game enough to pay for two accounts and I know of atleast one other guy that feels the same. And since Zulu didn't say ALL people, but only people û this post alone actually confirms his case so you can all get the ** off his and stop being whiney *es about every thing that the developers say. You whiny ***es I hope you never be the face of this community. Reported for offensive content. And you take first place to be quite honest. All you do is spew bile on every topic and everything that the devs ever say by spamming the forum with the most spiteful and unconstructive piece of crap posts i've ever seen. Reported for being an asshat.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Cpt Fina I love the game enough to pay for two accounts and I know of atleast one other guy that feels the same. And since Zulu didn't say ALL people, but only people û this post alone actually confirms his case so you can all get the ** off his and stop being whiney *es about every thing that the developers say. You whiny ***es I hope you never be the face of this community. Reported for offensive content. And you take first place to be quite honest. All you do is spew bile on every topic and everything that the devs ever say by spamming the forum with the most spiteful and unconstructive piece of crap posts i've ever seen. Reported for being an asshat. It was a pleasure trolling you.
Cpt Fina Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:18:00 - [45] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 19/06/2011 10:19:01 Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Cpt Fina I love the game enough to pay for two accounts and I know of atleast one other guy that feels the same. And since Zulu didn't say ALL people, but only people û this post alone actually confirms his case so you can all get the ** off his and stop being whiney *es about every thing that the developers say. You whiny ***es I hope you never be the face of this community. Reported for offensive content. I hope you are getting treatment for that attention deficit disorder. And you take first place to be quite honest. All you do is spew bile on every topic and everything that the devs ever say by spamming the forum with the most spiteful and unconstructive piece of crap posts i've ever seen. Reported for being an asshat. It was a pleasure trolling you. I hope you are getting treatment for that attention deficit disorder.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Cpt Fina I hope you are getting treatment for that attention deficit disorder. How is it deficit? You're giving me all the attention I crave. There is so much rage in you that you messed up your quote pyramid.
Juliette DuBois	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:40:00 - [47] EVE is set up so that if you want to actually do things you want at least 2 accounts. Starting from gate system which is simply blind jumping from choke point to another, manifacturing, research, missions. PVP alone has multiple roles that need to be on field and there are even ships that cannot dock which means you need a holder character. Anyone with capital ship wants 2 accounts minimum, preferably more so you have more scouts and cyno options available. Supercaps are pretty decent for multiboxing too given slow pace of action on that scale. Basically I`d say EVE is 30-45 dollars per month game more or less. You can play with one but it means lots of downtime unless you have a great corp which can take care of your needs.
Phobos Kashada	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:21:54 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban or make difficult multipboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK This is why they think people have money to burn, that extra cash they want. Because idiots subscribe 2 or sometimes 7 accounts! If everybody only had one account, CCP wouldn't think we had all that surplus cash to scam out of us. What's wrong with 2 accounts? I have a combat character and a miner character. Sure, this could be avoided by allowing the training of skills to be done with the extra alt slots on a single account, but who cares? If a game is good enough, I'll pay 30 bucks a month for it. Isn't exactly pulling me into debt or anything lol
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Phobos Kashada Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:21:54 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban or make difficult multipboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK This is why they think people have money to burn, that extra cash they want. Because idiots subscribe 2 or sometimes 7 accounts! If everybody only had one account, CCP wouldn't think we had all that surplus cash to scam out of us. What's wrong with 2 accounts? I have a combat character and a miner character. Sure, this could be avoided by allowing the training of skills to be done with the extra alt slots on a single account, but who cares? If a game is good enough, I'll pay 30 bucks a month for it. Isn't exactly pulling me into debt or anything lol Good, now go buy me some Incarna Pants and Hats. I will need a steady source of pants to steal.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:32:00 - [50] Edited by: Estephania on 19/06/2011 11:33:00 It is indeed called greed and ppl don't want to depend on others when they can reap all rewards by themselves. Now we are going to the old argument of how alts are necessary in Eve. The fact that many (and probably the majority in 0.0) has them means they are quite necessary if you want the ability to PvP at an acceptable lvl - I mean command ships, HAC's and above all capitals. Some sell PLEX for ISK, but it's virtually the same as paying for another account, just in this case another player's account. Tbh, how popular capitals would be if only one account per player would be possible? How many ppl with one account can easily dish out 2 bill ISK to buy and fit a dread or a carrier, I'm not even talking about supers, which are becoming a must have (and in huge numbers) in alliance warfare. Tbh, Eve is being developed around multiboxing.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Estephania It is indeed called greed and ppl don't want to depend on others when they can reap all rewards by themselves. Now we are going to the old argument of how alts are necessary in Eve. The fact that many (and probably the majority in 0.0) has them means they are quite necessary if you want the ability to PvP at an acceptable lvl - I mean command ships, HAC's and above all capitals. Some sell PLEX for ISK, but it's virtually the same as paying for another account, just in this case another player's account. Tbh, how popular capitals would be if only one account per player would be possible? How many ppl with one account can easily dish out 2 bill ISK to buy and fit a dread or a carrier, I'm not even talking about supers, which are becoming a must have (and in huge numbers) in alliance warfare. Tbh, Eve at one point was being developed around multiboxing. I can, I do, and I have. (at least until my Carrier in Rens was move out :) Thanks GMs :)
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:38:00 - [52] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Estephania It is indeed called greed and ppl don't want to depend on others when they can reap all rewards by themselves. Now we are going to the old argument of how alts are necessary in Eve. The fact that many (and probably the majority in 0.0) has them means they are quite necessary if you want the ability to PvP at an acceptable lvl - I mean command ships, HAC's and above all capitals. Some sell PLEX for ISK, but it's virtually the same as paying for another account, just in this case another player's account. Tbh, how popular capitals would be if only one account per player would be possible? How many ppl with one account can easily dish out 2 bill ISK to buy and fit a dread or a carrier, I'm not even talking about supers, which are becoming a must have (and in huge numbers) in alliance warfare. Tbh, Eve at one point was being developed around multiboxing. I can, I do, and I have. (at least until my Carrier in Rens was move out :) Thanks GMs :) And how fast can you replace one if you lose it? I know ppl that can replace them in droves and none of them has one account. And if we are talking about super-cap pilots, then I guess it's accurate to say that all of them run alts.
Josefine Etrange Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:40:00 - [53] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Estephania It is indeed called greed and ppl don't want to depend on others when they can reap all rewards by themselves. Now we are going to the old argument of how alts are necessary in Eve. The fact that many (and probably the majority in 0.0) has them means they are quite necessary if you want the ability to PvP at an acceptable lvl - I mean command ships, HAC's and above all capitals. Some sell PLEX for ISK, but it's virtually the same as paying for another account, just in this case another player's account. Tbh, how popular capitals would be if only one account per player would be possible? How many ppl with one account can easily dish out 2 bill ISK to buy and fit a dread or a carrier, I'm not even talking about supers, which are becoming a must have (and in huge numbers) in alliance warfare. Tbh, Eve at one point was being developed around multiboxing. I can, I do, and I have. (at least until my Carrier in Rens was move out :) Thanks GMs :) Are you mad sister? (hint, if your posting more than others, it is not you that is successfully trolling others) Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Estephania It is indeed called greed and ppl don't want to depend on others when they can reap all rewards by themselves. Now we are going to the old argument of how alts are necessary in Eve. The fact that many (and probably the majority in 0.0) has them means they are quite necessary if you want the ability to PvP at an acceptable lvl - I mean command ships, HAC's and above all capitals. Some sell PLEX for ISK, but it's virtually the same as paying for another account, just in this case another player's account. Tbh, how popular capitals would be if only one account per player would be possible? How many ppl with one account can easily dish out 2 bill ISK to buy and fit a dread or a carrier, I'm not even talking about supers, which are becoming a must have (and in huge numbers) in alliance warfare. Tbh, Eve at one point was being developed around multiboxing. I can, I do, and I have. (at least until my Carrier in Rens was move out :) Thanks GMs :) And how fast can you replace one if you lose it? I know ppl that can replace them in droves and none of them has one account. And if we are talking about super-cap pilots, then I guess it's accurate to say that all of them run alts. Since I have on average 20 billion in my wallet at any given time, probably quite a few times :)
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:50:00 - [55] Edited by: Estephania on 19/06/2011 11:50:33 To get 20 bill on one acct. you've probably had to win a HAC or CS BPO in the lottery back then so you could build ships at 30-50 mill cost and sell them at 120-180 mill. Or grind 10 hours per day, but it is a no brainer.
Maxpie Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:50:00 - [56] I don't multibox. I don't even use an alt at all. You guys that do are missing out on a better Eve. My character is me. My reputation means something. I don't have any alt to hide behind. It makes some things difficult at times, sure. But it makes the game a whole lot better. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:54:00 - [57] Edited by: Miilla on 19/06/2011 11:54:26 Originally by: Estephania Edited by: Estephania on 19/06/2011 11:50:33 To get 20 bill on one acct. you've probably had to win a HAC or CS BPO in the lottery back then so you could build ships at 30-50 mill cost and sell them at 120-180 mill. Or grind 10 hours per day, but it is a no brainer. Or scam some fools out of 4 plex for 12m :) Sell a few hulk-less contracts Sell some Fleet Tissues. Loot war camps at stations. Manipulate the markets. 10 hour grinds? What idiot does that?
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 19/06/2011 11:54:26 Originally by: Estephania Edited by: Estephania on 19/06/2011 11:50:33 To get 20 bill on one acct. you've probably had to win a HAC or CS BPO in the lottery back then so you could build ships at 30-50 mill cost and sell them at 120-180 mill. Or grind 10 hours per day, but it is a no brainer. Or scam some fools out of 4 plex for 12m :) Sell a few hulk-less contracts Sell some Fleet Tissues. Loot war camps at stations. Manipulate the markets. 10 hour grinds? What idiot does that? I was not referring to scamming (was only talking about "legitimate" ways) :) To manipulate markets you need countless billions as other traders will simply "buy you out" and you'll lose ISK. At least ppl I know who manipulate markets have much more than 20 bill, so not sure it will work, especially if you were in process of making those 20 bill.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:01:00 - [59] Edited by: Miilla on 19/06/2011 12:01:17 Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 19/06/2011 11:54:26 Originally by: Estephania Edited by: Estephania on 19/06/2011 11:50:33 To get 20 bill on one acct. you've probably had to win a HAC or CS BPO in the lottery back then so you could build ships at 30-50 mill cost and sell them at 120-180 mill. Or grind 10 hours per day, but it is a no brainer. Or scam some fools out of 4 plex for 12m :) Sell a few hulk-less contracts Sell some Fleet Tissues. Loot war camps at stations. Manipulate the markets. 10 hour grinds? What idiot does that? I was not referring to scamming (was only talking about "legitimate" ways) :) To manipulate markets you need countless billions as other traders will simply "buy you out" and you'll lose ISK. At least ppl I know who manipulate markets have much more than 20 bill, so not sure it will work, especially if you were in process of making those 20 bill. In Eve, that is legitimate. Acutally if you read the game description of Eve, it is what the core of Eve is about. So if you are just a carebear, you are missing out of the core features of Eve.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Miilla In Eve, that is legitimate. Acutally if you read the game description of Eve, it is what the core of Eve is about. So if you are just a carebear, you are missing out of the core features of Eve. Didn't mean it was bannable or something,and btw I'm very far from being a carebear. I simply prefer "honorable" engagements.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:07:00 - [61] Edited by: Miilla on 19/06/2011 12:08:18 Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Miilla In Eve, that is legitimate. Acutally if you read the game description of Eve, it is what the core of Eve is about. So if you are just a carebear, you are missing out of the core features of Eve. Didn't mean it was bannable or something,and btw I'm very far from being a carebear. I simply prefer "honorable" engagements. So you're one of THOSE people that cry about RR that play dance around the jetcan like 2 women on a dance floor and their handbags at a station and cry that wasn't fair.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:14:00 - [62] Originally by: Le Skunk Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of avoiding game mechanics that are intended to encourage player cooperation. fyp. _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:17:00 - [63] Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/06/2011 12:19:27 I am not criticising the use or non use of multiboxing. I am criticising another of the "cloud cuckoo land" PR releases which are jaw droppingly insincere. A more accurate release would go as follows: A MORE ACCURATE PR RELEASE Hi. We at CCP realise a lot of you multibox in order to overcome some of the more tedious parts of the game we have chosen not to fix. Whilst this is immersion breaking, we have long let it ride as it brings in a lot more money per month and boosts out subscriber figures. In fact, our marketing department occasionaly even promotes this practice, with "the power of two" offers. Now this creates a problem when incarna hits on tuesday. We had decided to force players to use captains quarters, and have no way to turn it into a normal "oldschool" ship spinning station environment. We did this as we have spent years programing this content, and it would be galling (despite our comments in the past saying it would be an option) for players to have a quick run around, rotate their camera to look up their own skirt, then click the "no captains quarters" box. Its the same thinking behind not allowing players to default to "no local chat picture" and instead force 100 thousand totaly irrelevant tiny files onto your hardrive. We think its cool.. so must you! However, here lies the problem. Multiple instances of incarna grind down your machine. Here at ccp we all use the latest software, the latest pcs, and the latest gourmet sandwiches. (remember boot.ini ... non of us had bothere to test the client on windows XP as thats OLDDD MAN. We were all using Vista becuase its cutting edge yo). CCP Snookles even has a round table with a hole in the middle that he has to CLIMB UNDER the table to access the hole. This means he can have 360 degree monitors and spin his chair around to see them all. Its is aweshome ja? But you players out there might have a pc older then 6 months or something. And multiple captains quarters leads to multiple crashes leads to multiple "on the hairy edge of quitting" vets to unsub multiple accounts which leads to multiple snotty #ungratefuloik tweets from the higher ups. AND NOBODY LIKES TO RECIEVE A SNOTTY TWEET! So we have decided to allow you to turn the CQ off for a few months. We will removed this option in a few months when the furour over the other PR **** ups has died down and you are less likely to quit. THANKS GUYS! (o)
Scorpii Zenith Minmatar Ancient Heat	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:23:00 - [64] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/06/2011 22:24:33 More interesting "takes" on reality from ccp as the publicity machine winds up to polish the turd that is incarna Originally by: CCP Zulu But we have a bit of a unique situation to deal with that not all game developers have to take into account. People love EVE so much that they donæt just want to play one EVE, they want to play two EVEs at once...and sometimes even more! Nobody "wants" to multibox. People multibox as a way of dealing with game mechanics; whether that be not being able to see the market prices in another region, need a scout to warn you when targets are coming to your camp, need a scout so you can AVOID that camp in your hauler, or needed someone to drop a cyno so you can move your capital around. Anyone whos used to multiboxing will be able to empathise with the enjoyment that comes in those few times where you can maximise your main to fullscreen and just run a single account in a pvp encounter. Other developers ban, make difficult or provide no benefit in multiboxing. Eve activly encourages this "unique situation" both indirectly via game mechanics, and directly through offers sugh as "the power of two" SKUNK You fail. ISK/HOUR mentality is the reason why people get more accounts. Most of multiaccount users play mostly by themselves, instead of playing together with others. Those who realise that scouting can be done without second account, are actually playing together and having fun.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:26:00 - [65] Shader model 3.0 is years old, latest is 5.0 now. Yes the great thing about MMO's is they appeal to a WIDE audience of low end machines AND low bandwidth / quota internets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_shader#Hardware Lifetime of a laptop, 7 to 8 years tops really, my netbook, has shader 4.1. (not integrated) - but my netbook wasnt one of those cheap ones :) Not being snotty, just being realistic. If your netbook hasnt got the shader 3.0, go out and buy a cheap 5 year old laptop, it will have dedicated graphics and shader 3.0, you can pick them up cheap, and they will be more powerfull than a cheap integrated netbook.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:31:00 - [66] Lol, why do you think I cry about something not fair? Why should I cry about RR and dance around jetcan?
Forando Interstellar Cowards	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:43:00 - [67] I've been using more than one account actively in most MMO's I've played. (Linage 2, WOW, Dark Age of Camelot and others) It's not something I frown upon. But one of the main reasons is, that it allow a little group of RL friends to be quite flexible. Even more so in EVE, as EVE has a certain demand of focused character specialization, due to the skill system. Nobody "wants" to multibox!? Sorry, but you're just navily guessing there, my friend! Fly safe.. --- Enjoy, and fly safe..
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:56:00 - [68] Originally by: Forando ... Even more so in EVE, as EVE has a certain demand of focused character specialization, due to the skill system. Indeed, even in your confused defence of the PR post, you inadvertently provide more ammunition for my criticism of it SKUNK (o)
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.19 12:59:00 - [69] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/06/2011 12:19:27 I am not criticising the use or non use of multiboxing. I am criticising another of the "cloud cuckoo land" PR releases which are jaw droppingly insincere. A more accurate release would go as follows: A MORE ACCURATE PR RELEASE Hi. We at CCP realise a lot of you multibox in order to overcome some of the more tedious parts of the game we have chosen not to fix. Whilst this is immersion breaking, we have long let it ride as it brings in a lot more money per month and boosts out subscriber figures. In fact, our marketing department occasionaly even promotes this practice, with "the power of two" offers. Now this creates a problem when incarna hits on tuesday. We had decided to force players to use captains quarters, and have no way to turn it into a normal "oldschool" ship spinning station environment. We did this as we have spent years programing this content, and it would be galling (despite our comments in the past saying it would be an option) for players to have a quick run around, rotate their camera to look up their own skirt, then click the "no captains quarters" box. Its the same thinking behind not allowing players to default to "no local chat picture" and instead force 100 thousand totaly irrelevant tiny files onto your hardrive. We think its cool.. so must you! However, here lies the problem. Multiple instances of incarna grind down your machine. Here at ccp we all use the latest software, the latest pcs, and the latest gourmet sandwiches. (remember boot.ini ... non of us had bothere to test the client on windows XP as thats OLDDD MAN. We were all using Vista becuase its cutting edge yo). CCP Snookles even has a round table with a hole in the middle that he has to CLIMB UNDER the table to access the hole. This means he can have 360 degree monitors and spin his chair around to see them all. Its is aweshome ja? But you players out there might have a pc older then 6 months or something. And multiple captains quarters leads to multiple crashes leads to multiple "on the hairy edge of quitting" vets to unsub multiple accounts which leads to multiple snotty #ungratefuloik tweets from the higher ups. AND NOBODY LIKES TO RECIEVE A SNOTTY TWEET! So we have decided to allow you to turn the CQ off for a few months. We will removed this option in a few months when the furour over the other PR **** ups has died down and you are less likely to quit. THANKS GUYS! Quite possibly best thing I ever read on this forum.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.06.19 13:06:00 - [70] I'm pretty sure CCP is against spin. After the 21st there is going to be no spinning going on anywhere.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.19 13:32:00 - [71] If i had to pay twice or 7 times as much as a normal person to play a game, I would seriously reconsider what I consider FUN. Sure, In eve you can leech of somebody else and pay by PLEX; great, but it still is too much work to run more than one toon for my liking lol.
Lady Go Diveher	Posted - 2011.06.19 13:37:00 - [72] It doesn't matter what CCP do to the game mechanics, being able to pilot two players at once will ALWAYS give you an advantage if the alternative is being alone. Legitimizing dual-boxing just stops the endless QQ about players who WOULD STILL DO IT IF IT WERE ILLEGAL and get an edge. Unless the 'game mechanics' are that is it impossible for more than two players to meet in space at one time, this will always be the case. Some of us remember when it was legalized in the first place, and the reasons why

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