Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off

Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off

It's not just a Pile of Money....
It's a showing of support for this mans family.

This Man was on the CSM... He took time from his life to make our favorite Game better for us... time which was devoted to us instead of to his family.

Now his Family is without him, who is to say how they will get by without him? Don't we owe his family a debt?

Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off

Don't we owe his family a debt?

Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off

No.
But that's why it would be a meaningful gesture: not because it's some automatic repayment of dues owed, but out of respect for him and as a statement in his memory.

I totally agree, its the least we could do, to help as much as we can. In fact I will sell myself and donate all the plex to said fund. That should be 80 plex to start the ball rolling

No.
But that's why it would be a meaningful gesture: because it's not some automatic repayment of dues owed, but done out of respect for him and as a statement in his memory.

Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off

While OP's idea comes from a nice feeling I have to agree with Atedar.
It would be a better mark of respect from our community if that isk/money could be used for a special mark of respect for Sean.
I'm still in such disgust of this horrible news I can't think of anything meaningful enough representing the values of this great man.

I think this is an odd tone to set for a donation only because there are other EVE players that pass away every year I am sure. Although this stands out in many ways, I think that it's an odd tone for CCP to do this for one person.

I am sure that a real fund will be created to help with this and I'm sure that it will go to the right people that they can get real money into their hands to help that family without the need for CCP/PLEX to get involved.

I think this is an odd tone to set for a donation only because there are other EVE players that pass away every year I am sure. Although this stands out in many ways, I think that it's an odd tone for CCP to do this for one person.

I am sure that a real fund will be created to help with this and I'm sure that it will go to the right people that they can get real money into their hands to help that family without the need for CCP/PLEX to get involved.

I think this is an odd tone to set for a donation only because there are other EVE players that pass away every year I am sure. Although this stands out in many ways, I think that it's an odd tone for CCP to do this for one person.

So, you are saying that it's OK if 5 EVE Players died simultaneously in the same incident.

And being mentioned in Press Releases by name by Hillary Clinton, the Sec. of State ?

Nah.....just an ordinary passing. Nothing to see here.

I'm saying that when you have a national disaster in a country such as Haiti, Japan, and so forth where millions of lives are affected and completely disrupted, that something like PLEX4HAITI feels a lot more provocative.

I don't know that much about how the US Government takes care of employees lost in the line of fire like this, but I am sure he will also be well taken care of by them.

Also, CCP getting directly involved in something like this becomes political with religious undertones as well, which I think is absolutely stupid; but inevitably stupidity begets stupidity. Although courage is the more valorous value.

Please don't twist my words, thanks.

While OP's idea comes from a nice feeling I have to agree with Atedar.
It would be a better mark of respect from our community if that isk/money could be used for a special mark of respect for Sean.
I'm still in such disgust of this horrible news I can't think of anything meaningful enough representing the values of this great man.

I believe the press release stated he had children, you want to do something, do a college fund for the kids.

Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?


No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.

Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?


No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.

Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?


No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.

Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?


No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.

Now his Family is without him, who is to say how they will get by without him? Don't we owe his family a debt?

Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?


No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.

Dude, this is eve. That sort of thing is what the game is known for, its what makes it awesome.

No.
But that's why it would be a meaningful gesture: because it's not some automatic repayment of dues owed, but done out of respect for him and as a statement in his memory.

Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?


No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.

No. We owe them nothing. We owe him nothing. May be perceived as harsh, but it's true. If people want to donate to make themselves feel better then that's an individual choice, but don't play the debt/guilt card.

Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?


No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.

Exactly, however, what goes around comes around.

If someone steals isk equalivent of several years of ingame work thats not different from someone stealing actual rl money.

[quote=Tahm Cruise] You cannot hold someone accountable IRL for things they do in a game.

A human being, a father, a husband, was just murdered. Taken from his family and friends by religious loons.

All you can think of is how he acted in a game about internet spaceships. You are a sad, small minded, bitter little person. I pity you.

*snip*


EDIT: Sorry to remove your post but I have moderated the post you quoted and so in turn, I had to moderate yours. Please feel free to put something else in this space that isn't related to a moderated post - ISD Type40.

Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off

I don't quite care if you believe in this cause or not. At the end of the day thats your decision. Just show me where i can help, because i knew him and because i can. Enough said.

This is the first and only warning I will issue. Do NOT bring petty personal arguments in here. If you disagree with the OP do so politely and then leave. Vitriol, petty insults and mud slinging will not be tolerated on these forums and anyone found to be doing so repeatedly is at risk of a warning or forum ban.

I know that subjects like this can be difficult to deal with, everyone has differing views and thoughts. This is something that can work two ways, it can either benefit the community or it can divide it terribly. Please bear in mind that friends of Vile Rats will be reading these pages, perhaps even his family, we do not know. So I will ask all of you, once and once only, show some respect.

So please, think before you post, and post sensibly - ISD Type40.

To be honest, I suspect whatever life insurance he had would far surpass anything we might give

To be honest, I suspect whatever life insurance he had would far surpass anything we might give.

I think a better application of money from the community would be to donate to a scholarship fund or some charity that meant something to the man. Honor his memory by making a difference in his name, rather than simply handing his family a check that they (hopefully) don't need.

edit: Perhaps someone who knows the family could determine whether they were in need of the small bit of financial assistance we could provide.

His Eve actions have no bearing on what kind of a man he was in real life. Eve is a game where behind the mask of the anonymous we do w/e we want for the sake of the game. Without folks to do this kind of thing the game would stagnate and be uninteresting as there is only BARELY a story line to follow. we write the story and the story needs villains, You cannot hold someone accountable IRL for things they do in a game, so even if he DID do any of those things.. it means nothing to me.

To be honest, I suspect whatever life insurance he had would far surpass anything we might give.

I think a better application of money from the community would be to donate to a scholarship fund or some charity that meant something to the man. Honor his memory by making a difference in his name, rather than simply handing his family a check that they (hopefully) don't need.

edit: Perhaps someone who knows the family could determine whether they were in need of the small bit of financial assistance we could provide.

snip for brevity

Wrong, money is collected to help dependents get there lives back on track... nothing to do with property

Tal

US Foreign Service diplomats and their families are covered in a variety of ways beyond traditional insurance.

Perhaps Goonswarm and/or Something Awful (of which VR was a moderator) can organize something on their side of the fence, rather than the EVE community at large. While we can all agree to step back and recognize this RL event for what it was and respect and honor a man who gave more than his full share of devotion to his country, this doesn't fit the intent or purpose of previous PLEX drives. It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with political and religious overtones.

It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with policital and religious overtones.

US Foreign Service diplomats and their families are covered in a variety of ways beyond traditional insurance.

Perhaps Goonswarm and/or Something Awful (of which VR was a moderator) can organize something on their side of the fence, rather than the EVE community at large. While we can all agree to step back and recognize this RL event for what it was and respect and honor a man who gave more than his full share of devotion to his country, this doesn't fit the intent or purpose of previous PLEX drives. It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with policital and religious overtones.

US Foreign Service diplomats and their families are covered in a variety of ways beyond traditional insurance.

Perhaps Goonswarm and/or Something Awful (of which VR was a moderator) can organize something on their side of the fence, rather than the EVE community at large. While we can all agree to step back and recognize this RL event for what it was and respect and honor a man who gave more than his full share of devotion to his country, this doesn't fit the intent or purpose of previous PLEX drives. It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with political and religious overtones.

US Foreign Service diplomats and their families are covered in a variety of ways beyond traditional insurance.

Perhaps Goonswarm and/or Something Awful (of which VR was a moderator) can organize something on their side of the fence, rather than the EVE community at large. While we can all agree to step back and recognize this RL event for what it was and respect and honor a man who gave more than his full share of devotion to his country, this doesn't fit the intent or purpose of previous PLEX drives. It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with political and religious overtones.

I don't understand why you think the only way to contribute is by way of a PLEX drive. Head over to something awful and/or the goon forums, if there isn't already a collection being taken, start one.

they're already on it. here's the link: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3506424

I believe the press release stated he had children, you want to do something, do a college fund for the kids.

Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off

(5:25:49 PM) [email protected]/directorbot: My people, many of you have asked us to 'do something'. SA is going to be arranging a fundraiser for Sean's kids in the next few days and we will be plowing all the interested GSF/CFC/HBC folks into that fundraiser so our efforts are combined; until then, grieve. If you want to channel your rage and loss, save that motivation for laying a financial foundation down for Sean's kids to go to college.

*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***

Don't forget the rest of us...

I think goons should donate all the isk they scammed from people ( including myself ) starting with their great leader mittens.
Wife and kids should be millionaires after these generous donations.

How does it sound ? Would be the first good deed they'd do. And probably the last, unless other goon dies...Fair enough ?

ITT: Someone who can't differentiate between in-game actions, and RL...



Why so bitter?

Bye the way, I'm no goon, but I've scammed a few people (in game) does that make me a bad person too?

They have stolen 30 bill from me. If they find a way to convert that isk into real money with or without CCP's help and give it to VR's family, I will be glad. If they don't do it, they're a bunch of hypocrites.

Get to work goons, renaming stations won't help the family.

CCP (The company that makes the game) Had once done a PLEX drive in order to donate money to help the victims of the Fukushima disaster, This basically lets us players convert the massive quantities of ingame currency we have into a something called a PLEX which is worth approx 15-19 dollars each depending on how you look at it, Or buy the PLEX for cash (as we normally would to sell them in the game) and then rather than use them to pay for a month of game time... donate this PLEX to the cause whereupon CCP would donate the money.

They have stolen 30 bill from me. If they find a way to convert that isk into real money with or without CCP's help and give it to VR's family, I will be glad. If they don't do it, they're a bunch of hypocrites.

Get to work goons, renaming stations won't help the family.

A family have lost a husband, farther and son, how about you save your in game anger for in game events, and leave this subject alone

Can't believe so many are mixing up RL with EvE or just trolling to be c*nts.


Tal

A family have lost a husband, farther and son, how about you save your in game anger for in game events, and leave this subject alone

Can't believe so many are mixing up RL with EvE or just trolling to be c*nts.


Tal

You seem to be stupid so I'll try to use less words :

It's about donations here. I made my "donation". Goons' turn now. Nothing to do with the game or RL. No mixing. I've done my part of the job. Got the idea or I just lost a bunch of seconds from my precious life ?

No. We owe them nothing. We owe him nothing. May be perceived as harsh, but it's true. If people want to donate to make themselves feel better then that's an individual choice, but don't play the debt/guilt card.

It would be cool if GOONS renamed one of their main outposts "Sean Smith Memorial Station" or something like that.

maybe CCP could contribute by locking the name so it could never be changed.

Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off

A pile of money isn't going to bring him back ... but that's not the point here. Do you know how much a funeral costs? And there may be other financial difficulties for the family, who knows.

I don't think CCP should get involved in this officially, but I would like to see something like this being done by goons to support Vile's family and to show that the people, who he spent much of his time with over the last years, truly care about this loss.

A pile of money isn't going to bring him back ... but that's not the point here. Do you know how much a funeral costs? And there may be other financial difficulties for the family, who knows.

I don't think CCP should get involved in this officially, but I would like to see something like this being done by goons to support Vile's family and to show that the people, who he spent much of his time with over the last years, truly care about this loss.

surely he would have a military funeral with full military honors that goes with it seeing as he died while serving his country... so there would be no cost to his family for funeral expenses????

Even if it's just to ensure that his 2 kids have a collage fund.

Even if it's just to ensure that his 2 kids have a collage fund.

collage fund?

i think u meant college fund

Question, who the hell was Vile Rat?

There is something being organized but he wasn't an SA or Goonswarm community member alone. I don't see how its an imposition to give people the opportunity to act with compassion to a tragic event, as the last time I checked compassion knows no nationally, creed or ideology.

Check again:
http://eve-search.com/thread/1046114-0/page/1
and pay attention to Goonswarm posts

....
Just get him a memorial Erebus like he wanted in post #18.

Not to be rude, but the disaster in Japan affected a lot of people where a lot of lives were lost. This is only a handful of people, at most. There are worthier charities out there.

We gave a fair bit of money to that and haiti as well so uh go **** yourself. Thanks in advance.

Not to be rude, but the disaster in Japan affected a lot of people where a lot of lives were lost. This is only a handful of people, at most. There are worthier charities out there.

I would donate isk and/or real money if CCP set up a fund.

I think this is only going to work one way didn't realize my suggestion would end up snowballing into this. Mitts has to set up a Fund and also a trust to manage the fund (he is a commercial retired lawyer) we donate by paypal, trustees administer the donations and hopefully we all pull together to leave a legacy of such.
He has paid the ultimate price for serving his country and I think the least we can do as a community is pull together and show our support in anyway we can.

Just My 2 cents but hopefully people can appreciate what I am suggesting and saying.
Anyway I hope this idea will gather some momentum in the next few days and a plan is put in place to implement it.

Others would be willing to donate, but I'm afraid some of us won't if Mittani is the one running it(I don't find him to be a trustworthy or mature enough individual). Would be better if it was an official thing run by CCP.

no

Others would be willing to donate, but I'm afraid some of us won't if Mittani is the one running it(I don't find him to be a trustworthy or mature enough individual). Would be better if it was an official thing run by CCP.

how about a plex drive for the guy the goons tried to get to commit suicide in game ?

I for one could not think of a more trustworthy individual than Vile rat's personal friend of six years and accomplished CSM chairman.

I for one could not think of a more trustworthy individual than Vile rat's personal friend of six years and accomplished CSM chairman.

Only CCP can convert PLEX to $$$ MONEY. That's how the donations work. When you're giving away your PLEX to CCP for causes the people aren't getting free game time, they're getting $$$ that other players bought the PLEX with then they're giving it to those causes.

Only CCP can run a PLEX drive. Anyone else you see running a PLEX drive in the name of the death another player should probably be reported immediately.

Among a sea of people supporting the idea, a response like this makes you look like an ass. At least elaborate on why you are saying no...or is it just out of misguided ignorance? If you don't want to donate then don't. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to be involved.

If CCP sets something up I would also donate.

THIS!

Fundraiser update

After some conversations with Sean's wife, we will be launching a fundraiser as soon as possible through YouCaring. It might take a few days. In the meantime, if you would like to contribute money directly to Sean's family immediately, you can Paypal [email protected]. If you do this, please label the funds as "Personal Gift."

You can make a difference! :)

WHEW!

Good the "the Mittani" won't be running it! If it is that character, it'll be "Alex Gianturco", the attorney...

Learn to differentiate RL from the Game...

(I know it's fun to :rabble:, but really people...)


How about you read the aftermath of that and figure out the guy who got ganked was lying? Of course, facts are inconvenient when you want to :rabble:.

I do not think they meant to imply that GS or Mittani were going to run a PLEX drive we all know only CCP has the legal PLEX - > $ Button. I think the reference was to the real money charity that is being organized by Somethingawful.

I think it should be emphasized then if Mittani/GS were to REALLY scam you in real life for money (especially on something like this) they would be VERY legally responsible for their actions and get severely screwed. So, although I'm sure they're going to do the job as legitimately as possible for fund-raising real money, the reality is they're not going to scam you because they're real people with real lives that they don't want ruined.

I'm actually more interested in the fact that he played Eve and brought so much to it.

vOv

If it were some other countries citizen hurt by XYZ - I wouldn't care, it would still be "Eve Player Killed".

Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off

not to be disrespectful, but you are totally missing the point.....

Money donations are being handled on the SA Forums by the mods and admins. Mittens has little to do with it. If we were to do something in game it would probably be handled by one of our finance directors.

So is everyone else in this thread. I feel for his friends and family, it was a senseless death.

However, considering the circumstances of his death , it seems highly likely that the US Goverment will be paying out quite a bit to his family.

And the reality is, if the Goons really are worried about this, convert some of those trillions of moongoo, and go for it....

No. We owe them nothing. We owe him nothing. May be perceived as harsh, but it's true. If people want to donate to make themselves feel better then that's an individual choice, but don't play the debt/guilt card.

how about a plex drive for the guy the goons tried to get to commit suicide in game ?

Not to be rude, but the disaster in Japan affected a lot of people where a lot of lives were lost. This is only a handful of people, at most. There are worthier charities out there.

I know a lot of you expressed interest in doing something for Vile Rat, and I know CCP has been informed a college fund has been started for his children. In case you were unaware on how to help out here are the details:

http://www.youcaring.com/fundraiser_details?fundraiser_id=9332&url=benefitforseansmithsfamily

Much, much better, college fund for kids living/growing up in the US (we Euros get uni/college for free by way of taxes) is more than worthy. Already raised the equivalent of 2000 PLEX ..

Now if OP would add the link to the fundraiser in the original post to maximize exposure.

I suppose we should have PLEX drive for all the families of the deceased EVE Online players?

I have tremendous respect for Vile Rat and his accomplishments, but this PLEX drive is just way too much.

Now his Family is without him, who is to say how they will get by without him? Don't we owe his family a debt?

If it were you, I'd think your corp mates would post something on EVE. I think the players of EVE would see it and step forward with the same care and concern. People outside of EVE hear of things all the time where someone is in need and caring people do step forward. Now you don't have to get involved, but don't impede other people from being generous with uncalled for negativity. I wouldn't try to dissuade someone from helping your family or raising awareness.

If it were you, I'd think your corp mates would post something on EVE. I think the players of EVE would see it and step forward with the same care and concern. People outside of EVE hear of things all the time where someone is in need and caring people do step forward. Now you don't have to get involved, but don't impede other people from being generous with uncalled for negativity. I wouldn't try to dissuade someone from helping your family or raising awareness.

There have been some really nasty replies to people dying in RL from some corners of the Eve player base in the past. I seem to recall that they originated from the same community that is now trying to raise funds for one of their own that died recently.

When I die, you going to get everybody to support my family?
How about when all the other customers of GGP died? I know they weren't goons, but come on, they had families too.

As requested OP has been edited to include the following Link.


http://www.youcaring.com/fundraiser_details?fundraiser_id=9332&url=benefitforseansmithsfamily

This is absolutely right. Since when did the burden of having to support the families of those deceased, became the obligation of the CCP?

It sure has nice ring to it. CCP running PLEX Drive to support the families of deceased EVE Player, but why should CCP dedicate dozens of its employees, deprive hundreds of labor-hour that could have been gone to developing new ships or new features, to make ingame memorial sites and support the unfortunate families?

I am not in the best position to dictate what CCP should do, but as one of the stakeholders who purchase hundreds of PLEXs, I can only see this PLEX Drive serving one purpose: marketing EVE Online out there.

I suppose CCP should hold PLEX Drive to support all the families of all the deceased EVE Players?

Should CCP start allocating 32% of its revenue so it can start EVE Players' social security program too?

NO!

People die all days. EvE player don't die that often but it still happens.
He did his job and he KNEW it might be dangures!

It's the job of the US-Goverment to take care about his family now, not ours!

And much more important for me: it was a US fanatican who made this damn video why all this happend. Every goverment in the world knew this fanatic christian prist ... but AGAIN the US goverment failed to act in time (arest this fanaticen).

Now the hole western world has to suffer becouse if this DAMN IDIOT who made the incridible STUPID video.

If someone should pay then ONLY the US goverment and this fanatic christ prist Terry Jones.