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Captain Alcatraz
Invicta. Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: DeAdspAwN People are buying this expensive garbage, look at contracts and look at the market. if people buy this stuff the genius that came up with the idea and the prices gets a pat on his back, and he gets to say "told ya the mooptards would go for it". CCP has yet again cornholed its customers. yeah CCP needs money to pay the guys to write more bad expansions, but...... they have done this in all wrong ways. here is how to fix it. 1.)reinburse the idiots that bought the expensive crap 2.)lower the price of the crap dramaticaly 3.) introduce way more crap (emo sunglasses, dresses for the crossdressers, pirate outfits, etc) its not that hard to texture and skin. people waited 18months for 8 items and a room. 4.) get players use to playing dress up by having clothing randomly drop. unique items (true sansha, darkblood, etc.) 5.) have old station set to default with station walking as a option next to ship fittings, agents, repair and all the other stuff 6.) fix all the bugs, maybe pay people who write bug reports in aurum. 7.) say that your sorry for insulting your customers. 8.) if you want to sell plex look at somer blink somer has to be in top 10 reason people buy plex. 9.) listen to what your customers want, if they are happy they will give you money. 10.) be honest when you cornhole the customers. don't lie and say things like "it was a bug" cough****ghost training*****cough
I agree with this. I really do.
But instead of item drops, why not just make the clothing available via player manufacturers? I mean, look at Star Wars Galaxies. Players deployed their own factories so they could manufacture entire lines of clothing, weapons, droids, etc.
I don't see why CCP can't just do that here.
Cause CCP wants to sell the clothing through the NEX shop now. Player made clothing = less clothing bought from CCP for lol $$, so that'll never get introduced, at least not in a complete form
Those who are saying "if you dont like it dont use it" are short sighted, look ^
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Melchon
Gallente In dubio pro joesy
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:52:00 -
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I wonder if the people that now say "but it is not that expensive, you can buy that stuff with isk" would hand me their firstborn for an old pair of my shoes. After all it doesn't cost them a thing (heck, I am even saving them some expenses).
Originally by: Ishnadriel Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25 I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ?
Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous...
Obviously CCP needs a lot of money fast. Just look at the trend in the last months (e.g. api costs for fan-devs etc.). Maybe tomorrow we finally get the announcement that each login now costs 25 cents (after all, you are causing load on the login server ). |
Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Katrina Cortez on 23/06/2011 04:04:07 Go, go, 40 pages
Edit: Victory is mine!
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:46:00 -
[1174]
HIS NAME WAS JOHN TURBEFIELD! -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st |
Jonathan Cage
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Posted - 2011.06.23 06:10:00 -
[1175]
Okay To everyone out there, on CCP's behalf I beseech you to see the reason for these high prices!
Okay.
Now that is done.
Where the heck is the space WAL*MART!
Sets new course to be first in line for the generic stuff.
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Aisha Ravenwood
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:27:00 -
[1176]
Still no blue response.... their lack of comment on the issue is deafining...
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Rex Liberium
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aisha Ravenwood Still no blue response.... their lack of comment on the issue is deafining...
No it speaks volumes.....
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Slatiska Wolfovna
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:30:00 -
[1178]
Edited by: Slatiska Wolfovna on 23/06/2011 07:32:55 Edited by: Slatiska Wolfovna on 23/06/2011 07:32:35 Edited by: Slatiska Wolfovna on 23/06/2011 07:30:42 Some CCP guy told someone before the expansion deployment that he should feel that the immersion is reinforced by Incarna, but at a time where a whole galaxy is speaking the same language, why is there 2 currencies, with one totally dedicated to buying useless clothes ? And with no direct exchange rate ? How is it immersing us in a realistic sci-fi universe ? :D
If we look at present time, it's much simpler to go from Euros to Dollar than from ISK to Aurum, I hope that in the future people will have only one currency per geographical segment, and not per concept like in EVE :D
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Tron Flux
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:33:00 -
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Two thoughts:
1. Maybe by microtransactions, ccp meant "micro" as in a very small number of transactions to begin with.
2. Maybe ccp wants all the people griping about spinning ships on the issues thread to stop spinning ships and go out and kill or be killed in an attempt to buy some bling they obviously want but can't afford.
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Femerov
Minmatar The Black Bha'lir Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:37:00 -
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CCP
just slash a 0 off the prices in the aurum shop and you'll make a lot more $$, instead of relying on 1 person buyin things at 12k aurum you should rely on the 30 folks who will buy it at 1200 aurum. I aint no economist but 1x 12k is less then 30 x 1200 . just my 0.2 isk <a href="https://eve-search.com/externalLink.asp?l=http%3A%2F%2Frumandmonkey%2Ecom%2Fwidgets%2Ftoys%2Ftestgen%2F6199%2F"><img src="http://stat.rumandmonkey.com/tests/9/9/6199/25764.jpg" title="Industrialist with teeth" alt="Industrialist with teeth" border="0" |
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DeAdspAwN
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Guard Guys, I didn't mean to offend with my little wordplay there. Sorry if I did. A more serious reply to your concerns and questions regarding pricing of virtual goods is coming. The workday started not long ago over here and most of us were up late monitoring initial reactions and spinning our dudes in CQ. We are piecing together the different opinions and we'll do our best to address all of them.
Thank you all for your patience.
this was pinched from one of the smaller threads. we just have to wait and see what kind of DCU the PR folks can fit. the "I'm not playing this game any more" threads are growing larger and larger by the minute. have you guys heard that the guy behind hulkageddon got his account banned for posting a link to the leaked ccp PDF news letter about MTs? not sure if its true or not.
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Spacing Cowboy
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:48:00 -
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With the total silence\afk cloaking of CCP guys on the forums I kind of have the idea that the guys themself are 'fighting'
Ive met a lot at fanfest 2011, and somehow i really think this is not working or got released 'as intended'
There current meetings would be youtube worthy atm Is another guess
CCP. Protip... Activate damagecontrol II, and open up the comms
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Sealiah
Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:52:00 -
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Well, if they shaved a single zero off all the prices, I'd buy quite a bit, maybe spend 1.5b isk budget I prepared for it.
But with these prices? CCP won't see a single isk/plex from me.
I have seen greed, but seriously, a monocle for a character worth 3 months subscription? Give me a break. I really hoped to use the noble exchange... Use it a lot, but with the current prices - thank you very much ^^ Goodbye vanity store.
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Xia Kairui
Lone Star Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sealiah Well, if they shaved a single zero off all the prices, I'd buy quite a bit, maybe spend 1.5b isk budget I prepared for it.
But with these prices? CCP won't see a single isk/plex from me.
I have seen greed, but seriously, a monocle for a character worth 3 months subscription? Give me a break. I really hoped to use the noble exchange... Use it a lot, but with the current prices - thank you very much ^^ Goodbye vanity store.
Exactly my sentiment. Well, except for the 1.5B I don't have at the moment...
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Orecia
Crytec Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:05:00 -
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If you devide the AUR prices by 100 I will consider it
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Ardamalis
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:06:00 -
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Supporting this thread.
I for one liked CQ and am hopeful for the rest of Incarna; however, cmon CCP... These NEX prices are LOLridiculusWTF.
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Cancel Align NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:14:00 -
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The madmen have lost the plot.
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Sirion Fujiwara
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:17:00 -
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You can keep 400 kids malaria free for life for $80!
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Azia Burgi
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:29:00 -
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First the ridiculous $99 for the API and now this...
Where is the CCP reply?
Azia Burgi http://aziaburgi.me.uk BP Profit Calculator EVE Cemetery |
Firh
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:32:00 -
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I'll agree with that the items are ridiculously expensive and that it's obviously not worth that much real money, at least not for the majority of us.
The thing is however, these are exclusive vanity items and there are people who can afford to pay for their accounts by buying plex ingame (in which case they're gaming for free anyway) AND still have isk to buy these things. In these instances no real money is spent at all, so what's the big deal?
The poor selection of items and what they do is more of a let-down IMO.
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Stahlregen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Stahlregen on 23/06/2011 08:36:09 We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in our captains quarters, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our e-living rooms. Let me have my non-RMT isk and my officer fit nightmare and my new turret effects and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to cancel your sub. I don't want you to suicide gank- I don't want you to write to your CSM representative because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the microtransactions and the inflation and the botters and the pirates off the Jita 4-4 undock. All I know is that first you've got to get mad.
You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My subscription has VALUE!' I want all of you to stop admiring yourself in your e-mirror. I want you to stop staring at the looping eve trailers on your holoscreen. I want you to get up right now and go to the eve-online forums. Open it, make a new thread and type;
'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!'
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sedex
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:37:00 -
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Those price are logical, if insane.
a)Vanity items should be rare and/or expensive.
b)There are (sadly ?) players who will pay that much. Few, but CCP should milk them before targeting the other players with cheaper goods.
c) If they start high, they can do 'sales' and 'special offers' for half or less later on.
d) After the super-expensive right-eye eye-patch, they can offer the cheap left-eye one. Which will appear cheap even at 30$.
The current prices make sense assuming they plan for the long haul. Although I am surprised they don't offer a cheap (5 or 10 aurum) item along the expensive ones, to jump start plex>aurum conversion.
I don't expect to ever buy any vanity item for myself, especially as such prices (unless perhaps custom painting for ship later on ? Who know.) And I really hope the Aurum store will only be for vanity items, never power items. But since this store is not the primary money maker for CCP, just an add-on, they can afford to experiment with price.
Sedex
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Cancel Align NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Firh I'll agree with that the items are ridiculously expensive and that it's obviously not worth that much real money, at least not for the majority of us.
The thing is however, these are exclusive vanity items and there are people who can afford to pay for their accounts by buying plex ingame (in which case they're gaming for free anyway) AND still have isk to buy these things. In these instances no real money is spent at all, so what's the big deal?
The poor selection of items and what they do is more of a let-down IMO.
What your are saying contradicts all the pre release propaganda that ccp released about how everyone could add a little bling to their characters. That is the let down, that ccp either believed we would buy their crap and think it was wonderful, or alternatively we are disappointed because ccp have no clue about what the player base wants or needs.
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Lisee Lafisques
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:50:00 -
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Yeah, ridiculously high prices. It's just that Incarna does not really effect the real game, so most of the players will just ingore NEX. I mean that is how it was supposed to work. People on this forum didn't go to fanfest last year nor did they read the CSMs meeting minutes. It was clear for a year now, that vanity items will not be cheap and are targeted to those, who spend a lot of money. The CSM stressed that pretty clear - if CCP wants to utilize PLEX in another way, it has to be venity items. Otherwise whole alliances would leave the game.
The prices set so high have a very positive effect. If the prices were low NEX would become a very powerful PLEX sink in the economy. That woul make PLEX prices to skyrocket. With prices seemingly unreasonably high it's not such a sink and thus prevents PLEX prices from rising so much. Which is good for the majority of current players.
People played EVE without avatars and vanity items and generally played it for other reasons. The game was and is awesome without Incarna. So whoever is whining on the high pricing on vanity items is either doing so just beacause he likes to discuss a controversial subject or because he is all new to the EVE experience.
And that is the only and very severe negative consequence of the pricing level in NEX. It's a barrier, a freakin' wall for new players. They create the character and they want to suit up, and BAM!, it asks them for a whole lot of cash. That can't be any good for business. I think that the monocle is a really cool piece of equip and the prcie on it is ok, but there should be other stuff that is way cheaper (so one could buy three items for a PLEX) for everyone that wants to experiment his looks under the illusion that he's not spending his whole that much money.
Because what is really annoying about this pricing level is that the player has no choice - you either walk around in the same jumpsuit everyone else does or you have to get hold of 3 months of gameplay and use that to buy three vanity items. I know I'll choose ingoring the NEX.
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Spacing Cowboy
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:55:00 -
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A real question for the eve history buffs.
Was there ever a ****storm/riot this size before?
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Female Face
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:57:00 -
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I think the funniest side of this (which may have been discussed above, i didnt read all posts)
Is that anyone who shows up wearing one of these stupid items is going to be MASSIVELY ridiculed for doing so.
Maybe not allowed to join a corp, getting kicked from a corp, getting ripped a new one in local when someone spots them etc etc etc.
How is that going to get more people buying items?
This is beyond a joke, its the best damn joke ive ever heard/seen in my life!!!!!!
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Spacing Cowboy A real question for the eve history buffs.
Was there ever a ****storm/riot this size before?
The speed nerf. But that was more a case of it being a storm because the wind was blowing in both directions at once, some being vociferously for the change, others being equally vociferously against it. I can't remember seeing anything quite so one-sided before in my time here (which, admittedly, is just half the life of the game). ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Nehaj
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.23 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Spacing Cowboy A real question for the eve history buffs.
Was there ever a ****storm/riot this size before?
Well, not Eve history, but history nonetheless: Venetian Bankers and the Dark Ages
``Venice was the greatest commercial success of the Middle Ages -- a city without industry, except for naval-military construction, which came to bestride the Mediterranean world and to control an empire through mere trading enterprise. In the fourteenth century she was in the ascendant to her greatest periods of success and power.''
``Venice's rulers were less concerned with profits from industries than with profits from trade between regions that valued gold and silver differently.''
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Spacing Cowboy
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 09:13:00 -
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Thanks, hopefully a wakeup call for ccp,
Im a forum*****, but i see terratons of people going nuts , Quite some never seen before on eve-o
... Ccp... Wake-up ? ...
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Sirta en Gravonere
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Posted - 2011.06.23 09:16:00 -
[1200]
Srsly CCP, WTF?!
I wont pay more than 3 times of ISK for a Shirt than I would pay for a spaceship!
I just read a leaked internal Bulletin where it states: "Second, we must sell our units of virtual currency the AUR at appropriate rates. No pair of pants, no matter how cool, should cost the same as a new Maserati; similarly, it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay the same price that I would for a faction battleship."
But you guys are doing it right now.
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