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DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:07:00 - [91] In the UK, one "Group" owns about 15 IT companys. That "Group" Tenders 15 bids for it services... That "Group" often wins.. It's not fair, it happens IRL, CCP isnt to blame. If you want to *****, do it at the corps in question. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! !
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:16:00 - [92] Originally by: DeODokktor In the UK, one "Group" owns about 15 IT companys. That "Group" Tenders 15 bids for it services... That "Group" often wins.. It's not fair, it happens IRL, CCP isnt to blame. If you want to ***, do it at the corps in question. CCP are the hosting party of this event. CCP are the ones advertising the tournament CCP set the rules of this tournament CCP are the ones producing a event like this CCP are the responsible for this tournament CCP are the ones that keep their mouth shut ,after this **up!!
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:38:00 - [93] Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 21/06/2011 12:39:04 Originally by: Patient 2428190 Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 21/06/2011 12:01:58 Originally by: Dr Djago CCP Soundwave FFS, stop dancing around the bushes just told us something will be changed for next year to stop some of the community anger. And remember you too were getting shafted along side with rest of 28,000 players. He's not getting shafted. Neither is CCP. The entire event was a giant **ing commericial for micro transcations and trying to play damage control on their less popular dev blogs. What happens on grid is at best, a nonfactor to them. For all CCP cares, every single team could have T1 industrials. Originally by:** Doctor Ungabungas CCP paid a fortune to show it. It flew a bunch of people to iceland and put them up for 2 weeks. Assigned staff to code the site, and administer the event. That **** don't cost a dollar. Its easy to spend money when you know its a giant commercial for your new game and your new micro transaction store. Its not about the fights by a long shot. If it was, why was only 50% of the tournament covered? Of course it is about the fights. If it wasn't, why has the whole debacle been buried? They went from heaps of advertising momentum to complete radio silence. Even now, the only nod to the final is a short ISD article. Like I said earlier, they didn't spend all that money to advertise eve to people who already play eve and now they've got nothing that they can use. I mean, they could try to splice some exciting footage out of the final battle but we'd all call them on out on it before it even made it to the news sites. Whether you like it or not, our illustrious AT IX finalists did some real damage to CCP here and whether you think it's a terrible shame or just terribly funny, it's something worth acknowledging.
flapie 2 Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:48:00 - [94] I for one still think that CCP should consider taking action, seeing as so manny people replyed to all the AT screwup topics. Would be verry bad for the next AT iff they dint, specially after the talk that has been going on for a couple of years now.
Mr R4nd0m	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:51:00 - [95] Edited by: Mr R4nd0m on 21/06/2011 12:51:57 Originally by: CCP Soundwave Originally by: Acac Sunflyier I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance. I think you're right, we don't at all need to have a stance and an opinion about matches. We do on the other hand evaluate the ruleset after each tournament, based on those matches. It would be fair to say that up until now, we've been able to have a relatively open ruleset and still provide good entertainment to the viewers. Most things that are left open like this, are left open until someone inevitably crosses the line and you have to revisit that openness. Will we need to revisit the rules based on what happened this year? Probably, but we won't know for sure for another year :) You wont know for sure for another year?!! - are you taking the pi$$? Its was a joke..and seems you guys are becoming one too...! They should of been stripped of all prizes - no ifs no butts
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:02:00 - [96] Originally by: Mr R4nd0m Edited by: Mr R4nd0m on 21/06/2011 12:51:57 Originally by: CCP Soundwave Originally by: Acac Sunflyier I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance. I think you're right, we don't at all need to have a stance and an opinion about matches. We do on the other hand evaluate the ruleset after each tournament, based on those matches. It would be fair to say that up until now, we've been able to have a relatively open ruleset and still provide good entertainment to the viewers. Most things that are left open like this, are left open until someone inevitably crosses the line and you have to revisit that openness. Will we need to revisit the rules based on what happened this year? Probably, but we won't know for sure for another year :) You wont know for sure for another year?!! - are you taking the pi$$? Its was a joke..and seems you guys are becoming one too...! They should of been stripped of all prizes - no ifs no butts nah they can,t do that!!! We may not like it,but Hydra and their Outbreak-sheep did it all within the tournaments rules and f**ked EVE and CCP and a large part of the community with winning the tournament the way they did. So AT9 will go in EVEhistorie as the big Tournamentgate ------> AT9gate the worst thing about this is the silence from CCP
Dr Lebroi	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:05:00 - [97] CCP need to clean house on this or it's unlikely the tournament will have a future. Eve is already rife with meta gaming and exploitations that exist and take place outside the sandbox. It ruins immersion and spoils the game. One thing these people will realise is that winning without playing fair or by bending the rules delivers a very hollow victory. All games are enjoyed most when you perform at your best within the pre-defined parameters. In fact, rules were invented to make games MORE enjoyable and more satisfying as they provide challenges to overcome and ways to test your own abilites. By navigating around the rules you only serve to remove the pleasure from the experience and cheapen your achievments. The tornament rocks and the coverage is class but this is a very low point for it I'm afraid.
Voith	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:08:00 - [98] Originally by: Bloodpetal Originally by: CCP Soundwave Originally by: Acac Sunflyier I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance. I think you're right, we don't at all need to have a stance and an opinion about matches. We do on the other hand evaluate the ruleset after each tournament, based on those matches. It would be fair to say that up until now, we've been able to have a relatively open ruleset and still provide good entertainment to the viewers. Most things that are left open like this, are left open until someone inevitably crosses the line and you have to revisit that openness. Will we need to revisit the rules based on what happened this year? Probably, but we won't know for sure for another year :) I'm sure your real prize Sponsors won't be so amused - I wouldn't be, and this whole "it's EVE" thing isn't cutting it. Your viewers think you should be embarrassed about the outcome because they see it as a disgrace to the tournaments integrity. The fact that you didn't have an after fight discussion about it that is memorable, there wasn't really any amused smiling laughing, enjoyable moment. There was no, "Let us get the whole EVE TV Crew on deck and in front of the camera" like you have done every other year to celebrate the outcome is telling. Your stance is pretty clear - and I think you need to take action on it for the integrity of the tournament this year and next. Not seeing what the lack of action is going to have on next year's tournament is clearly going against the wisdom and history of years of prior sports competition in the REAL WORLD - you want to say "EVE IS REAL" then you better deal with real consequences. "EVE" reflects the real world - there is nothing amazing or "meta-game" about the outcome. It was cheap and weak. Everyone feels like this - anyone who is amused has a childish and short-sighted attitude. It's not that people take the tournament "too-seriously" it's that people have an inherent sense of integrity - no matter how close they are to a subject in seriousness. And the Tournament has lost its integrity. You're pretty clueless. The tournament has always been about metagaming. Slipping the opposing FC a few bill to call bad primaries is beyond normal. Paying for spies to tell you what setup they are bringing is standard.
Sun Ra Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:14:00 - [99] Before the final CCP: Metagaming is awesome, this could only happen in eve online folks!! After final CCP: AHUH AHUH AHUH AHUH
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:22:00 - [100] Edited by: Jos Wijnants on 21/06/2011 13:22:21 Originally by: Voith Originally by: Bloodpetal Originally by: CCP Soundwave Originally by: Acac Sunflyier I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance. I think you're right, we don't at all need to have a stance and an opinion about matches. We do on the other hand evaluate the ruleset after each tournament, based on those matches. It would be fair to say that up until now, we've been able to have a relatively open ruleset and still provide good entertainment to the viewers. Most things that are left open like this, are left open until someone inevitably crosses the line and you have to revisit that openness. Will we need to revisit the rules based on what happened this year? Probably, but we won't know for sure for another year :) I'm sure your real prize Sponsors won't be so amused - I wouldn't be, and this whole "it's EVE" thing isn't cutting it. Your viewers think you should be embarrassed about the outcome because they see it as a disgrace to the tournaments integrity. The fact that you didn't have an after fight discussion about it that is memorable, there wasn't really any amused smiling laughing, enjoyable moment. There was no, "Let us get the whole EVE TV Crew on deck and in front of the camera" like you have done every other year to celebrate the outcome is telling. Your stance is pretty clear - and I think you need to take action on it for the integrity of the tournament this year and next. Not seeing what the lack of action is going to have on next year's tournament is clearly going against the wisdom and history of years of prior sports competition in the REAL WORLD - you want to say "EVE IS REAL" then you better deal with real consequences. "EVE" reflects the real world - there is nothing amazing or "meta-game" about the outcome. It was cheap and weak. Everyone feels like this - anyone who is amused has a childish and short-sighted attitude. It's not that people take the tournament "too-seriously" it's that people have an inherent sense of integrity - no matter how close they are to a subject in seriousness. And the Tournament has lost its integrity. You're pretty clueless. The tournament has always been about metagaming. Slipping the opposing FC a few bill to call bad primaries is beyond normal. Paying for spies to tell you what setup they are bringing is standard. spying to know what your opponents strengths are is not what i have a problem with. Hydra winning the game to let their Outbreakpets loose the game ,even when it was clear they won the match already by decimating 70% of Hydras so called super Vindicator team,there is the problem CCP could not or did not do nothing against itand by by keeping their mouth shut they embrace these kind of actions and therefore making a possible AT 10 not trustworthy. i simply can,t believe that CCP is happy about this,but keeping silence make me believe they are.
Dr Lebroi	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:37:00 - [101] Originally by: Sun Ra Before the final CCP: Metagaming is awesome, this could only happen in eve online folks!! After final CCP: Fair point, CCP are certainly partially responsible as they encourage players to 'explore all options' but they now need to draw a line under this and put some rules in place for the next one. The players also need to take responsibility for delivering a good tournament played fairly and not just an excercise in out of the box thinking of how you can circumnavigate the rules. The problem with meta-gaming is it has no logical end point and once you start doing it, you stop playing Eve the game like the bulk of the playerbase play it and you start playing some other type of experience which is more about the exploitation of flaws in order to get stuff. Strictly speaking, the interruption of someones internet access during a match or getting someone drunk before a match would count as meta gaming and could be considered as valid tactics if the aim was just to win at all costs. I think the tournament should be about more than just winning though. It should be a show piece for the game, a celebration for the playerbase and the chance to watch some of the game's top PVP'er in action. If CCP can get back to that, then I think all will be OK.
Medidranda Livoga	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:40:00 - [102] Well, you could always have punishment for blatant wrongdoings. Getting your main characters biomassed would probably get rid of more obvious attempts.
Erik CoolBreeze Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:41:00 - [103] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze Don't know much about the AT, did people have to pay to watch it? If not, stop the boohoo pls. CCP paid a fortune to show it. It flew a bunch of people to iceland and put them up for 2 weeks. Assigned staff to code the site, and administer the event. That **** don't cost a dollar. Not you though, right?
Gillaboo	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:45:00 - [104] To describe the Final in AT9 as being "theatrical", is just about right -- because it was. Whether you like it or not, this is EVE... and players are supposed to be devious and sneaky. And he what be more sneaky and devious than you, wins. End of debate.
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:54:00 - [105] Originally by: Gillaboo To describe the Final in AT9 as being "theatrical", is just about right -- because it was. Whether you like it or not, this is EVE... and players are supposed to be devious and sneaky. And he what be more sneaky and devious than you, wins. End of debate. Tournament is not EVE ,PERIOD!!!...............
Erik CoolBreeze Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:59:00 - [106] Edited by: Erik CoolBreeze on 21/06/2011 13:59:51 Originally by: Jos Wijnants Originally by: Gillaboo To describe the Final in AT9 as being "theatrical", is just about right -- because it was. Whether you like it or not, this is EVE... and players are supposed to be devious and sneaky. And he what be more sneaky and devious than you, wins. End of debate. Tournament is not EVE ,PERIOD!!!............... Hosted by CCP - CHECK Need eve sub - CHECK Need eve client - CHECK Myea, not eve at all.
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:06:00 - [107] Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze Edited by: Erik CoolBreeze on 21/06/2011 13:59:51 Originally by: Jos Wijnants Originally by: Gillaboo To describe the Final in AT9 as being "theatrical", is just about right -- because it was. Whether you like it or not, this is EVE... and players are supposed to be devious and sneaky. And he what be more sneaky and devious than you, wins. End of debate. Tournament is not EVE ,PERIOD!!!............... Hosted by CCP - CHECK Need eve sub - CHECK Need eve client - CHECK Myea, not eve at all. yeah you are right ,replied in the wrong way. At least i confess when i do something wrong. (hint,CCP?) Of course its EVE ,but not in your neighborhood 0.0 lowsec or even highsec spaces we all know But an Event apart from daily EVE therefore differs from the EVE we all know And therefore liked by many,until AT9gate
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:32:00 - [108] Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze Don't know much about the AT, did people have to pay to watch it? If not, stop the boohoo pls. CCP paid a fortune to show it. It flew a bunch of people to iceland and put them up for 2 weeks. Assigned staff to code the site, and administer the event. That **** don't cost a dollar. Not you though, right? no not him,but he wanted to see it. i mean a real tournament
Mouthy Misses	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:43:00 - [109] All ccp had to do was punish the teams responcible, dont payout the prizes, go to the teams in 3rd and 4th give them the prizes it wont happen again after that, simple
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:47:00 - [110] Originally by: Mouthy Misses All ccp had to do was punish the teams responcible, dont payout the prizes, go to the teams in 3rd and 4th give them the prizes it wont happen again after that, simple No they can,t ,because to do so you have to have rules to back a decision like that up. but it doesn,t matter much for AT9 now ,because AT9 is over. What matters is: CCP,s silence and AT 10
Messy Beaver	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:51:00 - [111] lol at all the people talking about the damage to the public image of CCP in all of this. There were some of us who were asking for coverage of the 5v5 matches. CCP refused stating they couldn't do it due to quality reasons. They also refused to let the community do it because the "low quality" wouldn't be the shiny advert they wanted for prospective new customers. By all means use the tournament as a marketing tool rather than a community event. Just don't start whining when you don't get the desired outcome you were depending on.
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:58:00 - [112] Originally by: Messy Beaver By all means use the tournament as a marketing tool rather than a community event. Just don't start whining when you don't get the desired outcome you were depending on. They did tried it to use it as a marketing tool,considering the sponsors they used. But if you want AT9 as marketing tool ,well i would not
Messy Beaver	Posted - 2011.06.21 15:00:00 - [113] Originally by: Jos Wijnants Originally by: Messy Beaver By all means use the tournament as a marketing tool rather than a community event. Just don't start whining when you don't get the desired outcome you were depending on. They did tried it to use it as a marketing tool,considering the sponsors they used. But if you want AT9 as marketing tool ,well i would not Translation in lost
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:13:00 - [114] well i stop with this ranting from now on. CCP will not ever share their thoughts about AT9gate They don,t want to loose face more then they already have too bad i don,t care if they did AT9gate is over and soon to be forgotten. but i hoped to see some replies from CCP. In my eyes they let this years tournament down and maybe next years AT10 CCP have shown some weakness here
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:55:00 - [115] Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze Don't know much about the AT, did people have to pay to watch it? If not, stop the boohoo pls. CCP paid a fortune to show it. It flew a bunch of people to iceland and put them up for 2 weeks. Assigned staff to code the site, and administer the event. That **** don't cost a dollar. Not you though, right? No. If it had been me spending $100 grand to hold an internet spaceship tournament that ended like this, I'd probably be pretty mad. I'm not pretty mad, I just want to get CCP on the record because schadenfreude is the best. I guess they have more on their mind right now though, like the cost of monocles.
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:56:00 - [116] couldn,t help help it so much about incarna going on so i bump this one
Ospie The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:02:00 - [117] That blue bar's going to catch everyone before they read the actual title (which I did before I clicked fyi)
Bloodpetal Mimidae Risk Solutions	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:03:00 - [118] Yup, let's not forget the week of CCP horrible PR. ____________________________________________________ Bastet :: Captain
I Love Boobies Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:05:00 - [119] Originally by: Jos Wijnants couldn,t help help it so much about incarna going on so i bump this one CCP Alt? Trying to get people's attention drawn away from Incarna by bumping this one?
Jos Wijnants Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:08:00 - [120] Originally by: I Love Boobies Originally by: Jos Wijnants couldn,t help help it so much about incarna going on so i bump this one CCP Alt? Trying to get people's attention drawn away from Incarna by bumping this one? Really you can trust me look in my eyes and you know i am honest

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