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William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.09.14 08:11:00 -
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There is no need to rename a system. There exists a system in the "Estoria" region called VR-YRV. Alternatively there is VR-YIQ.
Don't know what you could use the YRV for.
You will be Remembered Verily or something.
Either way I propose we form a procession to VR-YRV and shoot anything on our path. Who is with me? |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
848
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Posted - 2012.09.14 08:23:00 -
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Moostang wrote:Signed.
CCP - Please do this for our fallen hero!! He has had a massive influence on this game, this sandbox, this life, that we know as Eve-Online. I can see ho harm in a monument in the system he is currently in and even if we had one for every fallen player well this is the biggest gaming universe in existence.
So +1
Rest in peace Vile Rat. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1162
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:12:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:War Kitten wrote:FDIC Agent wrote:Why is it that goons go to extreme measures to mock the death of other players and even getting on stage demanding action be taken to cause someone to kill themselves... but when one of their own dies, it is serious business??
How about you guys treat all death with respect and don't harrass those grieving. Interesting... Someone earlier thought it was bad to judge individuals on their actions or behavior, but it's OK to judge entire groups of people based on the actions of other members of the group? I think not. Actually, it is *this* type of thinking that leads to the violence that started the protests, riots and deaths. It's this type of thinking that starts most wars. Ascribing the actions of one to the entire group he belongs to, and transferring your hatred for one onto the others of the group is at the root of the problem. Two wrongs don't make a right. But the reputation that goons have built is not out of accident. They (as in goons) thrive on the grief of others. So much so they've gone out of their way to ridicule victims of suicide attacks and death of other people through their silly "jihad" campaigns, mockeries, or other distasteful foolishness. And it may be the case that not all goons participate in these "events". But if they're going to wear the "goon" tag they need to understand the perception it brings on them as a group. the same way, say a *** member, needs to understand the perception that is brought on him by merely being a member of the group.
Indeed, this is also true. That kind of public image is a good reason to distrust or avoid a person because of the group they belong to.
It isn't enough to justify mistreating someone, however. Keep that distinction in mind.
Innocent until proven guilty, not guilt by association.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Dewayne Hicks
Purity Acquisitions
0
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:21:00 -
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As hard as it is to hear about another member of our community passing, especially in the manner Vile Rat has, he is not the first, nor will he be the last. I did not know him, nor ever talk to him as far as I can remember, but I knew who he was and how much he impacted our in-game world. For those that were close to him in-game and real life friends with him I sympathize and know the pain you feel, I went thru the same pain several years ago. We tried everything, including my offering to pay a small fortune to CCP in real money for a monument to a person alot of folks loved like family. But as Verone stated, CCP has never allowed such a device in-game as it would cause alot of issues, favoritism, etc etc etc.
The whole idea of one monument with every fallen person's name on it in highsec is a good and viable idea, however making a system in VR's name is going to cause more trouble\issues than it will heal the hurting alot of people are feeling now. And just from my personal experiance, having an in-your-face reminder like that would do more harm than good. If he was anything like what I have been reading about, he would not want anyone close to him, in game or real life feeling bad, he would want folks to get on with life and enjoy every minute you have. The best way to memorialize him in my opinion is to tell and re-tell stories of his exploits, and I am sure there are alot of them to tell. As long as he is in your hearts he will never be forgotten.
It will be interesting to see if someone in Goons will pick up and carry on the path he paved in diplomacy. My best wishes to his family.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
eddie valvetino
Snuff Box
32
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:26:00 -
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Rashmika Clavain wrote:Maybe! My initial reaction is based upon the application of value to the deceased. I think all are equal in death, yet to start naming systems after an individual attaches a value to said individual. Who are we [collectively] to decide who is more valuable than another? :shrug: Besides, I think the best monument to a fallen EVE player is an Officer fit Titan wreck on a low sec gate Ninja Edit: I recall some chap from a corp called the Channel 4 news Team (or something) passed away. They celebrated his life by dropping six Moms into Tama resulting in a massive pewpew fest. That's the way to be remembered, and in fact, proof is in the pudding. I do remember him nad the event.
I was one of the support fleet for this, was spot on, a personal thing, sorted by guys that knew him. It was suitable and correct.
I think we are all horrified by the details of VR's passing and that makes it all the more difficult for those who knew him well.
System names changes are just not on a monument in goon space or even in Jita... I think would be okay... damn rename a whole planet if you want.
I think we, perhaps we should be thinking about ways we as a community can help those he left behind, two kids and a wife. rather than how we mark is passing. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
200
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:37:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:In the Sandbox that is EVE, we can make our own memorials: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12I respect your sentiment, but it's not appropriate in a video game. We'll remember him always, and knowing Goons, they'll always have some way to be sure he's never forgotten.
This and I know Titan wrecks used to stay on grid, I don't know about the names of them though. If it is the case that you can name a Titan to make it a memorial again, I am sure Goons can make that happen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations
63
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:44:00 -
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This is an interesting idea. However it begs the question of why do we not set up memorials for every soldier who is killed and can never log in again, every firefighter, policeman, teacher, mother, brother... Sean Smith sounds like he was a very decent human being and the Goons and everyone else has the in game tools to honor his memory. Over three hundred stations were renamed to honor him. Thousands and thousands of players held him and his family in their prayers. I actually saw the trolling on the recrutiment channel stop for a moment of silence. That is the power that is community of Eve.
The sad fact is that CCP setting up a memorial for him says that we must now do the same for every player that passes or passes in service (we must then decide what is valid service) or we state that his passing was more important because his alliance was the biggest. That is not a good message to send nor is it fair.
I imagine that as long as Goons lay waste to the spacelanes of Eve (and do some really cool stuff like Burn Jita) that a memorial will exist to Vile Rat. That is appropriate and much more real than a CCP anchored batch of pixels because whatever station is renamed must be held, sov must be paid, invaders repulsed. It is a memorial that must be maintained and can never simply become part of the scenery. Noobs will ask who was Vile Rat and his memory will live as long as the server is powered. Their is something beautiful in that.
This is a Goon torch to hold and I am sure they will do a brilliant job of holding it. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2517
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Posted - 2012.09.16 03:13:00 -
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Honestly after reading about exactly why Sean died, the sacrifice he made so that other men and women will be able to spend christmas with their children this year and for many years to come, after reading some of the stories people have shared about the guy. I gotta admit that any reluctance I had about CCP officially honoring the man in game are completely gone. Fact is their are certain members of this community that have done more for it than the majority of us ever will, Sean Smith was one of them, and on top of that he gave his life so that who knows how many others may live. The least we could do is immortalize him with some sort of pixels in the form of a monument, his favorite ship, something somewhere in the game. And so what if it sets a precedent, does anyone think Sean is gonna be the last great contributor of this game to ever pass away? Will people not want to honor other great contributors to our community such Chribba, Seleene, Shadoo, and others who's names I'm too new to know?
Fact is the guy deserves it, and the fact he was a Goon is beside the point, so I say let their be a monument, the only question is really what would be the most fitting, and what is CCP willing to create. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Ryhss
Android Gang Stealth Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2012.09.16 05:22:00 -
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I don't know who Vile was but I'd sign to change the name to VR-RIP. I'd add some numbers, like VR-RIP91212 or whatever his death date was. |
Lord Zim
1500
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Posted - 2012.09.16 11:36:00 -
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No. Renaming a whole solar system to commemorate Vile Rat, while touching, is going too far. The furthest we should go with this is a monument, and without knowing Vile Rat's personal thoughts on this, I think he'd appreciate it if it were put, not in Jita, but in a system such as Poitot. This way everyone could take a few hours out of their day once in a while to make a remembrance trip if they wanted to, while not tooting the horn too much.
Doing anything more than that would be overkill. |
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Brooks Puuntai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
743
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Posted - 2012.09.16 11:40:00 -
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Usually the smallest gestures have a big impact on remembering someone. Naming a system is a bit much, and as other have said sets a precedent. Doing something smaller like a named NPC named Vile Rat(or Sean Smith) in the NPE missions that tells the pilot "Every Rifter Counts" has a much lasting effect imo. You can add the "Every Rifter Counts, Little Bee" however I doubt that would go over well with some.
Granted I didn't know him personally, so not sure if he cared much for (non goon)newbies or the NPE. Just a thought. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
361
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Posted - 2012.09.16 11:50:00 -
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Nah, keep in-game and real-life seperate IMO. |
Dan Carter Murray
120
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Posted - 2012.09.16 12:29:00 -
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Everyone who wants a monument or system name change could instead donate real money to build a real monument in Libya outside the embassy.
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Umarillian
Dead poets society The Laughing Men
6
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Posted - 2012.09.16 14:59:00 -
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I personally disagree with using a system name for remembering the deceased. However, I would fully support the idea of using those dull "Quafe Signs" as memorials.
Either place a sign with the character's visage in one particular system or set up a non-intrusive loop so that all quafe signs will swap to display a memorial for a few hours out of the day.
All signs, random chance to show a memorial, random chance of a particular memorial out of all that have passed.
-Umarillian |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations
66
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Posted - 2012.09.16 15:04:00 -
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Umarillian wrote:I personally disagree with using a system name for remembering the deceased. However, I would fully support the idea of using those dull "Quafe Signs" as memorials.
Either place a sign with the character's visage in one particular system or set up a non-intrusive loop so that all quafe signs will swap to display a memorial for a few hours out of the day.
All signs, random chance to show a memorial, random chance of a particular memorial out of all that have passed.
-Umarillian
This is a neat idea.
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7'62 SKS
7.62
1
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Posted - 2012.09.16 15:29:00 -
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No.
Eve is a game, not a cemetery.
The player behind Vile Rat is no more important than any other player who dies, say, after a long battle with cancer.
Everyone is important to someone. |
Oxylan
Fuss Roo Dah
19
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Posted - 2012.09.17 00:56:00 -
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Soulpirate wrote:No to system renaming. This is a game we play to escape our daily routines, we dont need such reminders af the crappy real world while playing. Monument, sure, but get ready to have one erected for every EVE player that dies and has died and a **** storm of opinions on which death is worthy of recognition.
Remember him and feel for his family, but please don't start dragging that ****** world into the EVE world.
+1
Eve inside, as game, should be free form bad tragedy memorials etc, who remind foverer bad things, form real word, with respect to RIP Vile Rat and his famili, i dont want looking at sad memorial in jita every day that remind me every day this sad tragedy, guys realy Vile Rat stay in our memory even withaut memorials in game, or solar system with his name, like Soulpirate said "we dont need such reminders af the crappy real world while playing"
I vote for one day down time or extended downtime or somthing like this, but not memorials in game who bring bad memoris back. If it bleed we can kill it. |
Vadmir Terakov
State Commerce Collective
0
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:10:00 -
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No. No favoritism from CCP please.
If anything, add personal monuments to the game for corporations/alliances to deploy so this question will not be rehashed every time a player is deceased. Or input the ability to have corporations/alliances display (approved) ads and whatnot on the stargate TV's for a fair fee. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2782
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:14:00 -
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I can't help but wonder if it had been someone like Chribba who died would their even be a discussion? "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
51
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Posted - 2012.09.17 05:55:00 -
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Have the goons pick one TV screen at one gate in one nullsec system and VR face posted on it and if they ever loose sovereignty of that system then its gone. |
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Empress BJ
FOF Research
9
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Posted - 2012.09.17 07:35:00 -
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I would not object to a null system name currently held by goons to change to VR-SB2 (shoot blues 2)
This was not just anybody.....this was someone who changed the very face of EvE.
I also support the concept of having a memorial to all our fallen comrades near EvE Gate.
~E~
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
581
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Posted - 2012.09.17 08:30:00 -
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Many eve players have died, more will die. Soon every bloody system will have the name after one or another player if CCP goes down this route. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
ToXicPaIN
Souls of Steel Test Friends Please Ignore
37
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:11:00 -
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Here you can realy help
http://www.youcaring.com/fundraiser_details?fundraiser_id=9332&url=benefitforseansmithsfamily |
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