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Ishnadriel	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:16:00 - [1] I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 45$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous...
Tobin Shalim Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:17:00 - [2] Where's the 'like' button on the OP? This is freakin' insane. ----- Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
Daelorn	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Ishnadriel I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 45$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... Yeah my first though was they it was pretty damn expensive too, but people will buy them
Outlaw Jenner Caldari mishima ryu	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:18:00 - [4] Yup was planning on having some fun with the plexes I've had stockpiled but I'll just continue to play for free for the next 5 years instead of feeding the cash cow
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:19:00 - [5] So, CCP isn't greedy at all eh? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Captain Mastiff	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:20:00 - [6] Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 21/06/2011 23:20:56 Who do CCP think they are? Apple or something? Probably about 10 times the price I was expecting, at 350 a pair of trousers/jacket that's only a 10th of a plex. I would even consider doing it for a novelty here and there though at these prices... Edit: I can actually buy a wardrobe of clothes from matalan for the price of the monocle.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:20:00 - [7] You guys are joking, right? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:21:00 - [8] This is pretty damned ridiculous. Play eve for a month for free or buy a women's "impress" dress skirt? The prices for these "virtual goods" are a joke. Join the Revolution!
Crimson Violet	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:21:00 - [9] EvE must be dying. The pricing is ******ed. I want my gold jumpsuit, but not at that price!
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:22:00 - [10] Excessive does not come close. Put down the solid gold crack pipe CCP. Website Recruiting

Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:23:00 - [11] So what you're saying is that I can either buy a new suit or about five thousand rifters. Hmm.
Ishnadriel	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa You guys are joking, right? Unfortunatly we are not... Proof from ingame : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/200/capturetp.jpg/
Nye Jaran	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:23:00 - [13] CCP - You need a half-off sale, stat. The prices are a **ing joke. Seriously, it's an obvious **ing cash grab. Congrats on whoring yourselves out.
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:24:00 - [14] Oh noes now all will buy those Ishukone Scorpions for 20000 AUR and reprocess them to minerals! OH WAIT
Talsha Talamar Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:25:00 - [15] Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 21/06/2011 23:26:46 I am not often harsh, but this time I have to ask: Are you utterly mad ? $60 for the monocle... (12.000A/7000A*$35) $15-20 for one pice of cloth... Store Prices: 1 Plex = 3.500 Aurum Prices in Store 3.200 - 4.400 Aurum for 1 piece of cloth With Boots for 1.000 - 2.200 on the low end and a CyberMonocle for 12.000 Aurum on the high.
Brahan Seer Tea Tactics	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:26:00 - [16] That is terrible. But, I wasn't planning on using the system anyway. I want to play internet spaceships please. _________- Since 2004
Satander Zeiss Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:26:00 - [17] Just Utterly, utterly idiotic pricing. I daresay beyond greed. I hope to hell someone just put 1 too many zeroes on those values.
Benilopax Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:26:00 - [18] Came here to post the same thread, 4 plex for a glass eye? Are you insane?!? Vanity items should be in the 100s range if that! Bad move CCP, and I've stood up for you in the past. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.
Graelyn Amarr Adamant Edge Aegis Militia	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:26:00 - [19] I do try my best to be the calm voice of reason when I post on these boards, but.... ARE YOU ON ******* DRUGS, CCP? ----------------
Myrkala Minmatar Rebel Inc	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:26:00 - [20] What a convenient "mistake" for CCP to make on patch-day. - Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Minmatar? More like Winmatar.

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Benilopax Bad move CCP, and I've stood up for you in the past. Can I say "I told you so" yet? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Palpatine III Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:27:00 - [22] Have to agree here. Pretty crap selection, and even crappier prices. So who's going to be the first to buy?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Ishnadriel I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 45$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... Hmm... 4 * 17.5 $ = 45 $ ??? Are you sure that's not just a decimal point ? As in, "twelve point zero zero zero AUR", or 0.06 USD ? If not, what the bloody hell costs the equivalent of over 1 bil ISK at current ISK-to-PLEX prices ? _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Jade Constantine This is pretty damned ridiculous. Play eve for a month for free or buy a women's "impress" dress skirt? The prices for these "virtual goods" are a joke. Jesus Christ, I think this is the first time I've ever said this but I completely agree with you. What the hell, is this some kind of really bad joke? >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Lexa Stone	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:28:00 - [25] OP must have failed math...last I check 4 plex = $60-$65 not $45 bro.
Kalle Demos Amarr Helix Protocol	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:28:00 - [26] But plex is free if you mine the minerals yourself . LETS POST ON CAOD GANG!
Smog890 Minmatar Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:28:00 - [27] this is the worst thing ever in eve lol and i cant exchange isk for aur why the **** now god damn i'm not spending 60$ on a fkin eye thing in rl money.
Grash Freedom Gallente I Maza	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:28:00 - [28] Edited by: Grash Freedom on 21/06/2011 23:30:24 CCP You are a joke, plain and simple. 12k aurum for an eye patch? 3600 aurum for a shirt? a virtual god damn pixel shirt? you want 3600 aurum = 1 plex = 19.99 euro This is not EVE Online but Prada online wtf and ffs
Proffessor Drake Astroforge Industries 4U Holdings Inc	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:28:00 - [29] remember guys, its a hobby. i mean, we all like to spend cash on our hobbies right? am i right? I too can afford to buy 4 plexes ($60) just for some internet pixels. You must all live in a third world country or something, or you should quit your low paid bank manager job and get a real job. coming up next, you can buy a shop in a station for only $15,000 or 1000 plexes. Rent will be 10 plexes per month ($150) since CCP seem to think they can apply real world monetary values that are attached to goods sourced from finite materials for make believe pixels genrated on a computer. WTF is next? BOYCOTT
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:29:00 - [30] Actually I'm laughing at the subtle sales technique. 1 PLEX = 3,500 Aurum aaaand.. wait for it.. "Women's 'Impress' Skirt": 3,600 Aurum!

j1tabug IWINIWINIWIN	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:29:00 - [31] I agree with this the prices are just way too high i would be hard pressed to buy something like that IRL for 45 bucks but in a game you have to be ****ing joking.
Borun Tal Minmatar Just Abide	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:29:00 - [32] The whole "Aurum" scheme is to catch up to the Farmville vidiots who spend real money to buy useless virtual crap. It's a model that works because CCP (et al) know there's people out there with more money than sense (like the 1 week noobs buying GTC, selling, and picking up a Mach or CNR). I truly don't understand why CCP rushed to get this obviously flawed "update" out without using it. Can they really say they think it's worth putting out there are the flagship product?!?! Once again, CCP, I'm available for hire as a QA Supervisor, cuz you guys obviously need one.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:30:00 - [33] Yea, so. Normally I stay off the CCP bashing mainly due to the fact that I am hopelessly addicted to their terrible game. But christ on a crutch man what the ****, has somebody over there carried a 0 or something somewhere?
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:30:00 - [34] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 21/06/2011 23:30:33 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ishnadriel I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 45$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... Hmm... 4 * 17.5 $ = 45 $ ??? Are you sure that's not just a decimal point ? As in, "twelve point zero zero zero AUR", or 0.06 USD ? If not, what the bloody hell costs the equivalent of over 1 bil ISK at current ISK-to-PLEX prices ? Confirming there are 8 items to start, with prices of 1-12k Aurum each, with 1 PLEX being 3500 Aurum. So yeah, this is pretty insane. Also these are destroyed on pod death right? To quote a friend in game "You can literally clothe yourself in real clothing for that money" ______________________________
Madeiner	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:30:00 - [35] AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OGM i'm really laughing right now! Think they went wrong and added a zero, no other explanation!
Brutal Dose	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:31:00 - [36] Originally by: Grash Freedom CCP You are a joke, plain and simple. 12k aurum for an eye patch? 3600 aurum for a shirt? a virtual god damn pixel shirt? you want 3600 aurum = 1 plex = 19.99 euro This is not EVE Online but Prada online wtf and ffs oh, and remember you get 3500 aurum for a plex, so you need 2 plexes for this = 40 euro :P think ill just go to austin reed myself
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:31:00 - [37] Honestly, this would be infuriating if it wasn't so god damned hilarious.
Benilopax Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ishnadriel I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 45$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... Hmm... 4 * 17.5 $ = 45 $ ??? Are you sure that's not just a decimal point ? As in, "twelve point zero zero zero AUR", or 0.06 USD ? If not, what the bloody hell costs the equivalent of over 1 bil ISK at current ISK-to-PLEX prices ? For that kind of money I want my glass eye to shoot out my guns and kill multiple targets before coming back... Wait... scratch that... I'm not falling for it. Lower the damn price! ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:32:00 - [39] I almost don't believe this... Aur work out at about 90~120k isk per unit, based on current TQ prices for plex... 12,000 AUR comes to a conservative 1.1 Billion isk... for an eyepatch??? I was expecting prices in the low tens of AUR... I wasn't going to pay that, CCP has to be off its rocker if its going to charge more than one plex per item. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Captain Alcatraz Invicta. Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:32:00 - [40] lol, virtual clothing more expensive than RL cheap clothing GJ CCP

Tus Gallente Kryton Solutions Cognitive Development	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:32:00 - [41] This is the kind of stuff that should of been prevented from the start. The bright side is at least there are no major game changing items (yet). I hope it stays that way. But seriously, 60 bucks for a monicle, 15-20 for certain items of clothing? Plex is better used for what it's first purpose was. Which was to extend game time. Not to cash it in for stupid crap like this.
Token Afrodude	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:32:00 - [42] wow. i knew CCP was going on a cash grab....but jeez..... it will probably be played off as a "patch day error" but COME ON. this is so terrible its actually funny.
Enraged Stoat	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:33:00 - [43] Some people have more money than sense. Most businesses have a special place for them, airlines call it 'first class', but you'll see them in Eve buying this kind fluff. There is nothing about this game - or any other - that requires all players have equal access to stuff. If you don't like it, don't buy it, it's a market.
Vasentic Lyonesse. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:33:00 - [44] Clearly this was designed as an isk sink from the start and I do not think CCP realistically thinks people will BUY plexes to pay for this garbage. If they do then please stop by my place so I can smack you in the head repeatedly with a sledge hammer. This is most likely just to siphon isk out of the market as CCP seems to have been doing since the 0.0 and mission nerf
Nefera Sen The Boondock Saints	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:33:00 - [45] I'm confused CCP..... did you not want people to use this 'feature'?
Captain Alcatraz Invicta. Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:34:00 - [46] Originally by: Madeiner AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OGM i'm really laughing right now! Think they went wrong and added a zero, no other explanation! ^ Timwe for fanboys to take off the pink glasses and see what CCP is turning this game into
Awesome Possum Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:34:00 - [47] Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. ♥
Brahan Seer Tea Tactics	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:35:00 - [48] I guess CCP are preparing their red faced response? _________- Since 2004
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:35:00 - [49] LMAO!!!!! Congrats CCP - you've just made your MT process the most hilariously stupid idea in the history of stupid ideas! $45! LULZ! C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:35:00 - [50] OK so 45$ for a monocle... i understand now why they chose to make it indestructible This is absurd

Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:35:00 - [51] I can buy shirts in real life cheaper than the shirts in Incarna at current prices. ______________________________
Realdoll1	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:35:00 - [52] Thats ridiculous and honestly almost offensive to me for some unexplainable reason. SJ
Ranita Drell	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:35:00 - [53] Don't think of it in terms of real money guys, think of it in terms of the in-game currencies: aurum/ISK. A skirt that costs twice as much as a fully fitted and rigged battleship makes a lot of sense in EVE universe. It's a new, truly immersion-enhancing aspect of the game world.
Gothikia Regeneration	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:36:00 - [54] Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. Haha wow... Join Regeneration!
danyalsun	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:36:00 - [55] Dropping by to say this for the second time in a week... **** you CCP, you're greedy.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Vasentic Clearly this was designed as an isk sink from the start and I do not think CCP realistically thinks people will BUY plexes to pay for this garbage. If they do then please stop by my place so I can smack you in the head repeatedly with a sledge hammer. This is most likely just to siphon isk out of the market as CCP seems to have been doing since the 0.0 and mission nerf if that's the case then their must be an unbelievable amount of plex sitting around unused for them to sell any noticeable amount of clothing. If they want most players to customise their chars then the price needs to be 3 orders of mag lower... I am wondering if this is part of CCP's protect the market strategy... start them off ridiculously expensive then drop the price slowly till people start buying at an acceptable rate? -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Smoking Blunts	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:36:00 - [57] lol wtf are you smoking ccp? you actually think 4 plex's for an 'Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold)' is a micro transaction, you shameless money grabbing idiots
DjLowballer Amarr Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:36:00 - [58] I thought the whole point of Aurum was for microtransactions. These prices are high enough to be regular transactions.
Deamos Dev Null Development and Holdings	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:37:00 - [59] Dear CCP, $45 for a piece of clothing? Uhmm...I think you've either got bugs in your system or someone got hit a little too hard in Chessboxing -
Clamdongue	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:37:00 - [60] Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. hahaohwow.jpg

Yblarbo Janks Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:37:00 - [61] To play devils advocate here, how snazzy would these items be if everyone could sport them at once. Do we want the item to become so popular that those NOT wearing them are the cool kids ? Sorta like when only select minmatar could wear sunglasses...those were the cool kids. Then WHAMO, everyone can wear sunglasses! Now, sunglasses are no longer cool. On the flipside, at least they won't go away after you're podded. A Bear without Hair ain't Fair. Ask CCP where your chest hair is!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:37:00 - [62] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Also these are destroyed on pod death right? Allegedly, NOT ANYMORE. You keep them (the ones you are actively wearing) when you get podded (or, should I say, you get issued new ones), but they remain on the old clone body if you clonejump. They can only be destroyed if you carry them in the cargo when the ship blows up. It was a dev response in another recent thread. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Ten Bulls Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:38:00 - [63] Originally by: Ishnadriel I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 45$ dollars in real life money ? If sold a parrot and eyepatch, i think they would still sell for that price.
Grash Freedom Gallente I Maza	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:39:00 - [64] Originally by: Vasentic Clearly this was designed as an isk sink from the start and I do not think CCP realistically thinks people will BUY plexes to pay for this garbage. If they do then please stop by my place so I can smack you in the head repeatedly with a sledge hammer. This is most likely just to siphon isk out of the market as CCP seems to have been doing since the 0.0 and mission nerf There is no isk sink in there mate,they are buying from players with isks, not market npc sell orders
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:39:00 - [65] Originally by: Ranita Drell Don't think of it in terms of real money guys, think of it in terms of the in-game currencies: aurum/ISK. A skirt that costs twice as much as a fully fitted and rigged battleship makes a lot of sense in EVE universe. It's a new, truly immersion-enhancing aspect of the game world. But in real life my clothes cost more than spacefaring vessels of mass destruction! ______________________________
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival Naraka.	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:39:00 - [66] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Also these are destroyed on pod death right? Allegedly, NOT ANYMORE. You keep them (the ones you are actively wearing) when you get podded (or, should I say, you get issued new ones), but they remain on the old clone body if you clonejump. They can only be destroyed if you carry them in the cargo when the ship blows up. It was a dev response in another recent thread. Could you find and link said response, please? Diary of a Pod Pilot
Brusanan Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:39:00 - [67] Edited by: Brusanan on 21/06/2011 23:39:42 Well, the Eve players complained when CCP announced they were going to introduce microtransactions in Eve, and it looks like they listened! There is nothing "micro" at all about these transactions, so I think it's a bit of a stretch to claim that there are microtransactions in Eve. $60 for a useless glass eye? Get ****ed, CCP. ______
Seishi Maru Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:40:00 - [68] LOL wtf. I can buy pants in real life cheaper than that (and real life pants without shading artifacts)!
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:40:00 - [69] Can i warp directly to Jita from Fountain with the 45$ monocle?
Gothikia Regeneration	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:40:00 - [70] ib4ban Join Regeneration!

Esme Calladine Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:40:00 - [71] I dont do CCP bashing but really.... wow.... just wow
Khefira	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:40:00 - [72] No new gameplay, only a new horrible income source for CCP? Worst expansion ever. Fvck this ****.
I Love Boobies Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:41:00 - [73] I think CCP got macro mixed up with micro.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:41:00 - [74] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Also these are destroyed on pod death right? Allegedly, NOT ANYMORE. You keep them (the ones you are actively wearing) when you get podded (or, should I say, you get issued new ones), but they remain on the old clone body if you clonejump. They can only be destroyed if you carry them in the cargo when the ship blows up. It was a dev response in another recent thread. That's something at least, but they sure did leave the micro out of microtransaction. ______________________________
kaspa101 Amarr Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:42:00 - [75] Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. what he said....
Cyber Duck	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:42:00 - [76] Those items are meant for Chribba only.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:42:00 - [77] Originally by: Captain Mastiff Who do CCP think they are? Apple or something? Yes. Or, wellà no. Apple has reasonable pricing and provides good support and feedback for the price. Cf. $99 for an undocumented API. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
MrShooter Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:42:00 - [78] Guys, lets be reasonable now. These prices are somewhat steep but CCP is in a tough spot. How else is CCP supposed to refill their vault full of cocaine by the end of the month? Keeping the marketing team this tweaked out isn't cheap, you know.
Farrisen Caldari Nth Dimension	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:42:00 - [79] Yeah so hopefully i'll wake up tomorrow and see "sorry the prices were wrong in the Nex" But seriously CCP? I mean fine I don't want any of the vanity Items, but i was thinking of making a nice tasty profit with the cheapo plexes I got my hands on, but yeah that's not gonna happen >< Originally by: CCP Spitfire It's because of falcon. Originally by: Korinne People used to say that Incarna would come out when Duke Nukem Forever comes out.
Mirei Jun Right to Rule THE UNTHINKABLES	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:43:00 - [80] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste I can buy shirts in real life cheaper than the shirts in Incarna at current prices. Hey Selene, this is like Poker! CCP over bet so our choice has been made REALLY easy. We just fold, which costs us nothing and we keep all our chips. If they had raised just a little they might have pulled us into the hand... But nope. MJ

Gothikia Regeneration	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:43:00 - [81] Originally by: kaspa101 Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. what he said.... I'm afraid I have to +1 that sentiment... Join Regeneration!
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:43:00 - [82] LOL And the most hilarious thing? People will buy stuff for that price!
Mira Robinson The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:44:00 - [83] I think everyone needs to calm down. Are the prices outrageous? Hell yes. This is Day 1 of Incarna, and no, we don't get all the features of Walking in Stations on Day 1. That being said, if AUR prices are player controlled (hopefully, I'm downloading update as I type this), than prices will reflect demand. If not, then yes, CPP is making a cash grab. I'm already giving them a thumbs down for making Dust 514 a PS3 exclusive. Too many more screw-ups, CCP, and I'm walking away when The Old Republic comes out, instead of playing both. ----------------------------- Welcome to EVE. Ship happens.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:44:00 - [84] Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Also these are destroyed on pod death right? Allegedly, NOT ANYMORE. You keep them (the ones you are actively wearing) when you get podded (or, should I say, you get issued new ones), but they remain on the old clone body if you clonejump. They can only be destroyed if you carry them in the cargo when the ship blows up. It was a dev response in another recent thread. Could you find and link said response, please? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1532513&page=1#29 Posted - 2011.06.21 15:55:00 Originally by: CCP Zinfandel Thanks for bringing this up. And I did chuckle at the great "killmail" above. We finalized on the following characteristics: -clothing are destructible while in your cargo (like anything else) -clothing are not destroyed if podded while worn - you will wake up in your new clone wearing the same outfit -clothing does not travel with you if you take advantage of a jump clone - it remains in the previous station -items such as the eye implants or Amarr monocles which are installed in the body do NOT behave like implants but can be removed and put on again at will (or even resold.) We believe these settings best serve both our current population as well as those players who come later and learn to play EVE Online without the benefit of a specific briefing on the new functionality. Tharr ya go _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Zakua Corbin	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:44:00 - [85] Dress it UP honey! Thats the hot ss**** right there! My wardrobe will cost more then my legion, Im stoked! LOL.... Where's the local WalMart/Starmart? This had better be some name brand hot pants...I dont see no diesal or citizen tags on this biootch...
Thaylon Sen Dynamic International Solutions	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:44:00 - [86] That's just so stupid, it has got to be a bug, surely. Please tell me you missed a decimal or 2.
Kane Molou	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:44:00 - [87] Edited by: Kane Molou on 21/06/2011 23:46:43 Micro Transaction: Small payment for an item, typically lower then the Macro transaction you already pay.. Don't see that here.. At these prices is CCP sending me a REAL version of what I'm gonna buy in the store? Because they'd f'n want to be, I mean Christ a Good Shirt will only set you back 20$ in real life, a pair of pants 25$ if i want to go 'designer' 60 - 100$ and that's for a piece of REAL fabric i can wear that will keep me warm, has had some poor chinese sob sitch it togeather and I've paid GST and Import Duties on. Some how I do NOT think I've seen you do that here CCP.. Either some one F'k'd majorly up and put extra 0's onto everything or you truely have become nothing more then Greedy Liers and you've lost a customer from ever buying WOD when it comes out based on my experiance with EVE (I feel sorry for White-Wolf, a good company that let itself be brought out by YOU).
Ron Bacardi SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:44:00 - [88] Uh yeah, I don't usually bash CCP, but, cmon, you trollin right? Someone missed a decimal point somewhere?
Brutal Dose	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:44:00 - [89] Originally by: MrShooter Guys, lets be reasonable now. These prices are somewhat steep but CCP is in a tough spot. How else is CCP supposed to refill their vault full of cocaine by the end of the month? Keeping the marketing team this tweaked out isn't cheap, you know. i lolled its probably true tho judging by this evil attempt at marketing. I can only hope in a just and fair world the person that said "ok, ive done the research,and these are the proces we should charge" gets his ********* chewed off by a rotweiller
Rikter Akiga	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:44:00 - [90] Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. you owe me a new kb.

Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:44:00 - [91] Haaaaaaahahahahahahaha... Good luck with your new system CCP, you're gonna need it!
Shigsy NibbleTek Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:45:00 - [92] Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. DAMN _________________________________
I Love Boobies Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:45:00 - [93] Well, we should have expected this. I mean, after all... look at the prices in the Eve Store and what you have to pay for shipping.
LadyOfWrath Caldari Ships N Stones Quantum Forge	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:45:00 - [94] Aside form the boot.ini derp years ago this is the biggest fail thing i have ever seen CCP release.....ever. It should of never been in the game in the first place. Now lets see how many people have disabled CQ by the end of the 1st week.
Alexi Blue Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:45:00 - [95] Internet clothes more expensive than real ones... CCP, can't say I'm surprised. In the last few months you have made so many bad decisions and statements that you are really turning into a big joke. ---
Ivoto Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:45:00 - [96] CCP has drunk the micro-transaction koolaide. No going back now.
Khefira	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:47:00 - [97] Good thing to see 7 years of Incarna development going somewhere Oh wai-
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:47:00 - [98] Originally by: Shigsy Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. DAMN Yea, pretty much just won the thread.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:47:00 - [99] Edited by: stoicfaux on 21/06/2011 23:47:41 3,500 AUR per PLEX Boots * men: 1,000 * woman: 2,400 Pants/Skirt * men: 3,000 * woman: 3,600 Shirt/Blouse * men: 3,600 * woman: 3,200 or 4,400 Nice to see that woman get gouged on clothing prices in Eve as well as RL. Prices should be at most, 1/10 of what they are now. Even then, the monocle would still be outrageous. Or does this just mean that CCP is going to crash the price of PLEX because they think it's overpriced? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:47:00 - [100] So pretty much a pair of pants cost the same as a t2 BS. Or you could get a monocle for the price of a dreadnaught. Seriously? CCP can't even get MTs right.

Aisha Ravenwood	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:47:00 - [101] The whole point of MT is they are ment to be micro.. who in their right mind would pay $45 for a vanity item?
Larik Olen	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:47:00 - [102] Just seen the prices and the laughably small selection and am horribly disappointed and outraged at the same time. 12000 AUR for a Monocle?! You've gotta be joking. After all the BS about microtransactions, CCP drop the ball yet AGAIN by selling these pixel clothes for more than the price of real ones!! No f*ckin way. This better change, and damn fast, or virtually no one will buy them.
Ady	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:48:00 - [103] CCP WTF!!! why are net clothes more costly than real ones WHERES THE JUICY FUN ****! I want a proper manacle from the early years and a freekin tophat for lulz!
Mr Plack	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:48:00 - [104] Edited by: Mr Plack on 21/06/2011 23:54:44 Originally by: Nye Jaran CCP - You need a half-off sale, stat. The prices are a **ing joke. Seriously, it's an obvious **ing cash grab. Congrats on whoring yourselves out. Not that I planned on ever buying anything as silly as a vanity item for RL money but I'd still like to say that the above statement accurately describes my opinion on this matter. You used to be a bunch of cool freaks making a kick ass game for the sake of making a good game - and that's how you acted towards us, your customers. But recently you've been getting more and more business-y and clearly interested mainly in bleeding as much cash out of the game as possible. It makes me sad and vaguely sick to my stomach. You lost a lot of the respect I had left for you today, CCP. @Whoever came up with this idea and decided upon the prices: you (and people like you) are literally the reason our world is such a screwed up place.
Mangala Solaris Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:48:00 - [105] Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. I loled ================
Minsc Gallente Alpha Empire	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:48:00 - [106] Cmon nobody actually thinks those are the right prices....right...I mean there can't be THAT many dense people in EVE...can there?
Idami Raptor Gallente E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:48:00 - [107] Even STO, a game that pretty much only survives because of the C-Store, doesn't charge anywhere NEAR that much. Their most expensive items are generally SHIPS that actually DO something, and clothing comes in sets. And you can't lose them once you buy them! You've got a literally infinite supply, and generally for all the characters on your account! For single-instance, destructible items to cost anywhere near that much is just plain dumb.
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:49:00 - [108] Every single patch there has been since I have stated playing there was an opportunity for players to make some gold rush money for over priced new items. Until now. It seems that CCP took that for them selves this time.
Phoenus Caldari Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:49:00 - [109] Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. You'll need to pay a $99 license fee before that happens, sorry.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:49:00 - [110] Originally by: Ishnadriel I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 45$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... You've seen the facebook games right? People fork over tons of cash for that. And that's a ****ing facebook game. CCP is being downright cordial about pricing.

Thalis Malu	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:49:00 - [111] I'm at work so I can't see this money grab for myself but I'm willing to bet the "bizdev" section of CCP is fapping at these prices. Just like they are about the IP licences for 3rd party developers.
Shang Ty Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:49:00 - [112] Wow, and I thought Blizzard's sparkle pony was bad. I've bought real clothes for less. Doesn't make any sense that a clothing item costs more that some capitol ships. WTG CCP, you really have lost your mind. I'd post a blog about it, but I'd be afraid I'd have to cough up $99 for a license for that too.
Creetalor Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:50:00 - [113] What does a classic waist clincher have to do on a military blouse it looks so bad and unmilitary like. Make the male uniform unisex I do not need a waist clincher im not that fat!!!! ALSO a bil for a full set of clothes I know its special vanity but it is over the top! ----------------------------------------
Zakua Corbin	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:50:00 - [114] WTT Navy issue APOC for some cool gear! hahaaa, Im just reeling over this....NUTZ!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:50:00 - [115] Originally by: stoicfaux Prices should be at most, 1/10 of what they are now. Even then, the monocle would still be outrageous. àyeah, but then they would have to make sure that more of them get destroyed to keep the demand up and the cash rolling in. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:50:00 - [116] LOL And the most hilarious thing? People will buy stuff for that price! This is highly amusing.
Massirth Stonestream	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:50:00 - [117] "Give me monocles or give me death" ?! well, i choose to die than.. Very impressive.. Making ppl spreading there eyes out for that new stuff and kicking them six feet under with these hilarious prices.. wow.. amazing.. anyway, i like it ^^
egot istical	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:51:00 - [118] Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama Can i warp directly to Jita from Fountain with the 45$ monocle? i'd expect jita > fountain with the shirt, for the monocle i'd demand nothing less than a teleporter that gives me access to jove space.
Jamie Banks Quantum Horizons	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:51:00 - [119] Edited by: Jamie Banks on 21/06/2011 23:51:52 I almost never post rage in whine threads. But this is truly the beginning of the end of EVE. Well Done CCP. _______________________________ Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' AU/NZ Corp Register
Blunted Blazer	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:51:00 - [120] Wow ccp.. the plex to aurum conversion seems pretty nuts, especially for a new player like me. Hopefully the market will get flooded & prices will drop? Some pretty sweet art tho. Cant wait to see whats up next ;)

roq deelim	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:51:00 - [121] Edited by: roq deelim on 21/06/2011 23:51:32 dear CCP i know iceland was hit hard (or those banks there) by the finacial crisis back then, but srsly??! are you sure that volcano only spit some ashes into the air?? i think some very strong brain-killing gas must be in your atmosphere too...
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:51:00 - [122] I hate it too when CCP forces me at gunpoint to buy things in game, and I have no choice but to comply. Wait... they don't. Drama llamas. HABIT
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:52:00 - [123] Originally by: Khefira Good thing to see 7 years of Incarna development going somewhere Oh wai- The sad part is they started from scratch in January 2011. ______________________________
Awesome Possum Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:52:00 - [124] Originally by: Phoenus Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. You'll need to pay a $99 license fee before that happens, sorry. pyramid quoting before my ban cause i love you ♥
Your Stuff	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:52:00 - [125] Hahaha. What is really amusing is that CCP devoted so many resources to this feature which no one will use. I hope all the fanbois who chanted Incarna and drank the Kool-Aid have fun working a full day's pay at $10 / hour to afford their pretty dress. What a waste. And don't think it won't stop here, there will be more and more items needed for the RM Store pulling more and more resources from our game. During the discussion at the Alliance Tournament, there was no commitment to re-focusing assets on SPACESHIPS. 18 months my ass. CCP Hammer no longer has anything to do with Eve as we know it, and is studying how to further deploy more RM items for Eve. We haven't even touched DUST which will be even worse, as they do intend to allow RM items which do affect game play, which will spill over to Eve. And CCP Zinfandel? Not impressed at all. GB2 whatever hole you seem to enjoy sniffing.
Moolti Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:52:00 - [126] I'd pay these prices... if it was for a design i submitted that only I will ever get. This... this is crazy. It's not even good looking clothing, it's all the same brown/grey crap a college student would wear. jeeze.... and I was all prepared to drop a plex or two on the store. I'm exactly who would have dropped 500 Aurum per item and bought out the store, but 2000.... ! . @)}---^----- The Jove are a warning to us all. We must remember to live and Love and feel. Fall in Love, make Love, be beautful and see the beautiful. For we mustn't loose our human spark
Gothikia Regeneration	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:53:00 - [127] Originally by: Phoenus Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. You'll need to pay a $99 license fee before that happens, sorry. HAhahahahaha +1 That's so true Join Regeneration!
Klingon Admiral Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:53:00 - [128] This is the end of Micropayment Let the glorious age of Macropayment begin! But interesting that a mononocle is about the price auf a dreadnought. o0
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:53:00 - [129] There are currently a half dozen CCP guys, and Zinfandel is among them, in the ingame HELP channel. Lets everybody go over there and call them out on this BULL****
Euphonus	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:53:00 - [130] Originally by: Gothikia Originally by: Phoenus Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 21/06/2011 23:34:59 For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. You'll need to pay a $99 license fee before that happens, sorry. HAhahahahaha +1 That's so true So much win.

Farrisen Caldari Nth Dimension	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:53:00 - [131] Originally by: egot istical Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama Can i warp directly to Jita from Fountain with the 45$ monocle? i'd expect jita > fountain with the shirt, for the monocle i'd demand nothing less than a teleporter that gives me access to jove space. Yes that sounds fair enuf. I mean 4 plexes for a Teleporter to Jove space sounds good Originally by: CCP Spitfire It's because of falcon. Originally by: Korinne People used to say that Incarna would come out when Duke Nukem Forever comes out.
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:54:00 - [132] Well ive just unsubbed... This + need a PS3 to play dust = 3 months till sub runs out and need a major move from CCP for me to get back on board
Tsubutai The Tuskers	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:54:00 - [133] I like how they're synergizing their revenue streams to take advantage of new opportunities in the exciting world of macrotransactions, n1 n1.
Zanes Shoubje	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:54:00 - [134] Nice one CCP. Really, its funny. To all the whiners, nobody is forcing you to buy ****.
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:55:00 - [135] CCP have screwed up. Again.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:55:00 - [136] Originally by: Klingon Admiral This is the end of Micropayment Let the glorious age of Macropayment begin! Wellà micro = 10^-6, so really, this should be megapayment (10^6). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Khefira	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:55:00 - [137] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Khefira Good thing to see 7 years of Incarna development going somewhere Oh wai- The sad part is they started from scratch in January 2011. Incarna has been in development for wayyyyy longer. All they did was adding 1 CQ. GJ CCP! claps hands
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:55:00 - [138] Originally by: Awesome Possum For 12,000 Aurum/ $45 I want CCP Sunset to fly her snaggly toothed, fake redheaded ass to Miami and give me a throat gagging blow job in the middle of HIA-FUCKIN'-LEAH during rush hour while cubans circle us in their lowriders throwing churros at her tits. and the skunt better swallow. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
daddys helper	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:55:00 - [139] CCP credo its never a bad idea until the forums tell us it is
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:56:00 - [140] Hey guys, anyone want to pay $100 for a monocle???

Di Mulle	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:57:00 - [141] If this only a distant indication what DUST stuff will cost... hehe
Luciffer 13	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:57:00 - [142] You guys should remember it is compleatly optional and indestructible. And if u want to play PradaOnline they shoul charge u eaven more. Now stop looking urself in mirrors undock and go blow up somone or get blown up.. -------------------------------------- English is not my first language!
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:57:00 - [143] So what your all saying is, that Quafe shirt i should be getting as a bonus for buying the online Fanfest ticket was actually a reall good deal? Or was that just a deposit? --------------------------
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:57:00 - [144] LOL - CCP you have lost it. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Creetalor Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:57:00 - [145] I would understand if you get 1 entire set for 1 plex it would still be a bit OP but then I could even live with it if you lost the clothes when you get podded, however not with those rediculous prices ----------------------------------------
Zed Jackelope Original Sin.	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:57:00 - [146] Confirming that Possum would NEVER have made any such comment about CCP StevieSG, because she is the most awesome thing in the world. I am not one of Awesome Possum's alts
Ozzie Asrail Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:58:00 - [147] Did someone lose the micro part of microtransactions?
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:58:00 - [148] In before Zulu calls it a "draft" of sorts lol. -- Originally by: CCP Elais It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
Seleene	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:59:00 - [149] NO, the final prices of this stuff was NOT discussed with the CSM. When we asked, they were "still researching that" and "no final decisions" had been made. ---- Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff.
Moolti Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:59:00 - [150] Originally by: Zeko Rena So what your all saying is, that Quafe shirt i should be getting as a bonus for buying the online Fanfest ticket was actually a reall good deal? Or was that just a deposit? Speaking of, where is my Quafe shirt? . @)}---^----- The Jove are a warning to us all. We must remember to live and Love and feel. Fall in Love, make Love, be beautful and see the beautiful. For we mustn't loose our human spark

Henrica Gaufridus	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:00:00 - [151] So let's see here. I could buy, T2 fit, and possibly insure SIX battleships, or I could buy that skirt that really flatters my fat ass. Hmmmm.... I mean, I'm a girl, so I'm really torn here between "useful" and "makes my butt look cute".
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:00:00 - [152] CCP, I love you. I really do. But every once in a while... Well, it's just that I'm not sure if you love me. There's this disconnect here. You have such a good sense of humor, you're handsome, you have a nice voice... But then I see past this outer shell and I see the real CCP and I realize that sometimes our core values are just too different. You can make it up to me, I guess, but the apology had better be good and sincere (and involve chocolate), and I want you to promise to never take me for granted again. We can make this work, CCP. I want it to work. Do you? - "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object
Flamespar	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:00:00 - [153] It's a Vanity store, not a two dollar shop ... Geez By the way. Has anyone checked to see what happens when you pod a player who is wearing clothes they brought with Aurum. Perhaps there is a cheaper way ... just saying.
Generals4 Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:01:00 - [154] This must be part of their "plex prize stabilization plan" . Make the prices so ridiculous no one purchases them => less plex demand => plex prizes go down.
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:01:00 - [155] Edited by: Raid''En on 22/06/2011 00:06:05 [x] kill a market before it can even launch no serioulsy, CCP here you REALLY screwed. why would people bother spending hundreds of millions on clothes while other people can't even see them ? oh sure it's visible on the avatar, but you think a little avatar is worth 4 months of subs ?! edit : oh and i forgot something they did not even put ALL there clothes here ; there were 4x more clothes on singularity...
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:01:00 - [156] I'm not even going to yell this time. I just plain give up now.
Token Afrodude	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:01:00 - [157] Originally by: Seleene NO, the final prices of this stuff was NOT discussed with the CSM. When we asked, they were "still researching that" and "no final decisions" had been made. no playin it off that way now. lol. thrown under the bus much CCP?
danyalsun	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:02:00 - [158] Edited by: danyalsun on 22/06/2011 00:08:19 Originally by: Zanes Shoubje To all the whiners, nobody is forcing you to buy **. How much time have they wasted on this ** that could have been spent introducing new ships? God forbid Internet Spaceships gets new spaceships once in a while
Alissa Solette	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:03:00 - [159] Edited by: Alissa Solette on 22/06/2011 00:04:30 When I heard about lulzsec DDOSing eve i thought "wow, what bunch of **heads.. why not attack some big bad corporation like Blizzard instead of a decent company like CCP". Now, after seeing this rip-off that CCP calls "micro**transactions" I think they might have not been so far off target after all.
Token Afrodude	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:04:00 - [160] To be honest, id be happy with things that WORK somewhat decently. /emote Looks at his pure gallente pilot and sighs

Borameir Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:04:00 - [161] If they want to make money they'll lower the prices. As it stands one might do a single $45 purchase but not buy anything else, but with lower prices you'd be willing to pay $10 for something several times potentially netting more money. Right? I know that's how it would work for me, except I'm not buying anything at those prices. ______________ In the beginning God created balls, then man played with them. This became known as Sports.
Proffessor Drake Astroforge Industries 4U Holdings Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:04:00 - [162] Originally by: Andrea Griffin CCP, I love you. I really do. But every once in a while... Well, it's just that I'm not sure if you love me. There's this disconnect here. You have such a good sense of humor, you're handsome, you have a nice voice... But then I see past this outer shell and I see the real CCP and I realize that sometimes our core values are just too different. You can make it up to me, I guess, but the apology had better be good and sincere (and involve chocolate), and I want you to promise to never take me for granted again. We can make this work, CCP. I want it to work. Do you? sadly for me, i dont think an apology would unbreak my heart. /unsubbed i hear perpetuum is kinda like eve and just starting out :P
Creetalor Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:04:00 - [163] Also what about the female ISHUKONE SPECIAL I say make male military possible unisex it is sexist to say females all want the waist clincher ----------------------------------------
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:05:00 - [164] Originally by: Seleene NO, the final prices of this stuff was NOT discussed with the CSM. When we asked, they were "still researching that" and "no final decisions" had been made. Well that is a real shocker. SKUNK (o)
Tammarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:05:00 - [165] Edited by: Tammarr on 22/06/2011 00:06:08 Utterly ridiculous. I'll go buy me a new set of rl clothes, god knows thats better spent money. Micro transactions is not: Shell over only 15$$$ for this ingame item. Micro transactions are: Oh, look: 1$ for a new farm, 10c for a weapon upgrade. dumdidum,
Farrisen Caldari Nth Dimension	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:05:00 - [166] [00:04:15] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. So yeah, there we go. Originally by: CCP Spitfire It's because of falcon. Originally by: Korinne People used to say that Incarna would come out when Duke Nukem Forever comes out.
Cacophonus	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:05:00 - [167] Quote: CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. But you can also buy them on the... What an asinine, dumbass, ignorant way to justify your outrages prices. You're telling me some fake item is worth 45 euros because of some bull**** roleplay reason?
HooKz	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:06:00 - [168] ú10 for a virtual jacket? i would rather buy a whole pc game for that money thanks. Or I could just go to oxfam and get a REAL jacket...
XIRUSPHERE Gallente The 8th Order	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:06:00 - [169] 5+ years of complete and utter BS to have you show how shortsighted and truly greedy people at the top can debase and ruin any company. I've been with you since beta, and I can honestly say I wont mind as this crap burns down around you.
Myrkala Minmatar Rebel Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:07:00 - [170] http://store.eveonline.com Guristas Hooded Sweatshirt : 39.99$ EVE Logo T-Shirt : 19.99$ NeX Aurum Store: Virtual Vanity Item, "Space Monocle" : 12,000 Aurum = 4x PLEX = 2x EVE TIME CODES = 2x 35$ = 70$ - Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Minmatar? More like Winmatar.

Vernn Miller Caldari Dreddit	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:07:00 - [171] Getting in on this just to call CCP and whoever worked on the Store plain greedy and just totally utterly ***ing stupid. Buy a shirt for my ken in space doll, or use that plex to buy a battleship and a couple battlecruisers? golfclap*
Brutal Dose	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:07:00 - [172] filed a petition as the Noble store prices seem to be broken. trust this will be resolved soon regards, Brutal
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:08:00 - [173] Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 22/06/2011 00:08:46 I eagerly await the back peddling from CCP over this downright horrible expansion. I thought doing stagged releases was suppose to help you all figure this **** out before hand. Obviously its not working or you seriously just don't care. edit: But hey its not like we didn't try to warn you about this months ago. Way to listen to your player base.
Tus Gallente Kryton Solutions Cognitive Development	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:08:00 - [174] How much AUR will it cost for CCP to stop bending us over?
Kal Azmir Gallente CHON THE R0NIN	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:08:00 - [175] Seems to me like someone in CCP put an extra 0 at the end of each price... Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Cor'len The Silence of Thunder	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:08:00 - [176] This is hilarious. CCP has been ***ing away customer goodwill like nothing I've ever seen before this past month. First the hubbub about the $99 "commercial" application dev fee ("commercial" as in "you can't actually charge money for your application", ), and now - after barely agreeing to only sell vanity items - they charge so hilariously high prices for them you could actually buy a computer capable of playing EVE for less than a couple full outfits*. Hell, I'm sure you could find something for the price of a goddamned monocle. Great job, CCP! Did your agreement with Sony require you to sink to their depths after the hacking fiasco, so they wouldn't feel so alone? Because everyone apart from the guys in the programming department seem to be off their rocker, management most of all. -Cor There'd be a graphical sig here if I wasn't so lazy.
Shepard Book	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:10:00 - [177] Originally by: Ishnadriel I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 45$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... First people cry there will be a store. Now they cry about prices...Sell your plex if you do not want vanity stuff. I think this is all hilarious.
Captain Alcatraz Invicta. Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:10:00 - [178] cannot unsee what has been seen even if CCP lower the prices they have already proved us how greedy and disconnected from the playerbase they have become
Janatheth	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:10:00 - [179] You'd think people would be more positive about the pricing; at this rate, microtransactions will be a short-lived experiment. One can only wonder how much they were going to change for the Ishukone Watch Scorpion
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:10:00 - [180] if it's 12000 for the monocle think about how much it will be when they release the long coat that are on sisi.

Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:10:00 - [181] Who cares, I got new turrets models. Dont give a flying **** about any monocle.
oprime S0utherN Comfort Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:10:00 - [182] In before delete lol
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:10:00 - [183] Originally by: Cacophonus Quote: CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. But you can also buy them on the... What an asinine, dumbass, ignorant way to justify your outrages prices. You're telling me some fake item is worth 45 euros because of some bull**** roleplay reason? Yeah, considering that clothing costs more than real-life physical objects, and far more than internet spaceships. This is almost as bad as the damage control in the last few dev blogs. Come on guys, stop failing us. ______________________________
xwolfi	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:11:00 - [184] Edited by: xwolfi on 22/06/2011 00:12:35 It's a bit offensive, we don't all come from rich countries and seing these prices for virtual goods is shocking, how many people will waste money others could spend hours earning ? I now understand the "noble exchange" name but in my country we killed all the nobles 2 centuries ago, hope it will be this way in eve too :D
FunzzeR The Wyld Hunt Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:12:00 - [185] I can almost but a cheap suit in a department store for what these so called "vanity items" currently cost... PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Hiram Alexander Caldari The Night Crew	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:12:00 - [186] I'm going to bed, lol... I'm almost speechless at just how ******ed these prices are. Seriously, CCP...? How many cruise missiles for a skirt...? I'm gonna work that out later. 'Disgusted' doesn't cut it. HD Character Creation Videos - http://www.youtube.com/user/LexHiram?feature=mhsn
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:12:00 - [187] Well, at least Incarna runs faster than on Singularity.
Rikter Akiga	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:13:00 - [188] Originally by: Farrisen [00:04:15] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. So yeah, there we go. wow really?????? Greed knows no bounds i see. i honestly thought CCP was a LITTLE bit better than this. guess not. sad part is This is only the beginning. have fun guys. /unsub
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:13:00 - [189] Some great quotes: Quote: [ 2011.06.22 00:00:44 ] CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. But you can also buy them on the...
Galane The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:13:00 - [190] If this is an example of Icelandic economics it's no wonder your country is ****ed

Katrishar Minmatar Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:13:00 - [191] bump :( The dev blog should have been titled "Give me $15 to $45 for 1 piece of clothing or give me bankruptcy." Its a shame that they didn't set expectations for pricing. The clothing prices are shocking, and shameful.
Picard Facepalm Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:14:00 - [192] Usually, I only reply to asinine players. However, you deserve it this time, CCP. /facepalm
Alexi Blue Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:14:00 - [193] Incarna = pet project to test new engine for future games and to get funding from nVidia. Engine that is extremely inefficient and doesn't work on a larger scale with the technology available today. If Incarna was meant for EVE we could walk in stations today and talk to hundreds of people face to face. But I guess having realistic and physically correct hair and cloth movement is more important, right CCP? ---
Ishnadriel	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:15:00 - [194] Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:15:53 Originally by: Shepard Book Originally by: Ishnadriel I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 45$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... First people cry there will be a store. Now they cry about prices...Sell your plex if you do not want vanity stuff. I think this is all hilarious. Hey i never cried about the store. In fact i approve the store 100% but the prices are really out of "mmo standard" as they are atm, just go and see Champions Online or Star Tre Online C-store, the prices are well done for micro transactions as for clothes and so on.
Bossanova Widya	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:15:00 - [195] I bet the odd millionaire plays eve... they will buy that ****!!
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:17:00 - [196] Originally by: Proffessor Drake remember guys, its a hobby. i mean, we all like to spend cash on our hobbies right? am i right? I too can afford to buy 4 plexes ($60) just for some internet pixels. You must all live in a third world country or something, or you should quit your low paid bank manager job and get a real job. coming up next, you can buy a shop in a station for only $15,000 or 1000 plexes. Rent will be 10 plexes per month ($150) since CCP seem to think they can apply real world monetary values that are attached to goods sourced from finite materials for make believe pixels genrated on a computer. WTF is next? BOYCOTT Actually, its an ISK sink. I think I get what CCP's doing here. They didn't want you to go out and purchase plex for cash to buy this stuff, they wanted people to grind up 2 billion isk to buy a space monocle. I can't heal stupid
Herring Caldari Pimpology	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:17:00 - [197] I'm starting to think that after six pages and no official reply that they fully intend to charge the high prices. Hell, they're probably watching rubes buy them up and laughing at this point. But I can't login so I don't even know if you can do market history for this kind of crap so I'm just reading at eating popcorn at this point.
Henrica Gaufridus	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:18:00 - [198] I have to admit, I was REALLY excited to see Incarna, especially once I'd played around with it on SiSi. I thought "What a great idea, to finally have a use for how my avatar looks! I can strut around in CFM Boots, a tight skirt, and a Quafe shirt that shows my belly!" Unfortunately, this would involve either selling most of my assets or sneaking my way up the chain in an alliance and stealing all assets that weren't nailed down. Seriously, CCP, this is pretty ridiculous.
Randomize All	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:18:00 - [199] If the Ocular implant gives you x-ray vision, then it's possibly worth it. If not.. well.. then.. it isn't. But somebody will have bought one by now, because somebody will want to have been the first person to own one. So at the board meeting tomorrow at ccp, there will be "GREAT SUCCESS!" on the projector.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:18:00 - [200] Originally by: Ron Bacardi Uh yeah, I don't usually bash CCP, but, cmon, you trollin right? Someone missed a decimal point somewhere? Well, I dunno. Think about it. Is the monocle going to cost $45 or $4.50? And would you still buy it at $4.50? Overly expensive to me for what it is either way.

Intimidating Carebear	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:18:00 - [201] virtual item or......... Real Life Clothing wtf, you can get a ben sherman's shirt for about the same cost as u don ur character with a beep beep beep lol
Ay Liz Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:18:00 - [202] I wonder how much the Scorpion will be.. When a funny monocle already costs 12000 AUR.. a battleship will probably cost in the range of 50000 AUR?
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:19:00 - [203] Predictable. Can this be a death march? The funny thing is.... NOBODY else can even see you in your $80 boots or whatever.
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:19:00 - [204] Remember Plex for Good? The total amount given to Japan would be enough to fully clothe 106 in game characters. Seriously ****ing stupid.
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:19:00 - [205] Originally by: Aiwha Actually, its an ISK sink. I think I get what CCP's doing here. They didn't want you to go out and purchase plex for cash to buy this stuff, they wanted people to grind up 2 billion isk to buy a space monocle. Sometimes I worry that I might be wrong. It's posts like these that reassure me.
Thean Maxtus	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:19:00 - [206] I won't ragequit at this point. But something in me just died.
Ranita Drell	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:20:00 - [207] Quote: What an asinine, dumbass, ignorant way to justify your outrages prices. You're telling me some fake item is worth 45 euros because of some bull**** roleplay reason? Of course that's not the reason for the pricing. That's the in-game justification, but of course it's total nonsense. What's to stop the capsuleer from base-lining (or sending a personal shopper out) for a couple hours to spend 2000 ISK at the EVE equivalent of The Gap to get four complete wardrobes worth of clothing? I guess it would shame a capsuleer to be seen in anything less than the best, most ridiculously priced fashions. This dire need for luxury and extravagance does not, apparently, extend to the capsuleer's living space, where it looks like they sleep on a tiny concrete slab.
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:20:00 - [208] One word responses are lame, but this one is well deserved: ÇÇP Psst; microtransactions; guess what that actually means...
Satander Zeiss Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:20:00 - [209] If this pricing is anything to go by the Ishukone skinned Scorpions will be suicide ganked on general principle.
Amber Villaneous	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:20:00 - [210] Edited by: Amber Villaneous on 22/06/2011 00:20:56 And... microtransactions for stuff that actually effect game play are just around the corner. Flame away, I'm just adding to my library of posts on the same subject so later on I can quote myself for all the idiots that keep flaming said posts.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:20:00 - [211] Originally by: Aiwha Actually, its an ISK sink. I think I get what CCP's doing here. They didn't want you to go out and purchase plex for cash to buy this stuff, they wanted people to grind up 2 billion isk to buy a space monocle. It's not an ISK sink. No ISK is being removed here ù only traded between players. This is a PLEX sink. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:20:00 - [212] I have, in the past, been one of the most vehement CCP defenders on the forums, and even I think that this is downright ludicrous. I can only hope it is a mistake; one which will be swiftly corrected if the devs want to maintan any pretense of credibility.
Zackgar Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:21:00 - [213] Posting in an epic threadnaught But seriously, were the economists on holiday or something, you guys know about supply and demand right? I mean you could make more selling lots of shiny vanity items cheaply than selling 4 or 5 at a stupid high price? Also the players wouldnt feel like the women I wake up next to in the morning, dirty used and ashamed!
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:21:00 - [214] I already wasn't going to bother with the Aurum store ****, but seeing those ridiculous prices I'm going to not bother with it even more.
Zyck Imminent Ruin Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:21:00 - [215] These prices can't be **ing serious. A full plex for a **ing jacket?
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:21:00 - [216] LOL @ CCP... I dont regret my subscription cancellation in the least bit.
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:21:00 - [217] Adding the monicle reduce's session change time/lag. im jumping thru gates faster than ever before due to the monicle. buy buy buy _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Bane Necran Furtim Vigilans	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:22:00 - [218] Edited by: Bane Necran on 22/06/2011 00:22:58 Whoever does buy them using PLEX/AUR, can then charge people who live in mortal fear of those currencies a lot of ISK for the same items on the open market. Not sure if they can now, but that's the idea. Acting like they're demanding real cash from your pocket for everything is shortsighted.
Saile Litestrider	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:22:00 - [219] I'll tell you what's still fresh in my mind, Valve's TF2 hats. Everyone was sure (or at least hoped) that the ridiculous prices were either an oversight or a joke, but several patches later, it just got depressing. It's really hard to even play that game anymore, it's practically become one giant ad for hats. I really hope CCP isn't trying to pull a Valve. Microtransactions should be measured in cents, not dollars. There's nothing "micro" about a $20 hat.
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:22:00 - [220] 85$ for a complete male suit with a monocle or so. I wouldnt pay 85$ for a pair on shoes in RL lol

Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 - [221] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 22/06/2011 00:23:00 Massively/Joystiq news tip link Contact Massively with a news tip. Get the word out, make CCP the mockery it deserves to be.
Moolti Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 - [222] Originally by: Ranita Drell Quote: What an asinine, dumbass, ignorant way to justify your outrages prices. You're telling me some fake item is worth 45 euros because of some bull** roleplay reason? Of course that's not the reason for the pricing. That's the in-game justification, but of course it's total nonsense. What's to stop the capsuleer from base-lining (or sending a personal shopper out) for a couple hours to spend 2000 ISK at the EVE equivalent of The Gap to get four complete wardrobes worth of clothing? I guess it would shame a capsuleer to be seen in anything less than the best, most ridiculously priced fashions. This dire need for luxury and extravagance does not, apparently, extend to the capsuleer's living space, where it looks like they sleep on a tiny concrete slab. It's not even good luxury clothing. It's tame as t-shirts and brown/grey **. I might could see paying $20 for a very elaborate dress, or some ubercool tuxedo, but for this stuff... this clothing isn't even very science fiction-y. . @)}---^----- The Jove are a warning to us all. We must remember to live and Love and feel. Fall in Love, make Love, be beautful and see the beautiful. For we mustn't loose our human spark
Galane The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 - [223] Originally by: Aiwha Actually, its an ISK sink. I think I get what CCP's doing here. They didn't want you to go out and purchase plex for cash to buy this stuff, they wanted people to grind up 2 billion isk to buy a space monocle. I think it's more likely they want people to break up a lot of the plexes they have stockpiled so they won't have to honour the massive loan they've taken out from the playerbase and have most likely already spent on dust or world of emos.
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 - [224] Originally by: Aiwha Actually, its an ISK sink. I think I get what CCP's doing here. They didn't want you to go out and purchase plex for cash to buy this stuff, they wanted people to grind up 2 billion isk to buy a space monocle. How is it an ISK sink if the ISK isn't going anywhere? You give it to the PLEX seller, he does whatever. It's purely redistributive.
W0wbagger Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 - [225] inb4 ccp coins the phrase megatransactions
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 - [226] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Aiwha Actually, its an ISK sink. I think I get what CCP's doing here. They didn't want you to go out and purchase plex for cash to buy this stuff, they wanted people to grind up 2 billion isk to buy a space monocle. It's not an ISK sink. No ISK is being removed here ù only traded between players. This is a PLEX sink. Players trade money for plex then plex for isk. A for B for C, A for C via B. This might lower dampen plex prices, thus making it easier for people to play the game purely for isk. It makes sense. And I'm not buying a space monocle. I can't heal stupid
Johnny Roszel	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 - [227] I don't think I would even bother with this feature unless a full set of clothing would be like $1 for the entire set. There is really no point in it even existing unless other people can see you out of your ship. Which they cannot yet.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 - [228] What was the point of introducing the AUR when you could have taken PLEX directly as payment? I was considering spending a PLEX or two sitting in my hangar for some fancy clothes but this is bloody absurd.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 - [229] Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Originally by: Aiwha Actually, its an ISK sink. I think I get what CCP's doing here. They didn't want you to go out and purchase plex for cash to buy this stuff, they wanted people to grind up 2 billion isk to buy a space monocle. How is it an ISK sink if the ISK isn't going anywhere? You give it to the PLEX seller, he does whatever. It's purely redistributive. Correct. This is a PLEX sink, not an ISK sink. ______________________________
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 - [230] Monacles or Death Fill it up! However, CCP didn't bother listening to anyone in their OFFICIAL FEEDBACK thread but I have a feeling once it hits 100+ pages they may give it a look..... BTW-- This is no ISK sink as some posts say. If it were an ISK sink then ISK would be removed from the economy. Buying Plex for ISK only eliminates a Plex. The ISK just changes hands. A true ISK sink would be the LP stores. *Every GTC you buy to convert to Plex to buy vanity items give CCP an excuse to keep milking the player base.*

Alissa Solette	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 - [231] Oh just thought of something: do you remember when CCP tried to introduce a paid voice chat (eve voice) even tho any mentally challenged 11 year old internet gamer could tell you that you can just download TS for tree... I hope this abomination of an item store (or scam might be a good word for it) will go the same way... into the trash can.
Cacophonus	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 - [232] Originally by: Moolti Originally by: Ranita Drell Quote: Quote: CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. But you can also buy them on the... What an asinine, dumbass, ignorant way to justify your outrages prices. You're telling me some fake item is worth 45 euros because of some bull** roleplay reason? Of course that's not the reason for the pricing. That's the in-game justification, but of course it's total nonsense. What's to stop the capsuleer from base-lining (or sending a personal shopper out) for a couple hours to spend 2000 ISK at the EVE equivalent of The Gap to get four complete wardrobes worth of clothing? I guess it would shame a capsuleer to be seen in anything less than the best, most ridiculously priced fashions. This dire need for luxury and extravagance does not, apparently, extend to the capsuleer's living space, where it looks like they sleep on a tiny concrete slab. It's not even good luxury clothing. It's tame as t-shirts and brown/grey **. I might could see paying $20 for a very elaborate dress, or some ubercool tuxedo, but for this stuff... this clothing isn't even very science fiction-y.
Toawa EVE Mercantile Exchange Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:25:00 - [233] Yeah, the prices are pretty insane. I do not think, however, that CCP is equally so; I have no doubt that the prices will be going down, by a lot, in short order. Originally by: Cor'len This is hilarious. CCP has been ***ing away customer goodwill like nothing I've ever seen before this past month. First the hubbub about the $99 "commercial" application dev fee ("commercial" as in "you can't actually charge money for your application", ) I'd love to know where you heard that, since in every mention of it that they've made that I've seen, they have pretty explicitly said that the entire point of the commercial license is so that you can* charge money for your application. And as someone who actually writes software for a living, I can say that a $99, non-royalty license to write commercial software for a property like EVE is a bargain. They could charge 10 times as much and still have takers for it. (Not as many, of course, but still...)
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:25:00 - [234] Here's a suggestion: Hype The F**k Off!
Vitrix Dellmar Gallente Depreciated Capital Assets	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:25:00 - [235] Wow. So I can buy a fake eyeball or a nicely equiped Navy Raven and the 1000's of crew members on it plus bloody damn missiles to throw out of it. And a stack of exotic dancers to hang off the rear view mirror for good luck. EPIC fail CCP. No selection and you moved the decimal point about 2 spots too far to the right. Massive *****mongering greed CCP. We waited all day for this? God, the turrets had better be fan-f#$%ing-tastic...
Equinox 6	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:25:00 - [236] What is wrong with you people, why are you compareing the aur with real money??? you grind a few missions and rather than buy another faction invul field you buy some pants for your avie.. thats hard? 3 plex isnt $40 its 1.2bill isk. stop crying and stfu! Its the stations that suck, why why why, it achieves nothing, sludgy controls, crap camera... cmon why ccp
Technovar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:25:00 - [237] Originally by: Jovan Geldon I have, in the past, been one of the most vehement CCP defenders on the forums, and even I think that this is downright ludicrous. I can only hope it is a mistake; one which will be swiftly corrected if the devs want to maintan any pretense of credibility. Yup, pretty much this.
Myxx Atropos Group	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:27:00 - [238] Edited by: Myxx on 22/06/2011 00:27:55 ill be letting my account go dormant, then, if this isn't sorted out. WTF CCP!!! Yeah, this is why I said NO to microtransactions originally. Going to start saying, 'told you so' right about now. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye). Originally by: Tom Gerard Then again... I am a moron.
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:28:00 - [239] Originally by: Aiwha Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Aiwha Actually, its an ISK sink. I think I get what CCP's doing here. They didn't want you to go out and purchase plex for cash to buy this stuff, they wanted people to grind up 2 billion isk to buy a space monocle. It's not an ISK sink. No ISK is being removed here ù only traded between players. This is a PLEX sink. Players trade money for plex then plex for isk. A for B for C, A for C via B. This might lower dampen plex prices, thus making it easier for people to play the game purely for isk. It makes sense. And I'm not buying a space monocle. Wait you think this is going to lower PLEX prices? Adam Smith would like to have a word with you. The ISK you pay for PLEX does not disappear. It goes into the hands of the people selling you the PLEX. They buy this PLEX with actual money, and keep the ISK/spend it elsewhere. CCP does not sell you PLEX for ISK. It sells you PLEX for US$. Capisce?
Talsha Talamar Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:28:00 - [240] Originally by: stoicfaux Prices should be at most, 1/10 of what they are now. Even then, the monocle would still be outrageous. Given the fact that the items are destroyable und unique, I would not even buy them at 1/10 of their current pricing.

Khefira	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:28:00 - [241] Originally by: Equinox 6 What is wrong with you people, why are you compareing the aur with real money??? you grind a few missions and rather than buy another faction invul field you buy some pants for your avie.. thats hard? 3 plex isnt $40 its 1.2bill isk. stop crying and stfu! Its the stations that suck, why why why, it achieves nothing, sludgy controls, crap camera... cmon why ccp Wow, you dont even know how PLEX are created in the first place, right?
Vernn Miller Caldari Dreddit	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:29:00 - [242] Originally by: Jada Maroo Edited by: Jada Maroo on 22/06/2011 00:23:00 Massively/Joystiq news tip link Contact Massively with a news tip. Get the word out, make CCP the mockery it deserves to be. Signed and sent.
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:30:00 - [243] where is Millia ? this was too much for her heart ?
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:30:00 - [244] Still totally stunned at those prices....I really, really hope that it's just a decimal mistake. ~Gnosis~
Torgon Rialis Sanctum Heavy Industries Sandcrawler Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:32:00 - [245] I assume they're just pricing them very high in the initial rollout so that plex prices don't spike precipitously.
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:32:00 - [246] Originally by: J Kunjeh Still totally stunned at those prices....I really, really hope that it's just a decimal mistake. It is... CCP forgot to shift it one place further to the right to make even more money off the player base!
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:32:00 - [247] Another priceless remark by a CCP employee (seriously, what's the secret to this brainwashing?): Quote: [00:30:40] CCP Zinfandel > Benilopax - A glass eye would be less expensive by far. This complex machinery and nano tech is not only expensive, but Noble Appliances is trying to tap into the lucrative capsuleer market with the latest bling.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:33:00 - [248] Well the good thing is that CCP only need to sell 10 of each item to make up for the dev cost to create said item...
Tarix Loken Pandorum Research Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:36:00 - [249] Logged in, saw this...guess this is the nail in the coffin for me. Two Accounts canceled a month ago, this one will follow soon. I never planned to buy any of this vanity crap and the idea of RMT is already bad enough but this obvious money grab just disgusts me. I wonder...so far EVE seemed to be profitable enough without Micro (lets say Macro shall we) RMT. Even profitable enough to invest into Dust and WoD. I guess CCP wants to upgrade its carpark to Porsche GT3s. Stuff already given away so no.
Bane Necran Furtim Vigilans	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:36:00 - [250] You never see poor people with monocles. I'm not vain, so i couldn't care less. I'll probably stay in the plain clothes for quite awhile.

Benilopax Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:37:00 - [251] Two CCP guys being torn to pieces in Help channel on TQ. They are trying to justify the prices with RP answers. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.
Alexa Celsus	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:37:00 - [252] Unbelievable!!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:38:00 - [253] [00:37:14] CCP Chiliad > Chewiest, as Zinfandel pointed out, expensive things are for people with a thicker wallet. I'm not complaining that I can't afford a Titan. Like. Ever. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:38:00 - [254] Hey CCP, now that we've got clothes that people have to pay for, can you please make all free clothes and hairstyles available on all races? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Tus Gallente Kryton Solutions Cognitive Development	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:38:00 - [255] Originally by: Jada Maroo Edited by: Jada Maroo on 22/06/2011 00:23:00 Massively/Joystiq news tip link Contact Massively with a news tip. Get the word out, make CCP the mockery it deserves to be. /signed And contacted. Wonder how long it will take before articles start to pop up about this.
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:39:00 - [256] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Hey CCP, now that we've got clothes that people have to pay for, can you please make all free clothes and hairstyles available on all races? For a price, sure. Let's say... 6 PLEX?
Starr Tookus Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:39:00 - [257] The best is the 1000 or so aurum difference between shades of womens shirts. I was seriously going to buy an item or two. Not now, no freakin way.
Cacophonus	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:40:00 - [258] Quote: CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. But you can also buy them on the... Reposting this quote because it NEEDS TO BE HEARD. If someone walked up to me and told me the above in real life to justify the cost of some trivial thing, I'd punch you in the face without blinking. Time to leash your gm's. I've canceled my sub- it'll be done in slightly over 3 months. Fix your **** or say goodbye.
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:40:00 - [259] Chiliad is in /help right now, its comedy gold sample: [00:37:13] CCP Chiliad > Chewiest, as Zinfandel pointed out, expensive things are for people with a thicker wallet. I'm not complaining that I can't afford a Titan. Like. Ever.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:41:00 - [260] Someone at CCP needs to be fired. Probably multiple individuals.

Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:41:00 - [261] Well, I'm definitely not going to buy any "vanity" items. I can't even get 400 mil ISK which is about what a plex costs. It's absolutely insane to suggest that one can either buy plex off another player in game with ISK or pay IRL cash. So, 15 dollars for one little article of clothing? Where's the rationale here? Why not just allow us to use ISK to purchase novelty stuff instead of creating a whole separate currency that has a really ****ty exchange rate?
Ascendancy	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:41:00 - [262] bwaaaa hahahahahaha i cant WAIT for SWTOR
PyroX90	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:41:00 - [263] I think they forgot to subtract a zero when they made the NEX prices. Either that or this is a serious troll. No way they would expect people to pay $40 for an internet space monocle; even if it is serious business. Hurp Derp
Mal Dallocort N.A.S.A.	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:41:00 - [264] I dunno wtf they smoke in Iceland...but I gotta get me some, they are high as a kite.
Starr Tookus Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:42:00 - [265] Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama Chiliad is in /help right now, its comedy gold sample: [00:37:13] CCP Chiliad > Chewiest, as Zinfandel pointed out, expensive things are for people with a thicker wallet. I'm not complaining that I can't afford a Titan. Like. Ever. These are stupid little vanity items the rest of the people cannot even see yet!
Minsc Gallente Alpha Empire	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:43:00 - [266] Ok I take back what I said earlier. CCP deserves a double facepalm for this. I seriously can't believe it is possible for you to be quite this ****ing dense.
I Love Boobies Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:43:00 - [267] What's sad about this whole debacle is how CCP is taking it so lightheartedly from their posts they are putting in the help channel chat.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:43:00 - [268] On the Plus Side, I doubt that the micro-transaction PLEX sink will consume a lot of PLEX, so PLEX prices shouldn't increase significantly. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:45:00 - [269] Originally by: Cacophonus Quote: CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. But you can also buy them on the... Reposting this quote because it NEEDS TO BE HEARD. If someone walked up to me and told me the above in real life to justify the cost of some trivial thing, I'd punch you in the face without blinking. Time to leash your gm's. I've canceled my sub- it'll be done in slightly over 3 months. Fix your ** or say goodbye. CCP really needs to dump that marketing-drivel-spewing ****. He's definately one of the main driving forces behind this whole Incarna failcascade.
Starr Tookus Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:46:00 - [270] So what are those vanity scorpions going to cost? $1200 USD?

Garrick Konquero ImmCo	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:46:00 - [271] Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama Chiliad is in /help right now, its comedy gold sample: [00:37:13] CCP Chiliad > Chewiest, as Zinfandel pointed out, expensive things are for people with a thicker wallet. I'm not complaining that I can't afford a Titan. Like. Ever. He'd be able to afford a titan if he hadn't blown his savings on a pair of undies!
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:46:00 - [272] Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama Chiliad is in /help right now, its comedy gold sample: [00:37:13] CCP Chiliad > Chewiest, as Zinfandel pointed out, expensive things are for people with a thicker wallet. I'm not complaining that I can't afford a Titan. Like. Ever. That sort of **ed me off. CCP introduces a new feature in the game that only people who can afford to throw away IRL money to actually use? It's **ed. One should be able to purchase all things in game with ONE currency -- ISK. Whoever thought up the AUR idea needs to be taken out back and smashed over the head with several bongs until they realize the erro of their ways. AUR prices will probably stabilize in long run, but I'm certainly not going to buy a PLEX just so I can get a shirt. Quote: [00:44:42] CCP Zinfandel > Some people treat EVE Online not as a video game but as a hobby. They enjoy investing in their hobby and find that it makes them feel more connected with their hobby. We want to support that for those players who want it. CCP's official position: ** the poors!
Bane Necran Furtim Vigilans	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:46:00 - [273] Originally by: stoicfaux On the Plus Side, I doubt that the micro-transaction PLEX sink will consume a lot of PLEX, so PLEX prices shouldn't increase significantly. I dunno, apparently a lot of people really wanted these vanity items, yet have a mortal fear of PLEX/AUR. Sounds like they'll be selling like hotcakes as soon as they're sold for ISK.
Nak hak	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:46:00 - [274] A two currency system. In the end only one will remain. Pick one. No the other one.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:47:00 - [275] I didn't get EVE rich by spending ISK on over-priced ****... This better fall in price the coming months else it's pretty dead in the water.
Lunatrip	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:47:00 - [276] Gotta agree with this one. I was expecting TF2 hat prices, not "I could buy three months of playtime" prices...
Creepy Goat Collateral.	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:47:00 - [277] Here is a quote I agree with: [00:44:42] CCP Zinfandel > Some people treat EVE Online not as a video game but as a hobby. They enjoy investing in their hobby and find that it makes them feel more connected with their hobby. We want to support that for those players who want it. However THIS DOES NOT JUSTIFY AURUM PRICES. I don't care for avatar stuff but do love colelcting and flying rare/expensive ships. I can see AURUM ships costing tens of billions for what is effectively a reskin. That makes me sad. ----
Redblade Reikoku Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:48:00 - [278] So much crying for something that is purely cosmetic, the fix to the issue is easy, just don't buy it and your problem is gone.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:48:00 - [279] Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama Chiliad is in /help right now, its comedy gold sample: [00:37:13] CCP Chiliad > Chewiest, as Zinfandel pointed out, expensive things are for people with a thicker wallet. I'm not complaining that I can't afford a Titan. Like. Ever. Lol thats gotta be a fake?
Equinox 6	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:48:00 - [280] Originally by: Khefira Originally by: Equinox 6 What is wrong with you people, why are you compareing the aur with real money??? you grind a few missions and rather than buy another faction invul field you buy some pants for your avie.. thats hard? 3 plex isnt $40 its 1.2bill isk. stop crying and stfu! Its the stations that suck, why why why, it achieves nothing, sludgy controls, crap camera... cmon why ccp Wow, you dont even know how PLEX are created in the first place, right? so you spend 1000s of $ to buy a titan? no :) you neednt here either just use isk... there is an over supply of plex, this is a nice sink

Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:48:00 - [281] Wait, it gets better: [00:44:41] CCP Zinfandel > Some people treat EVE Online not as a video game but as a hobby. They enjoy investing in their hobby and find that it makes them feel more connected with their hobby. We want to support that for those players who want it.
George Gallante	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:48:00 - [282] those items are for rich people. not peasants like 90% of the players i already bought a full set of new clothes and that ocular thingy, because i can you DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT !
Zyck Imminent Ruin Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:49:00 - [283] I don't give two **s about the clothes, its the principle of CCP clearly trying to ** us over.
Seleene	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:50:00 - [284] Originally by: Ripard Teg Originally by: Randomize All If the Ocular implant gives you x-ray vision, then it's possibly worth it. You, sir, have won EVE. LOL! Awesome. ---- Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff.
I Love Boobies Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:50:00 - [285] Originally by: George Gallante those items are for rich people. not peasants like 90% of the players i already bought a full set of new clothes and that ocular thingy, because i can you DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT ! Now don't you look silly for paying so much for internet clothes, whether you did it with ISK via in game plex exchange or buying the plex directly. Even if I was the richest man in the world, I wouldn't pay these obscene prices for internet clothes.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:51:00 - [286] Originally by: I Love Boobies Originally by: George Gallante those items are for rich people. not peasants like 90% of the players i already bought a full set of new clothes and that ocular thingy, because i can you DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT ! Now don't you look silly for paying so much for internet clothes, whether you did it with ISK via in game plex exchange or buying the plex directly. Even if I was the richest man in the world, I wouldn't pay these obscene prices for internet clothes. Until his portrait is updated I will call troll on this.
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:51:00 - [287] Originally by: Wacktopia Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama Chiliad is in /help right now, its comedy gold sample: [00:37:13] CCP Chiliad > Chewiest, as Zinfandel pointed out, expensive things are for people with a thicker wallet. I'm not complaining that I can't afford a Titan. Like. Ever. Lol thats gotta be a fake? It's not fake. He said it to me 7 minutes ago.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:52:00 - [288] Originally by: Jada Maroo Massively/Joystiq news tip link Alright alright, we got it. Stop spamming us please EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
cragz	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:52:00 - [289] Originally by: Mal Dallocort I dunno wtf they smoke in Iceland...but I gotta get me some, they are high as a kite. Dude, they stole 5b of british citizens moneh and now they have found another ingenious way of stinging us. I supported MT but not at the price scales they have implemented, in fact I would go as far as saying I would happily shell out $42 or more for a full Skill Respec but not for a fckin vagina item or w/e u call them.
Tuggboat Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:52:00 - [290] THe cybernetic glass eye is actually a +6 perception implant with a boost to targeting resolution. Sig removed because of broken link. Zymurgist

Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:52:00 - [291] Originally by: Chewiest Bong Originally by: Wacktopia Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama Chiliad is in /help right now, its comedy gold sample: [00:37:13] CCP Chiliad > Chewiest, as Zinfandel pointed out, expensive things are for people with a thicker wallet. I'm not complaining that I can't afford a Titan. Like. Ever. Lol thats gotta be a fake? It's not fake. He said it to me 7 minutes ago. It's true. CCP is in the help channel trying to justify the pricing. I feel kind of sorry for the CCP peeps who got that job.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:53:00 - [292] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Jada Maroo Massively/Joystiq news tip link Alright alright, we got it. Stop spamming us please Yeah sure... that'll be 20,000 AUR please. Thank you.
Bane Necran Furtim Vigilans	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:53:00 - [293] How many people raging in this thread have a double digit IQ? Answer honestly, now.
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:53:00 - [294] CCP, these prices are glasses pants. Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:54:00 - [295] CCP's on a roll with being complete idiots who don't understand their own game. If you still work for CCP you should look to get out soonÖ.
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:54:00 - [296] CCP's official position: ** you poor ***es, we're going after the fools who will be soon parted with their money.
Token Afrodude	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:54:00 - [297] Edited by: Token Afrodude on 22/06/2011 00:55:45 Originally by: cragz Originally by: Mal Dallocort I dunno wtf they smoke in Iceland...but I gotta get me some, they are high as a kite. Dude, they stole 5b of british citizens moneh and now they have found another ingenious way of stinging us. I supported MT but not at the price scales they have implemented, in fact I would go as far as saying I would happily shell out $42 or more for a full Skill Respec but not for a fckin vagina item or w/e u call them. there ya go CCP. you want to charge stupid prices for MT? give us something we can friggin USE. id pay for a FULL respec. edit Originally by: Kerrisone CCP's on a roll with being complete idiots who don't understand their own game. If you still work for CCP you should look to get out Now. Fixed that for ya
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:55:00 - [298] I'm going to log in just for that... I am going to have logs turned on too. Then I will mail the logs to that Massively tip line...
ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:55:00 - [299] I'm not the kind of guy to play dress-up, but I was hoping to use Incarna to get my GF into playing EVE. I think that, however, as soon as she sees how ridiculous the prices are for the pair of boots she wants, she's going to ragequit. :: sigh :: Discoverer of the Original Missile Damage Formula
Harkster	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:55:00 - [300] The prices are to insane. if anything the eye thing sould be 1 plex. A full set of cloths 1 plex as well maybe 2. No way in hell I would pay that much money for it. (Dont fool urself a plex/isk is money)

Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:55:00 - [301] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Jada Maroo Massively/Joystiq news tip link Alright alright, we got it. Stop spamming us please Sorry. Didn't know ya'll were getting spammed.
strive nails The Tuskers	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:56:00 - [302] this expansion.. seriously. and people thought quantum rise was weak.
Adacia Calla Minmatar Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:56:00 - [303] I've played for 7 years, and all I have to say is go **** yourself CCP. I've fought for your decisions to keep friends playing, but you've gone off the deep end this time.
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:56:00 - [304] Originally by: Bane Necran How many people raging in this thread have a double digit IQ? Answer honestly, now. I have a graduate degree in biochemistry. It doesn't negate the fact that there is no clear rationale for having two separate currencies to buy vanity items -- especially when you can only get AUR thru plex. That's either 400 mil ISK or 15 USD for an item in game that can be seen only by you. Ridiculous, no?
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:57:00 - [305] Screw vanity items, I could care less. Telling people I play EVE however, once this thing is gonna make every news outlet ridicule this game...
Isidore Tailleur Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:57:00 - [306] Seems CCP have finally figured out there is easy profits to scamming in EVE and joined the Jita scam crowd. Go CCP Scam!
Toki Shuu	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:57:00 - [307] I would drop $80 for aurum if they used that as currency at the new gambling tables when you can walk around in stations... i see what u did thur
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:58:00 - [308] So ... people complain that those vanity items are extremely expensive. And guess what comes next? CCP's biz devs will decide that it is too much RL money for a vanity item ... and they will add game changing functions to them: better attributes for faster learning, more damage for your weapons etc. Mark my words!
Arya Greywolf	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:58:00 - [309] Pretty f'n hilarious prices. Not like I was going to buy them anyway.
Morrigun Rakari Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:00:00 - [310] You know, I think CCP have failed to grasp precisely what the word "Micro" in "Microtransactions" actually means. I'm willing to believe that these pricings are a genuine mistake though, so I'll give CCP a couple of weeks to put things right before I declare them "Greedy beyond words"... In the unlikely eventuality of anyone from CCP reading this, my take on it is that the items are between 7 and 10 times what they should be priced. No one item an avatar wears should cost more than about 2/3 of a PLEX absolute tops, unless it's some sort of limited edition, only-1000-available-ever thing. If and when ship reskins are released, I'd be comfortable paying up to 1 PLEX for one, maybe up to about 1.5 PLEXes if it's a really good skin. No more than that though. Time to wait and see how CCP react now, I guess.

Joshua Hailey Gallente Colonial Battle Fleet	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:00:00 - [311] Edited by: Joshua Hailey on 22/06/2011 01:00:33 I never come to the forums because of all the complaining and have been really excited for some of the new changes. that being said, i have to say the new aurum prices are just ridiculous, and the stance ccp is taking about them just makes really upset i even bothered to be excited about this game. its not the fact i wanted to buy some clothing (if prices were better i prob would have), but it is the sheer obviousness of their wanting to rip off there loyal players to make a buck. this is just crazy
Di Mulle	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:00:00 - [312] Edited by: Di Mulle on 22/06/2011 01:02:02 Edited by: Di Mulle on 22/06/2011 01:00:43 Oh, and I just remembered all those fanboys sperging all around on a thought about custom paintjobs on their ships... Corp logo? hehe I also remember lots of young enthusiasts dreaming about corp uniforms... say hello to your RP parades
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:00:00 - [313] I never planned to buy any of the ****, so it affects me little, but oh my that's quite halarious. vOv
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:00:00 - [314] I remember in guild wars people would farm for literally weeks to get the fissure and underworld armor. If I farmed for weeks in EvE, I could buy vanity gear also. Yeah, bloody brilliant CCP. Haters gonna hate. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:00:00 - [315] I like how the ocular implant flavor text says: "A common implant found throughout New Eden" I bolded the funny parts. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Starr Tookus Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:00:00 - [316] Originally by: Toki Shuu I would drop $80 for aurum if they used that as currency at the new gambling tables when you can walk around in stations... i see what u did thur But the minimum bet at the tables will be $100 in aurum.
Cunane Jeran Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:01:00 - [317] I thought it was meant to be microtransactions not macrotransactions What a **ing joke of a money grab, at least make it affordable and not $80 **ing dollars. $5 is acceptable. For something REALLY special.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:01:00 - [318] Originally by: Morgan Polaris Screw vanity items, I could care less. Telling people I play EVE however, once this thing is gonna make every news outlet ridicule this game... Yeah I told several people I talk to regularly on MSN. They laughed at it, some said they'd never try Eve now, others were glad they never did. I really hope this blows up in CCP's faces because it deserves to. They're smarter than this. They should have known better, and I have higher expectations from them.
Technovar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:02:00 - [319] Originally by: Cacophonus Quote: CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. But you can also buy them on the... Reposting this quote because it NEEDS TO BE HEARD. If someone walked up to me and told me the above in real life to justify the cost of some trivial thing, I'd punch you in the face without blinking. Time to leash your gm's. I've canceled my sub- it'll be done in slightly over 3 months. Fix your **** or say goodbye. Zinfandel's not a GM. He's a marketing guy, and one of the ones behind this whole debacle.
Hildegaard Russell	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:02:00 - [320] Originally by: Morrigun Rakari You know, I think CCP have failed to grasp precisely what the word "Micro" in "Microtransactions" actually means. Hugely expensive items is not how to make money from cash shops, CCP. People don't buy one $15 - they buy 20 75c items.

Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:03:00 - [321] Originally by: Arya Greywolf Pretty f'n hilarious prices. Not like I was going to buy them anyway. You're better off not buying them. You're essentially supporting the poor decision making process of the developers / making them richer for their sheer stupidity. Anyone who uses AUR to purchase items in game is simply rewarding bad decision making. That said, once my plex runs out in two weeks, I don't see myself re-subscribing. Absolutely ridiculous to have two separate currencies; it's plainly obvious that they're trying to fleece people out of much money as possible. Hmm. I could take my fiance out to a nice dinner at a 4 star restaraunt.. or I could buy a pair of underwear in game that only I can see. The end is mine to write. Goodbye Eve.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:03:00 - [322] You knowà I just got very worried about Dust's MT model. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:04:00 - [323] Originally by: Hildegaard Russell Originally by: Morrigun Rakari You know, I think CCP have failed to grasp precisely what the word "Micro" in "Microtransactions" actually means. Hugely expensive items is not how to make money from cash shops, CCP. People don't buy one $15 - they buy 20 75c items. It's just insane how CCP doesn't understand something this simple.
traktorgroove	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:04:00 - [324] Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Jada Maroo Massively/Joystiq news tip link Alright alright, we got it. Stop spamming us please Sorry. Didn't know ya'll were getting spammed. spam massively ;)
Yoa Loother	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:04:00 - [325] ROFL LAMAO etc. I could buy an actual shirt for the price of a virtual one! Great job on making sure nobody wastes precious Plex on that crap. Thnx CCP! _ .. darn
General Xenophon Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:05:00 - [326] I am completely and utterly appalled that a pay to play game has added this stupid feature that so REEKS of 'free to play with - item shop' bull****! Shame on you CCP! You've sold out your players for this gimmick to make more money! This is a stupid stupid idea and you're business strategist should be fired immediately and replaced with someone who actually DOES have something larger than a peanut floating between their ears! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:06:00 - [327] Originally by: Technovar Zinfandel's not a GM. He's a marketing guy, and one of the ones behind this whole debacle. He needs to be fired, immediately. He's a dumb ****.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:06:00 - [328] Edited by: Khamelean on 22/06/2011 01:07:15 On the up side, we can still truthfully say that eve does not have micro-transactions. Nothing micro about spending more money on internet clothes than I do for my clothes IRL. Though they do probably look better on my avatar than they do on me.
Rellik B00n Lethal Death Squad	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:06:00 - [329] im on a horse tbh. a horse that cost more than a REAL HORSE! . -IRON MIKE IS hi sec lolwarrior-
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:06:00 - [330] Originally by: Bane Necran How many people raging in this thread have a double digit IQ? Answer honestly, now. Onli I hev dabl iQQ atzis tread. beecoz all you'rehev one IIQ dijit, Aslo Ibutter tipes then your, uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ

Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:06:00 - [331] Look at it this way: it's all about immersion. Notice how the government in real life also screws you like that and everything costs twice as much as it used to do? Bingo! Remember eve is real and that's sort of expensive. -- Originally by: CCP Elais It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
QT McWhiskers EdgeGamers Situation Normal.	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:06:00 - [332] CCP... Did you change out your finance team? Hire a new director of marketing? Hire new guys who do not remember that games are not for the developers? They are for the gamers. On the test server, the price of clothing was 1 aurum. Most of us understood this was probably a test server price. Most of us knew that the price would increase, however none of us suspected items that would cost MORE than a plex. CCP you guys have seriously let me down. First you want to monetize our third party apps because you feel you are owed a share of the money, now you offer us vanity items that cost 15-80US. I am scared to think of how much the scorp skin will be. 200k aurum? Lets look at a few things. For 2 billion isk, I can buy and faction fit a nightmare, or I can clothe my characters. For 1.2billion isk, I can get a carrier + some of the fittings (not all)... or I can get a ****ing monicle. You realize that no one is happy with you right now CPP? Do you know that many people in fact are starting to see similarities between you and apple or EA right now?
Henrica Gaufridus	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:06:00 - [333] How is it that, out of all the items available to me, the boots are the cheapest? Also, CCP, ONE pair of shoes available for women on NEX? Do you have no women amongst your staff? How do you expect me to survive with ONE pair of high-heeled shoes? I demand MORE SHOES. I need shoes to not only go with the excursion pants I'd like to own, but another pair to go with the skirt that I'm going to have to sell three of my battleships in order to be able to afford! Then I'll need at LEAST a dozen or so more variations as "just in case I find a cute dress that would go great with that pair" shoes. Get with the program, CCP. Your female players DEMAND MORE SHOES.
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:07:00 - [334] Yeah a shirt costs a month of game time, 400mil ISK, or 1/3 of a fully fit carrier...lol
Seleene	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:07:00 - [335] [ 2011.06.21 23:54:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > That is also the standard technique in the industry. In our case, it was exceptionally necessary due to the huge size of PLEX. [ 2011.06.21 23:55:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > Incub: 12000 Aurum. The comma is an Americanism. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > The store only has a few items in it so far. But more will be added. We hope to add a few pieces each week. We started with items which can be purchased and used without needing a special interface. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > Painting a ship requires a little more work before we will be able to offer it. But it is planned. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:26 ] Sofia Roseburn > Zinfandel, these prices are actually correct? [ 2011.06.21 23:58:35 ] CCP Zinfandel > Sofia Roseburn - there will be a number of items at different prices over time. Also, these items will be offered on special from time to time. Some of the items are expensive. [ 2011.06.22 00:00:44 ] CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:45 ] CCP Zinfandel > The selection of items in the store will change from time to time as the capsuleers purchase things and new items arrive (hopefully a few each week.) [ 2011.06.22 00:05:22 ] CCP Zinfandel > Prices will vary between items and occasionally things will go on sale. Don't forget that the market also has a number of items for sale already and those prices should stabilize over time as well. [ 2011.06.22 00:16:42 ] CCP Zinfandel > Chewiest - decorating will come eventually, hopefully later this year. [ 2011.06.22 00:19:32 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are slowly receiving more items to sell in the store and we are saving things to introduce new items each week. [ 2011.06.22 00:23:09 ] CCP Zinfandel > Elina Tan - we are introducing new clothing fashions in sets with themes. This set is themed "Military" and will continue for months. We also have fashion designers creating a line for "Corporate" and one for "Cyberpunk." [ 2011.06.22 00:23:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Those will come later. [ 2011.06.22 00:23:30 ] CCP Zinfandel > And they are being designed by RL fashion designers. [ 2011.06.22 00:24:47 ] CCP Zinfandel > One of the fashion designers is New York based. Another is Reykjavik based. [ 2011.06.22 00:27:07 ] CCP Zinfandel > JordanTwoDelta - you will see the ISK market prices stablize over time. Initially, hype will make people spend more than they should. I counsel a little patience. ;-) [ 2011.06.22 00:29:26 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are adding a little more each week (probably on Tuesdays.) ---- Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff.
Adacia Calla Minmatar Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:07:00 - [336] Originally by: Hildegaard Russell Originally by: Morrigun Rakari You know, I think CCP have failed to grasp precisely what the word "Micro" in "Microtransactions" actually means. Hugely expensive items is not how to make money from cash shops, CCP. People don't buy one $15 - they buy 20 75c items. Exactly, if they were 1$ each I'd buy a dozen, but 30-80$ for a single item is **ing ****ed.
Arya Greywolf	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:10:00 - [337] Originally by: Chewiest Bong Originally by: Arya Greywolf Pretty f'n hilarious prices. Not like I was going to buy them anyway. You're better off not buying them. You're essentially supporting the poor decision making process of the developers / making them richer for their sheer stupidity. Anyone who uses AUR to purchase items in game is simply rewarding bad decision making. That said, once my plex runs out in two weeks, I don't see myself re-subscribing. Absolutely ridiculous to have two separate currencies; it's plainly obvious that they're trying to fleece people out of much money as possible. Hmm. I could take my fiance out to a nice dinner at a 4 star restaraunt.. or I could buy a pair of underwear in game that only I can see. The end is mine to write. Goodbye Eve. Indeed. I was never planning on buying clothing for my barbi doll - didn't even look @ the store. I was doing a mission a bit earlier and someone posted in local that a monocle = roughly 1.6 billion and I almost spit up my dinner from laughing so hard.
Bane Necran Furtim Vigilans	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:11:00 - [338] Originally by: Chewiest Bong Originally by: Bane Necran How many people raging in this thread have a double digit IQ? Answer honestly, now. I have a graduate degree in biochemistry. It doesn't negate the fact that there is no clear rationale for having two separate currencies to buy vanity items -- especially when you can only get AUR thru plex. That's either 400 mil ISK or 15 USD for an item in game that can be seen only by you. Ridiculous, no? No, it's not ridiculous. I spent about 2 billion on ships i never intend to fly anywhere, just to have them. Am i pretending CCP asked me for real world currency to do that? Am i losing my mind that no one knows i have them? No, i'm not. That would be ridiculous.
Grimnir	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:11:00 - [339] Originally by: General Xenophon I am completely and utterly appalled that a pay to play game has added this stupid feature that so REEKS of 'free to play with - item shop' bull***! Shame on you CCP! You've sold out your players for this gimmick to make more money! This is a stupid stupid idea and you're business strategist should be fired immediately and replaced with someone who actually DOES have something larger than a peanut floating between their ears! Would you mind pointing me to the bit where it says that you need these features to play* the game ?
Cosmoes Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:11:00 - [340] ahem real life monocle prices Ranges between $25 to $39 for a real life monocle... ------------------- piccy

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:11:00 - [341] Originally by: Adacia Calla Originally by: Hildegaard Russell Originally by: Morrigun Rakari You know, I think CCP have failed to grasp precisely what the word "Micro" in "Microtransactions" actually means. Hugely expensive items is not how to make money from cash shops, CCP. People don't buy one $15 - they buy 20 75c items. Exactly, if they were 1$ each I'd buy a dozen, but 30-80$ for a single item is **ing ***ed. Also, if they wanted to create an in-game market and fill up order in the "Apparel" category, this won't do it ù to get that market flowing, you need hundreds, if not thousands of buy and sell orders being entered and filled. With these prices, people will buy one. For themselves. And never put it on the market. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki*
GrimmWolf	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:11:00 - [342] So don't buy anything. Go play the game. WoW is that way -----> The complaining on these boards is terrible.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:11:00 - [343] Originally by: Seleene [ 2011.06.21 23:54:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > That is also the standard technique in the industry. In our case, it was exceptionally necessary due to the huge size of PLEX. SNIP [ 2011.06.22 00:29:26 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are adding a little more each week (probably on Tuesdays.) Thanks for posting this... if you could get CCP to put some of this somewhere more permanent where we can ALL see it that would be good. Dev blogs galore are probably required at this point... plus some forum posts... -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:12:00 - [344] Originally by: Creepy Goat Here is a quote I agree with: [00:44:42] CCP Zinfandel > Some people treat EVE Online not as a video game but as a hobby. They enjoy investing in their hobby and find that it makes them feel more connected with their hobby. We want to support that for those players who want it. However THIS DOES NOT JUSTIFY AURUM PRICES. I don't care for avatar stuff but do love colelcting and flying rare/expensive ships. I can see AURUM ships costing tens of billions for what is effectively a reskin. That makes me sad. It is a 'hobby' when CCP wants people to invest in it for their profit margins but it is business when those same hobbyists put their time and effort into creating applications, websites, provide services for Eve players and the community with the goal of not making a profit on their efforts. Accepting the good will of players, donations, or allowing ad traffic mean CCP demands $99 for a 'commerical license' from those hobbyists.
Kurj Valdoria Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:13:00 - [345] This is my fault everyone. Someone at CCP found out I spent like...........1500 dollars on hats and crap for TF2. I suppose they figured idiots like me would spend BIG CASH for stupid eve ingame items. The reality is the hats in TF2 have burning flames and these hats do NOT.
Rellik B00n Lethal Death Squad	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:14:00 - [346] MY AVATAR WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING . -IRON MIKE IS hi sec lolwarrior-
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:14:00 - [347] Originally by: Seleene [ 2011.06.21 23:54:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > That is also the standard technique in the industry. In our case, it was exceptionally necessary due to the huge size of PLEX. [ 2011.06.21 23:55:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > Incub: 12000 Aurum. The comma is an Americanism. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > The store only has a few items in it so far. But more will be added. We hope to add a few pieces each week. We started with items which can be purchased and used without needing a special interface. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > Painting a ship requires a little more work before we will be able to offer it. But it is planned. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:26 ] Sofia Roseburn > Zinfandel, these prices are actually correct? [ 2011.06.21 23:58:35 ] CCP Zinfandel > Sofia Roseburn - there will be a number of items at different prices over time. Also, these items will be offered on special from time to time. Some of the items are expensive. [ 2011.06.22 00:00:44 ] CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:45 ] CCP Zinfandel > The selection of items in the store will change from time to time as the capsuleers purchase things and new items arrive (hopefully a few each week.) [ 2011.06.22 00:05:22 ] CCP Zinfandel > Prices will vary between items and occasionally things will go on sale. Don't forget that the market also has a number of items for sale already and those prices should stabilize over time as well. [ 2011.06.22 00:16:42 ] CCP Zinfandel > Chewiest - decorating will come eventually, hopefully later this year. [ 2011.06.22 00:19:32 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are slowly receiving more items to sell in the store and we are saving things to introduce new items each week. [ 2011.06.22 00:23:09 ] CCP Zinfandel > Elina Tan - we are introducing new clothing fashions in sets with themes. This set is themed "Military" and will continue for months. We also have fashion designers creating a line for "Corporate" and one for "Cyberpunk." [ 2011.06.22 00:23:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Those will come later. [ 2011.06.22 00:23:30 ] CCP Zinfandel > And they are being designed by RL fashion designers. [ 2011.06.22 00:24:47 ] CCP Zinfandel > One of the fashion designers is New York based. Another is Reykjavik based. [ 2011.06.22 00:27:07 ] CCP Zinfandel > JordanTwoDelta - you will see the ISK market prices stablize over time. Initially, hype will make people spend more than they should. I counsel a little patience. ;-) [ 2011.06.22 00:29:26 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are adding a little more each week (probably on Tuesdays.) How is it possible that a marketing lead can be this dumb? Did this guy even graduate high school?
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:14:00 - [348] Man this is just gold, **in bean counters, they ** everything they touch
Shaikar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:14:00 - [349] Originally by: Jade Constantine This is pretty damned ridiculous. Play eve for a month for free or buy a women's "impress" dress skirt? The prices for these "virtual goods" are a joke. Echoing this. I'm speechless. What the hell?
Rykuss Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:14:00 - [350] Originally by: Chewiest Bong Originally by: Arya Greywolf Pretty f'n hilarious prices. Not like I was going to buy them anyway. You're better off not buying them. You're essentially supporting the poor decision making process of the developers / making them richer for their sheer stupidity. Anyone who uses AUR to purchase items in game is simply rewarding bad decision making. That said, once my plex runs out in two weeks, I don't see myself re-subscribing. Absolutely ridiculous to have two separate currencies; it's plainly obvious that they're trying to fleece people out of much money as possible. Hmm. I could take my fiance out to a nice dinner at a 4 star restaraunt.. or I could buy a pair of underwear in game that only I can see. The end is mine to write. Goodbye Eve. Cool down a bit, wait it out and see. If you still decide to leave, can I have your stuff? Can we has a t-shirt that says "I survived teh lulz" for our avatars please? I'd totally effin' buy that!

Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:14:00 - [351] Vanity items = Big ISK. Big deal. For those of you that want to wear another pair of pants, I say go for it if you have the ISK. That's what it's all about isn't it. Really, the new boots only amount to about $10, which is alright. Can't say I'll split a PLEX for it, but I never intended to. I've got better things to spend my ISK on. Ships for example. Captains Quarters are actually amazing. I can't believe such a simple change actual brought me a little bit of immersion. Honestly never expected that, and never realized how droll and boring the old ship hangar was. Current PLEX to AURUM Conversion is fine, and the cost of a pair of pants is fine too. For one, selection isn't exactly on par with Bloomingdales or even Sears, and two, there really is no need to buy them as we already have pants. I'm happy with my Black combats to be honest. Frakin' awesome! Also, if they were cheap, PLEX would go through the roof again, and this is more likely to bring them down to a more reasonable level. It's cool. Did I mention I loved the Captains Quarters? Of course I did. Running at 60 FPS still, with no problems, and if my GPUs a little hot, it's probably because it's a little hot today and I haven't dusted in awhile. Looks awesome, even if the load time is a bit excessive. Memory usage on client start was >2GBs, but dropped to around 1.5GBs when loaded and active. First time I've enjoyed sitting in a station in 2 years.
Eclorc	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:15:00 - [352] I feel bloody sorry for the real devs that actually DO care about Eve, the game, the life, and the technical beauty of her. If I were in their position, thoughts of revolt and hostile takeover, viking-style, to topple the suits and greedmongers would be in my mind right about now. Not sure, sadly, how to interpret this statement from help channel.. [ 2011.06.22 00:51:07 ] CCP Chiliad > I would never bother to complain about I game I didn't care for ;) There's limits to taking things for granted.
Arya Greywolf	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:15:00 - [353] Originally by: Cosmoes ahem real life monocle prices Ranges between $25 to $39 for a real life monocle... Ooooohhhh, I think I like the classic silver monocle - very elegant. Even comes with a soft case!
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:15:00 - [354] Originally by: GrimmWolf So don't buy anything. Go play the game. WoW is that way -----> The complaining on these boards is terrible. Not the point.
Linda Shadowborn Gallente Dark Steel Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:15:00 - [355] I even planned to spend plexes on this.. but now.. no way.. sorry ccp..
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:15:00 - [356] Plan B. 1. Drive to Toys R Us (the one that's 20 minutes away) in my SUV. 2. Buy a barbie doll, err... buy an action figure and some ~~doll~~ action figure clothing and maybe some paint. 3. Dress and/or paint my ~~doll~~ action figure. 4. Hold my ~~action f~~ err... doll, no err... action figure in front of my monitor and pretend to walk around in my CQ. P.S. It's wise to close the door so your spouse doesn't see what you're doing when you're docked. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Major Stallion The Dark Horses.	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:16:00 - [357] Originally by: Outlaw Jenner Yup was planning on having some fun with the plexes I've had stockpiled but I'll just continue to play for free for the next 5 years instead of feeding the cash cow you know even if you dont sell your plexes, CCP has already made money on the sale of them right?
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:17:00 - [358] Originally by: stoicfaux Plan B. 1. Drive to Toys R Us (the one that's 20 minutes away) in my SUV. 2. Buy a barbie doll, err... buy an action figure and some ~~doll~~ action figure clothing and maybe some paint. 3. Dress and/or paint my ~~doll~~ action figure. 4. Hold my ~~action f~~ err... doll, no err... action figure in front of my monitor and pretend to walk around in my CQ. P.S. It's wise to close the door so your spouse doesn't see what you're doing when you're docked. Hell get some boxes and ducktape and you'd probably do a better job than this little sideshow.
Infinint Interwebs Cooter Explosion Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:18:00 - [359] I used to make fun of some of my friends for playing a certain valve game that features an overly priced cash shop. Now this is just embarrassing.
Mordrake Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:18:00 - [360] Cmon Guys and Gals ya got to admit that was a jaw dropper to see and after the shock wore off I laughed my freakin arse off ; ] OMG I think I even ****ed myself a lil bit.. "Arte et Marte"

Ramael Hashur	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:19:00 - [361] Originally by: Ramael Hashur Where are you getting these numbers? Is that Euro? 1 Monocle = 12000 Aurum 1 Plex = 3500 Aurum Therefore, 1 Monocle = 3.43 Plex Also, 1 Plex = $15.00 Therefore, 1 Monocle = $51.45 Though technically you do have to buy four Plexes to pay for it, so if you -only- buy the monocle it's still going to cost you $60.00
Khysanth Onyx	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:20:00 - [362] Edited by: Khysanth Onyx on 22/06/2011 01:20:58 As far as hobbies go, you could buy a nice bit of ******* with that. That's a drug addiction hobby. CCP clearly thinks they are in the addiction business and their product is as addictive as coke and they're willing to exploit people like the rl drug industry by charging addiction rates. Moral of the story = CCP has the same amount of morals as a Colombian drug lord. hide yo kids hide yo wife
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:21:00 - [363] ROFL CCP! I get that you don't want to make an economic mistake by starting too low. but.... just ****in funny! lol
Josh Bolder	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:21:00 - [364] It is the fact that they are treating it like it is real, I am an imaginary character you can stick a rusty nail in my eye. This is the most obvious money grab ever, they may drop their prices in a month but only after their hard core 'hobbiest' have wasted their money. Shame on you and like many others I am seriously considering cancelling my subscription. much better RL stuff to spend on. Hell for the price of 4 items i could travel over to Iceland and bop them on the nose.
Olleybear Minmatar I R' Carebear	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:21:00 - [365] Edited by: Olleybear on 22/06/2011 01:22:12 Seeing how I am at work and not able to log in yet, I had to read through the first 3 pages of this post and see some familiar names in the forums before I started believing the prices on these virtual goods. Then I busted out laughing. I'm still laughing. BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! My own RL clothing is cheaper. Truyly hilarious. Thanks for making my day at work CCP. Love you guys. Kisses. CCP Troll Best Troll ( still laughing, getting wierd looks from co-workers )
Aisha Ravenwood	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:21:00 - [366] Ccp have demonstrated they don't understand micro transactions. It should be lots of small items i.e < 100 aur not 1 item > 10000 aur Look at any other game that uses MT you can see how they do it
Anna Maziarczyk	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:22:00 - [367] Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 22/06/2011 01:22:43 Didnt that one Russian mmorpg Allods or somethign like that, do the same thing? They were selling backpacks for like 50 bucks, swords for $1500.... The game died right after their cash shop fiasco......
Morrigun Rakari Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:24:00 - [368] Originally by: CCP Zinfandel [ 2011.06.22 00:04:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. Sure, Capsuleers might be rich, but Players aren't. Can someone tell this guy that microtransactions only really work as impulse buys, in much the same way big supermarkets put chocolate next to the checkouts, please? People think "Hell, it's only 60p/Ç1/etc, I'll treat myself!". They'd sell precisely none if they priced them at ú35/Ç40.
Janus Talmash Talmash Imports and Exports Group	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:24:00 - [369] Whoever is responsible for the pricing is a ****!ng ret@rd and should be fired immediately, any management type that agreed to this idiocy should be fired as well. ________ Amat victoria curam.
Zomcheck	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:24:00 - [370] ^^^Jelly http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5773/madjelly.png

Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:24:00 - [371] Originally by: Eclorc I feel bloody sorry for the real devs that actually DO care about Eve, the game, the life, and the technical beauty of her. A lot of those guys have left CCP a few years back. I really do feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for the game designer who did such an awesome job of FactionWar only to have it left critically bugged for YEARS.
Joshua Hailey Gallente Colonial Battle Fleet	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:25:00 - [372] this is the first time i think i could ever say this but atleast star trek online c store knows how to price stuff, and eve cant figure it out?
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:25:00 - [373] Wow They are trying to get rich fast Without me ccp...without me.
Rykuss Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:25:00 - [374] Originally by: stoicfaux Plan B. 1. Drive to Toys R Us (the one that's 20 minutes away) in my SUV. 2. Buy a barbie doll, err... buy an action figure and some ~~doll~~ action figure clothing and maybe some paint. 3. Dress and/or paint my ~~doll~~ action figure. 4. Hold my ~~action f~~ err... doll, no err... action figure in front of my monitor and pretend to walk around in my CQ. P.S. It's wise to close the door so your spouse doesn't see what you're doing when you're docked. Hope you haven't done anything to **** off said spouse recently. Camera phones are everywhere and there's youtube to consider. Can we has a t-shirt that says "I survived teh lulz" for our avatars please? I'd totally effin' buy that!
Kurj Valdoria Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:26:00 - [375] since the patch borked my eve and I have no chance of playing right now does the store have ANYTHING for ships? you know the thing most people in eve would actually give a crap about?
Zed Jackelope Original Sin.	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:26:00 - [376] Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 22/06/2011 01:22:43 Didnt that one Russian mmorpg Allods or somethign like that, do the same thing? They were selling backpacks for like 50 bucks, swords for $1500.... The game died right after their cash shop fiasco...... yup, and i was derping it up in beta with goonies... the game really had something going for it, and then /facepalm I'm wondering if the same kuntmunkeez that worked on allods got hired by ccp I am not one of Awesome Possum's alts
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:27:00 - [377] Originally by: Grimnir Would you mind pointing me to the bit where it says that you need these features to play the game ? Um, they introduce new game functionality and basically expect people to use the CQ and / or look at a wallpaper picture of a door as oppossed to the old hangar. They're planning on adding additional vanity items as well as allowing one to walk through the station and interact with other players in the future updates. The criticism and this particular topic is fair game.
Gothikia Regeneration	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:27:00 - [378] Terrible game design. Terrible management at CCP and a massive F U C K U P on the part of the community manager and related parties for not consulting with the CSM on this one. CCP, you now in my book, offically suck. I want my old EVE back :bittervet: Join Regeneration!
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:27:00 - [379] Originally by: Joshua Hailey this is the first time i think i could ever say this but atleast star trek online c store knows how to price stuff, and eve cant figure it out? They don't even understand their in game economy, the real one is simply too much to handle. Apparently a decimal point is a difficult tool to wield. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Apple iPwn Superscript	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:27:00 - [380] brb buying cool outfits to show off... oh wait what's the point in vanity if i cant show it off to OTHER people? on another note, it's cool to charge 80 bucks for some pixels to make yourself pretty, but at least include some lower-end versions too?

Nikki West	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:28:00 - [381] Originally by: Seleene [ 2011.06.21 23:54:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > That is also the standard technique in the industry. In our case, it was exceptionally necessary due to the huge size of PLEX. [ 2011.06.21 23:55:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > Incub: 12000 Aurum. The comma is an Americanism. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > The store only has a few items in it so far. But more will be added. We hope to add a few pieces each week. We started with items which can be purchased and used without needing a special interface. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > Painting a ship requires a little more work before we will be able to offer it. But it is planned. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:26 ] Sofia Roseburn > Zinfandel, these prices are actually correct? [ 2011.06.21 23:58:35 ] CCP Zinfandel > Sofia Roseburn - there will be a number of items at different prices over time. Also, these items will be offered on special from time to time. Some of the items are expensive. [ 2011.06.22 00:00:44 ] CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:45 ] CCP Zinfandel > The selection of items in the store will change from time to time as the capsuleers purchase things and new items arrive (hopefully a few each week.) [ 2011.06.22 00:05:22 ] CCP Zinfandel > Prices will vary between items and occasionally things will go on sale. Don't forget that the market also has a number of items for sale already and those prices should stabilize over time as well. [ 2011.06.22 00:16:42 ] CCP Zinfandel > Chewiest - decorating will come eventually, hopefully later this year. [ 2011.06.22 00:19:32 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are slowly receiving more items to sell in the store and we are saving things to introduce new items each week. [ 2011.06.22 00:23:09 ] CCP Zinfandel > Elina Tan - we are introducing new clothing fashions in sets with themes. This set is themed "Military" and will continue for months. We also have fashion designers creating a line for "Corporate" and one for "Cyberpunk." [ 2011.06.22 00:23:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Those will come later. [ 2011.06.22 00:23:30 ] CCP Zinfandel > And they are being designed by RL fashion designers. [ 2011.06.22 00:24:47 ] CCP Zinfandel > One of the fashion designers is New York based. Another is Reykjavik based. [ 2011.06.22 00:27:07 ] CCP Zinfandel > JordanTwoDelta - you will see the ISK market prices stablize over time. Initially, hype will make people spend more than they should. I counsel a little patience. ;-) [ 2011.06.22 00:29:26 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are adding a little more each week (probably on Tuesdays.) Dear CCP. Please transfer ~~some of~~ your resources to actually further develop EVE Online and fix all the existing issues. I don't play EVE to have a fashion show in my small room, play dress up and decorate my hangar. What happened to that CCP priority list I saw during your fanfest presentation?
Skogen Gump The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:28:00 - [382] Originally by: Kurj Valdoria since the patch borked my eve and I have no chance of playing right now does the store have ANYTHING for ships? you know the thing most people in eve would actually give a crap about? Presently, no. Star Fraction
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:32:00 - [383] Methinks CCP missed the 'micro' part in the word microtransaction
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:33:00 - [384] Originally by: Bklyn 1 Methinks CCP missed the 'micro' part in the word microtransaction They probably confused the suffix, 'micro' with 'macro.
Euphonus	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:33:00 - [385] Originally by: Seleene [ 2011.06.21 23:54:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > That is also the standard technique in the industry. In our case, it was exceptionally necessary due to the huge size of PLEX. [ 2011.06.21 23:55:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > Incub: 12000 Aurum. The comma is an Americanism. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > The store only has a few items in it so far. But more will be added. We hope to add a few pieces each week. We started with items which can be purchased and used without needing a special interface. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > Painting a ship requires a little more work before we will be able to offer it. But it is planned. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:26 ] Sofia Roseburn > Zinfandel, these prices are actually correct? [ 2011.06.21 23:58:35 ] CCP Zinfandel > Sofia Roseburn - there will be a number of items at different prices over time. Also, these items will be offered on special from time to time. Some of the items are expensive. [ 2011.06.22 00:00:44 ] CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:45 ] CCP Zinfandel > The selection of items in the store will change from time to time as the capsuleers purchase things and new items arrive (hopefully a few each week.) [ 2011.06.22 00:05:22 ] CCP Zinfandel > Prices will vary between items and occasionally things will go on sale. Don't forget that the market also has a number of items for sale already and those prices should stabilize over time as well. [ 2011.06.22 00:16:42 ] CCP Zinfandel > Chewiest - decorating will come eventually, hopefully later this year. [ 2011.06.22 00:19:32 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are slowly receiving more items to sell in the store and we are saving things to introduce new items each week. [ 2011.06.22 00:23:09 ] CCP Zinfandel > Elina Tan - we are introducing new clothing fashions in sets with themes. This set is themed "Military" and will continue for months. We also have fashion designers creating a line for "Corporate" and one for "Cyberpunk." [ 2011.06.22 00:23:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Those will come later. [ 2011.06.22 00:23:30 ] CCP Zinfandel > And they are being designed by RL fashion designers. [ 2011.06.22 00:24:47 ] CCP Zinfandel > One of the fashion designers is New York based. Another is Reykjavik based. [ 2011.06.22 00:27:07 ] CCP Zinfandel > JordanTwoDelta - you will see the ISK market prices stablize over time. Initially, hype will make people spend more than they should. I counsel a little patience. ;-) [ 2011.06.22 00:29:26 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are adding a little more each week (probably on Tuesdays.) Holy **, he is a marketing director (and not a GM?)? I never thought you could find such an ignorant, asinine person to hire. He needs to be fired for this bull**- or are you telling me that as a whole entity CCP supports 80$ monocles and share's Zifandel's views?
Tangiers LeGume	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 - [386] "CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. "It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face." So, the fully grown clone body with the necessary implants necessary to jack-in to a pod, and a mid-range suite of up to 10 ability and attribute implants integrated into the central nervous system is less expensive than a vanity implant? Don't use in-game justifications to excuse whacky vanity item prices. Boots the price of a starship? And I get the hobby and not a mere game thing, I really do. But I like to think that those people would get the extra bit of engagement through real-life merchandise (EVE art book, t-shirts, mugs, etc.) or higher tier vanity items (custom paint jobs and logos, extensively modified cabin or shops, sex-change operations, etc.).
SiirLong	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 - [387] Edited by: SiirLong on 22/06/2011 01:35:41 Dear CCP, Several Issues... A. Do you know your target audience that you are marketing to? (Mostly male) Last time I checked most dudes I know don't give a damn about dressing up their COD character, why would they do it in EVE? B. How many times do you plan on releasing a glitchy client... I hate to be harsh, but just hire a few game testers... your headaches would be over...don't we have a test server for this! Test it for a freaking month, then release it! C. Request option for players to decide high end graphic interface (CQ) or standard for low end graphics users (Spinny ship in station thingy). That is all, I hope you listen to your customer's because THEY(WE) pay YOUR salary by spending OUR discretionary funds on this game.
Toros Revoke Revoke Foundation	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 - [388] I'm sorry but how is a pair of trousers competing in price with a capital ship, what the **** are they made of?
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 - [389] Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 22/06/2011 01:36:05 Im not even looking forward to WoD anymore... thats how bad this turn of event feels to me... I dont care about dust coming to the PC either... ** this ** heh... summer sun here i come lol
Josh Bolder	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:35:00 - [390] [ 2011.06.22 00:00:44 ] CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. DUDE IT IS NOT A REAL IMPLANT. IT IS NOT REAL LIFE. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. NOT A REAL COMPANY IT IS YOU. NOT REAL LIFE [ 2011.06.22 00:05:22 ] CCP Zinfandel > Prices will vary between items and occasionally things will go on sale. Don't forget that the market also has a number of items for sale already and those prices should stabilize over time as well. ON SALE... WHY BECAUSE THE SUMMER SEASON IS OVER???

Toanfoal	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:36:00 - [391] Blame WoW for the prices. They've been selling virtual teddy bears and ponies for 10-30 bucks now for months (a year even??). CCP would be insane to not charge an arm and a leg for permanent cosmetic gear, because the market has shown that there are people out there who are willing to pay it.
Aquana Abyss	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:37:00 - [392] I support these prices....in fact make them higher! Best way to kill your daft NeX idea dead is to keep the prices ludicrous. Do it!!! P.S. - LOL @ People crying about the prices - so you actually in fact do want to play dress up? Fail.
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:41:00 - [393] I've already posted my thoughts on the price, but I have to say that the stuff available so far is rather good looking...you can tell it was designed by a pro, not game developer trying to be a fashion designer. So definitely a big kudos to CCP for hiring great designers and not skimping on that part. ~Gnosis~
Borameir Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:41:00 - [394] Originally by: Chewiest Bong Originally by: Bklyn 1 Methinks CCP missed the 'micro' part in the word microtransaction They probably confused the suffix, 'micro' with 'macro. I'd say cosmic, it is a space game after all, everything's bigger! Except your wallet. ______________ In the beginning God created balls, then man played with them. This became known as Sports.
diaufop	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:42:00 - [395] Edited by: diaufop on 22/06/2011 01:43:02 Edited by: diaufop on 22/06/2011 01:42:18 CCP: Please get in touch with Turbine - they launched a version of DDO with a microtransactions (albeit with a hybrid subscription and f2p model) and more than quadrupled their income overnight. They then repeated it with LoTRO. They might be able to advise you how to set sensible prices that people will pay over and over again on multiple accounts. Then again, you may be beyond all reason. It certainly seems that way right now.
Thagomizer	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:42:00 - [396] Edited by: Thagomizer on 22/06/2011 01:44:27 I am hoping that they intend to drop these prices down to a more reasonable level, because currently they are just insane. I remember an old boss used to say that the best way to tell people bad news was tell them something worse, then pull back and mention that reality isn't quite that bad. I can't imagine that is what they are trying to do here, because it just comes off as greedy and leaves a bad taste in my (and apparently many other people's) mouth. Quote: [ 2011.06.21 23:54:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > That is also the standard technique in the industry. In our case, it was exceptionally necessary due to the huge size of PLEX. This stated goal is completely at odds with the current prices - they're basically charging whole PLEX prices for the current items. If these prices stay constant, they could have just offered three pairs of boots for a single PLEX and avoided the complication of splitting the PLEX up in the first place. The fact that they made Aurum so small makes me hope that they are planning to offer items in the 50-100 Aurum range, because because otherwise this whole endeavor seems hopelessly mismanaged. If CCP is planning to offer real microtransaction items, then I think they totally dropped the ball only having a handful of insanely overpriced items to start with. In my opinion, it would have been worth a delay if they could have provided twice as many items with the other half being squarely in the <1000 Aurum range (preferably < 350 Aurum).
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:43:00 - [397] Originally by: Toanfoal Blame WoW for the prices. They've been selling virtual teddy bears and ponies for 10-30 bucks now for months (a year even??). CCP would be insane to not charge an arm and a leg for permanent cosmetic gear, because the market has shown that there are people out there who are willing to pay it. The market has also shown that compared to 2 people buying it for $80, there might be about a thousand buying it for $2. The very definition of micro transactions, really. And even WOW isn't this poorly priced.
Gerdan BloodELF Minmatar D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:43:00 - [398] I have 20 billion isk liquid. Even i wouldn't spend money on this. For Questions or to see my chars Join my Channel Gerdan's bazzar
Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:43:00 - [399] Well there is an upside to the prices ... CCP will save money ... how? CCP stated that more vanity items would be created if they are popular. At the current prices they will be able to let go any designers/programmers involved with these items, so thereby saving money. When did the beancounters take over the asylum? CCP must have missed what happened to Allods Online with their overpriced MT shop, that game will never recover.
Tangiers LeGume	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:43:00 - [400] Originally by: J Kunjeh I've already posted my thoughts on the price, but I have to say that the stuff available so far is rather good looking...you can tell it was designed by a pro, not game developer trying to be a fashion designer. So definitely a big kudos to CCP for hiring great designers and not skimping on that part. I'll give them that.

Maxpie Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:44:00 - [401] Originally by: Toros Revoke I'm sorry but how is a pair of trousers competing in price with a capital ship, what the **** are they made of? I was about to buy this Nyx, then I saw this awesome shirt and I just HAD to have it. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Hayaishi Gallente Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:45:00 - [402] Yay @ Mega Transactions!
Josh Bolder	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:45:00 - [403] I would just like to point out that 1. I am reasonably well off 2. am I hard core player, when i RPG I buy all the books so i got the collection. 3. so I love collecting 4. and I am a terrible impulse buyer But this is not for hobbyists or collectors or rpg gamers. This is purely a rip off and only the truly dumb will buy stuff that no one can see, or really give a hoot about.
Bifordus Maximus	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:47:00 - [404] I wouldn't worry about all this since it is optional. After a month when they realize that zero plex has been spent on aurum, they will change it... But seriously this better be a conveinent "mistake." Although I am curious at how many people will actually buy this stuff.
Starr Tookus Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:47:00 - [405] Originally by: Thagomizer Edited by: Thagomizer on 22/06/2011 01:44:27 I remember an old boss used to say that the best way to tell people bad news was tell them something worse, then pull back and mention that reality isn't quite that bad. In the navy, they gave us a lobster dinner first. WHERE'S MY LOBSTER, CCP!!!!!!
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:47:00 - [406] Originally by: Toanfoal Blame WoW for the prices. They've been selling virtual teddy bears and ponies for 10-30 bucks now for months (a year even??). CCP would be insane to not charge an arm and a leg for permanent cosmetic gear, because the market has shown that there are people out there who are willing to pay it. Okay, but in wow you have a pretty pony made of stars or a glowing lion to show for it. In EVE you get.... what? Shiny pants? This is one of the few areas where other MMO's have EVE's butt kicked. WoW and STO both do micro-transactions a hundred times better than EVE. Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:48:00 - [407] Originally by: Maxpie Originally by: Toros Revoke I'm sorry but how is a pair of trousers competing in price with a capital ship, what the **** are they made of? I was about to buy this Nyx, then I saw this awesome shirt and I just HAD to have it. This quote made me giggle. I want to laugh I really do. When I heard about the changes coming I had a plex handy and thought to myself when the patch hits Ill buy a bunch of shirts and such. Boy did you put one over one me CCP. My one plex will get me like one sock, used.
Blood Fart	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:48:00 - [408] Awesome pricing CCP. Grab all the money these dummies that want to play space barbies have....then use it to figure out a way to give me ship shinning back. thanks
Dian Rasd Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:49:00 - [409] lol what?
Jacoba Stalker	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:49:00 - [410] I have to add to the "Amen" crowd here. Have ya'll been smoking crack??? If this is how you intend to treat your customers, then I can take what little money I spend here now and go somewhere else. That's beyond assinine, that's criminally stupid.

Mr Dilkington	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:50:00 - [411] This whole thing is terrible, the clothing items dont even look good.
Esna Pitoojee Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:51:00 - [412] CCP... I... honestly do not understand your choice to make vanity items indestructible and vastly overpriced. I really don't. I mean, I've had some issues with your decisions in the past, some of which I've voiced my concerns about, but this is probably the first time a major portion of an expansion has been dedicated to something which I cannot remotely conceive was supposed to work. Did you expect the constant introduction of new items to offset the inevitable (but distant) price crash as the indestructible clothes started being omnipresent? Were you hoping to drain some of the massive wealth from nullsec entities by placing the prices so high, effectively meaning they would be the only ones with enough cash to buy large volumes of clothing? I really don't know. ---------------------------------------------- Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
Mirage Excelsior Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:51:00 - [413] Lets all welcome CCP to the 21st Century style of game development. The milking of your older, loyal fanbase, to fund your new projects. Why not? Others have been doing it for years, Eve 2, Eve 3, Eve 2014, Eve 2015, Eve 2015 - SubtitleHere incoming. It seems as though Eve, once made by gamers for love and a wage - for gamers, is slowly turning to by suits - for suckers and profit.
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:51:00 - [414] Edited by: Chidori kun on 22/06/2011 01:54:55 I was willing to buy plex either with ISK or RL money for the shop and get some extra clothing but not at this insane pricing.... Sorry this is really over the top.. lol even if some is stupid enough to buy that monocle and places it on the market it will sell for about 1.2 billion ISK!!! and if they greedy even more.... Chid
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:51:00 - [415] Originally by: Blood Fart Awesome pricing CCP. Grab all the money these dummies that want to play space barbies have....then use it to figure out a way to give me ship shinning back. thanks That's like two morons, while a few thousand of us would be glad to fork $1 for some decent gear. But yeah, ship spinning is priceless.
Lenore Leelu	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:52:00 - [416] Doesn't CCP employ an economist? Is he on holiday?
C2 H5 OH	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:52:00 - [417] Umm yeah... Okay.. unlike many folks I like micro-transactions... Dig them in fact. I've spent RL money on things in DDO.. I thought it was worth the cash.. $5 here, $10 there.. no biggie.. Holy crap, you have not the first freaking clue how to price your items. Also, you don't understand your customer base.. Guess what.. THERE ARE NO STATIONS IN 0.0. The guys who live in 0.0, the ones who have 1.6 billion to blow on a frivolous items like a monocle.. They aren't going to be walking in stations showing off their ultra-expensive items.. The people who will be showing off these things are Empire carebears.. poor people. Do you understand nothing about marketing? Please, hire someone from Turbine who has a sane idea as to how micro-transactions work... The word is BULK, CCP...
Zom Bo	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:53:00 - [418] PLEX=ISK Everyone loves this PLEX=ARUM Everyone hates this Arum = ISK Everyone doesn't get this yet! Your isk doesn't magically disappear, it just turns into another item which can be sold if you want your isk back. Where's the problem?
heheheh Phoenix Club	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:53:00 - [419] Originally by: Gerdan BloodELF I have 20 billion isk liquid. Even i wouldn't spend money on this. I have ten times that much and i would not either.
Portmanteau CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:53:00 - [420] Edited by: Portmanteau on 22/06/2011 01:53:35 I should probably put together some well worded complaint as most others have but this really goes so far beyong that I'm just going to say... CCP you are a bunch of utter thieving scumbag ****ers hahahahahaha

Gothikia Regeneration	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:53:00 - [421] Originally by: Lenore Leelu Doesn't CCP employ an economist? Is he on holiday? Remember, it is an Icelandic economist... Join Regeneration!
Toros Revoke Revoke Foundation	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:53:00 - [422] Edited by: Toros Revoke on 22/06/2011 01:53:58 You really can't help but laugh at this madness; one isk is meant to be more than a single person can earn in several lifetimes, in which case I've got the income of entire worlds in my wallet, Yet I can't afford new shoes...
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:55:00 - [423] And the destruction of what was once one of the most respected and well-positioned MMO developers in the world continues. ______________________________
heheheh Phoenix Club	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:55:00 - [424] Originally by: C2 H5 OH THERE ARE NO STATIONS IN 0.0. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are stations in 0.0
Portmanteau CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:56:00 - [425] well at least for all the MT haters out there, this means absolutely NOBODY will buy ANYTHING
Jalmon	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:56:00 - [426] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Also these are destroyed on pod death right? Allegedly, NOT ANYMORE. You keep them (the ones you are actively wearing) when you get podded (or, should I say, you get issued new ones), but they remain on the old clone body if you clonejump. They can only be destroyed if you carry them in the cargo when the ship blows up. It was a dev response in another recent thread. waiting for someone to undock a Kestrel in Jita with 74 monocoles in cargo.
Consortium Agent	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:56:00 - [427] Oh, so here's where I should also put in my 2 cents on how much 'micro' transactions cost. :P CCP, seriously, have you looked at any other game on the planet that has micro-transactions and said to yourselves 'Ya know, 'micro' means $1 or $2, but really don't you guys think it ought to be more like $60 or $80? Yeah, yeah... that's the ticket!' If it costs you that much to pay people to make clothes for a game, then you clearly hired the wrong people. I mean, really? I can buy a real life wardrobe from wally world here in the US for 1/2 the cost of a single monocle. sigh Between this money grab and the money grab you're pulling with the 3rd party developers, can you blame your player base for accusing you of being nothing more than greedy asshats? Seriously? Nevermind that you rushed YASPTM (yet another sh!tty patch to market), but you felt 12,000 AUR was an appropriate cost (3 plex worth) for a monocle. It's the smallest item in the shop, and it's the most expensive. Hilarity ensued when I went to the shop. I'd have bought one for all my toons across five accounts if the price has been right. It wasn't. I will not be spending any money in the Noble Marketplace until such time as the prices reflect the 'micro' transaction they should. $80 isn't a micro-transaction... it's a transaction. Get it right ;P Silly CCP... thought they could make $80 a monocle. Bahahahaha. You'll get exactly 3 customers. Dumbass #1, Dumbass #2 and Dumbass #3. Enjoy them. Each and every one of them.
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:57:00 - [428] Originally by: Toros Revoke Edited by: Toros Revoke on 22/06/2011 01:53:58 You really can't help but laugh at this madness; one isk is meant to be more than a single person can earn in several lifetimes, in which case I've got the income of entire worlds in my wallet, Yet I can't afford new shoes... CCP looks at you and wonders why you are such a poor piece of crap.
ifollowed through	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:59:00 - [429] even if they just misplaced the decimal point it's still waaaaaaay tooo muych for a stupid ****in' monocle
Marwood Ford	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:59:00 - [430] Just another voice in the crowd here, but I agree that this is bat**** insane.

Arista Shahni Amarr Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:59:00 - [431] Without fanfare... /agree Way too expensive. Not to mention that in most other games with micro-transaction items, some of those items can actually DO something in game. Does a fancy skirt add +1 Charisma? No? Okay then.
davet517 Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:00:00 - [432] I'm not getting the QQ here. Obviously, they mean for these things to be exclusive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but every year we have a tourney that generates cruisers and frigs that people buy for 20B and that they will never, ever fly. So, not everyone gets to wear the monacle. It's a status symbol, like having an Adrestia in your hanger. If every other portrait you saw had one, nbd, but at these prices it'll be unusual. If that's the way CCP wants to play it V0V.
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:00:00 - [433] Originally by: Gothikia Originally by: Lenore Leelu Doesn't CCP employ an economist? Is he on holiday? Remember, it is an Icelandic economist... Explains why the Icelandic economy was so ****ed up a few years back. I'm pretty sure that stuff they're smoking isn't really ice, but something else.
Isabel Dodson	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:00:00 - [434] CCP's version of the classic Jita scam; accidentally add a 0 to the price.
Scum Bum	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:01:00 - [435] Every last one of you is DEAD WRONG! 1.2 Billion isk is nothing for a monocle. It's a monocle FFs! Get it? I simply went in to our Corp hanger, grabbed 2 Orcas and a Chrone, sold em and BAM! 1 unlimited edition monocle please. TYVM CCP for placing billion isk monocles in the game. I was gonna unsubscribe if you didn't. I can't believe how much better I feel now that I am no longer monocless. For all of you nay sayers, trust me on this. Go sell some Corp assets and get yourselves a billion isk monocle. Anyone can buy a Dread for a billion isk. But real men have always sported the monocle!
Krispy Dingo Minmatar The Night Crew	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:01:00 - [436] Originally by: Toanfoal Blame WoW for the prices. They've been selling virtual teddy bears and ponies for 10-30 bucks now for months (a year even??). CCP would be insane to not charge an arm and a leg for permanent cosmetic gear, because the market has shown that there are people out there who are willing to pay it. Except that it isn't permanent. Clothing is destroyed with your pod. _____________________________ http://twitter.com/krispydingo http://krispydingo.com
stonewall ironside	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:02:00 - [437] WTB my old station view back!!! but thats probly a bill irl cash after you get all the aurum.
Sacred Klepton S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:02:00 - [438] :ccp:
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:03:00 - [439] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 22/06/2011 02:05:30 Originally by: Toros Revoke one isk is meant to be more than a single person can earn in several lifetimes Not true at all--you're just being ridiculous. Originally by: Krispy Dingo Except that it isn't permanent. Clothing is destroyed with your pod. Wrong. It's only destroyed when it's cargo, not when worn. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!
Captain Futur3	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:04:00 - [440] I rofled a lot this night... patch is awesome i nearly have tears in my eyes cause of this crap

Kurj Valdoria Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:04:00 - [441] Originally by: davet517 I'm not getting the QQ here. Obviously, they mean for these things to be exclusive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but every year we have a tourney that generates cruisers and frigs that people buy for 20B and that they will never, ever fly. So, not everyone gets to wear the monacle. It's a status symbol, like having an Adrestia in your hanger. If every other portrait you saw had one, nbd, but at these prices it'll be unusual. If that's the way CCP wants to play it V0V. With the ships you get the sense that there are only 50 or less. Anyone can buy the clothing items and the only sense you get is they are as stupid as you are. By you I also mean the person who bought the clothing item, not you bro. I <3 you.
Toanfoal	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:04:00 - [442] Originally by: davet517 I'm not getting the QQ here. Obviously, they mean for these things to be exclusive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but every year we have a tourney that generates cruisers and frigs that people buy for 20B and that they will never, ever fly. So, not everyone gets to wear the monacle. It's a status symbol, like having an Adrestia in your hanger. If every other portrait you saw had one, nbd, but at these prices it'll be unusual. If that's the way CCP wants to play it V0V. You're exactly right. In fact my wife and I JUST got done talking (during this morning's patch wait of all things) about how (RL) rich people spend ridiculous amounts of money on clothing - she knows a seamstress who does work for some millionaire... the guy literally comes to town roughly once every 2 months and pays her hundreds of dollars to hem about 30 pairs of slacks. First off, they're probably very expensive pants... but the fact that he goes through 30 every couple of months... /boggle There's money in catering to the uber wealthy in real life, why not in the virtual one, too.
Arklan1 Dunedain Rangers	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:05:00 - [443] and this, ladies and gents, is why getting an everelated tattoo is a BAD idea. much as i love this game, i can't help but laugh at this. and i was considering buying some of the clothes, too. i mean sure, i'd throw a single into the aurum converter... but, this? no. i don't see ever throwing anything towards CCP ever again without some significant changes to this ****.
Soryn Kael Chaos From Order	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:05:00 - [444] The monocle shows up on your portrait right? If so.. it's the absolute perfect item to rub it in people's faces that you have more isk than they do..
Malkev GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:06:00 - [445] Confirming that this may be the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in a video game.
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:06:00 - [446] BTW if you do it right look at second live or IMVU how they done it IMVU a special people can buy there credits for a few dollars and so on. You would have less of a out rage from users when you had investigated that. Or had you given us the design tools to make our clothes our self and sell it for ISK or AUR on the market I bet you would also have made it a succes..
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:06:00 - [447] Assuming this isn't an epic troll by CCP: Did someone not review how the economics and psychology of micro-transactions work? It'd be fine if you have a couple of prestige items that were extremely expensive, and a wide selection of items that were even rather expensive (and I'm talking 350 Aurum on the latter, max) For what you want for the monocle, or even for pants and a shirt, people could buy: Actual pants and a shirt. In real life. Portal 2. Any other AAA PC title. 3 copies of Minecraft. About 10-20 items in any other micro-transaction store. Four movie tickets. A bottle of half-way decent liquor. About 90 ***ty beers or 36 decent beers. 50 quarter-pounders with cheese. The better part of a week worth of groceries for one person. I've been playing for a fairly long time, and I'm relatively wealthy IG, so I wouldn't be paying with RL cash anyway. But this is just silly. Micro-transaction stores work on having a big selection and low prices - because remember CCP, they aren't costing you anything to sell over and over for $1 or $5 or whatever once they're released(Unless you did something deeply dumb like agree to a per-item fee to those aforementioned designers). The sad part is, due to the way RMT is already set up in Eve, CCP could have gotten away with charging a couple times more than other stores - because people would just buy with ISK bought plex, and they would have made the same amount of money. I think the idea of a micro-transaction vanity item* store in Eve is an extremely good one. I think its current implementation is about the worst it could possibly be though. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Talthrus EdgeGamers Situation Normal.	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:06:00 - [448] Edited by: Talthrus on 22/06/2011 02:06:54 Originally by: Soryn Kael The monocle shows up on your portrait right? If so.. it's the absolute perfect item to rub it in people's faces that you have more isk than they do.. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533269 That's what a monocle does to your portrait. Edit: added link.
Aquana Abyss	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:07:00 - [449] Originally by: Mai Banck Originally by: Aquana Abyss I support these prices....in fact make them higher! Best way to kill your daft NeX idea dead is to keep the prices ludicrous. Do it!!! P.S. - LOL @ People crying about the prices - so you actually in fact do want to play dress up? Fail. So you cannot grasp many have an issue with the priciple behind it ? Lol - the principle of CCP exploiting idiots? No, I think that is just fine - its actually quite fitting. Vanity items like clothes give no game advantage so who cares quite frankly? What lofty principle are you trying to defend? PS - go read the 'Ships for $ú$ú', you'll find me there campaigning against stuff they were going to do with the NeX that you probably don't even know about. Things that you know, affect the whole game, not just those wanting to play dress-up or cry about the principle after the NeX has arrived.
Tangiers LeGume	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:08:00 - [450] Originally by: Toanfoal Originally by: davet517 I'm not getting the QQ here. Obviously, they mean for these things to be exclusive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but every year we have a tourney that generates cruisers and frigs that people buy for 20B and that they will never, ever fly. So, not everyone gets to wear the monacle. It's a status symbol, like having an Adrestia in your hanger. If every other portrait you saw had one, nbd, but at these prices it'll be unusual. If that's the way CCP wants to play it V0V. You're exactly right. In fact my wife and I JUST got done talking (during this morning's patch wait of all things) about how (RL) rich people spend ridiculous amounts of money on clothing - she knows a seamstress who does work for some millionaire... the guy literally comes to town roughly once every 2 months and pays her hundreds of dollars to hem about 30 pairs of slacks. First off, they're probably very expensive pants... but the fact that he goes through 30 every couple of months... /boggle There's money in catering to the uber wealthy in real life, why not in the virtual one, too. I'm betting he doesn't spend enough to buy an air superiority fighter or an attack submarine, though!

Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:09:00 - [451] Edited by: Tobiaz on 22/06/2011 02:09:19 Originally by: Toanfoal Originally by: davet517 I'm not getting the QQ here. Obviously, they mean for these things to be exclusive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but every year we have a tourney that generates cruisers and frigs that people buy for 20B and that they will never, ever fly. So, not everyone gets to wear the monacle. It's a status symbol, like having an Adrestia in your hanger. If every other portrait you saw had one, nbd, but at these prices it'll be unusual. If that's the way CCP wants to play it V0V. You're exactly right. In fact my wife and I JUST got done talking (during this morning's patch wait of all things) about how (RL) rich people spend ridiculous amounts of money on clothing - she knows a seamstress who does work for some millionaire... the guy literally comes to town roughly once every 2 months and pays her hundreds of dollars to hem about 30 pairs of slacks. First off, they're probably very expensive pants... but the fact that he goes through 30 every couple of months... /boggle There's money in catering to the uber wealthy in real life, why not in the virtual one, too. The biggest problem is that this new direction signals a very different CCP. And looking at the extreme lack of real features of Incarna and where it DID put the focus on, the future for EVE looks bleak. That's why people are so upset.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:11:00 - [452] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 22/06/2011 02:11:51 MASSIVELY article over monocle debacle Let the mockery of CCP begin! And THANK YOU Massively for covering this nonsense!
Mr Dilkington	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:12:00 - [453] Originally by: Tobiaz The biggest problem is that this new direction signals a very different CCP. And looking at the extreme lack of real features of Incarna and where it DID put the focus on, the future for EVE looks bleak. That's why people are so upset. Yep Instead of adding features to this space PVP game we just got CCP almost begging us for cash.
Fractal Muse	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:15:00 - [454] I thought these were going to be MICRO-transactions... not transactions. This pricing is way out of line. sigh.
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:15:00 - [455] Edited by: Mars Theran on 22/06/2011 02:14:48 Think a little more along the lines of this, than your Calvin Kleins. You're looking at around $500 for an aluminum bracelet, and more than $900 for a simple silk blouse in store.
Desert Ice78 Gryphon River Industries R-I-P	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:15:00 - [456] Viritual goods that cost as much if not more then the real thing? CCP have given themselves a licence to print money. I knew it would be terrible and i'm having nothing to do with it. Now maybe the crackhead in CCP responsible can present themselves here and explain this crock of **? CCP: Consistency since 2003**
Uncle Alf	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:15:00 - [457] Originally by: Mr Dilkington Originally by: Tobiaz The biggest problem is that this new direction signals a very different CCP. And looking at the extreme lack of real features of Incarna and where it DID put the focus on, the future for EVE looks bleak. That's why people are so upset. Yep Instead of adding features to this space PVP game we just got CCP almost begging us for cash. And we have to wait months for features, yet they plan on releasing new clothes each week !! what a Joke.
Galactina Evol The Glistening	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:15:00 - [458] Originally by: Talthrus Edited by: Talthrus on 22/06/2011 02:06:54 Originally by: Soryn Kael The monocle shows up on your portrait right? If so.. it's the absolute perfect item to rub it in people's faces that you have more isk than they do.. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533269 That's what a monocle does to your portrait. Edit: added link. Well, if that is not the most perfect "bug" that karma has ever created. If this c*** stands, that bug will become reality.
Shereza	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:16:00 - [459] Originally by: Henrica Gaufridus So let's see here. I could buy, T2 fit, and possibly insure SIX battleships, or I could buy that skirt that really flatters my fat ass. Hmmmm.... I mean, I'm a girl, so I'm really torn here between "useful" and "makes my butt look cute". /horriblejoke: Yeah, but you'll probably need the price of a couple titans to make that face look cute. Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 22/06/2011 01:22:43 Didnt that one Russian mmorpg Allods or somethign like that, do the same thing? They were selling backpacks for like 50 bucks, swords for $1500.... The game died right after their cash shop fiasco...... Actually, IIRC their biggest fiasco was charging a fairly decent amount (not in terms of acceptability) for items that decurse your armor. The reason this was a fiasco was because these items were put on the market right after the cursing of gear upon death was implemented! That said it used to cost about $30 or $50 for their 28 or 32 slot bags, I forget which, but they've since been replaced with 50 "gPotatoes" "Token of the Explorer" items which have this description: "Multiples of this item can be brought to the Goblin Bnaker in your faction's capital to increase the size of your bag. The number of items needed to increase the size of your bag is dependant upon the current size of your bag." I'm thinking the cost of those larger capacities just went up exponentially now that it's somewhat hidden from players. 72 slot bank boxes are 2800 gp, however, while the 36 slot ones are 900. That's $9 for the first +12 slots IIRC. _____________ On a more serious (first response) and on-topic (second) note, you all are /nerdraging so hard it's just silly. Now before you get your collective internet panties, boxers, boyshorts, thongs, tangas, briefs, bikinis, hi-cut, low-cut, rio-cut, uncut, split-bottom, crotchless, g-strings, v-strings, unitards, and loincloths in a further knot consider this. Nobody is forcing you to pay for this over-priced junk. There isn't even anything in the lineup worth buying now so why so serious? I'll grant it's not a good precedent and dosn't bode well for future item prices when useful items become available, but here's another thing to consider. People were already whining up a storm about buying ships from the cash shop and now here's CCP indicating that people will probably be paying more for these vanity ships than they would for T3 faction variants of said ships (yes, T3 and faction combined in an impossible, and if it ever were incredibly expensive, bastard). Think about it for a moment. You might pay the equivalent of 10b isk for that neon green scorpion you wanted. With obscenely obsurd prices like that it's certainly not going to break the game environment. Another issue is just how common these vanity items are supposed to be. All the blithering from the idiot being quoted aside (whether legitimate or faked) high prices are conducive to high rarity. If CCP intends to separate the haves from the have nots visually as well as functionally that is their prerogative and if you wish to solve the issue you simply have to become a have. Finally, these items will eventually hit the isk market and at that point the price will drop, perhaps sharply. Once you buy your 1371m isk space monacle (love that it costs more than a cheap faction fit carrier) you might only be able to resell it for 800m or 700m because most people won't pay 1.3b for such an ugly piece of junk. I honestly don't think I'll ever purchase an item for aurum if these prices are indicative of CCP's intents and goals for the cash shop. I find the prices to be absurdly high. I do not, however, feel incensed or outraged enough to /nerdrage over an optional aspect of the game that has no bearing on what I actually do in it. Now if we could use aurum to buy guns for mercs in Dust514...
Unoriginality Gallente Unoriginal Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:16:00 - [460] I opened the NEX store, saw stupid prices, promptly closed it. The End.

Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:17:00 - [461] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste And the destruction of what was once one of the most respected and well-positioned MMO developers in the world continues. Just funny to watch isn't it. They had it all. Wanted moar! Lost it all.
sixfortyk	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:18:00 - [462] Sinks and Faucets You guys do realise that you can buy PLEX with ISK yeah? Go out and make some ISK, buy PLEX on the market and spend it on in game items if you cant afford the RL cash. While you are doing that the folk who have already done said task will be creating a demand for the PLEX while satiating their pea**** needs with monocles and the like. If you weren't jealous them the fashion market would fail - so maybe its not broken after all
Toanfoal	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:19:00 - [463] I could spend more on this dog collar from Gucci: http://www.gucci.com/us/styles/247244FP4IG9774# CCP is just giving many of you the opportunity to do in Eve what you will never do in real life - show off how filthy rich you are.
BBJ Shepard Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:20:00 - [464] http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/21/controversy-brewing-over-eve-online-microtransactions/ Got muted for linking this lol )0) \0/ (0(
FatRaps	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:20:00 - [465] Originally by: Toanfoal I could spend more on this dog collar from Gucci: http://www.gucci.com/us/styles/247244FP4IG9774# CCP is just giving many of you the opportunity to do in Eve what you will never do in real life - show off how filthy rich you are. Yep but this game requires more intellect than most and intelligent people dont buy that sort of crap.
Brannor McThife Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:21:00 - [466] Can't wait till they make those monacles - like everything in eve - destructable... like, unless you remember to strip your clone before getting into your pod, any clothing items that aren't generic, can be lost when you get podded... And then CCP, add what was on the clone to the killmail when it gets podded so we can all laugh at the dude who loses a 2 billion isk clone - before REAL implants... Macrotransactions ftl... -G
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:22:00 - [467] Originally by: BBJ Shepard http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/21/controversy-brewing-over-eve-online-microtransactions/ Got muted for linking this lol LOL, I saw that.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:22:00 - [468] It is much, much easier to lower prices later than to raise them.
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:22:00 - [469] Originally by: Toanfoal I could spend more on this dog collar from Gucci: http://www.gucci.com/us/styles/247244FP4IG9774# CCP is just giving many of you the opportunity to do in Eve what you will never do in real life - show off how filthy rich you are. If I want to show off, I can just fly a Machariel, and you know what? More people will see it. Anyway, it isn't really the cost itself, so much as the huge disconnect between CCP and the player base that it implies, and what it might say about who is driving things over at CCP at the moment. Until now, I'd felt fairly confident it was the people actually making the game. CCP, when they have screwed up in the past, have done so mostly in being careless or over-reaching - even with things like boot.ini. I've been there for all those screw-ups, and they didn't worry me as much as this one, because they didn't seem like just plain stupidity like this one does. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Lord Kazuhiro	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:23:00 - [470] I'd try and look at this as a cup half full moment. But I can't afford to, seeing as CCP is charging 24,000 aurum for the cup, and 8,000 for the water.

Marwood Ford	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:23:00 - [471] Originally by: Desert Ice78 CCP have given themselves a licence to print money. Could have got away with it too, but they're using it to print three thousand dollar bills.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:24:00 - [472] MAS+SIVE TRANS+AC+TIONS
Kireiina	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:25:00 - [473] I guess Eve revenue is dropping and they need more money to fund WoE (world of Emo) and Dust development. Thanks for the laugh CCP. And you're going to find out how hard it is to keep subscriber numbers up when you are doing nothing to advance the game and losing the faith of your players.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:25:00 - [474] Originally by: Silver Night Originally by: Toanfoal I could spend more on this dog collar from Gucci: http://www.gucci.com/us/styles/247244FP4IG9774# CCP is just giving many of you the opportunity to do in Eve what you will never do in real life - show off how filthy rich you are. If I want to show off, I can just fly a Machariel, and you know what? More people will see it. Anyway, it isn't really the cost itself, so much as the huge disconnect between CCP and the player base that it implies, and what it might say about who is driving things over at CCP at the moment. Until now, I'd felt fairly confident it was the people actually making the game. CCP, when they have screwed up in the past, have done so mostly in being careless or over-reaching - even with things like boot.ini. I've been there for all those screw-ups, and they didn't worry me as much as this one, because they didn't seem like just plain stupidity like this one does. Mistakes happen, but lately there have been no mistakes, but legitimately poor choice making. ______________________________
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:25:00 - [475] Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 22/06/2011 02:27:08 Can you beleive the bean counters who come up with this ****? Im pretty sure right up until patch hits he was like: Oh yea, Minmatar wallpaper, 3500 aurum per square meter. Internet fishbowl: 5000 aurum Internet fishbowl deluxe: 7500 aurum Rocket cofee table lamp: 10000 aurum THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS IN THE SANDBOX!!! P.S. Massively article is up: http://massively.joystiq.com/
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:26:00 - [476] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Mistakes happen, but lately there have been no mistakes, but legitimately poor choice making. Because of this guy: CCP Zinfandel(Aka Assbag)
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:28:00 - [477] Hell, I'm an RPer (and a bittervet who stays docked most times anyway, so I'm always looking at my character now and I have a lot of disposable IG income). We're the little dot in the middle of the target group for this sort of fluff. When people like me aren't buying, it probably means almost noone is going to be buying. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:28:00 - [478] Thread needs more sabre rattling and sub cancelation threats. vOv
Desert Ice78 Gryphon River Industries R-I-P	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:29:00 - [479] Originally by: Shereza On a more serious (first response) and on-topic (second) note, you all are /nerdraging so hard it's just silly. Now before you get your collective internet panties, boxers, boyshorts, thongs, tangas, briefs, bikinis, hi-cut, low-cut, rio-cut, uncut, split-bottom, crotchless, g-strings, v-strings, unitards, and loincloths in a further knot consider this. Nobody is forcing you to pay for this over-priced junk. There isn't even anything in the lineup worth buying now so why so serious? Shereza, I fully agree, and I bet that it will be CCP's first responce. What is making my blood boil is the amount of man hours and effort that is being wasted on this junk while the list of fixes and broken play mechanics gets longer and longer with each passing expansion, all of it to me fixed soon!!!!! CCP: Consistency since 2003
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:30:00 - [480] Originally by: Judicator Saturnius Thread needs more sabre rattling and sub cancelation threats. Already canceled 3 accounts. It ain't no threat son.

malcovas Henderson	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:30:00 - [481] Ok. So what is the problem here? Nothing to see but BWAHWAHWAH I can't afford those prices QQ
Jak Silverheart Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:30:00 - [482] Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 22/06/2011 02:27:08 Can you beleive the bean counters who come up with this **? Im pretty sure right up until patch hits he was like: Oh yea, Minmatar wallpaper, 3500 aurum per square meter. Internet fishbowl: 5000 aurum Internet fishbowl deluxe: 7500 aurum Rocket cofee table lamp: 10000 aurum THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS IN THE SANDBOX!!! P.S. Massively article is up: http://massively.joystiq.com/ Yeah but how much will a cold beer be 1million aurum or the cost of a Titan? Originally by:** Scordite Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:31:00 - [483] Edited by: Chidori kun on 22/06/2011 02:33:39 Originally by: sixfortyk Sinks and Faucets You guys do realise that you can buy PLEX with ISK yeah? Go out and make some ISK, buy PLEX on the market and spend it on in game items if you cant afford the RL cash. While you are doing that the folk who have already done said task will be creating a demand for the PLEX while satiating their pea**** needs with monocles and the like. If you weren't jealous them the fashion market would fail - so maybe its not broken after all Yes and then?? PLEX for ISK to get 30 days I fully can understand but to buy 3 PLEX with ISK to get a golden ball stuffed in my eye socket.... is useful??? I like the look of the new characters but not that much... Even if you can buy PLEX with ISK fact remains PLEX has a monetary value because it's bought and payed for...
Portmanteau CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:32:00 - [484] MONEY GRABBING DESPERADOS
Luke S Zeta Corp.	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:32:00 - [485] I think CCP forgot the whole idea of microtransactions is the fact that its Micro as in cheap stuff. ---
Ellina Alleron	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:33:00 - [486] ... ... ... sigh ... ... ... Sucks to be anyone who wanted to custimize anything. Ill be the one shooting your pod and bathing in the tears when CCP makes this stuff destructable. Cant wait to see the, "WTF!! I spent $200 on those clothes!" in local.
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:33:00 - [487] Originally by: Chewiest Bong Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Mistakes happen, but lately there have been no mistakes, but legitimately poor choice making. Because of this guy: CCP Zinfandel(Aka Assbag) Irony is he has the Monocle and worked at Meridian 59. If you knew about Meridian 59 you will probably realize the way EVE is heading, which is not a good place. Over and over you can see the SEVERE lack of FORESIGHT and POOR CHOICE MAKING EVE has been making lately. This is not the CCP we used to know, this simply is some kind of faceless entity that just wants to eat people's money. Who knows? In a year we might get purchaseable skill points packs to apply to skills of our choice , how the mighty have fallen tsk,tsk,tsk. ---Archipelago Theory---
Your Stuff	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:33:00 - [488] Originally by: Chewiest Bong Because of this guy: CCP Zinfandel(Aka Assbag) $60 says he didn't buy his monocle. It was probably given to him by the guy who stuck a **** in his eye.
Marwood Ford	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:34:00 - [489] Originally by: Shereza There isn't even anything in the lineup worth buying now so why so serious? I'll grant it's not a good precedent and dosn't bode well for future item prices when useful items become available... I find the prices to be absurdly high. Kind of answered your own question, Shereza. Most people here aren't nerdraging any more than you are.
Jaya Caldari Brothers At Arms Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:35:00 - [490] I agree, the prices are insane and i for one will not be supporting this system. Your blowing it CCP.

Nak hak	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:35:00 - [491] Edited by: Nak hak on 22/06/2011 02:35:38 Was planning on WIS in underwear and flip-flops. Damn, hate to think about how much a pair of flop-flops are going to cost.
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:37:00 - [492] At least if you show info on someone and they have a monocle, you know that you probably found a good scam target. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Meldrich	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:39:00 - [493] Not bright CCP, at all. I'm still trying to figure out where all the money is going, 'cause for what you are charging I expect one expansion per month or maybe every 2 months.
Scruffy Sandra	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:39:00 - [494] Originally by: Silver Night At least if you show info on someone and they have a monocle, you know that you probably found a good scam target. hahaha so true
Borameir Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:39:00 - [495] Out of curiosity, how would this effect PLEX prices in game? If PLEX costs something like 350-400m ISK now, how much higher would you expect the PLEX go up if these vanity items were much less? Could it be that this is a good thing to prevent the in game ISK market from going crazy? I honestly don't know, just curious. ______________ In the beginning God created balls, then man played with them. This became known as Sports.
Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:40:00 - [496] With CCP's idea of MT pricing, I can't wait to see what happens with Dust 514. What do you mean I get a slingshot as basic gear and a rifle cost $50!
Cooper Anderson Stewart	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:40:00 - [497] Originally by: Jade Constantine This is pretty damned ridiculous. Play eve for a month for free or buy a women's "impress" dress skirt? The prices for these "virtual goods" are a joke. I'd suggest your dev who said during the alliance tournament was working on microtransactions and other games look at the real dollar value of vanity items. They should be pennies on the dollar not upwards of actual real life cost. I can buy actual shoes for less real dollars than aurem/plex equivalents. I know it's a first rollout and I'm patient but when nothing is selling, don't take it as a feature no one wants but rather something people won't use because the prices are unbalanced.
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:40:00 - [498] CCP Zinfandel's motto on his profile: If all it cost you was money, it was a cheap lesson.
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:41:00 - [499] I must find someone who's already kitted out in the new garb. Where are the rich suckers around here? vOv
helmut cheddar	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:42:00 - [500] Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama CCP Zinfandel's motto on his profile: If all it cost you was money, it was a cheap lesson. fo real ??

Kurj Valdoria Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:43:00 - [501] Originally by: helmut cheddar Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama CCP Zinfandel's motto on his profile: If all it cost you was money, it was a cheap lesson. fo real ?? Yeah, I assume they'll make him change that soon.
Toanfoal	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:45:00 - [502] Originally by: Silver Night If I want to show off, I can just fly a Machariel, and you know what? More people will see it. Anyway, it isn't really the cost itself, so much as the huge disconnect between CCP and the player base that it implies, and what it might say about who is driving things over at CCP at the moment. Until now, I'd felt fairly confident it was the people actually making the game. CCP, when they have screwed up in the past, have done so mostly in being careless or over-reaching - even with things like boot.ini. I've been there for all those screw-ups, and they didn't worry me as much as this one, because they didn't seem like just plain stupidity like this one does. But now you're comparing apples and oranges. The Mach is an actual tool in the Eve universe - you can use it to more efficiently kill, and you can also lose it. The monocle (or whatever) is not a tool. It serves absolutely no function other than being a fashion accessory, and you aren't risking it by being seen with it (whether you're risking whatever ship you're flying is another question, but that reaction alone will be of great value to some, I'm sure). And I think a very brief examination of the real fashion industry will show you that it does one thing and one thing only - constantly produce new, eye-catching stuff that is overpriced, for the simple purpose of displaying to others that you have what it takes to be dressed in the latest best. Is it stupid? Yes - I personally think that it is completely inane. I still wear clothes that I bought 5-10 years ago, and I'm sure they were lame then. But I'm not filthy rich, I don't run in those circles, I'm not trying to impress anyone, and I really couldn't care less. Who I am in Eve, though, is another issue entirely. Maybe I want to be the rich guy, flaunting the ridiculous, latest fashion - and I can do it all just with in-game isk. Pricing these things so that everyone could have them would've merely made them into additional character customization - nothing special at all, really. I realize many people wanted more customization (and they have a point), and I think that CCP did make a mistake by not including a whole range of much cheaper, but less cool, fashion options in addition to the ridiculous stuff. Nonetheless, CCP has introduced to us another flavor of the 'upper class' of Eve. So, of course, the peasants are rioting.
Harold Tuphlos	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:45:00 - [503] snicker @ ccp.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:45:00 - [504] CCP...They're called microtransactions for a reason.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:49:00 - [505] Just think of the items in the noble exchange as high end exclusive fashion. It's not that hard to find clothing that costs as much as a ferrari in the real world. Exclusive items are worth what people are willing to pay for them, when marketing exclusive items at people who buy super carriers by the dozen, you can afford to charge a lot. It should be worth keeping in mind that if they made the NEX items too cheap it would over inflate the value of plex and deflate the value of isk. Large fleet battles sound far less impressive when you hear about how they destroyed a fleet of 100 capital ships with an equivalent real world cost of $3.50.
Zelphinine	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:53:00 - [506] Sent an email to Ars Technica (my computer emag of choice) regarding all this, though looks like Massive's already on the case.
Hroya	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:53:00 - [507] A whole lot of rage about a feature a legion of players were against from the start allready. So how much exactly does it matter if the prices for vanity items are over the top or not when the concept of micro transactions was allready frowned upon from the get go ? It's not a mandatory feature to use ( at this point ) so why you all rage and scream here is beyond me. When stuff like this does become mandatory i can understand public rage and turning your back on the game. Dont like it, dont use it. It's not ccp that keeps a feature alive, it's the customers that participate in it so perhaps it's a good angle to look at the customers not the suppliers.
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:54:00 - [508] Originally by: Toanfoal Originally by: Silver Night If I want to show off, I can just fly a Machariel, and you know what? More people will see it. Anyway, it isn't really the cost itself, so much as the huge disconnect between CCP and the player base that it implies, and what it might say about who is driving things over at CCP at the moment. Until now, I'd felt fairly confident it was the people actually making the game. CCP, when they have screwed up in the past, have done so mostly in being careless or over-reaching - even with things like boot.ini. I've been there for all those screw-ups, and they didn't worry me as much as this one, because they didn't seem like just plain stupidity like this one does. But now you're comparing apples and oranges. The Mach is an actual tool in the Eve universe - you can use it to more efficiently kill, and you can also lose it. The monocle (or whatever) is not a tool. It serves absolutely no function other than being a fashion accessory, and you aren't risking it by being seen with it (whether you're risking whatever ship you're flying is another question, but that reaction alone will be of great value to some, I'm sure). And I think a very brief examination of the real fashion industry will show you that it does one thing and one thing only - constantly produce new, eye-catching stuff that is overpriced, for the simple purpose of displaying to others that you have what it takes to be dressed in the latest best. Is it stupid? Yes - I personally think that it is completely inane. I still wear clothes that I bought 5-10 years ago, and I'm sure they were lame then. But I'm not filthy rich, I don't run in those circles, I'm not trying to impress anyone, and I really couldn't care less. Who I am in Eve, though, is another issue entirely. Maybe I want to be the rich guy, flaunting the ridiculous, latest fashion - and I can do it all just with in-game isk. Pricing these things so that everyone could have them would've merely made them into additional character customization - nothing special at all, really. I realize many people wanted more customization (and they have a point), and I think that CCP did make a mistake by not including a whole range of much cheaper, but less cool, fashion options in addition to the ridiculous stuff. Nonetheless, CCP has introduced to us another flavor of the 'upper class' of Eve. So, of course, the peasants are rioting. See, the thing is though, I am filthy rich IG, or at least, rich enough where these prices on their own aren't really a detriment to me. I still think that the Mach would make that statement - if I felt like making it - more efficiently than the monocle. Incidentally, being able to risk losing faction stuff is a very good way of advertising how e-rich you are. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:54:00 - [509] Originally by: Khamelean Just think of the items in the noble exchange as high end exclusive fashion. It's not that hard to find clothing that costs as much as a ferrari in the real world. Exclusive items are worth what people are willing to pay for them, when marketing exclusive items at people who buy super carriers by the dozen, you can afford to charge a lot. It should be worth keeping in mind that if they made the NEX items too cheap it would over inflate the value of plex and deflate the value of isk. Large fleet battles sound far less impressive when you hear about how they destroyed a fleet of 100 capital ships with an equivalent real world cost of $3.50. How would this deflate the value of PLEX? It would just make Aurum items affordable, used, and a minor PLEX sink, leaving PLEX prices mostly alone as they were before the stuff exists. ______________________________
Hockston Axe Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:55:00 - [510] And I thought that Civ 5 trying to charge $5 for a new civilization was an insane greed fueled money grab... are you high? are you drunk? do you think your players are stupid? are you insane? or are you just stupid CCP? Not even bankers are as greedy as you seem to have gotten. Your prices are beyond ridiculous.

Scruffy Sandra	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:55:00 - [511] Originally by: Hroya A whole lot of rage about a feature a legion of players were against from the start allready. So how much exactly does it matter if the prices for vanity items are over the top or not when the concept of micro transactions was allready frowned upon from the get go ? It's not a mandatory feature to use ( at this point ) so why you all rage and scream here is beyond me. When stuff like this does become mandatory i can understand public rage and turning your back on the game. Dont like it, dont use it. It's not ccp that keeps a feature alive, it's the customers that participate in it so perhaps it's a good angle to look at the customers not the suppliers. Its the Principal, instead of a PVP space game we get CCP begging us for cash.
Wrayeth EdgeGamers Situation Normal.	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:55:00 - [512] Edited by: Wrayeth on 22/06/2011 02:57:58 I want to believe this is an instance of epic trolling where CCP is poking fun at all of those players who shouted "The sky is falling!" when they announced there would be a cash shop for vanity items only. However, I don't think this is a joke, and that saddens me to no end. I used to have a lot of faith in CCP as a company that, while in business to make money, were out to make a great game. This makes me doubt that is true, anymore. Unfortunately, I expect we're going to have to wait for the devs to wake up tomorrow before we find out for certain. (For the record, I'm vehemently against cash shops for items with actual game effects. As a result, I didn't give a damn one way or another about the EVE cash shop until I read about the ridiculous Aurum prices for the vanity items.) EDIT: Incomprehensible grammar. -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <--
Kerin Melak Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:56:00 - [513] Originally by: Silver Night Hell, I'm an RPer (and a bittervet who stays docked most times anyway, so I'm always looking at my character now and I have a lot of disposable IG income). We're the little dot in the middle of the target group for this sort of fluff. When people like me aren't buying, it probably means almost noone is going to be buying. So very much this. Not only is this crap stupidly expensive (not all of us are making hundreds of millions of isk a month to buy plex in game), but all the "womens" clothes are horrible. I'd much rather have my avatar running around in those trousers and boots than a crappy two-tone skirt. Though I admit that is an assumption based on them being labelled "mens" and "womens", since I'm not paying those prices to find out myself I could be completely wrong. --- Chocolate McGubbins for all! ---
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:57:00 - [514] T3 officer fit, terribad mercs, and poor scam schemes; and if all else fails... monocle smile! ___ Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:57:00 - [515] Edited by: Chidori kun on 22/06/2011 02:58:40 psst some inform sites like IGN maybe then they get the message...
Mirage Excelsior Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:57:00 - [516] Edited by: Mirage Excelsior on 22/06/2011 03:00:04 Originally by: Hockston Axe Not even bankers are as greedy as you seem to have gotten. Your prices are beyond ridiculous. My god that explains it! CCP hired the same bankers that crashed Icelands economy EDIT: Wife raised a valid point, maybe this is all a smokescreen to deflect people from crying over the unscanable ship nerf?
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:58:00 - [517] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Khamelean Just think of the items in the noble exchange as high end exclusive fashion. It's not that hard to find clothing that costs as much as a ferrari in the real world. Exclusive items are worth what people are willing to pay for them, when marketing exclusive items at people who buy super carriers by the dozen, you can afford to charge a lot. It should be worth keeping in mind that if they made the NEX items too cheap it would over inflate the value of plex and deflate the value of isk. Large fleet battles sound far less impressive when you hear about how they destroyed a fleet of 100 capital ships with an equivalent real world cost of $3.50. How would this deflate the value of PLEX? It would just make Aurum items affordable, used, and a minor PLEX sink, leaving PLEX prices mostly alone as they were before the stuff exists. I said inflate the value of plex, not deflate it. Increased demand for limited supply increases cost.
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:58:00 - [518] Toanfoal: I think you do make a good point, and it's one I made a few posts back too, about it being a good idea for there to be a few 'prestige' extremely expensive items, and a wide selection of much less expensive items. If there were any hint of that being the model CCP was pursuing in any of this, I might revise my opinion (though I think that the monocle is a bit ugly to make a good 'prestige' item in any case. YMMV.) -------------- Silver's Fiction
DRUGS	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:58:00 - [519] Originally by: Graelyn I do try my best to be the calm voice of reason when I post on these boards, but.... ARE YOU ON ******* DRUGS, CCP? what you need?
Jim Aaltra	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:59:00 - [520] I guess CCP so overstretched from developing Dust and WoD that this seems like a good idea. Hopefully if they do take off they'll show EVE the love it deserves and not ditch it for the fotm buck. At the moment all this shizzle is getting a bit tiresome..... Such a shame, a bit more focus and EVE could be and remain the ultimate game.

Carcosa Hali True Slave Foundations	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:00:00 - [521] Originally by: Khamelean Just think of the items in the noble exchange as high end exclusive fashion. It's not that hard to find clothing that costs as much as a ferrari in the real world. Exclusive items are worth what people are willing to pay for them, when marketing exclusive items at people who buy super carriers by the dozen, you can afford to charge a lot. It should be worth keeping in mind that if they made the NEX items too cheap it would over inflate the value of plex and deflate the value of isk. Large fleet battles sound far less impressive when you hear about how they destroyed a fleet of 100 capital ships with an equivalent real world cost of $3.50. I would agree to that, if everyone was buying motherships for use in high-sec.. But the fact is, that there are no stations in 0.0, where people can afford to blow ludicrous ISK with little/no consequences.. But in high-sec where people actually have stations to play in, these items are ludicrously overpriced.. It's 02.54 on the 22nd, and there are NO eyewear sell orders in Amarr.. I expected the high money speculators would have them out, but so far No One has put them up for sale. Why? Because the high-end traders in Eve realize when there is no market for such an item. There is literally NO MARKET for cosmetic items at these prices. Considering one could have 1.5 Nightmares for the cost of a monocle, who could blame them? ------------------------------- Within Sansha Outside.
Zeta Kalin Large Rodent Hunters	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:00:00 - [522] Originally by: Khamelean Just think of the items in the noble exchange as high end exclusive fashion. It's not that hard to find clothing that costs as much as a ferrari in the real world. Exclusive items are worth what people are willing to pay for them, when marketing exclusive items at people who buy super carriers by the dozen, you can afford to charge a lot. The stuff that goes for as high as a Ferrari in the RL world doesn't look like you'd have gotten it for $10 at Walmart, or even cheaper at a military surplus like those olive drab jackets. What you'll be hard pressed to find is clothes costing more than aircraft carriers, which is the case for the current ones. Irrelevant of CCPs greed, disconnection with the player base etc, this is stupidly immersion breaking. -- This was the time, CCP was still CCP, it was good.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:02:00 - [523] Originally by: Carcosa Hali Considering one could have 1.5 Nightmares for the cost of a monocle, who could blame them? It's the other way around. We're using the monocles as a unit of value measurement now. What you mean to say is that a Nightmare costs you .75 monocles.
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:04:00 - [524] OK last post, for me When i was on SiSi testing I played around with the clothes they where selling for what 2 to 3 AUR. I was thinking ok if they set the prices around the range of 200 to 300 with peaks from 1000 for a special scorp well then they can make this a succes. But no this is over the top Chid
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:04:00 - [525] This is silly and absurd. CCP should take a look at cosmetic items IN DDO. Stuff ranges from 1 to 4 real life dollars. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Ivbeen Cloned	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:04:00 - [526] Theres really not much to say here, I mean it's hilarious that CCP thinks that people would actually pay this much RL money for some clothes in a game that was never met to have clothes in the first palce.
Carcosa Hali True Slave Foundations	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:04:00 - [527] Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Carcosa Hali Considering one could have 1.5 Nightmares for the cost of a monocle, who could blame them? It's the other way around. We're using the monocles as a unit of value measurement now. What you mean to say is that a Nightmare costs you .75 monocles. LOL... I accept your conversion. =DD ------------------------------- Within Sansha Outside.
Alexei Antonov Caldari Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:05:00 - [528] So for the use of a pixelated eyeball in one game, I could get carbon fiber 600mm heli blades....or another Lipo battery....or a reciever chip, pair of nice metric calipers, fill my car twice, have lunch for almost two weeks.... or a pc game off steam.... So this is a troll right? Because 90% of people I know in eve complain about being poor. So aside from the few fools who either have enough isk they don't care or the same person with no sense.... Again this was someone's drunk booboo right?....Right...? [url=http://gho.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=375068] [/url]
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:08:00 - [529] quiet disturbing. these recent events are. ccp losing grip on reality. Do not click this ad.
Ayieka Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:10:00 - [530] Originally by: Ivbeen Cloned Theres really not much to say here, I mean it's hilarious that CCP thinks that people would actually pay this much RL money for some clothes in a game that was never met to have clothes in the first palce. have you even seen how much money valve has made from TF2 microtransactions?

Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:11:00 - [531] Originally by: Garia666 quiet disturbing. these recent events are. ccp losing grip on reality. Dollar signs in her eyes
General Xenophon Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:13:00 - [532] Originally by: davet517 I'm not getting the QQ here. Obviously, they mean for these things to be exclusive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but every year we have a tourney that generates cruisers and frigs that people buy for 20B and that they will never, ever fly. So, not everyone gets to wear the monacle. It's a status symbol, like having an Adrestia in your hanger. If every other portrait you saw had one, nbd, but at these prices it'll be unusual. If that's the way CCP wants to play it V0V. Because that 'monacle' costs $80 in a game we're already paying 15 a month for... and what does that Monacle even do? Least you can fly the ship if you wanted to, even if you don't, it actually DOES something. This change is rip**. I can't believe they've added a new currency you have to PAY for at such a high cost in-game and this is a PAY PER MONTH GAME, not some stupid ass free to play 'there's an item shop' bull game. I pay to play because I want access to content. I don't play Free to Play micro-transaction games because I don't like being nickle'd and dime'd for every stupid little piece of in the game. CCP has gone too far. This is totally insane and completely ** dumb. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints
Chigger Troutslayer Internet Spaceship Gamers RED Citizens	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:13:00 - [533] On the bright side I am no longer worried that this will inflate the PLEX market because only the rich and the less bright folks among us will be buying up plex to convert to AUR and spend at these prices. Wow... just WOW. No way I'm spending more on Internetz pixel shirt than IRL shirt. I would buy some stuff if it was reasonably priced, but this is just over priced. Or to put it in more familiar terms, LUDICROUSLY OVERPRICED.
Vernn Miller Caldari Dreddit	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:14:00 - [534] It`s really getting more and more obvious how the people that run this ** don`t actually play the game or know what the community needs and wants. With this last shenanigan the current CCP has shown it`s true money grabbing, nickel and diming face. Take the entire bizdev department out the back door and jet them into space as they are **ing useless and each and everyone of them should consider taking up street sweeping as a future job. And since this is a 18th page of this threadnaught without an official response, I can only imagine this has not been a mistake.
Ivbeen Cloned	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:16:00 - [535] Originally by: Ayieka Originally by: Ivbeen Cloned Theres really not much to say here, I mean it's hilarious that CCP thinks that people would actually pay this much RL money for some clothes in a game that was never met to have clothes in the first palce. have you even seen how much money valve has made from TF2 microtransactions? I have not but I'll take your word for it.
General Xenophon Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:16:00 - [536] Originally by: Ayieka Originally by: Ivbeen Cloned Theres really not much to say here, I mean it's hilarious that CCP thinks that people would actually pay this much RL money for some clothes in a game that was never met to have clothes in the first palce. have you even seen how much money valve has made from TF2 microtransactions? yea but you pay 50 or whatever for TF2, then if you choose to you buy the extra crap you can, but its not a monthly fee game. You do know if CCP is allowed to go this micro-transaction games its only a matter of time before they add items that actually help your char or give stats. Eve is a pay to play game after paying the initial $20. What they're doing is having you pay to play, and then making you pay for some stupid ** item that doesn't actually DO anything, that doesn't matter, that doesn't mean ANYTHING, all because those jagholes want to make more money and give us ** in return. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints
Spacing Cowboy Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:16:00 - [537] I am used to play microtransaction "games" I don't mind spending rl money for pixel'ed gaming goody's ... a plex+change for a t-** ? LOL CCP , you added a 0 to much ? One advantage tho, i won't need to even -think- about converting plex into that aurum **e
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:19:00 - [538] Honestly, I'd like CCP to make money. I've played for a long time, and I want them to continue expanding the game. I'm excited to see what else they are going to do. But a cursory knowledge of economics suggest that their concern should be $ per item released rather than per item sold, since new copies of an item in a database cost pretty much nothing, whereas creating an item is probably a (relatively) expensive activity. So it makes a lot more sense to sell 20 units (Or 30, or 50, or 100) of an item at $5 each than 1 unit for $50. All of that is, in a nutshell, what the economics of micro-transactions are. That goes hand-in-hand with the psychological side, which is that people are much more likely to make a $5 impulse buy than a $50 one. That's what makes this entire thing so baffling. The problem isn't that CCP is being greedy. If they were being greedy (or at least being greedy correctly), the item prices would be much lower. Instead, it just looks like they are being stupid, which makes no sense given how many intelligent people seem to work there, and how many resources they've put into this. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Svetlana Kerensky Caldari The Black Bha'lir Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:22:00 - [539] /me takes a look into the clothes store , looks again, and after rechecking the prices a third time knows CCP has lost it completely cmon CCP, prices this high???? at 200-400 aurum things would be cool , but at these prices you're store is a deadborn
cragz	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:23:00 - [540] wow this is turning into a MT ... Monster Thread about Monstertransactions!. Did I mention earlier that I would luv to pay huge sums of in RL cash for a full skill respec ? Heres my $40 CCP i'm waving infront of your nose, come get it, you know you want it.....

Hildegaard Russell	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:23:00 - [541] Originally by: Ayieka Originally by: Ivbeen Cloned Theres really not much to say here, I mean it's hilarious that CCP thinks that people would actually pay this much RL money for some clothes in a game that was never met to have clothes in the first palce. have you even seen how much money valve has made from TF2 microtransactions? People have to buy the stuff in the first place for them to make money. I'd buy a plex and break it to outfit a character or two. That's cash CCP would get from me. I won't buy a plex to buy one item. I want to give CCP money for vanity items. They've made a business decision that means I won't. They could have made money off me, and now they won't. I can't think I'm the only one who CCP'd profit off if the prices were lower but who won't get past the entry barrier of lolridiculous costs.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:25:00 - [542] Originally by: Soryn Kael The monocle shows up on your portrait right? If so.. it's the absolute perfect item to rub it in people's faces that you have more isk than they do.. The rich are not rich because they are stupid. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Vile'er Ungrateful Vile	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:25:00 - [543] i actually logged in today expecting to spend 3~4 plex n buy my 12 toons all an outfit each if not multipul outfits.. the outfits are all more boring and plain than the char creator ones and the cost is what 6?plex for a full suit.. this is silly
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:25:00 - [544] Originally by: Ayieka Originally by: Ivbeen Cloned Theres really not much to say here, I mean it's hilarious that CCP thinks that people would actually pay this much RL money for some clothes in a game that was never met to have clothes in the first palce. have you even seen how much money valve has made from TF2 microtransactions? Yes, but you forget that TF2 microtransations are ACTUALLY GOOD. And all the items that you can get from that can also be received (if the dice gods smile upon you) through crafting. With EVE this is most definitely not the case. Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
Xander Hunt Minmatar Dead Rats Tell No Tales	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:26:00 - [545] Originally by: Toawa Yeah, the prices are pretty insane. I do not think, however, that CCP is equally so; I have no doubt that the prices will be going down, by a lot, in short order. Originally by: Cor'len This is hilarious. CCP has been ***ing away customer goodwill like nothing I've ever seen before this past month. First the hubbub about the $99 "commercial" application dev fee ("commercial" as in "you can't actually charge money for your application", ) I'd love to know where you heard that, since in every mention of it that they've made that I've seen, they have pretty explicitly said that the entire point of the commercial license is so that you can* charge money for your application. And as someone who actually writes software for a living, I can say that a $99, non-royalty license to write commercial software for a property like EVE is a bargain. They could charge 10 times as much and still have takers for it. (Not as many, of course, but still...) Did you read the actual official post from CCP about this? Any kind of transaction, in-game currency, or real world currency, is going to cost $99. If I have any public web interface that has anything to do with EVE, be it free to use with no in-or-out-of game transactions, I'll have to pay $99. Unless I'm going to use it FOR ME, and ME ALONE, and not have it accessible via the internet, I will have to pay $99 for the use of the API service. If you force the payment of the services via ISK or RW money, and you make a profit in either case for the year, GOOD ON YOU. To force me to pay $99 that I coded in my free time for the bonus to my corp and me? GTFO. CCP is changing, and I'm really not liking it.
Karsa Egivand Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:27:00 - [546] Yeah, the prices on these vanity items make us all giggle. I am not quite sure what CCP is smoking, but I am having a grand time inhaling the fumes.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:27:00 - [547] Originally by: Silver Night All of that is, in a nutshell, what the economics of micro-transactions are. That goes hand-in-hand with the psychological side, which is that people are much more likely to make a $5 impulse buy than a $50 one. That's what makes this entire thing so baffling. The problem isn't that CCP is being greedy. If they were being greedy (or at least being greedy correctly), the item prices would be much lower. Instead, it just looks like they are being stupid, which makes no sense given how many intelligent people seem to work there, and how many resources they've put into this. Spot on. The reason Apple has made a killing with the iOS App store is pretty much the same thing: people will buy a bajillion $0.99 apps, but they would never in a lifetime buy two half-bajillion apps or four quarter-bajillion apps. The cost for those things are so low that people buy stuff just to try them out becauseà hey, it's less than a buck, so what if it turns out to be crap? Clickdonewhocares → money in the bank. You make the price so low that it's no longer even remotely an factor in the decision process, and as a result, people are pouring money on them ù money they wouldn't have spent if the prices were higher. You see the same in the Mac App store: apps that previously cost $30û50 now cost half or a third that, and the developers are making bank like never before because you've removed (or at least massively rasped down) that decision threshold. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
I Legionnaire Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:30:00 - [548] Lol, so I can buy a monocle to put on an avatar I never look at (since I turned this CQ bull**** off) or I could buy a fully fit Machariel. Hmm, decisions... decisions. For honour, and glory.
Nissui	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:30:00 - [549] Wait, this was CCPs way of getting me to wardec a bunch random strangers, right? Cos that's what I'm thinking of doing when I see someone sporting a vanity item and actually buying into this horseshat.
Blazie Minmatar Drekkar Research and Development	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:32:00 - [550] I've never been against MT, i've spent plenty of money on TF2 to prove that, but I'll never buy anything from the NEX at these prices. When i can buy RL clothes for less money than pixels, I'll pass.

Ranita Drell	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:33:00 - [551] Edited by: Ranita Drell on 22/06/2011 03:36:34 Originally by: Silver Night That's what makes this entire thing so baffling. The problem isn't that CCP is being greedy. If they were being greedy (or at least being greedy correctly), the item prices would be much lower. Instead, it just looks like they are being stupid, which makes no sense given how many intelligent people seem to work there, and how many resources they've put into this. There may be some method to their madness. If these vanity purchases are seen as luxury, prestige enhancing items, then the higher price is exactly what will make them more desirable. Of course, that's sort of conflicts with marketing these things as being purchasable via "micro transactions." I believe that EVE's demographic includes a lot of fairly well-paid professionals and the like, many of whom might not think twice about spending $120 on a few vanity items that help them stand out. Likewise, there are probably a bunch of wealthy-in-EVE folks for whom a few billion ISK is no big deal and would like to advertise their wealth with displays of conspicuous consumption. But that's catering to what I believe is probably a relatively small portion of EVE's player base. You also have a lot of folks who'd probably be willing to spend $5 or 80 million ISK on a virtual accessory who look at the current prices and see that CCP didn't roll out this technology for them, and may see it as an insult. That will (and already has) cost them in good will.
Missus Malaprop	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:34:00 - [552] juuuuuump jump that shark!
NiM Cal	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:35:00 - [553] Can't wait to see the price for a refurbished cabin, when their promised "Virtual IKEA" goes live. I'd prob have to trade my RL house in for a cardboard box in order to fund it. :hugecripes:
Dark Kisaragi Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:35:00 - [554] this is F*ing ridiculous i was looking at purchasing a pile of stuff with a couple of plex's and selling what i didn't want for isk so i could buy other useful stuff. no thank you CCP................great job........
agram tabris Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:36:00 - [555] u know why there is still nor ccp reply in such an nearly-20-pages threadnaught?? becuse we're right about CCP screwing it up - they know that and simply have no clue how to reply without causing more laughter than allready present...HAHA. epic. the day ccp proved they're clueless about their own game and ppl playing it. well thats actually not funny. no sig.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:37:00 - [556] Originally by: Judicator Saturnius Thread needs more sabre rattling and sub cancelation threats. 19 days left on mine, then cya. and no you can't have a fcking thing. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Baroness Fane	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:37:00 - [557] Eve is just trying to make a few bucks off their hard work and IP. I feel bad for all you suckers complaining about prices for items you don't even HAVE to buy. I've got a monocle in each eye and the future has never looked so bright.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:37:00 - [558] Either the coders added in some zero's by mistake or CCP doesn't under the concept of MICRO transactions.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:38:00 - [559] Originally by: Missus Malaprop juuuuuump jump that shark! There are not enough sharks in all of the oceans to make a stack high enough for this jump. ______________________________
Pytria Le'Danness	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:39:00 - [560] At the price for the virtual goods here I can go to the next store and buy myself a new shirt and trousers FOR REAL. Not overly good ones, but hey, have you checked how the items in the Not-Exploiting-Our-Customers-At-All store look?

Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:40:00 - [561] Originally by: Khamelean snip There are a few other sites getting wind of this business. Already seen this same exact text in one place. You need to get your PR self more on the ball. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Ivbeen Cloned	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:42:00 - [562] Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness At the price for the virtual goods here I can go to the next store and buy myself a new shirt and trousers FOR REAL. Not overly good ones, but hey, have you checked how the items in the Not-Exploiting-Our-Customers-At-All store look? Hey I bought a t-shirt and a pair of shorts for the summer the other day for 10 bucks. CCP are clueless...
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:44:00 - [563] Well the NEX items certainly won't impact PLEX prices! "The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
Yvan Ratamnim	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:45:00 - [564] ok seriously microtransactions are fine but honestly 1. CQ for now is single player so why pay even 100aur for a clothing they wont sell for now i think. 2. WTF 12000 AUR, 3600 AUR are you guys Fcking nuts i know its all optional stuff we can ignore but seriously you guys realize no one will ever buy *** at these prices right?
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:45:00 - [565] I hope so. I could use a few plex down around 300m again. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Henrica Gaufridus	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:46:00 - [566] Hey CCP, when are you going to put booty shorts up on NEX so I can justify buying a few PLEX to show off my fabulously round booty?
Captain Alcatraz Invicta. Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:46:00 - [567] Originally by: Simetraz Either the coders added in some zero's by mistake or CCP doesn't under the concept of MICRO transactions. ^
Quistis Noir The Lotus Edge	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:46:00 - [568] I think CCP underestimated the value of a plex to a player. Sure a plex is about 350m-400m isk which many players can buy very easily, and afford to blow. But to much more players, 1 plex equals hours and hours of entertainment in a month, which is good value in real life. Having to exchange that hours of entertainment for a skirt, is not worth it in most peoples eyes.
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:47:00 - [569] No plans at all to buy stuff via this market, but what the ** is CCP thinking? That we will lose our ing minds and put nearly $60US into a ing monocle? My hobby is Internet Spaceships. Give me tricked out, high-end ships for which I have spent years training. Give me iteration on ship models (not just one model per year). Give me continued storyline development on Sleepers / Jovians / Pirate Faction of the Day and related emerging technological discoveries. For those I would consider buying GTCs and selling for ISK. But invest the same amount of RL currency in pixel-based clothing that I will see once in a while? This is the most ing absurd game design and business model development that I have seen in a long time. Originally by:** Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected if Dust is a flop?
Crymeea River	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:48:00 - [570] So do I buy the monacle or get a hooker? Decisions decisions...

Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:49:00 - [571] Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st -- Originally by: CCP Elais It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
Xander Hunt Minmatar Dead Rats Tell No Tales	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:50:00 - [572] Originally by: Technovar Originally by: Cacophonus Quote: CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. But you can also buy them on the... Reposting this quote because it NEEDS TO BE HEARD. If someone walked up to me and told me the above in real life to justify the cost of some trivial thing, I'd punch you in the face without blinking. Time to leash your gm's. I've canceled my sub- it'll be done in slightly over 3 months. Fix your **** or say goodbye. Zinfandel's not a GM. He's a marketing guy, and one of the ones behind this whole debacle. He needs to be fired.
Henrica Gaufridus	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:52:00 - [573] Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness At the price for the virtual goods here I can go to the next store and buy myself a new shirt and trousers FOR REAL. Not overly good ones, but hey, have you checked how the items in the Not-Exploiting-Our-Customers-At-All store look? And they've still got tons of fun graphical bugs to work out. My favorite is the "OH MY GOD MY ARM IS GOING THROUGH MY STOMACH" one when I'm sitting. Apparently, they didn't think ANYONE would want to create a character that didn't have 6-pack abs.
Jaroslav Unwanted	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:52:00 - [574] Originally by: Ishnadriel Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25 I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... Point is .. its clever move from CCP .. now all the whining threads about insane prices... will actually prove that people wants it.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:56:00 - [575] Waaaaaaaaaahhh, things exist that I can't afford!!!!
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:58:00 - [576] Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted Originally by: Ishnadriel Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25 I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... Point is .. its clever move from CCP .. now all the whining threads about insane prices... will actually prove that people wants it. Hardly. It is the shock and hilarity experienced at the RL currency cost of those items which makes the AUR market a theater of the absurd. Furthermore, one of the signature elements of the Incarna "expansion" turns out to be this crazy clothing and accessories market with extremely expensive items and little value added to the game. Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected if Dust is a flop?
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:59:00 - [577] Originally by: Khamelean Waaaaaaaaaahhh, things exist that I can't afford!!!! You're a **ing moron that doesn't realize PLEX has IRL monetary value and can be converted back and forth. Go ** yourself.
Utsukushii Hana	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:59:00 - [578] Nobody is forcing you to play space barbies... if it's too much don't buy it.
Ivbeen Cloned	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:00:00 - [579] Hey look the CCP Dev alts have arrived...
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:02:00 - [580] I would like the join the choir of folks that these Aurum prices are ridiculous, beyond ridiculous really. I suppose its okay though as it means I don't have to waste money on buying new outfits.....what another nice feature that'll never be used....

Soryn Kael Chaos From Order	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:02:00 - [581] Ok, let me see if I can follow the thought process here... Pre-Incarna: Players: Clothing is ******ed.. nobody will ever buy it, nobody wants it.. eff you CCP. Incarna: Players: OMFG this clothing is too expensive and too elitist. I wouldn't ever buy it.. but if I wanted to, which I don't.. really.. I want it to be affordable.. so I can show everybody how much better I am than they are inexpensively. But I don't want it.. but I'm upset that I can't afford it. Post-Incarna: Players: WTF CCP... the world is being overpopulated because you cured cancer. This is bull. I'm going to unsub my 47 accounts until you take your cancer cure off the market.
Laser Purification	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:02:00 - [582] That's not the issue. The issue is laughing at CCP thinking this was a good idea, would be warmly received by the player-base and would generate meaningful revenue. Oh and that it's your 15$ a month funding them adding it.
El Gatou	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:02:00 - [583] I don't mind the existence of vanity items. I'd even likely buy some, at some point. Once we've got big common areas in the station and things to do there that are actually worth doing, yeah, I'll let you guys ding me for a pair of good-looking boots. I love the hell out of this game, I think that common areas in the major stations will add to the social aspect of the experience, and I'm willing to pay a little premium to look good while I do it. But those prices are off by about an order of magnitude. Knock a zero off of all those and we've maybe got a deal one of these days. I don't believe I need to lecture CCP on economics, since they have at least one economist on their staff. But maybe this will be educational for some other people in the forum: You will actually make less money charging 1.0 plex for a vanity widget (such as a jacket) than you would charging 0.1 for the same widget, because less than 1/10th of the number of people who would pay 0.1 will pay 1.0. You are pricing yourself out of a market that you have a monopoly on. Think on that.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:02:00 - [584] Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted Point is .. its clever move from CCP .. now all the whining threads about insane prices... will actually prove that people wants it. No. It only proves that people understand how and why microtransactions work and that they're surprise and dismayed that CCP don't know thisà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Avet Kil	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:05:00 - [585] Edited by: Avet Kil on 22/06/2011 04:05:10 Originally by: Khamelean Waaaaaaaaaahhh, pixels exist that I can't afford!!!! Fixed, which is why it's actually ridiculous and you're coming off as a turd
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:05:00 - [586] Originally by: Utsukushii Hana Nobody is forcing you to play space barbies... if it's too much don't buy it. This whole expansion was about the roll out of "walking in stations", something a lot of people have been waiting for years to do. A seemingly large part of this expansion is vanity items which cost more than real-life clothes. The people who didn't care about walking in stations are ****ed off that this expansion has absolutely nothing to offer them. Oh wait, we have turrets that go in and out now.
Mina Sulva'r Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:05:00 - [587] Edited by: Mina Sulva''r on 22/06/2011 04:06:45 rage tears, Rage Tears, RAGE TEARS!!! AHAHAHA! No wait. OMG! Theres so many Im drowning. Cant believe people are this **ed about not being able to play virtual dress-up. Most of what you can buy looks like . And its not like anyone could have seen you in your new duds anyway?!? But yeah CCP, way to much **ing money.
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:06:00 - [588] you realize you can buy a plex on the market right?
Jaroslav Unwanted	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:06:00 - [589] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted Point is .. its clever move from CCP .. now all the whining threads about insane prices... will actually prove that people wants it. No. It only proves that people understand how and why microtransactions work and that they're surprise and dismayed that CCP don't know thisà Well you cant harldy call the noble exchange microtrasaction, when the actuall items cost more than month subscription .. xD
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:06:00 - [590] Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted Point is .. its clever move from CCP .. now all the whining threads about insane prices... will actually prove that people wants it. So, if a friend starts smashing his head against a wall, and I tell him that's ******ed, I am proving I want to bash my head against a wall? That is some wonderful logic you got there. Think CCP went off the deep end with this? Is it just hilariously terrible? Don't tell them, tell massively!

Alarion Detheron	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:07:00 - [591] What's going to be great about this too is that we won't actually be able to show off these "premium" goods to others until more of Incarna gets released.
Maia Toralen	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:08:00 - [592] In case it hasn't already been posted.
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:09:00 - [593] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE you realize you can buy a plex on the market right? Hmm..let's see. 1.6 billion isk for a monocle or a carrier/dreadnought. That's a really tough decision.
Jaroslav Unwanted	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:10:00 - [594] Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted on 22/06/2011 04:10:47 Originally by: Tutskii Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted Point is .. its clever move from CCP .. now all the whining threads about insane prices... will actually prove that people wants it. So, if a friend starts smashing his head against a wall, and I tell him that's ******ed, I am proving I want to bash my head against a wall? That is some wonderful logic you got there. well two different things are .. two different things. PS: My logic is flawless, your understanding is not. Forums are allways full of whiners whining about everything, anytime.
Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:12:00 - [595] So any guesses on how much a ship paint job will be?
Escaa	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:13:00 - [596] How come the females boots are 2400 aur and the mens are 1000 aur. When I first loaded up the NEX, I saw the boots and liked them and was willing to get them. Then I checked to see how much aur 1 plex was and my mouth just dropped open as I starred at the screen making sure I was reading it all correctly. I have a half dozen plex's sitting around and was more then willing to use one if I saw some neat stuff at fair prices. I looked at the items offered and found them all almost to be pretty ugly, expect the female boots I wanted. Then I saw the price and found out the plex/aur ratio and couldn't believe it. I'm more then willing to buy stuff, but it needs to be fairly price. Oh, and last thing to top it off, you go to sell us this overpriced stuff yet we can't even see it on our own character to make sure that it looks good, that is freaking lazy.
Soryn Kael Chaos From Order	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:13:00 - [597] Originally by: Jita Jenn Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE you realize you can buy a plex on the market right? Hmm..let's see. 1.6 billion isk for a monocle or a carrier/dreadnought. That's a really tough decision. Lets be honest.. you'll get more use out of a monocle than a dreadnought.
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:13:00 - [598] Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos So any guesses on how much a ship paint job will be? I have it on a good source that the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is gonna be the reasonable reasonable price of 200 PLEX. Think CCP went off the deep end with this? Is it just hilariously terrible? Don't tell them, tell massively!
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:13:00 - [599] I'm just stunned that pants cost more than a Battleship.
Tobin Shalim Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:15:00 - [600] Originally by: Seleene NO, the final prices of this stuff was NOT discussed with the CSM. When we asked, they were "still researching that" and "no final decisions" had been made. Like anyone believes anything the CSM says. You guys have been bought and paid for already. ----- Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...

handige harrie	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:20:00 - [601] You knnow somethings not right when the clothes in a videogame are more expensive than the clothes you buy irl.
Galactina Evol The Glistening	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:20:00 - [602] Edited by: Galactina Evol on 22/06/2011 04:20:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1uTt32Hnco&feature=related
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:21:00 - [603] Originally by: Jita Jenn Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE you realize you can buy a plex on the market right? Hmm..let's see. 1.6 billion isk for a monocle or a carrier/dreadnought. That's a really tough decision. if you want to have it, you have to buy it for the price. you know thats how it works in RL boy.
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:21:00 - [604] Remember guys, its all part of the PLAN Thank FRAU for the link har har har ---Archipelago Theory---
General Xenophon Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:23:00 - [605] Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos So any guesses on how much a ship paint job will be? Well over 9000 if you ask me :p I really do hope they fire whomever had this brilliantly stupid idea immediately. Completely insane, stupid, and wholly horrible addition to Eve. Pretty much took a great game idea, turned it on its head, shoved it back up its own ass, and then spit it out for breakfast. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:24:00 - [606] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE if you want to have it, you have to buy it for the price. you know thats how it works in RL boy. lol And what would you know about real life? With a name like "COMEATMEBRO IMHERE" you're 15 and pay for EVE with your parent's credit card. I'm probably old enough to be your dad, boy.
Laser Purification	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:25:00 - [607] Edited by: Laser Purification on 22/06/2011 04:25:56 The other thing is I thought Capsule pilots were a small and elite group and a single Isk was meant to be serious money for normal people. Yet their quarters look divey and a pair of pants is hundreds of millions of Isk? Doesn't make any sense at all. It means that saving the universe from pirates earns you a tiny percentage of a pair of Jeans? We need a minimum wage apparently. That and I'm still wondering how my ship gets out of the dock.
Vile'er Ungrateful Vile	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:26:00 - [608] you know something went wrong when couple hours after release there is only 1 monicle for sale in jita.. and it's still there.. 1.5b for anyone that cares
Nymor	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:26:00 - [609] You know, this is a pretty good joke, CCP. I mean, unless it isn't a joke. And then it's funnier. My view is in line with pretty much everyone here. Were they actually microtransactions, and not ones that were worth more than the initial game purchase by a factor of 2.5, you'd have a potential sale out of me. The clothes are actually quite nicely made, the good, hard work put into them is quite apparent, but do you really think you will get a return on your costs at these sorts of prices? All that leads to, really is...
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:29:00 - [610] This thread delivers, I haven't laugh like this in a long time. CCP is on very low quality boosters lately. (And I'm still laughing as I type this. )

Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:30:00 - [611] Well, I guess CCP did say something about the price of vanity items should cover the cost it takes to make them... Guess I did not expect that every single player would have to pay the full coverage. While I now certainly have no plans to ever use the Aurum exchange and can live with that, I would like to note down that this is another issue where Incarna, which were supposed to increase the feel of immersion, goes and break it all by letting a pair of pants cost more than a battleship. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:30:00 - [612] Originally by: Jita Jenn Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE if you want to have it, you have to buy it for the price. you know thats how it works in RL boy. lol And what would you know about real life? With a name like "COMEATMEBRO IMHERE" you're 15 and pay for EVE with your parent's credit card. I'm probably old enough to be your dad, boy. funny since you don't know how the economy works boy, here an example. there is stuff out there in RL that is totally worthless, yet people pay large sums for it just to show it to others and because they can. now chill kiddo or your mommy will turn your computer off
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:33:00 - [613] Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 04:34:50 Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Originally by: Jita Jenn Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE if you want to have it, you have to buy it for the price. you know thats how it works in RL boy. lol And what would you know about real life? With a name like "COMEATMEBRO IMHERE" you're 15 and pay for EVE with your parent's credit card. I'm probably old enough to be your dad, boy. funny since you don't know how the economy works boy, here an example. there is stuff out there in RL that is totally worthless, yet people pay large sums for it just to show it to others and because they can. now chill kiddo or your mommy will turn your computer off You're a **ing moron. Did it ever occur to you that least IRL, you get a percieved benefit from that? Like ego boost from said status symbol, perhaps a hot brunette with her mouth wrapped around your while coked out, etc? What tangible benefit does a monocle which is roughly worth 61$ USD, does one get from eve? I'd rather take that 60 bucks, get a bunch of 1's and go to the strip joint and put it in a g string. Now if it were a buck here, a buck there for an ingame vanity item? Sure, why the not? Learn basic economics douchebag and ** off.
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:35:00 - [614] Edited by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE on 22/06/2011 04:34:57 Originally by: Chewiest Bong Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Originally by: Jita Jenn Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE if you want to have it, you have to buy it for the price. you know thats how it works in RL boy. lol And what would you know about real life? With a name like "COMEATMEBRO IMHERE" you're 15 and pay for EVE with your parent's credit card. I'm probably old enough to be your dad, boy. funny since you don't know how the economy works boy, here an example. there is stuff out there in RL that is totally worthless, yet people pay large sums for it just to show it to others and because they can. now chill kiddo or your mommy will turn your computer off You're a **ing moron. Did it ever occur to you that least IRL, you get a percieved benefit from that? Like ego boost from said status symbol, perhaps a hot brunette with her mouth wrapped around your while coked out, etc? What tangible benefit does a monocle which is roughly worth 61$ USD, does one get from eve? Learn basic economics douchebag and ** off. you mad bro
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:35:00 - [615]
Zhan Yu Amarr The Colonial Forces Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:35:00 - [616] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Originally by: Jita Jenn Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE if you want to have it, you have to buy it for the price. you know thats how it works in RL boy. lol And what would you know about real life? With a name like "COMEATMEBRO IMHERE" you're 15 and pay for EVE with your parent's credit card. I'm probably old enough to be your dad, boy. funny since you don't know how the economy works boy, here an example. there is stuff out there in RL that is totally worthless, yet people pay large sums for it just to show it to others and because they can. now chill kiddo or your mommy will turn your computer off You know, you should probably stop talking.......not really helping your case any. To the topic at hand I was actually thinking of turning in a plex for some aur and picking up a few odds and ends tonight but that changed as soon as I opened the store. Oh well, maybe later when they pull their heads out of their ends.
Qismah Signum	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:36:00 - [617] In case everyone else has missed the obvious: Converting AUR to ISK in Domain, at initial prices of 380 million per PLEX, that's 1337142857.14 ISK for a monocle. Yeah, that's right. CCP set up their exchange rate in EVE to the current market rate of PLEX such that it would cost you 1.337 billion ...for the monocle. That's right. The monocole is 1337. It's not about the price, people - it's about the joke CCP is having (at our expense)!
Ivbeen Cloned Caldari Formidable Ops	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:36:00 - [618] Originally by: Chewiest Bong You're a **ing moron. Did it ever occur to you that least IRL, you get a percieved benefit from that? Like ego boost from said status symbol, perhaps a hot brunette with her mouth wrapped around your while coked out, etc? What tangible benefit does a monocle which is roughly worth 61$ USD, does one get from eve? Learn basic economics douchebag and ** off. +1
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:39:00 - [619] Originally by: Zhan Yu You know, you should probably stop talking.......not really helping your case any. To the topic at hand I was actually thinking of turning in a plex for some aur and picking up a few odds and ends tonight but that changed as soon as I opened the store. Oh well, maybe later when they pull their heads out of their ends. i see you poor sod, if you can't afford it just whine about it on the forum right? it will work awe so mad he can't have an eyepatch in an internetspaceshipgame.
de v	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:40:00 - [620] Originally by: Jada Maroo Hahahahaha!

Ivbeen Cloned Caldari Formidable Ops	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:42:00 - [621] Originally by: Jada Maroo LMAO /thread
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:43:00 - [622] well since people can buy isk on 3rd party sites (which wont even get shut down for violating the EULA even after petitioning) it indeed does make sense that one can buy stuff for 80$ (since ppl possibly only paid 10$ for the amount of isk they need on said site) wonder if this will go as intended CCP ;) fly safe PS: the site starts with the ingame currency and ends on "bank" fyi
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:43:00 - [623] Originally by: handige harrie You knnow somethings not right when the clothes in a videogame are more expensive than the clothes you buy irl. Dead On!
UGWidowmaker Caldari freelancers inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:48:00 - [624] wow for a patch.. this is propperly the worst patch ever released in the entire life of eve.. no real content wich can do something ingame.. ccp failed they should have made incarna and buyable exspansion wich u could choose to install.. then the new players who wanna pay 40 bug or whatever could do so while playing ken and barbie.. this is fail ccp... worst update EVER. heck u cant even controle your avatar with mouse but have to use keyboard wtf is up with that.. and playing in windows mode suck now while in station that is.. it just dosent look good. damn im really down with this new greed patch.. ye this is not incarna patch this is either FAIL PATCH or GREED Patch OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned. {yellow]Signature which is prompting a login has been removed. Navigator[/yellow]
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:48:00 - [625] Originally by: handige harrie You knnow somethings not right when the clothes in a videogame are more expensive than the clothes you buy irl. Amen to that. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Fi1ippo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:51:00 - [626] deffinatly not wasting a plex to turn it into aurum lol "The man behind the mask is a Maverik Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick." From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One. Life = Lax
Paint Thinner Amarr The Grubs	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:52:00 - [627] At least the horse flies.
Leigh Hekki Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:53:00 - [628] Originally by: Benilopax Bad move CCP, and I've stood up for you in the past. This I will be not purchasing any crap and CCP you have effed up pretty large. This isn't WoW this is internet spaceships (or it used to be). Considering cancelling my account(s) and finding a new mmo
UGWidowmaker Caldari freelancers inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:55:00 - [629] also ****es me off that when ccp make this. why dont they add a matket for player made content.. wich can be bought for aurm also.. wake up ccp its 2011.. your incarna is soooooo 2009 OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned. {yellow]Signature which is prompting a login has been removed. Navigator[/yellow]
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:55:00 - [630] Lol a skirt cost as much as a Tengu? So much for immersion and realism .. space "sim", you're sure?

Makko Gray Nexus Aerospace Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:59:00 - [631] Edited by: Makko Gray on 22/06/2011 04:59:44 When I thought items of clothing were going for 1-2 aurum I thought a couple of hundred thousand isk seems reasonable - I think it might work. Personally I couldn't think of any vanity item worth as much as 12,000 aurum. I did intend to convert a plex but think I leave if for now.
Menden Kahoudi	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:02:00 - [632] <Insert nerdrage and comparing monocles to stuff. Oh, and doing math too.>
Fi1ippo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:03:00 - [633] Edited by: Fi1ippo on 22/06/2011 05:03:29 Originally by: Leigh Hekki Originally by: Benilopax Bad move CCP, and I've stood up for you in the past. This I will be not purchasing any crap and CCP you have effed up pretty large. This isn't WoW this is internet spaceships (or it used to be). Considering cancelling my account(s) and finding a new mmo Dont get emo over it, just dont buy anything with aurum. thats what im doing "The man behind the mask is a Maverik Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick." From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One. Life = Lax
Julian Assagne	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:06:00 - [634] quit eve and join Perpetuum Online, mecha eve WITHOUT ****ty overpriced Clothings!
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:08:00 - [635] Originally by: Julian Assagne quit eve and join Perpetuum Online, mecha eve WITHOUT ****ty overpriced Clothings! mmmh should get into PO again the Beta was kinda cool i thought i would stick to eve tho but it appears the game is more or less "slowly" going downhill fly safe
LIOZTH Caldari Divide By Zero Emergent Dawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:09:00 - [636] Originally by: Tobin Shalim Where's the 'like' button on the OP? This is freakin' insane. +++++++++++++1 ^Totally agree with this guy!
Shereza	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:16:00 - [637] Edited by: Shereza on 22/06/2011 05:17:36 Edited by: Shereza on 22/06/2011 05:16:59 Edited by: Shereza on 22/06/2011 05:16:15 Originally by: Henrica Gaufridus Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness At the price for the virtual goods here I can go to the next store and buy myself a new shirt and trousers FOR REAL. Not overly good ones, but hey, have you checked how the items in the Not-Exploiting-Our-Customers-At-All store look? And they've still got tons of fun graphical bugs to work out. My favorite is the "OH MY GOD MY ARM IS GOING THROUGH MY STOMACH" one when I'm sitting. Apparently, they didn't think ANYONE would want to create a character that didn't have 6-pack abs. So do fatties still have problems with shadows? Fatty Shadows Originally by: Chewiest Bong You're a **ing moron that doesn't realize PLEX has IRL monetary value and can be converted back and forth. Go yourself. How do you convert PLEXes to cash without violating the ToS/EULA? As far as I'm aware you can't. Originally by:** UGWidowmaker heck u cant even controle your avatar with mouse but have to use keyboard wtf is up with that.. Let me guess, you haven't tried clicking both the right and left mouse buttons at the same time or using WASD to move, or even bothered to look at the keyboard shortcuts in the Esc menu. Edit: I normally don't like to post those sorts of pictures but ye gods does the shoe fit.
J'J'J'Jita Ch'Ch'Ch'Chia Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:22:00 - [638] Originally by: Soryn Kael Ok, let me see if I can follow the thought process here... Pre-Incarna: Players: Clothing is ******ed.. nobody will ever buy it, nobody wants it.. eff you CCP. Incarna: Players: OMFG this clothing is too expensive and too elitist. I wouldn't ever buy it.. but if I wanted to, which I don't.. really.. I want it to be affordable.. so I can show everybody how much better I am than they are inexpensively. But I don't want it.. but I'm upset that I can't afford it. This pretty much sums it up. People complain about anything beforehand, and anything they can't access afterwards (even if they didn't want it in the first place, honest!). These clothing items are obviously meant as an isk sink for the superrich, and not for people to buy with $$. People will take the time to post and whine, but not the time to think things through.
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:22:00 - [639] Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 05:22:48 Originally by: Shereza How do you convert PLEXes to cash without violating the ToS/EULA? As far as I'm aware you can't. You are the ****ing dumbass. The PLEX you buy on the market? Someone else spent 15 dollar to get it, because he wanted to get ISK. You just gave him the ISK in exchange for that plex you just bought. Jesus Christ. You're a dumbass and you don't even know you're a dumbass. That's so sad. Go back to school son.
General Xenophon Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:24:00 - [640] Welcome to the new Eve. ------------------------------------------------ This http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12238558/a-fictionalized-account-of-the-events-that-led-to-june-21st

Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:25:00 - [641] Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 05:26:03 Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 05:25:43 Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Originally by: Soryn Kael Ok, let me see if I can follow the thought process here... Pre-Incarna: Players: Clothing is ******ed.. nobody will ever buy it, nobody wants it.. eff you CCP. Incarna: Players: OMFG this clothing is too expensive and too elitist. I wouldn't ever buy it.. but if I wanted to, which I don't.. really.. I want it to be affordable.. so I can show everybody how much better I am than they are inexpensively. But I don't want it.. but I'm upset that I can't afford it. This pretty much sums it up. People complain about anything beforehand, and anything they can't access afterwards (even if they didn't want it in the first place, honest!). These clothing items are obviously meant as an isk sink for the superrich, and not for people to buy with $$. People will take the time to post and whine, but not the time to think things through. Except that PLEX actually has IRL monetary value, and I don't think you even understand the concept of currency exchange rates. Why don't you go take a basic economics course, then come back and try to understand how it's a blatant ripoff. Goddamn, you youngsters are getting dumber and dumber.
Agent 42 Gallente RADIO RAMPAGE	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:26:00 - [642] Wow I was scammed by CCP. I converted a plex to Aur without looking at the prices (my fault I know), I mainly wanted one of those "men's field marshal coats". Nevermind the fact that I can't even find it, not sure if different station contain different items? The prices are obviously outrageous. For 35$ I expect to be able to fully deck out all three of my toons and have tons of Aur left to buy items to sell on the eve market. If I wanted to spend 35$ on a pair of pants I would buy real pants not ****ing pixels. Get real CCP.
Craven Aleros	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:28:00 - [643] If you see someone wearing one of those 12k items it tells you several things. 1) They have money 2) They are a bit dumb You can then target them for scams etc., try to extort as much money from them as possible. Every cloud _____________ I got beef...
Kewso	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:29:00 - [644] Here Save Your Money! ----------------------- A Dysfunctional Playground
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:29:00 - [645] Edited by: Katrina Cortez on 22/06/2011 05:31:42 Originally by: Julian Assagne quit eve and join Perpetuum Online, mecha eve WITHOUT ****ty overpriced Clothings! Wow... thanks for that. Downloading it now.
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:31:00 - [646] Originally by: Agent 42 Wow I was scammed by CCP. I converted a plex to Aur without looking at the prices (my fault I know), I mainly wanted one of those "men's field marshal coats". Nevermind the fact that I can't even find it, not sure if different station contain different items? The prices are obviously outrageous. For 35$ I expect to be able to fully deck out all three of my toons and have tons of Aur left to buy items to sell on the eve market. If I wanted to spend 35$ on a pair of pants I would buy real pants not ****ing pixels. Get real CCP. well if you bought a plex for real life cash, that pretty much says it all how much of a moron you are. its pretty obviouse that the items are meant for people who have toons of ig money so they can buy pelxes and convert it to aurum.
Knoppaz Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:33:00 - [647] I wanted that CNR, but all I got was this lousy shirt.. CCP, smoking the wrong stuff is bad, mkay?
Elar Kurath Caldari Gun Runners	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:37:00 - [648] Unbelievable...that they actually put this in game and even more unbelievable that CCP employees are defending it in game. The prices are an insult and show a remarkable lack of respect for your player base.
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:38:00 - [649] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Originally by: Agent 42 Wow I was scammed by CCP. I converted a plex to Aur without looking at the prices (my fault I know), I mainly wanted one of those "men's field marshal coats". Nevermind the fact that I can't even find it, not sure if different station contain different items? The prices are obviously outrageous. For 35$ I expect to be able to fully deck out all three of my toons and have tons of Aur left to buy items to sell on the eve market. If I wanted to spend 35$ on a pair of pants I would buy real pants not **ing pixels. Get real CCP. well if you bought a plex for real life cash, that pretty much says it all how much of a moron you are. its pretty obviouse that the items are meant for people who have toons of ig money so they can buy pelxes and convert it to aurum. Oh my GOD. YOU ARE SOO STUPID IT MAKES MY GODDAMN HEAD HURT. IN ORDER TO GET A PLEX, A PLAYER HAS TO BUY IT FROM CCP FOR 15 DOLLARS. THEY TURN AROUND AND PUT THAT PLEX ON THE MARKET TO GET IN GAME MONEY (ISK) IN EXCHANGE FOR IT. The exchange rate is like 1 PLEX for 3600 AUR. For ONE PLEX, YOU GET ONE ARTICLE OF CLOTHING LIKE A ING SOCK. THE MONOCLE IS ABOUT 12K AUR WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO CONVERT 4-5 PLEXES TO GET IT. ADD MORE ITEMS IN THERE DOWN THE LINE AT THE SAME INFLATED RATE, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS BLATANT NICKEL AND DIMING? Every single one of those PLEX on the market has been bought by someone, using REAL DOLLARS, YOU ING DUMB **. Sure, you may have purchased that PLEX using in game money, but someone paid IRL money for that plex at some point and CCP gets that money. JESUS DILDO STABBING CHRIST.
Shereza	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:39:00 - [650] Edited by: Shereza on 22/06/2011 05:40:47 Originally by: Chewiest Bong You are the **ing dumbass. The PLEX you buy on the market? Someone else spent 15 dollar to get it, because he wanted to get ISK. You just gave him the ISK in exchange for that plex you just bought. Jesus Christ. You're a dumbass and you don't even know you're a dumbass. That's so sad. Go back to school son. Again, how do you convert PLEXes purchased in-game to cash? Everything I've read on the subject indicates that buying and selling of in-game items/characters/accounts for cash (from other players at least with PlEXes being the sole CCP-based exception) is a violation of the ToS/EULA. I thought it was a pretty simple question. You claim that PLEXes have monetary worth and can be converted back and forth and I ask, "So how do players "legally" convert one back to RL money?" The PLEX<->Cash conversion does need to go both ways for it to be "back and forth" after all. You respond, "You dumbass, someone else spent cash on it so that's how you convert the PLEX you bought to cash." I'm just not seeing how that converts the PLEX bask to isk. It makes no logical sense that because person B spends isk on a PLEX which person A spent cash on that either of them gets any cash out of the deal. Still, if you want to toss out insults to people asking legitimate questions while sounding like an idiot go for it, that's your prerogative and this thread is all the more humorous for it. Edit: Originally by:** Chewiest Bong The exchange rate is like 1 PLEX for 3600 AUR. It's 3500 Aurum. I think you're nerdraging so hard you're either typing badly or losing your ability to comprehend numbers. Either way perhaps you should take a nice hot bath and read a book.

Scarlet des Loupes Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:41:00 - [651] Edited by: Scarlet des Loupes on 22/06/2011 05:41:52 Why these prices .. they may sell 10 for $80 instead of 1000 if the price was $8. Not really smart. This greed is counterproductive.
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:43:00 - [652] Originally by: Chewiest Bong Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Originally by: Agent 42 Wow I was scammed by CCP. I converted a plex to Aur without looking at the prices (my fault I know), I mainly wanted one of those "men's field marshal coats". Nevermind the fact that I can't even find it, not sure if different station contain different items? The prices are obviously outrageous. For 35$ I expect to be able to fully deck out all three of my toons and have tons of Aur left to buy items to sell on the eve market. If I wanted to spend 35$ on a pair of pants I would buy real pants not **ing pixels. Get real CCP. well if you bought a plex for real life cash, that pretty much says it all how much of a moron you are. its pretty obviouse that the items are meant for people who have toons of ig money so they can buy pelxes and convert it to aurum. Oh my GOD. YOU ARE SOO STUPID IT MAKES MY GODDAMN HEAD HURT. IN ORDER TO GET A PLEX, A PLAYER HAS TO BUY IT FROM CCP FOR 15 DOLLARS. THEY TURN AROUND AND PUT THAT PLEX ON THE MARKET TO GET IN GAME MONEY (ISK) IN EXCHANGE FOR IT. The exchange rate is like 1 PLEX for 3600 AUR. For ONE PLEX, YOU GET ONE ARTICLE OF CLOTHING LIKE A ING SOCK. THE MONOCLE IS ABOUT 12K AUR WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO CONVERT 4-5 PLEXES TO GET IT. ADD MORE ITEMS IN THERE DOWN THE LINE AT THE SAME INFLATED RATE, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS BLATANT NICKEL AND DIMING? Every single one of those PLEX on the market has been bought by someone, using REAL DOLLARS, YOU ING DUMB **. Sure, you may have purchased that PLEX using in game money, but someone paid IRL money for that plex at some point and CCP gets that money. JESUS DILDO STABBING CHRIST. you mad bro. i see you are one of those morons that bought a plex for RL cash, just to buy some fancy eyepatch /tshirt/whatever for your Avatar. nerd rage is the best rage tbh keep it coming
Flamespar	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:43:00 - [653] Well ... Players and the CSM did say that microtransactions should only be for optional vanity items.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:44:00 - [654] I have to say that I'm enjoying the "SCREW THESE PRICES FOR STUFF THAT I LOUDLY TOLD EVERYONE I WASN'T GOING TO BUY ANYWAY" tears. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Demon Azrakel Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:44:00 - [655] Let me get this straight... CCP remodels and reskins 1 ship per year (hell, we would take high res textures) CCP creates 2 ships per year and maybe 3 skins between them. Add 1 more skin when they **** with a good skin and make it camouflage (Hello Nightmare, Navy Megathron) Most of us play internet spaceships and Captains Quarters (thus far Incarna, and we know CCP and their ability to consistently iterate on old concepts ) gets old after five minutes... and CCP is paying for fashion designers in New York and Reykjavik to have (multiple) new models and textures for clothes for this introduced weekly. The ****? Yay new turrets, but as far as I can tell, this entire expansion was to introduce microtransactions, something which was done more poorly than I could have possibly imagined. There is no content to this expansion, none whatsoever. What happened to expansions like those that added capitals, added t2 equipment, added 2500 systems and t3 ships (actually, about other sized t3 ships which were expected in other iterations on the concept...and the fifth subsystem...), any iterations on and improving faction warfare. People keep calling this a setup for something great, interactive, and immersive (is that a word? Spellcheck does not seem to think so), but CCP has often set up things to be great, then said fatal flaws would be fixed later (faction warfare much). Oh, and balance and supercaps, how about that? Exactly how much of the money players spend on EVE go into developing EVE, compared to WoD and Dust anyway? CCP and the direction they seem to be taking honestly disgusts me.
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:45:00 - [656] Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 05:46:04 Originally by: Shereza Originally by: Chewiest Bong You are the ****ing dumbass. The PLEX you buy on the market? Someone else spent 15 dollar to get it, because he wanted to get ISK. You just gave him the ISK in exchange for that plex you just bought. Jesus Christ. You're a dumbass and you don't even know you're a dumbass. That's so sad. Go back to school son. Again, how do you convert PLEXes purchased in-game to cash? Everything I've read on the subject indicates that buying and selling of in-game items/characters/accounts for cash (from other players at least with PlEXes being the sole CCP-based exception) is a violation of the ToS/EULA. I thought it was a pretty simple question. You claim that PLEXes have monetary worth and can be converted back and forth and I ask, "So how do players "legally" convert one back to RL money?" The PLEX<->Cash conversion does need to go both ways for it to be "back and forth" after all. You respond, "You dumbass, someone else spent cash on it so that's how you convert the PLEX you bought to cash." I'm just not seeing how that converts the PLEX bask to isk. It makes no logical sense that because person B spends isk on a PLEX which person A spent cash on that either of them gets any cash out of the deal. Still, if you want to toss out insults to people asking legitimate questions while sounding like an idiot go for it, that's your prerogative and this thread is all the more humorous for it. That's sorta the point. Ok, I misunderstood. 1 PLEX = 15 USD = 3500 AUR = 380mil ISK Roughly. You have items that are obscenely overpriced, and if the exchange rate is 3600 AUR for one PLEX, that's 15 dollars OR 380-400 mil ISK. When I say it has monetary value, I mean that just because you buy a PLEX using ISK, someone along the line somewhere, paid CCP 15 dollars for that PLEX. Essentially, CCP is insulting its player base by making the vanity items obscenely overpriced and it is probably very likely they will add other things besides that to the NEX in the future -- like ship skins, custom skin colors, vanity ships that may or may not break the game. Given the trend, I'm not too confident. For instance, the monocle is 12k AUR which roughly requires 4-5 PLEXes, break that down it's about 61 USD or so. Sorry I flipped my lid, it's just that so many people just don't seem to understand that concept and I guess I completely misunderstood what you were asking.
Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:48:00 - [657] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Originally by: Chewiest Bong Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Originally by: Agent 42 Wow I was scammed by CCP. I converted a plex to Aur without looking at the prices (my fault I know), I mainly wanted one of those "men's field marshal coats". Nevermind the fact that I can't even find it, not sure if different station contain different items? The prices are obviously outrageous. For 35$ I expect to be able to fully deck out all three of my toons and have tons of Aur left to buy items to sell on the eve market. If I wanted to spend 35$ on a pair of pants I would buy real pants not **ing pixels. Get real CCP. well if you bought a plex for real life cash, that pretty much says it all how much of a moron you are. its pretty obviouse that the items are meant for people who have toons of ig money so they can buy pelxes and convert it to aurum. Oh my GOD. YOU ARE SOO STUPID IT MAKES MY GODDAMN HEAD HURT. IN ORDER TO GET A PLEX, A PLAYER HAS TO BUY IT FROM CCP FOR 15 DOLLARS. THEY TURN AROUND AND PUT THAT PLEX ON THE MARKET TO GET IN GAME MONEY (ISK) IN EXCHANGE FOR IT. The exchange rate is like 1 PLEX for 3600 AUR. For ONE PLEX, YOU GET ONE ARTICLE OF CLOTHING LIKE A ING SOCK. THE MONOCLE IS ABOUT 12K AUR WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO CONVERT 4-5 PLEXES TO GET IT. ADD MORE ITEMS IN THERE DOWN THE LINE AT THE SAME INFLATED RATE, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS BLATANT NICKEL AND DIMING? Every single one of those PLEX on the market has been bought by someone, using REAL DOLLARS, YOU ING DUMB . Sure, you may have purchased that PLEX using in game money, but someone paid IRL money for that plex at some point and CCP gets that money. JESUS DILDO STABBING CHRIST. you mad bro. i see you are one of those morons that bought a plex for RL cash, just to buy some fancy eyepatch /tshirt/whatever for your Avatar. nerd rage is the best rage tbh keep it coming No, because I'm not a ing moron. Furthermore, I canceled all 3 of my accounts. Why the would I spend IRL dollars for a **ing virtual shirt when I can buy 2-3 of them IRL for the same price?
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:49:00 - [658] Originally by: Chewiest Bong No, because I'm not a **ing moron. Furthermore, I canceled all 3 of my accounts. Why the would I spend IRL dollars for a **ing virtual shirt when I can buy 2-3 of them IRL for the same price? can you sent me your stuff and isk please? thanks in advance.
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:50:00 - [659] Originally by: Chewiest Bong No, because I'm not a **ing moron. Furthermore, I canceled all 3 of my accounts. Why the would I spend IRL dollars for a **ing virtual shirt when I can buy 2-3 of them IRL for the same price? Who obligates you to do so?
Admiral Tolwyn	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:51:00 - [660] Would be interessting if a player waering one of this items will drop this item when I pod kill him ;)

Chewiest Bong	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:51:00 - [661] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Originally by: Chewiest Bong No, because I'm not a **ing moron. Furthermore, I canceled all 3 of my accounts. Why the would I spend IRL dollars for a ing virtual shirt when I can buy 2-3 of them IRL for the same price? can you sent me your stuff and isk please? thanks in advance. No, because I don't wish to reward poor decision making / design decisions of CCP. No one is getting my , because I won't let it go back into the economy. Make your own ISK ***.
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:53:00 - [662] Originally by: Chewiest Bong Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Originally by: Chewiest Bong No, because I'm not a **ing moron. Furthermore, I canceled all 3 of my accounts. Why the would I spend IRL dollars for a ing virtual shirt when I can buy 2-3 of them IRL for the same price? can you sent me your stuff and isk please? thanks in advance. No, because I don't wish to reward poor decision making / design decisions of CCP. No one is getting my , because I won't let it go back into the economy. Make your own ISK ***. awe come on, i will hoard it so i can buy me a monocole, which will be the SO AWESOME!
Shereza	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:55:00 - [663] Edited by: Shereza on 22/06/2011 05:55:27 Originally by: Chewiest Bong The point is that even if you spend ISK to get a plex to convert to AUR, someone along the line somewhere paid CCP that 15 dollars and they're pocketing money at your expense -- frankly, it's insulting. I just have CCP charge my card directly and that's the end of it. Right, but my issue goes back to the "back and forth" comment which, to me, implied back and forth transactions for the actual cash value, not the derived cash value. I was curious if someone had found a legal method of converting isk to cash since I live on a fixed income with low operating costs so earning an extra $30-45/month would be nice. Edit: If that's not the case and you either misspoke or tried to emphasize a different aspect then so be it, I was just trying to clear it up.
Frodrich Adoudel	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:55:00 - [664] I just cancelled my two aco****s. I never bought a plex, had direct game time subscriptions. I suspect that this is what happened: 1) PLEX came out. 2) PLEX sold like crazy. 3) CCP raked in the dough. 4) PLEX sold like crazy. 5) Some CCP accountant looked at the company growth stats and said "woo hoo!" 6) PLEX sold like crazy. 7) They hired a ton of new people and started working on more projects. 8) PLEX stopped selling like crazy. In fact, subscriptions are down because people flooded the market with plex. 9) CCP is still spending like crazy because the asshat accountants didnt think that the in-game economy could impact CCP IRL economy. 10) PLEX still arent selling, because a) gold farmers and b) tons of plex in game to buy so why pay real money? 11) CCP hasnt cut back on spending, in fact, because of the asshat accountant, they are still spending like their income is still at step 4 of this list. 12) CCP asshat accountant realized that he screwed up, and that the original PLEX surge was temporary, and that it was not a permanent increase in company income. But the company, like all corporate structures, is not designed to shrink. 13) They come up with fancy clothing for IRL money, create a semi-plausible link to the game merket, and hope that people buy AUR like they did with PLEX. 14) The reality sets in, CCP has to fire half its dust dev team in 6-18 months. 15) Membership keeps shrinking because other companies have finally gotten off their asses and created decent sci-fi mmorpg games. 16) CCP dies.
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:56:00 - [665] Edited by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE on 22/06/2011 05:56:42 Originally by: Frodrich Adoudel I just cancelled my two aco****s. I never bought a plex, had direct game time subscriptions. I suspect that this is what happened: 1) PLEX came out. 2) PLEX sold like crazy. 3) CCP raked in the dough. 4) PLEX sold like crazy. 5) Some CCP accountant looked at the company growth stats and said "woo hoo!" 6) PLEX sold like crazy. 7) They hired a ton of new people and started working on more projects. 8) PLEX stopped selling like crazy. In fact, subscriptions are down because people flooded the market with plex. 9) CCP is still spending like crazy because the asshat accountants didnt think that the in-game economy could impact CCP IRL economy. 10) PLEX still arent selling, because a) gold farmers and b) tons of plex in game to buy so why pay real money? 11) CCP hasnt cut back on spending, in fact, because of the asshat accountant, they are still spending like their income is still at step 4 of this list. 12) CCP asshat accountant realized that he screwed up, and that the original PLEX surge was temporary, and that it was not a permanent increase in company income. But the company, like all corporate structures, is not designed to shrink. 13) They come up with fancy clothing for IRL money, create a semi-plausible link to the game merket, and hope that people buy AUR like they did with PLEX. 14) The reality sets in, CCP has to fire half its dust dev team in 6-18 months. 15) Membership keeps shrinking because other companies have finally gotten off their asses and created decent sci-fi mmorpg games. 16) CCP dies. please send me all your stuff and isk thanks in advance
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:59:00 - [666] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE please send me all your stuff and isk thanks in advance Please send me your joke book, cause it's full of originals. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:00:00 - [667] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE please send me all your stuff and isk thanks in advance Please send me your joke book, cause it's full of originals. what jokes i just ask for stuff? do you have downs?
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:01:00 - [668] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE what jokes i just ask for stuff? do you have downs? No Why? Do you need friends at your level? My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:04:00 - [669] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE what jokes i just ask for stuff? do you have downs? No Why? Do you need friends at your level? oh don't lie to me boy, im so sorry for you it is a terrible disease. can i have your stuff and isk?
Fon Revedhort Monks of War DarkSide.	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:05:00 - [670] I really lol'ed when a corpmate quoted me those prices. That's a delayed April fool I guess. --- Originally by: CCP Greyscale Is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?

Korah Arnelle	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:07:00 - [671] Originally by: Seleene NO, the final prices of this stuff was NOT discussed with the CSM. When we asked, they were "still researching that" and "no final decisions" had been made. Why should they have to ask you guys for an MT analysis when the MT industry is about a decade old? They have a regular revenue stream for both coding development and price point analysis. They don't need your input on the final price if they actually take the time to hire experts from their budget. I'm sorry for being terse, it just smacks me of complete amateurish drivel on their part. I'm no expert on MT, but I can quite a bit from my experience of playing in many MT games (from Asian cashshop MMOs to Secondlife and IMVU). And I can say they never hired a single soul to give them prices or how to decide the MT ratios. Seriously, CCP, get their heads out of unnamed orifices and hire expertise if you have none. >_>
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:07:00 - [672] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE oh don't lie to me boy, im so sorry for you it is a terrible disease. can i have your stuff and isk? I'm sorry all the short bus kids beat you up when you were in high school. But that's not an excuse to not know the difference between a disease and a genetic abnormality. But considering the source, it is understandable. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Lelob	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:08:00 - [673] Edited by: Lelob on 22/06/2011 06:08:52 Apparently CCP's plan for stabilizing PLEX will be to push the price to 1/2 a bil with monocles. Lovely
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:09:00 - [674] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE oh don't lie to me boy, im so sorry for you it is a terrible disease. can i have your stuff and isk? I'm sorry all the short bus kids beat you up when you were in high school. But that's not an excuse to not know the difference between a disease and a genetic abnormality. But considering the source, it is understandable. yea im sorry i don't know so much about your genetic abnormality. How do you life with it?
Will Cenn	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:10:00 - [675] Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 06:12:13 Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 06:10:50 Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 06:10:25 Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE what jokes i just ask for stuff? do you have downs? No Why? Do you need friends at your level? Lol, Well done sir, quality. The funniest thing is he keeps coming back for more. Ok, I can take it if it was an accident. I can also take it if it was an 'accident'. But I can not bend over for these prices. l/4 of the price would still be extortionate. I like the concept, I like getting my character to look just right and I don't think a game should be limited (only inspired) by it's genre. I have no problem with microtransactions. Those who want more can pay CCP for their time and effort, it is the basis of our capitalist society. It is fair. What is not fair is paying around 70 dollars my price, almost twice the price I can get some new release ENTIRE games for, for a monocle. There is nothing micro about these transactions at all.
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:11:00 - [676] If the AU prices stay the same, it should actually exert a downward pressure on PLEX prices, as people who had stockpiled dump them when no one is buying them to get items with. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:11:00 - [677] Don't go mad about it, guys. I was thinking about buying an item or two here and there, but with those prices - not a chance. Don't buy a thing and you'll see how the prices will go down.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:12:00 - [678] Apparently this bears some repeating: Seriously, CCP Bizdev have you guys not learned your lesson yet? I'll spell it out for you in short 1-syllable words, real simple, just for you: DOES YOUR GREAT IDEA DIRECTLY DO STUFF TO EVE PLAYERS? RUN YOUR GREAT IDEA PAST THE CSM. IF THEY SAY THAT THERE WILL BE RAGE THEN IT COULD BE THAT YOUR IDEA IS VERY BAD AND YOU SHOULD FIX IT. THE CSM WILL HELP YOU FIX YOUR BAD IDEA. THEN YOUR BAD IDEA WILL BE LESS BAD OR IT MIGHT EVEN BE GOOD WHO KNOWS? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:12:00 - [679] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE yea im sorry i don't know so much about your genetic abnormality. How do you life with it? Ya know, if you're going to try and do the turn-speak thing, you gotta get in there with a good angle, try again. This time let's see if you can graduate from the play ground and give us all a real insight into your brilliance. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:14:00 - [680] Originally by: Will Cenn The funniest thing is he keeps coming back for more. His parents forgot the pork chop and the dog isn't home. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ

Uglavitch Nefrex Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:17:00 - [681] Edited by: Uglavitch Nefrex on 22/06/2011 06:17:33 Just logged in to find the most hideous prices on the items in the store. Good luck with your minimal sales, and get a grip!
Tron Flux	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:17:00 - [682] I guess I'm one of the few who are not completely outraged. And it's not because I have unlimited amounts of real life money or ISK. I do think it's an attemp to balance things. Before incursion, I had to work pretty hard to make enough isk in a month to plex a single toon. Get in the right fleet, and I can plex two in a weekend. Keep in mind that there are players to whom billions of isk are actually microtransactions. It's just a matter of perspective. I bet the Hydra Reloaded team is swimming in bling, and I don't think it's unreasonable to demand high prices for new products. Why would you want the monocle if everyone already has it. The prices create the demand. I'd bet all this stuff is selling like wildfire. I mean, the demand is obviously there. All the tears in this thread demonstrate that. But not everyone gets to have the pricey stuff. So what? I sure as heck can't afford a single thing up for sale. But I want it. Maybe I'll play a bit more so I can afford to play for free and buy what's going to probably be more expensive plex in the long run. But this is really a balancing act for ccp. The ideal situation is to have the maximum number of people paying to play (plexing your toon is paying, btw. someone paid for CCP for that plex) with the minimum number of people online at any given time, so long as you don't dip below an attractive universe population threshold. Incursion made it to easy to make too much isk too fast, and universe pop dropped. That's my guess, anyway. This is an attempt to rebalance that as much as it is to get rid of some of the overabundant plex out of the system. There is no way ccp can allow plex to get to commodity level prices. The economic impact is that a) the price of plex will go up as they get spent by the extremely wealthy, b) prices in the noble market will go down over time. This isn't ultimately a move against the poor. This is a vanity tax on the rich because the early adopters will not be able to sell their stuff at the price they invested. So at least in that sense, it's an isk sink. And c) at least for the time being ccp will have more players online working longer to play for free. The economics of the situation are fairly complex, but I can't really fault the guys in charge for trying to maintain a balance. Or maybe I'm completely wrong. That happens too sometimes. ~Tron Flux
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:17:00 - [683] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE yea im sorry i don't know so much about your genetic abnormality. How do you life with it? Ya know, if you're going to try and do the turn-speak thing, you gotta get in there with a good angle, try again. This time let's see if you can graduate from the play ground and give us all a real insight into your brilliance. If you don't want to talk about your miserable life its totally ok. You are a Special kid!
jowming	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:18:00 - [684] wow i was running a bunch of missions and stuff to get a plex this week for this crap. now i will just stick it on my account for another 30 day sub and save me 15 dollars. this is crazy the same thing happened to global agenda.that game sucked but still micro or macro transactions ruin games. used to be if there was a bug you got a extra map or something for the devolopers screw up now look what you get nothing. man i feel old thinking about all the free stuff game devolopers used to give us was nice and made me want to buy games from them, and get my freinds to buy there games. now with the way the game industry is going i have not gotten a game in about 6 months. and i dont think i even will bother to get a game for the next few years if they dont stop all this microtransaction crap and item shops. look at dragon age and all those other games everyone is *****ing out now days.
Si'Andregal Grungolash	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:19:00 - [685] CCP do you have NO sense of value?
Ketria Saine Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:19:00 - [686] I am a new player. Once the NEX was in place I was going to buy a couple of PLEX with úGBP and convert them to AUR to spend there. Now I have seen the prices of items, I am not going to bother. I am very disappointed in CCP's apparent need to price these items at a level that puts them out of reach of many players who do not have the ISK to buy PLEX in-game, let alone want to spend them. Will we end up with a two-tier EVE? The haves and have-nots? I hope not. CCP needs to either adjust the ISK/AUR exchange rate, or drastically lower the NEX prices. I would like to think this may happen once more items are available, but I'm not holding my breath. "Give me monocles or give me death!"? At the moment, I'll take death, thanks.
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:21:00 - [687] Originally by: Tron Flux I guess I'm one of the few who are not completely outraged. And it's not because I have unlimited amounts of real life money or ISK. I do think it's an attemp to balance things. Before incursion, I had to work pretty hard to make enough isk in a month to plex a single toon. Get in the right fleet, and I can plex two in a weekend. Keep in mind that there are players to whom billions of isk are actually microtransactions. It's just a matter of perspective. I bet the Hydra Reloaded team is swimming in bling, and I don't think it's unreasonable to demand high prices for new products. Why would you want the monocle if everyone already has it. The prices create the demand. I'd bet all this stuff is selling like wildfire. I mean, the demand is obviously there. All the tears in this thread demonstrate that. But not everyone gets to have the pricey stuff. So what? I sure as heck can't afford a single thing up for sale. But I want it. Maybe I'll play a bit more so I can afford to play for free and buy what's going to probably be more expensive plex in the long run. But this is really a balancing act for ccp. The ideal situation is to have the maximum number of people paying to play (plexing your toon is paying, btw. someone paid for CCP for that plex) with the minimum number of people online at any given time, so long as you don't dip below an attractive universe population threshold. Incursion made it to easy to make too much isk too fast, and universe pop dropped. That's my guess, anyway. This is an attempt to rebalance that as much as it is to get rid of some of the overabundant plex out of the system. There is no way ccp can allow plex to get to commodity level prices. The economic impact is that a) the price of plex will go up as they get spent by the extremely wealthy, b) prices in the noble market will go down over time. This isn't ultimately a move against the poor. This is a vanity tax on the rich because the early adopters will not be able to sell their stuff at the price they invested. So at least in that sense, it's an isk sink. And c) at least for the time being ccp will have more players online working longer to play for free. The economics of the situation are fairly complex, but I can't really fault the guys in charge for trying to maintain a balance. Or maybe I'm completely wrong. That happens too sometimes. ~Tron Flux I don't think all - perhaps not even a majority - of the players who are unhappy with this are ones who are saying that it's too expensive because they can't afford it. A lot of us, I believe, just feels it's too expensive full stop. It's too expensive for players to be happy with it, and more crucially it may be too expensive for CCP to make much money off of it. I have plenty of ISK, but it's very unlikely I will be buying many vanity items for 1.4B isk when there are far more useful things I could do with that money - even in the realm of buying expensive things to show off. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:21:00 - [688] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE If you don't want to talk about your miserable life its totally ok. You are a Special kid! Nope nope, you've just not got the knack for it I guess. Just repeating the same banal idea over and over again doesn't get you anywhere, in fact, in this case, just serves reinforce my first comment to you about how dreadfully unoriginal you are. Try again. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:25:00 - [689] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE If you don't want to talk about your miserable life its totally ok. You are a Special kid! Nope nope, you've just not got the knack for it I guess. Just repeating the same banal idea over and over again doesn't get you anywhere, in fact, in this case, just serves reinforce my first comment to you about how dreadfully unoriginal you are. Try again. Don't deny your heritage, blame your parents for inbreding. One day you will be loved (maybe by some men in an underground toilet), so keep up the posting kid.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:26:00 - [690] Originally by: Ketria Saine I am a new player. Once the NEX was in place I was going to buy a couple of PLEX with úGBP and convert them to AUR to spend there. Now I have seen the prices of items, I am not going to bother. I am very disappointed in CCP's apparent need to price these items at a level that puts them out of reach of many players who do not have the ISK to buy PLEX in-game, let alone want to spend them. Will we end up with a two-tier EVE? The haves and have-nots? I hope not. CCP needs to either adjust the ISK/AUR exchange rate, or drastically lower the NEX prices. I would like to think this may happen once more items are available, but I'm not holding my breath. "Give me monocles or give me death!"? At the moment, I'll take death, thanks. As long as those are boots, monocles and stripper poles that divide between havs and have nots I couldn't care less. But you know what is coming - special ships, special ammo, special boosters and special modules. I'm sure BizDev team already has them in plans. When that happens - bye bye Eve. Who would like to play a P2Win game?

Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:28:00 - [691] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Don't deny your heritage, blame your parents for inbreding. One day you will be loved (maybe by some men in an underground toilet), so keep up the posting kid. How do you know there are men in some nasty stanky ol underground toilet, do you frequent those sorts of places often? My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:30:00 - [692] Originally by: Estephania As long as those are boots, monocles and stripper poles that divide between havs and have nots I couldn't care less. But you know what is coming - special ships, special ammo, special boosters and special modules. I'm sure BizDev team already has them in plans. When that happens - bye bye Eve. Who would like to play a P2Win game? Sadly likely. There's already been an assembly hall thread about special stuff. Sooner or later a few clowns that buy this stuff will loose it and make the argument that it should give some special thing considering how much it costs compared to some other thing, and CCP will have their 'player wanted' justification for it. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Lidia Prince Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:34:00 - [693] I'm pretty much freaked out by those prices. Pay $20 for one piece of dress? I mean, I understand that it's a permanent item, it's not like a ship that you can loose anywhere, it supposed to cost some money, but still, what the hell? One skirt cost more than two my Meta-4 fitted Abaddons? HOW? There's some people out there that might buy pricy dresses just to look fancy, but what's the point, you can't show it anywhere, there's no station walking yet. And will any EVE player spend 1.5bil for a monocle, while he can spend such money to fit couple ships and go solo PvP in low/null? Just... why?
Midnight Hope Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:34:00 - [694] CCP are you freaking insane!! Obviously you missed the idea of MICRO-transactions! What's micro in a 50$ ugly monocle?!! (Not that the rest of the crap is any better...or cheaper) I was expecting on throwing away a few bucks here and there every now and then. With these prices there's no way! I'd rather use PLEX to play 30 more days. I still can't understand how this makes ANY sense business wise. You obviously are out of touch with your player base. Even an app in the apple store costs you less than 5$ (most of them between $1 or $2).
Tron Flux	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:36:00 - [695] @silver night Too expensive (full stop) in what context? If you accept it as a balancing mechanism, then the high price is necessary to have a balancing effect. I read 22 pages of this thread and what I mostly see in between the full stops is, "I can't afford it without spending RL money." I'd say that those people (myself included) aren't the target market because those aren't the people unbalancing the game.
Agent 42 Gallente RADIO RAMPAGE	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:37:00 - [696] Quote: well if you bought a plex for real life cash, that pretty much says it all how much of a moron you are. its pretty obvious that the items are meant for people who have toons of i money so they can buy pelxes and convert it to aurum. As I said, I expected to get most of my isk back by reselling items I purchase from the remaining Aur I would have left. I usually pay for my accounts with isk but lately I've been falling behind so I'm buying plexes to catch up. It wasn't dumb, just a huge oversight I was going too fast, I didn't take the time to look at the prices, I just assumed they would be the same as they were on the test server or at least reasonable. It's just like an ingame scam, no one would pay 450 mil for a t1 Megathron but some people do get caught because they're too fast. I fully expect CCP to change the prices but they better make the items cost less Aur rather than give more Aur per plex or I'll be ****ed.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:37:00 - [697] I wonder what the infamous stripper pole is going to cost? 100k aurum? -- Originally by: CCP Elais It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
Naburi NasNaburi Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:39:00 - [698] So many choices.... http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/SKIRT.jpg
Nery Nebu Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:39:00 - [699] LOL CCP went Insane with these prices!
Aelita Minmatar CHON THE R0NIN	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:39:00 - [700] Edited by: Aelita on 22/06/2011 06:40:12 CCP lost natural sense. Virtual items cost more then stuff in real life? Do you think I will go naked out on street just to buy virtual items in game? Dress in shop cost less than 50$ here in my country so... If CCP is so poor company and need money so badly, they just could ask me for small donation and I would will decide to give it + my monthly subscription for 5 accounts. But what Incarna bring in start to knock my mind and I would rething if I would need to play EVE at all and use subs money for something else.

couriertrading alt	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:39:00 - [701] WOW... This is bad CCP, not bad for us because we dont have to buy this C**p but bad for you when a lot of people unsub due to massive greed on your part. So, anyone else looking forward to SWTOR?
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:40:00 - [702] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Don't deny your heritage, blame your parents for inbreding. One day you will be loved (maybe by some men in an underground toilet), so keep up the posting kid. How do you know there are men in some nasty stanky ol underground toilet, do you frequent those sorts of places often? nana don't deny it. First your Heritage and now your work. But i can see why you are upset, since you served so many men untill you could afford a plex (to convert it to aurum) and buy yourself a shiny monocol. Sadly the price is too high, so now you need to work even HARDER till you can get one.
Ulmega	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:40:00 - [703] this is plain stupid, hell in other games when I drop down 12 bucks I get a whole new ship with a nice special trick, in an other game when I drop 30 I get a nice big fat tank that makes everyone cry and here I do not even get something that remotely matters. Guess they made it easy on my wallet, means new PC faster I suppose, still pricing is just plain stupid and no worth the money even remotely.
Stignos	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:42:00 - [704] Never using the Aurum for those prizes, and if DUST 514 is going to have a simmilar rating system then I wont be playing that either. This is rather insulting.
Spacing Cowboy Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:43:00 - [705] Dear ccp... If you charge 15 euro for a pants... Wth will you charge for a ship logo or ship paintjob? 2000 euro's ??? Ccp im most willing to pay for shiny stuff, However.... With these prices, i at least expect a post package with some ana-lube to .... Make the price better to.. Take...
Natalia Kovac Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:45:00 - [706] Hey CCP how much aurum would I have to pay for a boob job on my character? I want GG cups
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:47:00 - [707] Some example for microtransactions in other games I play/used to play: WoW (EU): Celestial Steed: 20 Ç LoL (EU): any legendary skin: 1,820 RP ~ 9.7-10.8 Ç WoT (US): Lowe tank: 7,500 gold ~ 30-41$ except for the monocle CCP's pricing does not seem to be out of line for microtransactions...
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:49:00 - [708] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE nana don't deny it. First your Heritage and now your work. But i can see why you are upset, since you served so many men untill you could afford a plex (to convert it to aurum) and buy yourself a shiny monocol. Sadly the price is too high, so now you need to work even HARDER till you can get one. Fortunately for me, I'm not stupid enough to buy any of this MT crap. However since you seem to be impressed with it, we'll all be looking forward to your new monocle portrait. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Agent 42 Gallente RADIO RAMPAGE	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:49:00 - [709] Edited by: Agent 42 on 22/06/2011 06:50:07 Quote: Hey CCP how much aurum would I have to pay for a boob job on my character? I want GG cups Very Happy Sorry CCP hasn't yet worked out how to convert our souls to Aur.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:49:00 - [710] Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 06:50:55 Originally by: Tron Flux I read 22 pages of this thread and what I mostly see in between the full stops is, "I can't afford it without spending RL money." I'd say that those people (myself included) aren't the target market because those aren't the people unbalancing the game. The assumption here is that, since it's an MT shop, it's there for CCP to make money. The problem is that, with the current prices, it will utterly fail to serve that purpose because no-one will buy additional PLEX to feed into the ship. The PLEX market will remain completely the same once the patch-day speculation dies down. As someone said in one of these threads (can't keep track any more): they've managed to price themselves out of their own monopoly ù they are the only vendor in the market, and they've made sure people won't choose that vendor. If they want to make money off of it, they need volume and velocity, not high price and ε sales. By setting the AUR price that high, and by making sure that ù to compensate ù the stuff is hard to lose, they've killed both the primary demand and any chance of a secondary market. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Token Afrodude Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:50:00 - [711] Originally by: Julian Assagne quit eve and join Perpetuum Online, mecha eve WITHOUT ****ty overpriced Clothings! BIG +1. It's a real pity CCP isn't affiliated with Apple, or their manufacturer Foxconn from China. If they released such a fail patch, they'd all be on the roof flinging themselves off in Shame
Mithfindel Zenko Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:51:00 - [712] The flow of wealth related to PLEX in Incarna: (1) Someone wanting ISK buys a PLEX, sells on the market. (2a) Player wanting to play but can't afford it buys the PLEX, gets game time. (End of story.) (2b) Player wanting to show off buys PLEX, converts to e-gold. (3) E-gold is used to buy overpriced pixels. It is a minor PLEX sink designed to be fueled by those with too much ingame ISK. Some people will, no doubt, use their real life wallets for this, but no one in their right minds is going to use anything but ISK to get the PLEX to be converted to e-gold. So people not wanting microtransactions (RL money to game stuff) got what they wanted, mostly. PLEX is an interesting item, because it has no ingame use. It simply exists as a way for people to trade game time, and now "other services" in a simple way using the ingame market. (The only ingame function it has is to be blown up while being transported from station to station.) The sole PLEX faucet is people who want to buy ISK with real money. This far, the only PLEX sink was people who can't or do not want to buy game time with real money. Now there's an added sink of people with really, really too much money lying in their wallets, with characters which have everything they want. Now they can also have some clothes on top of that. I don't have the numbers of how many active trillionaire characters we have in EVE, but if a few dozen of them throw a few billions on the vanity market, I'd assume the feature has done its job about getting that ISK from their wallets back to circulation. A hint to CCP: It should be made possible to withdraw ISK again from the wallet as an ingame item (ISK bills). These bills could be, say, 1k, 10k, 100k and 1M. Each bill could be used to roll a cigarette. The 1k bill could be used to make a small cigarette, whereas the 1M bill would show up as a Double Corona cigar. To be used by those who have money to burn.
Triple Entendre Deliciously Vicious	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:51:00 - [713] Nice work on the good press, CCP. How many people read Slashdot and/or Joystiq daily? You know, just to make sure the message is really out there to see how much you guys don't try to shaft your players.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:51:00 - [714] Or may be CCP are just creating a PLEX sink? As there are players who accumulate enormous amounts of PLEX and it is starting to show on CCP accounting reports? I was telling long time ago (on other toon) that GTC's are a very bad thing with a potential to hit Eve pretty hard and many were saying how wonderful that some ppl can play for free and others who don't have time to play will still play by paying for those who have too much time and too little cash? The problem here is CCP service time can be stockpiled, speculated and bought for virtual currency. Now their accountants see the problem and BizDev will not stop before they address the problem, even by selling overpowered pwnmobiles for AUR.
Syna Atruin	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:52:00 - [715] Wow. Less then 8 hours and this thred is over 700 posts at 24-25 pages. I really really hope CCP gets this rather massive hint we are trying to give them. The most expencive item in the current store should be less then $2.00.
Spin Spin Sugar	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:52:00 - [716] ****ed. Pixels cost more than RL items.... Even more **ed, pixel items that no one else can see because "Incarna" is just looking at your own backside... When going for fail, might as well make it a big fail eh? SPACESHIPS MUTHERFARKER...**
Communith	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:52:00 - [717] Subscription cancelled, this is a slap in the face.
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:54:00 - [718] Originally by: Tron Flux @silver night Too expensive (full stop) in what context? If you accept it as a balancing mechanism, then the high price is necessary to have a balancing effect. I read 22 pages of this thread and what I mostly see in between the full stops is, "I can't afford it without spending RL money." I'd say that those people (myself included) aren't the target market because those aren't the people unbalancing the game. Right. What I'm saying is that for those of us who do have plenty of money, and can afford it, it still doesn't make sense. I'd be happy to buy vanity items, and I could afford it at twice the price, or five times the price. But being able to afford it isn't really the point. The point is that a Machariel for 1B isk is also a vanity item, it's cheaper, and it sends the same message (I have plenty of money, look at me, I'm cool) more effectively. I'm not really seeing the incentive as a member of the target demographic for this to buy any of it. I think in part that if there were more expensive items, and also cheaper items, there would be more of an incentive. As it is, it's all or nothing - and aside from the monocle noone will even see them. Most people won't even see the monocle, because who looks that close at portraits? If I want to show off, I'll stick to faction ships, pirate implants, and bragging about skillpoints, at least for the time being. -------------- Silver's Fiction
sid pr0vid3nce BALKAN EXPRESS	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:56:00 - [719] Originally by: Spin Spin Sugar ****ed. Pixels cost more than RL items.... Even more **ed, pixel items that no one else can see because "Incarna" is just looking at your own backside... When going for fail, might as well make it a big fail eh? SPACESHIPS MUTHERFARKER...** omg so true
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:57:00 - [720] Originally by: Agent 42 Quote: Hey CCP how much aurum would I have to pay for a boob job on my character? I want GG cups Very Happy Sorry CCP hasn't yet worked out how to convert our souls to Aur. Except their own. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ

Quistis Noir The Lotus Edge	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:00:00 - [721] Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 22/06/2011 06:48:58 Some example for microtransactions in other games I play/used to play: WoW (EU): Celestial Steed: 20 Ç LoL (EU): any legendary skin: 1,820 RP ~ 9.7-10.8 Ç WoT (US): Lowe tank: 7,500 gold ~ 30-41$ except for the monocle CCP's pricing does not seem to be grossly out of line for microtransactions... The examples you gave are the high end premium items for those games. Their micro-transaction stores also have items on the low scale which start you paying money for in game items, gateway items you could say. When the average item in your store costs about the same as the premium items in other games, it says something may be off. And there are no gateway items in the store. I could buy 5$ boots which dont look that much different from ones that are available for free, and which no-one else but me will see, or I could buy multiple characters in LoL which I wouldnt have access to otherwise and open up more gameplay for me.
Xervish Krin	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:03:00 - [722] Agreed, this is utterly ridiculous. I supported Incarna, I supported microtransactions, but I'll be damned if I'm paying ú15 for a virtual shirt. Well done CCP, you've proven the naysayers right.
RensPriceChecker2	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:03:00 - [723] One more reason to laugh at the people who actually buy this stuff. Thats the fun part of CCPs microtransactions integration. People pay premium dollars to make themselves a laughingstock.
Pok Nibin	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:04:00 - [724] Well...maybe we have to take into account they're in Iceland and in Iceland, as we saw oh too recently, the concept of "economics" is considerably different than commonly shared in civilized countries. After all, I heard they were paying $15,000 US for a pound of whale meat just before the UK threatened to invade.
The Doctorz	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:05:00 - [725] After just seeing what all the fuss is about, perhaps this is an issue of wrong wording/definitions. I would surmise that these are of course not micro-transactions in any form and majority of the anger is the usage of this term alone. The price is evidence of that as many before me have pointed out that a micro payment is a few dollars at best. These are premium status symbols of the affluent part of eve players, optional extras == extravagance that adds nothing more than pure vanity to those people who have large wads of disposable real income and want the chance to display that wealth in the eve society. Ofc they can be traded in for ISK so those who care for a monocle can pay the iskies for it. However luxury items will naturally be about quality and lower "boutique style" sales over bulk micro sales therefore naturally not appealing to the majority of us as demonstrated here (many of us will naturally not care for vanity at whatever price point is set) and that is the philosophy behind vanity items, they have no function other than psychological status symbols. So the rage might actually be a sign they got exactly the price point they wanted, imagine seeing a monocle on a character in local and podding him heh, who wont be calling them primary or pirating them knowing their iskies are probably plex funded. I wont be buying a monocle ever or a nice frock for my alt but I would kinda smile if did have tonnes of $$$ (i dont ) and i saw people spitting feathers as I strolled through a station in future expansions wearing a gentleman's attire and monocle having paid for several NPC bots to follow me around, two lovely hunnies in each arm and an announcer who will announce my entry to any bar with a trumpet fanfaire. Being able to make people rage just by doing that would be funny to me at least. (someone buy me a monocle!) /2cents.
Spacing Cowboy Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:05:00 - [726] This is causing a mayor spike on the forum-whine index ccp, Dont forget to show it on the next fanfest. Wonder if we see the same faces there next year tho
Morphisat Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:06:00 - [727] Edited by: Morphisat on 22/06/2011 07:06:25 Makes you wonder what the reskinned Scorpion would have cost ? $100,- ? .
Kingofpewpew	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:07:00 - [728] I rarely post... but this stupidity in CCP is beyond anything I seen before
Benilopax Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:08:00 - [729] Originally by: The Doctorz After just seeing what all the fuss is about, perhaps this is an issue of wrong wording/definitions. I would surmise that these are of course not micro-transactions in any form and majority of the anger is the usage of this term alone. The price is evidence of that as many before me have pointed out that a micro payment is a few dollars at best. These are premium status symbols of the affluent part of eve players, optional extras == extravagance that adds nothing more than pure vanity to those people who have large wads of disposable real income and want the chance to display that wealth in the eve society. Ofc they can be traded in for ISK so those who care for a monocle can pay the iskies for it. However luxury items will naturally be about quality and lower "boutique style" sales over bulk micro sales therefore naturally not appealing to the majority of us as demonstrated here (many of us will naturally not care for vanity at whatever price point is set) and that is the philosophy behind vanity items, they have no function other than psychological status symbols. So the rage might actually be a sign they got exactly the price point they wanted, imagine seeing a monocle on a character in local and podding him heh, who wont be calling them primary or pirating them knowing their iskies are probably plex funded. I wont be buying a monocle ever or a nice frock for my alt but I would kinda smile if did have tonnes of $$$ (i dont ) and i saw people spitting feathers as I strolled through a station in future expansions wearing a gentleman's attire and monocle having paid for several NPC bots to follow me around, two lovely hunnies in each arm and an announcer who will announce my entry to any bar with a trumpet fanfaire. Being able to make people rage just by doing that would be funny to me at least. (someone buy me a monocle!) /2cents. I will not be impressed or intimidated by anyone who spent 4 months worth of game time in isk or rl cash, if anything I will laugh at how pathetic they are and try to kill them all the same. The only thing that intimidates me is their piloting skill. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.
Syphon Lodian Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:08:00 - [730] If anyone buys these items with the price they are at now, I will find you, and I will punch you in your damn face. ------------------------------------------------- Go pod yourself.

Aderata Nonkin Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:11:00 - [731] So much idiocy and ignorance in this thread I don't know where to look anymore. Did any of you actually stop and think that the pricing might NOT be deliberate but perhaps will change once the expansion is out and the dust settles? I suppose to stop and actually think takes too much work from the lonely brain cell most of you idiots have occupying that sticky membrane inside your skulls. Wait and see what happens. Wait for a representative from CCP to clarify the situation. Right now you're worse than the WoW crowd and that is disgusting behaviour indeed. I'm really ashamed of this so-called community at present. æIf you are not big enough to lose, then you are not big enough to win.Æ
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:15:00 - [732] Originally by: Aderata Nonkin Did any of you actually stop and think that the pricing might NOT be deliberate Considering that the CCP reps have said it is deliberate, why would anyone stop and think that? Quote: Wait and see what happens. Wait for a representative from CCP to clarify the situation. They already have. Read the thread. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
CyberGh0st Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:16:00 - [733] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 22/06/2011 07:17:08 Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Actually I'm laughing at the subtle sales technique. 1 PLEX = 3,500 Aurum aaaand.. wait for it.. "Women's 'Impress' Skirt": 3,600 Aurum! Yeah lol, I thought wow 3500 Aurum, they may even seduce me, one of the biggest haters of microtransaction. I mean wtf is the point splitting a plex into 3500 Aurum and then charge the full amount and then some? Might as well have just charged plexes for it ... Actually I am glad, this will fail soo hard :p http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Pre-Microtransactions
Benilopax Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:16:00 - [734] Originally by: Aderata Nonkin So much idiocy and ignorance in this thread I don't know where to look anymore. Did any of you actually stop and think that the pricing might NOT be deliberate but perhaps will change once the expansion is out and the dust settles? I suppose to stop and actually think takes too much work from the lonely brain cell most of you idiots have occupying that sticky membrane inside your skulls. Wait and see what happens. Wait for a representative from CCP to clarify the situation. Right now you're worse than the WoW crowd and that is disgusting behaviour indeed. I'm really ashamed of this so-called community at present. We did think that, then CCP stated that the price was intentional in the in-game help channel last night. Read around page 10 for CCP's comments on the prices. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.
Rico Minali Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:17:00 - [735] Hmmm, Do I buy a monacle, or a FULLY FITTED CARRIER? Insane. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
TheImpossibleDream	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:17:00 - [736] I'm a sexy virtual girl ( read : RL fat bold programmer ), can i sell my clothes and walk naked in captain quarters ? wow this incarna will surely look great !
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:17:00 - [737] Originally by: Aderata Nonkin Did any of you actually stop and think that the pricing might NOT be deliberate but perhaps will change once the expansion is out and the dust settles? If the pricing was an accident, and they let this out the door by mistake, then might I suggest pointing the idiot finger elsewhere. The places I have worked, 'accidents' like this are a ticket to an escorted walk out of the building. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Hemp Invader Inverted Worlds	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:20:00 - [738] I think a real life monocle is less expensive than this piece of **** virtual monocle. Just my 2 cents. (which CCP translates into...just my 12.000 aurum)
Bumbaclaat	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:23:00 - [739] Edited by: Bumbaclaat on 22/06/2011 07:25:16 I think there's an important overriding point that's being missed here. EVE players are some of the most intelligent gamers on the planet. We're not Xbox Live and we make carefully considered purchasing decisions. In that sense, EVE has trained us all to be budding economists - to make careful decisions about what is really worth the money and what is not. No one, and I mean no one, is going to buy any of this stuff unless the price comes down to 1/10th of what it is. Even the muppets of Xbox Live wouldn't pay $60 for a master chief hat for their avatar... which is why that only costs a dollar. It's as much as you can charge for something that does nothing. I'm stunned that CCP is trying to charge these prices. Literally stunned. But I will be more stunned if anyone buys any of them.
jowming	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:24:00 - [740] Edited by: jowming on 22/06/2011 07:25:22 huh this would make sence if we could jackinto our pc's like in the matrix or something but as of now. no it does not make a bit of sence why someone would pay that much for a vertual item man my spelling and sentence making may be bad but when it comes to budgeting and marketing i dont fall for these dam tricks may be why i like games like eve and not wow

Rex Nefarius	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:25:00 - [741] I fail to see the problem with the prices beeing too high. About 1b isk for the priciest item, sounds maybe a little low instead for beeing eve. They are called vanity items, they are not for the poor rabble flying around outside jita 4-4.
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:27:00 - [742] And I thought the sparkle pony in WOW or the ability to color my triple top hat in team fortress 2's MANCO (4$ for a one time only paintjob) was expensive... CCP, have you gone off the deep end. Microtransactions implies its MICRO, small miniscule amounts of money for a vanity item, NOT 4 MONTHS WORTH OF GAME TIME!!!! --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Shereza	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:27:00 - [743] Originally by: Rex Nefarius I fail to see the problem with the prices beeing too high. About 1b isk for the priciest item, sounds maybe a little low instead for beeing eve. They are called vanity items, they are not for the poor rabble flying around outside jita 4-4. Hey, the poor are allowed to be vain too! I mean come on, what self-respecting bum would sleep in McDonald's Trash when he could get access to trash from Wendy's?
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Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:31:00 - [745] ú12.50 for a virtual T-Shirt I lose when I die in game? AWESOME I WILL SPEND THAT RIGHT NOW! Or I might go on Amazon and buy a real t-shirt... CCP, are failing hardcore these days.
Xander Hunt Minmatar Dead Rats Tell No Tales	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:32:00 - [746] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: Aderata Nonkin Did any of you actually stop and think that the pricing might NOT be deliberate but perhaps will change once the expansion is out and the dust settles? If the pricing was an accident, and they let this out the door by mistake, then might I suggest pointing the idiot finger elsewhere. The places I have worked, 'accidents' like this are a ticket to an escorted walk out of the building. I wouldn't say its a permanent (My word, not yours) escort out, but a "Adjust the database tables, wait until DT, client re-downloads the new prices, and take the week off unpaid". I work in a company who offers software world wide. I've seen this kind of crap happen before, and normally its an accident. Considering this patch was started at 7am and finished towards midnight, they may have not noticed this adjustment, people are sleeping as its been a long day, etc, etc. AFAIK, CCP isn't a 24/7/365 kind of company. They're offices are closed, so we'll just have to wait and see.
Amber Helfer	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:34:00 - [747] 25 pages of anger and no blue response to explain the pricing.. I was thinking i would actually use the noble exchange.. at these prices i wont bother.
Biltic Creen Minmatar Shattered Reality	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:34:00 - [748] Just passing by to agree with everybody that said "This is **ed up!!!" so far _____ This post is not** my personal opinion. It does represent the standpoint of every single player !
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:34:00 - [749] Originally by: Turelus ú12.50 for a virtual T-Shirt I lose when I die in game? AWESOME I WILL SPEND THAT RIGHT NOW! As someone mentionedà àthe two Quafe shirts I got for spending $$áon the HD Fanfest stream suddenly turn out to be the bargain of a lifetime. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Reilly Duvolle	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:35:00 - [750] Edited by: Reilly Duvolle on 22/06/2011 07:37:39 Seeing CCP actions over the past few weeks has really been an eye-opener. Especially with the USD 99 fee for 3rd party developers that get the occasional isk donation from players (EFT, EVEMON, DOTLAN etc) and this RMT-store, CCP has finally exposed themselves as the Gordon Gekko fans they are. Unfortunately, once a company starting heading down this path, the only language they understand is money. So 2 subscriptions cancelled today. And no, you can not have my stuff.

Thlarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:36:00 - [751] I think I remember a dev saying someplace that they thought a shirt for a plex would be a bit over the top. Never would have dreamed he thought it would be too cheap.
Skrupler Gallente Future Corps	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:37:00 - [752] What everyone else is saying.
Yldrad The Dandy KillerS	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:39:00 - [753] I don't get it. One day ago, people was complaigning about item mall. Now they're complaigning that they can't buy this stuff. If it's to expensive, nobody buy it so micro-transaction will be a big fail and a big win for EvE Online no?
Cannibal Kane Umkhonto we Sizwe	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:40:00 - [754] Edited by: Cannibal Kane on 22/06/2011 07:40:21 I have not been following what would be going into CQ and this patch. Except for the Ships and turrets maybe. But when I saw terms like "Vanity" Items and "Noble" exchange my first though was.... EXPENSIVE SHYTE. I have the isk to convert and buy a damn eye piece but I won't. Since my isk is better spend on more important things right now. People that have the Billions of isk to throw around will buy one. I won't consider them idiots, I would just think.... there is a guy with aot of isk.
Lord o'Darkness	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:40:00 - [755] And I was worried about the absurdity of clothing prices costing more than frigates and cruisers. . .
Merdaneth Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:42:00 - [756] Originally by: Lord o'Darkness And I was worried about the absurdity of clothing prices costing more than frigates and cruisers. . . Either you buy that Supercarrier, or you buy an entire new outfit.... ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
CyberGh0st Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:45:00 - [757] Originally by: Yldrad I don't get it. One day ago, people was complaigning about item mall. Now they're complaigning that they can't buy this stuff. If it's to expensive, nobody buy it so micro-transaction will be a big fail and a big win for EvE Online no? Oh yah, agreed, I hope it fails en gets removed altogether. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Pre-Microtransactions
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:46:00 - [758] Hmmm, what to spend this 1.3 bill ISK on: useless space-monocle that no-one else can see anyway or a Bhaalgorn? Decisions, decisions... Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Doom Sentinel	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:46:00 - [759] Wow... I wasnt really against this NEX thing at the start, I thought "Yeah, I might spend a couple of bucks making myself look badass" - But this is beyond ridiculous. How are CCP not the laughing stock of the games industry right now!?!? I love this damn game, but come on! There are the most ridiculous "microtransaction" prices ever, and thats coming from someone who's played bloody Entropia! Its hilarious and a little insulting. CCP, How rich AND HOW STUPID do you think your playerbase is!?!?
Amber Helfer	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:46:00 - [760] and the CSM agreed on the direction the MT's where taking LOL!!!

Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:48:00 - [761] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Jade Constantine This is pretty damned ridiculous. Play eve for a month for free or buy a women's "impress" dress skirt? The prices for these "virtual goods" are a joke. Jesus Christ, I think this is the first time I've ever said this but I completely agree with you. What the hell, is this some kind of really bad joke? I agreed with Verone and Jade Constantine on the same thing on the same day in the same thread, there is a great disturbance in the force... ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Benilopax Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:48:00 - [762] Originally by: Amber Helfer and the CSM agreed on the direction the MT's where taking LOL!!! They were never told the prices, and are as ****ed as you are. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.
Darteis Elosia Gallente PHOENIX 2ND C.A.G.	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:49:00 - [763] Yeah i can only agree with OP and all others in agreement with OP. The pricing of clothing in the eve universe is more fed up than a John Holmes using a pig as an oral sex doll until it barfs. In other words, pretty damn insane and not to mention disgusting. Prices of clothing need to be divided by 12 at least. Seriously CCP, if you are going to charge 80$ for something you should consult Rolex, Armani or Louis Vuitton to name a few, have them design something and stamp their logo on it, not only would you break ground and be "first!" it would also probably generate a **load of media coverage for EVE: Online. Who the hell is going to pay 80 $ for a Ocular Implant that at least three hundred other people with more money than sense in the game would own too? You charge a price that can only be described as gross, yet give us no option of choosing diffrent color styles etc. These clothes would of been cool if they are free now, like so many people already ask, CCP how desperate are you for money? Did the new servers cost too much? And to get diversity why don't you CCP, let the players manufacture their own accessorizes? As previous design a space ship contests have proved, there are extremely talented artists amongst the EVE player base. Set up a team of screeners that look at objects people make, allow them if they fit the context and filter out the hello kitty shirts that people would post for **s and giggles. People could then set up shops in stations, pay rent for the shops, sell their own clothing and use the AUR to exchange back into PLEX etc. This would help make stations an interesting place to be. This could also be integrated into the crafting system already in place. Also add cage fighting i.e UFC styled matches that avatars can attend both as audience and letting the players punch each others faces in. And even further in the future, if we have clones, there should be a Quake III styled arena for players to battle against each other for the viewing pleasure of millions. I can see so many scenarios.. Death Match, Capture The Flag, Minmatar Slave Invasion Defense.. The blood is going to be endless. Well i got out of topic, i was only supposed to complain but actually i ended up writing down a few ideas.. I think the first one is something that could be very neat tough. Brings both diversity and player involvement into the game.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:50:00 - [764] Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 07:51:41 Originally by: Yldrad I don't get it. One day ago, people was complaigning about item mall. Now they're complaigning that they can't buy this stuff. A few days ago, people were complaining that CCP didn't understand what certain items in an MT store would do to the economy, now they're complaining about CCP's obvious lack of any hint of understanding of what makes an MT store work to begin with. Both complaints were about the competence of CCP, and while the first might be more damaging to the game world, the second seems to suggest a level of competence that might directly damage CCP itself. Neither is good for the game. Originally by: Malcanis Hmmm, what to spend this 1.3 bill ISK on: useless space-monocle that no-one else can see anyway or a Bhaalgorn? Decisions, decisions... Easy decision. The Bhaalgorn looks good ù the ~~monocle~~ salt shaker jammed into your eye socket does not. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Scarlet des Loupes Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:52:00 - [765] When is the commoners clothes shop (EVE's H&M) being released?
Blueberrie Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:54:00 - [766] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste I can buy shirts in real life cheaper than the shirts in Incarna at current prices. THIS THIS THIS
Xia Long Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:55:00 - [767] Lucky me i'm against MT and will never use the Noble Rip-Off, so i don't care about prices, still is ridicolous
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:57:00 - [768] Originally by: Darteis Elosia And to get diversity why don't you CCP, let the players manufacture their own accessorizes? As previous design a space ship contests have proved, there are extremely talented artists amongst the EVE player base. Set up a team of screeners that look at objects people make, allow them if they fit the context and filter out the hello kitty shirts that people would post for ****s and giggles. People could then set up shops in stations, pay rent for the shops, sell their own clothing and use the AUR to exchange back into PLEX etc. This would help make stations an interesting place to be. This could also be integrated into the crafting system already in place. Also add cage fighting i.e UFC styled matches that avatars can attend both as audience and letting the players punch each others faces in. And even further in the future, if we have clones, there should be a Quake III styled arena for players to battle against each other for the viewing pleasure of millions. +100 (would be +1 but sticking with the order of magnitude fck up du jour) My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
cM2007 Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:59:00 - [769] What's the point of these Vanity Items? no one else can see them
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:00:00 - [770] Originally by: Seleene [ 2011.06.22 00:23:09 ] CCP Zinfandel > Elina Tan - we are introducing new clothing fashions in sets with themes. This set is themed "Military" and will continue for months. We also have fashion designers creating a line for "Corporate" and one for "Cyberpunk." Oh god I just threw up in my mouth I little when I read cyberpunk. ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****

Jess Tantalus	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:04:00 - [771] WTF CCP, these prices are completly ridiculous. You must have done the math yourself, where did you miss the micro in micro transactions?
Kitty Meow	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:07:00 - [772] Have to agree, NEX prices are rediculously high. IMHO, 1 plex, should be = 7,000 AUR, and sales prices should be 1/10th the current value, ( as copared to the current price template ). Then again, the NEX doesn't have anything that's tempting anyway.
Efraya Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:08:00 - [773] GJ CCP, GJ. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:09:00 - [774] Originally by: Ciar Meara Originally by: Seleene [ 2011.06.22 00:23:09 ] CCP Zinfandel > Elina Tan - we are introducing new clothing fashions in sets with themes. This set is themed "Military" and will continue for months. We also have fashion designers creating a line for "Corporate" and one for "Cyberpunk." Oh god I just threw up in my mouth I little when I read cyberpunk. this sounds like second life .... fly safe
Fred Munro Gallente Silicis Luguolo	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:09:00 - [775] I just wanna see the CCP response to the backlash on this, I dont care about in game vanity items, my charaters looks just the way I want them... Although, I want the option to disable the Captain Quarters, since I can no longer have 6 accounts docked... I found out nicely when I nearly toasted two ú400 graphics cards because their temps went to 106C when "kill temp" is 105C
stonewall ironwill	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:10:00 - [776] I would like to have seen all items cheep and have a chance of getting droped on your corps when poded. Added bonus for making it mountable to put as a trophie in your captains quarters.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:12:00 - [777] Originally by: CyberGh0st Originally by: Yldrad I don't get it. One day ago, people was complaigning about item mall. Now they're complaigning that they can't buy this stuff. If it's to expensive, nobody buy it so micro-transaction will be a big fail and a big win for EvE Online no? Oh yah, agreed, I hope it fails en gets removed altogether. Agreed. I want to see it crash and burn.
Bruce Carraway	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:13:00 - [778] it be cool if the items are limited and exchangeable among the eve population. then you will see the store will be empty and plex price skyrocket. OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHH
Ahrman Vanaheim Caldari Chimaera Combine Novus Dominatum	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:15:00 - [779] I completely refuse to RMT regardless, and have clearly stated so previously, so I can simply laugh at this The real problem of course is when the game altering RMT begins, then its game over for me. P.S. at those threatening to ragequit over price of items they don't need anyway.
Tron Flux	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:15:00 - [780] @silver night I appreciate that you are having a reasonable thought about this. I would just say that there's a difference between a demographic and a market. I suspect that there is a market for these trinkets that are extremely priced. You're just not a part of that market. I also think that this isn't designed to be a major overhaul to the plex system. If they really needed to vastly cut down on the availability of plexes (or if it were a pure money grab) they would change the RL price. In any case, I just don't see it as being that big of a deal. Minor economy tweaking, as well as throwing a bone to people with way to much isk is all it is for now. I don't really see it as being any different than faction ships (and we all know that lp stores are designed to be isk sinks). They are too pricey for me, so I train skills and research the best fits on the ships I can fly instead of complaining about the cost of stuff. I guess the idea that there is stuff that's appealing that I can't afford doesn't bother me that much. Yet. Just wait until ccp releases Hookers, Beer, and Pizza 1.0 and I'll be *****ing about how hookers cost 10 billion isk an hour. So it goes.

Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:16:00 - [781] I understand CCP are trying to get rid of the amount of Plex currently being hoarded, but how did they think this would be the way to do it. What's next if this completely fails? force you into purchasing other things critical to the game. It's a slippery slope they are potentially headed down if they are looking to make more money. Yes I'm concerned that they could destroy their own game by making bad business decisions. I have no problem supporting a game I enjoy by purchasing items from an MT store, but not like this. Looks like no paint jobs, etc for me now. After checking some MMO gaming sites it seems anything else contained in Incarna has been completely overshadowed by the NEX item costs. Not sure if that was the type of advertising CCP was going for.
Creetalor Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:17:00 - [782] Your biggest market for this are the Rpers and my entire Alliance last night had their jaw drop and im sure a lot of other Rpers did as well. I think one can safely say if the prices of the clothes where at 200-500 AUR people would not even mind if the clothes would be destructed with the pod, it would simply be a expensive implant ISK wise it would still hurt but it would be reasonable! ----------------------------------------
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:20:00 - [783] Originally by: Creetalor Your biggest market for this are the Rpers and my entire Alliance last night had their jaw drop and im sure a lot of other Rpers did as well. I think one can safely say if the prices of the clothes where at 200-500 AUR people would not even mind if the clothes would be destructed with the pod, it would simply be a expensive implant ISK wise it would still hurt but it would be reasonable! I'm a roleplayer, and I approve this message. You know what, CCP? Go jump in a volcano. Seriously, do it. You've got one right in your goddamn backyard. You deserve to burn in hell for pulling this garbage.
Dax Insight	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:21:00 - [784] ~Reminds me of the "I am Rich" iPhone app
Knoppaz Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:22:00 - [785] Originally by: cM2007 What's the point of these Vanity Items? no one else can see them Not true! You can upload screenshots to rapidshare and spam your local/corp/alliance-chat with links
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:22:00 - [786] Originally by: Ahrman Vanaheim P.S. at those threatening to ragequit over price of items they don't need anyway. Think you're kind of missing the point. Not only was MTs bad to begin with, this asinine pricing schedule is icing on the rage cake with a big huge 'Told ya So!' candle. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Ishihiro tanaka Amarr NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:22:00 - [787] Now I know that Icelandic finances are a bit.. err.. gimped as of lately but to try and buff your monetary coin by charging game players with prices that, in some cases, far exceed similar RL items is not a good idea in my book. At this moment, you've destroyed a good income from your (micro)transaction scheme in EVE. What's next? Charging Ç 150,- in Aurum on a good gun in Dust 514? how many players do you think are willing to pay? .. ... .... .. .... .. .-. --- - .- -. .- -.- .- A bullet, Laser beam or Plasma charge may have your name on it..... A Smartbomb or Shrapnel is adressed "To whom it may concern"...
PureSoul Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:23:00 - [788] Agree, wtf with this prices, maybe you add extra "0" to them or forget add "0" to exhange rate?
Imiarr Timshae Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:25:00 - [789] I'd pay maybe ú0.20 for an accessory in Eve. More than ú0.40 and nope. I fully support these prices. Maybe if they remain this high then the PLEX market won't crash. ----- Originally by: GM Horse Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things. Originally by: CCP Shadow Tragic smelting accidents.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:26:00 - [790] Originally by: Imiarr Timshae I'd pay maybe ú0.20 for an accessory in Eve. More than ú0.40 and nope. I fully support these prices. Maybe if they remain this high then the PLEX market won't crash. I'd rather see all forms of RMT crash horribly, in response to this stupidity on CCP's part.

Pearljammer 5657 Caldari Last Exit.	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:28:00 - [791] Just hopped on the forums and saw this little thread. I have not even logged in or started to try and patch. There is a money grubbing scumbag working at CCP and killing this game.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:29:00 - [792] This thread cracks me up so much.... I am constantly amazed at the amount of sheer *****ing and moaning that goes on in these forums. There was outrage over the market being implemented at all, now the outrage that no one wants to front the Isk for these items. There are plenty of rich ass pilots out there, who will fork over 3 plex for a monocle, they're the same douchebags with 16 supercaps to drop whenever. Just as there will be plenty of pilots with mom's credit card buying and converting ETC's into plex so they can make some quick isk to buy a carrier. This a fluid economy people, if you dont want to fork out $80 for a monocle, dont. Get out there and hustle for some isk like you would for anything else dope in this game, and buy some plex and grab your monocles. Also amusing is people trying to run what they knew would would be a graphically intensive addition 6-fold on their PC's and nearly burning out cards cause they bit off more than they could chew. Anyone ever tried to run 6 versions of Crysis on their computer? No, cause that would be dumb. Regardless of how much you spent on your cards. If you have no friends/corpmates to do the tasks your 5 alts are doing for you, that's your fault. Not CCP's for lowering their hardware standards for the least common denominator. For a game that encourages adapt-or-die, i just cant stop laughing and shaking my head at all the pilots who are unwilling to adapt to a shift in EvE. Years down the road, this will all be commonplace, as ship spinning was before, and people will have a thousand new things to complain about. Remember all the predictions about how microtransactions were going to "destroy" the economy? Well, PLEX prices are crashing, not soaring, and there's just far too few items on the NeX for CCP's imaginary "shameless-cash-grab-master-plan" to ever be successful. What a stinking surprise, MT won't be CCP's new revenue stream of choice. Who woulda guessed?? Well, anyone that actually listened to their intentions for the MT store to begin with. Buy a nicer video card for 50 bucks, enjoy the pretty visuals, learn the new shortcut to your cargo bay, and ignore the store if you don't like it or cant afford it. Life will go on in New Eden, as it always has everytime CCP makes a major change....as will the neverending, meaningless QQ.
PMolkenthin Dark Chapter	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:32:00 - [793] hahahahahahahahahahaha how **ing **
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:32:00 - [794] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen This thread cracks me up so much.... I am constantly amazed at the amount of sheer *****ing and moaning that goes on in these forums. There was outrage over the market being implemented at all, now the outrage that no one wants to front the Isk for these items. There are plenty of rich ass pilots out there, who will fork over 3 plex for a monocle, they're the same douchebags with 16 supercaps to drop whenever. Just as there will be plenty of pilots with mom's credit card buying and converting ETC's into plex so they can make some quick isk to buy a carrier. This a fluid economy people, if you dont want to fork out $80 for a monocle, dont. Get out there and hustle for some isk like you would for anything else dope in this game, and buy some plex and grab your monocles. Also amusing is people trying to run what they knew would would be a graphically intensive addition 6-fold on their PC's and nearly burning out cards cause they bit off more than they could chew. Anyone ever tried to run 6 versions of Crysis on their computer? No, cause that would be dumb. Regardless of how much you spent on your cards. If you have no friends/corpmates to do the tasks your 5 alts are doing for you, that's your fault. Not CCP's for lowering their hardware standards for the least common denominator. For a game that encourages adapt-or-die, i just cant stop laughing and shaking my head at all the pilots who are unwilling to adapt to a shift in EvE. Years down the road, this will all be commonplace, as ship spinning was before, and people will have a thousand new things to complain about. Remember all the predictions about how microtransactions were going to "destroy" the economy? Well, PLEX prices are crashing, not soaring, and there's just far too few items on the NeX for CCP's imaginary "shameless-cash-grab-master-plan" to ever be successful. What a stinking surprise, MT won't be CCP's new revenue stream of choice. Who woulda guessed?? Well, anyone that actually listened to their intentions for the MT store to begin with. Buy a nicer video card for 50 bucks, enjoy the pretty visuals, learn the new shortcut to your cargo bay, and ignore the store if you don't like it or cant afford it. Life will go on in New Eden, as it always has everytime CCP makes a major change....as will the neverending, meaningless QQ. OK - buy one of those monicles right now and re-post, you fool.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:35:00 - [795] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen What a stinking surprise, MT won't be CCP's new revenue stream of choice. Who woulda guessed?? Well, anyone that actually listened to their intentions for the MT store to begin with. àjust one problem, they've picked a price range that means they can't live up to those intentions either. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Brother Spaciel	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:37:00 - [796] - Men's 'Commando' Pants (black wax) -- 1.25 Billion ISK - Moros (Gallente Dreadnaught) -------- 1.6 Billion ISK Holy crap, what imaginary sick world does CCP team lives... at the price of a capital ship, I really hope this pants are hand-crafted by Jean-Paul Gaultier.
Imiarr Timshae Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:39:00 - [797] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen For a game that encourages adapt-or-die, i just cant stop laughing and shaking my head at all the pilots who are unwilling to adapt to a shift in EvE. Isn't "adapt or die", in this scenario essentially "Learn to cope with how bad the game is getting or quit"? Because if so I'd really like my old Eve back. After dreads, before carriers. That bit was the best. ----- Originally by: GM Horse Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things. Originally by: CCP Shadow Tragic smelting accidents.
jadal colmag Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:45:00 - [798] Dust will die in a week if the prices to buy a new lazooooooor is ú60
Daniela Darr Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:48:00 - [799] Well compare it with RL .. how "exclusive" must a pair of boots be to be more expensive than an oil tanker (freighter)?
Shtang Lord Gunpoint Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:50:00 - [800] Steve - "Hey davo want to come out saturday night and get plastered?" Davo - "Ummm i've only got like $70 tho" Steve - "Yeeeaaah boiii thats easily enough" Davo - "Nah sorry mate I really need to save. There are these pants that look kinda s*** in an online space game that I reaaallly want because CCP told us they make our characters look better and they are $80 so yeh no can do." Steve - "...... gaaaaaaaay!!!"

McBorsk	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:51:00 - [801] Weak offering, doesnt entice me at all.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:51:00 - [802] Honestly, I would have preferred that clothing items for avatars be craftable by players, in order to create a station-side player driven economy. This would be very immensely appealing to the roleplay community at large. Just look at Star Wars Galaxies. Players still craft clothes and the like for the market in that old game. Many people in the OOC channel on EVE believe that this model should be followed - that is to say, revert to a player-driven, craftable model, to promote further community interactions when actual station spaces are implemented. Given that this whole NeX mess is producing a nasty backlash, it would be in CCP's best interest to focus on the gameplay aspect of the clothing feature, and not on the "Monetization" of it. Seriously. Craftable clothes please. It would solve this rage so easily.
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:53:00 - [803] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen This thread cracks me up so much.... Now, 18 months later, we've got this. A framework for ÇÇP to display their corporate douchebaggery. Because right now, it's featureless. Hell, it's a fourth of what it should've have been in the first place (four featureless rooms). It's embarrassing, more so for the player base. Embarrassing your customers like this, most of them clearly not interested in walking about, it's moronic. Now I'm left with barely any fun in the last few months due to ever-growing balancing issues, and memories of yet another game that got ran into the ground because of moneygrabbing douchebags. I did read that devblog, here's what it said: Quote: We want to balance the creation and production of such variations and customizability against the actual demand for it. Hey, guess what. Now there's no demand at all.
knobber Jobbler Holding Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:55:00 - [804] Adding my +1 to the disgusting overcharged prices and general idiocy by CCP over incarna and this release. Did CCP not remember the horse armour fiasco? CCP - I'm in your target demographic to buy these but they are not enticing, over priced and currently serve no purpose other than to be used in posting screenshots. Get back to fixing internet spaceships.
Zervun Amarr hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:55:00 - [805] Originally by: Vin Hellsing Craftable clothes please. It would solve this rage so easily. CCP, look what you did to EVE... I hope your happy.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:56:00 - [806] Originally by: Zervun Originally by: Vin Hellsing Craftable clothes please. It would solve this rage so easily. CCP, look what you did to EVE... I hope your happy. El oh el. There are some people who don't like going out and fighting, you know. There are those who like to look fashionable and not break their RL wallet doing it. So, to reiterate: DITCH THIS STUPID NEX BS. IMPLEMENT CRAFTABLE PLAYER CLOTHING, PLEASE.
Hikaru Kuroda Amarr Shimai of New Eden N E X O	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:56:00 - [807] Me facepalm. This is excessive.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:00:00 - [808] Originally by: Mors Magne OK - buy one of those monicles right now and re-post, you fool. Nope. Cause I'd rather spend that isk on a couple nicely fitted carriers / Machariels. Which are both destructible, useful, and much more fun, by the way. I reserve the right to buy what is fun for me. I totally get that there are newer players, that haven't learned how to make a lot of isk in a short amount of time (by hook or by crook), and they may be disappointed that they cant afford a monocle. But I'm not about to rage over the prices, Supercapitals blow up every day in this game, at the price of like 5 monocles. To say that these are unaffordable just isn't true.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:02:00 - [809] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Originally by: Mors Magne OK - buy one of those monicles right now and re-post, you fool. Nope. Cause I'd rather spend that isk on a couple nicely fitted carriers / Machariels. Which are both destructible, useful, and much more fun, by the way. I reserve the right to buy what is fun for me. I totally get that there are newer players, that haven't learned how to make a lot of isk in a short amount of time (by hook or by crook), and they may be disappointed that they cant afford a monocle. But I'm not about to rage over the prices, Supercapitals blow up every day in this game, at the price of like 5 monocles. To say that these are unaffordable just isn't true. There are people like me who have a very low ingame income, and cannot afford to be spending every waking hour trying to sc**** together what little ISK we can. We have lives.
Galandole Tsuramananda	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:03:00 - [810] UGH IM SO ****ED OFF BECAUSE CCP IS FORCING ME TO BUY THESE CLOTHES WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY/ISK AND EVERYONE WILL THINK I'M GAY BECAUSE I WAS FORCED TO BUY THIS AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE GAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUY IT TOO-- What? We don't have to buy it? You sure?

MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:06:00 - [811] Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda UGH IM SO ****ED OFF BECAUSE CCP IS FORCING ME TO BUY THESE CLOTHES WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY/ISK AND EVERYONE WILL THINK I'M GAY BECAUSE I WAS FORCED TO BUY THIS AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE GAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUY IT TOO-- What? We don't have to buy it? You sure? so if you eat at a taco bell. and they start selling taco with human meat. and chrage like 400$ a taco. It's ok becuase you don't have to buy that taco?becuase the other menu is still there?
Malo Balveda	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:08:00 - [812] I've decided to add another post to this threadnought for CCP to see that those prices are ridiculous. I cannot say that I was going to buy all of the stuff from the shop, but I was planning to buy something from time to time... I thougth that prices on clothes would be around 200-500 aur/piece and that was acceptable. With single items costing more than one plex you will not get that money from me.
Enilonee	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:08:00 - [813] Edited by: Enilonee on 22/06/2011 09:08:19 They obviosly sent a dev to go shopping and have a look at the prices. Jeans starting at 20$. Decent (sun)glasses available for around 65$. So i'll keep going to some mall. I mean some real mall. Where i get real cloths for that very same money.
Mr Abstoss	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:08:00 - [814] Srsly, CCP. NEX's prices are just a bad joke?! I mean what do you expect of this? I feel like being farmed by you in terms of money... Where is the cancel sub button?
Galandole Tsuramananda	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:09:00 - [815] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda UGH IM SO **ED OFF BECAUSE CCP IS FORCING ME TO BUY THESE CLOTHES WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY/ISK AND EVERYONE WILL THINK I'M GAY BECAUSE I WAS FORCED TO BUY THIS AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE GAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUY IT TOO-- What? We don't have to buy it? You sure? so if you eat at a taco bell. and they start selling taco with human meat. and chrage like 400$ a taco. It's ok becuase you don't have to buy that taco?becuase the other menu is still there? No, I don't have to buy that taco because I can make a **ing sandwich (aka not spend money on the problem), because I'm not being forced to buy the taco.
Lhanisa Khinan Amarr Morning Glory Media	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:11:00 - [816] I honestly feel betrayed to have to make this post. Not because I was looking forward particularly to the NEX (I'd rather buy games off Steam, or magic cards, things I'll get more use out of - I plan on sustaining myself solely off ISK in this game eventually) nor because I like the idea of MT at all. I feel betrayed because, as recently as a few weeks ago, I had basically given EVE my implicit trust that regardless of how well their ideas worked out, their intentions were good. Of the game companies out there, basically only two others have managed to be worthy of that - Valve and CD Projekt RED. Now, my personal opinion isn't worth much on the public stage, but I wanted to say that just to illustrate how high I held CCP in my eyes, prior to this absolute **** up. So, now, I feel like an ass. You went and made a liar of me within a month of my coming back to a game I only left for lack of time, and loved even in that year away. If you defend these prices, not only are you indefensible but you're irredeemably greedy. Reaching too far, making a critical mistake - these things are forgiveable if you fix the problem. Standing by it isn't. All I'll say in closing is that a company far larger than you, with a far larger margin of "acceptable loss" to a new change, was beaten into submission by its own playerbase when they made a decision that playerbase reviled. The Real ID scandal should've been a lesson, and a cautionary tale, not just some forgotten footnote. But I won't try and make any far-reaching claims on behalf of other people that if you misstep further, we'll all quit playing. That's silly and I can't speak for those people. For myself, though, much as it would pain me (because I truly do love this game), if you do go any further with this in a direction I disapprove of, I'll have to vote with my wallet. Whether that means anything in the grand scheme of things, who knows. But the ball's in your court.
Slatiska Wolfovna	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:12:00 - [817] The problem is not that we should be happy because we're not forced to buy, but that we should be sad because we can't :'( They're announcing a "great functionnality", but no one can enjoy it unless they're fat rich, so that's why there is such a ruckus, at 300 AUR any one could buy these stuff and would be happy with it... I guess :D
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:13:00 - [818] Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda UGH IM SO **ED OFF BECAUSE CCP IS FORCING ME TO BUY THESE CLOTHES WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY/ISK AND EVERYONE WILL THINK I'M GAY BECAUSE I WAS FORCED TO BUY THIS AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE GAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUY IT TOO-- What? We don't have to buy it? You sure? so if you eat at a taco bell. and they start selling taco with human meat. and chrage like 400$ a taco. It's ok becuase you don't have to buy that taco?becuase the other menu is still there? No, I don't have to buy that taco because I can make a **ing sandwich (aka not spend money on the problem), because I'm not being forced to buy the taco. u missed the point mister ;) fly safe
zero2espect Amarr ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:13:00 - [819] as usual i'd bet this slipped through Q&A. they wanted to have a discount sale but somebody messed up and instead of making everything 10% cheaper, they made everything 1000% more expensive. wait for the next patch. //sometimes less is more...zero
The Bitchinator	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:14:00 - [820] Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Outlaw Jenner Yup was planning on having some fun with the plexes I've had stockpiled but I'll just continue to play for free for the next 5 years instead of feeding the cash cow you know even if you dont sell your plexes, CCP has already made money on the sale of them right? Yes, but the sheer scope of what you're comparing that to is like comparing that guy who saw your sister in a polaroid once to one that shagged all three of your sisters, 3 times a day for a year.

James Vayne	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:14:00 - [821] Edited by: James Vayne on 22/06/2011 09:16:38 Just posted this in a previous thread, more relavent here. So if 1 PLEX gives you 3600 aur but 300,000,000 ISK and then if a monacle is 12,000 AUR You need 4 plex (14400 AUR) to buy one. 14400 AUR is around 1.2 billion isk. Which means that one monacle is roughly 1 billion isk. That means one monacle is more expensive than every ship I own in EVE. Which is a fair few, including faction. But not more expensive than my implants. So I have to spend the same amount i'd end up spending on a Slave Omega for what? A monacle?! Seriously now. What universe exists where the clothes on your back are worth more than your spaceship?
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:17:00 - [822] Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Vasentic Clearly this was designed as an isk sink from the start and I do not think CCP realistically thinks people will BUY plexes to pay for this garbage. If they do then please stop by my place so I can smack you in the head repeatedly with a sledge hammer. This is most likely just to siphon isk out of the market as CCP seems to have been doing since the 0.0 and mission nerf if that's the case then their must be an unbelievable amount of plex sitting around unused for them to sell any noticeable amount of clothing. If they want most players to customise their chars then the price needs to be 3 orders of mag lower... I am wondering if this is part of CCP's protect the market strategy... start them off ridiculously expensive then drop the price slowly till people start buying at an acceptable rate? ^This Everyone was moaning and *****ing about the market prices for plex prior to Incarna. Can you imagine how fast they would go through the roof if everyone bought one just to convert it to Aurum?
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:18:00 - [823] Originally by: Vin Hellsing There are people like me who have a very low ingame income, and cannot afford to be spending every waking hour trying to sc**** together what little ISK we can. We have lives. Than no monocle for you right now. Life is not fair, Eve is not fair. It's dog eat dog. To be rich, there are sacrifices. Or not, for some lucky privileged SOB's out there. However you get your isk, or whether you don't at all, isn't something CCP's going to worry about. They've given everyone the same set of tools for you to do whatever with, some people have lives and play casually and are more restricted to content, which is fine. Others are hardcore with 6 accounts running at once missioning, mining, whatever, or they simply have l33t real life jobs and sell plexes to buy all their ships (who do you think puts these thousands of plexes on the market to begin with??). This economic reality has been around since the beginnings of the plex system, I really think its only now hitting players what isk means in terms of RL cash, and causing these psychobilly freakouts. But its old news. I'll share with you an important lesson - if you have a very low in-game income, you're either really new to the game, and I can guarantee you that will change with time, or you're simply failing bad and its hard to have pity. Even if you're a casual player, monocles aren't impossible. You can make a billion+ in a day easy (As in 12 hours or less). With one toon. One account. No bots. Plenty of players out there are playing for free via the plex system, taking a single long night or a single weekend day a month to pay for their accounts. Keep your chin up, you'll get that monocle someday! And not have to sacrifice your RL to do it. Unless you're bad at Eve.
James Vayne	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:19:00 - [824] Edited by: James Vayne on 22/06/2011 09:20:03 Originally by: ChaeDoc II Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Vasentic Clearly this was designed as an isk sink from the start and I do not think CCP realistically thinks people will BUY plexes to pay for this garbage. If they do then please stop by my place so I can smack you in the head repeatedly with a sledge hammer. This is most likely just to siphon isk out of the market as CCP seems to have been doing since the 0.0 and mission nerf if that's the case then their must be an unbelievable amount of plex sitting around unused for them to sell any noticeable amount of clothing. If they want most players to customise their chars then the price needs to be 3 orders of mag lower... I am wondering if this is part of CCP's protect the market strategy... start them off ridiculously expensive then drop the price slowly till people start buying at an acceptable rate? ^This Everyone was moaning and *****ing about the market prices for plex prior to Incarna. Can you imagine how fast they would go through the roof if everyone bought one just to convert it to Aurum? Yes, but the general aim isn't to start a a price where nobody at all will buy the product. They're not items that will imbalance the game or affect the 'real' eve market (ships, etc).
Glafri	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:21:00 - [825] Wait, let me guess... You're going to iterate on those Aurum prices hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Sarina Berghil Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:21:00 - [826] Edited by: Sarina Berghil on 22/06/2011 09:25:15 This is really funny, and really sad. CCP doing their utmost to destroy their credibility, and peeing on the fanbase they used to be so proud of. The only exclusive thing about NeX is the price. Looks more like a shop in an undeveloped country with most of the shelves being empty. Obviously CCP seems to think we are stupid. I have seen a lot of greedy attempts at 'monetizing' online communities, but CCP has set a new record. Great PR move.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:23:00 - [827] Originally by: Slatiska Wolfovna They're announcing a "great functionnality", but no one can enjoy it unless they're fat rich... Don't forget, they need to be stupid too. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:25:00 - [828] I'm really disappointed in the prices, even more disappointed that the developers wasted their time not balancing the game and designing this waste of money. No balance changes since December 2009, except of course for the minor rockets tweak in incursion. ---
Glyken Touchon Gallente Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:27:00 - [829] haven't read entire thread yet, but I'm working my way along.. If the items are easily destroyed, then prices will be low as there will be repeat purchases. As they aren't, prices are stupidly high. Unless the store has a MASSIVE expansion of available items, prices will stay high. At the moment, with at most 5 usable items (female), if a single plex could have bought them all, the NEX would be pointless as a lot of people would probably have been willing to sink 1 PLEX into it. I reckon 100 items usable per gender would have dropped prices to 10% of current. It does get ridiculous when the "men's sterling Dress Shirt (olive)" costs more $ than the Amarr T-shirt I think the NEX has just priced itself out of the market. ______ When the forums asked CCP for transparency, we didn't mean the HUD...
Anc Griever Infusion.	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:29:00 - [830] Aurum should be brought for straight rl currency, having no involvement with isk and plex at all until people put up the items on the market. Prices should match those of games with MT stores - for instance league of legends you can buy a character skin for roughly ú2 a pop, working with the current prices CCP have is just like wtf... The people arguing "lol you don't have enough isk to afford it QQ more" have got the wrong idea entirely, the whole point of MT is to pay for things with real money on a 'micro' scale, paying small amounts for a piece of vanity. I don't expect to be paying more than my monthly subscription for a pair of boots.

Tallis Lindisere	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:31:00 - [831] Edited by: Tallis Lindisere on 22/06/2011 09:33:04 Originally by: Black Dranzer So what you're saying is that I can either buy a new suit or about five thousand rifters. Hmm. Well some optimist is selling a pair of black leather commando pants for 450,000,000ISK (not aurum)in one of the regions so you could buy those instead of 2250 Rifters :) All you'ed need is the rest of the black leather gear and a whip and you could get a job with CCP EDIT* Any resemblance between my character pic and Anc's pic above me is purely coincidental
Kyle Reel Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:31:00 - [832] I'm hoping that the astronomical prices of vanity items are only a temporary measure to prevent excessive spikes in PLEX pricing. Expensive vanity items are bad, but having to pay 600kk ISK for a PLEX would be much, much worse. Hopefully the clothes introduced in the future will be cheaper with each iteration. I still hope that CCP is sensible and has the bigger picture in view at all times. Please CCP, don't let me down.
traktorgroove	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:33:00 - [833] woke up, found that massively went with the story. thanks whoever sent it in also ;)
Rex Liberium	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:34:00 - [834] A real vanity monocle costs $15. So its a 'bit' overpriced LOL.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:36:00 - [835] Originally by: Suitonia I'm really disappointed in the prices, even more disappointed that the developers wasted their time not balancing the game and designing this waste of money. No balance changes since December 2009, except of course for the minor rockets tweak in incursion. LOL @ "balancing" in Eve. I hate to break it to you, but CCP never intended to make a game that is fair. Pretty sure the whole sandbox blob-if-you-have-1000-friends-and-roflstomp everyone factor has been in there from day 1. The metagaming and endless ability to gank and be ganked is what seperates Eve from other MMO's. You may not like it, but that's the game. CCP allows, enables, and encourages this. If you want fairness, or at least an insane ongoing attempt at producing homogenized "balanced" gameplay, there are other games that cater to this.
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:36:00 - [836] Originally by: Yldrad I don't get it. One day ago, people was complaigning about item mall. Now they're complaigning that they can't buy this stuff. If it's to expensive, nobody buy it so micro-transaction will be a big fail and a big win for EvE Online no? The point is that they think these prices are reasonable, that they are wasting dev time on this, and what it means for the direction CCP is taking. I dont even give a ** that im training T2 guns anymore in 3 weeks... thats how bad i think this all is, i unsubbed. On top of that, they just killed any anticipation i had over World of Darkness just thinking how they will gouge prices there. Masterstroke right there. But hey, i dont give a ** about Dust not coming to PC anymore, so thats good right?
Atedar Kerane Silentium Mortalitas	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:38:00 - [837] I'm not as angry about the NEX prices as I'm worried about the future of CCP They must be in some serious financial trouble to pull off a stunt like this. I've seen other games offering vanity items before, and I found those to be overpriced. Seems like I was wrong... I believe I've now truly learned the meaning of the word "overpriced".
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:39:00 - [838] Edited by: Wacktopia on 22/06/2011 09:39:51 So a set of clothing (probably made by robots for 0.00001 ISK) is somehow worth more than a mile-long carrier hull based on the exchange rate. Way to break immersion on top of every thing else that fails SO HARD about this mess of MT rubbish.
Ulair Memmet ORIGIN SYSTEMS	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:41:00 - [839] What the F**K CCP are you crazy???? A piece of clothing shouldnt surpass 5$/4Ç WOW EPIC FAIL --------------------------------------------------
Khaed Duhn Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:46:00 - [840] One request, if these prices do stay this high can CCP add in a 'point and laugh' emote for when we get a chance to interact with anybody dumb enough to buy these items. Oh yeah and monocle or death ? ...hmm... death please , it's like a reverse Eddie Izzard or something.

Arand Nersar	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:47:00 - [841] Nex prices are good it means no one will use it and plex prices wall crash. They could fix cq by reducing prices by 10*, having shift for run and q,e strafe. i am happy with the fail it lowers plex prices.
Karontin Maysubile	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:47:00 - [842] Originally by: Atedar Kerane I'm not as angry about the NEX prices as I'm worried about the future of CCP They must be in some serious financial trouble to pull off a stunt like this. I've seen other games offering vanity items before, and I found those to be overpriced. Seems like I was wrong... I believe I've now truly learned the meaning of the word "overpriced". If CCP wanted to make money off of this they would drop the prices so everyone and their dog would buy one. At the current rates they won't even sell enough cover the expense of creating them. I am going to assume this is a mistake in the conversion rate until I hear some CCP input on this. Best guess is we are supposed to get 10x the amount of Aurum per PLEX than the current exchange rate. If that is the case I'm not sure how they are going to make it up to those who have already converted/spent the Aurum.
Sedilis Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:48:00 - [843] Nicely done CCP. If I want to buy a vanity item I don't want every noob to have it. @ the whiners... STOP BEING SO TERRIBLE AT EVE AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM
L Salander	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:49:00 - [844] It costs the same (or more) to buy an in game pixel shirt as it does to buy a real life one? eve is in roo-ins I hope this is just a case of someone multiplying by ten instead of dividing when setting up a discount
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:50:00 - [845] Originally by: Sedilis Nicely done CCP. If I want to buy a vanity item I don't want every noob to have it. @ the whiners... STOP BEING SO TERRIBLE AT EVE AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM buying a dread for 1.6b and suicide warping it to low sec gates > monocles .......... fly safe or dont
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:50:00 - [846] Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen on 22/06/2011 09:56:18 Originally by: Atedar Kerane I'm not as angry about the NEX prices as I'm worried about the future of CCP They must be in some serious financial trouble to pull off a stunt like this. I've seen other games offering vanity items before, and I found those to be overpriced. Seems like I was wrong... I believe I've now truly learned the meaning of the word "overpriced". "overpriced" in other games they may be, but they sell like hotcakes. CCP isn't gambling as to whether or not they'll sell. They have an economist and team of marketing experts going off actual sales data across the MMO market to support this. They will probably sell a good number of vanity items in Eve too, if people give it few days for all the screaming and panic to subside. Most people are still too busy replacing their graphics cards, when they're done spending that RL money they'll spend it on vanity junk. Everyone saying that the high prices of AURUM items somehow spells CCP's doom is basing this on the false assumption that CCP is relying on the AURUM to keep their game afloat. I think its pretty damn obvious that they cant support their game on MT, not at these prices, and not with less than a dozen items in the NeX, but they've always been frank that that's not the aim. Too bad everyone thinks they know CCP's intentions better than CCP. Can anyone show me where CCP has stated that "micro" transactions (lets stop splitting hairs and just say cash bought items, micro/macro whatever) were supposed to be the new income model?? As in, replace subscription fees? EDIT: And yes, I'm perfectly aware that DUST will not involve subscription fees, and will involve only micro transactions. I don't want to hear that silly counter. If you're already panicking cause think your DUST rifle will cost the same as an EVE monocle, I've got a Navy Issue Dominix to sell you in Jita for only 200 mil isk....its a steal.
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:52:00 - [847] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Originally by: Atedar Kerane I'm not as angry about the NEX prices as I'm worried about the future of CCP They must be in some serious financial trouble to pull off a stunt like this. I've seen other games offering vanity items before, and I found those to be overpriced. Seems like I was wrong... I believe I've now truly learned the meaning of the word "overpriced". "overpriced" in other games they may be, but they sell like hotcakes. CCP isn't gambling as to whether or not they'll sell. They have an economist and team of marketing experts going off actual sales data across the MMO market to support this. They will probably sell a good number of vanity items in Eve too, if people give it few days for all the screaming and panic to subside. Most people are still too busy replacing their graphics cards, when they're done spending that RL money they'll spend it on vanity junk. Everyone saying that the high prices of AURUM items somehow spells CCP's doom is basing this on the false assumption that CCP is relying on the AURUM to keep their game afloat. I think its pretty damn obvious that they cant support their game on MT, not at these prices, and not with less than a dozen items in the NeX, but they've always been frank that that's not the aim. Too bad everyone thinks they know CCP's intentions better than CCP. Can anyone show me where CCP has stated that "micro" transactions (lets stop splitting hairs and just say cash bought items, micro/macro whatever) were supposed to be the new income model?? As in, replace subscription fees? so we are down to market analysts and economists to design expansions ? O.o fly safe
Tanaka Kharn	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:53:00 - [848] Lol wut ccp ? If I could right now i would naked protest. Dumb F$$ks
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:53:00 - [849] CCP **** on us all from a great height and now expect you to eat it and tell them it tastes good WELL DOES IT? CCP is now apparently run by Monty Burns - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN!
Reidsol Blood Covenant	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:54:00 - [850] Originally by: Ishnadriel Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25 I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... Maybe u ghay, Barbie Online lovers won't f u c k up the PLEX prices so much. Actualy u will think about selling those PLEXes to some1 who actualy wants to play spaceships in a spaceship game instead buying whatever for insane amount of money. Probably these guys won't have to pay 1b for a PLEX. Keep it up CCP.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:55:00 - [851] Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 09:55:27 Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Can anyone show me where CCP has stated that "micro" transactions (lets stop splitting hairs and just say cash bought items, micro/macro whatever) were supposed to be the new income model?? As in, replace subscription fees? I don't think anyone is claiming that. People are saying they're a supplemental income model (which in and of itself has annoyed quite a few through the logic of if you already pay for the game, why do you have to pay even more to get all the content?). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Simanti	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:56:00 - [852] hmm, this is the equivalent of the US Fifth fleet docking in Singapore and swapping two carriers and a submarine for a pair of bermuda shorts. I guess the reason my door to the station is locked must be due to all the muggings that take place so peeps can swap a stolen shirt for a Navy Megga or three? Seriously guys - you advertise this expansion as an enhancement to the "imersive" experience, a shirt that costs more than a galaxy crossing starship smacks of a RL money grab and in no way adds to my imersive experience !
Rai Fulminata	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:57:00 - [853] Edited by: Rai Fulminata on 22/06/2011 09:57:02 That's what they call "good game design". Nice job, CCP. As an experienced social game developer i salute you.
Calisto Thellere	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:58:00 - [854] Surely they misplaced a decimal point somewhere right? right? In a micro transaction world, $80 is NOT micro, $8 yeah, but $80? C'mon lol I remember when Microsoft brought out their stupid avatars in an update to appeal to the casuals ( shudder ) You could/can buy outfits and game props for micro transaction, most expensive being about ú9 ( $12 or so ) and people bought them in the masses, including myself but that was because they were affordable. If those items were ú90 then MS would be laughed off the scene, exactly whats going to happen to CCP if those prices are NOT an error and are infact correct. If thats the case, then good luck CCP on making any money on this at all, that said, there will always be morons with more money than sense who will go against the grain and buy this stuff. To them, good luck and enjoy your worthless prop, i'll be in space playing pewpewpew on a pewpewpew space game. That is what EVE is right?......
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:00:00 - [855] Originally by: James Hawkins so we are down to market analysts and economists to design expansions ? O.o fly safe I certainly hope that CCP employs these types, and takes their opinion into consideration. Without money management and a growth outlook, CCP and EVE would not exist, and no one in these forums would have anything to complain about in the first place. This is business management 101. You cant fault them for actually making sure their game will continue to profit in the changing market. Not if you actually want a game to play.
Shalia Ripper Caldari The Elevens	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:00:00 - [856] Edited by: Shalia Ripper on 22/06/2011 10:02:21 Easy fix. Make 1 plex = 35000 Aurum and this all gets instantly better. Then the $350-400 worth of items in the MEAGER NEX are not longer stupidly priced. P.S. Right now, this is horribly broken.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:03:00 - [857] Btw, in all of this, where's the actually EVE-themed clothing we saw in the Incarna/WIS/Ambulation previews from 2-3 years ago? The stuff I might actually have considered spending a few hundred AUR on? It's nice and all that they're consulting fashion designers, but are they going to produce early '10s-style fashion or EVE fashion? People are still looking for the return of the designs we saw in the old character creator, because they fit the mood and setting of the game far better than anything the current clothes selection (including the NeX) has to offer. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:04:00 - [858] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Originally by: James Hawkins so we are down to market analysts and economists to design expansions ? O.o fly safe I certainly hope that CCP employs these types, and takes their opinion into consideration. Without money management and a growth outlook, CCP and EVE would not exist, and no one in these forums would have anything to complain about in the first place. This is business management 101. You cant fault them for actually making sure their game will continue to profit in the changing market. Not if you actually want a game to play. but i can fault them for trying to milk a loyal memberbase that already IS PAYING for the game by either buying PLEXs to convert or by simply paying a monthly sub fee .... fly safe PS: and if 50% of the """content""" in this expansion is about making money off of the players ... well i fault em even more ...
Andrei Vassaliev Cursed Inc. Not Found.	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:04:00 - [859] Edited by: Andrei Vassaliev on 22/06/2011 10:07:11 Edited by: Andrei Vassaliev on 22/06/2011 10:06:29 Easy fix: boycott NEX market and f* this CCP scam. 80$, or even 8$, are unacceptable for a f*ing virtual pant. WTF CCP?
Scyth Darkhope Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:06:00 - [860] WTF !?!?!? Cloth made of bits is more expensive than real cloth? This is outrageous and an insult to undeveloped countries.

Arand Nersar	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:09:00 - [861] u can buy a few games for the cost of a vanity item.
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:11:00 - [862] Edited by: The Offerer on 22/06/2011 10:15:41 Edited by: The Offerer on 22/06/2011 10:14:11 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda UGH IM SO ****ED OFF BECAUSE CCP IS FORCING ME TO BUY THESE CLOTHES WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY/ISK AND EVERYONE WILL THINK I'M GAY BECAUSE I WAS FORCED TO BUY THIS AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE GAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUY IT TOO-- What? We don't have to buy it? You sure? so if you eat at a taco bell. and they start selling taco with human meat. and chrage like 400$ a taco. It's ok becuase you don't have to buy that taco?becuase the other menu is still there? It's morally wrong to eat human meat, but it's not morally wrong to take money from rich or stupid people. The first group can afford it anyway and the second don't need the money anyway. Oh... and it's your choice: http://store.eveonline.com/Amarr-T-shirt-P74.aspx @ $14.99 or a more expensive pixel version in game
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:12:00 - [863] Originally by: Arand Nersar u can buy a few games for the cost of a vanity item. 18 months and all we got were some turrets and a room. Listen, I payed some good subscription fees, and CCP made an embarrassing store and rap video. Corporate douchebags.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:13:00 - [864] Originally by: Calisto Thellere that said, there will always be morons with more money than sense who will go against the grain and buy this stuff. To them, good luck and enjoy your worthless prop, i'll be in space playing pewpewpew on a pewpewpew space game. That is what EVE is right?...... I was about to go off about XBOX live community and EVE community being about as comparable as apples and oranges, but this is actually a really good point. There will always be morons with more money than sense, and who want to buy this stuff. There is also morons with more isk than sense, and scammers profit off them every day in New Eden. What is hilarious is players playing a game of ruthless capitalistic freedom whining that they are being "ruthlessly capitalized" on. Here's a pro tip - the reason you always see those autocannons and ships on the market for what others see as laughable prices.....is cause they actually sell. Sooner or later, someone actually takes the bait, gets drunk, makes a mistake, and a profit is made. CCP isn't even pulling a bait and switch. They never promised two dollar monocles, and the price on the NeX is for what you're actually getting. Yes, your monocle will actually cost you a carrier. People will buy these. And CCP may even chuckle a little to themselves and enjoy the extra cash. But guess what, its their game, they can do that. Like you said, most people will still be in space playing the pew pew game. I know I will. Monocles wont hurt me one bit.
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:16:00 - [865] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Originally by: Calisto Thellere that said, there will always be morons with more money than sense who will go against the grain and buy this stuff. To them, good luck and enjoy your worthless prop, i'll be in space playing pewpewpew on a pewpewpew space game. That is what EVE is right?...... I was about to go off about XBOX live community and EVE community being about as comparable as apples and oranges, but this is actually a really good point. There will always be morons with more money than sense, and who want to buy this stuff. There is also morons with more isk than sense, and scammers profit off them every day in New Eden. What is hilarious is players playing a game of ruthless capitalistic freedom whining that they are being "ruthlessly capitalized" on. Here's a pro tip - the reason you always see those autocannons and ships on the market for what others see as laughable prices.....is cause they actually sell. Sooner or later, someone actually takes the bait, gets drunk, makes a mistake, and a profit is made. CCP isn't even pulling a bait and switch. They never promised two dollar monocles, and the price on the NeX is for what you're actually getting. Yes, your monocle will actually cost you a carrier. People will buy these. And CCP may even chuckle a little to themselves and enjoy the extra cash. But guess what, its their game, they can do that. Like you said, most people will still be in space playing the pew pew game. I know I will. Monocles wont hurt me one bit. so 1. those morons will buy stuff for aurum 2. CCP realizes "Hey this works out fine" 3. ... 4. CCP adds more content for morons and none for the "real" spaceship pilots that loved this game since it started in 03 yay for no real content in the upcoming years fly safe
Kane Molou	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:18:00 - [866] For those saying 'its not expensive'.. Ok here is the 'facts' of that it's not expensive. No matter how YOU get your PLEX some one has spent anywhere from 15.95 - 19.95$US (Depending on how they got it / where from etc). Now simple math alone tells you that if 1 PLEX costs 16.00$ for nice rounding sake, and 1 Plex Buys you 3,500AUR that means that 3,500AUR is worth .... that's right 16$US real life money.. real life value, 3,500AUR = 1 months subscription.. no if/but or anything else. Now that means that 1 AUR = 0.0045USD, which is yes a small amount.. until you look at the items and realise that there is NOTHING really there for anything short of 3,000 AUR so the minimum amount you have to spend is (i'm not logged into eve at present obviously) 3,200 AUR which = 14.40$USD that is -NOT- in most peoples minds a micro transaction, especially when fo the same price from SONY (the normal price gougers) you can pick up a vanity mount for that price, or.. what 2 sets of clothing that being head, chest, pants, boots, cloak etc. On Star Trek online that amount will get you a ship + an extra race. On second life that price = a decent amount of Linkin which is then spent on items CREATED by the player base so it's Fueling the PLAYER economy. The current pricing is a joke, especially when some items are costing 4 - 5 plex.. that's 4 - 5 months of subscription! And to top it off CCP is unwilling to post openly up here about the prices and the one person who has spoken about it in chat earlier made out like hey we are money grabbing A$$holes wanting to peeve you off.. but you can't call him on it because that's a personal attack and they will close your thread. CCP needs to openly address the issue, today not next week, because after the Developers 99$ stuff, the out right 'well the CSM is behind us on all this on multipul issues (from jump bridges - hey lets give the ship for cash) (Which we've found out that the CSM wasn't even told parts of this if seleene is to be believed)' and now this itself.. CCP needs to make an offical statement on if they are just after cash now and if not WHY the pricing is that high it might as well be a joke.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:26:00 - [867] Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 22/06/2011 10:28:59 Originally by: Kane Molou Now simple math alone tells you that if 1 PLEX costs 16.00$ for nice rounding sake, and 1 Plex Buys you 3,500AUR that means that 3,500AUR is worth .... that's right 16$US real life money.. real life value, 3,500AUR = 1 months subscription.. no if/but or anything else. It's a one way process only. 15 dollars will get you one PLEX. But one PLEX is worth nothing at all in the real world, not even 30 days of game time. (Check your EULA.) The people you should be raging at are the ones who are throwing away isk buying PLEX in the first place. (Maybe we should retitle this thread: PLEX buyers face uncomfortable truths about internet spaceships). Honestly, the best part about the monocle debate is that many of the people outraged about the cost of monocles would spend thousands on a titan if they had the chance.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:28:00 - [868] Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen on 22/06/2011 10:29:13 Originally by: James Hawkins so 1. those morons will buy stuff for aurum 2. CCP realizes "Hey this works out fine" 3. ... 4. CCP adds more content for morons and none for the "real" spaceship pilots that loved this game since it started in 03 yay for no real content in the upcoming years fly safe Put your money where your mouth is - lets sign a gentlemen's agreement, with Chribba notarizing. If after 2 calendar years from today's date, and your predictions are correct and there is no new content other than in the NeX store, you can have all my stuff. As in, all my assets, wallet, ships, on all my accounts, and I'll transfer all my characters to your accounts. If after two calendar years, there are new developments OTHER than more micro transactions in EvE, you will give me all your stuffs, characters, ships, isk, accounts. Whichever one of us is wrong, has to start over from scratch, or ragequit in a fit of tears and shame. And yes, I'm quite serious.
Shaemell Buttleson Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:30:00 - [869] Think I'm going to watch this for a few weeks before I make any comments. * Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. - CCP Ildoge
Larik Olen	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:30:00 - [870] 29 page threadnaught within 24 hours and no proper CCP response? Disgusting.

Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:32:00 - [871] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen What is hilarious is players playing a game of ruthless capitalistic freedom whining that they are being "ruthlessly capitalized" on. I like the fact that even the most vociferous defender of CCP in this thread is comparing them to Jita scammers. Here's a tip for you, brosiris: nobody likes Jita scammers.
Seako Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:33:00 - [872] Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen What is hilarious is players playing a game of ruthless capitalistic freedom whining that they are being "ruthlessly capitalized" on. I like the fact that even the most vociferous defender of CCP in this thread is comparing them to Jita scammers. Here's a tip for you, brosiris: nobody likes Jita scammers. Agree!
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:34:00 - [873] Originally by: Blane Xero So, CCP isn't greedy at all eh? i don't wanna over-react or anything but CCP can suck my **ing **! i'm out....
Alexi Blue Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:35:00 - [874] Have to repost this reply from the other thread... Regarding the high price of monocle: Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder. ---
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:36:00 - [875] Originally by: Larik Olen 29 page threadnaught within 24 hours and no proper CCP response? Disgusting. Here is your CCP response: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=1#11 Just leave your tears by the door.
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:36:00 - [876] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen on 22/06/2011 10:29:13 Originally by: James Hawkins so 1. those morons will buy stuff for aurum 2. CCP realizes "Hey this works out fine" 3. ... 4. CCP adds more content for morons and none for the "real" spaceship pilots that loved this game since it started in 03 yay for no real content in the upcoming years fly safe Put your money where your mouth is - lets sign a gentlemen's agreement, with Chribba notarizing. If after 2 calendar years from today's date, and your predictions are correct and there is no new content other than in the NeX store, you can have all my stuff. As in, all my assets, wallet, ships, on all my accounts, and I'll transfer all my characters to your accounts. If after two calendar years, there are new developments OTHER than more micro transactions in EvE, you will give me all your stuffs, characters, ships, isk, accounts. Whichever one of us is wrong, has to start over from scratch, or ragequit in a fit of tears and shame. And yes, I'm quite serious. im sorry to tell you but i already made my decision and i dont think ill be here anymore in 2 years .... why ? poor content, lost interest in general oh and the fact RMTing websites actually selling CCPs property wont get shut down fly safe PS btw the RMTing websites and the rates in the NEX might possibly be the end to eve as we know it ;) (imagine you dont have to spend 80$ on PLEX but can spend 40$ on the isk to aqcuire PLEX ingame to get your monocle or Dodixie Droners Baseball cap or whatever there will be)
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:38:00 - [877] Wasn't this real content thing going on 18 months ago?
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:39:00 - [878] Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 22/06/2011 10:42:07 Originally by: James Hawkins PS btw the RMTing websites and the rates in the NEX might possibly be the end to eve as we know it ;) (imagine you dont have to spend 80$ on PLEX but can spend 40$ on the isk to aqcuire PLEX ingame to get your monocle or Dodixie Droners Baseball cap or whatever there will be) Let me blow your mind. Imagine you can buy isk from an RMT site and use that isk to buy PLEX to pay your sub. Imagine. That. Is your mind blown? Ok, you're now caught up to every other eve player in the game. (as of when PLEX and even GTC buying was implemented.) - I sure didn't see the game ending then, and it's not going to end now over some expensive monocles.
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:41:00 - [879] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: James Hawkins PS btw the RMTing websites and the rates in the NEX might possibly be the end to eve as we know it ;) (imagine you dont have to spend 80$ on PLEX but can spend 40$ on the isk to aqcuire PLEX ingame to get your monocle or Dodixie Droners Baseball cap or whatever there will be) Let me blow your mind. Imagine you can buy isk from an RMT site and use that isk to buy PLEX to pay your sub. Imagine. That. Is your mind blown? no it just proves my point of leaving eve cause CCP gives a **** about enforcing the EULA and hence gets those ISK farmers botters into the game fly safe
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:43:00 - [880] Originally by: James Hawkins Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: James Hawkins PS btw the RMTing websites and the rates in the NEX might possibly be the end to eve as we know it ;) (imagine you dont have to spend 80$ on PLEX but can spend 40$ on the isk to aqcuire PLEX ingame to get your monocle or Dodixie Droners Baseball cap or whatever there will be) Let me blow your mind. Imagine you can buy isk from an RMT site and use that isk to buy PLEX to pay your sub. Imagine. That. Is your mind blown? no it just proves my point of leaving eve cause CCP gives a **** about enforcing the EULA and hence gets those ISK farmers botters into the game fly safe I think it just proves you're slow. Because when this was implemented -several years ago- it didn't end the game.

sirtradealot	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:43:00 - [881] In 1 day CCP has made me properly HATE them. They dropped even below Blizzard in terms of greed and idiocy, that's quite a feat!
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:45:00 - [882] Originally by: sirtradealot In 1 day CCP has made me properly HATE them. They dropped even below Blizzard in terms of greed and idiocy, that's quite a feat! CCP understands the communities deep seated yearning for discount monocles and will be reaching out to washer and bolt manufacturers in an attempt to meet your needs.
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:46:00 - [883] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: James Hawkins Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: James Hawkins PS btw the RMTing websites and the rates in the NEX might possibly be the end to eve as we know it ;) (imagine you dont have to spend 80$ on PLEX but can spend 40$ on the isk to aqcuire PLEX ingame to get your monocle or Dodixie Droners Baseball cap or whatever there will be) Let me blow your mind. Imagine you can buy isk from an RMT site and use that isk to buy PLEX to pay your sub. Imagine. That. Is your mind blown? no it just proves my point of leaving eve cause CCP gives a ** about enforcing the EULA and hence gets those ISK farmers botters into the game fly safe I think it just proves you're slow. Because when this was implemented -several years ago- it didn't end the game. PLEX mightve not broken the game BUT it gave ppl a reason to bot or buy isk cheaper on ebay or whereever to actually play for less than regular ppl NEX imo is another reason for boosting the RMT "market" ... why ? due to the obvious overpriced ** in the NEX.... fly and die
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:47:00 - [884] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Let me blow your mind. Imagine you can buy isk from an RMT site and use that isk to buy PLEX to pay your sub. Imagine. That. Is your mind blown? [Does a Keanu Reeves impression].......WHOA.
Lovebot N00BS R US Talocan United	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:48:00 - [885] There is Bug with the Noble Exchange Market. After you buy some stuff, there is no field to enter the delivery informations :( At those Prices, this items must be RL Items, right? So, i await them to be delivered to my house. Please fix the order form, so General Parcel can deliver if i order some Glass eye or skirt, kthxbye
Beor0d Minmatar Krupp-Stahl Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:48:00 - [886] You don't like it? Then don't buy it! You think it is to expensive? Don't buy it! Monocles doesn't fit your hair color? Don't buy it! When will people stop whining about things they don't even buy. BTW: You can buy PLEX on the market so its actually not even $80, just some PLEX _______________________ Support me and buy a GTC
Kane Molou	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:49:00 - [887] Originally by: Alexi Blue Have to repost this reply from the other thread... Regarding the high price of monocle: Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder. Amazing isn't it how CCP Can troll and generally be Smart ass's but any one else gets 'warned'. Guard: No offense here but rather then making comments which could be considered smart assed, how about actually giving us some real feedback, like ohhh i don't know how about..... why the prices are such a joke, the real reasoning behind it.. your acting just as bad as a certain other dev in the help channel last night.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:49:00 - [888] Originally by: Beor0d You don't like it? Then don't buy it! You think it is to expensive? Don't buy it! Monocles doesn't fit your hair color? Don't buy it! Don't read the thread? Then don't respond to it! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Aisha Ravenwood	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:50:00 - [889] and still no response from CCP.. why are these prices so high? if items where 100 or 200 each people would actually use them...
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:53:00 - [890] Originally by: James Hawkins PLEX mightve not broken the game BUT it gave ppl a reason to bot or buy isk cheaper on ebay or whereever to actually play for less than regular ppl NEX imo is another reason for boosting the RMT "market" ... why ? due to the obvious overpriced ** in the NEX.... fly and die C'mon. This is an old gripe, let's see some data to back up your wild speculation. Give me some reliable data that RMT/botting is destroying the economy, or that everyone is going to ebay for isk instead of the PLEX market. Better yet, just stop wasting your time ***ing about a game you're already sworn to quit anyways. You say you've been ripped off, betrayed, that your days here are numbered, clearly you're not interested in giving them the contructive criticism they'll actually respond to. Do the honorable thing, and just bow out. fly and have fun or gtfo

Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:55:00 - [891] The prices are just to high for a vanity item. I mean seriously if it was for a special ship or module or something that had a real impact in game it might be worth considering. But at these prices I don't see why anyone would want to waste their isk or Rl money on it. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. [orange]Your signature is to
Shardivh	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:57:00 - [892] Imagine how much furniture for your CQ is going to cost O.o If we've established that NEX prices are about double real world prices, then a decent sofa will set you back... 3 grand?
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:58:00 - [893] Originally by: Mecinia Lua The prices are just to high for a vanity item. It's a vanity item, how can you place a specific value on an item that by definition does nothing at all?
Syme Gallente Umbra Scientia Muneris	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:58:00 - [894] Ok so a lot of people donÆt seem to understand retail marketing. CCP are doing exactly the right thing in releasing the first collection at exorbitant prices. The early adopters and fashion fanatics will pay over the odds for something that is new even if it is useless. Think of the initial offerings as the Christian Dior catwalk range; the next will be the Ralph Lauren ready to wear preppy range and then there will be other ranges going all the way down to WallMart/Matalan/C&A made in Bangladesh cheap stuff. As has been pointed out, none of these vanity items will make a jot of difference until the air quality in stations has been sorted out and we can actually socialise with each other in bars, casinos or public toilets etc. Only if by then the cheaper clothing hasnÆt been released will I be aggravated. PS. Not that I undock much these days anyway
SoylentGreen Rinah	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:59:00 - [895] When can we mug people in stations for their eye wear?
Nikki West	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:01:00 - [896] Originally by: SoylentGreen Rinah When can we mug people in stations for their eye wear? WTS Monocle insurance EVE-Mail for more info and rates!
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:02:00 - [897] Edited by: Terianna Eri on 22/06/2011 11:04:59 These prices are a **ing joke and anybody stupid enough to pay them deserves to be milked out of as much of their hard-earned money as they possibly can. For the low low price of $15-30 USD I could buy a nice shirt for my in-game character... OR I COULD GO TO THE STORE AND BUY A REAL SHIRT FOR MYSELF CCP, are you admitting that your game has gone so far downhill that a virtual skirt - that, mind you, NOBODY ELSE CAN SEE since we're limited to captain's quarters - is more valuable than a month spent of game time? P.S. With prices like these, no wonder nobody would give us any indication of what the prices would be like before now, not on the forums, not during the Q&A during the alliance tournament, not anywhere. Protip, CCP - if you're trying to hide something that you know we won't like, maybe you should reconsider releasing it P.P.S. I feel bad for your content developers spending ALL THIS TIME (lol developing what, like 8 items?) that nobody will ever see. (I don't actually feel bad for them) ________________ Originally by:** CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Pippgirl Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:02:00 - [898] aaaand there goes my 2 accounts. No loss for CCP, but I refuse to be part of this. CCP should spend more time focusing on what this game is really about; Spaceships. You can't have my stuff, cause I sold all of it to buy vanity items which I burned. I hope you fall into a vulcano CCP.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:05:00 - [899] Originally by: Aisha Ravenwood and still no response from CCP.. why are these prices so high? if items where 100 or 200 each people would actually use them... Because the developers have said it in plain English. Be respectful, or be ignored. This will be the most ignored threadnought ever, and for good reason, cause CCP is not interested in catering to trolls. And even if you have constructive, respectful, criticism, this is not a good thread to post it in. Because 90% of the posts in here have been like "go to hell CCP devs go frak yourself you pieces of slaver hound ****" Which means it was placed on CCP's "Do not respond" list about a dozen comments in. There should seriously be no shock or surprise at all that CCP is ignoring this thread, and any others that start out as childishly as "WTFCCPUSUCK".
Slatiska Wolfovna	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:06:00 - [900] It's a shame we don't have stats to see how people are reacting about the new market, here on the forum is a minority, but I would be curious to see if we're the only one being shocked by the price.

Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:06:00 - [901] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Mecinia Lua The prices are just to high for a vanity item. It's a vanity item, how can you place a specific value on an item that by definition does nothing at all? That's kinda my point, I could buy the ETC and convert to PLEX and just sell the PLEX for isk and get ships/mods etc which is far more useful in game than the vanity items. I mean you could buy a carrier and fully fit it for the price of the monocle. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. [orange]Your signature is to
Raneru Euphoria Released	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:08:00 - [902] I have to agree, the pricing is crazy. I would have expected standard items of clothing to cost no more than $1-2. People crazy enough may be persuaded to pay more for an ultra rare officer modified monocle though.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:10:00 - [903] Originally by: Mecinia Lua That's kinda my point, I could buy the ETC and convert to PLEX and just sell the PLEX for isk and get ships/mods etc which is far more useful in game than the vanity items. I mean you could buy a carrier and fully fit it for the price of the monocle. But by definition, ships and mods would be far more useful in game than vanity items REGARDLESS of the price.
BugraT WarheaD Astromechanica Federatis	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:11:00 - [904] CCP seriously ... First CQ is a disaster for many reasons (and i'm a pro-Inarna) ... now this ...
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:11:00 - [905] Originally by: Syme Ok so a lot of people donÆt seem to understand retail marketing. Clearly, the point of retail marketing is to enrage your customers. Yes. I am glad someone understands it. It's funny, every single argument I've seen so far in favour of this travesty is quasi-academic. One would almost be inclined to think the people defending CCP in this matter are autistic or something.
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:11:00 - [906] Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 22/06/2011 11:12:07 Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Mecinia Lua The prices are just to high for a vanity item. It's a vanity item, how can you place a specific value on an item that by definition does nothing at all? Simple, by looking at it from an Real life view. Are you willing to spend 80 dollars on a monocle in real life that does nothing at all, maybe you would. Are you willing to spend 80 dollars on a monocle in a video game, that does nothing at all and which has no function nor purpose in the game. AND which you do not ACTUALLY LEGALLY OWN! The only reason RMT works in other games is because: A. In a multi-player environment, with only a limited selection of characters, people want to stand out. In EVE there is currently no such multi-player environment, and all characters look differently because of the character customization options. While this model might still work in EVE, it would only be successfull if the prices of these vanity items are low enough ( a few dollars AT MOST ) and not as outrageously expensive as they are right now. B. It allows a player to more quickly reach a certain goal (like unlock a character in League of Legends) then if that player would grind up unlock points. If EVE ever got this kind of system, I'd LEAVE and never come back. EVE is not about BUYING your way into a better ship. Buying a plex and then selling it on the market is one thing. Buying a improved version of a ship, or an implant, or a booster, or god forbid actual SKILLPOINTS from a RMT cash shop would be the worst change CCP could ever implement into the game. It would spell the end of EVE. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:13:00 - [907] You're all misunderstanding the POINT of vanity items. They're for your vanity. Which means that if they're ubiquitous, then they're worthless. You need to have really expensive vanity items, just to rub salt in the wounds of the worthless scrubs you're upstaging.
dreynerex	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:15:00 - [908] Obviously CCP is trying to turn EVE into Second Life and while they're at it why not charge ridiculous prices for fancy clothes and useless things like monocles?Now for that isk one could you know actually play internet spaceships instead of watching his character spin around in a crapy half lit room. After several years of playing this i think emphasis should be on flying in space improving its quality and not this joke.
Larik Olen	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:15:00 - [909] Originally by: Beor0d You don't like it? Then don't buy it! You think it is to expensive? Don't buy it! Monocles doesn't fit your hair color? Don't buy it! When will people stop whining about things they don't even buy. BTW: You can buy PLEX on the market so its actually not even $80, just some PLEX I'm not even gonna start on the impressively flawed logic of your last statement. As to the 'don't buy it' response, you're right - I won't be. But at some point in the future (like, when we've got more than one room to walk around in) I might change my mind. If prices remain at this level the entire thing will be a colossal failure; if I ever were to change my mind I sure as hell wouldn't be paying more for a pixel shirt than I would for a real-life shirt. If nothing else, this speaks volumes about CCP's lack of understanding, not just regarding the vast majority of the eve playerbase (after all the MT rage, they really thought that charging more than a Dreadnaught for a single monocle would be ok? Or a month's sub or more for a skirt?!), but to the reality of the microtransaction model they're attempting to emulate. MT's work best when they are small enough to provoke impulse purchases ('its only a few quid, what the hell') in games/systems where there is no or almost no up-front fee model. Players of F2P games are more likely to buy MT items as they're not already paying for a subscription - to make MT work alongside an existing subscription model means setting MT prices low enough so that people don't feel they're 'paying twice', and also low enough in terms of comparable price to other 'items' (MT or not) which may be bought in game. You cannot seriously tell me that the monocle should hold the same isk value as a Dread (to use that example), no matter how 'complex the technology is', or whatever lame excuse was trotted out in the help channel - or a month's subscription. Because those comparisons exist, be it Dread or month's sub, not to mention the fact that RL clothing is actually cheaper, rage is inevitable. The fact that CCP are forging blissfully ahead in the face of huge player anger and an obviously flawed understanding of how the MT model could be applied to EVE is the most frightening thing imo. I live in a WH and could care less about shirts - all this patch means to me really is new turret gfx - but I do care that CCP seem intent on ruining a new 'feature' before it's barely out of the door.
Halaster Blackcloak SEA FRIENDS	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:16:00 - [910] i rather buy a vindicator, i heard they can pretty much solo the tournament

Tanaka Kharn	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:17:00 - [911] 2nd only to boot.ini? On CCP failscale ?
Pneumon Blaster Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation THE R0NIN	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:18:00 - [912] this is just joke
Seako Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:20:00 - [913] http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/21/controversy-brewing-over-eve-online-microtransactions/ Nice PR you get around the world CCP!
Ay Liz Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:20:00 - [914] 31 pages and no CCP reply
Jaroslav Unwanted	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:21:00 - [915] cross-post... / i gave it some thought. If you cant afford it dont buy it simple. I find it extremely amusing that people call bull**** on the choice of price those vanity items, are basically the one who wanted it that way. Calling out for bad concept of micro-transactions etc. Here you are you got macro ultra transaction model for those who can afford it, with no addition to gameplay. Your dream come true. For those who wanted it to be micro-transaction as an addition to lets say or let go Role Play style. I am sorry.
Nilania Telshua Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:21:00 - [916] Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 22/06/2011 11:24:22 Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen This will be the most ignored threadnought ever, and for good reason, cause CCP is not interested in catering to trolls. Yeah because in Public Relations there is this golden rule, which says: Ignoring your stakeholders is a good thing... Before you start to argue that 900+ voices are just a part of the playerbase, be so kind to remember that this part seems to be very activist, very vocal and are therefore likely to be opinion leaders in their social circles in game. Every person in this thread multiplies his/her opinion to quite a few more. If you noticed by the way the **storm is not only raging in this thread, but in the majority of feedback threads on the forums. I have never in all my years in EVE seen something close to this nearly univocal negativity and agressiveness as response to an expansion. Originally by:** James Lyrus You're all misunderstanding the POINT of vanity items. ... You need to have really expensive vanity items, just to rub salt in the wounds of the worthless scrubs you're upstaging. So vanity means the wish to be humiliated, because the only reaction that someone wearing an $80 pixel-monocle will get is laughter and lots and lots of grief when it appears on a killmail.
Edward Olmops	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:22:00 - [917] C'mon folks! Don't be so mad and cheer up a bit. Surely you don't have considered the upside of this whole thing: with those monocles, we can easily identify those who are filthy rich and a bit ******ed. :-D Ideal targets for the scam of the week!
Xterea	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:24:00 - [918] Originally by: Blane Xero So, CCP isn't greedy at all eh? I think that making products dramatically overpriced does not help you much if you are greedy, it reduces profits.
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:25:00 - [919] Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted cross-post... / i gave it some thought. If you cant afford it dont buy it simple. I find it extremely amusing that people call bull**** on the choice of price those vanity items, are basically the one who wanted it that way. Calling out for bad concept of micro-transactions etc. Here you are you got macro ultra transaction model for those who can afford it, with no addition to gameplay. Your dream come true. For those who wanted it to be micro-transaction as an addition to lets say or let go Role Play style. I am sorry. let's just call it MEGA-transactions from now on...
Ludacrys	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:25:00 - [920] PLEX prices take a dive in 3...2...1...

Kronir	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:26:00 - [921] Just for a laugh: A Google Search for Internet content from the past 24hrs: "Eve Online Monocle"
Hitomi Fargazer	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:27:00 - [922] Originally by: Beor0d BTW: You can buy PLEX on the market so its actually not even $80, just some PLEX but it is... every plex on the market has been paid for with real money by someone
Arcathra Minmatar Technodyne Ltd.	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:30:00 - [923] Edited by: Arcathra on 22/06/2011 11:30:45 Don't really want to rage about this, but if CCP really wants to make money with their macrotransactions, they should lower the price drastically. I'm against the whole item shop idea, but for reasonable prices I might even buy something. I always thought the SOE EQ2 Marketplace is very high priced, but the Noble Exchange beats it by far. And the NEX-Items even look worse than the standard clothes our characters have... lol.
Syme Gallente Umbra Scientia Muneris	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:31:00 - [924] Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Originally by: Syme Ok so a lot of people donÆt seem to understand retail marketing. Clearly, the point of retail marketing is to enrage your customers. Yes. I am glad someone understands it. It's funny, every single argument I've seen so far in favour of this travesty is quasi-academic. One would almost be inclined to think the people defending CCP in this matter are autistic or something. Perhaps it is because we arenÆt emotionally incontinent and like to engage our brains before spewing bile all over the forums. Rather than using a fashion analogy I should point out how Nvidia and ATI do things. Do they bring out their low end cards when they release a new range, or do they initially bring out their best performers (at prices I choke over) to capture those gamers who regularly change their cards? CCP are just doing the same.
Efraya Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:33:00 - [925] The clothes I'm wearing irl are cheaper than buying clothes for my toon..... Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Exus Die Trying Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:34:00 - [926] I couldnt just resist to support this thread. Price for these fancy pixels are just utterly unbelievable... You aint selling RL stuff CCP, you are selling PIXELS ! Which are clearly cheaper that what you think... You may have the older player population (age) but these ARE NOT the right prices for what you offer. Never, ever.
Ethan Blacknova Gallente Perkele Mining Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:36:00 - [927] Adding my voice. These prices are INSANE! Holy christ on a crutch! Look, this is horrifically overpriced garbage. How about you do something intelligent, CCP and add a zero. 1 Plex = 35,000 Aurum. One zero. 150,000 Happier people. Maybe these much happier people will buy 1 plex each at that price. 150,000 x 1 Plex (19.95 Euro) = 2,992,500 Euros! Three million euros! I want to spend money on Incarna, but because of your batsht insane pricing I can't. Do us a favour.*
The Hardman Amarr Uncle Fester's Olde Tyme Barbershoppe	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:37:00 - [928] CCP just needed to show Hydra who is boss.
Reloadin	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:37:00 - [929] This item that I simply must have is so expensive! Drop the prices CCP, and then go have a talk with Ferrari while you're at it.
Ospie The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:37:00 - [930] Originally by: Ay Liz 31 pages and no CCP reply ^ This TBH I think the prices are absurd, it's not just insulting to the average player (who won't pay these prices), but even from a financial point of view it's ridiculous. If they lowered the prices to 1/10 of what they are now they would end up making more profit than the current insane prices -.- I can only hope, although I know these prices probably were intentional, that this was a mistake.

Ender sup	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:39:00 - [931] "In a bizarre twist, many of the clothing options for sale at the Noble Exchange actually cost more than real clothes of the same type." CCP.. News flash: CCP will also offer your character the chance of going to college for the meager sum of 700.000 aurum.
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:40:00 - [932] Hahahahahahaha micro transactions lol Anyway guys, keep in mind scamming is legal in eve and apparently CCP likes to lead by example.. Ignore me Drone Guide EON 21 & 22
Marwood Ford	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:40:00 - [933] Originally by: Syme Ok so a lot of people donÆt seem to understand retail marketing. CCP are doing exactly the right thing in releasing the first collection at exorbitant prices. The early adopters and fashion fanatics will pay over the odds for something that is new even if it is useless. Think of the initial offerings as the Christian Dior catwalk range; the next will be the Ralph Lauren ready to wear preppy range and then there will be other ranges going all the way down to WallMart/Matalan/C&A made in Bangladesh cheap stuff. As has been pointed out, none of these vanity items will make a jot of difference until the air quality in stations has been sorted out and we can actually socialise with each other in bars, casinos or public toilets etc. Only if by then the cheaper clothing hasnÆt been released will I be aggravated. PS. Not that I undock much these days anyway I'm not really buying into this analogy. "Christian Dior" in this case, have a world monopoly on the entire clothing retail industry, clothes have literally no manufacturing cost, and the Wal-Mart equivalents will presumably have to be shoddily designed on purpose to lessen their value. Additionally, "Christian Dior" already give away free shirts and sell high end sports cars for the same price as a pair of shoes. I think most people do understand this, and think this it's... well, just plain dumb.
Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:40:00 - [934] Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder. Very unprofessional response concidering he is a representative of the company. He must have skipped the PR training class. I'm all for having a joke around and hanging some ****, but sometimes it isn't wise because you simply incite peoples ire, rather than lightening the mood.
Patches Donnarblizen	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:40:00 - [935] I love the game, but I'm really concernded about the direction eve is heading to... First, if some people say PLEX prices will get lower or stay the same, thats completely irrational. PLEX has now more value, because it can additionally be traded for blingbling items. So this can only result in prices going up sooner or later. Second, from the marketing aspect, this is a interesting move from CCP, because until now PLEXes on the market had always been free play time, so PLEX = lost money for CCP. With the ability now to exchange PLEX (or Aurum or whatever) to BlingBling Clothes and stuff, the RL money gets back to CCP. And third and foremost, with this cycle a player can now buy the best ships and modules from CCP (indectly): Take RL Money ---> Buy Plexes --> Sell Plexes on Eve Market for ISK ---> Buy Ships and Modules as desired ---> The Sold PLEX can be converted in the Item Shop ----> PLEX is gone. So you have all you want for RL money and CCP has the profit from it. I personally dont like such dependencies of real life money and games at all, because it imbalances the idea of euqal conditions and the immersion a game reflects. I dont say I quit my account,yet , because I still love the essentials of the game. But CCP lost much credibility to me. They could earn that again if they would fire some of those greediest marketing 'experts', rollback the expansion and say: 'Hey we are going in the wrong direction, sorry, we apologize'....But I think this will never happen. With regards...
Exus Die Trying Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:40:00 - [936] oh and also, dont enter the mad circle of selling uber items for real cash. you will definitly ruin the game. vanity items is ok for this, not at those price tho.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:41:00 - [937] Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Originally by: Syme Ok so a lot of people donÆt seem to understand retail marketing. Clearly, the point of retail marketing is to enrage your customers. Yes. I am glad someone understands it. It's funny, every single argument I've seen so far in favour of this travesty is quasi-academic. One would almost be inclined to think the people defending CCP in this matter are autistic or something. You're kidding yourself if you think that the forum community is CCP's target customer for AURUM goods. Only a percentage of Eve players use the forums as well, and usually its the ones that need someplace to vent to feel good about themselves. Thus, there is a disproportionately high number of naysayers and trolls, if the number of people that said they're going to quit the game over this or over that actually represented the real core player base, EvE would have closed shop years ago. Second, as one of the people likely labeled as "defending CCP" , I'll take quasi-academic and possibly autistic as compliments. Autistic people are pretty damn smart, they simply lack communication capacity, and even quasi-academic is better than not academic at all. Really though, I don't care so much about defending CCP, they don't need my help. I simply enjoy encouraging those who may be panic-prone but still have a shred of common sense left in them to stick around and wait it out, and be a part of the solution rather than simply complaining that there's a problem. EvE is about community, so I am only serving myself in encouraging those with positive outlooks to keep on playing and having fun, and showing the exit to those that just want to raise hell.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:41:00 - [938] Considering how much they are charging for a Monocle, I wonder how much those Penthouse upgrades for the CQ's will be, 500.000 AUR anyone?
eraseravengers	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:42:00 - [939] Originally by: Ay Liz 31 pages and no CCP reply Either they are panicking, or they'll wait for this to pass and continue their plans. I for one would rather pay double the sub fee if we'd get weekly content added for free.
Reloadin	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:44:00 - [940] I'd rather they keep some high priced vanity items that aren't meant for every single character in game to possess and introduce some mid range items. I mean who NEEDS to own the vanity item. Omgosh, I'm not going to login unless I can afford those new boots. For some people the price of a monocle is trivial, for others it's something to work towards, for the majority it's something they can't afford and don't need.

Wishdokkta CEO The Riot Formation	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:45:00 - [941] Wooaah. Now I am confused...someone clarify for me. You HAVE to buy these items before you can play the game? So you have to pay your monthly subs and buy vanity items? JEESSUUUSSS CCCHHHRRRRIIISSSTTTTT!!!!!!!one11 A bloke earlier said I had to buy a Ferrari 355 before I could get to work, I thought he was ****tin me but it was true! First that now this!!! I am unsubbin.
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:47:00 - [942] Originally by: Syme Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Originally by: Syme Ok so a lot of people donÆt seem to understand retail marketing. Clearly, the point of retail marketing is to enrage your customers. Yes. I am glad someone understands it. It's funny, every single argument I've seen so far in favour of this travesty is quasi-academic. One would almost be inclined to think the people defending CCP in this matter are autistic or something. Perhaps it is because we arenÆt emotionally incontinent and like to engage our brains before spewing bile all over the forums. Rather than using a fashion analogy I should point out how Nvidia and ATI do things. Do they bring out their low end cards when they release a new range, or do they initially bring out their best performers (at prices I choke over) to capture those gamers who regularly change their cards? CCP are just doing the same. Did you just compare a product that had billions of buckaroos go into it in terms of R&D to an endlessly replicable swath of pixels? And you think the markups are in any way comparable? And you had to engage your brain to do this, yes? Clearly superior aspie genes at work, here. Ignoring the basest of psychology while talking about marketing? Brilliant. I await more mind-searing insights from you, mister.
Orphan World Kitzless	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:48:00 - [943] Originally by: Patches Donnarblizen Second, from the marketing aspect, this is a interesting move from CCP, because until now PLEXes on the market had always been free play time, so PLEX = lost money for CCP. With the ability now to exchange PLEX (or Aurum or whatever) to BlingBling Clothes and stuff, the RL money gets back to CCP. ... what? PLEXes were never lost money, because each PLEX was introduced to the game through a dollar/euro purchase - thus CCP made just as much money from normal subscribers as they did from PLEX-users, the difference being that the second group has their game time paid for by someone else. NeX is indeed a PLEX sink, where every PLEX converted into AUR will be 100% profit for CCP. They're turning a zero-sum feature into a money-making one.
Tronjay the'3rd Caldari Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:49:00 - [944] Clearly CCP ingame Marketing Blundered MAJOR. CCP needs a new ingame marketing manager ASAP. This outrageous greedy behavior CCP is displaying has to stop NOW. p.s. CCP should be banned for RMT.
Mahakali	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:49:00 - [945] Edited by: Mahakali on 22/06/2011 11:54:38 Originally by: Myrkala http://store.eveonline.com Guristas Hooded Sweatshirt : 39.99$ EVE Logo T-Shirt : 19.99$ NeX Aurum Store: Virtual Vanity Item, "Space Monocle" : 12,000 Aurum = 4x PLEX = 2x EVE TIME CODES = 2x 35$ = 70$ I¦m waiting for a "fix" where the NeX-Store charges 25k Aurum for "shipping costs" to eu-tz-players. Seriously, CCP, this is so ridiculous, someone should be fired for drug abuse during working hours. /edit: the market name for benzoylmethylecgonine is filtered
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:55:00 - [946] Noble exchange is...
Oisin Sandovar	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:55:00 - [947] Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO Wooaah. Now I am confused...someone clarify for me. You HAVE to buy these items before you can play the game? So you have to pay your monthly subs and buy vanity items? Uh no. You don't need to buy any vanity items in order to play the game. Chill dude.
Raneru Euphoria Released	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:56:00 - [948] for 4 plex u can get a faction bs and fitting, or 1 item of clothing? Something seems imbalanced there. I wouldn't worry about it though, people will vote with their wallets.
Tinytacohead	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:57:00 - [949] just signing on to agree.. this is a FUKING JOKE CCP. like somebody else said, add a zero to the AUR worth of a PLEX or something, but not this ludicrous garbage. oh, and way to screw up starting a new system - total FAIL!! drink less alcohol while designing your next scheme, I mean scam.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:59:00 - [950] Might want to check out SOE's station cash amounts. 2000 station cash = $20 USD 2000 station cash will get you 2 or 3 "special" appearance cloaks, 1200-1750 gets you a whole set of appearance armor....you can get a whole room added on to your house for around 1000 station cash... ...probably should either adjust the conversion rate or adjust AUR prices... - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring

Patches Donnarblizen	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:59:00 - [951] Edited by: Patches Donnarblizen on 22/06/2011 12:01:11 Originally by: Orphan World Originally by: Patches Donnarblizen Second, from the marketing aspect, this is a interesting move from CCP, because until now PLEXes on the market had always been free play time, so PLEX = lost money for CCP. With the ability now to exchange PLEX (or Aurum or whatever) to BlingBling Clothes and stuff, the RL money gets back to CCP. ... what? PLEXes were never lost money, because each PLEX was introduced to the game through a dollar/euro purchase - thus CCP made just as much money from normal subscribers as they did from PLEX-users, the difference being that the second group has their game time paid for by someone else. NeX is indeed a PLEX sink, where every PLEX converted into AUR will be 100% profit for CCP. They're turning a zero-sum feature into a money-making one. PLEX is lost money, even if CCP got money for it, the PLEX on the EVE market represent free playing time for someone (else), who normally would have paid for this time, this has now been changed with aurum and the online shop.
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:01:00 - [952] Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO Wooaah. Now I am confused...someone clarify for me. You HAVE to buy these items before you can play the game? So you have to pay your monthly subs and buy vanity items? JEESSUUUSSS CCCHHHRRRRIIISSSTTTTT!!!!!!!one11 A bloke earlier said I had to buy a Ferrari 355 before I could get to work, I thought he was ****tin me but it was true! First that now this!!! I am unsubbin. You seem to be missing the point. No, no-one HAS to buy the items, but we also don't need to sub to Eve-Online. We choose to because a) we want to and b) we can. If the game cost ú100 per month to sub there wouldn't be many people playing it, as b) would no longer apply. The problem is CCP have introduced a set of micro-transactions that are integral to the entirety of walking in stations, that everyone wants a piece of, and then bumped the price up in to the clouds. In addition to that there has been no clarification or serious response of any kind from CCP as to why prices are as astronomical as they are, just people bleating out their own theories. CCP love to go on about how fantastic the Eve community is, but here they're pretty much fleecing people who care enough about the game to care making their character as unique as possible. If SOME of these items were astronomically priced, and others sensibly priced, then okay, those are pimp items, but they're all ridiculously priced (and not particularly special items, either). Website Recruiting
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:04:00 - [953] Originally by: Patches Donnarblizen Originally by: Orphan World Originally by: Patches Donnarblizen Second, from the marketing aspect, this is a interesting move from CCP, because until now PLEXes on the market had always been free play time, so PLEX = lost money for CCP. With the ability now to exchange PLEX (or Aurum or whatever) to BlingBling Clothes and stuff, the RL money gets back to CCP. ... what? PLEXes were never lost money, because each PLEX was introduced to the game through a dollar/euro purchase - thus CCP made just as much money from normal subscribers as they did from PLEX-users, the difference being that the second group has their game time paid for by someone else. NeX is indeed a PLEX sink, where every PLEX converted into AUR will be 100% profit for CCP. They're turning a zero-sum feature into a money-making one. PLEX is lost money, even if CCP got money for it, the PLEX on the EVE market represent free playing time for someone (else), who npomally would have paid for this time, this has now been changed with aurum and the online shop. Well aren't you a special kind of special. 100.000 buying $15 subscriptions = 1.500.000 buckaroos. vs. 50.000 buying $15 subscriptions = 750.000 buckaroos + 50.000 buying $15 PLEX = 750.000 buckaroos = 1.500.000 buckaroos. Once you realise that some people play using PLEX who would not have otherwise bought a subscription -- or take on second accounts, say -- it becomes clear that PLEX is in fact a money-making device.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:04:00 - [954] I'm not surprised that they would test the waters on massively expensive items after WoW's sparkly pony did so well, but to open the shop with nothing BUT massively expensive items shows a complete lack of research. There's a ton of information out there on the microtransaction markets in other MMOs, what motivates people to buy and how the cash shops typically function. There are plenty of people out there with broad MMO experience who could have advised or acted as a consultant on the cash ship. Hell, for me and my co-workers knowing this stuff is practically part of our jobs already. If they divided all the prices by a factor of ten or twenty and made them destructible on death, it would be quite reasonable and the market for the items could be much better. I could imagine loads of pirates buying monocles to show off their wealth if it'd add another 70-140m to their clone costs. Some already put bounties higher than that on their own heads as a status symbol, a visible monocle in the character image would have much the same effect. I don't think people will find high microtransaction values reasonable until multiplayer Incarna environments come out. At the moment, these aren't much of a status symbol despite their massive price because we can't really show them off. Even if we could show them off easily, though, I don't imagine prices this high for basic clothing would tempt many people. There are few things I'd pay as much as 2000-12000 aurum for, but they do exist. Bigger quarters being in the 10,000-20,000 range would be reasonable, for example. And I'd pay a lot for a replica Clear Skies style ratty red sofa! But I'll pass on boots that cost more than my entire real life wardrobe, and I don't think I'll be paying more for a metal shotglass stapled to my face this week than I pay in rent. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Hikaru Kuroda Amarr Shimai of New Eden N E X O	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:06:00 - [955] Well, we should start calling Michael Moore.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:07:00 - [956] Originally by: Nyphur I'm not surprised that they would test the waters on massively expensive items after WoW's sparkly pony did so well, but to open the shop with nothing BUT massively expensive items shows a complete lack of research. There's a ton of information out there on the microtransaction markets in other MMOs, what motivates people to buy and how the cash shops typically function. There are plenty of people out there with broad MMO experience who could have advised or acted as a consultant on the cash ship. Hell, for me and my co-workers knowing this stuff is practically part of our jobs already. I'll let them borrow my EQ2 account to check out good pricing :P - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Shandir Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:08:00 - [957] For those people who see and know that they can just ignore this crap - it's worth pointing out that they have stated they intend to take away the free clothes we currently have and only let us start with some kind of ugly 'newbie clothes' for new players, or whatever we currently have equipped come money grab day. So, even for people who're quite happy with the free selection, this is going to start to suck real soon. -
Beor0d Minmatar Krupp-Stahl Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:09:00 - [958] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Beor0d You don't like it? Then don't buy it! You think it is to expensive? Don't buy it! Monocles doesn't fit your hair color? Don't buy it! Don't read the thread? Then don't respond to it! But you read the first post which is about high prices? What do you expect CCP to do? Give you [insert item] for free? _______________________ Support me and buy a GTC
strive nails The Tuskers	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:10:00 - [959] Edited by: strive nails on 22/06/2011 12:10:20 Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Once you realise that some people play using PLEX who would not have otherwise bought a subscription -- or take on second accounts, say -- it becomes clear that PLEX is in fact a money-making device. someone was questioning this?
solosnake The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:10:00 - [960] CCP - Jumped the shark?

Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:13:00 - [961] Originally by: strive nails Edited by: strive nails on 22/06/2011 12:10:20 Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Once you realise that some people play using PLEX who would not have otherwise bought a subscription -- or take on second accounts, say -- it becomes clear that PLEX is in fact a money-making device. someone was questioning this? I'm not entirely sure how else I am to interpret "PLEX are lost money".
Mithfindel Zenko Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:13:00 - [962] Based on a partial read of this thread, I have to say that the skript kiddies & Hydrabreak final fixers should take notes from the uncrowned champions of CCP. This is how you troll people. ...wait, what do you mean "they're serious"?
Dierdra Vaal Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:14:00 - [963] Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 22/06/2011 12:14:33 CCP have said in the past that for PLEX to truly drive away RMTers, PLEX prices need to be higher (thus giving you more ISK for your $, and competing better against RMT prices). That, combined with these exorbitantly high prices leads me to believe the NEX is aimed at getting people to buy PLEX with ISK to use in the store, rather than buy PLEX with dollars or euros. The increased demand will increase PLEX prices which will then be more effective against RMTing. CCP gets paid either way. It must be intended to be a PLEX sink. Of course, they are limiting their customer base somewhat since only ISK-rich capsuleers will be able/willing to spend PLEX in the store. I'm not upset about it though - the fewer people use this terribad feature the better it'll be for all of us. Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
Wishdokkta CEO The Riot Formation	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:15:00 - [964] Originally by: Yuki Li You seem to be missing the point. No, no-one HAS to buy the items, but we also don't need to sub to Eve-Online. We choose to because a) we want to and b) we can. No, I dont believe I am. You answered my point right there. People will buy vanity items becasue of a) and b) Originally by: Yuki Li The problem is CCP have introduced a set of micro-transactions that are integral to the entirety of walking in stations, that everyone wants a piece of, and then bumped the price up in to the clouds. No they are NOT integral. They are an optional vanity item that you will lose absolutley nothing from not buying. And I dont believe EVERYONE wants a piece of it. I for one dont. Originally by: Yuki Li In addition to that there has been no clarification or serious response of any kind from CCP as to why prices are as astronomical as they are, just people bleating out their own theories. Fair point. My point still stands though. Think of it this way. You walk into a shop to buy some clothes. You dont actually need any but you have a look around anyway. Having seen a pair of jeans you really like by an exclusive designer you realise you cant afford them. Do you:- a) walk out the shop and forget about it. b) jump up and down and scream at the shop assistant for trying to rip you off? I know which I would do. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, it really is very, very simple. If you disagree with the the whole idea - DONT BUY THEM!! If its as bad at the foaming-at-the-mouth forum posters think then none will sell and CCP will change tactics. Until then everyone needs to calm down!
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:18:00 - [965] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen You're kidding yourself if you think that the forum community is CCP's target customer for AURUM goods. Only a percentage of Eve players use the forums as well, and usually its the ones that need someplace to vent to feel good about themselves. Thus, there is a disproportionately high number of naysayers and trolls, if the number of people that said they're going to quit the game over this or over that actually represented the real core player base, EvE would have closed shop years ago. Second, as one of the people likely labeled as "defending CCP" , I'll take quasi-academic and possibly autistic as compliments. Autistic people are pretty damn smart, they simply lack communication capacity, and even quasi-academic is better than not academic at all. Really though, I don't care so much about defending CCP, they don't need my help. I simply enjoy encouraging those who may be panic-prone but still have a shred of common sense left in them to stick around and wait it out, and be a part of the solution rather than simply complaining that there's a problem. EvE is about community, so I am only serving myself in encouraging those with positive outlooks to keep on playing and having fun, and showing the exit to those that just want to raise hell. You presume to speak for others? And you call this thing you seem to have "common sense"? I'm sure you've spent hours conversing with this silent majority about this matter, and are not just being a contrarian eejit. And I would not take too much pride in trying to apply poorly understood theory without eye for any real-world consequences. It is not a clever thing to do.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:20:00 - [966] Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, it really is very, very simple. If you disagree with the the whole idea - DONT BUY THEM!! I probably won't buy any of them, I don't in other games, BUT, the pricing is a wee bit out of whack...hopefully they adjust something so their microtransaction implementation isn't a giant waste of money. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Hairtrigger Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:21:00 - [967] never enjoyed this forum this much, so many lulz imagine the meetings goin on at money grab offices as we speak! anyway, imo there is only one person in this game who should buy that eye thing, and its not because he loaded, but because he collects every item in game, so apart from him anyone else who buys and wears one of them is only bein a complete idiot. ps. no dev posts in here yet?, imagine if we was all ass kissin tellin them how good everythin was, they would all be in here postin and lappin up the praises.
Marwood Ford	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:28:00 - [968] Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO My point still stands though. Think of it this way. You walk into a shop to buy some clothes. You dont actually need any but you have a look around anyway. Having seen a pair of jeans you really like by an exclusive designer you realise you cant afford them. Do you:- a) walk out the shop and forget about it. b) jump up and down and scream at the shop assistant for trying to rip you off? If, in a town with no clothing stores, a new shop opened up, and I then discovered they were selling jeans at a million pounds a pair, I might consider posting in their community forum to suggest that this was a poor marketing decision.
Iok Sototh The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:29:00 - [969] Anyone care to list an item price comparison (in game). Because I find this market to be immersion breakingly bull****. How many battelships can I buy instead of a pair of pants? How many skirts does a Titan cost?
Alakazam Skid-Row	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:29:00 - [970] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, it really is very, very simple. If you disagree with the the whole idea - DONT BUY THEM!! I probably won't buy any of them, I don't in other games, BUT, the pricing is a wee bit out of whack...hopefully they adjust something so their microtransaction implementation isn't a giant waste of money. I won't buy either. The pricing is completely out of touch with the game and value of items as so many already have pointed out. I am disappointed. If it was reasonably priced I think more people would use this functionality regardless of like/dislike. It's weird how they just drop the bomb on these prices instead of testing the waters and posting before deploying Incarna. They must have know exactly what to charge for vanity items for a very long time. I suspect they will lower their prices at a later stage and expect everyone to woooo in forums and forget all about how feature less this game update is. This is internet spaceship game : focus!

Blackjack 3v3	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:30:00 - [971] Originally by: Ishnadriel Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25 I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... One thing to add because US-players need to remind you: 100.00 USD=69.4827 EUR US Dollar Euro 1 USD = 0.694827 EUR 1 EUR = 1.43921 USD So when I play from EU - I`m such a rich person I pay 15 euros / month well w/e when you think of it in small amounts not a big deal. However when you think on a little larger scale say 100 $ (up) out of 100 $ you guys stile have money left over to get 2 more months of subs while me the little poor EU-bastard need to ... invest more in my hobby. ehh Epic Incarna - fail Macro - Transaction Store - In other words instead of wasting 100 euros for a item in the Macro Transaction Store do yourself a fav. and buy 2 Brand new games ( check out E3 )
Aisha Ravenwood	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:33:00 - [972] Originally by: Iok Sototh Anyone care to list an item price comparison (in game). Because I find this market to be immersion breakingly bull****. How many battelships can I buy instead of a pair of pants? How many skirts does a Titan cost? 1 monical = 1.3 bil isk 1 mothership\supercarrier = 10.7 monicals
Cpt Xao	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:35:00 - [973] Destroy the Store and Vanity Items please. And PLEX, destroy all PLEX
Orphan World Kitzless	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:35:00 - [974] Originally by: Patches Donnarblizen Edited by: Patches Donnarblizen on 22/06/2011 12:01:11 Originally by: Orphan World Originally by: Patches Donnarblizen Second, from the marketing aspect, this is a interesting move from CCP, because until now PLEXes on the market had always been free play time, so PLEX = lost money for CCP. With the ability now to exchange PLEX (or Aurum or whatever) to BlingBling Clothes and stuff, the RL money gets back to CCP. ... what? PLEXes were never lost money, because each PLEX was introduced to the game through a dollar/euro purchase - thus CCP made just as much money from normal subscribers as they did from PLEX-users, the difference being that the second group has their game time paid for by someone else. NeX is indeed a PLEX sink, where every PLEX converted into AUR will be 100% profit for CCP. They're turning a zero-sum feature into a money-making one. PLEX is lost money, even if CCP got money for it, the PLEX on the EVE market represent free playing time for someone (else), who normally would have paid for this time, this has now been changed with aurum and the online shop. I bet you're one of those people who think minerals you mine are free as well.
Devil's Call Caldari Malicious Destruction War Against the Manifest	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:37:00 - [975] Edited by: Devil''s Call on 22/06/2011 12:37:26 I have a simple solution. If you think that 10.7 monocle's aren't worth as much as a Nyx or Aeon... _Don't buy them?_ ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Bologna Brains	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:38:00 - [976] Originally by: Hairtrigger ps. no dev posts in here yet?, imagine if we was all ass kissin tellin them how good everythin was, they would all be in here postin and lappin up the praises. qft
Evenflare Gidrine	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:39:00 - [977] OK DIPSTICKS! Has anyone actually read these posts and UNDERSTOOD how idiotic all you are? Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money. As stated before this isnt forced RMT like many F2P games are and while CURRENTLY we cant see the gear each other is wearing if the game continues and the release dates for the rest of the station tech/experience are followed we WILL. To those using that massively tipline there is NO story here because of one simple issue. You choose to rage without an entire knowledge of the situation aka will CCP drop modify or change the system nor do you realise that in multiple devblogs regarding Incarna prior to launch there were multiple statements along the lines of "We will take community feedback and implement recommendations and changes as we can given the communities response" I am tired of this pathetic whining by a few as mentioned before if you guys were indicative of the general POV of the EVE player base this game wouldnt exist and youd all be able to cry on blizzards forums. I am not defending the actions of CCP and I would laugh if this turned out to be a simple implementation error because I hope that each abusive post made during this incident will recieve a ban for a day or so because yes its exorbitant but it is possible that CCP will change it and unlike other MMOs bar one incident several major updates ago CCP has been on the ball and the majority of this games community has been happy. Summary is thus: Dont like the Arum prices dont purchase it. Until further developments are made sure dont buy the gear but dont quit the game over something as childish as this and await real responses from the GMs. While I dont agree that Zinfandel was right in justifying that in that manner I am sure they will review the chat logs and take action according. Footnote: Petitioning off forum resources like that massively site do nothing good and plenty bad and as such that original poster should be banned since it has no real positive effect outside of massaging some morons ego that they got a response and any legit reporter would fully research the claims before they responded.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:39:00 - [978] Looks like they're going to comment soonÖ http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=3#90 - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:40:00 - [979] Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 12:42:19 Originally by: Devil's Call I have a simple solution. If you think that 10.7 monocle's aren't worth as much as a Nyx or Aeon... _Don't buy them?_ For roughly the bazillionth time: that is not the problem. The problem is that it highlights some pretty devastating problems with CCP's design and decision-making processes, not to mention (as always) their communication skills. We knew that they had no clue about how to communicate with the community and process feedback. What we didn't know was that they were also clueless about how and why MT works, even as they were about to introduce an MT shop into their game. Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money. àjust one problem: this only serves to increase the PLEX price. Dipstick. Quote: Summary is thus: Dont like the Arum prices dont purchase it. See above: that's not the issue. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Evenflare Gidrine	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:42:00 - [980] Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen You're kidding yourself if you think that the forum community is CCP's target customer for AURUM goods. Only a percentage of Eve players use the forums as well, and usually its the ones that need someplace to vent to feel good about themselves. Thus, there is a disproportionately high number of naysayers and trolls, if the number of people that said they're going to quit the game over this or over that actually represented the real core player base, EvE would have closed shop years ago. Second, as one of the people likely labeled as "defending CCP" , I'll take quasi-academic and possibly autistic as compliments. Autistic people are pretty damn smart, they simply lack communication capacity, and even quasi-academic is better than not academic at all. Really though, I don't care so much about defending CCP, they don't need my help. I simply enjoy encouraging those who may be panic-prone but still have a shred of common sense left in them to stick around and wait it out, and be a part of the solution rather than simply complaining that there's a problem. EvE is about community, so I am only serving myself in encouraging those with positive outlooks to keep on playing and having fun, and showing the exit to those that just want to raise hell. You presume to speak for others? And you call this thing you seem to have "common sense"? I'm sure you've spent hours conversing with this silent majority about this matter, and are not just being a contrarian eejit. And I would not take too much pride in trying to apply poorly understood theory without eye for any real-world consequences. It is not a clever thing to do. Contrarian eejit. Pot meet kettle?

Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:42:00 - [981] Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine OK DIPSTICKS! Has anyone actually read these posts and UNDERSTOOD how idiotic all you are? Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money. Wat. How do you imagine this works, Mr. Economist?
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:42:00 - [982] Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO No, I dont believe I am. You answered my point right there. People will buy vanity items becasue of a) and b) Not sure about you but I don't have the time or money to waste on items as they're currently priced. That places me in the can't category. Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO No they are NOT integral. They are an optional vanity item that you will lose absolutley nothing from not buying. And I dont believe EVERYONE wants a piece of it. I for one dont. By and large most people (who have a capable machine) will want to participate in walking in stations. It is not unreasonable to assume these people do not all want to look the same, and in fact would be willing to spend money on these items if they are sensibly priced, surely? Instead we're presented with, on launch day, after an extended delay: Welcome to walking in stations, where you will perpetually look like a scrub if you are not a) loaded or b) carebearing 0.0 to buy clothes that cost more than.. well, clothes. Discontent is hardly surprising. Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO Think of it this way. You walk into a shop to buy some clothes. You dont actually need any but you have a look around anyway. Having seen a pair of jeans you really like by an exclusive designer you realise you cant afford them. Do you:- a) walk out the shop and forget about it. b) jump up and down and scream at the shop assistant for trying to rip you off? I would go to a different store and buy my clothes there. Herein lies the problem; there are no other options. You can either buy nothing or get tremendously ripped off. This does not sit well. Hard and fast facts may be that no-one is forced to buy these items, but customer bases rarely consist of logic driven robots, and people have been waiting for Incarna for a very, very long time, so this is pretty disappointing. Website Recruiting
Evenflare Gidrine	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:45:00 - [983] Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine OK DIPSTICKS! Has anyone actually read these posts and UNDERSTOOD how idiotic all you are? Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money. Wat. How do you imagine this works, Mr. Economist? How this works? Supply/demand + people paying REAL money + market for said item that is bought/traded with INGAME currency thus enabling those who wish to have free accounts to do so?
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:46:00 - [984] Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen You're kidding yourself if you think that the forum community is CCP's target customer for AURUM goods. Only a percentage of Eve players use the forums as well, and usually its the ones that need someplace to vent to feel good about themselves. Thus, there is a disproportionately high number of naysayers and trolls, if the number of people that said they're going to quit the game over this or over that actually represented the real core player base, EvE would have closed shop years ago. Second, as one of the people likely labeled as "defending CCP" , I'll take quasi-academic and possibly autistic as compliments. Autistic people are pretty damn smart, they simply lack communication capacity, and even quasi-academic is better than not academic at all. Really though, I don't care so much about defending CCP, they don't need my help. I simply enjoy encouraging those who may be panic-prone but still have a shred of common sense left in them to stick around and wait it out, and be a part of the solution rather than simply complaining that there's a problem. EvE is about community, so I am only serving myself in encouraging those with positive outlooks to keep on playing and having fun, and showing the exit to those that just want to raise hell. You presume to speak for others? And you call this thing you seem to have "common sense"? I'm sure you've spent hours conversing with this silent majority about this matter, and are not just being a contrarian eejit. And I would not take too much pride in trying to apply poorly understood theory without eye for any real-world consequences. It is not a clever thing to do. Contrarian eejit. Pot meet kettle? Do you understand what the word means? From where I'm sitting, I'm well within the mainstream. Contrarian I am not (eejit, maybe.)
Scruffy Sandra	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:48:00 - [985] I had an awful dream last night that after my patch was done, CCP just started begging me for Cash, woke up this morning and logged on to see that it was not a dream afterall !! what has this game become ?
Evenflare Gidrine	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:49:00 - [986] Originally by: Yuki Li Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO No, I dont believe I am. You answered my point right there. People will buy vanity items becasue of a) and b) Not sure about you but I don't have the time or money to waste on items as they're currently priced. That places me in the can't category. Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO No they are NOT integral. They are an optional vanity item that you will lose absolutley nothing from not buying. And I dont believe EVERYONE wants a piece of it. I for one dont. By and large most people (who have a capable machine) will want to participate in walking in stations. It is not unreasonable to assume these people do not all want to look the same, and in fact would be willing to spend money on these items if they are sensibly priced, surely? Instead we're presented with, on launch day, after an extended delay: Welcome to walking in stations, where you will perpetually look like a scrub if you are not a) loaded or b) carebearing 0.0 to buy clothes that cost more than.. well, clothes. Discontent is hardly surprising. Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO Think of it this way. You walk into a shop to buy some clothes. You dont actually need any but you have a look around anyway. Having seen a pair of jeans you really like by an exclusive designer you realise you cant afford them. Do you:- a) walk out the shop and forget about it. b) jump up and down and scream at the shop assistant for trying to rip you off? I would go to a different store and buy my clothes there. Herein lies the problem; there are no other options. You can either buy nothing or get tremendously ripped off. This does not sit well. Hard and fast facts may be that no-one is forced to buy these items, but customer bases rarely consist of logic driven robots, and people have been waiting for Incarna for a very, very long time, so this is pretty disappointing. Am I missing something here? Again are people just posting for the sake of a 1k post thread? If you dont wish to use the feature dont and many people claim that they wont but when its settled it will be sorted. Why continue the discussion? Not to mention the simple fact this is CQ not the full station environment release so there are more chances in the future for people to interact with this gear as well as the chance for the community to present a unified stable front instead of this kneejerk *****fest thats come about because of the minority that are vocal on forums? While I am personaly against the prices I doubt I could have found the strength that the majority of the first 20 pages worth of posters did to blow this way out.
Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:50:00 - [987] Something to concider, CCP is clearly hoping to make extra money from the NEX store, looking at the backlash so far that may not happen and this MT testbed will be a failure. So now all the people who didn't want anything to do with 'space barbies' are going whoop, whoop, hah, hah ... except CCP still want to make additional money. Where will this extra money come from without the NEX store thriving? think about that. At this stage CCP have set up the NEX store to fail so what will be next? extra sub money or MT another part of the game. We already know one of the owners of CCP is in financial difficulties and needs to repay some 1+bn in debt. I wonder where he's going to get that sort of money from.
Khaed Duhn Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:51:00 - [988] Originally by: Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy Money Monetary units - none. In fact there are three freely convertible currencies in the Galaxy, but none of them count. The Altairian Dollar has recently collapsed, the Flanian Pobble bead is only exchangeable for other Flanian Pobble Beads, and the Triganic Pu has its own very special problems. Its exchange rate of eight Ningis to one Pu is simple enough, but since a Ningi is a rubber coin six thousand eight hundred miles along each side, no one has ever collected enough to own one Pu. Ningis are not negotiable currency, because the Galactibanks refuse to deal in fiddling small change. From this basic premise it is very simple to prove that the Galactibanks are also the product of a deranged imagination. And now thanks to CCP we can add the monocle to this illustrious list. Originally by: Aisha Ravenwood 1 monical = 1.3 bil isk 1 mothership\supercarrier = 10.7 monicals
Evenflare Gidrine	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:51:00 - [989] Originally by: Scruffy Sandra I had an awful dream last night that after my patch was done, CCP just started begging me for Cash, woke up this morning and logged on to see that it was not a dream afterall !! what has this game become ? There was a quote i cant find on this page above yours regarding why this might have occured and while the community in general may see that point and we all wish to try and fight this as it stands the proposed theory regarding making RMT difficult would hopefully give you food for thought before you added your wails of unjustified anger to the rest of this here thread.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:56:00 - [990] Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 12:58:11 Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine How this works? Supply/demand + people paying REAL money + market for said item that is bought/traded with INGAME currency thus enabling those who wish to have free accounts to do so? What he's asking is how you figure that an increased demand will lead to lower prices. Quote: Am I missing something here? Again are people just posting for the sake of a 1k post thread? If you dont wish to use the feature dont and many people claim that they wont but when its settled it will be sorted. Why continue the discussion? Because, yes, you are missing something, namely the problem with CCP's dev team that this highlighted by this implementation. That is a fairly important detail to discuss. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Arrs Grazznic Poena Executive Solutions	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:03:00 - [991] Jumping onto the threadnaught! To be honest I wouldn't buy any of these vanity items, no matter what the price, but it does seem if CCP have managed to get their pricing totally wrong based on current PLEX prices.
Zey Nadar Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:11:00 - [992] The Nstore prices are absolutely ridiculous, but luckily the prices will propably be self-adjusting. Once CCP notices they sell absolutely nothing, they will drop the prices. There is a minimum of 90% too much in the prices. The store is also extremely lacking in content. I trust CCP will fix the problems in time. Until then the icon is pretty much just eye-candy.
Nikki West	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:12:00 - [993]
strive nails The Tuskers	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:13:00 - [994] Originally by: Zey Nadar The Nstore prices are absolutely ridiculous, but luckily the prices will propably be self-adjusting. Once CCP notices they sell absolutely nothing, they will drop the prices. There is a minimum of 90% too much in the prices. The store is also extremely lacking in content. I trust CCP will fix the problems in time. Until then the icon is pretty much just eye-candy. why release then? why release CQ at all at this stage? is this all they have? sad times..
Ghurthe	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:14:00 - [995] CCP's idea of trying to put in a plex sink might work if the items weren't so stupid expensive. Maybe 50 people will buy MT items. In large part though MT is now going to be ignored as too stupid expensive. Plex prices won't go up much at all because people don't want to spend that much isk for a monocle, and if plex prices rise as a result of demand placed on them, Monocles and skirts rise in price too. Even if a monocle costs 2 Billion is, people are going to rather buy 2 carriers than buying a monocle.
Zey Nadar Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:15:00 - [996] Edited by: Zey Nadar on 22/06/2011 13:16:24 Originally by: strive nails why release then? why release CQ at all at this stage? is this all they have? sad times.. Because we are actually beta-testers who pay money to CCP? Its good business.. The fool is not the one who asks, but the one who pays..
Scruffy Sandra	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:16:00 - [997] Edited by: Scruffy Sandra on 22/06/2011 13:16:18 Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine Originally by: Scruffy Sandra I had an awful dream last night that after my patch was done, CCP just started begging me for Cash, woke up this morning and logged on to see that it was not a dream afterall !! what has this game become ? There was a quote i cant find on this page above yours regarding why this might have occured and while the community in general may see that point and we all wish to try and fight this as it stands the proposed theory regarding making RMT difficult would hopefully give you food for thought before you added your wails of unjustified anger to the rest of this here thread. I would not say anger was an emotion i felt at all as a matter of fact.
strive nails The Tuskers	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:16:00 - [998] Originally by: Ghurthe In large part though MT is now going to be ignored as too stupid expensive. Plex prices won't go up much at all because people don't want to spend that much isk for a monocle, Well, in all fairness, they did say they had different methods for keeping plex prices low available to them. I guess this is just one of them \o/
Langoss	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:28:00 - [999] CCP! what the **** are you doing???
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:28:00 - [1000] Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine Originally by: Futile Rhetoric Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine OK DIPSTICKS! Has anyone actually read these posts and UNDERSTOOD how idiotic all you are? Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money. Wat. How do you imagine this works, Mr. Economist? How this works? Supply/demand + people paying REAL money + market for said item that is bought/traded with INGAME currency thus enabling those who wish to have free accounts to do so? Okay, supply and demand. Let's walk through this, shall we? What determined demand for PLEX prior to NEX? The number of people who want to pay ISK for their EVE subscription, and, to a lesser extent, the price: PLEX demand seems quite inelastic, though I'm sure a small number do drop additional accounts as PLEX prices go up substantially. What determined supply of PLEX prior to NEX? The number of people who wanted to trade real-life cashish for ISK, the amounts of said cashish, and the price of PLEX (the more ISK you get for a PLEX, the more likely you are to want to sell it.) What is the situation now? Demand is still determined by the number of people who want to buy PLEX to pay for their subscriptions: this number is unchanged, unless a whole bunch of people decide to suddenly quit EVE (which might be what you're hoping for, I do not know.) In addition, PLEX demand now also includes people who want to spend ISK to buy PLEX/Aurum/vanity items (PLEX demand, up). What of supply? Supply is still determined by the number of people who want to spend $ to buy ISK. Of course, now they might spend this $ to buy vanity items for themselves, instead (PLEX supply equal or down). So tell me, how are you going to get lower PLEX prices out of higher demand and equal or lower supply? You may hope at best for a small price hike, if nobody cares about the vanity items. That's basically the best case scenario for people such as yourself at the moment, and CCP seem to have done everything in their power to make that happen. Kudos to them, I s'pose.

Max Return	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:30:00 - [1001] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 22/06/2011 10:28:59 Originally by: Kane Molou Now simple math alone tells you that if 1 PLEX costs 16.00$ for nice rounding sake, and 1 Plex Buys you 3,500AUR that means that 3,500AUR is worth .... that's right 16$US real life money.. real life value, 3,500AUR = 1 months subscription.. no if/but or anything else. It's a one way process only. 15 dollars will get you one PLEX. But one PLEX is worth nothing at all in the real world, not even 30 days of game time. (Check your EULA.) The people you should be raging at are the ones who are throwing away isk buying PLEX in the first place. (Maybe we should retitle this thread: PLEX buyers face uncomfortable truths about internet spaceships). Honestly, the best part about the monocle debate is that many of the people outraged about the cost of monocles would spend thousands on a titan if they had the chance. Ok so with a titan you can actually enjoy playing the game because a titan can do something and serves a purpose. A monacle however is bloody useless and tbh doesnt really look that good in game. So you can go rage at the plex buyers and pretend a monacle and titan serve a similar purpose and have the same value but the rest of us are going to focus on the real problem in CCP
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:32:00 - [1002] Edited by: Ciar Meara on 22/06/2011 13:32:38 Originally by: Nikki West Made me laugh! (and still mad) ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Euphonus	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:39:00 - [1003] Originally by: Seleene [ 2011.06.21 23:54:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > That is also the standard technique in the industry. In our case, it was exceptionally necessary due to the huge size of PLEX. [ 2011.06.21 23:55:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > Incub: 12000 Aurum. The comma is an Americanism. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > The store only has a few items in it so far. But more will be added. We hope to add a few pieces each week. We started with items which can be purchased and used without needing a special interface. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > Painting a ship requires a little more work before we will be able to offer it. But it is planned. [ 2011.06.21 23:57:26 ] Sofia Roseburn > Zinfandel, these prices are actually correct? [ 2011.06.21 23:58:35 ] CCP Zinfandel > Sofia Roseburn - there will be a number of items at different prices over time. Also, these items will be offered on special from time to time. Some of the items are expensive. [ 2011.06.22 00:00:44 ] CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. [ 2011.06.22 00:04:45 ] CCP Zinfandel > The selection of items in the store will change from time to time as the capsuleers purchase things and new items arrive (hopefully a few each week.) [ 2011.06.22 00:05:22 ] CCP Zinfandel > Prices will vary between items and occasionally things will go on sale. Don't forget that the market also has a number of items for sale already and those prices should stabilize over time as well. [ 2011.06.22 00:16:42 ] CCP Zinfandel > Chewiest - decorating will come eventually, hopefully later this year. [ 2011.06.22 00:19:32 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are slowly receiving more items to sell in the store and we are saving things to introduce new items each week. [ 2011.06.22 00:23:09 ] CCP Zinfandel > Elina Tan - we are introducing new clothing fashions in sets with themes. This set is themed "Military" and will continue for months. We also have fashion designers creating a line for "Corporate" and one for "Cyberpunk." [ 2011.06.22 00:23:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Those will come later. [ 2011.06.22 00:23:30 ] CCP Zinfandel > And they are being designed by RL fashion designers. [ 2011.06.22 00:24:47 ] CCP Zinfandel > One of the fashion designers is New York based. Another is Reykjavik based. [ 2011.06.22 00:27:07 ] CCP Zinfandel > JordanTwoDelta - you will see the ISK market prices stablize over time. Initially, hype will make people spend more than they should. I counsel a little patience. ;-) [ 2011.06.22 00:29:26 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are adding a little more each week (probably on Tuesdays.)
Melthariumin Gallente Tactical Reconnaissance	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:43:00 - [1004] It is called "noble exchange" for a reason. High prizes keep the poor and smelly people out.
Max Return	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:45:00 - [1005] [ 2011.06.22 00:00:44 ] CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. Is this some kind of joke to you CCP lot??? how about get rid of this stupid CLOTHING BULLST!! AND BALANCE THE FU**G GAME TRY PAYING ATTENTION TO YOUR BUYERS
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:45:00 - [1006] How can we talk about PLEX and what it will do with the market now that shop is online. The fact remains PLEX cost RL money hence it has monetary value. So that piece of ** you can stuff in your eye socket costs money** there is no way around that. Tnis is not MT this bleeding peoples RL wallet also no way around that. So if you not agreeing with it don't buy from that shop and enjoy EVE as it is now. Or your fine with and well spend your RL money on it. I like EVE, I like the first step to walking in stations (CQ) it is a content release no way around that. CCP will learn from it and hopefully correct the error. Chid
Mynxee Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:48:00 - [1007] Originally by: Craven Aleros If you see someone wearing one of those 12k items it tells you several things. 1) They have money 2) They are a bit dumb 3) They have a good chance of being CCP alts ---------- My Blog: Life In Low Sec
Fraa Bjorn Cell 317	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:54:00 - [1008] What's the big deal? It's not like we HAVE to buy these things, is it? Besides, the character creator was pretty awesome, and recustomization is free - personally I had never thought that would be free. Some things are good, some bad, but remember, EVE is REAL :)
Stignos	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:54:00 - [1009] http://kotaku.com/5814354/eve-online-is-selling-horse-armour-in-space Main gaming websites are starting to make articles about this, they say that any publicity is good publicity, but I am sure this is going to backfire on you. People will not only associate EVE with a game with a extremely hard learning curve, but also with insane prizes and that last association will not stop there, they will also assume everything in eve EVE is priced like that. I can only see this backfiring on you guys. I wonder what the mood of the next fanfest will be after all this money sucking attitude CCP has lately...
Devil's Call Caldari Malicious Destruction War Against the Manifest	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:57:00 - [1010] Originally by: Fraa Bjorn What's the big deal? It's not like we HAVE to buy these things, is it? Besides, the character creator was pretty awesome, and recustomization is free - personally I had never thought that would be free. Some things are good, some bad, but remember, EVE is REAL :) We all HAVE to buy those things yes, that's in our nature. That's why everybody is so ****ed off I think. ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö

Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:58:00 - [1011] Originally by: Mynxee Originally by: Craven Aleros If you see someone wearing one of those 12k items it tells you several things. 1) They have money 2) They are a bit dumb 3) They have a good chance of being CCP alts For the lolz <-------
Devil's Call Caldari Malicious Destruction War Against the Manifest	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:00:00 - [1012] Originally by: Nikki West ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Masjheira Minmatar Cursed Inc. Not Found.	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:03:00 - [1013] MORE CRYING BABIES LOL LOL LOL CRY YOU ****ING CAREBEAR AND ITEM MALL LOVERS CRYYY I LOVE YOUR TEAARRRRSSSSS hahahahahahahahaha Pleaaassee ccp make prices even higher, these damned idiots will buy these vanity items anyway :D Ahaha this is so funny, Eve community whining about ITEM MALL PRICES BEING TOO HIGH LOOOOOOOOOOOLLL HAHAHAHAHAHA this is the best joke ever heard HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you are killing me HAHAHAHAHAHA
Syme Gallente Umbra Scientia Muneris	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:03:00 - [1014] Now I have been downgraded from autistic to having aspergers I will try again and see if I can drop to just pedantic. No mind-searing insights just an example. You have a set of new products with a wide price range and are about to launch it, knowing that you have an interested market. Do you: A) Release the cheapest in the range first so that everyone buys one and the market is immediately sated, with only the fashion conscious and wealthy replacing their existing product with the more expensive in the range? B) Delay the release so that you can launch all the range at once, confusing your market (and perhaps antagonising them through the delay) and letting them enter at any price point (probably the lowest)? C) Release the high-end product first, creating exclusivity and letting those who are willing to pay a higher price get earlier access? CCP have chosen C, it is the easiest way to test the market. No one needs to buy these vanity items and most wonÆt until we can leave our quarters, so there is plenty of time for CCP to adjust prices.
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:12:00 - [1015] Originally by: Stignos I wonder what the mood of the next fanfest will be after all this money sucking attitude CCP has lately... Most people just get drunk ;)
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:13:00 - [1016] Originally by: Nikki West OMG lol i had to fight so hard not to spill mouthwash all over my keyboard
Nilania Telshua Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:20:00 - [1017] Originally by: Syme C) Release the high-end product first, creating exclusivity and letting those who are willing to pay a higher price get earlier access? CCP have chosen C, it is the easiest way to test the market. No one needs to buy these vanity items and most wonÆt until we can leave our quarters, so there is plenty of time for CCP to adjust prices. Actually as far as functionality is concerned aspergers is a step up from autism, so dont you complain. Unfortunately while your analysis has its merits and a certain validity from a marketing point of view, you as well as CCP once more forgot to factor in the Public Relations effect, that the implementation of strategy c) would have on its customer base. If there had been clear communications about their intentions beforehand and if they had avoided to cluster the Aurum-Situation with other negative messages to the customer base, (3rd Party Apps, 2.0 Shaders, Non-Optional CQs, Hardware Requirements for CQ, a.s.o.) it would not have created such a ****storm. Strategy c) also only works if the public that is not its target-audience, at least accepts that the items are valued correctly at their given price tags, even though the public cannot afford them. That is what creates the prestige of said items. If there is a big gap between the perceived value of an item and its price tag, it becomes a literal joke and the value added to it through "prestige" negible.
davet517 Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:23:00 - [1018] Edited by: davet517 on 22/06/2011 14:26:21 This might have already been said. CBA to read 34 pages of QQ, but, if you pay for your game time with Isk, you should probably be thanking CCP that these things are as expensive as they are. There is a finite amount of money that comes into the game by way of people buying GTCs and converting them to plex, then selling the plex for isk. There is a demand for these from people who want to trade isk for plex to pay for their accounts. If they came out with lots of cool, reasonably priced crap that people want, it's going to upset that supply/demand balance and you'd see plex prices spike, at least until the initial demand was satisfied and a secondary market developed. They probably took this into account when pricing these things, so that they didn't lose subscribers who could no longer afford a plex to pay for their account.
radix29 Unforeseen Consequences. THE UNTHINKABLES	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:29:00 - [1019] Edited by: radix29 on 22/06/2011 14:31:45 GJ CPP Actually I think you should double the AUR price for the vanity items. YOU WILL DOUBLE YOUR REVENUE!!!111! Ask your marketing/economist guys. They are good, they can confirm it! So after 1 - 2 months you will realize what bull**** it is and cut the crap with barbie online and we can resume flying internet pixel space ships and pew pew. Edit: Never intended to buy that crap and dont care about either. Just sad to see so much :effort: put in this direction fly dangerous
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:32:00 - [1020] Here's my problem with this macro-transaction model in a nutshell. I already pay a pretty steep subscription for this game and have done for a number of years. I think Eve has a fair and healthy income stream already for the ongoing development of the game and core product. The problem is that CCP have lost their way and devoted way too much time money and effort on ill-advised spin-off development that abandoned the core product that we all pay for with our subscriptions. Now we are being told that our subscription money is not enough for the content development to come for incarna and frankly it is a bitter pill to swallow. As an eve player I am very unhappy with this message. I feel I (and thousands of other subscribers) have given CCP our trust and benefit of doubt for many years now only to be told in the end that our support was not enough and we need to be milked for more cash beyond the subscription to pay for development of the game. I believe this first release of "vanity items" is a terrible terrible precedent that beckons in an age of greedy profiteering from CCP via incarna that will see anything of asthetic value in the new expansion being priced at ridiculous levels. To see the laughably money-grubbing pricing of this monacle and boots stuff utterly punctures any faith I have that ccp will deliver any additional content at reasonable price points in later iterations and makes me doubt the entire premise of Dust 514 later down the road. I honestly feel very angry to think that any development of these "vanity items" has been done by CCP staff who drew a wage funded by my subscription money and that if CCP want to go down this route they need to separate their business and development into "subscription-funded" vs "microtransaction(sic)" funded offices and ring-fence our subs income to ensure that the vanity-pay stuff does not leech off of the core business income. Understand. I am not opposed to the principle of microtransactions at root and I'm not a poor eve player without a few hundred million isk to rub together. In eve my character owns an Erebus class Titan for roleplay reasons for heavens sake - but its an investment of 70 billion isk that actually does something and I can be happy was developed and implemented on my subscription money. In world of tanks I happily bought a Lowe for the equivilent of 20 quid. Its a solid decent-looking useful piece of micro-transaction that allowed me to trade the cost of a couple of pizzas for not spending 100 hours grinding up. But the world of tanks guys "get" microtransactions and the "pay to play model" they know how to price this stuff and use it to leverage development on their core game. They haven't spent the last 2 years developing a "walking in tanks" environment where we can spend 30 quid on a master-gunner-monacle that does nothing at the price of ignoring their core battle engine which languishes somewhere in 2008. Conclusion. I hate the fact that our faith and trust in CCP has been leveraged to direct disproportionate resources and subscription money to produce this vanity item display case (CQ) that contains items developed on our dollar that are now priced at ridiculous levels to greedily claw even more cash from our wallets. This is CCP selling their souls to the "biz-dev" souless marketing demons and unless the good people at CCP wake up and smell the roses it will definitely be a hammer blow to good faith and trust of the player base. And to those saying "screw the existing player base CCP is chasing the new player subscriber" - I have to say wake up and smell the coffee guys. CCP is not that good a developer and I simply do not believe they have the expertise and development resources required to deliver a genuinely full-feature incarna that can make up for losing the interest of the in-space player community. People play eve because of the single-server space environment - people that want an avatar-based game play wow. Join the Revolution!

Entheogenth	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:35:00 - [1021] ok, this is very strange.. the same REAL items in the noble shop are 1/3th the price of the VIRTUAL items. this is more then weird. non existing items three times more expensive then the real ones? i think im gonna be a game designer too.. make 1 product, make infinite copies of it, and sell it for 3 times the real price! for example see: see http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/eyewear.php?__utma=1.725941753.1306585786.1306585786.1308752860.2&__utmb=1.1.10.1308752860&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1308752860.2.2.utmcsr=google\|utmccn=%28organic%29\|utmcmd=organic\|utmctr=the%20gentlemans%20shop&__utmv=-&__utmk=135599665
Tugrath Akers	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:36:00 - [1022] Has anyone said 'Wait until the prices go down.' or 'Don't buy them then.' yet?
Yoruichi kun	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:45:00 - [1023] Originally by: Tugrath Akers Has anyone said 'Wait until the prices go down.' or 'Don't buy them then.' yet? many but that not the point lol
Will Cenn	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:46:00 - [1024] Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 14:47:04 A lot of their excuses are why these things should be expensive in the Eve universe, not in real life. People who say your not being forced are missing the point. It isn't as simple as you like it you buy, you don't you don't. Obviously a lot of people do want this stuff, most are not oppossed to the concept. They provide an extra service, we pay for it. It is the basis of our capitalist society and there is nothing inherently wrong with it. The problem comes with the degree. It isn't unreasonable by any stretch to want an equitable trade for your money, I am betting most would happily accept a slightly negative trade but this is well beyond that. This is not equitable. Even extortinate would be a step down. It devalues our money and in turn us to ask so much for what services they are providing. While I do agree this thread has seen it's share of stupidity, if you think people are stupid for feeling insulted, well then the irony is also probably lost on you.
Sprawdzacz	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:46:00 - [1025] How to put this thing on my char eye?!
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:49:00 - [1026] Originally by: Will Cenn Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 14:47:04 A lot of their excuses are why these things should be expensive in the Eve universe, not in real life. People who say your not being forced are missing the point. It isn't as simple as you like it you buy, you don't you don't. Obviously a lot of people do want this stuff, most are not oppossed to the concept. They provide an extra service, we pay for it. It is the basis of our capitalist society and there is nothing inherently wrong with it. The problem comes with the degree. It isn't unreasonable by any stretch to want an equitable trade for your money, I am betting most would happily accept a slightly negative trade but this is well beyond that. This is not equitable. Even extortinate would be a step down. It devalues our money and in turn us to ask so much for what services they are providing. While I do agree this thread has seen it's share of stupidity, if you think people are stupid for feeling insulted, well then the irony is also probably lost on you. Well said sir,
A Little Girl	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:53:00 - [1027] Now coming to a CCP blog near you Quote: Don't worry gais! We was just kidding! Err testing! Yes that's the word! Now after we reconsidered our joke and surely not because of all the complaining we are fixing this price problem. Which was not really a problem but just a test. Ho ho..
Zondrail Formic Hive	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:03:00 - [1028] Releasing 100 items at small prices = micro-transactions Releasing 7 items at ridiculous prices = macro-transactions? thinking people will just feed you money for crap? wishful thinking? bad planning? Definitely not micro-transactions...
Soladari	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:06:00 - [1029] Originally by: Myra2007 Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st Epic! Just F'ing EPIC! LOL
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:08:00 - [1030] soon : pirate eyepatch available ! how much ? well you see the bounties add we see on CQ ? check the number 1. only the number one pirate would be good enough to wear that, it's not for anyone after all. so you saw his bounty ? it's the price for the eyepatch. nice right ? no ? why do you want to do with this rope ?

Stignos	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:23:00 - [1031] Originally by: Will Cenn Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 14:47:04 A lot of their excuses are why these things should be expensive in the Eve universe, not in real life. People who say your not being forced are missing the point. It isn't as simple as you like it you buy, you don't you don't. Obviously a lot of people do want this stuff, most are not oppossed to the concept. They provide an extra service, we pay for it. It is the basis of our capitalist society and there is nothing inherently wrong with it. The problem comes with the degree. It isn't unreasonable by any stretch to want an equitable trade for your money, I am betting most would happily accept a slightly negative trade but this is well beyond that. This is not equitable. Even extortinate would be a step down. It devalues our money and in turn us to ask so much for what services they are providing. While I do agree this thread has seen it's share of stupidity, if you think people are stupid for feeling insulted, well then the irony is also probably lost on you. Very well said sir. I hope someone in CCP actually listens to us.
Sprawdzacz	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:27:00 - [1032] Guys, 12k AUR... maybe not everyone may buy it. But still... how to use this oculars?! I lost 4 PLEX for item that is not working o_O
Butzewutze	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:29:00 - [1033] Edited by: Butzewutze on 22/06/2011 15:29:12 Edited by: Butzewutze on 22/06/2011 15:29:02 Looks like the vulcan, that erupted some time ago, had a bigger influence on them as i thought first. This is B()llshlt
Oisin Sandovar	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:31:00 - [1034] Originally by: Will Cenn Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 14:47:04 People who say your not being forced are missing the point. It isn't as simple as you like it you buy, you don't you don't. ... The problem comes with the degree. ... While I do agree this thread has seen it's share of stupidity, if you think people are stupid for feeling insulted, well then the irony is also probably lost on you. It is as easy as don't buy it. The issue is that as a consumer you feel that the prices are crazy, so don't buy. That means the seller has to lower their prices. That's capitalism. I don't mind buying vanity items, but these prices are crazy. I know you agree. I'm not sure why people feel insulted at the prices CCP has posted. Personally, I found it hilarious because the prices are way out of reality. I laughed and laughed and laughed. I laughed so hard, I cried. I laughed because the prices were crazy. Did I feel insulted? No, I just thought CCP was crazy.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:33:00 - [1035] Originally by: Sprawdzacz Guys, 12k AUR... maybe not everyone may buy it. But still... how to use this oculars?! I lost 4 PLEX for item that is not working o_O You need to be at the station with the monocle in storage, then you need to go to character re-customization. It is under the glasses tab.
Evillseed	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:34:00 - [1036] At this point there's not much to add other than my voice to the chorus. I probably wasn't going to pay RL money for a monocle anyway, but the relative value of a ship to put on my dresser or some Gurista t-shirts is far more than some pixels that people who look at my portrait see. Note to CCP: EvE still takes place in space. We're happy for you that you get to do PI to assist in launching Dust and that you get to do avatars for us to assist in your other projects, but we still like playing internet spaceships. We are happy to pay you for the use of your platform to play internet spaceships, but please don't be deceived into thinking that we want to pay exorbitant amounts to have our picture of the guy flying the internet spaceship look slightly different. IMO personalized paint schemes > personalized avatars anyway, but that doesn't assist in building other games so your cash cow gets the shaft. Not cool.
Malartacha Foram Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:35:00 - [1037] Originally by: Will Cenn Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 14:47:04 A lot of their excuses are why these things should be expensive in the Eve universe, not in real life. People who say your not being forced are missing the point. It isn't as simple as you like it you buy, you don't you don't. Obviously a lot of people do want this stuff, most are not oppossed to the concept. They provide an extra service, we pay for it. It is the basis of our capitalist society and there is nothing inherently wrong with it. The problem comes with the degree. It isn't unreasonable by any stretch to want an equitable trade for your money, I am betting most would happily accept a slightly negative trade but this is well beyond that. This is not equitable. Even extortinate would be a step down. It devalues our money and in turn us to ask so much for what services they are providing. While I do agree this thread has seen it's share of stupidity, if you think people are stupid for feeling insulted, well then the irony is also probably lost on you. I agree. ---- I are pirate!
Marwood Ford	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:41:00 - [1038] Originally by: Syme Now I have been downgraded from autistic to having aspergers I will try again and see if I can drop to just pedantic. No mind-searing insights just an example. You have a set of new products with a wide price range and are about to launch it, knowing that you have an interested market. Do you: A) Release the cheapest in the range first so that everyone buys one and the market is immediately sated, with only the fashion conscious and wealthy replacing their existing product with the more expensive in the range? B) Delay the release so that you can launch all the range at once, confusing your market (and perhaps antagonising them through the delay) and letting them enter at any price point (probably the lowest)? C) Release the high-end product first, creating exclusivity and letting those who are willing to pay a higher price get earlier access? CCP have chosen C, it is the easiest way to test the market. No one needs to buy these vanity items and most wonÆt until we can leave our quarters, so there is plenty of time for CCP to adjust prices. But we're not looking at a particularly high-end product. The Noble Exchange exists within an already established gaming market, and a pair of virtual trousers already has a perceived worth. The Noble Exchange is attempting to inflate that perceived worth to a degree that many find simply ludicrous, and I don't think it's wrong to question the strategy.
Ludacrys	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:49:00 - [1039] When they change the prices for ABSURD to just RIPOFF because they "listened to the community" im going to laugh so hard
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:50:00 - [1040] Originally by: Marwood Ford But we're not looking at a particularly high-end product. The Noble Exchange exists within an already established gaming market, and a pair of virtual trousers already has a perceived worth. The Noble Exchange is attempting to inflate that perceived worth to a degree that many find simply ludicrous, and I don't think it's wrong to question the strategy. àand to put that perceived worth into perspective, compare the $15-average NeX prices to, say, these skin/dress/pet/emote/service prices. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

miiral Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:54:00 - [1041] Originally by: Ishnadriel Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25 I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... +1 Out of curiosity I checked SL marketplace for item like this. As 1$ IRL is like SL L$250-300, 79$ IRL to thin air is quite a lot or I just don't see the fine craftsmanship of their vanity products
Delta Jax NixCraft IMPERIAL LEGI0N	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:56:00 - [1042] I don't really care about the monocles.. but this is a bad precedent for CCP. Seriously, wtf is going on at CCP HQ? Who let the Finance Team drive this bus off the cliff?
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:00:00 - [1043] You know, for a rage thread this is actually pretty tame. I have two plexes in my hangar. 36 hours ago I was considering breaking them down into Aurum and buying a few things in the NEX. Now I'm wondering if it's even worth it to redeem them for game time. Do I trust a company this shortsighted to make good choices for the future development of this game? I may very well have been one of the "hobbyists" CCP Zinfandel was referring to. I wouldn't think it would be unreasonable to drop a billion isk worth of plexes on a handful of cool items. However, there is no circumstance where a single skirt is more valuable than 30 days of game time. On top of that they aren't destroyed on podding? What kind of carebear crap is that **? This spits in the face of the sandbox philosophy. They're going to ignore their previous standard and create an industructable item? Why? Because they don't want to off the MT customers? Would they have refunded the Ishikone Watch Scorpion upon dustruction, too? I love how CCP justifies the prices of the vanity items with RP arguements, but doesn't stop to consider that the cloning facilities will activate a clone with a 1 million isk contract and then give you a ONE BILLION isk monacle free of charge.** What does this say for Dust 514? CCP has already stated that gear purchased with AUR will be superior. Is the $150 superlaser going to be refunded every time the buyer gets killed?
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 - [1044] Edited by: Cyaxares II on 22/06/2011 16:01:27 Originally by: Jade Constantine But the world of tanks guys "get" microtransactions and the "pay to play model" they know how to price this stuff and use it to leverage development on their core game. They haven't spent the last 2 years developing a "walking in tanks" environment where we can spend 30 quid on a master-gunner-monacle that does nothing at the price of ignoring their core battle engine which languishes somewhere in 2008. wargaming.net announced "World of Warplanes" at E3 just a few weeks ago. It makes sense for companies to diversify their product portfolio once they have managed to established their first title (and this always implies using revenue from the flagship product to finance the development of unrelated games).
Felix Godfrey	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 - [1045] To avoid an overly long post, I'll just have to agree with the other players here... The pricing of these vanity items just doesn't make sense and this coming a perfectly able customer. I learnt the hard way to invest time and money for gaming for the fun. No more, no less. CCP are you suggesting me that your 'assorted internetz cloth1ng' is worth more than, say, a copy of this? I am perplexed.
Viibl Triibl	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:10:00 - [1046] Edited by: Viibl Triibl on 22/06/2011 16:13:28 The part I find most astounding is that there are plenty of other working models for microtransactions in other games. Had CCP benchmarked against even one of those they would've avoided all of this bad press and had a defensible position for the few who would've complained anyway. Microtransactions are successful because of their micro nature. Players don't hesitate to drop $2 here, $8 there because they are small amounts. Couple that with the 100% margin associated with a virtual good and you have a great supplemental revenue stream. This system is nowhere near the spirit of the proven model. You dun goofed.
dgastuffz Caldari Hell's Revenge	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:12:00 - [1047] BS
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:18:00 - [1048] So how long can CCP ignore the elephant in the room? Someone should setup bets! -- Originally by: CCP Elais It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
Gallinari	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:21:00 - [1049] I love everything about the expansion but I cant get over the Aurum prices... XBL avatar items - few bucks a piece PSN Home Items - few bucks a piece a Tshirt from H&M or Aeropostale or AE- 20 bucks Tshirt for your digital character in Eve- 20 bucks Somethings wrong.
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:21:00 - [1050] My guess there has been a order from the top. Do not reply in the forums about the shop and AURUM. If you do we walk you out of the building after you hit "post reply"

J'J'J'Jita Ch'Ch'Ch'Chia Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:23:00 - [1051] Whole lotta tears in this thread over items a bunch of whiners said they wouldn't buy anyway. Guess it turns out people wanted these items, huh? Pony up some isk for your indestructible vanity items, kiddos.
Sasio Shihari	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:24:00 - [1052] After my initial anger faded, I got to thinking about how there could be such a ludicrous disconnect between the way micro-transactions work (bulk sales of inexpensive perks) and the bewilderingly overpriced items in the NEX. But I think I understand it now. It's a misunderstanding on the definition of the term "vanity item". When I used to play DDO, I bought my character the $3 green mohawk.. I thought it was cute and liked to see it on the character when I ran around dungeons. Silly, I know, but it was bought for me to see, rather than to impress anybody else. That is the common understanding of 'micro-transaction vanity item'... When CCP said "vanity items" what they meant was BLING. Pointless, often absurd displays of wealth for no reason other than to inform the world that you have money to burn. Items purposefully aimed at the top 10% of earners. While it does bug me that CCP would spend thousands of dollars and quite a bit of time creating items aimed for such a small number of players, it does make sense from a certain point of view. And honestly, at these prices, it would be fine to bring back the NEX Scorpion, as a 1 trillion isk battleship would have virtually no impact on the ship or minerals market, since nobody would ever buy one. But that could be the point I think. Way back when there was talk of customizable skins, CCP said they had concerns about the image of Eve, how New Eden would look if everyone was flying around in puke-green Drakes. These exorbitant prices would winnow down the number of painted ships to a few hundred at most, so the time honoured look of Eve won't be threatened. It is an odd logic, to put so much effort into items designed not to be used by the bulk of the player base... Does make you wonder though, if it's all about Bling, how long before stripped down CONCORD and Jovian ships hit the NEX. There's no market to compete with, and it's all about looks, after all...
Cpt Arareb Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:28:00 - [1053] Edited by: Cpt Arareb on 22/06/2011 16:29:40 Edited by: Cpt Arareb on 22/06/2011 16:28:41 when I saw the prices I gigle a litle, then I was like :yeaaa righ ...my ass... CCP for me at least dont waste ur precious dev time modeling new "second live" like crap ..lol..I mean ...CCp did u ever heard talking about milking? ...I mean ..really ..is just like an terrible cheap and stupid joke...pleeaase I was waiting this for any of other dying MMO¦s out there that trying to survive... and then the Mighty CCP drop this bomb? ...is this april fools?... you better at least try to be a litle more realistic, u might actualy get more money that way...this is like...I want to laugh and at the same time bang my head against the wall of rage for your incredible boldness of just try to insert this crap u made and WITH THESE PRICES? are u MAD CCP??...omg!.. BOTS ARE RUINING THIS GAME
Nguyen VanPhuoc Minmatar Moustache Twirling Space Cads Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:31:00 - [1054] Quality trolling by CCP :D ___________________ MAXimum CAOD!
Brannoncyll The Rip Tide	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:38:00 - [1055] I despise bling in RL, I equally despise it in game. I suspect my Aurum wallet will never peak above zero.
Dalteis	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:39:00 - [1056] Edited by: Dalteis on 22/06/2011 16:40:10 Ya know I won't say it but, I made a post a few days ago and one of my reason's for leaving eve was CCP's Greed coming to bare and everyone LOLed/QQed me .....Now who's Laughing. Also side bet 20mil isk says this gets moved or closed.
cecil b d'milf	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:39:00 - [1057] un f*** ing believable, in what universe would someone with more than 1 braincell think this would actually fly ?
Elar Kurath Caldari Gun Runners	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:41:00 - [1058] Originally by: Mister Smithington I love how CCP justifies the prices of the vanity items with RP arguements, but doesn't stop to consider that the cloning facilities will activate a clone with a 1 million isk contract and then give you a ONE BILLION isk monacle free of charge. What does this say for Dust 514? CCP has already stated that gear purchased with AUR will be superior. Is the $150 superlaser going to be refunded every time the buyer gets killed? This quote is just pure brilliance. I nearly fell off my chair laughing. I am not opposed to micro transactions, but whoever made this decision should get out of their cubicle and interact with real people for a while. CCP seriously has no clue what they are doing, and then trying to justify it with RP reasons is even more hilarious.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:43:00 - [1059] Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Whole lotta tears in this thread over items a bunch of whiners said they wouldn't buy anyway. Guess it turns out people wanted these items, huh? Pony up some isk for your indestructible vanity items, kiddos. Still missing the point and after 30 some odd pages. Has this line of reasoning come down from BizDev? Sure to seem to be a lot of fanboys waving this around. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
DeAdspAwN	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:50:00 - [1060] They must have some freaking fantastic drugs in iceland.

Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:54:00 - [1061] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 22/06/2011 16:57:52 Originally by: Tippia à and to put that perceived worth into perspective, compare the $15-average NeX prices to, say, these skin/dress/pet/emote/service prices. Pet: $6.00 Weapon skin: $7.00 (compare ship paintjob) Whole clothes set: $5.00 Sunglasses pack: $3.50 Full character remake: $7.00 (compare bloodline change) These feel more like "normal" prices. Not just one skirt for $15.00; a whole clothes set (shirt, pants, shoes, jacket) would be like $60.00, which is slightly .. "overpriced".
Jim Luc Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:57:00 - [1062] I remember playing with it on Sisi and thinking - the selection here is tiny, I'm sure they'll release a ton of things on the market when Incarna launches. Unfortunately what was released wasn't even the selection they had on Sisi!!! Why must you continually disappoint CCP??????? Now - I'm reserving judgement to see what they do over the next few months. If they start to introduce more products, and then lower the current stock prices - this will be a good plan. An artificial (realistic) market. The eventual goal being that we can hopefully start manufacturing these goods ourselves, and setting up shops and boutiques on the stations that people can purchase these items.
Webster Carr Gallente Old Freelancers	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:58:00 - [1063] I'll put my .02ISK in with everyone else. AUR prices for items are WAY too high. Items like these in other games with vanity items go for $1 to 2$ per item max. The AUR prices for items need to be 1/4 to 1/10 of what they are now to match that and make purchases even marginally feasible. Put another way, current low PLEX price in Essence is $385MIL. So using in game logic, you just bought a 385MIL ISK dress shirt.... (Of course even at 1/10th price that's 38.5 MIL, so you can either buy a dress shirt or a BattleCruiser...) Bottom line: CCP needs to lower the prices to about 1/10th of what they are currently if they want this experiment to work.
Tarantoga Konstrukteure der Zukunft The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:05:00 - [1064] Well, no one can deny that this prices are ridiculous. But it makes sense in the big picture. Today is the first day after release of Incarna. Remember the costs of T3 cruisers during the first few weeks after they got introduced? I think it took 3-4 months until they dropped to reasonable prices. On the other hand: What would happen if CCP had introduced adequately priced NeX-items (Let¦s say $1-2 per item)? Everybody and his dog would buy plex with plex prices skyrocketing to 500 mio. during the first week. I assume the current price of 400 mio. is so high because a lot of people stockpiled plexes to sell them expensive. Let the morons buy their monocles for 12.000 Aur during the next days. I think a lot of ISK from RTM will gurgle down this sink. No one gets hurt because there is no benefit in buying vanity items and the prices can be adjusted as soon as more items are added to the NeX-Store. But yes, CCPs communication skills are really poor and I don¦t feel very comfortable with the introduction of a new currency. I ¦m not sure if the good old auto-adjusting market mechanisms will work in this case.
Old WiseMan	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:07:00 - [1065] I've got to say that the feel on this thread is absolutely on the money; CCP have completely lost the plot. I sincerely hope that the decimal point is in the wrong place due to a coding error and these items are actually 1/10 of the price they are showing. If not: - 1) I won't ever be increasing my aurum account to more than zero and, 2) Gotta wonder whether I want to keep playing a game where the only aim of the developer is to shamelessly money grab. CCP - disappointing.
Havegun Willtravel	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:18:00 - [1066] I must admit the more i think about this debacle the more i want to lol. An interwebs t-shirt that's more expensive than the one's i buy in RL. A pixel monocle that cost more than my last pair of real glasses. I'm terrified to think what they want to charge for Good stuff in the future that people will really want. Angel Cartel or Gurista's shirts will involve a kidney sale, black leather jackets for a cornea. Waiting patiently for the CCP fail thread of " Oops we missed 2 zero's. it was a bug. sorry " LOL Never have so few failed so many, so hard. Never cease to underwhelm us Dev's.
Borun Tal Minmatar Just Abide	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:21:00 - [1067] This whole thing is classic... Fools raging (about pixels!) over how shadows look in their AVATAR faces in quarters, while (I'd bet anything) those same losers are buying PLEX to get a monocle and shirt!! I having more fun laughing at people on the forums today than I did playing for 10 mins last night!!
Sprawdzacz	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:25:00 - [1068] I got oculars and I can't use them! This is a real fail :/ Buying and trying to wear ocular <== how to use this?!
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:25:00 - [1069] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX. [Cy + blog]
Caleb Defiance Caldari BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:25:00 - [1070] Prices won't drop by market value. CCP have fixed prices on these. They decide the price. I have played this game over 5 years and i almost never *****ed about CCP. I think they are doing an awesome job with all the cutting edge work in MMO world. The potential for Incarna is huge, but i agree...for 5 years of work en looking at the video's they posted about Carbon, i wonder where it is. My toon sticks his hands through his coat when he is sitting down for example. but still. Dust comming in and being tied into EVE...never done before..awesome. the thing that strikes me most is what the OP started with. OMG what a prices for these items. Who is going to pay a month of playtime for a piece of clothing. With all the respect i have for CCP and the work they do....this is a cheap shot i think. Normally i don't go with the trolls...but this time i agree with all the comments about the money grab that CCP is displaying. I hope they will change these prices or a lot of people will not only never buy something from the store...people will leave because the heart of CCP has changed into a money grabbing wolf.

TMaxximus Psychotic Disorders Dangerous By Design	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:27:00 - [1071] thinking of selling all my worldly possessions so that i can buy a virtual shop in the station when they open that part up... a licence to print money i feel!!!!
Kara Kaprica Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:28:00 - [1072] This is ridiculously funny.Other games that have vanity items (That other people can see mind, so you can actually BE Vane, not just look at your monitor and go, "sweet") Have them at the price of a few ú's, for multiple items. Take LOTRO or STO. Both have lots of vanity items in their respective shops. and the prices, are literally, 20 times cheaper than NEX. CCP, Wake up before your next concurent user record is 0 players on a sunday night. People are getting robbed enough in the real world, we dont need robbing by you, are you trying to pay off the debt of Iceland via EVE?
Dokk Alfar	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:28:00 - [1073] As someone who has purchased every pet possible in other games and always buys the collectors edition game package to get the extra in-game goodies, I have to say CCP you need a new marketing team stat! Overpriced, under developed, and unimpressive in-game swag is not the way to keep your user base happy or involved. Your marketing team is targeting people like me to spend who spend their disposable cash in the virtual playgrounds they enjoy. This time I am sorry to say that your team missed the mark well and truly. Unless the prices come in line with common sense and good corporate citizenship you won't be seeing my $$$'s spent on any Eve vanity items and by the looks of it you won't be seeing a lot of your user base's RL cash. You stuffed it up guys and gals...fix it before those loyal to you start looking around for another sandbox to play in...perhaps one that knows how to spend its development dollars in the right place and doesn't try to rip off their loyal customers.
Miso Hawnee	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:40:00 - [1074] ** you hilmar, ** you with a chainsaw.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:40:00 - [1075] This thread is for page 1 and nothing else! -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st
Ione Hawke	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:42:00 - [1076] Seriously CCP, mayhaps you should have approached this slightly more carefull. If you'd just started stocking the NEX with modest priced items (100-500 AU perhaps) and then finally added some over the top priced no-one would have notice and/or cared and the same idiots would that buy those monocles now, would have bought those items then. On top of those highend sales you would have 50% of the player base buying cheap stuff for a few Aurum without a thought : win. Thats the point of micro transactions, the price is so low no-one even considers it. (why does this need to be explained?)
Joni Festus	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:48:00 - [1077] i usually come on here and tell people to stop whining...but in this case this is absolutely rediculous. The price suggests that in the eve universe a t-shirt is worth the same amount as say a tier 1 navy battleship...if thats the case then im suprised half the people in eve have clothes at all. maybe thats why when you get podded you are naked...
Iko Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:49:00 - [1078] I can safely say that I will never buy anything in the NEX ever for these exorbitant prices they are trying to go for. All other games most vanity items are between one to eight dollars. $68 for a monocle is ludicrous!
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:01:00 - [1079] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 22/06/2011 18:01:13 Originally by: Jim Luc I remember playing with it on Sisi and thinking - the selection here is tiny, I'm sure they'll release a ton of things on the market when Incarna launches. Unfortunately what was released wasn't even the selection they had on Sisi!!! Why must you continually disappoint CCP??????? browse the "Apparel" section on the regular market for a sneak peak of things to come
boseo Gallente Azure Horizon	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:27:00 - [1080] last night I was angry, today I'm disappointed, tomorrow will probably find it laughable, and a few days later god knows. Strongly reminded of this (its for lols btw) youtube link Just replace mum/god with ccp, and son with players.

Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:35:00 - [1081] Wow.. You'd think this was Dominion.. were SO many things took place that effected so many aspects of the game. Lag monster Pirate ship changes SoV mechanics Mom buff Titan AoE removal You know.. **** that actually mattered and effected a wide area of things to being a spaceship pilot. Looks like more people are going to rage and quit over the cost/existence of vanity items.. Just goes to show the overall scope of the real world and how people are today, more concerned with a pedicure than a tire fire. Pathetic. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please.
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:37:00 - [1082] Originally by: boseo last night I was angry, today I'm disappointed, tomorrow will probably find it laughable, and a few days later god knows. Strongly reminded of this (its for lols btw) youtube link Just replace mum/god with ccp, and son with players. OMG LOLS [Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.
I Legionnaire Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:39:00 - [1083] I DUB THE THREADNAUGHT, DESTROYER OF WORLDS! ------------ For honour, and glory.
Gabriel Grimoire Amarr Ascendent. Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:39:00 - [1084] Edited by: Gabriel Grimoire on 22/06/2011 18:41:50 Just sayin' that I ain't buying a goddamned thing from your little store, CCP. That is all. EDIT: Also, even PCGamer thinks you're ******ed for this: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/22/eve-online-now-sells-70-monocles/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Leonard T. Washington gets buck naked for no man.
D Liver	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:41:00 - [1085] Originally by: Spookyjay CASH COW PRODUCTIONS
Ryan Easte Caldari Rura-Penthe	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:51:00 - [1086] I normally look at both sides but this time CCP YOU ARE BEING GREEDY. Mining is the path to enlightenment.
Ryan Easte Caldari Rura-Penthe	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:00:00 - [1087] The only possible explanation for the price could be to create in game social class distinction, in which case vets can afford this. BUT if this is true, please let us lower class buy shabby pirate hats at least. Mining is the path to enlightenment.
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:12:00 - [1088] Edited by: Chidori kun on 22/06/2011 19:13:19 The world is catching on tho slowly... Some are already post in this thread so sorry for hijacking them. http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/22/eve-online-now-sells-70-monocles/ http://blog.mmoga.com/2011/06/eve-online-charging-68-real-dollars-for-space-monocles/ http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/21/controversy-brewing-over-eve-online-microtransactions/ http://www.vg247.com/2011/06/22/eve-online-economy-upset-by-avatar-items/ http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/22/eek-eves-clothing-and-cash-crisis/ http://www.gbgamer.net/2011/06/22/eve-online-economy-upset-by-avatar-items/ Pretty clear right? (edit typo's)
Teako	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:16:00 - [1089] Sub+microstranactions..sorry blatant disgusting megatransactions for utter greed. Bye!
Jedi GrandMaster	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:24:00 - [1090] Disgusted. CCP should heed peoples righteous outcry. The pricing of aurum items displays quite frankly contempt for your player base. U Obviuosly sat down and thought what is the maximum we can get out off our players, if not, was $1000 fielded for 1/2 pair of glasses?, will the fish tank cost the same as a small bungalow in Iceland? Pixelated, cloneable, clothing should not cost more than its real life equivalent, period. Quite frankly I'm disgusted by this play, i can oly hope it was a accountant that suggested these prices, cause it certaily was not a gamer.

tika te	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:24:00 - [1091] Originally by: www.rockpapershotgun.com When you need a diagram to explain how to buy things, somethingÆs probably gone a bit wrong. love it!
Capt LongBow	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:28:00 - [1092] could someone please explain to me how aurum is worth 425mill isk for 3,500 aurum i mean really, clothing is worth 3600 aurum the same price as a faction navy ship. give some one the choice between clothing and a sweet peace of gear ill fly bareback screw that mess.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:28:00 - [1093] Quote: Second, we must sell our units of virtual currency - the AUR - at appropriate rates. No pair of pants, no matter how cool, should cost the same as a new Maserati; similarly, it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay the same price that I would for a faction battleship. So we might sell tiny things or batches of consumable goods for just a few "micro-PLEX," but we would have the option to sell premium content and services at a much higher price point. who is this "Scott Holden" and why does CCP hate him?
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:37:00 - [1094] Anything over 1$ is not a micro transaction! ******ed. So when this shop has 100's of items (or will it be 6 items forever) you'll be spending 1000's of dollars if you want to buy everything. lol. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:40:00 - [1095] Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Quote: Second, we must sell our units of virtual currency - the AUR - at appropriate rates. No pair of pants, no matter how cool, should cost the same as a new Maserati; similarly, it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay the same price that I would for a faction battleship. So we might sell tiny things or batches of consumable goods for just a few "micro-PLEX," but we would have the option to sell premium content and services at a much higher price point. who is this "Scott Holden" and why does CCP hate him? Not just a faction BS. But multiple battle ships! They must've had their discription backwords: it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay LESS that I would for a faction battleship ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
KrustyKrab Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:43:00 - [1096] well, never planned to buy anything anyway (and turned off CQ on all clients), but this is utterly ridiculous lol Stuff goes here
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:49:00 - [1097] Originally by: Gabriel Grimoire Edited by: Gabriel Grimoire on 22/06/2011 18:41:50 Just sayin' that I ain't buying a goddamned thing from your little store, CCP. That is all. EDIT: Also, even PCGamer thinks you're ******ed for this: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/22/eve-online-now-sells-70-monocles/
Everseeker Caldari Northgate	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:51:00 - [1098] Here's what I will ASSUME happened (Cause I can not believe CCP was THAT stupid...) There was a big meeting... all the CCP-Marketeer types, and an intern The topic of the meeting: Determine prices for Vanity Items. Went something like this... Lots of discussion, then, finally: Monacle - 65 Mens shirt - 15 Woman's shirt - 17 etc... etc... The Intern carefully wrote it all down: Monacle - $65 Mens shirt - $15 Woman's shirt - $17 etc... etc... Then he went to his cubicle, converted $ to Aurum, rounding up as needed, and published the numbers to the Devs... Devs thought CCP Marketeers were smoking GOOD crack, but entered the numbers QA thought CCP Marketeers were smoking that dang pickled shark again, but the numbers matched the specs so... and on the ball rolled... right out to us We saw, and quite properly Sh*t our collective pants See, it's all a mistaken conversion... Like mistaking Centimeters for Inches.... no big deal (Unless you're sending a rover to Mars) Soon as the CCP wakes up from the after-launch party, they'll fix this.... yeah PLEASE GOD, FIX THIS! -- EverSeeker
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:53:00 - [1099] Affordable status symbols for everyone!
Carmilla D'Morenta Minmatar Disciples of Night Dominion of Darkness	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:56:00 - [1100] Usually I'm all thumbs up to CCP, but with this... it's laughable. I dare say somewhere in the 37 pages of replies so far someone has said it more eloquently than I can. But guys, what the hell were you smoking?

Mibad	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:57:00 - [1101] CCP obviously does not understand the concept of MICROtransactions It's basically understood as anything $5 and less (sometime a little more but not by much). That's how cash shop games make money because they are "free" such as league of legends, but eve is already sub based so why should we pay out of our noses?
Captain Sonic Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:59:00 - [1102] I dont usualy post on these forums and i dont think iw ever called CCP out for a bad error or bug, BUT now i will, in my eyes this patch or expansion is your worst. Every member of my corp has stations tuurned off, and the NeX obvious monny grab has staind the company badly, as an Icelander i am no longer proud of CCP
Bootleg Jack	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:03:00 - [1103] Originally by: Smog890 this is the worst thing ever in eve lol and i cant exchange isk for aur why the **** now god damn i'm not spending 60$ on a fkin eye thing in rl money. I suppose if you are poor and cannot buy PLEX with isk you might think that this stuff costs RL money. The monocle is about 1.5 bill isk if you buy PLEX with isk. Just because you CAN buy PLEX with $$ doesn't mean you HAVE too...
Borun Tal Minmatar Just Abide	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:06:00 - [1104] Originally by: Bootleg Jack Originally by: Smog890 this is the worst thing ever in eve lol and i cant exchange isk for aur why the **** now god damn i'm not spending 60$ on a fkin eye thing in rl money. I suppose if you are poor and cannot buy PLEX with isk you might think that this stuff costs RL money. The monocle is about 1.5 bill isk if you buy PLEX with isk. Just because you CAN buy PLEX with $$ doesn't mean you HAVE too... Free minerals from mining rox...
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:07:00 - [1105] Oh god this is absolutely embarassing for CCP. vOv
Ais Hellia	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:10:00 - [1106] Edited by: Ais Hellia on 22/06/2011 20:11:06 i don't mind the prices but this clothing produced by so-called "RL fashion designers" is just f... ugly and you dare to call it "noble" shop while the stuff in here is more like meant to be worn by hobos
Di Mulle	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:11:00 - [1107] Originally by: Chidori kun Edited by: Chidori kun on 22/06/2011 19:13:19 The world is catching on tho slowly... Some are already post in this thread so sorry for hijacking them. http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/22/eve-online-now-sells-70-monocles/ http://blog.mmoga.com/2011/06/eve-online-charging-68-real-dollars-for-space-monocles/ http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/21/controversy-brewing-over-eve-online-microtransactions/ http://www.vg247.com/2011/06/22/eve-online-economy-upset-by-avatar-items/ http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/22/eek-eves-clothing-and-cash-crisis/ http://www.gbgamer.net/2011/06/22/eve-online-economy-upset-by-avatar-items/ Pretty clear right? ( Nice digest, thank you.
Urah Dedman Minmatar DEEP-13	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:11:00 - [1108] The Store is completely asinine, the CQ is cumbersome as hell (I mean really, having to deal with the CQ just to dock up and offload some items, or pick something up?). I agree: CQ should be an OPTION to go to after you dock up. And now there's all this bad press and CCP/EvE is being made a total mockery of, and there is NO comms from CCP yet. I've never seen it this bad before in my six years of playing this game. Respect is very hard to earn back once lost, fellas. WTF are you waiting for? Let's hear SOMEthing.
Daxel Magmalloy	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:12:00 - [1109] Edited by: Daxel Magmalloy on 22/06/2011 20:13:30 Lets not forget this is the same company who thought it would be a good idea to post this: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1360067&page=1
Grog Barrel	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:19:00 - [1110] Edited by: Grog Barrel on 22/06/2011 20:19:19 Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Actually I'm laughing at the subtle sales technique. 1 PLEX = 3,500 Aurum aaaand.. wait for it.. "Women's 'Impress' Skirt": 3,600 Aurum! haha priceless. ps: as subtle as an atomic bomb destroying hiroshima.

kardjaval	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:21:00 - [1111] if evrey was cheap as hell, everyone would buy them, it's not bloody rocket science, they are vanity items, only the vain will absolutely want them no matter the cost.
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:21:00 - [1112] Originally by: Grog Barrel Edited by: Grog Barrel on 22/06/2011 20:19:19 Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Actually I'm laughing at the subtle sales technique. 1 PLEX = 3,500 Aurum aaaand.. wait for it.. "Women's 'Impress' Skirt": 3,600 Aurum! haha priceless. ps: as subtle as an atomic bomb destroying hiroshima. Normally i'd call that nuke joke over-doing-it, but in this case you're actually right. vOv
Angadia Hawaladar	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:26:00 - [1113] Nice one CCP you shot yourself in the face with a bazooka. What possessed you to pull this sh!t on your loyal players? You know who this reminds me of? MindArk, yeah it's exactly something those greedy skumbags consistently do to their (shrinking) playerbase. I would never have believed it of you guys-I respected you. But there it is right in front of my eyes...maaan.... I feel sick now. Sick and Betrayed.
Zofe Stormcaller Archron Dusyfe Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:34:00 - [1114] Edited by: Zofe Stormcaller on 22/06/2011 20:35:26 Seriously, I don't get this. What I get even less is that a very small number of people are buying items. I'm not buying an in game item that costs more than a real item that I can actually wear. I'll need to cash in 2 plexes worth 30 quid to get a virtual pencil skirt that I can buy from Next for 25... I'm not a hater of CQ but I'm not going to buy anything for my char at those prices, despite me buying complete outfits for characters in other games and in second life...
Naloth	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:50:00 - [1115] I'm sure in 38 pages someone has said it before, but this isn't evidence of CCP being greedy to me. This is evidence that someone screwed the frak up. At $60 per whatever, I'd be shocked if more than 1000 people buy it. But at $6 per whatever, it wouldn't surprise me if 100000 people bought one. Simple math, it's why real companies only price gouge to a certain extent. They'll either fix it soon and claim patch day error or fix it in a week and claim marketing research. Or they'll never fix it, in which case they're idiots. Which is totally possible, of course.
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:58:00 - [1116] Originally by: Naloth I'm sure in 38 pages someone has said it before, but this isn't evidence of CCP being greedy to me. This is evidence that someone screwed the frak up. At $60 per whatever, I'd be shocked if more than 1000 people buy it. But at $6 per whatever, it wouldn't surprise me if 100000 people bought one. Simple math, it's why real companies only price gouge to a certain extent. They'll either fix it soon and claim patch day error or fix it in a week and claim marketing research. Or they'll never fix it, in which case they're idiots. Which is totally possible, of course. Well i hope it's just a big **** up and see a redface reply from CCP "oopsorrywemadeamistake" Anyways we are now all most 24 hours after incarna gone online.. still no reaction at all from CCP.. Guess they are serious about this and some people will/are feel(ing) focked sideways
Greg lawlers	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:59:00 - [1117]
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:05:00 - [1118] Well it seems like they did not make a mistake with the prices, and thus, for the first time since i started playing EVE long ago i consider leaving for good. I was thinking about getting the odd vanity item once Incarna had reached a further stage of development at the point when we can actually interact with people, but that is all out the window. With that said that isn't the reason i may quit, the reason is more of a what next CCP stand point, if CCP are willing to charge these sorts of stupid prices then what is next. It is just offensive to charge such prices and also to do **** like make some items 3600, which is 100 more then what a plex will give you, forcing you to use two plex's if you wan't most of the items at least. This could have serious effects on the EVE market but they do not seem to care. I guess what it comes down to is this, too many players are buying plex's to run there EVE account, instead of paying the monthly subscription fee and CCP are losing money, so they are trying to find ways to increase PLEX prices. It also now all makes sense why there is never any new content for most of the game, if they bring in new industrial ships for example, that mine faster and better, people can make ISK easier and thus afford PLEX's easier, meaning more people would switch to PLEX's and stop paying CCP monthly subscription fees, I personally have always paid the monthly subscription fee, so i can get the most out of the game, but who knows --------------------------
Darq Sarkon	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:27:00 - [1119] *bump
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:36:00 - [1120] Originally by: Umega Wow.. You'd think this was Dominion.. were SO many things took place that effected so many aspects of the game. Lag monster Pirate ship changes SoV mechanics Mom buff Titan AoE removal HEY MORON It's awfully hard to complain about the game mechanic related content in an expansion that DOESNT FCKING HAVE ANY ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)

Ay Liz Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:36:00 - [1121] Back to the first page where you belong.
Neothas	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:40:00 - [1122] Yep, this one needs to stay on page one. I love finally getting to walk around, really. I also dont mind having the option of paying ISK or plex for vanity items. The pricing is just wrong though. I could have a Rorqual for the cost of a monocle. Cut a 0 off the prices and then we can talk.
Yirrkala Wombarra	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:40:00 - [1123] Dear CCP: Please take note that I will be letting my three subscriptions run out, and will let them remain dormant until such time as you get your collective heads out of your @sses and straighten the feck up regarding "micro" transactions and forced CQ. I realize that my miniscule three accounts add up to nearly nothing in the scheme of things, but realize: a raging flood is made up of but one raindrop at a time.
Drifnir Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:44:00 - [1124] CCP, have you lost what little sense you had left?!? This is just silly, and wth is with the pointless CQ? Only nice bit about it was the TV-thing and that was good for 2mins at most. Some potential there, look into it, please.
Yoruichi kun	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:58:00 - [1125] bump
Planetary Genocide Gallente Nebulosus Malum	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:02:00 - [1126] Edited by: Planetary Genocide on 22/06/2011 22:02:57 I bought a PLEX before this expansion hoping that it would be put to good use. It was. I resubbed my alt instead, because this is **ing ridiculous. I was expecting maybe prices that were a tenth of what they actually are right now. But no, I get a **ing useless monocle that nobody else will ever see for the equivalent of two tanks of gas, and not much more. I was expecting maybe 25-30 different items at a price that would be considered reasonable by sane consumers, but I suppose I should've known better. Bloody hell
Ben Fenix Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:03:00 - [1127] Originally by: Zeko Rena Well it seems like they did not make a mistake with the prices, and thus, for the first time since i started playing EVE long ago i consider leaving for good. I was thinking about getting the odd vanity item once Incarna had reached a further stage of development at the point when we can actually interact with people, but that is all out the window. With that said that isn't the reason i may quit, the reason is more of a what next CCP stand point, if CCP are willing to charge these sorts of stupid prices then what is next. It is just offensive to charge such prices and also to do ** like make some items 3600, which is 100 more then what a plex will give you, forcing you to use two plex's if you wan't most of the items at least. This could have serious effects on the EVE market but they do not seem to care. I guess what it comes down to is this, too many players are buying plex's to run there EVE account, instead of paying the monthly subscription fee and CCP are losing money, so they are trying to find ways to increase PLEX prices. It also now all makes sense why there is never any new content for most of the game, if they bring in new industrial ships for example, that mine faster and better, people can make ISK easier and thus afford PLEX's easier, meaning more people would switch to PLEX's and stop paying CCP monthly subscription fees, I personally have always paid the monthly subscription fee, so i can get the most out of the game, but who knows You're right. Makes pretty much sense. Never the less I think CCP literally punched all of their players right in the face with full force! I'm feeling pretty betrayed by CCP. And it's not just me. A lot of players were really looking foward to experience their first steps out of their pods. In the past when people had asked me what kind of game EVE is I was always excited to tell them about shiny ships and cruel metagaming. Things I always connected with the game. Right now I'm just connecting being screwed by CCP! Thank you CCP for opening my eyes and showing me your true nature. You have broken my trust in you completely. It's like in your own game: Your reputaion is your most valuable property! Introducing those prices for vanity items was he first step in ruining your name. Maybe you CCP should consider remembering the basics: "Word-of-mouth recommendation is one of the most profitably and at the same time one of the most devastating things for your comany."** Enough said. We will see what impact comes next by CRUEL CONCEPTS PRODUCTION. __________________________________ Space is massive. Humanity is not.
Nikki West	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:16:00 - [1128]
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:27:00 - [1129] Originally by: Zofe Stormcaller Edited by: Zofe Stormcaller on 22/06/2011 20:35:26 Seriously, I don't get this. What I get even less is that a very small number of people are buying items. Simple, Supply and Demand. Also, If you make something expensive enough some people will buy it because its expensive, however most people will not bother with it. If you make something cheap enough however, lots of people will buy it because its cheap. CCP went with the wrong attitude. everything is WAY too expensive, making it unlikely that anyone will buy those items. Especially considering most of those items don't look all that great to begin with. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Linis Erens Caldari Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:34:00 - [1130] Supply and demand, prices will be adjusted accordingly over time. This thread is dumb... and I'll never buy anything either way.

George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:54:00 - [1131] Originally by: Darq Sarkon *bump
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:00:00 - [1132] Originally by: Linis Erens Supply and demand, prices will be adjusted accordingly over time. This thread is dumb... and I'll never buy anything either way. You're missing the point. This is not about supply and demand. This is about the principle of pricing. They are pricing themselves out of the market, and insulting a wide range of gamers over it. They have really ****ed up.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:01:00 - [1133] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Umega Wow.. You'd think this was Dominion.. were SO many things took place that effected so many aspects of the game. Lag monster Pirate ship changes SoV mechanics Mom buff Titan AoE removal HEY MORON It's awfully hard to complain about the game mechanic related content in an expansion that DOESNT FCKING HAVE ANY Hence the point.. The game, for the grand scheme of things that makes EVE, EVE.. is the same. People are crying and quiting.. with things that are completely irrelevent. Sorry you can't afford what you want.. given your CAP DEROGATORY response, you're angry inside from being hurt. What did CCP do to you exactly, hmmm? Quite honestly, you and a lot of people need to blame your parents for raising spoiled, greedy, 'my way or die' attitude lil pricks. No one is going to care what you look like. Only you. That goes for everyone that gives a ** about noble/aurum. It's irrelevent. CQ/Incarna will grow in time, as they have stated Repeatedly.. and if your machine can't handle it, again.. blame yourselves. These forums are so full of self rightous asshats that believe their ** spring roses and their $ goes further cause they have a mouth. 50 cents USD a day equates to complete virtual entitlement? Anyone that quits.. I ask that you donate your subs value to feeding childern or homeless animals that are happy with nothing more than a friendly smile and a glass of water. If EVE didn't die after what Dominion did.. Incarna isn't going to end up being a drop in the subdown-bucket. Being a drama queen solves nothing.. and CCP, or any company.. isn't going to pay attention to a couple rambling idiots going on and on with their army of alts about their disgruntled opinions while they still fork over money. Going to quit over vanity.. get on with it folks. I look forward to the forums clearing up so rational people can get back to talking about the game that is EVE. If my words offend any of you.. go talk to a mirror about it. There are better ways to address concerns. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please.
Bloodstromme	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:03:00 - [1134] CCP should outsource to China, they make real clothes, for much cheaper. I'm sure they can do the NeX items for a fraction of the price
Sieges	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:13:00 - [1135] Originally by: Tobin Shalim Where's the 'like' button on the OP? This is freakin' insane. LOL this isn't Facebook Seriously though. Prices are too high.
Duno666 Caldari Honorem Ad Infinitum	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:15:00 - [1136] There are a lot of things that CCP has done that I have supported them on, being not only a programmer but also a fellow game dev. First iterations are important to have to understand what the populous thinks about the new stuff. This new NeX store, however, is metric-**tonnes of player-hating. Either CCP is really in the need for cash, or they have no real notion of how much people are willing to spend for ***** secondary items for an avatar that no-one can see yet! Fix this, CCP. Just drop a zero or two from each and every item. If everything is cheap, then many people will be buying them! Nothing should cost more a single PLEX, no matter how much you want it to be 'worth'. Blogage The blog of Duno! The YouTube of Duno!
Haruki Tekitsu	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:18:00 - [1137] Originally by: Umega Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Umega Wow.. You'd think this was Dominion.. were SO many things took place that effected so many aspects of the game. Lag monster Pirate ship changes SoV mechanics Mom buff Titan AoE removal HEY MORON It's awfully hard to complain about the game mechanic related content in an expansion that DOESNT FCKING HAVE ANY Hence the point.. The game, for the grand scheme of things that makes EVE, EVE.. is the same. People are crying and quiting.. with things that are completely irrelevent. Sorry you can't afford what you want.. given your CAP DEROGATORY response, you're angry inside from being hurt. What did CCP do to you exactly, hmmm? Quite honestly, you and a lot of people need to blame your parents for raising spoiled, greedy, 'my way or die' attitude lil pricks. No one is going to care what you look like. Only you. That goes for everyone that gives a ** about noble/aurum. It's irrelevent. CQ/Incarna will grow in time, as they have stated Repeatedly.. and if your machine can't handle it, again.. blame yourselves. These forums are so full of self rightous asshats that believe their ** spring roses and their $ goes further cause they have a mouth. 50 cents USD a day equates to complete virtual entitlement? Anyone that quits.. I ask that you donate your subs value to feeding childern or homeless animals that are happy with nothing more than a friendly smile and a glass of water. If EVE didn't die after what Dominion did.. Incarna isn't going to end up being a drop in the subdown-bucket. Being a drama queen solves nothing.. and CCP, or any company.. isn't going to pay attention to a couple rambling idiots going on and on with their army of alts about their disgruntled opinions while they still fork over money. Going to quit over vanity.. get on with it folks. I look forward to the forums clearing up so rational people can get back to talking about the game that is EVE. If my words offend any of you.. go talk to a mirror about it. There are better ways to address concerns. Applause for that post. Guys n gals if you dont want a 25 usd skirt just don't buy it. I wont for sure. Yes there is someone at CCP who is a total public relations noob. And lately someone who probably needs to be draged onto the carpet or fired. I like the new expansion. Look beyond the fluff for now. its gonna be groundbreaking.
Skogen Gump The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:19:00 - [1138] Originally by: Umega Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Umega Wow.. You'd think this was Dominion.. were SO many things took place that effected so many aspects of the game. Lag monster Pirate ship changes SoV mechanics Mom buff Titan AoE removal HEY MORON It's awfully hard to complain about the game mechanic related content in an expansion that DOESNT FCKING HAVE ANY Hence the point.. The game, for the grand scheme of things that makes EVE, EVE.. is the same. People are crying and quiting.. with things that are completely irrelevent. Sorry you can't afford what you want.. given your CAP DEROGATORY response, you're angry inside from being hurt. What did CCP do to you exactly, hmmm? Quite honestly, you and a lot of people need to blame your parents for raising spoiled, greedy, 'my way or die' attitude lil pricks. No one is going to care what you look like. Only you. That goes for everyone that gives a ** about noble/aurum. It's irrelevent. CQ/Incarna will grow in time, as they have stated Repeatedly.. and if your machine can't handle it, again.. blame yourselves. These forums are so full of self rightous asshats that believe their ** spring roses and their $ goes further cause they have a mouth. 50 cents USD a day equates to complete virtual entitlement? Anyone that quits.. I ask that you donate your subs value to feeding childern or homeless animals that are happy with nothing more than a friendly smile and a glass of water. If EVE didn't die after what Dominion did.. Incarna isn't going to end up being a drop in the subdown-bucket. Being a drama queen solves nothing.. and CCP, or any company.. isn't going to pay attention to a couple rambling idiots going on and on with their army of alts about their disgruntled opinions while they still fork over money. Going to quit over vanity.. get on with it folks. I look forward to the forums clearing up so rational people can get back to talking about the game that is EVE. If my words offend any of you.. go talk to a mirror about it. There are better ways to address concerns. Amen. AMEN. Star Fraction
Linis Erens Caldari Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:26:00 - [1139] Originally by: Vin Hellsing Originally by: Linis Erens Supply and demand, prices will be adjusted accordingly over time. This thread is dumb... and I'll never buy anything either way. You're missing the point. This is not about supply and demand. This is about the principle of pricing. They are pricing themselves out of the market, and insulting a wide range of gamers over it. They have really ****ed up. You're missing the point, cosmetic items only appeal to certain percentage of the player base. CCP can charge whatever they want, if the items sell, prices stay the same, if they don't then they go down. And how about people that like to buy shiny new stuff, you get them at the higher price. Then after a while if sales aren't going well, reduce the prices, get the people that now see the items priced at what they consider "right". You seem to be annoyed that CCP isn't charging what you want them to charge for pixels. Sadly no business works that way.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:34:00 - [1140] Originally by: Umega Wow.. Being a drama queen solves nothing.. and CCP, or any company.. isn't going to pay attention to a couple rambling idiots going on and on with their army of alts about their disgruntled opinions while they still fork over money. News Flash. This isn't just a "couple of rambling idiots" we are talking about. This is virtually HALF OF EVE that's angry at CCP for this Noble Marketplace bull****. I can tell you with confidence that all of the roleplayers I know, are insulted by the prices. None of them will agree to such a system.

Bklyn 1	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:36:00 - [1141] Originally by: Benilopax Two CCP guys being torn to pieces in Help channel on TQ. They are trying to justify the prices with RP answers. Funny because the rp aspect is just another nail in the coffin for me. It really ruins the rp/immersion aspect of the game to think that a pair of pants costs the same as a fully outfitted and crewed (though I guess the crew are naked) top-of-the line battleship.
Gabriel Grimoire Amarr Ascendent. Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:37:00 - [1142] Originally by: Umega Hence the point.. The game, for the grand scheme of things that makes EVE, EVE.. is the same. People are crying and quiting.. with things that are completely irrelevent. Sorry you can't afford what you want.. given your CAP DEROGATORY response, you're angry inside from being hurt. What did CCP do to you exactly, hmmm? Quite honestly, you and a lot of people need to blame your parents for raising spoiled, greedy, 'my way or die' attitude lil pricks. No one is going to care what you look like. Only you. That goes for everyone that gives a ** about noble/aurum. It's irrelevent. CQ/Incarna will grow in time, as they have stated Repeatedly.. and if your machine can't handle it, again.. blame yourselves. These forums are so full of self rightous asshats that believe their ** spring roses and their $ goes further cause they have a mouth. 50 cents USD a day equates to complete virtual entitlement? Anyone that quits.. I ask that you donate your subs value to feeding childern or homeless animals that are happy with nothing more than a friendly smile and a glass of water. If EVE didn't die after what Dominion did.. Incarna isn't going to end up being a drop in the subdown-bucket. Being a drama queen solves nothing.. and CCP, or any company.. isn't going to pay attention to a couple rambling idiots going on and on with their army of alts about their disgruntled opinions while they still fork over money. Going to quit over vanity.. get on with it folks. I look forward to the forums clearing up so rational people can get back to talking about the game that is EVE. If my words offend any of you.. go talk to a mirror about it. There are better ways to address concerns. Not all of us are saying we're going to quit. A good number of us, myself included, are simply making it known that we will not be purchasing any of the insanely overpriced, badly designed (read: ugly), piece of crap vanity items from CCPs new little pet store project. Could I afford them? Sure. I spend more than enough money per month on Scotch to buy every little vanity item offered currently. Do I think they are in any way remotely worth the price? Hell f*cking no. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and these forums are here so people can voice theirs. If peoples opinions offend you, don't read them. Your post seems to indicate that awfully butthurt right now over a thread that you made a conscious choice to come and read... I think you might wanna follow your own advice and go talk to a mirror instead of making rage posts. If EVE is still EVE, like you say, none of what's being said in this thread should matter a lick to you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Leonard T. Washington gets buck naked for no man.
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:38:00 - [1143] Originally by: Linis Erens You seem to be annoyed that CCP isn't charging what you want them to charge for pixels. Sadly no business works that way. Just annoyed by paying a subscription fee for a game that doesn't really change for 18 months, doesn't get the fixes it actually needs, then ends up being set up as framework for cash grabbing. You're right, it doesn't work that way.
Ed Sullivan	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:39:00 - [1144] Originally by: Haruki Tekitsu Originally by: Umega Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Umega Wow.. You'd think this was Dominion.. were SO many things took place that effected so many aspects of the game. Lag monster Pirate ship changes SoV mechanics Mom buff Titan AoE removal HEY MORON It's awfully hard to complain about the game mechanic related content in an expansion that DOESNT FCKING HAVE ANY Hence the point.. The game, for the grand scheme of things that makes EVE, EVE.. is the same. People are crying and quiting.. with things that are completely irrelevent. Sorry you can't afford what you want.. given your CAP DEROGATORY response, you're angry inside from being hurt. What did CCP do to you exactly, hmmm? Quite honestly, you and a lot of people need to blame your parents for raising spoiled, greedy, 'my way or die' attitude lil pricks. No one is going to care what you look like. Only you. That goes for everyone that gives a ** about noble/aurum. It's irrelevent. CQ/Incarna will grow in time, as they have stated Repeatedly.. and if your machine can't handle it, again.. blame yourselves. These forums are so full of self rightous asshats that believe their ** spring roses and their $ goes further cause they have a mouth. 50 cents USD a day equates to complete virtual entitlement? Anyone that quits.. I ask that you donate your subs value to feeding childern or homeless animals that are happy with nothing more than a friendly smile and a glass of water. If EVE didn't die after what Dominion did.. Incarna isn't going to end up being a drop in the subdown-bucket. Being a drama queen solves nothing.. and CCP, or any company.. isn't going to pay attention to a couple rambling idiots going on and on with their army of alts about their disgruntled opinions while they still fork over money. Going to quit over vanity.. get on with it folks. I look forward to the forums clearing up so rational people can get back to talking about the game that is EVE. If my words offend any of you.. go talk to a mirror about it. There are better ways to address concerns. Applause for that post. Guys n gals if you dont want a 25 usd skirt just don't buy it. I wont for sure. Yes there is someone at CCP who is a total public relations noob. And lately someone who probably needs to be draged onto the carpet or fired. I like the new expansion. Look beyond the fluff for now. its gonna be groundbreaking. It's not that we don't like the skirt. It's that CCP just basically told us 'I hate you'.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:49:00 - [1145] Originally by: Morgan Polaris Originally by: Linis Erens You seem to be annoyed that CCP isn't charging what you want them to charge for pixels. Sadly no business works that way. Just annoyed by paying a subscription fee for a game that doesn't really change for 18 months, doesn't get the fixes it actually needs, then ends up being set up as framework for cash grabbing. You're right, it doesn't work that way. For those saying that this is no big deal, think about the above. In one scenario, CCP could spend its income on maybe -one- side project, and really focus on making EVE better, growing EVE more, and fixing all of those bugs. This keeps a happy, healthy customer-developer relationship while allowing some room for future projects. In the current environment, space combat is competing for resources and money with the new walking in stations part of EVE, DUST, and WoD. CCP's income is 100% from EVE and its IP right now. If nothing else, screwing with your only customer base by ignoring them if not a financially safe way to ensure your company exists in 5 years. ______________________________
Linis Erens Caldari Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:54:00 - [1146] Edited by: Linis Erens on 22/06/2011 23:54:30 Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Morgan Polaris Originally by: Linis Erens You seem to be annoyed that CCP isn't charging what you want them to charge for pixels. Sadly no business works that way. Just annoyed by paying a subscription fee for a game that doesn't really change for 18 months, doesn't get the fixes it actually needs, then ends up being set up as framework for cash grabbing. You're right, it doesn't work that way. For those saying that this is no big deal, think about the above. In one scenario, CCP could spend its income on maybe -one- side project, and really focus on making EVE better, growing EVE more, and fixing all of those bugs. This keeps a happy, healthy customer-developer relationship while allowing some room for future projects. In the current environment, space combat is competing for resources and money with the new walking in stations part of EVE, DUST, and WoD. CCP's income is 100% from EVE and its IP right now. If nothing else, screwing with your only customer base by ignoring them if not a financially safe way to ensure your company exists in 5 years. What is the added income from cosmetic items going to used on? I don't know, you don't either but I doubt they are going to pocket it. Another revenue stream that in no way effects gameplay, is beneficial to the game as a whole. Again I will say that I have no intention of buying anything, ever. (I've played like 600 hours of TF2, never bought a thing from the Mann Co Store either). I don't understand how anyone can think options are a terrible thing, especially when the income they generate can be beneficial for the business and the game as a whole.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:02:00 - [1147] Originally by: Linis Erens I don't understand how anyone can think options are a terrible thing, especially when the income they generate can be beneficial for the business and the game as a whole. Well, there are a few issues at hand. It's not just about the price, though the price -is- pretty terrible considering the real-life objects cost less than their digital counterparts. That aside, there have been many clashes between player and developer in the last couple of years over a lack of focus on making EVE's core spaceship play better. The excuse for 5 years has been Incarna, with those shouts becoming louder when things got bad what, 18 months ago? Then the first iteration of Incarna comes, and we get a FPS-eating room to stand in, and insanely prices cosmetic items. The outcry would be far less if we were also getting large amounts of actual game content aside from Incarna, but those resources and money are being spent on DUST and WoD. CCP said many times that EVE would not suffer from this and that everything would be okay, and recent actions only show more explicitly how untrue this statement is. ______________________________
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:23:00 - [1148] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Linis Erens I don't understand how anyone can think options are a terrible thing, especially when the income they generate can be beneficial for the business and the game as a whole. Well, there are a few issues at hand. It's not just about the price, though the price -is- pretty terrible considering the real-life objects cost less than their digital counterparts. That aside, there have been many clashes between player and developer in the last couple of years over a lack of focus on making EVE's core spaceship play better. The excuse for 5 years has been Incarna, with those shouts becoming louder when things got bad what, 18 months ago? Then the first iteration of Incarna comes, and we get a FPS-eating room to stand in, and insanely prices cosmetic items. The outcry would be far less if we were also getting large amounts of actual game content aside from Incarna, but those resources and money are being spent on DUST and WoD. CCP said many times that EVE would not suffer from this and that everything would be okay, and recent actions only show more explicitly how untrue this statement is. Just remember the PLEX BUBBLE CCP in their Trolling created and believed would last forever, increasing expenditure, even the supposed "leak" doccument, if its real hints at this. CCP is aiming to grab as much money as they can by switching the target population of the Game. ---Archipelago Theory---
Dreya Renthold	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:40:00 - [1149] Over 1100 replys and 39 pages. With not one of them being from CCP. sigh
Alexi Blue Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:42:00 - [1150] Originally by: Dreya Renthold Over 1100 replys and 39 pages. With not one of them being from CCP. sigh They are too busy plotting new ways to make more money. ---

Ori Empress United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:47:00 - [1151] Greed is such a powerful force.
Dunarad	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:59:00 - [1152] This is bull****.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:00:00 - [1153] OK, CCP. Since it's obvious your greed is driving these prices, let me point something out to you with an example of proper microtransactioning. $5 USD for One shirt: People are very persuaded to buy it. 10,000 people buy. Company makes $50,000. $15 USD for one shirt: People are offended, and those with more money than sense buy it. 500 customers. Company makes $7,500. Now, which would you prefer to see? A $50,000 income on lower prices because you are appealing to thrifty customers who are living on decided reduced incomes in their lives (HELLO, ** ICELAND'S ECONOMY. THE GLOBAL ECONOMY IS ALSO ED. TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, DUMBS!), where you are able to persuade them to open their wallets for a single PLEX purchase that would grant them a number of items and perks in the Noble Exchange. Or would you rather have this? $7,500 from people who have more money than sense and a very, very angry playerbase that would be apt to gut you idiots alive at the next CCP event? Think carefully, morons. The economist you have on your payroll only looks at numbers, not at sense. He is a "Money over sense" person, and that is what **es us all off. Fire the moron. Also, fire whoever thought it was a bright idea to try to coerce us into buying multiple PLEX to purchase a SINGLE. VANITY. ITEM. P.S. "Vanity" does not always equate to "EXPENSIVE-ASS DOUCHEBAGGERY".
xavier69 Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:02:00 - [1154] aye 70 dollar appearnce items for your wow eve characters... THATS GEY AS HELL ! XOXOXOXO
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:14:00 - [1155] Originally by: Vin Hellsing OK, CCP. Since it's obvious your greed is driving these prices, let me point something out to you with an example of proper microtransactioning. $5 USD for One shirt: People are very persuaded to buy it. 10,000 people buy. Company makes $50,000. $15 USD for one shirt: People are offended, and those with more money than sense buy it. 500 customers. Company makes $7,500. Now, which would you prefer to see? A $50,000 income on lower prices because you are appealing to thrifty customers who are living on decided reduced incomes in their lives (HELLO, ** ICELAND'S ECONOMY. THE GLOBAL ECONOMY IS ALSO ED. TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, DUMBS!), where you are able to persuade them to open their wallets for a single PLEX purchase that would grant them a number of items and perks in the Noble Exchange. Or would you rather have this? $7,500 from people who have more money than sense and a very, very angry playerbase that would be apt to gut you idiots alive at the next CCP event? Think carefully, morons. The economist you have on your payroll only looks at numbers, not at sense. He is a "Money over sense" person, and that is what **es us all off. Fire the moron. Also, fire whoever thought it was a bright idea to try to coerce us into buying multiple PLEX to purchase a SINGLE. VANITY. ITEM. P.S. "Vanity" does not always equate to "EXPENSIVE-ASS DOUCHEBAGGERY". I absolutely love that you crunched the numbers here. Thanks for mathematically torpedoing the idea that CCP is trying to rip off everyone and fill their pockets with greed. Does anyone here think that $50,000 means anything at all to CCP?? What a joke. For a company that brings in millions a year in subscription fees, the amount of revenue brought in by microtransactions in the form they've implemented is completely irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. And yes, vanity most certainly does equate to expensive ass douchebaggery. Look at anyone with a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes, Louis Vuitton purse, or Prada shades. This was never intended to be monocles for the masses. It was always intended as monocles for the l33t.
Hildegaard Russell	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:22:00 - [1156] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen For a company that brings in millions a year in subscription fees, the amount of revenue brought in by microtransactions *in the form they've implemented* is completely irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. (emphasis mine) This is the point many are making. Given the dev blog said that these vanity sales would both test the market for further Incarna customisable content and fund the development of it, those of us who would like more content and who would buy more content are deeply concerned that CCP has made a decision that will strangle the income they've told us will pay for more content development. If greed is driving these prices, it's pretty stupid, short-sighted greed.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:25:00 - [1157] Originally by: Vin Hellsing P.S. "Vanity" does not always equate to "EXPENSIVE-ASS DOUCHEBAGGERY". It doesn't? I don't know.. this thread, and honestly your own posts.. would sure make an outsider think otherwise. I can pull numbers out of my ass too.. and since these are the forums and everyone is right, my numbers are correct.. 85% of the EVE populace doesn't actually give a ** about vanity items one way or the other. Yup.. 85%. The flaming hordes are correct in their blind rage, naturally.. its how video game forums work. you CCP.. being a company trying to make money, that's so wrong. You're such ***s for trying to make money off us while we give it to you to play your product, its still OUR money even tho we gave it to you and you should spend it OUR way. you CCP for not forcing us to buy things we don't need.. yeah you heard, you CCP for that! you CCP for listening to 'everyone' *** about instation last year, but 'everyone' not wanting it this year.. WAAAH.. WAAAAAAH.. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. You, CCP.. are obviously the stupid ones. Not us, the rambling 'majority'! It's so clear.. don't you get it, CCP. WAAAAAAAAH!!!!! WHY AREN'T YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO US!!??!!11!! Oh god.. OH GOD.. OH MY GOD.. why isn't CCP responding! I need their attention.. I demand it Now! They don't care about me. ---- EVE forums are a professor's wet dream on where to direct his students for a psychological experiment/analysis mid-term. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please.
Bellatrix Khanista	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:26:00 - [1158] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Originally by: Vin Hellsing OK, CCP. Since it's obvious your greed is driving these prices, let me point something out to you with an example of proper microtransactioning. $5 USD for One shirt: People are very persuaded to buy it. 10,000 people buy. Company makes $50,000. $15 USD for one shirt: People are offended, and those with more money than sense buy it. 500 customers. Company makes $7,500. Now, which would you prefer to see? A $50,000 income on lower prices because you are appealing to thrifty customers who are living on decided reduced incomes in their lives (HELLO, ** ICELAND'S ECONOMY. THE GLOBAL ECONOMY IS ALSO ED. TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, DUMBS!), where you are able to persuade them to open their wallets for a single PLEX purchase that would grant them a number of items and perks in the Noble Exchange. Or would you rather have this? $7,500 from people who have more money than sense and a very, very angry playerbase that would be apt to gut you idiots alive at the next CCP event? Think carefully, morons. The economist you have on your payroll only looks at numbers, not at sense. He is a "Money over sense" person, and that is what *es us all off. Fire the moron. Also, fire whoever thought it was a bright idea to try to coerce us into buying multiple PLEX to purchase a SINGLE. VANITY. ITEM. P.S. "Vanity" does not always equate to "EXPENSIVE-ASS DOUCHEBAGGERY". I absolutely love that you crunched the numbers here. Thanks for mathematically torpedoing the idea that CCP is trying to rip off everyone and fill their pockets with greed. Does anyone here think that $50,000 means anything at all to CCP?? What a joke. For a company that brings in millions a year in subscription fees, the amount of revenue brought in by microtransactions in the form they've implemented is completely irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. And yes, vanity most certainly does equate to expensive ass douchebaggery. Look at anyone with a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes, Louis Vuitton purse, or Prada shades. This was never intended to be monocles for the masses. It was always intended as monocles for the l33t. 50K a year means a lot to a company with as much debt as CCP. Especially when the people behind those 50K dollars start bad mouthing the game, giving it bad press causing far MORE people to never give the game a shot, costing CCP far more than 50K a year. Jimmy Choo shoes.... maybe 10x more expensive than a "cheap" version. A freaking skirt costing hundreds of MILLIONS of isk, with which you could buy multiple battleships* or other fun things that do stuff in game? A monocle that costs more than some capital ships? No, that's just stupid. At least Jimmy Choo's shoes are USEFUL in reality. This is beyond a "fashion" statement.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:29:00 - [1159] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Originally by: Vin Hellsing OK, CCP. Since it's obvious your greed is driving these prices, let me point something out to you with an example of proper microtransactioning. $5 USD for One shirt: People are very persuaded to buy it. 10,000 people buy. Company makes $50,000. $15 USD for one shirt: People are offended, and those with more money than sense buy it. 500 customers. Company makes $7,500. Now, which would you prefer to see? A $50,000 income on lower prices because you are appealing to thrifty customers who are living on decided reduced incomes in their lives (HELLO, ** ICELAND'S ECONOMY. THE GLOBAL ECONOMY IS ALSO ED. TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, DUMBS!), where you are able to persuade them to open their wallets for a single PLEX purchase that would grant them a number of items and perks in the Noble Exchange. Or would you rather have this? $7,500 from people who have more money than sense and a very, very angry playerbase that would be apt to gut you idiots alive at the next CCP event? Think carefully, morons. The economist you have on your payroll only looks at numbers, not at sense. He is a "Money over sense" person, and that is what **es us all off. Fire the moron. Also, fire whoever thought it was a bright idea to try to coerce us into buying multiple PLEX to purchase a SINGLE. VANITY. ITEM. P.S. "Vanity" does not always equate to "EXPENSIVE-ASS DOUCHEBAGGERY". I absolutely love that you crunched the numbers here. Thanks for mathematically torpedoing the idea that CCP is trying to rip off everyone and fill their pockets with greed. Does anyone here think that $50,000 means anything at all to CCP?? What a joke. For a company that brings in millions a year in subscription fees, the amount of revenue brought in by microtransactions in the form they've implemented is completely irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. And yes, vanity most certainly does equate to expensive ass douchebaggery. Look at anyone with a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes, Louis Vuitton purse, or Prada shades. This was never intended to be monocles for the masses. It was always intended as monocles for the l33t. Their current prices are 10X what their competitors are charging for similar vanity items. Your argument does not hold water. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Nilania Telshua Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:36:00 - [1160] Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 23/06/2011 01:37:18 Originally by: Umega Originally by: Vin Hellsing I can pull numbers out of my ass too.. and since these are the forums and everyone is right, my numbers are correct.. 85% of the EVE populace doesn't actually give a **** about vanity items one way or the other. Yup.. 85% .... EVE forums are a professor's wet dream on where to direct his students for a psychological experiment/analysis mid-term. Well ~80% is the more correct number with (n > 1.500) http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1395464&page=1 Maybe you should study harder ? On the other hand for some patients to much knowlegde is never healthy...

Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:51:00 - [1161] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Originally by: Vin Hellsing OK, CCP. Since it's obvious your greed is driving these prices, let me point something out to you with an example of proper microtransactioning. $5 USD for One shirt: People are very persuaded to buy it. 10,000 people buy. Company makes $50,000. $15 USD for one shirt: People are offended, and those with more money than sense buy it. 500 customers. Company makes $7,500. Now, which would you prefer to see? A $50,000 income on lower prices because you are appealing to thrifty customers who are living on decided reduced incomes in their lives (HELLO, ** ICELAND'S ECONOMY. THE GLOBAL ECONOMY IS ALSO ED. TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, DUMBS!), where you are able to persuade them to open their wallets for a single PLEX purchase that would grant them a number of items and perks in the Noble Exchange. Or would you rather have this? $7,500 from people who have more money than sense and a very, very angry playerbase that would be apt to gut you idiots alive at the next CCP event? Think carefully, morons. The economist you have on your payroll only looks at numbers, not at sense. He is a "Money over sense" person, and that is what *es us all off. Fire the moron. Also, fire whoever thought it was a bright idea to try to coerce us into buying multiple PLEX to purchase a SINGLE. VANITY. ITEM. P.S. "Vanity" does not always equate to "EXPENSIVE-ASS DOUCHEBAGGERY". I absolutely love that you crunched the numbers here. Thanks for mathematically torpedoing the idea that CCP is trying to rip off everyone and fill their pockets with greed. Does anyone here think that $50,000 means anything at all to CCP?? What a joke. For a company that brings in millions a year in subscription fees, the amount of revenue brought in by microtransactions in the form they've implemented is completely irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. And yes, vanity most certainly does equate to expensive ass douchebaggery. Look at anyone with a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes, Louis Vuitton purse, or Prada shades. This was never intended to be monocles for the masses. It was always intended as monocles for the l33t. Their current prices are 10X what their competitors are charging for similar vanity items. Your argument does not hold water. Pretty much. If I'm going to spend $15-30 on a vanity item, it'll be for something I can actually enjoy. For example, say...the Team Fortress 2 MannConomy "The Emperor's Assortment", which costs about $30. What does it come with? Let's see... opens the box* Eight items: they're weapons, hats, and other useful gadgets that have their own unique properties that are balanced in gameplay. In EVE, I'd be spending that on a single stupid jacket that has no functionality. So, as you can see, the decision-makers in CCP have some really ****ed up sense of currency metrics.
DeAdspAwN	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:01:00 - [1162] People are buying this expensive garbage, look at contracts and look at the market. if people buy this stuff the genius that came up with the idea and the prices gets a pat on his back, and he gets to say "told ya the mooptards would go for it". CCP has yet again cornholed its customers. yeah CCP needs money to pay the guys to write more bad expansions, but...... they have done this in all wrong ways. here is how to fix it. 1.)reinburse the idiots that bought the expensive crap 2.)lower the price of the crap dramaticaly 3.) introduce way more crap (emo sunglasses, dresses for the crossdressers, pirate outfits, etc) its not that hard to texture and skin. people waited 18months for 8 items and a room. 4.) get players use to playing dress up by having clothing randomly drop. unique items (true sansha, darkblood, etc.) 5.) have old station set to default with station walking as a option next to ship fittings, agents, repair and all the other stuff 6.) fix all the bugs, maybe pay people who write bug reports in aurum. 7.) say that your sorry for insulting your customers. 8.) if you want to sell plex look at somer blink somer has to be in top 10 reason people buy plex. 9.) listen to what your customers want, if they are happy they will give you money. 10.) be honest when you cornhole the customers. don't lie and say things like "it was a bug" cough**ghost training***cough
Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:15:00 - [1163] Just steering this threadnought back to the front page.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:15:00 - [1164] Originally by: DeAdspAwN People are buying this expensive garbage, look at contracts and look at the market. if people buy this stuff the genius that came up with the idea and the prices gets a pat on his back, and he gets to say "told ya the mooptards would go for it". CCP has yet again cornholed its customers. yeah CCP needs money to pay the guys to write more bad expansions, but...... they have done this in all wrong ways. here is how to fix it. 1.)reinburse the idiots that bought the expensive crap 2.)lower the price of the crap dramaticaly 3.) introduce way more crap (emo sunglasses, dresses for the crossdressers, pirate outfits, etc) its not that hard to texture and skin. people waited 18months for 8 items and a room. 4.) get players use to playing dress up by having clothing randomly drop. unique items (true sansha, darkblood, etc.) 5.) have old station set to default with station walking as a option next to ship fittings, agents, repair and all the other stuff 6.) fix all the bugs, maybe pay people who write bug reports in aurum. 7.) say that your sorry for insulting your customers. 8.) if you want to sell plex look at somer blink somer has to be in top 10 reason people buy plex. 9.) listen to what your customers want, if they are happy they will give you money. 10.) be honest when you cornhole the customers. don't lie and say things like "it was a bug" cough**ghost training***cough I agree with this. I really do. But instead of item drops, why not just make the clothing available via player manufacturers? I mean, look at Star Wars Galaxies. Players deployed their own factories so they could manufacture entire lines of clothing, weapons, droids, etc. I don't see why CCP can't just do that here.
Quistis Noir The Lotus Edge	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:21:00 - [1165] I just checked dodexie, and there are some clothing items for sale, but from what I can see, no one has bought any clothes yet. Or if they did, no item has sold more then one copy. Is it like that at the other trade hubs? There is a monocle for 1275000000 isk availble.
Hojj0	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:23:00 - [1166] http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/Irish_ScoDeagle/1226017268084-1.jpg
visableone	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:25:00 - [1167] http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2qu0vit&s=7 ^^
Algathas The Revenge of Auntie Freeze	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:26:00 - [1168]
Hojj0	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:28:00 - [1169]
Ezekiel Amann	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:28:00 - [1170] Somebody has been playing to friggen much Second Life if you think anyone will pay these prices. And the ones who do will just be looked at in the pub as the idiot in a slightly different color shirt.

Captain Alcatraz Invicta. Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:29:00 - [1171] Originally by: Vin Hellsing Originally by: DeAdspAwN People are buying this expensive garbage, look at contracts and look at the market. if people buy this stuff the genius that came up with the idea and the prices gets a pat on his back, and he gets to say "told ya the mooptards would go for it". CCP has yet again cornholed its customers. yeah CCP needs money to pay the guys to write more bad expansions, but...... they have done this in all wrong ways. here is how to fix it. 1.)reinburse the idiots that bought the expensive crap 2.)lower the price of the crap dramaticaly 3.) introduce way more crap (emo sunglasses, dresses for the crossdressers, pirate outfits, etc) its not that hard to texture and skin. people waited 18months for 8 items and a room. 4.) get players use to playing dress up by having clothing randomly drop. unique items (true sansha, darkblood, etc.) 5.) have old station set to default with station walking as a option next to ship fittings, agents, repair and all the other stuff 6.) fix all the bugs, maybe pay people who write bug reports in aurum. 7.) say that your sorry for insulting your customers. 8.) if you want to sell plex look at somer blink somer has to be in top 10 reason people buy plex. 9.) listen to what your customers want, if they are happy they will give you money. 10.) be honest when you cornhole the customers. don't lie and say things like "it was a bug" cough**ghost training***cough I agree with this. I really do. But instead of item drops, why not just make the clothing available via player manufacturers? I mean, look at Star Wars Galaxies. Players deployed their own factories so they could manufacture entire lines of clothing, weapons, droids, etc. I don't see why CCP can't just do that here. Cause CCP wants to sell the clothing through the NEX shop now. Player made clothing = less clothing bought from CCP for lol $$, so that'll never get introduced, at least not in a complete form Those who are saying "if you dont like it dont use it" are short sighted, look ^
Melchon Gallente In dubio pro joesy	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:52:00 - [1172] I wonder if the people that now say "but it is not that expensive, you can buy that stuff with isk" would hand me their firstborn for an old pair of my shoes. After all it doesn't cost them a thing (heck, I am even saving them some expenses). Originally by: Ishnadriel Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25 I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... Obviously CCP needs a lot of money fast. Just look at the trend in the last months (e.g. api costs for fan-devs etc.). Maybe tomorrow we finally get the announcement that each login now costs 25 cents (after all, you are causing load on the login server ).
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:04:00 - [1173] Edited by: Katrina Cortez on 23/06/2011 04:04:07 Go, go, 40 pages Edit: Victory is mine!
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:46:00 - [1174] HIS NAME WAS JOHN TURBEFIELD! -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st
Jonathan Cage	Posted - 2011.06.23 06:10:00 - [1175] Okay To everyone out there, on CCP's behalf I beseech you to see the reason for these high prices! Okay. Now that is done. Where the heck is the space WAL*MART! Sets new course to be first in line for the generic stuff.
Aisha Ravenwood	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:27:00 - [1176] Still no blue response.... their lack of comment on the issue is deafining...
Rex Liberium	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:29:00 - [1177] Originally by: Aisha Ravenwood Still no blue response.... their lack of comment on the issue is deafining... No it speaks volumes.....
Slatiska Wolfovna	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:30:00 - [1178] Edited by: Slatiska Wolfovna on 23/06/2011 07:32:55 Edited by: Slatiska Wolfovna on 23/06/2011 07:32:35 Edited by: Slatiska Wolfovna on 23/06/2011 07:30:42 Some CCP guy told someone before the expansion deployment that he should feel that the immersion is reinforced by Incarna, but at a time where a whole galaxy is speaking the same language, why is there 2 currencies, with one totally dedicated to buying useless clothes ? And with no direct exchange rate ? How is it immersing us in a realistic sci-fi universe ? :D If we look at present time, it's much simpler to go from Euros to Dollar than from ISK to Aurum, I hope that in the future people will have only one currency per geographical segment, and not per concept like in EVE :D
Tron Flux	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:33:00 - [1179] Two thoughts: 1. Maybe by microtransactions, ccp meant "micro" as in a very small number of transactions to begin with. 2. Maybe ccp wants all the people griping about spinning ships on the issues thread to stop spinning ships and go out and kill or be killed in an attempt to buy some bling they obviously want but can't afford.
Femerov Minmatar The Black Bha'lir Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:37:00 - [1180] CCP just slash a 0 off the prices in the aurum shop and you'll make a lot more $$, instead of relying on 1 person buyin things at 12k aurum you should rely on the 30 folks who will buy it at 1200 aurum. I aint no economist but 1x 12k is less then 30 x 1200 . just my 0.2 isk <a href="https://eve-search.com/externalLink.asp?l=http%3A%2F%2Frumandmonkey%2Ecom%2Fwidgets%2Ftoys%2Ftestgen%2F6199%2F"><img src="http://stat.rumandmonkey.com/tests/9/9/6199/25764.jpg" title="Industrialist with teeth" alt="Industrialist with teeth" border="0"

DeAdspAwN	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:45:00 - [1181] Originally by: CCP Guard Guys, I didn't mean to offend with my little wordplay there. Sorry if I did. A more serious reply to your concerns and questions regarding pricing of virtual goods is coming. The workday started not long ago over here and most of us were up late monitoring initial reactions and spinning our dudes in CQ. We are piecing together the different opinions and we'll do our best to address all of them. Thank you all for your patience. this was pinched from one of the smaller threads. we just have to wait and see what kind of DCU the PR folks can fit. the "I'm not playing this game any more" threads are growing larger and larger by the minute. have you guys heard that the guy behind hulkageddon got his account banned for posting a link to the leaked ccp PDF news letter about MTs? not sure if its true or not.
Spacing Cowboy Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:48:00 - [1182] With the total silence\afk cloaking of CCP guys on the forums I kind of have the idea that the guys themself are 'fighting' Ive met a lot at fanfest 2011, and somehow i really think this is not working or got released 'as intended' There current meetings would be youtube worthy atm Is another guess CCP. Protip... Activate damagecontrol II, and open up the comms
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:52:00 - [1183] Well, if they shaved a single zero off all the prices, I'd buy quite a bit, maybe spend 1.5b isk budget I prepared for it. But with these prices? CCP won't see a single isk/plex from me. I have seen greed, but seriously, a monocle for a character worth 3 months subscription? Give me a break. I really hoped to use the noble exchange... Use it a lot, but with the current prices - thank you very much ^^ Goodbye vanity store.
Xia Kairui Lone Star Exploration	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:00:00 - [1184] Originally by: Sealiah Well, if they shaved a single zero off all the prices, I'd buy quite a bit, maybe spend 1.5b isk budget I prepared for it. But with these prices? CCP won't see a single isk/plex from me. I have seen greed, but seriously, a monocle for a character worth 3 months subscription? Give me a break. I really hoped to use the noble exchange... Use it a lot, but with the current prices - thank you very much ^^ Goodbye vanity store. Exactly my sentiment. Well, except for the 1.5B I don't have at the moment...
Orecia Crytec Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:05:00 - [1185] If you devide the AUR prices by 100 I will consider it
Ardamalis Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:06:00 - [1186] Supporting this thread. I for one liked CQ and am hopeful for the rest of Incarna; however, cmon CCP... These NEX prices are LOLridiculusWTF. facepalms
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:14:00 - [1187] The madmen have lost the plot.
Sirion Fujiwara	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:17:00 - [1188] You can keep 400 kids malaria free for life for $80!
Azia Burgi Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:29:00 - [1189] First the ridiculous $99 for the API and now this... Where is the CCP reply? Azia Burgi http://aziaburgi.me.uk BP Profit Calculator EVE Cemetery
Firh	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:32:00 - [1190] I'll agree with that the items are ridiculously expensive and that it's obviously not worth that much real money, at least not for the majority of us. The thing is however, these are exclusive vanity items and there are people who can afford to pay for their accounts by buying plex ingame (in which case they're gaming for free anyway) AND still have isk to buy these things. In these instances no real money is spent at all, so what's the big deal? The poor selection of items and what they do is more of a let-down IMO.

Stahlregen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:35:00 - [1191] Edited by: Stahlregen on 23/06/2011 08:36:09 We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in our captains quarters, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our e-living rooms. Let me have my non-RMT isk and my officer fit nightmare and my new turret effects and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to cancel your sub. I don't want you to suicide gank- I don't want you to write to your CSM representative because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the microtransactions and the inflation and the botters and the pirates off the Jita 4-4 undock. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My subscription has VALUE!' I want all of you to stop admiring yourself in your e-mirror. I want you to stop staring at the looping eve trailers on your holoscreen. I want you to get up right now and go to the eve-online forums. Open it, make a new thread and type; 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!'
sedex	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:37:00 - [1192] Those price are logical, if insane. a)Vanity items should be rare and/or expensive. b)There are (sadly ?) players who will pay that much. Few, but CCP should milk them before targeting the other players with cheaper goods. c) If they start high, they can do 'sales' and 'special offers' for half or less later on. d) After the super-expensive right-eye eye-patch, they can offer the cheap left-eye one. Which will appear cheap even at 30$. The current prices make sense assuming they plan for the long haul. Although I am surprised they don't offer a cheap (5 or 10 aurum) item along the expensive ones, to jump start plex>aurum conversion. I don't expect to ever buy any vanity item for myself, especially as such prices (unless perhaps custom painting for ship later on ? Who know.) And I really hope the Aurum store will only be for vanity items, never power items. But since this store is not the primary money maker for CCP, just an add-on, they can afford to experiment with price. Sedex
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:37:00 - [1193] Originally by: Firh I'll agree with that the items are ridiculously expensive and that it's obviously not worth that much real money, at least not for the majority of us. The thing is however, these are exclusive vanity items and there are people who can afford to pay for their accounts by buying plex ingame (in which case they're gaming for free anyway) AND still have isk to buy these things. In these instances no real money is spent at all, so what's the big deal? The poor selection of items and what they do is more of a let-down IMO. What your are saying contradicts all the pre release propaganda that ccp released about how everyone could add a little bling to their characters. That is the let down, that ccp either believed we would buy their crap and think it was wonderful, or alternatively we are disappointed because ccp have no clue about what the player base wants or needs.
Lisee Lafisques	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:50:00 - [1194] Yeah, ridiculously high prices. It's just that Incarna does not really effect the real game, so most of the players will just ingore NEX. I mean that is how it was supposed to work. People on this forum didn't go to fanfest last year nor did they read the CSMs meeting minutes. It was clear for a year now, that vanity items will not be cheap and are targeted to those, who spend a lot of money. The CSM stressed that pretty clear - if CCP wants to utilize PLEX in another way, it has to be venity items. Otherwise whole alliances would leave the game. The prices set so high have a very positive effect. If the prices were low NEX would become a very powerful PLEX sink in the economy. That woul make PLEX prices to skyrocket. With prices seemingly unreasonably high it's not such a sink and thus prevents PLEX prices from rising so much. Which is good for the majority of current players. People played EVE without avatars and vanity items and generally played it for other reasons. The game was and is awesome without Incarna. So whoever is whining on the high pricing on vanity items is either doing so just beacause he likes to discuss a controversial subject or because he is all new to the EVE experience. And that is the only and very severe negative consequence of the pricing level in NEX. It's a barrier, a freakin' wall for new players. They create the character and they want to suit up, and BAM!, it asks them for a whole lot of cash. That can't be any good for business. I think that the monocle is a really cool piece of equip and the prcie on it is ok, but there should be other stuff that is way cheaper (so one could buy three items for a PLEX) for everyone that wants to experiment his looks under the illusion that he's not spending his whole that much money. Because what is really annoying about this pricing level is that the player has no choice - you either walk around in the same jumpsuit everyone else does or you have to get hold of 3 months of gameplay and use that to buy three vanity items. I know I'll choose ingoring the NEX.
Spacing Cowboy Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:55:00 - [1195] A real question for the eve history buffs. Was there ever a ****storm/riot this size before?
Female Face	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:57:00 - [1196] I think the funniest side of this (which may have been discussed above, i didnt read all posts) Is that anyone who shows up wearing one of these stupid items is going to be MASSIVELY ridiculed for doing so. Maybe not allowed to join a corp, getting kicked from a corp, getting ripped a new one in local when someone spots them etc etc etc. How is that going to get more people buying items? This is beyond a joke, its the best damn joke ive ever heard/seen in my life!!!!!!
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:58:00 - [1197] Originally by: Spacing Cowboy A real question for the eve history buffs. Was there ever a ***storm/riot this size before? The speed nerf. But that was more a case of it being a storm because the wind was blowing in both directions at once, some being vociferously for the change, others being equally vociferously against it. I can't remember seeing anything quite so one-sided before in my time here (which, admittedly, is just half the life of the game). ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP*
Nehaj Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:08:00 - [1198] Originally by: Spacing Cowboy A real question for the eve history buffs. Was there ever a ****storm/riot this size before? Well, not Eve history, but history nonetheless: Venetian Bankers and the Dark Ages ``Venice was the greatest commercial success of the Middle Ages -- a city without industry, except for naval-military construction, which came to bestride the Mediterranean world and to control an empire through mere trading enterprise. In the fourteenth century she was in the ascendant to her greatest periods of success and power.'' ``Venice's rulers were less concerned with profits from industries than with profits from trade between regions that valued gold and silver differently.''
Spacing Cowboy Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:13:00 - [1199] Thanks, hopefully a wakeup call for ccp, Im a forum*****, but i see terratons of people going nuts , Quite some never seen before on eve-o ... Ccp... Wake-up ? ...
Sirta en Gravonere	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:16:00 - [1200] Srsly CCP, WTF?! I wont pay more than 3 times of ISK for a Shirt than I would pay for a spaceship! I just read a leaked internal Bulletin where it states: "Second, we must sell our units of virtual currency the AUR at appropriate rates. No pair of pants, no matter how cool, should cost the same as a new Maserati; similarly, it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay the same price that I would for a faction battleship." But you guys are doing it right now.

Chrislor	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:23:00 - [1201] This is a freaking scandal to EvE community.... Next step is you can buy your AU over your phone bill etc. like in free MMOS such as METIN. Guys think about it you are playing a subscribing game Usally the whole content is free and accesable by everyone BECAUSE you are paying your montly bill for it. nice step in the wrong direction
AnzacPaul the united	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:29:00 - [1202] Originally by: Sirta en Gravonere Srsly CCP, WTF?! I wont pay more than 3 times of ISK for a Shirt than I would pay for a spaceship! I just read a leaked internal Bulletin where it states: "Second, we must sell our units of virtual currency the AUR at appropriate rates. No pair of pants, no matter how cool, should cost the same as a new Maserati; similarly, it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay the same price that I would for a faction battleship." But you guys are doing it right now. Didn't you hear why the monocle was so expensive??? Quote: CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. But you can also buy them on the... actual quote from CCP Zinfandel in the Help channel
Laura Kingsley Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:33:00 - [1203] Originally by: AnzacPaul Originally by: Sirta en Gravonere Srsly CCP, WTF?! I wont pay more than 3 times of ISK for a Shirt than I would pay for a spaceship! I just read a leaked internal Bulletin where it states: "Second, we must sell our units of virtual currency the AUR at appropriate rates. No pair of pants, no matter how cool, should cost the same as a new Maserati; similarly, it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay the same price that I would for a faction battleship." But you guys are doing it right now. Didn't you hear why the monocle was so expensive??? Quote: CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face. But you can also buy them on the... actual quote from CCP Zinfandel in the Help channel Conforming that IRL an eye implant costs more than an Aircraft carrier.
Livini Naship	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:35:00 - [1204] Originally by: Spacing Cowboy With the total silence\afk cloaking of CCP guys on the forums I kind of have the idea that the guys themself are 'fighting' Ive met a lot at fanfest 2011, and somehow i really think this is not working or got released 'as intended' There current meetings would be youtube worthy atm Is another guess +1
Crellion Parental Control HELL4S	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:36:00 - [1205] I think the real conspiracy is this: CCP meeting: xxx Dev: How on earth will we convince them to pay real money for meaningless pixels in a game so competitve and goal oriented as EvE? xxx MarketingguyX: Simple!!!! Step1 We will set the prices at 10x the right price on release (that's what they do themselves with new ships etc anyway). Step 2 we will slash it to 1/10 after a few days so they feel priviledged for paying 3 euros for a loltastic v-neck, rather than the 'real price' of 30 euros. Step 3 we will add meaningfull items (i.e. Domi with 7xdrones instead of 5) and then we will price them at 100 dollars each and see how it goes.... This is why you hired me away from my job as lead designer of [generic web based or facebook game for idiots] to put you straight you little kittens.. Basically as I explained to the CEO this is a game so subscribers are used to getting 'd, har har harrr... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:42:00 - [1206] Originally by: Daelorn Originally by: Ishnadriel I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 45$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... Yeah my first though was they it was pretty damn expensive too, but people will buy them Don't see cloth items as a good seller yet as there's no real place to use them atm. People buy vanity items because: 1) They want to show everyone that they have more real life money than sense. 2) The item may have a use ingame no matter how small that advantage might be. 3) Anything else I think of keeps ending up at 1 again.
Azia Burgi Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:51:00 - [1207] Didn't T'Amber quit over the CSM and the game in protest over CCPs plans for micro-transactions? I guess we all know why now. Azia Burgi http://aziaburgi.me.uk BP Profit Calculator EVE Cemetery
jk scowling Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:52:00 - [1208] CCP: How about releasing some content for Incarna. It seems like the whole thing has been rushed out as a vehicle for ridiculously overpriced M(acro)T and what we have ended up with is a resource hungry cupboard with a sofa. If I was that bothered about sofa's with games I'd by a bloody console.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 10:35:00 - [1209] Turns out they can ignore the elephant in the room for a very long time. Hopefully he uses that time to relieve himself in front of them. -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st
Sprawdzacz	Posted - 2011.06.23 10:44:00 - [1210] If you wonder how it look... EVE Online - Looking Glass Ocular Implant

Laine Todako	Posted - 2011.06.23 10:47:00 - [1211] I play a couple of games with micro-transactions and over the years I have probably spent a good sum of money. That said, no way in hell am I spending any money on in game content for EVE. Prices are stupid. Just because I am the kind of person who pays for a game subscription each month does not mean I will put up with being charged an average of $15-$20 per in-game item. I would consider $4-$7 for individual items, and at that price I would actively consider buying 1 or 2 items a month. Further to this, if there were a few awesome items at $10-$15 I would consider it, although it would have to be something really special. Why? Because heck I can get a whole months worth of playing eve for that money. A pair of pixel pants can not compare to this in terms of real $$$'s. Perhaps there could even be 1 or 2 items over $20 or $30 - for those who wish to do it. However there should definitely be some content available for the average person, and there is not. Also, I am dissapoint in the lack of content available to buy, but again, with prices as they are I don't care because I am not going to buy anything anyway. There is no way in hell I am paying $60 for a mechanical eye. I read the description, it said something about how it was a common item throughout the galaxy. Seriously? Average citizens shelling out billions of isk... lolz, CCP you crazy. CCP I am not looking for a bargain, I am an average player and I am looking to buy something without feeling like I just got financially ****d. What a waste of effort an in game shop was, CCP you should be ashamed of yourselves for being so far away from knowing what most of your players would want.
Bruce Foresight	Posted - 2011.06.23 10:53:00 - [1212] We play internet spaceships, not Barbie, stop whining about clothing options. There are plenty of selections to customise your avatar. I would think that the prices are high to prevent everyone just going out and buying the same kit. Otherwise it would be Monocle Wearing Online. The high prices instill exclusivity. Only the richest will sport these new clothes. The rest of us will have to aspire to them... I dont see anyone whining that Titans are too expensive.. oh wait, everyones got one already... Exclusivity, word of Incarna.
Laine Todako	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:01:00 - [1213] Originally by: Bruce Foresight I would think that the prices are high to prevent everyone just going out and buying the same kit. Perhaps, but the fact remains that an in game shop is accessible to all and should therefore cater to different people. Not everyone shares the same opinion, the shop should reflect this. Currently it does not. Exclusivity works best when it comes in terms of having select expensive items available, not from making the entire system exclusive.
Lockheed19 Gallente Percussive Diplomacy The Phoenix. Consortium	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:04:00 - [1214] Originally by: Spacing Cowboy A real question for the eve history buffs. Was there ever a ****storm/riot this size before? In a nutshell, no. Sure there were major forum upsets at specific play-related alterations, but never anything quite like this. Been playing since June 04' and personally cannot recall such widespread agreement between so many disparate players - of all game-play styles.
arlenai	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:07:00 - [1215] I agree with the majority and the whole thing is a ****ing joke. Plain and Simple. But if people really wanna see CCP do something to change it. The only solution would be to cancel all subbed accounts. Once they see there sub base drop off on that kinda scale they'll soon realise they dont have long to act on it :P I've already cancelled my subs. Have you?
Xia Kairui Lone Star Exploration	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:09:00 - [1216] Originally by: Bruce Foresight We play internet spaceships, not Barbie, stop whining about clothing options. For all I care people can throw money at monocles as much as they want if it does not affect me. However, it does: 1) PLEX prices rise 2) Monocles do not grow on trees. A team of programmers and testers and QA folks need to design and build them. Those folks are not available to fix bugs in the game. Even if they are from different departments (for instance a 3D model designer will not really be able to fix moving bookmarks, a bug I reported a while ago) at least some programming effort is taken up that could be used to improve the game for everyone, not just a few folks with too much money.
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:30:00 - [1217] This patch brought just all ccp promised, i do not know what you were expecting but i got all i wanted. I am looking to future and i see lot of good things that may keep EVE running years more. CCP may do some things in the future that i do not like, but i am not judging them before they do. I am sure that CCP is keeping micro transactions on areas that do not directly affect game balance anyway. What comes to plex prices and vanity items, i think it is better that those are so expencive that everyone are not able to buy those. How much would plex price raise if everyone could afford to buy monocle? High prices are not best business for CCP, i bet they could have done lot of more money by selling vanity items for everyone. World changes and I want to change with it, do You?
Angelica Hellsing Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:38:00 - [1218] The nex prices are a joke but just let the dumb asses buy them at those prices its not so much look at me iam rich its more like see me iam dumb ccp robbed me. -Angelica Hellsing -----Yea, your looking at my sig.---- [gold]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24
Phersephone Caldari Stormlord Battleforce Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:39:00 - [1219] This patch brought is CQ and new turrets, and they arent finished. Missile turrets anyone? other station enviroments? nobel exchange goods(LOL) also the icons are really bad for turrets now, difficult to distinguish appart and they look really blurred on targets. what else has this expantion given us? appart from really expensive t-shirts? and half finished/implimented CQ/turrets
Matas Kyler Minmatar Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:44:00 - [1220] I think the issue is to exchange plex for aurum. If vanity items where something to by from your account management page for real money, with no way to sell them in the market, it would be possible to sell them at a resonable price. To think that I can build my dream ship with a pair of pants... When you look at it like that it's actually funny.

Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:52:00 - [1221] It's mostly just insulting. "These idiots will buy anything", it says, "and we're going to profit from it." That it isn't a particularly smart move from a business standpoint is of secondary concern. I ain't even mad, CCP, I'm just disappointed.
Spacing Cowboy Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:52:00 - [1222] ... Not to mention the borked ship bonus'es and messed up Pirat implant atributes... Got to give it to ccp, love the turrets! Dont mind CQ if it wasnt such a GPU murderer Dont mind the pimp mah toon shop... Without loony pricing.. I do mind the dead silence from ccp
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:39:00 - [1223] bump no page 3 for this thread. --- Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu
Chidori kun Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:42:00 - [1224] Edited by: Chidori kun on 23/06/2011 12:43:28 Hi all, Well the thread is getting long so I will again tell you what I think. Of and on I been playing EvE since 2005, I have fought up north and south. So yeah I can say I am a PVP'r. Peeps talking barbie space dolls and other stuff fine if that is your opinion that fine with me I respect that. But when in 2006 rumors came about walking in stations I was like yes more immersion that's great. But it never came and it turned in a echo in the background noise. Not long ago I returned to EvE been away on SL, WoW and so on. Anyways I saw the new CC en was like yes finally that looks like it more not that fake cartoon like character picture we had before. When I was catching up on my EvE reading I learned about Incarna and was even more happy, fluffy well ya know ;) I knew it would the first step to walking in stations but hey not everything can be done at once. Even looked at SiSi helped with the last masstest cause I was there anyways to look how the CQ would look with my own eyes. Saw the shop played barbie doll in front of the mirror and basically liked what I saw. Although not all the clothing was well... top notch, I have designed and seen better in SL but it was a good enough start. So the 21th of june came stayed up late waiting to go online creditcard ready to buy a plex to convert it to AURUM (yeah I am dutch) After patching my client plop online headed to the shop and.... well I had to rub my eyes a few time because of the prices and the lack of goods compared to SiSi. Basically I put back my CC in my RL wallet half laughing half crying only thinking they must have gone mad in Iceland sniffing to much volcanic ashes. Or some idiot made a misstake... So when't on with my stuff in EvE after that got on the forums knowing I must not be the only one thinking they gone mad. If I gonna buy that stuff is not the point here it's the insane prices that got me here on the forums. Cause I am concerned about the future when we finally can get out of our CQ's meet up or walk up behind a person pointing a blaster to his/her head Saying "Hey remember me" There is no future for immersion with clothing and trinkets with those prices.. If it stays like that then we can better clone Jango Fett again and play clone wars in EvE... well that is really boring. Chid hops back in the her hulk
Bei XiaoJie	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:44:00 - [1225] Originally by: Phersephone This patch brought is CQ and new turrets, and they arent finished. Missile turrets anyone? other station enviroments? nobel exchange goods(LOL) also the icons are really bad for turrets now, difficult to distinguish appart and they look really blurred on targets. what else has this expantion given us? appart from really expensive t-shirts? and half finished/implimented CQ/turrets Have to agree on the turrets. Cool, but who really zooms in that close on any to actually see them? The icons are horrendous. Please Give me back my golden orb strip miners and Magnet Tractor beam icons. The new icons look cool, but they are very hard to distinguish on a dark background which makes them poor. The CQ looks cool, interface is nice and runs well on my machine, so .. no probs there. Loading CQ is a pain and locks up the system for a few seconds. Docked my mining toon whilst my mission runner was in mid combat ... big mistake. System locked up, missed several valuable seconds locking targets. If it were PVP I'd be popped and podded. I don't mind the delay loading CQ but I hate that it locks out my whole machine .. no way. Keep docking slow and in teh background rather than fast and locking up other processes. New functionality ... is there any? I have not needed anything from CQ that I could not do before. .. check that ... Agent finder is cool. The Bling shop.. ha ha haaa ha ha. How stupid does CCP think we are? I guess it was an attempt to make a HUGE isk sink without actually needing to add anything to the game. So, I give CCP a B+ for coolness (lost an A over the icons), but an F for functionality. (Even Agent Finder can rescue this). Over all .. D ... Fail. (At my school, C was a pass, D Fail, F was forced summer school) Really CCP, this is a very poor update that has added nothing to the game. It seems like an update just for the sake of having an update. A handful of new missions, some bug fixes out, some bugs in ... no new space, no new ships, no new weapons...Turn off Station loading and you would not notice any change. Although .... I do like the part of only 1 jump bride per system ... that is going to make Null sec very interesting over the next few weeks as the Jump Bridge networks are redesigned.
Vixxen Dawn	Posted - 2011.06.23 13:40:00 - [1226] Any news on what CCP thinks of these gripes? D.
Yoruichi Chan	Posted - 2011.06.23 13:49:00 - [1227] Originally by: Vixxen Dawn Any news on what CCP thinks of these gripes? D. didn't you hear the shirping of crickets ??
Glyken Touchon Gallente Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.06.23 13:57:00 - [1228] I've no problem with the upper price limit other than it seems to price themselves out of the market they want to break into; it's just that the lower price limit seems a bit extreme. If there was also a variety of items at different price brackets (starting at 100aur maybe), then I don't think this storm would be anywhere near the size it has grown into. As it is, they are quickly becoming a laughing stock, and not just among current players. make them cheaper, make them destructible. I suspect that the issue with destroying them when podded was with the coding & portraits. pod character X who has monocle med clone of X awakes (old portrait & customization no longer valid) X forced to re-customize before being allowed back out to continue fighting. ______ When the forums asked CCP for transparency, we didn't mean the HUD...
Opena Ka'an	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:03:00 - [1229] (I've only read the first few posts, so my apologies if the topic has changed somewhat over the last 40 pages) I just wanted to add to this, briefly; /Signed These AURUM prices are totally insane. Not that I would bother to buy any of the crap on offer anyway, unless they were in the 0-100isk range. It's, quite simply, INSANITY!! CCP - have you lst your minds?????
Numance	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:07:00 - [1230] i suggest that from now on instead of using "billion" as a number for the isk that we use "monocle" then we should have now : "i sell you my thanotos for 0.60 monocle, it's a bargain"

WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:19:00 - [1231] Originally by: Numance i suggest that from now on instead of using "billion" as a number for the isk that we use "monocle" then we should have now : "i sell you my thanotos for 0.60 monocle, it's a bargain" Haha, reminds me of Diablo 2 and stone of jordan's. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
Shereza	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:41:00 - [1232] I just love how the cost of the monocle is justified as it being a super-expensive and super-sophisticated implant, yet it's only connected to the eye and maybe a little of the brain. On the other hand the other 10 implants inserted directly into my brain that are significantly more advanced, and more useful, cost maybe 500m tops.
Flesh Slurper Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:44:00 - [1233] Originally by: Shereza I just love how the cost of the monocle is justified as it being a super-expensive and super-sophisticated implant, yet it's only connected to the eye and maybe a little of the brain. On the other hand the other 10 implants inserted directly into my brain that are significantly more advanced, and more useful, cost maybe 500m tops. Not only that, the monocle's description even says that it's a common item.
Soraya Esil	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:47:00 - [1234] I think the prices are just fine, ok they are high but, from what i understood, vanity store is a plex sink. Meaning, where the prices of plexes raised dramatically because every punk and his mother started to buy plexes low and put em back on market high, or keep them and hoping they could put them on market even higher after this was released, this will bring plex prices back down. 85% of all whiners about vanity prices bought heaps of plexes hoping to cash in bigtime, and found out they were wrong and are now losing money. The other 15% is either trolling or doesnt understand the logic that once more stuff is in the vanity store and the plexes have gone to normal price, things will be more affordable.
Vile'er Ungrateful Vile	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:47:00 - [1235] so common it costs the same as a small battleship fleet of pod pilots
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:47:00 - [1236] >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:48:00 - [1237] Edited by: Wacktopia on 23/06/2011 14:48:46 The.... the REALLY crazy thning about this monocle milarky is... $70 Monocle x Players purchased? (2?) = $140 - (all the lost subs) = Loss $2.50 Monocle x Players purcahsed?... (1000?) = $2500 - (nobody cares about $2.50) = Win You see?
Hiram Alexander Caldari The Night Crew	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:56:00 - [1238] Originally by: Wacktopia Edited by: Wacktopia on 23/06/2011 14:48:46 The.... the REALLY crazy thning about this monocle milarky is... $70 Monocle x Players purchased? (2?) = $140 - (all the lost subs) = Loss $2.50 Monocle x Players purcahsed?... (1000?) = $2500 - (nobody cares about $2.50) = Win You see? I agree. It reminds me in a way, of this BBC article on ebooks I read yesterday... tl;dr - some writers are now millionaires from charging 99c per book. If I could pay $5 for the Caldari Navy's entire 'Spring Collection', I'd actually consider it - and I'm not just talking 'one shirt, one jacket, etc...'.
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:50:00 - [1239] You know, mulling it over, and looking at the Greed is Good document, and the poor performance of Incarna, and the pitiful number of items in the NEX store, and the risible prices, it's almost as if the whole thing has been designed to fail. Reading between the lines, you can hear the muffled voice of a CCP insider whose concerns over microtransactions were overridden. The monocle is a warning. His warning. I've shown you the future, it screams, now fly, you fools! I hear you, O brave hero. And a hero you are. Incompetent marketing honcho maybe, but heroes need not be aware of their heroism. CCP could've eased the community into the MT scam like others did; added new items, at higher prices, gradually. That probably would've been more palatable to the masses. But that's not what they did, revealing their hand a little too soon. As far as I'm concerned, the only way CCP can restore their bona fides is by forswearing this nonsense for all time. And since I'm fairly sure they won't do that, I'll stop wasting time on them now. (You can't have my stuff.)
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:07:00 - [1240] Originally by: Hiram Alexander If I could pay $5 for the Caldari Navy's entire 'Spring Collection', I'd actually consider it - and I'm not just talking 'one shirt, one jacket, etc...'. Maybe. I did actually buy a PLEX for this one, but more for to get whatever they come out with this year. As in, one PLEX should've been enough to buy several complete sets or whatever. But we need not get into the details on how a microtransaction strategy works, CCP obviously doens't get it. Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu

Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:14:00 - [1241] Originally by: Wacktopia Edited by: Wacktopia on 23/06/2011 14:48:46 The.... the REALLY crazy thning about this monocle milarky is... $70 Monocle x Players purchased? (2?) = $140 - (all the lost subs) = Loss $2.50 Monocle x Players purcahsed?... (1000?) = $2500 - (nobody cares about $2.50) = Win You see? So you will quit EVE because you did not get a monocle for free?
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:17:00 - [1242] What i don't understand is: CQ/Incarna was meant for immersion. We can buy huge ships, nifty weapons, modules, rigs etc. without any problem. That stuff surely is more worth than a simple shirt or some pants or shoes. Yet in EvE we are all of a suddon too poor to buy some simple clothing. As soon i saw the prices in the NEX shop the immersion was destroyed for me since i can't personalize my toon given those monster prices. As much i liked Incarna, sooner or later even i will disable it.
Lorren Canada	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:24:00 - [1243] Despite the fact that this shows just how **ing ****ed some people at CCP are, ultimately it doesn't effect most of us. (yet) I was never planning to buy any "vanity" items cause I play this game to shoot stuff, not pimp out my avatar.
T0KER	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:28:00 - [1244] AMAZING HOW GREEDY YOU CAN BE CCP WHEN WE ALL PAY FOR YOU TO DEVELOP WOD AND A PS3 SHOOTER WHEN WE PLAY A SPACESHIP GAME
Divad Ginleek Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:39:00 - [1245] CCP misses the point that a "micro transaction" is supposed to be "micro"... as in a couple bucks... the decision should be: "do i want this monocle, or a can of soda at the vending machine?" not: "do i want this monocle, or dinner for 2 at a moderately priced restaurant?" the most ridiculous thing to me about all this, is that they released this garbage now, and lord knows when we will actually get the rest of the station environment to show off our fancy expensive crap to other players. unless your sad enough to take screen caps and post them on the forum to prove how rich you are. so all this overpriced junk is also 100% absolutely useless junk. Epic fail CCP, and to think i just talked 3 of my friends into subscribing when i reactivated. i will surely not talk them in to staying. ::insert witty signature here::
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:44:00 - [1246] Do something CCP. Izo Azlion. ---
Kal Zek	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:02:00 - [1247] I've erased so many long replies, none will matter. CCP obviously just doesnt care about a loyal fan base anymore. $95.00 for a fan made program/aplication. $70.00 for fake things, when you get the real thing for $5.00. I want you to know CCP. First chance I get to jump your ship, I'm gone. What that means is yes, I'm a gaming junkie. Hell I own 5 EVE accounts. I'm not gonna rage quit, cause I want to play a game. But first game that comes along that I find I can enjoy, I'm gone. Doesnt even have to be space ships. It may take a month, it may be 2 years, I dont know. But you know longer I have my support, I'm just here till........ dammit, long ass reply, AGAIN....... guess i'll sum it up.. CCP Asshats of the Century (and its barely 10% old)
Wanda Wong	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:05:00 - [1248] It's actualy funny to see people talking bout micro transactions when they price is actualy pretty astronomical
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:07:00 - [1249] Originally by: CCP Guard "It's all in the eye of the beholder." You can lock the other thread...but this will be seen.
Danalee Minmatar Allmost Clueless	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:09:00 - [1250] And how many times threads are closed with the 'Please keep the discussion in this thread.' message... If only CCP would be so fast in responding to our grievances here! At first I didn't really care, now that I got some time to think about it... I'm getting angry Not with the crazy macro transactions perse but more with the lousy communication or general lack of communication. Just now that I was getting back to EVE. Money well spent? I think not!

stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:10:00 - [1251] Originally by: Divad Ginleek CCP misses the point that a "micro transaction" is supposed to be "micro"... as in a couple bucks... Yes, but only if you're expected to use real money to buy the item. This point was brought up in MD. It seems like CCP wants people with billions of idle ISK sitting in their wallet to spend their idle/worthless/uninvested isk on PLEX to buy the aurum. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:12:00 - [1252] Originally by: Futile Rhetoric The monocle is a warning. His warning. I've shown you the future, it screams, now fly, you fools! I hear you, O brave hero. And a hero you are. Incompetent marketing honcho maybe, but heroes need not be aware of their heroism. His name was John Turbefield! -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:12:00 - [1253] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: CCP Guard "It's all in the eye of the beholder." You can lock the other thread...but this will be seen. To be somewhat fair, he said sorry a few pages later. That was a nice move of him, i like him now.
Mary Astell	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:12:00 - [1254] Its an old ploy, they start with an unbelievably high price and then drop it to a simply ridiculous price later on. Because the ridiculous price is lower than the unbelievable price many are like 'oh that's a lot better'.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:13:00 - [1255] CCP should be ashamed.
coolzero Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:15:00 - [1256] ccp...greed isnt good Greed isnt good
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:18:00 - [1257] Originally by: Velani Askiras Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: CCP Guard "It's all in the eye of the beholder." You can lock the other thread...but this will be seen. To be somewhat fair, he said sorry a few pages later. That was a nice move of him, i like him now. Yeah he's sorry because of how many people he p*ssed off. Otherwise he wouldn't be.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:22:00 - [1258] Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 23/06/2011 17:23:40 Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 23/06/2011 17:22:44 Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Divad Ginleek CCP misses the point that a "micro transaction" is supposed to be "micro"... as in a couple bucks... Yes, but only if you're expected to use real money to buy the item. This point was brought up in MD. It seems like CCP wants people with billions of idle ISK sitting in their wallet to spend their idle/worthless/uninvested isk on PLEX to buy the aurum. And in the process failed to account for the hundreds (thousands?) of players who regularly have under 400 million isk in their wallets and do not play as hardcore as the really rich players. Hell, even Istvaan Shogaatsu, my CEO, has about a trillion ISK at last count. And knowing him, he's not going to spend that money on these clothes at the current conversion rate. He's sensible that way. If he really wanted to flaunt his wealth, he'd be slathering that crap all over the place in EVE so thick, that even Jita's denziens would suffocate to death. So yeah, that's saying something. The reality is that even if the players are that rich, few are going to bite. Why? It's because they didn't get that money by being senseless. Apart from the lowsec jackasses, of course. Many of the rich people got rich by being smart with their ISK. That means they know how to convert currencies. Therefore, before they would jump into the idea of buying plex for the fancy AUR-priced items, they would do the math. And the math says the pricing is obscenely stupid, and in the end, unattractive. As such, many of those with billions of ISK will elect to withhold their expenditures on the Noble Exchange, completely negating CCP's strategy of deflating the PLEX market. Istvaan isn't going to give up even 1/16th of his wealth just to wear a monocle. P.S. Now that I've posted this here, and if word of this post gets back to Istvaan, odds are he's going to prove me wrong just for the hilarity of it. :P
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:23:00 - [1259] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 23/06/2011 17:19:26 Originally by: Velani Askiras Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: CCP Guard "It's all in the eye of the beholder." You can lock the other thread...but this will be seen. To be somewhat fair, he said sorry a few pages later. That was a nice move of him, i like him now. Yeah he's sorry because of how many people he p*ssed off. Yeah, but still... it takes some balls to actually stand up and say sorry. Better later than never.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:25:00 - [1260] Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 23/06/2011 17:26:22 Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 23/06/2011 17:25:57 Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 23/06/2011 17:25:37 Originally by: Velani Askiras Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 23/06/2011 17:19:26 Originally by: Velani Askiras Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: CCP Guard "It's all in the eye of the beholder." You can lock the other thread...but this will be seen. To be somewhat fair, he said sorry a few pages later. That was a nice move of him, i like him now. Yeah he's sorry because of how many people he p*ssed off. Yeah, but still... it takes some balls to actually stand up and say sorry. Better later than never. It takes brass balls so large and dense that it would tilt the earth, just to stand up and say "I'm sorry" within 24 hours of a colossal screwup. It takes literally next to nothing to say "I'm sorry" after the brunt of the storm has eased off (48 hours later), because everybody'll have burned off their rage, red-faced and out of breath (and about to say "screw it, I'm going to bed!").

Pham Lai	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:29:00 - [1261] CCP have been saying that they try to make the game looks and plays better to attract new players....and now, they turn around and slap the new guys' faces with a $20 to $60 vanity items and say the items are meant for the wealthier playe only? What way to contradict themselves. Perfect world entertaiment sells fashion items $15 for the whole set head, arm, body and leg compared to ccp $20 body shirt, $60 head gear...the people at ccp that came up with his price and thought it was reasonable need to be fired, and the lead person that approved the price need to be fired or step-down. And lastly to ccp soundwave...did those LoL items cost $60 per when you bought them? I think not. I feel ashamed now having introduced eve to my friends.
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:30:00 - [1262] Originally by: Vin Hellsing It takes brass balls so large and dense that it would tilt the earth, just to stand up and say "I'm sorry" within 24 hours of a colossal screwup. It takes literally next to nothing to say "I'm sorry" after the brunt of the storm has eased off (48 hours later), because everybody'll have burned off their rage, red-faced and out of breath (and about to say "screw it, I'm going to bed!"). You sure are unhappy. Well i hope you sleep well atleast...
Io Koval Gallente T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:31:00 - [1263] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=8#239 Originally by: CCP Spitfire Please keep the discussion in this thread. Did you tell that to CCP Guard? I think you just want to divert attention away from the only real response we have gotten so far: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=1#11 Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder.
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:36:00 - [1264] Originally by: Io Koval http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=8#239 Originally by: CCP Spitfire Please keep the discussion in this thread. Did you tell that to CCP Guard? I think you just want to divert attention away from the only real response we have gotten so far: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=1#11 Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder. You surely missed some stuff there (the 2nd real response): http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=3#90 Originally by: CCP Guard Guys, I didn't mean to offend with my little wordplay there. Sorry if I did. A more serious reply to your concerns and questions regarding pricing of virtual goods is coming. The workday started not long ago over here and most of us were up late monitoring initial reactions and spinning our dudes in CQ. We are piecing together the different opinions and we'll do our best to address all of them. Thank you all for your patience.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:37:00 - [1265] Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 23/06/2011 17:37:33 Originally by: Io Koval http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=8#239 Originally by: CCP Spitfire Please keep the discussion in this thread. Did you tell that to CCP Guard? I think you just want to divert attention away from the only real response we have gotten so far: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=1#11 Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder. Seriously. We need people who have a grounded view in reality to get hired by CCP and be willing to BLUDGEON the lead devs upside the head with a chair when it is called for. Without getting fired. I volunteer. :U
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:40:00 - [1266] Edited by: stoicfaux on 23/06/2011 17:42:39 Originally by: Vin Hellsing And in the process failed to account for the hundreds (thousands?) of players who regularly have under 400 million isk in their wallets and do not play as hardcore as the really rich players. Might as well try to milk the whales first. Quote: Therefore, before they would jump into the idea of buying plex for the fancy AUR-priced items, they would do the math. And the math says the pricing is obscenely stupid, and in the end, unattractive. Is it unattractive due to the math, or unattractive because Barbie accessories don't appeal to spaceship pilots? Meaning, billion isk monocles versus billion isk custom ship paint jobs. Quote: As such, many of those with billions of ISK will elect to withhold their expenditures on the Noble Exchange, completely negating CCP's strategy of deflating the PLEX market. However, if the monocle was changed to be Limited Edition Monocle 1.0, Symbol of the Incarna MicroTransaction Firestorm, and would only be available for a limited time and never re-issued, would people buy it? I hate to say it, but CCP could keep the NEX prices ridiculously high for awhile if the NEX store were to offer "cool" items that actually appealed to Eve players. (But damned if know what would be cool enough for a Space Barbie that no one else can see.) ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Io Koval Gallente T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:42:00 - [1267] Originally by: Velani Askiras You surely missed some stuff there (the 2nd real response): http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=3#90 Originally by: CCP Guard Guys, I didn't mean to offend with my little wordplay there. Sorry if I did. A more serious reply to your concerns and questions regarding pricing of virtual goods is coming. The workday started not long ago over here and most of us were up late monitoring initial reactions and spinning our dudes in CQ. We are piecing together the different opinions and we'll do our best to address all of them. Thank you all for your patience. In my job, if an unhappy customer comes forth and I make a joke about his situation, and then come back later and tell him or her that the official company response is "Sorry, wait for it...", I'm pretty sure the damage is done regardless. And the latter certainly does not make up for the former.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:47:00 - [1268] Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 23/06/2011 17:47:36 Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Vin Hellsing Quote: Therefore, before they would jump into the idea of buying plex for the fancy AUR-priced items, they would do the math. And the math says the pricing is obscenely stupid, and in the end, unattractive. Is it unattractive due to the math, or unattractive because Barbie accessories don't appeal to spaceship pilots. Meaning, billion isk monocles versus billion isk custom ship paint jobs. The argument says it's unattractive due to the math. This is a spreadsheet game after all. There's a saying about money and being smart with it: It's called "dollars and sense". A smart investor knows not to jump into a product offering when it's at its most expensive. And $15 for a single stupid jacket is obscene. Paint jobs shouldn't cost a billion isk, though. That's a ridiculous price. How much does it cost to get your Ford Mustang painted, versus its actual value? I'm sure you can figure out what I'm getting at here. Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Vin Hellsing And in the process failed to account for the hundreds (thousands?) of players who regularly have under 400 million isk in their wallets and do not play as hardcore as the really rich players. Might as well try to milk the whales first. Sure, the big, dumb whales that can't tell the difference between a squid and a nuclear-armed submarine.
Okan Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:47:00 - [1269] Originally by: Io Koval Originally by: Velani Askiras You surely missed some stuff there (the 2nd real response): http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=3#90 Originally by: CCP Guard Guys, I didn't mean to offend with my little wordplay there. Sorry if I did. A more serious reply to your concerns and questions regarding pricing of virtual goods is coming. The workday started not long ago over here and most of us were up late monitoring initial reactions and spinning our dudes in CQ. We are piecing together the different opinions and we'll do our best to address all of them. Thank you all for your patience. In my job, if an unhappy customer comes forth and I make a joke about his situation, and then come back later and tell him or her that the official company response is "Sorry, wait for it...", I'm pretty sure the damage is done regardless. And the latter certainly does not make up for the former. Seconded. CCP Guard is an unprofessional arrogant ****.
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:59:00 - [1270] Originally by: Io Koval Originally by: Velani Askiras You surely missed some stuff there (the 2nd real response): http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=3#90 Originally by: CCP Guard Guys, I didn't mean to offend with my little wordplay there. Sorry if I did. A more serious reply to your concerns and questions regarding pricing of virtual goods is coming. The workday started not long ago over here and most of us were up late monitoring initial reactions and spinning our dudes in CQ. We are piecing together the different opinions and we'll do our best to address all of them. Thank you all for your patience. In my job, if an unhappy customer comes forth and I make a joke about his situation, and then come back later and tell him or her that the official company response is "Sorry, wait for it...", I'm pretty sure the damage is done regardless. And the latter certainly does not make up for the former. Well, with this you are right of course. But it's still better than nothing, isn't it? Be serious, would it have been better for him to stay silent after his first comment? Everyone shouts for response here and there, this guy gave you some response... the first was bad, no doubt there, but the 2nd was still a nice move. Would you stay silent to your customer or just be like, ah f... it, i messed up. Hopefully i won't make the same mistake with my next customer. ? If not, then sure, you wouldn't tell your customer "sorry, please wait..." as a standalone. But in his position he can't just post a response with full details without talking to the TEAM first. Ever heard of the sentence "lesson learned"? I'm sure this guy did. Whatever, nobody is perfect, we are all just humans. Everyone makes mistakes. You do, i do, he does.

stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:05:00 - [1271] Originally by: Vin Hellsing The argument says it's unattractive due to the math. This is a spreadsheet game after all. There's a saying about money and being smart with it: It's called "dollars and sense". A smart investor knows not to jump into a product offering when it's at its most expensive. And $15 for a single stupid jacket is obscene. Except that isk isn't worth real money (not counting RMT.) 400 million isk (the price of PLEX) can't be exchanged for $15. 400 million isk is not worth $15. However, $15 is worth 400 million isk. Stating that a 1.4 billion isk monacle is worth ~$51 of real money is a bit disingenuous. Plus, investing your surplus isk in Eve is non-trivial (no stock market, no mutual funds) and risky (no way to enforce agreements.) Which means that once you've bought everything you want in Eve, there's not much you can do with your excess billions of isk. I think that CCP was banking on the idea that people value their surplus isk much less than someone who sells GTCs to get PLEX to buy isk. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:12:00 - [1272] Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 23/06/2011 18:13:03 Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Vin Hellsing The argument says it's unattractive due to the math. This is a spreadsheet game after all. There's a saying about money and being smart with it: It's called "dollars and sense". A smart investor knows not to jump into a product offering when it's at its most expensive. And $15 for a single stupid jacket is obscene. Except that isk isn't worth real money (not counting RMT.) 400 million isk (the price of PLEX) can't be exchanged for $15. 400 million isk is not worth $15. However, $15 is worth 400 million isk. Stating that a 1.4 billion isk monacle is worth ~$51 of real money is a bit disingenuous. Plus, investing your surplus isk in Eve is non-trivial (no stock market, no mutual funds) and risky (no way to enforce agreements.) Which means that once you've bought everything you want in Eve, there's not much you can do with your excess billions of isk. I think that CCP was banking on the idea that people value their surplus isk much less than someone who sells GTCs to get PLEX to buy isk. And what they weren't thinking about, was the fact that the majority of EVE players are not people with billions of disposable currency. Like me. Right now, I only have 20 million isk in my account, and it was created in 2004. Can you guess why? It's because I didn't play as a dedicated EVE player. There are people out there like me, and they are understandably upset. I'm not about to shell out $15-$80 for that crap, and I'm a roleplayer. I enjoy RP, and as a Roleplayer, I enjoy customizing my characters in my games, but when a game starts to charge extortionate prices for a mere component of an outfit...that's when I start feeling the justification to buy an airline ticket to Reykjavik, knock on CCP's door, and kick the first man I meet in the nuts.
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:17:00 - [1273] Originally by: Vin Hellsing Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 23/06/2011 18:13:03 Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Vin Hellsing The argument says it's unattractive due to the math. This is a spreadsheet game after all. There's a saying about money and being smart with it: It's called "dollars and sense". A smart investor knows not to jump into a product offering when it's at its most expensive. And $15 for a single stupid jacket is obscene. Except that isk isn't worth real money (not counting RMT.) 400 million isk (the price of PLEX) can't be exchanged for $15. 400 million isk is not worth $15. However, $15 is worth 400 million isk. Stating that a 1.4 billion isk monacle is worth ~$51 of real money is a bit disingenuous. Plus, investing your surplus isk in Eve is non-trivial (no stock market, no mutual funds) and risky (no way to enforce agreements.) Which means that once you've bought everything you want in Eve, there's not much you can do with your excess billions of isk. I think that CCP was banking on the idea that people value their surplus isk much less than someone who sells GTCs to get PLEX to buy isk. And what they weren't thinking about, was the fact that the majority of EVE players are not people with billions of disposable currency. Like me. Right now, I only have 20 million isk in my account, and it was created in 2004. Can you guess why? It's because I didn't play as a dedicated EVE player. There are people out there like me, and they are understandably upset. I'm not about to shell out $15-$80 for that crap, and I'm a roleplayer. I enjoy RP, and as a Roleplayer, I enjoy customizing my characters in my games, but when a game starts to charge extortionate prices for a mere component of an outfit...that's when I start feeling the justification to buy an airline ticket to Reykjavik, knock on CCP's door, and kick the first man I meet in the nuts. About 5 years ago when i played (just started new a few weeks ago). I had roughly always about 12 - 15 billion ISK on my wallet. If i would have those still today, i still wouldn't be so stupid to buy a monocle for 1.6 bil ISK or 70$. So i really can't support those mega prices on the NEX shop either....
Io Koval Gallente T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:26:00 - [1274] Originally by: Velani Askiras Well, with this you are right of course. But it's still better than nothing, isn't it? Be serious, would it have been better for him to stay silent after his first comment? Everyone shouts for response here and there, this guy gave you some response... the first was bad, no doubt there, but the 2nd was still a nice move. Would you stay silent to your customer or just be like, ah f... it, i messed up. Hopefully i won't make the same mistake with my next customer. ? If not, then sure, you wouldn't tell your customer "sorry, please wait..." as a standalone. But in his position he can't just post a response with full details without talking to the TEAM first. Ever heard of the sentence "lesson learned"? I'm sure this guy did. Whatever, nobody is perfect, we are all just humans. Everyone makes mistakes. You do, i do, he does. Don't get upset with me, jeez. Way to put words in my mouth, and then spill your thoughts over some perceived attitude you think I have. I have nothing more to say. Enjoy the conversations between yourself and the "me" in your head. I sincerely hope they are enlightening.
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:32:00 - [1275] Originally by: Io Koval Don't get upset with me, jeez. Way to put words in my mouth, and then spill your thoughts over some perceived attitude you think I have. I have nothing more to say. Enjoy the conversations between yourself and the "me" in your head. I sincerely hope they are enlightening. I just asked you some simple questions. Why should i be upset with you? There is no reason for me to be upset with you. You did nothing bad, nor wrong. Fly safe...
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:32:00 - [1276] What has me baffled is I can buy a real Eve shirt for less than I can buy a shirt in-game. I can buy a real monocle for less than an in-game monocle. Real life stuff > in-game stuff... in case CCP was confused about that. This signature is useless, but it is red.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:35:00 - [1277] Originally by: Vin Hellsing And what they weren't thinking about, was the fact that the majority of EVE players are not people with billions of disposable currency. Like me. Right now, I only have 20 million isk in my account, and it was created in 2004. Can you guess why? Actually they did think about Eve's poor (in terms of isk.) Since the goal of aurum is to reduce PLEX stockpiles, the NEX store's target audience wasn't the poor (in terms of isk.) Quote: It's because I didn't play as a dedicated EVE player. There are people out there like me, and they are understandably upset. Right. The NEX store was targeted at the rich Eve players and feels exclusionary. CQ is a technology demo instead of being a real feature and has the side effect of reducing functionality. So for most people, the Incarna "expansion" is better described as a patch with bug fixes, new turret graphics, and an agent finder. In short, very disappointing results for the given wait. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Randal Eirikr	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:35:00 - [1278] I had openly assumed CCP was trolling me, then I realized I could buy a full suit in real life for less than what I could buy one here in EVE.
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:41:00 - [1279] I am now officially embarrassed to tell my friends I play Eve, whereas once I was proud to say so. What a fecking disgrace.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:47:00 - [1280] Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Vin Hellsing And what they weren't thinking about, was the fact that the majority of EVE players are not people with billions of disposable currency. Like me. Right now, I only have 20 million isk in my account, and it was created in 2004. Can you guess why? Actually they did think about Eve's poor (in terms of isk.) Since the goal of aurum is to reduce PLEX stockpiles, the NEX store's target audience wasn't the poor (in terms of isk.) Quote: It's because I didn't play as a dedicated EVE player. There are people out there like me, and they are understandably upset. Right. The NEX store was targeted at the rich Eve players and feels exclusionary. CQ is a technology demo instead of being a real feature and has the side effect of reducing functionality. So for most people, the Incarna "expansion" is better described as a patch with bug fixes, new turret graphics, and an agent finder. In short, very disappointing results for the given wait. Still, it would have been more fiscally rewarding for CCP to set the NEX prices at reasonable rates comparable (or better than) to Valve's MANNconomy for Team Fortress 2. $7 for a military uniform (complete with hat, suit, pants, boots, gloves...) would be a perfect price.

Tric Starless	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:56:00 - [1281] 1) Your monthly subscription price is one of the highest around. 2) I HATE the idea of a Real Money Micro Transaction Store in a GAME I ALREADY PAY A SUBSCRIPTION FOR. 3) Your vanity item content should be included in that subscription price. 4) It makes me feel like you're cheating me out of content that would otherwise be included in the subscription. 5) I feel like the development is being misdirected by a bunch of greedy business guys who probably don't even play the game. 6) I think your MT Team should leave EVE alone, and reassigned to 'Other Projects' (DUST and WoD). 7) Get this stinking mess out of the subscription based Cash Cow that is EVE, before you destroy it.
Agent 42 Gallente RADIO RAMPAGE	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:57:00 - [1282] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Monocle
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:57:00 - [1283] Originally by: Io Koval http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=8#239 Originally by: CCP Spitfire Please keep the discussion in this thread. Did you tell that to CCP Guard? I think you just want to divert attention away from the only real response we have gotten so far: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533807&page=1#11 Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder. You are my hero.
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:58:00 - [1284] Edited by: Morgan Polaris on 23/06/2011 19:01:55 There's like this one metric that CCP is really attuned to. What was it again? Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu \| http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535011
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:02:00 - [1285] Originally by: Morgan Polaris Edited by: Morgan Polaris on 23/06/2011 19:00:19 There's like this one metric that CCP is really attuned to. What was it again? Yep. Unfortunately my subscription is quarterly, so I'm stuck here until the end of the summer.
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:10:00 - [1286] Originally by: Morgan Polaris Edited by: Morgan Polaris on 23/06/2011 19:01:55 There's like this one metric that CCP is really attuned to. What was it again? Honestly, you don't have to discontinue your subscription to protest AUR. CCP made it real easy, don't buy AUR if you don't like it. I'm just disappointed that CCP missed their price points for micro-transactions this badly. This signature is useless, but it is red.
Capt Godric	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:11:00 - [1287] And, if players do not buy, CCP probably will put something like ship bonus in clothes, like +5% shld res, +5% armr rep (like implants) forcing weak people buying. This just an idea. Mhuahuahua! CCP, you sell your soul for the Devil?
BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:14:00 - [1288] My other posts (yes, my wall of text took up multiple posts) I think expresses my opinion more clearly. If CCP really is interested in what the players have to say, I would encourage them to read it, I didn't put it up for no reason :P For the purpose of this thread thread though, I'll sum up my thoughts. I could care less about the current price of anything on the NeX market, because I'll never be using it. Maybe if it was player run ISK market, but even then I don't really care about vanity at all, so whatever. The prices do look ridiculous though, as has been pointed out by many in the gaming industry press. I think CCP has some egg on it's face over this, and Eve's reputation suffers as a result.
Isidore Tailleur Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:20:00 - [1289] Might as well point it out here too. CCP changing the business model of EVE will not work. Because strictly looking at gameplay EVE is actually a really booring and bad game. EVE is the sandbox and the player driven economy, your new business model will break that and there will be nothing left of your game except some brackets sitting on a wall of stars...
Inspiration	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:37:00 - [1290] Edited by: Inspiration on 23/06/2011 19:45:55 CCP has made a strategic mistake of EPIC proportions! For many players PLEX are the ONLY method of paying their subscription they can sustain. They grind missions or mine in EVE and buy PLEX from other players using ISK they earned in-game. This mechanic is a win/win/win scenario for buying, selling players and also for CCP. By hooking in-game virtual items to real life money trough PLEX, they are disrupting this positive balance. It can only make PLEX more expensive as demand for them picks up as new useful items will be released, effectively locking part of the player base out of the game. Second, the forced changes makes the less powerful machines of these less wealthy people tank (seriously). Making the game less affordable or at the very minimum, make multiple accounts really unfeasible. This too will cost CCP active accounts and thus income from loyal subscribers as well as hurt the sandbox as player content disappears (less targets and human interaction). Now we get to the situation of the lucky players where the above mechanics do not apply. A LOT of development time financed by existing subscribers is being used to develop features and purchasable items that very few actually desire as it now stands. This implies a lot of misdirected resources that could have also been directed towards solving the known (but largely ignored) issues the player base voiced over the years. To add insult to injury, CCP starts charging for limited(?) content that they indirectly already payed a heavy price for! This practice is mind staggering stupid and morally disgusting. Realize your paycheck comes out of our pockets CCP...the game might be your intellectual property, but we are by no means forced to play with your IP forever, thus listening to your customers instead of some mad game designer is a prudent and just thing to do! There is "something" to be said for walking in stations and what new features it can spawn into. But you have to consider the trade offs with respect to your customer base needs. Right now many feel betrayed (and rightfully so IMO), and you should take serious notice CCP. And really virtual items for real live money, do you really think that the sum of players that do get into this feature will be enough to recover the true aggregated development (and maintenance/testing) time spend at CCP? If not, and I think that is very likely right now, it means that it is subsidized work, paid for by neglecting other efforts as development resources can be spend only once! It sets a very BAD precedent too. You are moving to a business model where you do not deliver what your paying customers communicate they want. You create an incentive to actively deliver substandard content that is paid for in full by subscriptions and that also pays for additional content that players might want but have to pay for an additional time just to get it. It is like quality insurance in reverse. It is corrupt from the ground up and a practice most people will hate from the bottom of their hearts. And on AT9 you talked about wealthy players showing off their wealth...well wealth in EVE means ISK. Which means the items should be NPC items that should be paid for by ISK and not PLEX (RL money). Remember my comments about PLEX, you are disrupting the balance and are cutting off people from EVE...actively and as a new design policy! Thit is a MAD business model that can only lead to decline of actual revenue. Stop being short sighted for profit and expand on your strengths instead of playing copy cat of failed business models. WAKE UP before it is TOO LATE...for your own sake! You dont have to throw away all the work being done so far, but you need to serieously change the workings of the new shop!

Algathas The Revenge of Auntie Freeze	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:37:00 - [1291] This is what an $80 monocle should do:
Reppyk	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:39:00 - [1292] Edited by: Reppyk on 23/06/2011 19:39:44 Me too : Link if you can't see pictures : http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/7025/monocle.jpg
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:47:00 - [1293] Originally by: Isidore Tailleur CCP changing the business model of EVE will not work. Because strictly looking at gameplay EVE is actually a really booring and bad game. But if you can MT the grind/boring away, then the business model could work. The example of being able to buy faction standings via MTs was given in the leaked newsletter. Quote: EVE is the sandbox and the player driven economy, your new business model will break that and there will be nothing left of your game except some brackets sitting on a wall of stars... Maybe. If CCP is really judicious about what in-game advantages they allow MTs to provide, then MTs and Eve can co-exist. Example: allowing MTs to provide advantages for hi-sec carebares in PvE content. Null-sec has miltary upgrades to increase cosmic anomalies. How do you feel if a carebear could purchase a MT upgrade that allows them to boost their hi-sec missions in a similar (but lesser) manner? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Atreus Venom Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:50:00 - [1294] IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN HOW AWESOME YOUR LIFE CAN BE ON STATION IF YOU JUST GIVE IN TO CCP'S MONEY *****ING CHECK OUT MY CAPTAINS QUARTERS :) º--Atreus--º
Zeimanov Kalzumaan Haruspex Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:52:00 - [1295] Seriously people, the prices are a complete joke but do they seriously matter? These vanity items will not impact the game one bit - simply not buying them will send enough of a message! I logged on last night looking to buy some stuff from the store - CCP lost out, it's no big deal to me. My real concern is that in all this confusion CCP can backtrack by lowering prices and the playerbase will accept microtransactions. The real issue is CCP's intent to implement non-vanity items. DESPITE promises to the CSM that this would not happen we are going hace this forced on us. Serously CCP, if you're strapped for cash put a dollar or so ont he subscription, don't ruin the game through .......
Serum	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:54:00 - [1296] I have seen functionality in other cash shops that allow players to earn "cash equivalent points" on a monthly rate from their subscription, or having the ability to earn "cash equivalent points" by playing the game. From what I have seen of the sources we are talking about, there is no way to get Aurum other than by using a PLEX. A couple things I think should happen because of this: 1. Aurum should only be used to purchase fluff items. Skill gain items or horribly Over-Powered mods or ammo should be left off the table when it comes to cash shop purchases. 2. Either modify the exchange rate of Aurum per PLEX, or reevaluate your prices for simple clothing items. Monocles can be 6 months of PLEX value.. I don't know of many normal people that wear monocles anymore and it should be the domain of eccentric old tycoons, I don't care either way. However, if you are going to charge a month or more for a tee shirt or a pair of shoes... you have not fully thought out the costs of these items on a grand scale. putting this into perspective.... there is only 1 maybe 2 avenues that a player can show off their NEX purchases. Screenshots, and pilot pictures. Perhaps when pilots can mingle on the promenade or visit other pilots in their Captains Quarters, will this kind of purchase ever be worthy of breaking up a PLEX for. My personal opinion is that those using PLEX in this manner are: a)foolish with their money b) sitting on piles and piles of ISK with no other reason to invest/spend c) A combination of a and b. my choice is c. As it stands now, the NEX is an ISK sink. The jury is still out if it will ever be a game changer. when it becomes a game changer, there needs to be a few other avenues to gain these game changing items apart from NEX, market purchases. word of warning, If you ever offer skill points for Aurum, you will effectively castrate your character progression system. That which we do in life, Echoes in Eternity.
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:56:00 - [1297] Originally by: Zeimanov Kalzumaan Seriously people, the prices are a complete joke but do they seriously matter? No, the monocle prices do not matter. The process which led to the adoption of said prices does, however.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:59:00 - [1298] If anyone has an opinion on alternatives to increasing CCP's revenue (an inevitability, as they are a for-profit corporation) without destroying the integrity of our beloved Eve Online, I've created this thread. Lets give them a constructive solution to something the community has soundly rejected, so that we can go forward instead of simply deciding to walk away entirely. Thank you all, for your feedback, I hope to see some good dialogue! There is plenty of threads to troll in, I want to keep this productive.
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:24:00 - [1299] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen If anyone has an opinion on alternatives to increasing CCP's revenue (an inevitability, as they are a for-profit corporation) I like how you snuck this in. CCP need to increase their revenue, so clearly we should find some way to pay them more. Are you serious? Something tells me EVE is not unprofitable.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:46:00 - [1300] This issue is very important but yet unresolved. It belongs to the front page at all times. -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st

boeboe joe Helix Commonwealth Command	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:50:00 - [1301] Originally by: Morrigun Rakari Originally by: CCP Zinfandel [ 2011.06.22 00:04:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community. Sure, Capsuleers might be rich, but Players aren't. Can someone tell this guy that microtransactions only really work as impulse buys, in much the same way big supermarkets put chocolate next to the checkouts, please? People think "Hell, it's only 60p/Ç1/etc, I'll treat myself!". They'd sell precisely none if they priced them at ú35/Ç40. I would have agree 100% with this man.
Blaze Stark	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:13:00 - [1302] Edited by: Blaze Stark on 23/06/2011 21:13:40 The prices are just ridiculous, do a reality check (other games for starters) please. Even F2P games are way cheaper. Better yet, screw the store, let us buy the stuff for ISK and the RL Money come in via Plex as before.
Xia Kairui Lone Star Exploration	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:15:00 - [1303] Originally by: Zeimanov Kalzumaan ... but do they seriously matter? These vanity items will not impact the game one bit ... IMO yes, since they are built with dev time paid for with prior subscriptions. The money that went into developing a monocle might have been better spent fixing bugs or adding more than a single one-person cell in a space station. That would have benefitted all 50k players logged into the server at any time, but with these pricings it'll only benefit a small group. Besides the flak from $70 monocles totally hides that the expansion so far went rather flawless for such a big change - after all, a complete engine was added. And again, maybe the monocle was to fault that there was only one version of the CQ.
Toawa EVE Mercantile Exchange Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:16:00 - [1304] Originally by: stoicfaux Except that isk isn't worth real money (not counting RMT.) 400 million isk (the price of PLEX) can't be exchanged for $15. 400 million isk is not worth $15. However, $15 is worth 400 million isk. Except that 400m isk can be exchanged for $15. In the big dictionary o' economics, look up "Substitution". Without PLEX: I have 500m isk, I have $15 dollars. I need to maintain an EVE subscription (without which, I would have 0 isk). Every month I have to spend $15 to maintain subscription, and thus my 500m isk. End of month: 500m isk, $0. With PLEX: I have 500m isk, I have $15 dollars. I need to maintain an EVE subscription (without which, I would have 0 isk). I buy a PLEX for 400m isk and cash it in for a month's subscription. End of month: 100m isk, $15. I have exchanged 400m isk for $15. "A penny saved is a penny earned." -- Benjamin Franklin
Shaul Amaninatis Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:17:00 - [1305] I think it is cool that CCP asks those high prices. They are again doing it different than the rest. Keep going that way CCP. Go the long way home and hopefully teach the gaming industry a lesson And to all those players that constantly whine about the RL cash which they need to spent: No you don't need to spent your RL cash. Someone else can buy that GTC/PLEX with his/her RL cash. All you need to spend is ISK. That other dude gets the ISK and you get your shinies from the Noble Exchange (simple is that). I have enough ISK to buy the PLEX/AUR. I hope you do too. And if not: HTFU
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:17:00 - [1306] posting across from the other 'officially sanctioned' complaint thread... the actual prices in the NEX store are irrelevant a far as I am concerned... The fact that they are so farcical is... well farcical, but for me... not relevant. I have held off posting for a while since it looked initially like this could well be a prank... Now it doesn't... My response to the gist of the document is this: A) you hold a position and stand by it, arguing in its defence with reasoned argument... If those arguments stand up, you get to keep that position... If the arguments don't stand up... you modify your position to take into account the counter arguments that defeated you... If you don't admit defeat to better arguments you are guilty of rigid dogmatism, and that leads to bad places... What you don't do is hold a position, you don't think you can justify to others, and simply keep quiet about it and implement its consequences without telling anyone... This is being what is known as a conniving, cowardly, yellow bellied chicken... If CCP really believe that MT is the way forward, then they should say so, and why... Then those of us that still disagree can know where we stand... And quit if necessary. lying about MT because you don't think we will like it is utter cowardice. B) I think introducing MT for vanity items is really bad, and totally oppose it (long argument not for right now in this heated atmosphere). Introducing MT for non-vanity items is unforgivable and I will quit if you ever do this. C) As far as I was concerned the NEX appeared on SiSi out of thin air, with the follow-up dev blog announcing a fait acompli that from now on clothing (and other items) would only be available for MT, and even the selection we had (which is not very good) would be reduced to the clothes on our backs... I read the forums quite a bit, and read all the dev blogs, and this came as a total shock to me... I basically found out that immersion was going to cost extra on the test server. This ****ed me off a lot. I pay a subscription for EVE... this gives (or should give) full access to the player economy, and with nothing other than my subscription and time, I can build, win, or buy with isk I make, anything in game (barring things like tourney prises) without paying another dime... In fact one of EVE's greatest strengths and one of the things that keeps me in it is the player driven economy... MT, even for vanity items destroys this... and destroys the player economy's immersive value as well. If you had posted a dev blog, 6 months ago, saying we are looking in to doing this, this, and this, what are your thoughts, would you accept this.... and we had had the ability to discuss the issue before a single line of code had been written... we could have had a civilised discussion on it... However you have tried to ram this down our throats with little to no warning, despite huge response to the one thread I was aware of in the assembly hall where almost everyone voted against MT... Because of this we can't have a civilised debate on the subject... Either MT goes... or I do... take your pick either way... From a PR perspective... You really need to get some kind of initial response, or at least explanation out NOW... it has already taken you to long to respond. And no, you can't have my stuff. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Glyken Touchon Gallente Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:30:00 - [1307] CCP Fallout pointed people at this thread from one of the Incarna feedback threads so here's my advice: The Noble Exchange needs price brackets or it will be wasted due to lack of use Free stuff from CC (everyone) cheap stuff (most people) middling stuff (some people) expensive stuff (few people) How much? (rare sight) Ship skins with a ship traded in should fall into categories 2 or 3 because they can go pop, and by keeping them (relatively) cheap, people will replace them without a second thought. The other thing necessary for attracting players to part with AUR is variety- why bother paying to customise when there is more variety in the free selections in the base creator. ______ When the forums asked CCP for transparency, we didn't mean the HUD...
Triple Entendre Deliciously Vicious	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:41:00 - [1308] Edited by: Triple Entendre on 23/06/2011 21:44:56 Second page? You wish, guys.
Edward Olmops	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:53:00 - [1309] Edited by: Edward Olmops on 23/06/2011 21:53:14 Good point, fully agree with Glyken. Anyone who complains about this M(icro/ega)T stuff should consider a) ignoring the NeX and playing EVE instead (with a cool CQ TV instead of spinning the ship all night long) b) buying the stuff from the market with ISK. No real money involved. Yes, the prices are insane, but hey the items are INDESTRUCTIBLE! (to all who don't know this paradigm: it's like in WOW - you pop or you are podded and your clothes come back at no cost! Sounds weird, hm?) Ok, the physics behind this are a bit obscure, but consider this scene: YOU are the badass guy pirate with that evil look and the monocle. Everyone knows you and fears you. Now you fly to that station to do what ever shady things you want to do, but... well... sort of bad luck, you know, you have to tell all people that YOU are the evil guy with the monocle. That is, NORMALLY. You are just a bit short on cash, because you just ... erm... sort of ran into that gate camp. And that guy over there - yes, the one that actually wear the monocle - , he was the one to be first at the wreck...
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:54:00 - [1310] Originally by: Toawa Originally by: stoicfaux Except that 400m isk can be exchanged for $15. In the big dictionary o' economics, look up "Substitution". I have exchanged 400m isk for $15. That's a bit oversimplified and a very limited situation. Once you pay for your monthly PLEX, can you substitute/convert the rest of your isk to $15 of real money? Substitution will only work a limited number of times. My point still stands, once a player's isk income is comfortable enough to cover their Eve bills and their PLEX sub, the perceived value of idle isk goes down, and the more willing a person is to incur an unfavorable isk to Aurum conversion rate. I just wonder what kind of numbers bizdev looked at to decide that there was enough of a potential market of players who could and would pay ~1.3 billion isk for a monocle. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"

Bar0th Gallente Industrial Forge Works Inc	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:17:00 - [1311] Edited by: Bar0th on 23/06/2011 22:25:15 The problem I see with the current selection for purchase with AUR is the price. Either divide the costs of these "micro-transaction" items by at least 20, or multiply the AUR from PLEX by at least 20 (whichever is easier to correct in the database after the change). That way, even the most expensive item is currently $3. By reducing the prices 95%, you are making 1/20 the income per sale, but will have more than 20x the sales = more profit. As for other areas of sales: No advantage should be able to be purchased, including SP, standings, more powerful weapons, ammo, ships, etc. A brand new toon should not be able to have a ton of cash dumped on it and be equal to a 5+ year vet, and standing losses should be earned back not purchased. In the case of SP: it's an advantage compared to other new players, and with standings it allows you to buy your way back from wrongdoing (intentional or not) - negating part of the consequences. People play games as something to occupy their time. Removing all of the time sinks means they have no reason to play. Purely cosmetic items (ship outward appearance, fancier looking weapons on ships with the same stats, CQ decorations, avatar clothes, etc are all fine - as long as they provide NO benefit at all. I personally want logos on ships, option for new appearance items, and ability to customize the CQ (I'm from SWG after all - decorating houses was another time sink), and will pay for the ability to (provided the price is much lower than current). Having spent quite a bit on a F2P game (Battlefield Heroes) for outfits, weapons and widgets I can say that the one thing most players hate are those with the Uber/Super weapons which give an advantage over non-paying (not even a huge advantage - slightly more criticals, and a slight damage increase). Many rage quits on maps over them, and some servers ban on sight if you use them. Why do people pay for outfits there? Unique appearance, and supports development of the game. (BTW: in BF:H an entire 5-piece outfit can be purchased for as low as $10. A monocle in BF:H is $2.71 for lifetime ownership.)
Bobang Rasmataz	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:23:00 - [1312] I have no words, so il sum up my thoughts with pretty pictures
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:25:00 - [1313] Originally by: Edward Olmops b) buying the stuff from the market with ISK. No real money involved. Yes, the prices are insane, but hey the items are INDESTRUCTIBLE! IIRC, NEX items don't jump with your clone. So if you destroy you monocled clone from your character sheet or if your monocled clone is in a capital ship clone vat bay and the ship is destroyed, my guess is that you lose the monocle. Or it might get transferred to your hanger. Who's up for testing it? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:28:00 - [1314] Are we there yet? Or CCP is still hoping the angry mob with pitchforks and torches jus will go away sometime?
Davon Kastire Caldari Hit it n' Quit it	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:37:00 - [1315] *"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."*
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:37:00 - [1316] Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Are we there yet? Or CCP is still hoping the angry mob with pitchforks and torches jus will go away sometime? Just wait until Icelandic natives report an unusual amount of job ads showing up. Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu \| http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535011
Nair Alderau	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:41:00 - [1317] Edited by: Nair Alderau on 23/06/2011 22:42:39 Honestly, I dont mind the NEX. Prices are ridiculous, yes. I will never buy a thing there, yes. But I dont care as long as they are just vanity items. Some very rich pilots now have a way to spend their ISK. I am always in favor of ISK sinks. Also, if the price of PLEX does rise somewhat... and more real-life-well-off people buy PLEX .... good. A bit more money to develop this game that I DO NOT PAY, perfect. Just make sure you NEVER sell anything there that aint a vanity item. Or else.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:54:00 - [1318] Add one more link to the press coverage: http://www.hardocp.com/news/2011/06/23/ridiculously_expensive_in_game_content
Flamespar	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:04:00 - [1319] Mmmm. Tears. Forum players do not represent the majority of EVE players. Though many delude themselves thinking otherwise. But please CCP, lets make them happy by giving them some cheaper items in NeX for them to wear. Seems like a simple solution if you ask me.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:20:00 - [1320] This topic needs attention. How hard can it be? -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st

Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:23:00 - [1321] Originally by: Myra2007 This topic needs attention. How hard can it be? CCP wants the thread to die. You know how they behave when anger happens like this. They circle the wagons. Heat dies down, then they sally forth and start culling the forums and pruning it, Then release a bunch of devblog posts that have absolutely nothing to do with the real problem at hand, intended to distract. I've only been back to EVE for six months, and already my faith in CCP has been almost throughly shattered with their lack of a robust, respectful response on the issue. Reason? They're looking at the "metrics" first, and not taking into consideration the feelings of their playerbase. That's pretty bold and cold of them...and stupid.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:28:00 - [1322] Originally by: Flamespar Forum players do not represent the majority of EVE players. Though many delude themselves thinking otherwise. This is true. But... If someone isn't into Eve enough to read and post on the forums, are they likely to ever buy a $70 monocle? No. Because the only reason to buy the monocle is to troll the forums with the monocle. That means we've likely seen and know of every monocle that has been sold because the urge to immediately post a "LOOK AT MAH MONOCLE" thread is too irresistable. I have seen between 6-10 monocles, one of those being a dev. So if you ask me, the opinions of the forums do represent Eve as a whole. Except that about 100% of the non-posting majority opened up the NEX store, looked, LOLed, and will never open it again instead of posting about it.
Omegris Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:46:00 - [1323] Edited by: Omegris on 23/06/2011 23:47:38 I almost never post, but this thread deserves comment. I recently bought a real life skirt for my GF for $17. A virtual skirt on the NeX currently costs aporoximately $17 (using current plex conversion rates). Now, CCP, answer me this: Why would I buy a virtual skirt for a virtual character for THE SAME the cost of a real skirt that can be worn by a real character? Your virtual goods need to cost a FRACTION (and I'm talking proper fraction where the numerator is smaller than the denominator, not an improper fraction) of what real life goods cost, otherwise all people will do is laugh and/or unsub.
Contessa Colbert Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:51:00 - [1324] You can buy current nex items for isk, a pair of boots is only 400,000,000 isk. Balanced right. CNR battleship or some boots. I cancelled both my accounts not for the poor launch but over the general direction of ccp. Dust being Ps3 only Nex is a joke Leaked pdf info Bs dev attitudes and forum responses and lack thereof Ignoring, improper use of Csm 24hour wardeck timer garbage allowing kill after cancel. Citibank executive in leadership (corrupt organization crushing dreams of millions) Some of these can be fixed, but after seeing CCPS REAL future vision i dont want any part of it. You make FUNCOM look good ccp. What a sucker we all are. Do not confuse kindness, for weakness.
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:52:00 - [1325] Shave a zero off current AURUM prices and I think things would be pretty perfect. Then CCP can maybe release a couple of extremely limited edition, ridiculously-high priced items.
Cooper Anderson Stewart	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:56:00 - [1326] Originally by: Edward Olmops Edited by: Edward Olmops on 23/06/2011 21:53:14 Good point, fully agree with Glyken. Anyone who complains about this M(icro/ega)T stuff should consider a) ignoring the NeX and playing EVE instead (with a cool CQ TV instead of spinning the ship all night long) b) buying the stuff from the market with ISK. No real money involved. Yes, the prices are insane, but hey the items are INDESTRUCTIBLE! (to all who don't know this paradigm: it's like in WOW - you pop or you are podded and your clothes come back at no cost! Sounds weird, hm?) Ok, the physics behind this are a bit obscure, but consider this scene: YOU are the badass guy pirate with that evil look and the monocle. Everyone knows you and fears you. Now you fly to that station to do what ever shady things you want to do, but... well... sort of bad luck, you know, you have to tell all people that YOU are the evil guy with the monocle. That is, NORMALLY. You are just a bit short on cash, because you just ... erm... sort of ran into that gate camp. And that guy over there - yes, the one that actually wear the monocle - , he was the one to be first at the wreck... How long have you worked for CCP Games?
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:59:00 - [1327] Originally by: Zverofaust Shave a zero off current AURUM prices and I think things would be pretty perfect. Then CCP can maybe release a couple of extremely limited edition, ridiculously-high priced items. Very true, remove one 0 and it would be fine. If you want expensive stuff, then add clothes you have shown us already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdbYsHbGYmU For such a dress you can indeed raise the price. But it still shouldn't cost 80$ either.
Takishu	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:04:00 - [1328] The point is to make us cry over the price of the object, accepting by that the very point that they are selling us objects we don't want. Then, they lower the price... And everyone is fine with that : Yeaaah. Victory. They listen us! We have won! Mh... Wait ?
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:25:00 - [1329] Originally by: Velani Askiras Originally by: Zverofaust Shave a zero off current AURUM prices and I think things would be pretty perfect. Then CCP can maybe release a couple of extremely limited edition, ridiculously-high priced items. Very true, remove one 0 and it would be fine. If you want expensive stuff, then add clothes you have shown us already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdbYsHbGYmU For such a dress you can indeed raise the price. But it still shouldn't cost 80$ either. THe visual resources they demonstrated in that video look like they belong to the World of Darkness MMO, not EVE. Sorry to burst your bubble there. Still, I find it ******ed that ATI video cards get left in the cold with this APEX physics processing.
Neroon Kashada	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:27:00 - [1330] Edited by: Neroon Kashada on 24/06/2011 00:28:32 Wow the overeaction to the new NeX Store prices is downright hilarious. Let me clarify a few things to the masses of rageaholics out there. 1. VANITY ITEMS- meaning, not required, does not impact gameplay, CCP is not putting a gun to your head to buy these things. 2. AURUM-this new currency is tied to plex which is tied to isk. Low initial NeX store prices would inflate plex prices which devalues isk. 3. MICROTRANSACTIONS-So, CCP is exploring new revenue models, SO IS EVERY FRACKING BUSINESS ON THE PLANET. You can't exactly find programmers,developers at your local goodwill or salvation army. It's like people want the resources of a multi-billion dollar corporation at no cost to them. Economics may work differently in Unicorn Fairy Fantasy Kingdom, but this is the real world. UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS. 4. Some have suggested raising subscription prices to offset the need for MT Shops, lets get real, how many of you would rage/quit the same over this too. 5. What other game out there with the MT store lets you buy these items with ingame currency??? 6. oh and YOU DON'T LIKE THE PRICES, DON'T BUY THEM, SIMPLE AS THAT. EASY PEASY. COULDN'T BE ANY SIMPLER. /END THREAD

Cave Lord	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:27:00 - [1331] Edited by: Cave Lord on 24/06/2011 00:28:52 Please remove ALL RMT/micro-macro transactions. We can understand PLEX. We can not back you on anything else. This will always be a thorn in the side of CCP and the issue will never EVER go away. Who wants to play game where they feel they are robbed? I've tried to play micro-transaction games. It's nifty for the first couple of days.. .and then, well, I hit walls. EVE isn't like that. I get full, unrestricted access to the Universe of EVE. For $15/month, I can gain access to shape a virtual universe and make it what I want it to be. Micro transactions- even for vanity items kills that. So stop making this an issue of wallet and make it an issue of "Let's make this game better so we get more subscribers" Steady income > Quick riches. This is why many people who win the lotto go bankrupt. Also, if you don't believe me, go to Las Vegas, Nevada some time. There's a reason why it is so glamorous - it's the people (CCP) lured to quick riches who pay for most of the bling. CCP, quit following everyone else and get back to the stuff we pay you a steady income for. Signed, everyone who payed for EVE before micro transactions. VIVA LA SANDBOX!
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:38:00 - [1332] Originally by: Vin Hellsing Originally by: Velani Askiras Originally by: Zverofaust Shave a zero off current AURUM prices and I think things would be pretty perfect. Then CCP can maybe release a couple of extremely limited edition, ridiculously-high priced items. Very true, remove one 0 and it would be fine. If you want expensive stuff, then add clothes you have shown us already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdbYsHbGYmU For such a dress you can indeed raise the price. But it still shouldn't cost 80$ either. THe visual resources they demonstrated in that video look like they belong to the World of Darkness MMO, not EVE. Sorry to burst your bubble there. Still, I find it ******ed that ATI video cards get left in the cold with this APEX physics processing. Yes, nothing new there, so no bubble burst at all, sorry :) It was just an example to make clear what kind of clothes would actually make sense to put on a high price. However, there are no reasons why you couldn't pull off such dresses in EVE online, it's the same engine, same physics. But that's not the point here at all. The current items are just basic stuff, not worth 3500 AUR, 4200 AUR or even 12000 AUR....
Toawa EVE Mercantile Exchange Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2011.06.24 02:35:00 - [1333] Originally by: stoicfaux That's a bit oversimplified and a very limited situation. Once you pay for your monthly PLEX, can you substitute/convert the rest of your isk to $15 of real money? Substitution will only work a limited number of times. I never said it was an unlimited substitution; I was just responding to the assertion that it wasn't possible at all. In my case, it would only work twice a month (three if I let my year sub run out), but three's still more than zero. I agree with your point about ISK perceived value.
Einar Matveinen Gallente nXo Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.24 02:56:00 - [1334] Originally by: Starr Tookus Can't wait to see the KM's of those relocating their wardrobes. And loot that artificial eye/monocle one billion worth. -- BALANCE 0 AUR
Tom Dreyfus Gallente Gentian Line	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:33:00 - [1335] Dear CCP, I can't recall ever chiming in on an issue with the game in the forum before, but... wow. Essentially, I am dealing with RL stuff that's gonna prevent me from having time to play eve until the new year, or later. My intent was to login and keep switching skills when I needed to and have my main and alt be that much more awesome when life gets back to normal for me. But, yeah, that's not gonna happen. Apparently the thought of there being a way to squeeze more money from the folks that keep you employed makes you HTFU. I'll take the $25/month I've been spending to keep my two sets of space lights on, and I'll spend that money elsewhere. Send me an email when you realize that your game's audience is not subbing so they can make themselves poor while playing with their space dollies. Put SERIOUS, and OBVIOUS effort into the core gameplay. Fix CQ resource demands so that we can dual/multibox without our computers bursting into flames or grinding to a halt. Deal with the fact that MOST of nullsec is slowly being taken over by botters who are making a whole bunch of money at your expense and ruining the in-game economy (I know, there's a thingy in place for reporting them now, but I get the feeling that's just to save the GMs from having to trash all those mails after spitting out another form mail and doing nothing). It all makes me ashamed to have paid you so much money since '07. We pay you our hard-earned money in exchange for entertainment, with the expectation that you will make your product more entertaining over time. You have done the opposite, and your "feature" that has broken the game in a whole new way is an obvious cash-grab. On top of that, it is, according to your own internal memo, merely the first step to a game that will give gameplay advantages to those who get on the "micro"transaction bandwagon. I could rant for a lot longer, but I have much more important things to attend to. TL;DR CCP has lost its way and my business. Gonna be a shame to see these greedy buggers bring down what used to be the most fun, lumbering dinosaur of a MMO. Goodbye EVE. -Tom Dreyfus
Zarah Jade	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:04:00 - [1336] Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Vasentic I am wondering if this is part of CCP's protect the market strategy... start them off ridiculously expensive then drop the price slowly till people start buying at an acceptable rate? hmmm...interesting. it works in real estate. maybe we are playing right into their hands. maybe they are smarter than we give them credit for?
Dirk Altman Caldari The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:18:00 - [1337] ccp after playing since 06 all i can say after this patch is im insulted and i hope the price of plexs stays low because there is no way in h@ll im paying to play this S@#t so you have 2 accounts your going to loose if your stupid plex to aurum drives up plex prices.
Shereza	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:44:00 - [1338] Edited by: Shereza on 24/06/2011 04:46:34 Originally by: Vin Hellsing Still, I find it ******ed that ATI video cards get left in the cold with this APEX physics processing. Better to be left in the cold on this one. Whenever I enable the physics (whether or not it's PhysX) my character's hair (a different one than this one at least) tries to cut her head off. Frequently. Edit: Please note that what I'm referring to is how when moving forward her hair, dangling behind her, pushes forward as well as if there's a significant breeze coming from behind her but only when she moves forward. Furthermore her hair is pushed so far in it overlaps her "spine" making it look like her hair is trying to kill her.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 08:51:00 - [1339] Aaaand, the thread peaks at 40-some pages and slowly fades off as new content worth trolling comes up to the attention of community. CCP sighs in relief, the ****storm is over and they can keep charging their players 3 months of subscription for using some items they already paid for along the last year. Business as usual.
Jefferson H Clay	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:01:00 - [1340] Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Aaaand, the thread peaks at 40-some pages and slowly fades off as new content worth trolling comes up to the attention of community. CCP sighs in relief, the ****storm is over and they can keep charging their players 3 months of subscription for using some items they already paid for along the last year. Business as usual. What exactly would you like us to say? We've spent 3 days talking about this and had zero response from CCP other than that snarky "Eye of the beholder" line. We've hammered out counter proposals, we've raised questions, saught answers and recieved bupkiss. We're still watching this thread but we've nothing left to say at the momment.

Lara Dantreb New Horizons	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:22:00 - [1341] Originally by: Edward Olmops Edited by: Edward Olmops on 23/06/2011 21:53:14 Good point, fully agree with Glyken. Anyone who complains about this M(icro/ega)T stuff should consider a) ignoring the NeX and playing EVE instead (with a cool CQ TV instead of spinning the ship all night long) b) buying the stuff from the market with ISK. No real money involved. Yes, the prices are insane, but hey the items are INDESTRUCTIBLE! (to all who don't know this paradigm: it's like in WOW - you pop or you are podded and your clothes come back at no cost! Sounds weird, hm?) .../... Totally agreed, despite I read this thread I don't understand why ppl care about stuff that can be bought with isks still and that is for vanity only. NEX prices aren't the problem, main issue is that all this NEX stuff is just horrible to wear ! I would prefer nice jewelry instead of this horrible monocle ! : collar with pendant, tiara, earings... After all the purpose of vanity items is to show to the plebeians that your wallet is massive, it's still pvp. I'm pretty sure if one could wear a tempest tribal issue or any other unique ship as a jewel, he would !
Coco Caine	Posted - 2011.06.24 10:50:00 - [1342] I don't see the point of this whole 'Aurum' and 'Noble Shop' for game play. I won't use it, and find the backdoor attempt to have monthly fees AND introduce pay-per-play repulsive. The shop should be ISK based, and a pair of pants simply should NOT cost more than a battlecruiser... AAARRG ... Are there still some game designers working for CCP or have you successfully replaced them by marketing and finance experts? I haven't actively played EVE for a while now, and guess what - this shop won't cause me to return. I'm waiting for some long needed fixes to the PvE/PvP content. Even in Incarna you guys are still rescuing 'Lady in Distress', right? Is 'Faction Warfare' still circling beacons in space? /facepalm
Coco Caine	Posted - 2011.06.24 10:58:00 - [1343] On a second thought I'll go and cancel my subscription until this NEX thing is somehow fixed. CCP get your priorities right - you're getting paid for creating and maintaining a good game.
Dariel Ash Caldari Foetus Mart	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:44:00 - [1344] Contributing to threadnought. I could try and explain logically why I think the prices for these items is stupid (no offense) but I couldn't be arsed, I play eve for fun and as such am not going to srsbznz on forums about it. I feel the need to state that the prices for these vanity items makes CCP look stupid (no offense). Seriously. Has anybody even bought any monacles?
Sergara Darkthorn Amarr Push Butan Receive Bacon	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:49:00 - [1345] I still cant understand why people are getting so all up tight over this... The items, while I admit steep in price verging on daylight robbery, are not something which are a necessity... if you dont want to spend your cash on it.. dont buy it If people dont buy the stuff then it sends a fairly clear message... doesnt it?
Fernendel DeFunes	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:55:00 - [1346] I have worked out why the PLEX to Aurum prices are so utterly mad and quite frankly absurd. The developers have been sniffing volcano gas again. Another explanation might be a decrease in oxygen content in the Reykjavik area due to the volcanic activity. There can be no other reasons. Ps.... Marks and Spencers Gentlman 44inch chest dinner suit cost ú59, less than a monocle
Jefferson H Clay	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:04:00 - [1347] Originally by: Sergara Darkthorn I still cant understand why people are getting so all up tight over this... The items, while I admit steep in price verging on daylight robbery, are not something which are a necessity... if you dont want to spend your cash on it.. dont buy it If people dont buy the stuff then it sends a fairly clear message... doesnt it? You might want to skim read this and the other threads. Then flick through the PDF that's floating around. Yes, that is CCP's internal newsletter. Yes, the dev's did just call you a cash cow. Yes, the devs did call you an idiot and someone they'll have to sneak these things through. Yes. They did say a $$$ = I WIN option is in the pipeline. Buying it or not doesn't escape the fact you're about to come face 2 face with someone who's brought a victory over you... and no amount of SP, or grind will even the odds.
Fernendel DeFunes	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:31:00 - [1348] From the CCP internal PDF about AUR - read and be confused!!!! Second, we must sell our units of virtual currency - the AUR - at appropriate rates. No pair of pants, no matter how cool, should cost the same as a new Maserati; similarly,it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay the same price that I would for a faction battleship. So we might sell tiny things or batches of consumablegoods for just a few ômicro-PLEX,ö but we would have the optionto sell premium content and services at a much higher pricepoint. DO THEY READ THEIR OWN STUFF?
Pasithea Aeas Pirates in Silk Suits	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:44:00 - [1349] Edited by: Pasithea Aeas on 24/06/2011 12:44:39 Women's 'Quafe' T-Shirt 500.000.000,00 ISK inb4 interstellar reich mark
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:17:00 - [1350] As with all monopolies, the CCP Noble Exchange store (whatever it's called) NEEDS COMPETITION! Players should be able to create their own items and then sell them in the store for aurum! Moar selection, moar competition!

Iloni Atoriandra Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:18:00 - [1351] Look at my mighty monocle peasants.
Zer0 kooL We No Speak Americano	Posted - 2011.06.25 01:05:00 - [1352] Honestly im not agreeing with the prices they've set or the manor in which they conveniently have a button on the application to purchase (with real money) and convert plex cards; but honestly I can see why they did what they did... Recently because of the business I've just started working on i wrote up a business plan and included some parts of this (linked) report. http://venturebeat.com/2010/09/28/u-s-virtual-goods-market-to-hit-2-1-billion-in-2011/ and http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-28/tech/virtual.goods.market_1_virtual-goods-digital-goods-social-games?_s=PM:TECH Of course the first link ESTIMATES the virtual goods market will have slowed by 2011 (seeing as that article was written in 2010) but honestly i think the virtual good market is going to be going to double if not more in 2011 to over $3.5 or $4 billion at the end of this year. Especially when you have morons like this http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/17/farmville-facebook-zynga-technology-business-intelligence-virtual-goods.html mortgaging his home for $100,000 to purchase a virtual space station in a game ive never even hear of... Then even bigger morons within that same article buying the space station from him 4 years later for over $330,000.... The guy who initially purchased it ended up selling over $600k worth of items from his account last year. In short... Im stumped.
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:15:00 - [1353] Originally by: Ishnadriel Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25 I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ? Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous... I do believe it is intended as a money sink, to remove ISK from the game world, take ISK out of the game. No doubt CCP plans to create many different tiers of PC clothes, like one tier where each item costs around 5 PLEX, one tier where each item costs around 0.5 PLEX, one tier where each item costs around 0.05 PLEX, one at around 0.005 PLEX, one at 50 PLEX, and so forth, all visually distinctive so that one can see - at a glance - the wealth of another PC. I haven't tried CQ yet, and can't because I'm on a laptop and while it plays EVE in space just fine with 2 clients running on lowest graphics settings, I'm seriously worried about my laptop melting if I try CQ. So I don't know what the clothes shop is like, but my guess, based on reading other people's forum posts, is that CCP started out by releasing only one price tier out of the many price tiers they have (always) had planned, and that one tier happens to be fairly high-end. Am I guessing correctly? -- Salpad
Mattio11 Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:28:00 - [1354] Originally by: Contessa Colbert You can buy current nex items for isk, a pair of boots is only 400,000,000 isk. Balanced right. CNR battleship or some boots. I cancelled both my accounts not for the poor launch but over the general direction of ccp. Dust being Ps3 only Nex is a joke Leaked pdf info Bs dev attitudes and forum responses and lack thereof Ignoring, improper use of Csm 24hour wardeck timer garbage allowing kill after cancel. Citibank executive in leadership (corrupt organization crushing dreams of millions) Some of these can be fixed, but after seeing CCPS REAL future vision i dont want any part of it. You make FUNCOM look good ccp. What a sucker we all are. Dust being Ps3 only - you can still play Eve on your pc... also there are very good reasons as to why it's PS3 exclusive - mainly due to microsoft being difficult to deal with Nex is a joke then don't buy anything from it? Or are you jealous that your fwiends can afford monocles and you can't? Leaked pdf info see CCP ZULU's response here http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932 Bs dev attitudes and forum responses and lack thereof they're doing the best they Ignoring, improper use of Csm there have been various changes to game thanks to the CSM 24hour wardeck timer garbage allowing kill after cancel. boohoo! go cry to mommy _____________________________________ "NO! TRY NOT!... Do. Or do not. ...There is no try!"
Neighbour Girl	Posted - 2011.06.25 09:44:00 - [1355] Originally by: Mattio11 Originally by: Contessa Colbert You can buy current nex items for isk, a pair of boots is only 400,000,000 isk. Balanced right. CNR battleship or some boots. I cancelled both my accounts not for the poor launch but over the general direction of ccp. Dust being Ps3 only Nex is a joke Leaked pdf info Bs dev attitudes and forum responses and lack thereof Ignoring, improper use of Csm 24hour wardeck timer garbage allowing kill after cancel. Citibank executive in leadership (corrupt organization crushing dreams of millions) Some of these can be fixed, but after seeing CCPS REAL future vision i dont want any part of it. You make FUNCOM look good ccp. What a sucker we all are. Dust being Ps3 only - you can still play Eve on your pc... also there are very good reasons as to why it's PS3 exclusive - mainly due to microsoft being difficult to deal with Nex is a joke then don't buy anything from it? Or are you jealous that your fwiends can afford monocles and you can't? Leaked pdf info see CCP ZULU's response here http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932 Bs dev attitudes and forum responses and lack thereof they're doing the best they Ignoring, improper use of Csm there have been various changes to game thanks to the CSM 24hour wardeck timer garbage allowing kill after cancel. boohoo! go cry to mommy Standard ccp alt/kiss*** answer. If you werent one of those, what would it bother to you that somebody is leaving the game ? You can use your rich daddy's cc to buy virtual pants or inflated ccp subscription taxes - grownups do real work for a living.
Shannia Star Delphi Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.06.25 14:13:00 - [1356] +4 accounts that will not be renewed.
Aessaya Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.25 15:28:00 - [1357] Say no to MT!
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.25 16:48:00 - [1358] It's funny, people quoting the "Greed is Good", and bashing CCP, as many EVE players think greed is a virtue, when they apply it to the way they play the game. If everyone could afford a ****ing monocle, then everyone would have one, and there wouldn't be a damn thing unusual or special about them. $2.50 means that every member of the playerbase who wanted, would be sporting one, just like Bad Messenger of Draketrain up there, with His golden monocle. I figured a 30% reduction in price would be good, across the board, except maybe the boots which should probably go up 20%. Seriously, a good pair of boots costs money, which is why I just have shoes. Boots would be nice though. Actually, my shoes are nice too, and cost 5x what my jeans do, and 10x what I pay for shirts usually. Different type of clothing of course. If I was expecting to purchase clothes like those in the Vanity store, I'd probably be expecting to pay a lot more than I do for my shoes for a shirt and pants. My clothes are cheap, I'll admit it, but they get wrecked fast too, because I use them for work. Whatever. I just hope ship paintjobs are cheaper than monocles.
Law Deschain	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:56:00 - [1359] Originally by: Grash Freedom Edited by: Grash Freedom on 21/06/2011 23:30:24 CCP You are a joke, plain and simple. 12k aurum for an eye patch? 3600 aurum for a shirt? a virtual god damn pixel shirt? you want 3600 aurum = 1 plex = 19.99 euro This is not EVE Online but Prada online wtf and ffs
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.06.25 18:09:00 - [1360] Originally by: Salpad I do believe it is intended as a money sink, to remove ISK from the game world, take ISK out of the game. It's a money sink but it has nothing to do with isk. Here's an example: You buy three plexes. The first one you sell on the market for isk. That isk is now in your wallet. The second and third plex you use to buy a pair of pants. You can either wear the pants or you can sell the pants for isk. If you sell the pants for isk it goes into your wallet. You spend all that isk on other stuff. All that isk goes into someone else's wallet. The isk is still in the game. Effectively it goes no where. If NeX is successful, you can expect plex to be in the 600mil to 1bil range eventually. That means longer grinds and MORE isk in the game since more people will mission which generates isk out of thin air. Because of what is suspected to eventually be available in the NeX, it will drive the price of plex upwards. I do believe CCP wants a smaller, more affluent player base. The prices in the NeX should tell anyone interested the same.

Tipper Trix	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 - [1361] As an above poster said... BOYCOTT. However you like, cancel subs or simply don't use the NEX at all. Just like eve gate, maybe if we are lucky people will forget about it and it won't mean anything to us.
ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS	Posted - 2011.06.27 05:43:00 - [1362] Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Actually I'm laughing at the subtle sales technique. 1 PLEX = 3,500 Aurum aaaand.. wait for it.. "Women's 'Impress' Skirt": 3,600 Aurum! ^^^^^THIS^^^^
Foramen Nigra	Posted - 2011.06.27 12:40:00 - [1363] CCP HAD to make the prices so high in order to offset all the accounts they are losing, it was brilliant foresight on CCP's side/
Azieli	Posted - 2011.07.01 09:41:00 - [1364] Edited by: Azieli on 01/07/2011 09:42:13 Well, read this.
Utari Mythica	Posted - 2011.07.31 03:53:00 - [1365] I personaly find the "Free 1K Aurum" message as more of an insult than a gift. My character is a look-alike of me (pointing out female in specific) and all i can afford is "MEN's" boots? has CCP gone Sexist or is this just a mistake? i hope mistake.
That Handsome Frog	Posted - 2011.07.31 03:56:00 - [1366] You shifted through a months worth of posts to find this. You are a terrible forum necromancer and I can do bettr :D
xxxak Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.08.14 01:52:00 - [1367] Bahahahahahha hahahahahh
GHag	Posted - 2011.08.26 14:43:00 - [1368] You know all of these new clothes are nice but VERY boring... can we have some color and maybe braid... lets get these clothes fun and not boring
Cebraio	Posted - 2011.08.26 15:42:00 - [1369] Congratulations to the fourth necromancy of a dead thread. Please leave it dead.
Juris Ethos Caldari The Catholic Church	Posted - 2011.08.27 02:56:00 - [1370] How else could CCP afford to keep a staff of pro GM's that handle petitions in a timely manner? Oh wait, they don't. And that's not even to mention the terribad nature of the mission system, or the 100 count supercap blob paid for by bot alliances that run this game. But seriously, they should have just focused on walking in stations instead of this nonsense. If you're going to do an Item-PLEX exchange system, do one that benefits players in a real way, like remaps for PLEX. Or at least let me put my 10 units of 'Prostitute' in my Captain's Quarters. But twelve-thousand Aurum. Damn. Come to think of it, I can buy a shirt at Ralph Lauren for that.



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[00:44:42] CCP Zinfandel > Some people treat EVE Online not as a video game but as a hobby. They enjoy investing in their hobby and find that it makes them feel more connected with their hobby. We want to support that for those players who want it.

Telling people I play EVE however, once this thing is gonna make every news outlet ridicule this game...

Telling people I play EVE however, once this thing is gonna make every news outlet ridicule this game...

[00:44:42] CCP Zinfandel > Some people treat EVE Online not as a video game but as a hobby. They enjoy investing in their hobby and find that it makes them feel more connected with their hobby. We want to support that for those players who want it.

IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN HOW AWESOME YOUR LIFE CAN BE ON STATION IF YOU JUST GIVE IN TO CCP'S MONEY *****ING CHECK OUT MY CAPTAINS QUARTERS :)