I disagree. If we do it for this departed soul, it sets a precedent to be done for others. I don't think it is appropriate or necessary.

There are many players in EVE who help shape what it is today, not just a select few.

a permanent monument in whatever system his toon is in right now would be fitting

I disagree. If we do it for this departed soul, it sets a precedent to be done for others. I don't think it is appropriate or necessary.

There are many players in EVE who help shape what it is today, not just a select few.

You disgust me personally.

Just had to say it.

Who are we [collectively] to decide who is more valuable than another? :shrug:

You're entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine.

The difference is, I don't resort to pettiness. I put forward a reason and invite debate. You can only offer vitriol.

Why are people fighting over what's supposed to be a memorial proposal for a well known and liked player in this game? Can you assholes put aside your nagging and nit picking for 5 minutes to be decent people?

You disgust me personally.

Just had to say it.

I too am disgusted. C'mon, the dude was even mentioned by THE SECRATARY OF STATE of the US, Hillary Clinton.

When these jerks 'pass' themselves, we will all be able to say "who 'dat?", at least. They must be jealous or something.

You call what I typed 'vitriol' ? Look up the REAL definition of that word. Talk about calling the kettle black...............

I agree with him and the only one acting improperly is you, but since you're emotionally unbalanced right now, I don't blame you. This isn't the first time someone from this community has died and no systems were renamed for them. I'm all for giving him a nice sendoff, but I don't think CCP should be filling the game with out-of-game memorials, let alone start playing favorites with such things. I don't want to see peoples deaths or memorials become a cause for arguing or tools for trolls to abuse. Just send the guy off with style and move on with life. The unfortunate reality is, that people die before their time for no good reasons. He isn't going to be the last influential person, that is going to die before this game closes down.

Sadly dozens of eve players are taken from us every year and for ccp to make a value judgement on the deceased would just be plain wrong.

I guess for some it will always be a case of "agree with me or I'll flame on", even in threads covering topics as poignant as this.

This I agree with.

No, he is right, you have soiled the entire thread with your reaction.

You, sir, have exaggerated yourself out of alll credibility.

In the Sandbox that is EVE, we can make our own memorials:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12


I respect your sentiment, but it's not appropriate in a video game. We'll remember him always, and knowing Goons, they'll always have some way to be sure he's never forgotten.

A while ago an Eve player passed away after a long fight with cancer and his friends decided to have an in-game gathering in his memory.

The event was of course attended by a number of idiots intent on disrupting things.

And that's why any sort of in-game memorial might not be such a good idea.

If we hold a ceremony in his name in nullsec, and players come to OUR SPACE to crash the party.... they will be met at the door by a nasty welcoming party. trust me.

signed. signed a thousand times for either the system name change or an in game station monument, or both.

As for "Player owned monuments" This sounds really nice at first, but as eve players We'd probably litter eve with them, or sully their meaning by finding some way to abuse them, for example to mess people up by jamming them in inconvenient places. But Nothing stops us from naming any thing that is anchorable in his honor. A station, a POS, a container. w/e you can anchor you can name in honor of the fallen.

signed. signed a thousand times for either the system name change or an in game station monument, or both.

As for "Player owned monuments" This sounds really nice at first, but as eve players We'd probably litter eve with them, or sully their meaning by finding some way to abuse them, for example to mess people up by jamming them in inconvenient places. But Nothing stops us from naming any thing that is anchorable in his honor. A station, a POS, a container. w/e you can anchor you can name in honor of the fallen.

I petitioned for a monument in his memory but that got locked apparently because it is too similar to this request. Either way...monument, system name change or both. I am all for it. He deserves to be remembered. He did a lot to shape EVE.

I understand that people think this will just set a precedent that could be abused in the future.

a permanent monument in whatever system his toon is in right now would be fitting

This I agree with.

a permanent monument in whatever system his toon is in right now would be fitting

In the Sandbox that is EVE, we can make our own memorials:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12


I respect your sentiment, but it's not appropriate in a video game. We'll remember him always, and knowing Goons, they'll always have some way to be sure he's never forgotten.

Is it possible that the in game monument could possess the names of mains that have passed? Not only would it be a tribute to VR, but a tribute to all the other people who have been capsuleers and passed on.

Not being confrontational here but what about the hundreds of other pilots who have lost their lives to some tragedy? It wouldn't be proper to honour the memory of one and not the rest. And to say Vile Rats achievements make him worthy of it, that's subjective, I didn't know him so I can't judge, though.

That said, I wouldn't disagree to a statue in orbit of a planet or something, just not renaming a system.

Also, if EVE-Cemetery is still running I'd suggest everyone donate the corpses of Vile Rat to it.. if there are any corpses.

This is the most fitting than naming a whole system (which given the response from people isn't want they want).

Perhaps take a look at his current ship & fittings, and make a statue/monument for it with his in-game name and a brief "why he means something" for players who do not know of his role in the EVE universe.

That would be the most fitting in my opinion.

then go ahead and step up for them instead complaining that people do here

We are human beings, and we make value judgements all day long.

I didn't know either of you personally, but I'd vote VR was more valuable than you.

Remember the Teskanen Station Memorial Library from Clear Skies 3...? How about something similar, if possible..

For example, a dedicated place in space, with a main structure and one small nearby structure for every capsuleer, for every player that we know has passed away, similar to those multi-part sleeper buildings.
Each individual structure would bear the name of the deceased and the info would allow for a few lines about who he was to the community and those that called him friend.

How about a EVE wide cease fire and meeting in a designated system?

How about a EVE wide cease fire and meeting in a designated system?

I can't really speak for him, but his reputation would suggest a cease fire is the last thing he would want for this game.

Remember the Teskanen Station Memorial Library from Clear Skies 3...? How about something similar, if possible..

For example, a dedicated place in space, with a main structure and one small nearby structure for every capsuleer, for every player that we know has passed away, similar to those multi-part sleeper buildings.
Each individual structure would bear the name of the deceased and the info would allow for a few lines about who he was to the community and those that called him friend.

I can't really speak for him, but his reputation would suggest a cease fire is the last thing he would want for this game.

Best idea in this thread was the deadspace pocket next to the EVE gate that would operate as a sort of IRL graveyard for EVE players who passed on.

It's poetic and wouldn't affect gameplay in any real way. The EVE gate is the most tangible "connection" between the EVE universe and our own - the point where our universe got severed from the game universe. I like the thought of memorializing anyone who played EVE by giving them a virtual resting place just on the far side of the EVE gate - as if, in death, a small part of them passed on, and made it into the EVE universe itself.

Best idea in this thread was the deadspace pocket next to the EVE gate that would operate as a sort of IRL graveyard for EVE players who passed on.

It's poetic and wouldn't affect gameplay in any real way. The EVE gate is the most tangible "connection" between the EVE universe and our own - the point where our universe got severed from the game universe. I like the thought of memorializing anyone who played EVE by giving them a virtual resting place just on the far side of the EVE gate - as if, in death, a small part of them passed on, and made it into the EVE universe itself.

Best idea in this thread was the deadspace pocket next to the EVE gate that would operate as a sort of IRL graveyard for EVE players who passed on.

It's poetic and wouldn't affect gameplay in any real way. The EVE gate is the most tangible "connection" between the EVE universe and our own - the point where our universe got severed from the game universe. I like the thought of memorializing anyone who played EVE by giving them a virtual resting place just on the far side of the EVE gate - as if, in death, a small part of them passed on, and made it into the EVE universe itself.

Best idea in this thread was the deadspace pocket next to the EVE gate that would operate as a sort of IRL graveyard for EVE players who passed on.

It's poetic and wouldn't affect gameplay in any real way. The EVE gate is the most tangible "connection" between the EVE universe and our own - the point where our universe got severed from the game universe. I like the thought of memorializing anyone who played EVE by giving them a virtual resting place just on the far side of the EVE gate - as if, in death, a small part of them passed on, and made it into the EVE universe itself.

Would probably want an all out out last man standing battle

Like it, have seen a few members of the Eve community pass away over the years. This would be a nice little memorial.

Or as most pod pilots real id's are anonymous, how about one memorial somewhere to the "unknown pod pilot", to mark all of those that have touched our community and passed on.

Tal

I disagree. If we do it for this departed soul, it sets a precedent to be done for others. I don't think it is appropriate or necessary.

There are many players in EVE who help shape what it is today, not just a select few.

i really don't see a problem with setting this precedent. EVE would be more real if we had monuments to real players that impacted the game in grand ways. Or naming systems for that matter, it would be much like the naming of modern states and nations.

not to mention, this would probably be an enormous conflict driver, and there are few mmo's out there that could pull this off. by that i mean there are few mmo's out there in which players would truly care enough to defend. Talk about having something to fight over; can you imagine how hard an alliance would fight to keep control over a system named after a fallen comrade? i'm willing to bet that for those that have everything, this would be priceless.

perhaps ccp could introduce a process for nominating a player named system or monument. with enough support a null-sec system could be named after the person's character. i think its key to have the system/station/monument be conquerable.

just a few thoughts anyways...

oh yeah, i support this!

No. Just no. What Rashmika Clavain said. Playing EVE for me is to escape reality, just as I assume it is for everyone else. So a constant reminder of real life would just plain suck. If you really want to make an impact on his EVE career then just post here or on another thread and let go. Its a part of life to accept death.

First of all; a tragic event, in a world filled with equally tragic events. But this is a game. I don't want to be reminded of rl religious hate and terrorism when I log in to EVE.

If goons want to make an in-game remembrance of one of their dead comrades let them give his toon a spanking medal, a glorious title or rename all their stations in his memory. Even rename all their ships in his memory for the rest of the game's existence.

Goons wanting special care taken for the passing of one of their own isn't really all that fitting; goons haven't exactly been overly sympathetic with other players rl strife and tragedy in the past.

Goons wanting special care taken for the passing of one of their own isn't really all that fitting; goons haven't exactly been overly sympathetic with other players rl strife and tragedy in the past.

Best idea in this thread was the deadspace pocket next to the EVE gate that would operate as a sort of IRL graveyard for EVE players who passed on.

It's poetic and wouldn't affect gameplay in any real way. The EVE gate is the most tangible "connection" between the EVE universe and our own - the point where our universe got severed from the game universe. I like the thought of memorializing anyone who played EVE by giving them a virtual resting place just on the far side of the EVE gate - as if, in death, a small part of them passed on, and made it into the EVE universe itself.

his main being in a Erebus, a titan-monument sitting wherever goons want it to be would be pretty fit

First of all; a tragic event, in a world filled with equally tragic events. But this is a game. I don't want to be reminded of rl religious hate and terrorism when I log in to EVE.

If goons want to make an in-game remembrance of one of their dead comrades let them give his toon a spanking medal, a glorious title or rename all their stations in his memory. Even rename all their ships in his memory for the rest of the game's existence.

Goons wanting special care taken for the passing of one of their own isn't really all that fitting; goons haven't exactly been overly sympathetic with other players rl strife and tragedy in the past.

Players who've died out of game have never been awarded CCP endorsed monuments to keep arguments over favouritism out of the game.

Why is it that goons go to extreme measures to mock the death of other players and even getting on stage demanding action be taken to cause someone to kill themselves... but when one of their own dies, it is serious business??

How about you guys treat all death with respect and don't harrass those grieving.

How about player-owned monuments?

perhaps if anyone has a Vile Rat Corpse, and any corpse of other eve players that have since passed away give them to a CCP DEV who could put it in a non destructable Space Grave yard in one of the High Sec systems near Jita

If a "memorial" precedent of system naming began, and people continue being mortal, it would put CCP in the odious business of having to decide which deceased players were worth commemorating, and which ones are not. People might take those kind of decisions personally to say the least.

1 monument
in jita
the names of every eve player who has passed on in the description
it never leaves, just gets updated

No. I say this from the point of view of even having a Navy Seal close friend who played E-O and died, in-service to their country. Leave RL ---> that way :outside game: Enjoy Eve as the game and RL get away it is. Sorry for your loss and the loss of a dedicated Eve-online player. R.I.P VR

Ivory

Remember the Teskanen Station Memorial Library from Clear Skies 3...? How about something similar, if possible..

For example, a dedicated place in space, with a main structure and one small nearby structure for every capsuleer, for every player that we know has passed away, similar to those multi-part sleeper buildings.
Each individual structure would bear the name of the deceased and the info would allow for a few lines about who he was to the community and those that called him friend.

Imagine if the game is available still in say, 50 years and Chribba finally dies of old age?

I was gonna suggest a meeting with a 10min cease fire and then a free for all... But wasn't sure if it was being disrespectful or not.

Dear CCP


There are a few players in this game who have shaped our game to what it is today.

Vile Rat was one such person and this morning we learned of his passing, a very sad loss to this community.

Please would you give your consideration to change a system name to VR-RIP. This name was mentioned by Prador in Viles Rip post.

I think this would be a fitting tribute to a player like VR

Thanks for your time


Please sign below if you want to support this idea

1 monument
in jita
the names of every eve player who has passed on in the description
it never leaves, just gets updated

Just rename whole Eve online to Vile Rat online. Also there should be 30m statue of Vile rat in the center of Reykjavik. Client should aslo remind you "RIP VR" every time you undock, dock, refit, gate jump, loggin and logoff. SIGNED//

I like this idea. Very classy.

The best idea I have seen about putting up a monument for VR was rewriting the description on the Diplomacy Skillbook.

Not everyone travels through a system with a monument, but pretty much everyone has the Diplomacy skill injected.

This I agree with.

This.

Why is it that goons go to extreme measures to mock the death of other players and even getting on stage demanding action be taken to cause someone to kill themselves... but when one of their own dies, it is serious business??

How about you guys treat all death with respect and don't harrass those grieving.

I think a memorial to all pilots that have passed on would be good rather than an individual one, Some like VR (RIP) are known to the community, but many others will slip away quietly not having been as well known. Something to remember them all would be good. A little monument to mark all those that have passed on in a quite corner of EvE.


Tal

My personal opinion, as an EVE player, is that this is a great idea. Perhaps have one in each of the four main trade hubs, that way everyone can see one.

Interesting...

Someone earlier thought it was bad to judge individuals on their actions or behavior, but it's OK to judge entire groups of people based on the actions of other members of the group? I think not.

Actually, it is *this* type of thinking that leads to the violence that started the protests, riots and deaths. It's this type of thinking that starts most wars.

Ascribing the actions of one to the entire group he belongs to, and transferring your hatred for one onto the others of the group is at the root of the problem.

i support this as well......

Rather than Jita, how about back in New Eden, with the EVE Gate in the background. Kinda symbolising that these players have "returned" to Earth.

What do you mean finally? Although noone would want a 120yr old playing a spaceship game I think...

What do you mean finally? Although noone would want a 120yr old playing a spaceship game I think...

We are human beings, and we make value judgements all day long.

I didn't know either of you personally, but I'd vote VR was more valuable than you.

I dont know you or VR at all. but I vote my best friend who saved my life one day to be more valuable.

This crap is getting out of hand.

To be fair, I think that this thread, which I was just linked back to in game during discussion over Sean pretty much closes the argument on monuments within Eve for people who've passed away in real life.

I'm personally of the opinion that if any monument is to be created within Eve for anyone, it should be player funded, player created and player maintained, such is the way of the sandbox.

Interesting...

Someone earlier thought it was bad to judge individuals on their actions or behavior, but it's OK to judge entire groups of people based on the actions of other members of the group? I think not.

Actually, it is *this* type of thinking that leads to the violence that started the protests, riots and deaths. It's this type of thinking that starts most wars.

Ascribing the actions of one to the entire group he belongs to, and transferring your hatred for one onto the others of the group is at the root of the problem.

Two wrongs don't make a right. But the reputation that goons have built is not out of accident. They (as in goons) thrive on the grief of others. So much so they've gone out of their way to ridicule victims of suicide attacks and death of other people through their silly "jihad" campaigns, mockeries, or other distasteful foolishness. And it may be the case that not all goons participate in these "events". But if they're going to wear the "goon" tag they need to understand the perception it brings on them as a group. the same way, say a *** member, needs to understand the perception that is brought on him by merely being a member of the group.

With that said, what happend to Sean is very tragic and unfortunate and I can only hope that his family and loved ones are able to cope and carry on quickly, especially his children. This community has come together to show its support of a fallen and fellow player, which on its own is quite amazing. A monument doesn't sound like a bad idea, although renaming a system, in my opinion, may be setting up an unfair precedent.

Maybe!

Besides, I think the best monument to a fallen EVE player is an Officer fit Titan wreck on a low sec gate

Well said. I suggest everyone to read up on the full history of a group and the kind of activities they do before joining them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM7Rj-As1-s

Anyone care to explain this?

Signed.


CCP - Please do this for our fallen hero!! He has had a massive influence on this game, this sandbox, this life, that we know as Eve-Online.

Two wrongs don't make a right. But the reputation that goons have built is not out of accident. They (as in goons) thrive on the grief of others. So much so they've gone out of their way to ridicule victims of suicide attacks and death of other people through their silly "jihad" campaigns, mockeries, or other distasteful foolishness. And it may be the case that not all goons participate in these "events". But if they're going to wear the "goon" tag they need to understand the perception it brings on them as a group. the same way, say a *** member, needs to understand the perception that is brought on him by merely being a member of the group.

Maybe!

My initial reaction is based upon the application of value to the deceased. I think all are equal in death, yet to start naming systems after an individual attaches a value to said individual.

Who are we [collectively] to decide who is more valuable than another? :shrug:

Besides, I think the best monument to a fallen EVE player is an Officer fit Titan wreck on a low sec gate

Ninja Edit:

I recall some chap from a corp called the Channel 4 news Team (or something) passed away. They celebrated his life by dropping six Moms into Tama resulting in a massive pewpew fest. That's the way to be remembered, and in fact, proof is in the pudding. I do remember him nad the event.

In the Sandbox that is EVE, we can make our own memorials:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12


I respect your sentiment, but it's not appropriate in a video game. We'll remember him always, and knowing Goons, they'll always have some way to be sure he's never forgotten.

I personally disagree with using a system name for remembering the deceased. However, I would fully support the idea of using those dull "Quafe Signs" as memorials.

Either place a sign with the character's visage in one particular system or set up a non-intrusive loop so that all quafe signs will swap to display a memorial for a few hours out of the day.

All signs, random chance to show a memorial, random chance of a particular memorial out of all that have passed.


-Umarillian

No to system renaming. This is a game we play to escape our daily routines, we dont need such reminders af the crappy real world while playing. Monument, sure, but get ready to have one erected for every EVE player that dies and has died and a **** storm of opinions on which death is worthy of recognition.

Remember him and feel for his family, but please don't start dragging that ****** world into the EVE world.