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Algathas The Revenge of Auntie Freeze	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:37:00 - [1291] This is what an $80 monocle should do:
Reppyk	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:39:00 - [1292] Edited by: Reppyk on 23/06/2011 19:39:44 Me too : Link if you can't see pictures : http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/7025/monocle.jpg
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:47:00 - [1293] Originally by: Isidore Tailleur CCP changing the business model of EVE will not work. Because strictly looking at gameplay EVE is actually a really booring and bad game. But if you can MT the grind/boring away, then the business model could work. The example of being able to buy faction standings via MTs was given in the leaked newsletter. Quote: EVE is the sandbox and the player driven economy, your new business model will break that and there will be nothing left of your game except some brackets sitting on a wall of stars... Maybe. If CCP is really judicious about what in-game advantages they allow MTs to provide, then MTs and Eve can co-exist. Example: allowing MTs to provide advantages for hi-sec carebares in PvE content. Null-sec has miltary upgrades to increase cosmic anomalies. How do you feel if a carebear could purchase a MT upgrade that allows them to boost their hi-sec missions in a similar (but lesser) manner? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Atreus Venom Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:50:00 - [1294] IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN HOW AWESOME YOUR LIFE CAN BE ON STATION IF YOU JUST GIVE IN TO CCP'S MONEY *****ING CHECK OUT MY CAPTAINS QUARTERS :) º--Atreus--º
Zeimanov Kalzumaan Haruspex Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:52:00 - [1295] Seriously people, the prices are a complete joke but do they seriously matter? These vanity items will not impact the game one bit - simply not buying them will send enough of a message! I logged on last night looking to buy some stuff from the store - CCP lost out, it's no big deal to me. My real concern is that in all this confusion CCP can backtrack by lowering prices and the playerbase will accept microtransactions. The real issue is CCP's intent to implement non-vanity items. DESPITE promises to the CSM that this would not happen we are going hace this forced on us. Serously CCP, if you're strapped for cash put a dollar or so ont he subscription, don't ruin the game through .......
Serum	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:54:00 - [1296] I have seen functionality in other cash shops that allow players to earn "cash equivalent points" on a monthly rate from their subscription, or having the ability to earn "cash equivalent points" by playing the game. From what I have seen of the sources we are talking about, there is no way to get Aurum other than by using a PLEX. A couple things I think should happen because of this: 1. Aurum should only be used to purchase fluff items. Skill gain items or horribly Over-Powered mods or ammo should be left off the table when it comes to cash shop purchases. 2. Either modify the exchange rate of Aurum per PLEX, or reevaluate your prices for simple clothing items. Monocles can be 6 months of PLEX value.. I don't know of many normal people that wear monocles anymore and it should be the domain of eccentric old tycoons, I don't care either way. However, if you are going to charge a month or more for a tee shirt or a pair of shoes... you have not fully thought out the costs of these items on a grand scale. putting this into perspective.... there is only 1 maybe 2 avenues that a player can show off their NEX purchases. Screenshots, and pilot pictures. Perhaps when pilots can mingle on the promenade or visit other pilots in their Captains Quarters, will this kind of purchase ever be worthy of breaking up a PLEX for. My personal opinion is that those using PLEX in this manner are: a)foolish with their money b) sitting on piles and piles of ISK with no other reason to invest/spend c) A combination of a and b. my choice is c. As it stands now, the NEX is an ISK sink. The jury is still out if it will ever be a game changer. when it becomes a game changer, there needs to be a few other avenues to gain these game changing items apart from NEX, market purchases. word of warning, If you ever offer skill points for Aurum, you will effectively castrate your character progression system. That which we do in life, Echoes in Eternity.
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:56:00 - [1297] Originally by: Zeimanov Kalzumaan Seriously people, the prices are a complete joke but do they seriously matter? No, the monocle prices do not matter. The process which led to the adoption of said prices does, however.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:59:00 - [1298] If anyone has an opinion on alternatives to increasing CCP's revenue (an inevitability, as they are a for-profit corporation) without destroying the integrity of our beloved Eve Online, I've created this thread. Lets give them a constructive solution to something the community has soundly rejected, so that we can go forward instead of simply deciding to walk away entirely. Thank you all, for your feedback, I hope to see some good dialogue! There is plenty of threads to troll in, I want to keep this productive.
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:24:00 - [1299] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen If anyone has an opinion on alternatives to increasing CCP's revenue (an inevitability, as they are a for-profit corporation) I like how you snuck this in. CCP need to increase their revenue, so clearly we should find some way to pay them more. Are you serious? Something tells me EVE is not unprofitable.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:46:00 - [1300] This issue is very important but yet unresolved. It belongs to the front page at all times. -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st

boeboe joe Helix Commonwealth Command	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:50:00 - [1301] Originally by: Morrigun Rakari Originally by: CCP Zinfandel [ 2011.06.22 00:04:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. Sure, Capsuleers might be rich, but Players aren't. Can someone tell this guy that microtransactions only really work as impulse buys, in much the same way big supermarkets put chocolate next to the checkouts, please? People think "Hell, it's only 60p/Ç1/etc, I'll treat myself!". They'd sell precisely none if they priced them at ú35/Ç40. I would have agree 100% with this man.
Blaze Stark	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:13:00 - [1302] Edited by: Blaze Stark on 23/06/2011 21:13:40 The prices are just ridiculous, do a reality check (other games for starters) please. Even F2P games are way cheaper. Better yet, screw the store, let us buy the stuff for ISK and the RL Money come in via Plex as before.
Xia Kairui Lone Star Exploration	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:15:00 - [1303] Originally by: Zeimanov Kalzumaan ... but do they seriously matter? These vanity items will not impact the game one bit ... IMO yes, since they are built with dev time paid for with prior subscriptions. The money that went into developing a monocle might have been better spent fixing bugs or adding more than a single one-person cell in a space station. That would have benefitted all 50k players logged into the server at any time, but with these pricings it'll only benefit a small group. Besides the flak from $70 monocles totally hides that the expansion so far went rather flawless for such a big change - after all, a complete engine was added. And again, maybe the monocle was to fault that there was only one version of the CQ.
Toawa EVE Mercantile Exchange Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:16:00 - [1304] Originally by: stoicfaux Except that isk isn't worth real money (not counting RMT.) 400 million isk (the price of PLEX) can't be exchanged for $15. 400 million isk is not worth $15. However, $15 is worth 400 million isk. Except that 400m isk can be exchanged for $15. In the big dictionary o' economics, look up "Substitution". Without PLEX: I have 500m isk, I have $15 dollars. I need to maintain an EVE subscription (without which, I would have 0 isk). Every month I have to spend $15 to maintain subscription, and thus my 500m isk. End of month: 500m isk, $0. With PLEX: I have 500m isk, I have $15 dollars. I need to maintain an EVE subscription (without which, I would have 0 isk). I buy a PLEX for 400m isk and cash it in for a month's subscription. End of month: 100m isk, $15. I have exchanged 400m isk for $15. "A penny saved is a penny earned." -- Benjamin Franklin
Shaul Amaninatis Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:17:00 - [1305] I think it is cool that CCP asks those high prices. They are again doing it different than the rest. Keep going that way CCP. Go the long way home and hopefully teach the gaming industry a lesson And to all those players that constantly whine about the RL cash which they need to spent: No you don't need to spent your RL cash. Someone else can buy that GTC/PLEX with his/her RL cash. All you need to spend is ISK. That other dude gets the ISK and you get your shinies from the Noble Exchange (simple is that). I have enough ISK to buy the PLEX/AUR. I hope you do too. And if not: HTFU
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:17:00 - [1306] posting across from the other 'officially sanctioned' complaint thread... the actual prices in the NEX store are irrelevant a far as I am concerned... The fact that they are so farcical is... well farcical, but for me... not relevant. I have held off posting for a while since it looked initially like this could well be a prank... Now it doesn't... My response to the gist of the document is this: A) you hold a position and stand by it, arguing in its defence with reasoned argument... If those arguments stand up, you get to keep that position... If the arguments don't stand up... you modify your position to take into account the counter arguments that defeated you... If you don't admit defeat to better arguments you are guilty of rigid dogmatism, and that leads to bad places... What you don't do is hold a position, you don't think you can justify to others, and simply keep quiet about it and implement its consequences without telling anyone... This is being what is known as a conniving, cowardly, yellow bellied chicken... If CCP really believe that MT is the way forward, then they should say so, and why... Then those of us that still disagree can know where we stand... And quit if necessary. lying about MT because you don't think we will like it is utter cowardice. B) I think introducing MT for vanity items is really bad, and totally oppose it (long argument not for right now in this heated atmosphere). Introducing MT for non-vanity items is unforgivable and I will quit if you ever do this. C) As far as I was concerned the NEX appeared on SiSi out of thin air, with the follow-up dev blog announcing a fait acompli that from now on clothing (and other items) would only be available for MT, and even the selection we had (which is not very good) would be reduced to the clothes on our backs... I read the forums quite a bit, and read all the dev blogs, and this came as a total shock to me... I basically found out that immersion was going to cost extra on the test server. This ****ed me off a lot. I pay a subscription for EVE... this gives (or should give) full access to the player economy, and with nothing other than my subscription and time, I can build, win, or buy with isk I make, anything in game (barring things like tourney prises) without paying another dime... In fact one of EVE's greatest strengths and one of the things that keeps me in it is the player driven economy... MT, even for vanity items destroys this... and destroys the player economy's immersive value as well. If you had posted a dev blog, 6 months ago, saying we are looking in to doing this, this, and this, what are your thoughts, would you accept this.... and we had had the ability to discuss the issue before a single line of code had been written... we could have had a civilised discussion on it... However you have tried to ram this down our throats with little to no warning, despite huge response to the one thread I was aware of in the assembly hall where almost everyone voted against MT... Because of this we can't have a civilised debate on the subject... Either MT goes... or I do... take your pick either way... From a PR perspective... You really need to get some kind of initial response, or at least explanation out NOW... it has already taken you to long to respond. And no, you can't have my stuff. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Glyken Touchon Gallente Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:30:00 - [1307] CCP Fallout pointed people at this thread from one of the Incarna feedback threads so here's my advice: The Noble Exchange needs price brackets or it will be wasted due to lack of use Free stuff from CC (everyone) cheap stuff (most people) middling stuff (some people) expensive stuff (few people) How much? (rare sight) Ship skins with a ship traded in should fall into categories 2 or 3 because they can go pop, and by keeping them (relatively) cheap, people will replace them without a second thought. The other thing necessary for attracting players to part with AUR is variety- why bother paying to customise when there is more variety in the free selections in the base creator. ______ When the forums asked CCP for transparency, we didn't mean the HUD...
Triple Entendre Deliciously Vicious	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:41:00 - [1308] Edited by: Triple Entendre on 23/06/2011 21:44:56 Second page? You wish, guys.
Edward Olmops	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:53:00 - [1309] Edited by: Edward Olmops on 23/06/2011 21:53:14 Good point, fully agree with Glyken. Anyone who complains about this M(icro/ega)T stuff should consider a) ignoring the NeX and playing EVE instead (with a cool CQ TV instead of spinning the ship all night long) b) buying the stuff from the market with ISK. No real money involved. Yes, the prices are insane, but hey the items are INDESTRUCTIBLE! (to all who don't know this paradigm: it's like in WOW - you pop or you are podded and your clothes come back at no cost! Sounds weird, hm?) Ok, the physics behind this are a bit obscure, but consider this scene: YOU are the badass guy pirate with that evil look and the monocle. Everyone knows you and fears you. Now you fly to that station to do what ever shady things you want to do, but... well... sort of bad luck, you know, you have to tell all people that YOU are the evil guy with the monocle. That is, NORMALLY. You are just a bit short on cash, because you just ... erm... sort of ran into that gate camp. And that guy over there - yes, the one that actually wear the monocle - , he was the one to be first at the wreck...
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:54:00 - [1310] Originally by: Toawa Originally by: stoicfaux Except that 400m isk can be exchanged for $15. In the big dictionary o' economics, look up "Substitution". I have exchanged 400m isk for $15. That's a bit oversimplified and a very limited situation. Once you pay for your monthly PLEX, can you substitute/convert the rest of your isk to $15 of real money? Substitution will only work a limited number of times. My point still stands, once a player's isk income is comfortable enough to cover their Eve bills and their PLEX sub, the perceived value of idle isk goes down, and the more willing a person is to incur an unfavorable isk to Aurum conversion rate. I just wonder what kind of numbers bizdev looked at to decide that there was enough of a potential market of players who could and would pay ~1.3 billion isk for a monocle. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"

Bar0th Gallente Industrial Forge Works Inc	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:17:00 - [1311] Edited by: Bar0th on 23/06/2011 22:25:15 The problem I see with the current selection for purchase with AUR is the price. Either divide the costs of these "micro-transaction" items by at least 20, or multiply the AUR from PLEX by at least 20 (whichever is easier to correct in the database after the change). That way, even the most expensive item is currently $3. By reducing the prices 95%, you are making 1/20 the income per sale, but will have more than 20x the sales = more profit. As for other areas of sales: No advantage should be able to be purchased, including SP, standings, more powerful weapons, ammo, ships, etc. A brand new toon should not be able to have a ton of cash dumped on it and be equal to a 5+ year vet, and standing losses should be earned back not purchased. In the case of SP: it's an advantage compared to other new players, and with standings it allows you to buy your way back from wrongdoing (intentional or not) - negating part of the consequences. People play games as something to occupy their time. Removing all of the time sinks means they have no reason to play. Purely cosmetic items (ship outward appearance, fancier looking weapons on ships with the same stats, CQ decorations, avatar clothes, etc are all fine - as long as they provide NO benefit at all. I personally want logos on ships, option for new appearance items, and ability to customize the CQ (I'm from SWG after all - decorating houses was another time sink), and will pay for the ability to (provided the price is much lower than current). Having spent quite a bit on a F2P game (Battlefield Heroes) for outfits, weapons and widgets I can say that the one thing most players hate are those with the Uber/Super weapons which give an advantage over non-paying (not even a huge advantage - slightly more criticals, and a slight damage increase). Many rage quits on maps over them, and some servers ban on sight if you use them. Why do people pay for outfits there? Unique appearance, and supports development of the game. (BTW: in BF:H an entire 5-piece outfit can be purchased for as low as $10. A monocle in BF:H is $2.71 for lifetime ownership.)
Bobang Rasmataz	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:23:00 - [1312] I have no words, so il sum up my thoughts with pretty pictures
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:25:00 - [1313] Originally by: Edward Olmops b) buying the stuff from the market with ISK. No real money involved. Yes, the prices are insane, but hey the items are INDESTRUCTIBLE! IIRC, NEX items don't jump with your clone. So if you destroy you monocled clone from your character sheet or if your monocled clone is in a capital ship clone vat bay and the ship is destroyed, my guess is that you lose the monocle. Or it might get transferred to your hanger. Who's up for testing it? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:28:00 - [1314] Are we there yet? Or CCP is still hoping the angry mob with pitchforks and torches jus will go away sometime?
Davon Kastire Caldari Hit it n' Quit it	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:37:00 - [1315] *"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."*
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:37:00 - [1316] Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Are we there yet? Or CCP is still hoping the angry mob with pitchforks and torches jus will go away sometime? Just wait until Icelandic natives report an unusual amount of job ads showing up. Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu \| http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535011
Nair Alderau	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:41:00 - [1317] Edited by: Nair Alderau on 23/06/2011 22:42:39 Honestly, I dont mind the NEX. Prices are ridiculous, yes. I will never buy a thing there, yes. But I dont care as long as they are just vanity items. Some very rich pilots now have a way to spend their ISK. I am always in favor of ISK sinks. Also, if the price of PLEX does rise somewhat... and more real-life-well-off people buy PLEX .... good. A bit more money to develop this game that I DO NOT PAY, perfect. Just make sure you NEVER sell anything there that aint a vanity item. Or else.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:54:00 - [1318] Add one more link to the press coverage: http://www.hardocp.com/news/2011/06/23/ridiculously_expensive_in_game_content
Flamespar	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:04:00 - [1319] Mmmm. Tears. Forum players do not represent the majority of EVE players. Though many delude themselves thinking otherwise. But please CCP, lets make them happy by giving them some cheaper items in NeX for them to wear. Seems like a simple solution if you ask me.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:20:00 - [1320] This topic needs attention. How hard can it be? -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st



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