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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1960
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:42:00 -
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Rats wrote:Ensign X wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:I thought folks were all about the "emergent gameplay".  "They" are, but only when "they" make the decision about how, when and where the "emergent gameplay" takes place. Don't see what emergent game play has to do with real life tragedy ? Tal
You guys act like JFK died all over again and don't expect someone to try and take advantage of that?
Do you remember what game you're playing?
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Jack Traynor
1121 Holdings
1121 Ventures
50
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:42:00 -
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Nothing any of us players can do about sh!thead douchebags doing this kind of thing except
MAKE HIS EVE LIFE MISERABLE WITHIN GAME RULES |
Ensign X
178
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ensign X wrote:Definitely not white-knighting the guy, but definitely his right to scam Fortunately, CCP disagrees with you. He has every right to scam people. He does not have the right to falsely represent RL-charities.
What RL charity? There is no "Vile Rat Foundation" outside of this one dude in EVE Online. He's not misrepresenting anybody or anything. That "thing" would need to already exist for it to be misrepresented. Again, you're reaching. |
Jack Traynor
1121 Holdings
1121 Ventures
50
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:43:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Rats wrote:Ensign X wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:I thought folks were all about the "emergent gameplay". "They" are, but only when "they" make the decision about how, when and where the "emergent gameplay" takes place. Don't see what emergent game play has to do with real life tragedy ? Tal You guys act like JFK died all over again and don't expect someone to try and take advantage of that? Do you remember what game you're playing?
Gaming is one thing. Behaving like a complete scumbag is another. |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force
Fatal Ascension
278
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Beat me to it.
+1
Just saw the jabber ping about him.
What a piece of trash human being
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya
R.I.P Vile Rat
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12 |
Qorvis Communications
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Isabelle Fleise wrote:I wonder if this is bannable. Probably not. It's distasteful, but not actually scamming related to a CCP-organised charity drive. It is. It breaks EULA -º2b about impersonation and false representation.
that only applies if the person is pretending to be vile rat himself. |
Ensign X
178
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:44:00 -
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Qorvis Communications wrote:Tippia wrote:Isabelle Fleise wrote:I wonder if this is bannable. Probably not. It's distasteful, but not actually scamming related to a CCP-organised charity drive. It is. It breaks EULA -º2b about impersonation and false representation. that only applies if the person is pretending to be vile rat himself.
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Ensign X
181
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:45:00 -
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Jack Traynor wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Rats wrote:Ensign X wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:I thought folks were all about the "emergent gameplay". "They" are, but only when "they" make the decision about how, when and where the "emergent gameplay" takes place. Don't see what emergent game play has to do with real life tragedy ? Tal You guys act like JFK died all over again and don't expect someone to try and take advantage of that? Do you remember what game you're playing? Gaming is one thing. Behaving like a complete scumbag is another.
Welcome to EVE Online, where a vast number of people spend entire days behaving like complete scumbags. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2121
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:45:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Do you remember what game you're playing?
Most of the people playing this game know when the game ends and RL starts. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1962
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Do you remember what game you're playing? Most of the people playing this game know when the game ends and RL starts.
Just let it be. [trollface]
Someone is scamming the scammers in memory of someone who I get the impression was a notorious scammer himself... welcome to EVE.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9481
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:46:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:What RL charity? There is no "Vile Rat Foundation" outside of this one dude in EVE Online. GǪand right there is the misrepresentation, as with all similar cases in the past. As a result, he is now gone.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Ensign X
181
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Do you remember what game you're playing? Most of the people playing this game know when the game ends and RL starts.
Clearly the people who are calling for in-game monuments, memorials and charities are among the list of those who do not know when the game ends and RL starts. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:47:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Rats wrote:Ensign X wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:I thought folks were all about the "emergent gameplay". "They" are, but only when "they" make the decision about how, when and where the "emergent gameplay" takes place. Don't see what emergent game play has to do with real life tragedy ? Tal You guys act like JFK died all over again and don't expect someone to try and take advantage of that? Do you remember what game you're playing?
I don't know VR and I'm not a Goons fan, but as a human being a feel for the loss of his family, especially in such a senseless way, and the lack of respect being shown by a few scum bags is out of order. Imagine it was your loss.
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
451
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:49:00 -
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Yeah. Basically, what the **** is wrong with some of you people? |
Ensign X
181
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ensign X wrote:What RL charity? There is no "Vile Rat Foundation" outside of this one dude in EVE Online. GǪand right there is the misrepresentation, as with all similar cases in the past. As a result, he is now gone.
Really? I just donated 1 ISK to the character "Vile Rat Foundation". Tell us more about misrepresentation. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1428
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:53:00 -
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What's ironic is that Vile Rat wasn't allowed to scam :( |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9481
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:53:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Clearly the people who are calling for in-game monuments, memorials and charities are among the list of those who do not know when the game ends and RL starts. GǪso you think the Jita statue and all the AT ships and all similar community memorabilia should be removed as well?
No. They know where the game ends, which is why they're treating this as if, you know, a real person died and are asking for a demonstration of respect, as opposed to those sick fucks who treats that this is just another game event.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1962
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ensign X wrote:Clearly the people who are calling for in-game monuments, memorials and charities are among the list of those who do not know when the game ends and RL starts. GǪso you think the Jita statue and all the AT ships and all similar community memorabilia should be removed as well? No. They know where the game ends, which is why they're treating this as if, you know, a real person died and are asking for a demonstration of respect, as opposed to those sick fucks who treats that this is just another game event. And how many topics do we require to show that "demonstration of respect"? If you don't want this treated like a game event, stop trying to make it a game event.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Isabelle Fleise
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:55:00 -
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This is just a thread full of double standards. |
Azdan Amith
Order of Light's Retribution
312
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:56:00 -
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Yes, there is a difference between RL and the game.
That's not the point.
The point is the principle. Even if it's not a violation of the EULA, the player of Vile Rat Foundation is taking advantage of a real family's loss in order for personal gain. If they were doing this in real life, they'd be lucky to not suffer some form of assailing from either friends, family or even complete strangers.
So what? It's a game! Correct, it's a game. Played by real people. It's the principle, not the practice.
~Archon Azdan Amith,-á
Order of Light's Retribution |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9482
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:58:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:And how many topics do we require to show that "demonstration of respect"? The one that we have seems to be nicely self-contained.
Quote:This is a game where people take advantage of each other on a daily basis for fun and profit, but apparently when it's someone who "matters" that has to stop because THEN it's in bad taste... No. The bad taste is when you use real people slain in senseless violence to score cheap points in a game. If you can't separate the two, may I suggest medicating yourselfGǪ heavily.
Isabelle Fleise wrote:This is just a thread full of double standards. Of course. The one mainstay of goonhatred has always been its hypocrisy.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1963
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:58:00 -
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This is a game where people take advantage of each other on a daily basis for fun and profit, but apparently when it's someone who "matters" that has to stop because THEN it's in bad taste...
Isabelle Fleise wrote:This is just a thread full of double standards.
Yes it is.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative
130
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:00:00 -
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Well atleast he was original... doubt he will earn much isk though |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4597
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:00:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Tippia wrote:Ensign X wrote:Definitely not white-knighting the guy, but definitely his right to scam Fortunately, CCP disagrees with you. He has every right to scam people. He does not have the right to falsely represent RL-charities. What RL charity? There is no "Vile Rat Foundation" outside of this one dude in EVE Online. He's not misrepresenting anybody or anything. Again, you're reaching.
It seems that you're exactly the kind of person that you (wrongly) suppose that GSF members are.
It is at this point that, if you had any friends, they would advise you to stop digging, because you're in deep enough.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
344
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:00:00 -
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This is the Eve Community... |
Jonah Gravenstein
1207
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:02:00 -
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There's being a douchebag in game and being a douchebag by capitalising on real life events, one is acceptable, one is not.
Please have some respect for Vile Rat and his friends & family, there's every chance one of his friends or family may read these threads and TBH while most have the humanity to respect & honour the dead some of the comments being made strike me as being made by repugnant individuals who have no empathy.
CCP can't patch stupid. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
452
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:03:00 -
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Hey Paul Oliver. Remember when you got run out of the RP community because you were too much a douche? This is me kindly asking you to stop. |
Ensign X
183
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ensign X wrote:Clearly the people who are calling for in-game monuments, memorials and charities are among the list of those who do not know when the game ends and RL starts. GǪso you think the Jita statue and all the AT ships and all similar community memorabilia should be removed as well?
You and your strawmen.
The Jita Monument and the AT ships have NOTHING to do with the death of a player outside of EVE and the requests of his comrades to "honor" him with in-game monuments, memorials and charities.
His death is a tragedy, no doubt, but people die all the time and their deaths are no less tragic and no less deserving of some artificial in-game monument or memorial. |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
84
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:04:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:This is a game where people take advantage of each other on a daily basis for fun and profit, but apparently when it's someone who "matters" that has to stop because THEN it's in bad taste... Isabelle Fleise wrote:This is just a thread full of double standards. Yes it is.
There's quite a big difference between scamming someone by taking advantage of their greed, than there is in scamming someone by taking advantage of their generosity towards a charity, real or not. The former method would be applauded especially if it's a big scam, the latter not and rightly so. What makes this particular incident even more damnable is that the person is taking advantage of another person dying in real life. That goes way beyond the game, just like Mittani's actions some time ago that resulted in his temporary ban.
When that line between real life and games is broken, there quite simply can't be anything good coming out of it. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1963
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:05:00 -
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If Sean's friends and family want to read a thread they should read the RIP thread, which is heavily moderated and has been kept civil out of respect, which is also where this whole thing should have stayed instead of spawning multiple topics.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
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