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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
841
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:23:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:So, you are saying that it's OK if 5 EVE Players died simultaneously in the same incident. And being mentioned in Press Releases by name by Hillary Clinton, the Sec. of State ? Nah.....just an ordinary passing. Nothing to see here. 
I'm saying that when you have a national disaster in a country such as Haiti, Japan, and so forth where millions of lives are affected and completely disrupted, that something like PLEX4HAITI feels a lot more provocative.
I don't know that much about how the US Government takes care of employees lost in the line of fire like this, but I am sure he will also be well taken care of by them.
Also, CCP getting directly involved in something like this becomes political with religious undertones as well, which I think is absolutely stupid; but inevitably stupidity begets stupidity. Although courage is the more valorous value.
Please don't twist my words, thanks.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Jake Maverick
Gallente Volunteer Defense Forces
Tribal Band
16
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:30:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:So, you are saying that it's OK if 5 EVE Players died simultaneously in the same incident. And being mentioned in Press Releases by name by Hillary Clinton, the Sec. of State ? Nah.....just an ordinary passing. Nothing to see here. I'm saying that when you have a national disaster in a country such as Haiti, Japan, and so forth where millions of lives are affected and completely disrupted, that something like PLEX4HAITI feels a lot more provocative. I don't know that much about how the US Government takes care of employees lost in the line of fire like this, but I am sure he will also be well taken care of by them. Also, CCP getting directly involved in something like this becomes political with religious undertones as well, which I think is absolutely stupid; but inevitably stupidity begets stupidity. Although courage is the more valorous value. Please don't twist my words, thanks.
The US gov't will of course take care of the family. That's one of my countries few redeeming qualities. This is not about relieving Hardship, this is about solidarity with the family.
Look at it this way, He used his time in life to impact our game and the way we make isk, at the expense of time he could have been with his family.
We have an opportunity to reverse the equation, and turn the Time we spend in game, into support for his family at the expense of isk
By doing so we show his family, in a way that matters in real life (not just pixels on a server) that we support them and honor his memory.
CCP says Eve is real... let's help them put our isk where their mouth is.
Finally, as for religious/political implications. We all understand if this will prevent CCP from getting involved. Everyone knows a company cannot afford to have a public political opinion... But until they let us know their stance we will continue to ask :D |
Generals4
1473
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:32:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Atedar Kerane wrote:Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.
Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off While OP's idea comes from a nice feeling I have to agree with Atedar. It would be a better mark of respect from our community if that isk/money could be used for a special mark of respect for Sean. I'm still in such disgust of this horrible news I can't think of anything meaningful enough representing the values of this great man.
I have to agree as well. In my opinion money is extremely impersonal and such doesn't really express sympathy. A much better gesture in this situation would some kind of mail in tribute to VR with thousands of EVE members signing it. (or some kind of gift funded by plex)
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Qorvis Communications
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:33:00 -
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I think this is a wonderful sentiment, but outside the scope of traditional PLEX drives, which are generally focused large scale disasters and helping people in distress. This situation, while tragic, does not rise to that level. Further, as US Foreign Service employees they will be reasonably well insured and compensated. I don't think his family will go hungry or have to suffer the elements.
I can't express how happy it makes me feel to see the EVE community pull together so quickly. It's always nice to be reminded that the guy shooting at you in the game would risk his life for you or help you in your time of need. |
Tahm Cruise
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:34:00 -
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Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming ( supercap ship theft, Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams ) grief play and played a major role in the worst corp in eve's history?
No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that. |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
340
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:35:00 -
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Scooter McCabe wrote:I believe the press release stated he had children, you want to do something, do a college fund for the kids.
Confirmed idea, best idea. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
586
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:37:00 -
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Tahm Cruise wrote:Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?
No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.
ITT: Someone who can't differentiate RL from Eve...
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Steijn
Quay Industries
CAStabouts
191
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:40:00 -
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Tahm Cruise wrote:Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?
No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.
Sorry, but you really havent a clue what the rest of the posters in this thread are talking about. |
Barbaydos
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:43:00 -
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Quote:Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?
No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.
a man has just died, a man who has done massive amounts for the EVE game both as a diplomat for a major alliance and player of the game and as a member of the CSM. If you don't care about him dieing that's fair enough but if you don't want to help support the very idea of helping his family who has lost a husband, father and son... then please leave this game and seriously go rethink your life, because you obviously have no morals or feelings as a human being |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
80
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:45:00 -
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Tahm Cruise wrote:Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?
No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.
Dude, this is eve. That sort of thing is what the game is known for, its what makes it awesome. |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
9
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:46:00 -
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Jake Maverick wrote:
Now his Family is without him, who is to say how they will get by without him? Don't we owe his family a debt?
No. We owe them nothing. We owe him nothing. May be perceived as harsh, but it's true. If people want to donate to make themselves feel better then that's an individual choice, but don't play the debt/guilt card.
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Jake Maverick
Gallente Volunteer Defense Forces
Tribal Band
21
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:47:00 -
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Tahm Cruise wrote:Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?
No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.
His Eve actions have no bearing on what kind of a man he was in real life. Eve is a game where behind the mask of the anonymous we do w/e we want for the sake of the game. Without folks to do this kind of thing the game would stagnate and be uninteresting as there is only BARELY a story line to follow. we write the story and the story needs villains, You cannot hold someone accountable IRL for things they do in a game, so even if he DID do any of those things.. it means nothing to me.
What matters is that when it comes down to life outside the magic internet spaceship box he was a good man serving his country and our community. FOR THAT and for that alone, we honor his memory.
If you need an example of why internet spaceships don't actually matter... Look at the second response to this thread... I am HBC, and a member of -A- (we are -10 to each other) was the first guy to pledge support regardless of what we would do to each other inside eves mechanics. This is the kind of thing that helps me keep my faith in humanity, in the face of Embassies being bombed...
Please remember to separate spaceships from life, for your own sanity's sake :) |
Tahm Cruise
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:49:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:Tahm Cruise wrote:Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?
No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that. Dude, this is eve. That sort of thing is what the game is known for, its what makes it awesome.
Exactly, however, what goes around comes around.
(Ab)using the "oh but it's just a game" argument is just lame. People waste their time in EVE aquiring isk just like they do aquiring money irl. If someone steals isk equalivent of several years of ingame work thats not different from someone stealing actual rl money.
Time is money. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4591
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jake Maverick wrote:Don't we owe his family a debt? No. But that's why it would be a meaningful gesture: because it's not some automatic repayment of dues owed, but done out of respect for him and as a statement in his memory.
This.
I would like to donate if possible.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Master Hyde
Infinite Covenant
Tribal Band
1
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:51:00 -
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I never donate to anything... ever. But i would to this. |
Tahm Cruise
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:51:00 -
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Double post |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
725
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:51:00 -
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Tahm Cruise wrote:Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?
No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.
Not being able to make a difference in between an in game character whatever action you dislike and the man you're talking about disgusts me.
brb |
Jake Maverick
Gallente Volunteer Defense Forces
Tribal Band
21
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:53:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Jake Maverick wrote:
Now his Family is without him, who is to say how they will get by without him? Don't we owe his family a debt?
No. We owe them nothing. We owe him nothing. May be perceived as harsh, but it's true. If people want to donate to make themselves feel better then that's an individual choice, but don't play the debt/guilt card.
I apologize for the wording, did not intend to play a debt/guilt card. As you can see before today I hardly posted about anything at all. I never had a thing that I cared enough to post much about. But the key word is "care" That is just how I feel, I feel a personal responsibility to do something. I am just asking for others that feel that way to let CCP know we want their help to do something for this family. We have no hard feelings towards those that do not feel that way, please do not have hard feelings towards us I don't intend to make anyone feel "guilty" =( |
Anunzi
High House Of Shadows
Tribal Band
43
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:54:00 -
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Tahm Cruise wrote:Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?
No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.
A human being, a father, a husband, was just murdered. Taken from his family and friends by religious loons.
All you can think of is how he acted in a game about internet spaceships. You are a sad, small minded, bitter little person. I pity you.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9476
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:55:00 -
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Tahm Cruise wrote:Exactly, however, what goes around comes around. So you agree that we should call your workplace and explain to your boss that you are a callous bastard who thinks it's ok to kill people? After all, it's not just a game and you've just said that he got what's coming to him, so when you get ostracised for being such an *******, it's just what comes aroundGǪ
Quote:If someone steals isk equalivent of several years of ingame work thats not different from someone stealing actual rl money. You have seriously lost it. Get professional help. You have lost all connection with reality and can't separate it from the shared fantasy world of ours.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tahm Cruise
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:55:00 -
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Jake Maverick wrote:[quote=Tahm Cruise] You cannot hold someone accountable IRL for things they do in a game.
Lol.
Assume that I have your account info, later today I'll steal 95% of everything you own ingame.
Assume that it's legal to steal isk this way.
Then lets meet up irl and we'll see what you have to say about me. |
Jim Era
2837
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:55:00 -
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Anunzi wrote:
A human being, a father, a husband, was just murdered. Taken from his family and friends by religious loons.
All you can think of is how he acted in a game about internet spaceships. You are a sad, small minded, bitter little person. I pity you.
But since he has passed, how many other fathers, daughters, sons etc passed.
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Lyric Lahnder
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
103
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:56:00 -
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Like the OP thread starter if you support this idea.
If you lost a team mate on a sports team you would ban together to show your support for that individual.
I feel a plex drive for VR's family would be no different.
Were merely showing support for a person who shared in an activity we all love.
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Darth Bri
Rage of Inferno
Burning Ambition
17
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:05:00 -
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*snip*
EDIT: Sorry to remove your post but I have moderated the post you quoted and so in turn, I had to moderate yours. Please feel free to put something else in this space that isn't related to a moderated post - ISD Type40. |
Jake Maverick
Gallente Volunteer Defense Forces
Tribal Band
24
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:07:00 -
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Darth Bri wrote:*snip*
EDIT: Sorry to remove your post but I have moderated the post you quoted and so in turn, I had to moderate yours. Please feel free to put something else in this space that isn't related to a moderated post - ISD Type40.
Thank you ISD for fixing the thread!
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Merlin Centarii
Sundown Logistics
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:10:00 -
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I don't quite care if you believe in this cause or not. At the end of the day thats your decision. Just show me where i can help, because i knew him and because i can. Enough said. |
Gallinae
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
6
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:11:00 -
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Atedar Kerane wrote:Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.
Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off
No, but it could help send his kids to college someday. |
Jake Maverick
Gallente Volunteer Defense Forces
Tribal Band
24
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:14:00 -
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Merlin Centarii wrote:I don't quite care if you believe in this cause or not. At the end of the day thats your decision. Just show me where i can help, because i knew him and because i can. Enough said.
I wish I could like this post more than once |
baltec1
Bat Country
2116
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:15:00 -
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I'm up for this. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
566
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:16:00 -
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I will quote myself here, make sure you read it please.
ISD TYPE40 wrote:This is the first and only warning I will issue. Do NOT bring petty personal arguments in here. If you disagree with the OP do so politely and then leave. Vitriol, petty insults and mud slinging will not be tolerated on these forums and anyone found to be doing so repeatedly is at risk of a warning or forum ban.
I know that subjects like this can be difficult to deal with, everyone has differing views and thoughts. This is something that can work two ways, it can either benefit the community or it can divide it terribly. Please bear in mind that friends of Vile Rats will be reading these pages, perhaps even his family, we do not know. So I will ask all of you, once and once only, show some respect.
So please, think before you post, and post sensibly - ISD Type40.
ISD Type40
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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