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caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:18:00 - [1] Motherboard: CPU Type DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2, 3000 MHz (15 x 200) 6000+ NF520T ASUS Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce 6100-4xx, AMD Hammer Video Adapter ATI Radeon hd5700 4gb RAM windows 7 x64 ------------------ Running two clients and two screens, all graphic setting at low but with CQ on and it has fried my cpu and motherboard.
Billy Danacreon	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:33:00 - [2] Dont blame the game for your hardware issues. Worst case scenario : the game will use 100% of both your GPU and CPU, and even that should not cause any system failure.
Darwin Edison	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:36:00 - [3] Ouch. There definitely seems to be something going on with AMD processors. My system has a Phenom II x4 965. With two instances of the game running, the four cores never go over about 75% utilization for more than a second or two at a time (as reported by AMD System Montior), but the CPU temperature climbs from it's normal idle temperature of 43c until it plateaus around 64/65 (reported by Asus PC Probe II). It's never gone over 55c running multiple instances of EVE (or any other game for that matter) in the past.
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:37:00 - [4] If your system cannot handle being used under load then it has faults that are the problem of the manufacturer of the entire system and/or individual components. This is the same as when the login screen caused Nvidia 8000 series cards to overheat due to a known fault in them, something that they were already doing on other games. ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:38:00 - [5] keep an eye on those temperatures and disable CQ billy go **** yourself
Billy Danacreon	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:42:00 - [6] As Lork Niffle and I have stated, your computer should not burn under 100%/heavy load. If you can't understand that's your problem. Probably bad karma for being an ***
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:47:00 - [7] never had a problem before, even running three clients. why would I think any different with incarna,
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:58:00 - [8] Originally by: caldar ian never had a problem before, even running three clients. why would I think any different with incarna, I have Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 @2.9GHz, 4GB Ram, Radeon HD 5700, on a 5+ year old mobo -- running two clients with max settings on both no problem.
Darwin Edison	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:11:00 - [9] Edited by: Darwin Edison on 22/06/2011 02:11:37 With Load Station Environment disabled, my temp hasn't gone above 44c with two clients running for nearly a half hour. The only problem, I can't see which ship I'm in. I have to check the menus of everything in the hanger to find the one that doesn't say Make Active...or the one that does say Leave Ship. Although, I could bring up the Fittings screen first to limit the search to one hull type.
Rebel Boss	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:17:00 - [10] my sys is burned by the smell, phenom9500ati all asus, blewup in incarna i am still investigating it may be a software bug that heat the cpu and thos that dont have good cooling may get cooked...

Rebel Boss	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:20:00 - [11] Edited by: Rebel Boss on 22/06/2011 03:20:24 ...
Wa'roun Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Darwin Edison Edited by: Darwin Edison on 22/06/2011 02:11:37 With Load Station Environment disabled, my temp hasn't gone above 44c with two clients running for nearly a half hour. The only problem, I can't see which ship I'm in. I have to check the menus of everything in the hanger to find the one that doesn't say Make Active...or the one that does say Leave Ship. Although, I could bring up the Fittings screen first to limit the search to one hull type. or you could simply look at which ship is highlighted in the ships hangar box.
Julliette Libertine Gallente The Greek Connection	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Darwin Edison Edited by: Darwin Edison on 22/06/2011 02:11:37 With Load Station Environment disabled, my temp hasn't gone above 44c with two clients running for nearly a half hour. The only problem, I can't see which ship I'm in. I have to check the menus of everything in the hanger to find the one that doesn't say Make Active...or the one that does say Leave Ship. Although, I could bring up the Fittings screen first to limit the search to one hull type. o got problem with my i5 and an evga gtx 460......gpu process over 90% (high details) low details ( 80-85-90 depende on the angle of view) is quite annoying to see the card working on so high temperature and ear the fun working as hell......need to be fixed this problem from ccp So long and thanks for all the fish.
Mspaine Amarr Knights of Solitude Knights of the Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:08:00 - [14] Edited by: Mspaine on 22/06/2011 08:09:08 How often do you clean the inside of you're PC to remove the dustbunnies? Did you buy a stock pc (IE Premade Acer, dell, etc) - if this is the case you need to buy case fans and put them in youself. They're lucky to have any by default, so nothing is in there to pump the hot air out and bring in cool air. ONTOP of the no case fan thing for stock pc's - if you open it up you'll notice the wiring is EVERYWHERE, similar to spaggheti. If you have case fans - those wires are going to obstruct the airflow. Spend 10 minutes tidying the cables up - use cable ties to secure them to the metal casing. Heat is Bad when you're gfx card and cpu are going full pelt - mk? On another note - i have CQ disabled on my laptop. IT's a MSI GTX740. So it's got pretty good stock airflow on ot because its a gaming laptop. I have it sitting on a cooling plate. It still feels like a toaster when CQ is open. Rather than burn it out - ive turned it off. fix your'e engine. Kthx.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:38:00 - [15] Just got in my CQ and after a minute the fan on my laptop was going crazy, sorry i cant risk playing a game that may wreck may laptop thats not even a year old yet
Relentless Jim Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:00:00 - [16] Edited by: Relentless Jim on 22/06/2011 09:03:05 Tried Captain's Quarters out and after about 5 minutes of being logged in, my GPU fan started to sound like a 747. Opened up my control panel and saw that it was at 93 degrees. No other game I play does this. Looks like I will be disabling the main feature of this 'patch'. GPU is a ATI HD5770 1gb, with a Q6600 CPU at 3.2ghz and 4gb DDR2 memory. Motherboard is an Asus P5E with X38 chipset.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:05:00 - [17] pc dust free, 3 case fans and a cpu fan, all working. So I am sat here with no gaming machine and no money to buy a new one because I installed incarna.. I play Arma 2, eve online(two clients) full settings with no problem, but incarna fried my pc. I have petitioned
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:12:00 - [18] Edited by: Kagumichan on 22/06/2011 09:15:20 Edited by: Kagumichan on 22/06/2011 09:14:44 I have a similar temperature problem but not with my GPU. When in station my GPU sits around a steady 60 degrees, but my core temperature goes through the roof! I found turning the graphics down a teenie tad (changing character textures from high to med) stopped it over-heating to the point of crashing, but it does seem hard to believe that the station enviroments require such an immense amount of power that it easily cooks quad cores and modern graphics cards. Just attacked my computers guts with a vacuum cleaner and already I've noticed the temperature is lower than it normally is, so it's worth giving it a go if your computer has been holed up for some time without feeling the magic of vacuum maintenance \o/ Oh, and to those running multiple clients, it was posted in a dev blog not long ago that trying to run the station enviroments on more than one client has shown a radical increase in processer and graphical requirements to the point where most computers simply aren't able to do it. Until they do something to reduce the computer requirements for Incarna the only solutions really are to knock both of your clients graphics down to a minimum if you HAVE to multi-box, or only run one at a time.
Hogan Miner	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:24:00 - [19] CCP have a defenitly sometzhing wrong beocse CPU ussage goes on 85% for everyone i know we all have AMD procesors mo matter how many core all ppl have around 75-90% ussage of CPU in station. when undock 30% max :) ITS definetly not normal :)
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Hogan Miner CCP have a defenitly sometzhing wrong beocse CPU ussage goes on 85% for everyone i know we all have AMD procesors mo matter how many core all ppl have around 75-90% ussage of CPU in station. when undock 30% max :) ITS definetly not normal :) Oddly I don't have that problem, well... kind of. I find in stations my cpu usage goes to 75-90% but only on ONE core, not all 4, more strange, it's core 2 that it's doing it too, completely ignoring core 1. I did read something in one of the dev blogs about how they were changing stackless python to eliminate the 'gil', but it was all gobbledee**** to me (I learned c++, so python makes about as much sense as french), however I did notice in the blog the dev was talking about utilising cpu's, notable multiple cpu's, to try and steady the clients usage. Kinda seems like that's backfired...

caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:35:00 - [21] I am waiting for a reply to my petition...... My pc went very very hot, and then died, and regardless what anyone has to say here Incarna was the cause. Never had a temperature issue with any other game, but 30 mins with incarna killed mine. I am staying calm atm, but I dont ave enough money to buy a new pc, I am not happy.
Demy Slade	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:56:00 - [22] I got an almost similar configuaration. Incarna constantly overloads the GPU. And after a few applications in the Char Editor the PC dies with a Blue Screen. STOP: 0x100000EA THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER_M ... And thats with actual drivers.
Hogan Miner	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:04:00 - [23] Hmm all core same here i had only 2 but still its qouite a lot it goes down in part CQ with billboar about 50%-60% ussage in part CQ where is ship hangar or when you face that direction you forehead :) it goes up to 70-85% its strange .. but still work good i have to idle with my acc in space not in station and its ok i can have stil lall three runinng with minimal problems ..
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:04:00 - [24] strange how it happens to 2 similar set ups, must attract the exact same amount of dust for them to overheat as well !
Quri Gallente Bright Side Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:08:00 - [25] I have exactly the same problem: my PC is getting fried by CQ... You ppl talking about disabling CQ, how to do it?
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Quri I have exactly the same problem: my PC is getting fried by CQ... You ppl talking about disabling CQ, how to do it? press esc and disable " station enviroment " hope no one else suffers my fate
Darwin Edison	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:26:00 - [27] Originally by: caldar ian Originally by: Quri I have exactly the same problem: my PC is getting fried by CQ... You ppl talking about disabling CQ, how to do it? press esc and disable " station enviroment " hope no one else suffers my fate Hit ESC to bring up the settings window. Under video settings on the right hand side go to Graphic Content Settings and uncheck Load Station Environment.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:58:00 - [28] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 22/06/2011 11:58:21 meh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:07:00 - [29] reading the threads on this forum about pilots having overheating problems, and the trolls and misery monkeys say "my system has no problem, im a elite pc user your system suck blah blah" most of us are using machines that are well within the minimum spec for eve online, it dosnt matter if your machine is super-duper or not, if it meets the minimum spec for the game we should not have to worry about it frying our hardware.
Kane VanKeio	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:06:00 - [30] I run a highend i7 pc. As soon as I launch Eve, I hear my fans go nuts. Before patch I could run 3-4clients and everything was fine, but now something is not right. Thought I got some virus first that ate memory, but now I start believing that this latest patch is ****ed up. I tried AoC at launch and I remember their memory leak problem that made clients crash and freezelag like hell. I am almost 100% sure CCP has some issue like that now, else people would not gotten this problem, even if they have an old or new pc.

Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Kane VanKeio I run a highend i7 pc. As soon as I launch Eve, I hear my fans go nuts. Before patch I could run 3-4clients and everything was fine, but now something is not right. Thought I got some virus first that ate memory, but now I start believing that this latest patch is ****ed up. I tried AoC at launch and I remember their memory leak problem that made clients crash and freezelag like hell. I am almost 100% sure CCP has some issue like that now, else people would not gotten this problem, even if they have an old or new pc. EVE has had problems with memory leaks before, during Dominion i think it was. If your computer didn't have uber super duper processing power undocking from stations was a nightmare, as was warping, using jump-gates, and pretty much everything. The short-term solution was: turn down your graphics The long term solution was: next patch fixed it \o/ If this is a memory leak, the same solutions should apply. ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Urethra Infection Broski Federation Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:18:00 - [32] Dear CCCP, I am petitioning you because BLOOHOOHOO I am dumb and I use nearly minimum spec to run your lovely new graphix engine. Running it on ultra maximum caused it to break, not my own negligence or ignorance to the laws of thermodynamics and I haven't cleaned it for 39485 years because I am fat.
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Urethra Infection Dear CCCP, I am petitioning you because BLOOHOOHOO I am dumb and I use nearly minimum spec to run your lovely new graphix engine. Running it on ultra maximum caused it to break, not my own negligence or ignorance to the laws of thermodynamics and I haven't cleaned it for 39485 years because I am fat. You're petitioning to a corporation from Pandemic Legion? Can't imagine they'd do much. Oh, maybe they would... SUPERCAPS! ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:32:00 - [34] again my pc was over the minimum spec yet it fried it. Motherboard: CPU Type DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2, 3000 MHz (15 x 200) 6000+ NF520T ASUS Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce 6100-4xx, AMD Hammer Video Adapter ATI Radeon hd5700 4gb RAM windows 7 x64 so you can try to make fun as much as you like, the fact is Incarna killed my machine Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:36:00 - [35] Maybe we can get to the bottom of the problem... How high did you have the graphics set? How long did you spend wandering around in the captain's quarters? Is your computer on a carpeted floor, against a wall, inside an enclosed space, near a t.v, monitor, radiator or other heat source? How many clients were you running at the time? How long had your computer been on before loading Incarna? Does your computer have the necessary power supply to handle utilising it's maximum output for prolonged periods of stress on the hardware? With these answered we may be able to work out what happened. ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:45:00 - [36] Originally by: Kagumichan Edited by: Kagumichan on 22/06/2011 13:38:12 Maybe we can get to the bottom of the problem... How high did you have the graphics set? How long did you spend wandering around in the captain's quarters? Is your computer on a carpeted floor, against a wall, inside an enclosed space, near a t.v, monitor, radiator or other heat source? How many clients were you running at the time? How long had your computer been on before loading Incarna? Does your computer have the necessary power supply to handle utilising it's maximum output for prolonged periods of stress on the hardware? Does all of your RAM operate at the same speed and what version of RAM is it? (e.g/ DDR2, DDR3 etc.) With these answered we may be able to work out what happened. 1. Ati graphics always set to performance 2. 30 mins 3. pc on a desk with plenty of room around for air flow 4. 2 clients 5. all day, my pc is never off, it dosnt need to be (monitor goes into standby after 15 mins) 6. yes 750w psu 7. 4x 1gb crucial ddr2 ..... Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Kahndrian Vochre	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:55:00 - [37] Although my system hasn't gotten to the 'blow up' stage yet is is running hot enough to fry an egg on the CPU. I can run any current Gen game on max settings at about 70C-75C... Incarna pushes this to almost 90C!(Max rating for my CPU). I've ran my system many times in the past at max load without any heat issues(Hottest it's gotten is around 80C at max load). Something is definitely amiss with this update.
Quri Gallente Bright Side Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:14:00 - [38] Originally by: caldar ian press esc and disable " station enviroment " Saved my day, thx!
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:18:00 - [39] Next couple of questions: What is the average temperature ratio of your computer whilst it was running on idle? What was the usual cpu and temperature when running 2 eve clients in the past? Does all your RAM run at the same mhz or are they different? The reason I emphasise on the RAM is because I blew out a motherboard and processer, along with 3gb of RAM from running EVE in the past because it was 1 stick of 1gb DDR2 running at 400 mhz and 1 stick of 2gb DDR2 running at 800mhz, because of fluctuation in the RAM speed with the load the whole thing fried as it was trying to operate things at speeds that one RAM stick couldn't handle. ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Happy squid	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:25:00 - [40] It seems to be a lot of people are having issues with their PC's getting well overheated and then imploding.. I don't know why but i ain't got this issue at all, the only problem i got is the fact that my CPU gets cranked up like hell when im using the CQ, but my GPU stays the same o_o

Stargate CloneBay	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:26:00 - [41] I, also have a relatively new cpu build. This is a re-post from a different thread, figured i would put it in the right place. i7 950 3.07 GeForce 460 1 GB 8 GB DDR3 1600 RAM Win 7 64bit SSD I can run every other game at top graphics and not produce the amount heat that incarna gives off on only a single instance of the CQ. Now, im not a graphic designer/coder but i have seen instances where the textures(or UI) get constantly redrawn causing huge amounts of heat to be produced by a GPU. The concern about walking away from my computer while docked in a station, thus causing my GPU to run very hot for extended periods of time, is not something i am very amused by. The ΔT from 1 client to 2 clients is actually marginal, though. DXDiags / logserver files available if they would help.
Illadelph Justice SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:33:00 - [42] Crossposting this from another thread because I want to be part of the threadnaught. For real. I have a cooled 8800gt that has never once overheated until last night. Got two BSOD's before stripping out some noncritical hardware and rearranging my PC's innards AND installing another fan under the gfx card. That was all good, but I still have to keep the side panel open to keep the card cool enough. SH*T IS CRAZY ---
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:36:00 - [43] I'm also suffering from a heavy temperature problem which is why I'm hoping we can all try and work it out. The problem I'm having though isn't with the GPU, it's the CPU, my computer core is designed to shut off at 100 degrees and it does exactly that if i leave the character detail graphics on high and leave CQ on for 10-15 minutes. However turning the detail to med dropped it down to around 85-90 degrees which is damned hot, but not enough to push it into crashing, still, i wouldn't particularly like to leave it like that for a long time. Eve has had this problem before with Dominion though because of texture rendering, but back then it was on spaceships, in space. The problem never arose whilst in a station looking at the ship. Until we work out a long-term solution though, I think the safest thing to do would be to either uncheck the 'load station interior' box in the graphics menu, or turn all character rendering graphics options to the lowest possible. These graphics options are: Shadow Detail - Disabled Physically Simulated Cloth And Hair - Unchecked Low Quality Characters - Checked Character Detail - Low Station Rendering - Low Once those changes have been selected, exit the menu and then restart your client, upon loading it back up again you may see a significant improvement in computer processing, and a significant drop in GPU/CPU temperature (though at the same time, it'll look pretty gnarly to look at). Another possible eventuality, although unlikely, could simply be that the Carbon render system is simply too advanced for current day home computers to utilise efficiently. Seeing as CCP must have quite amazing computers in order to generate the engine in the first place, it would have to be tested on lower-end computers of many different varieties in order to to come to a final evaluation of how it would react to general public use. Given how many varieties of home computer builds that are available to the general public, issues are almost guaranteed to arise with some people. However, THIS many people does seem a little too suspicious for it to simply be a minority problem with certain hardware. ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Kagumichan Next couple of questions: What is the average temperature ratio of your computer whilst it was running on idle? What was the usual cpu and temperature when running 2 eve clients in the past? Does all your RAM run at the same mhz or are they different? The reason I emphasise on the RAM is because I blew out a motherboard and processer, along with 3gb of RAM from running EVE in the past because it was 1 stick of 1gb DDR2 running at 400 mhz and 1 stick of 2gb DDR2 running at 800mhz, because of fluctuation in the RAM speed with the load the whole thing fried as it was trying to operate things at speeds that one RAM stick couldn't handle. Thanks for trying to help, I do not remember the temps of my cores off the top of my head, they were never high even under load. All of my RAM ran at the same speed and was the same make (ie crucial ram). I do have everest logs on my hdd but that is no good while the motherboard and cpu wont work Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:44:00 - [45] Originally by: caldar ian Originally by: Kagumichan Next couple of questions: What is the average temperature ratio of your computer whilst it was running on idle? What was the usual cpu and temperature when running 2 eve clients in the past? Does all your RAM run at the same mhz or are they different? The reason I emphasise on the RAM is because I blew out a motherboard and processer, along with 3gb of RAM from running EVE in the past because it was 1 stick of 1gb DDR2 running at 400 mhz and 1 stick of 2gb DDR2 running at 800mhz, because of fluctuation in the RAM speed with the load the whole thing fried as it was trying to operate things at speeds that one RAM stick couldn't handle. Thanks for trying to help, I do not remember the temps of my cores off the top of my head, they were never high even under load. All of my RAM ran at the same speed and was the same make (ie crucial ram). I do have everest logs on my hdd but that is no good while the motherboard and cpu wont work The only thing I can think of that could have caused the issue would be that your power supply was pushed too far trying to operate your entire motherboard, sound, graphics, harddrive and RAM all at once at maximum power output from all of them (something we all seem to be encountering), the result would probably be a power surge sent through your computer shorting out most if not all of the things that it was running at the time. At the moment it seems like the most logical answer. ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
IGNATIUS HOOD	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:47:00 - [46] I really hope they don't take away the ability to disable CQ/WIS because IMO its utterly useless and it looks like crap on my laptop... It kinda works, but not very well and everything is grainy and the animations for avvy movement are stilted jittery, non responsive and bad... It needs to be optimized and cleaned up alot... This is really disappointing becuase its becoming a focus of alot of angst and frustration and adds pretty much nothing to the game... CCP, Please don't force us to use this... Please... It sucks... I'm sure it has its place for some users, but most of us seem to not appreciate the effort. Let us contineu to ignore it...
Debbie DoesDallas	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:51:00 - [47] Kagu is dead on and the easiest way to work around what is likely some memory leaks in the CQ is to disable station loading in your graphics menu. See how things run. If its still running hot, hitching or crashing, turn down graphics settings to the minimum level. CCP will get this stuff fixed but trolling through all that new code will take a bit of time.
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:55:00 - [48] Edited by: Kagumichan on 22/06/2011 14:56:11 Originally by: IGNATIUS HOOD I really hope they don't take away the ability to disable CQ/WIS because IMO its utterly useless and it looks like crap on my laptop... It kinda works, but not very well and everything is grainy and the animations for avvy movement are stilted jittery, non responsive and bad... It needs to be optimized and cleaned up alot... This is really disappointing becuase its becoming a focus of alot of angst and frustration and adds pretty much nothing to the game... CCP, Please don't force us to use this... Please... It sucks... I'm sure it has its place for some users, but most of us seem to not appreciate the effort. Let us contineu to ignore it... A thought did pop into my head whilst dilligently speeding into town to fetch my next couple of days supply of energy drink, and it was regarding the amount of people who have been posting issues with their laptops. Somehow I'd completely forgotten beforehand, but I remembered, laptops were never really invented for heavy gaming use, they were designed to be a sort of 'portable office' so that people could do their work on the go. Though there are some laptops designed for gaming, such as Alienware ones (like the one shown by CCP Soundwave during AT9), most were never really designed to give a heavy output of graphics and fast processing. The case that computers are having big problems with Incarna would only double the chance of the issue coming up on a laptop, as it's parts are smaller, more fragile, and more susceptible to heat (I used to play Warcraft through a laptop on my lap and got burn marks from it once... worked great as an iron though to get rid of those unsightly creases). If anyone here does have a laptop that is able to run Incarna at an acceptable level without the likelihood of it imploding or melting into moon goo, could you please let us know what your system stats are so we can try to work out an average idea of what kind of requirements a laptop needs to run Incarna? ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Illadelph Justice SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:58:00 - [49] Eve has always been CPU heavy and this discussion now has me wondering if it was my cpu and not my gpu that was overheating like that. Will investigate further ---
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:02:00 - [50] GPU = Graphical Processing Unit CPU = Central Processing Unit If a graphics card has enough RAM built into it it will attempt to do all the graphical rendering itself whilst the computer does the processing and all the other cool stuff. If the graphics card does not have the required RAM, or that RAM is already being used by something else, the computer will do it instead. Well, I 'think' that's how it works anyways. If it is, it answers why some of us have GPU problems, and others have CPU problems. ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:34:00 - [51] I got a fairly fast computer with a GTX 570. Whenever I dock I hear my fans fire up like crazy. Undock and they slow down again. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:51:00 - [52] Edited by: caldar ian on 22/06/2011 15:56:34 I am hoping my card is ok, for when I can afford to replace my cpu and motherboard my cpu and motherboard are both dead, I am still waiting for a reply to my petition, or indeed this thread, but I do understand they will be busy. before my pc went bang, i was enjoying the station lol, ironic really as I didnt think I would be. Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:52:00 - [53] Until an official answer is given the only current possibility I can think of, looking at all the different issues that all happen within the CQ, is that the Carbon rendering engine that creates your character and the Captain's Quarters, as well as the character customiser, either has a serious memory leak problem, or the Carbon engine itself is simply too great a load on computers that aren't top-of-the-range up-to-date super computers. From what it appears Carbon requires a LOT of RAM to operate, and by a lot I'm talking crazy amounts. I'm using a 2gb DDR2 RAM stick but my VRAM, which is kind of like 'fake' RAM on your harddrive, is set to 50gb, essentially allowing the game to put it's entirity into my computers random access memory and causing it not to work so hard, which is why it's burning, but it's not melting. Another post I saw from another thread had 6gb RAM and wasn't experiencing huge problems except from more processer usage. Others with 4gb (or maybe more, or less) may not have a huge amount of VRAM on their system and so Carbon is simply pushing the computer to it's brink, then either making it crash, or turning it into bacon. However another thing I noticed is people running Windows 7 seem to be experiencing issues more frequently than those running Windows XP, though XP users are also getting problems, and so far I haven't seen anything from anyone using Windows Vista (could it be that windows vista is actually GOOD at doing something that other windows aren't? ). Pondering on the inner workings of Carbon, a possibility in the way it operates could be that every single frame it renders is then processed and then put through some kind of post-process to give it it's huge amount of detail, before being shown on the screen, this entire process from start to finish would be done within an eye-blink, as it would be doing this 30 times every second in order to create a standard frame-rate. Alternatively it could be that Carbon uses a lot of layer-upon-layer texturing to give it's detail, as this would enable it to seperately shade each texture to make shadows and lights look more realistic, a character could have 100 layers on the face alone just to give a smooth and believable shadow effect along with the small knicks and creases on the characters facial structure. A believable theory given how players were able to construct character faces in whatever way they chose, since the faces alone were created using millions of polygons. This would generate a lot of processing requirement which would push a computer VERY hard to keep up with how much work it'd have to do to make the frame-rate operate at a usable speed. ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:38:00 - [54] After talking with a friend of mine who has an extremely powerfull gaming pc, it's fairly safe to deduce that the ultimate problem is indeed with hardware and/or RAM. So far he hasn't encountered any problems with Incarna at all, not surprising since his computer specs are: Windows 7 x64 Intel Quad Core 2.8 ghz Geforce 460gtx 8gb DDR3 RAM 800w Power Supply (As far as I can remember them anyhow) 8gb of quick RAM would probably more than compensate for the load Incarna puts on a computer. If this is indeed the case then I can offer this possible solution (but only for Windows XP as I don't know the desktop of Windows 7): Go to 'Start > Control Panel > System > Advanced Tab > Click 'Settings' in the Performance area > Advanced Tab > Click Change in the Virtual Memory area > Click on the drive you have windows installed on (Your system drive, usually C:) > Click the Custom Size Button > Type '4094' into the Initial Size (MB) box > Type '10000' in the Maximum Size (MB) box > Click 'Set' > Click ok untill you get back to your desktop > Restart your computer. Once your computer has rebooted, your computer will automatically use from 4gb to (almost) 10gb of your system drives harddrive space as if it were RAM, allowing Incarna to process information more adequately and thus, decrease hardware stress and high temperatures. ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:42:00 - [55] Even when a software like the EVE client uses the maximum processing power your CPU and GPU provides, then there is still a safety margin that should stop the system from overheating. Except of course the safety margin was removed by overclocking the system, or some simple hardware failures like dust on your graphic card or your fan. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
soaponacola	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:44:00 - [56] Edited by: soaponacola on 22/06/2011 16:46:12 ok to add to this thread moving from this one http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534046&page=1 There has got to be something else going on. Ive been messing around most of today to see what works best. Im running Dual core running at 2.6 Ati 5870 1 gig of ram 4 gig Crucial RAM Nvidia 680sli Win 7 pro 64 Ram usage is at a pretty constand 1gig processor is running at 75-85% load GPU is running at 30% load CPU temp 52c GPU temp 54c --------- I have since added a 10" case fan which has dropped the CPU temp down to 43" meaning probably a general airflow issue. The GPU temp I resolved by going into CCC and overriding the fan speed and putting it at 50%. that has brought it down to 44c In station it runs at 35-45 FPS. Turning off the sound in game for some reason gained another 10FPS I have tried all graphics settings including OC the gfx card however the load on the card NEVER goes above 30-35%. I cant work out for the life of my why the CPU is being taxed as much as it is and yet there is hardly any load on the GFX card
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:54:00 - [57] I'm not too sure, I just played around with the solution I posted above and have now dropped my cores average temperature to 60 degrees instead of the 90 degrees it was pushing before, the CPU is still being taxed but isn't causing huge temperature problems. There could be some other issue, but at the moment I'm fairly convinced it has something to do with processing and RAM. Also yes lots of hardware and software has some kind of safety margin to prevent overheat, however for example, some third party companies remove these safety margins when modifying original products to sell in order to get more power out of them (companies such as Zotac, who modify Nvidia Geforce cards to make them 'better'). It's nowadays quite hard to find an original Nvidia or ATI card, most of them are modified 3rd party ones. ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
LoneEcho Gallente Paragon Fury	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:39:00 - [58] Edited by: LoneEcho on 22/06/2011 17:39:50 I too am having my GPU go on fire. The second I go in CQ, my GPU jumps to 100% usage and my temp on GPU hits 99C. I had to optimize for performance and disable CQ to be able to be docked without having my GPU sound like a jet plane taking off i7 950 evga 460gtx EE evga x58 FTW3 mobo 6GB 1600 ram.. Soon to be 12GB. 850watt PSU. 120mm fan on the side, 2 other which I believe are 80mm on the back and 1 on the top of my pc. Lots of airflow.
Kagumichan Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:50:00 - [59] Originally by: LoneEcho Edited by: LoneEcho on 22/06/2011 17:39:50 I too am having my GPU go on fire. The second I go in CQ, my GPU jumps to 100% usage and my temp on GPU hits 99C. I had to optimize for performance and disable CQ to be able to be docked without having my GPU sound like a jet plane taking off i7 950 evga 460gtx EE evga x58 FTW3 mobo 6GB 1600 ram.. Soon to be 12GB. 850watt PSU. 120mm fan on the side, 2 other which I believe are 80mm on the back and 1 on the top of my pc. Lots of airflow. Try clearing your computer case and processer fan/heatsink of any dust, if that does not work, try the possible solution mentioned earlier in the thread. ------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Jonaaz Dsz Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:02:00 - [60] Yeah, I'm looking at something in the line of OP. 2 Accounts docked and I'm doing some 1-5 FPS, undock 1 and I go to about 15-20 FPS. I wouldn't dare logging on the 3rd account. There is definitely room for improvement. "magnibit lenibit ulteribit"

Kougy	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:39:00 - [61] Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19 I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs. This is why they are a favorite of overclockers, it allows for a wide range of overclocking capabilities, but it also is very unforgiving if you do something wrong. I'm not saying it's your fault, but realize that EvE Incarna employs brand new technology with real-time ray traces and light reflective surfaces (radiosity), developed in concert with MIT. While it might look SIMILAR to modern games, it isn't in the fact that textures aren't pre-baked (to seem like they have shadow etc). They're all shaded real time. This is likely the reason you blew your processor, settings were too high and poof. For your NEXT processor and motherboard, consider an Asus x58 chipset with a intel i7 950, best bang for the buck. For cooling, invest in a Corsair H70, it is a maintenance-free localized water cooling system, and it works WONDERFULLY!!! (Localized means that it only cools the CPU, requires no change of fluid or filters, installs like a regular CPU cooler). The only overheating you will have to be concerned with is your video cards, but that's not even too much of a problem.
Rebel Boss	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:49:00 - [62] Originally by: Rebel Boss my sys is burned by the smell, phenom9500ati all asus, blewup in incarna i am still investigating it may be a software bug that heat the cpu and thos that dont have good cooling may get cooked... ------------------------- First of all i cannot find my other post of the same issue... I know i am such a noob... New on this forums... Now lets talk some serious bussines... As i wrote in the other post like in this one i finaly investigated the problem with my PC, the truth is my powersource had a meltdown, reasons? well i found all kind of species in my pc and they were not amar, caldari, jove... All kind of new alien life forms were in my system :D, all temps cpu, gpu, mb, hdds, where over 60degree celtious for more than 2 months, by my logs, and the drop that broke the camel was that my cooler of my power source was jamed :D... now i buyd a new decent source and all are back to normal like the first day... So for my was probably a coincidence like i stated :P keep up the good work and be xenofob with your system cuz if not you all will be colonized :D CYA
Tommbo	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:01:00 - [63] Originally by: Kagumichan Edited by: Kagumichan on 22/06/2011 14:56:11 If anyone here does have a laptop that is able to run Incarna at an acceptable level without the likelihood of it imploding or melting into moon goo, could you please let us know what your system stats are so we can try to work out an average idea of what kind of requirements a laptop needs to run Incarna? My portable system is a Alienware M11x Revision 2 (the budget 11" version). Runs CQ fine with most of the settings set to high (45-60 fps). It runs hot especially if there isn't adequate airflow to the vents under the laptop (I would recommend elevating the laptop a bit). Dell periodically runs specials on these machines that drops the price to the $800 range which is more than reasonable for a gaming laptop. Here's the general specs: i7-640UM (OC + turbo up to 2.8ghz) ~65-68C under load using intel burn test (far more intensive than the Eve client) 1366x768 screen res 8GB of RAM NVIDIA GeForce GT 335M
Elezondo	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:08:00 - [64] Originally by: Kougy Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19 I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs. Thats a complete load of BS. Auto shutdown is a motherboard feature, not a CPU feature.
Frisian Outlaw	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:20:00 - [65] When will CCP gonna give a comment on this post??
Tommbo	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Kougy Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19 I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs. This is why they are a favorite of overclockers, it allows for a wide range of overclocking capabilities, but it also is very unforgiving if you do something wrong. I'm not saying it's your fault, but realize that EvE Incarna employs brand new technology with real-time ray traces and light reflective surfaces (radiosity), developed in concert with MIT. While it might look SIMILAR to modern games, it isn't in the fact that textures aren't pre-baked (to seem like they have shadow etc). They're all shaded real time. This is likely the reason you blew your processor, settings were too high and poof. For your NEXT processor and motherboard, consider an Asus x58 chipset with a intel i7 950, best bang for the buck. For cooling, invest in a Corsair H70, it is a maintenance-free localized water cooling system, and it works WONDERFULLY!!! (Localized means that it only cools the CPU, requires no change of fluid or filters, installs like a regular CPU cooler). The only overheating you will have to be concerned with is your video cards, but that's not even too much of a problem. This is fraught with misinformation. There is a very active overclocking community for both Intel and AMD based systems. Chips from either maker can easily fry if someone doesn't do their homework ahead of time, otherwise overclocking for either maker is relatively safe and trouble-free. Most of the load introduced in Incarna is placed on the GPU, and no system set-up correctly with adequate cooling will "blow" even when run at max load. That said, it could have been old/damaged components which were stressed beyond their limits. The x58 based boards/processors are overkill for Eve. If you go the Intel route, the LGA 1156 or 1155 socket motherboards with a quad core i5 CPU is going to give you the biggest bang for your buck. The hyperthreading offered on the i7-950 is not used in Eve and the turbo boost settings are not as aggressive as the new Sandybridge i5's which does make a significant impact in games. The new Corsair H60 is a better deal as well and operates quieter than its predecessors. A decent air cooler can do the job just as well, especially if the CPU is not overclocked. FYI - water cooling does not require any special fluid just basic distilled water, doesn't require filters, and does not require fluid to be changed except if you add/remove components.
Kougy	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:23:00 - [67] Originally by: Elezondo Originally by: Kougy Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19 I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs. Thats a complete load of BS. Auto shutdown is a motherboard feature, not a CPU feature. Correct, I think I meant to say thermal protection built into the processor, there was a time when AMD chips didn't throttle when they got too hot, where as Intel chips do, correct me if I'm wrong. I think my information is a bit dated. I still have to assume the CPU overheated though and the computer didn't shut down.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:24:00 - [68] Well I didnt get any warning it went poof and off lol thermal paste completely burned away, dead. I have ordered a replacement, something i can not afford to do really but can not bare to be without my pc. this is all i can afford ú239.98 inc VAT. Bundle Specification - CPU: Intel Core i3 550 3.20GHz @ 4.00GHz - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard - RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel - Cooler: Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev2 CPU cooler I hope my psu and ATI HD5700 are ok otherwise I am screwed. Still waiting for ccp to reply to my petition. --------------------------------- Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Darwin Edison	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:24:00 - [69] Originally by: Elezondo Originally by: Kougy Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19 I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs. Thats a complete load of BS. Auto shutdown is a motherboard feature, not a CPU feature. Agreed. My computer begins throttling the CPU at 70c and there's a shutdown point as well but I'm not going to look it up right now. It's a feature of the MB BIOS, not the CPU itself. Interestingly, since last night things have changed for me. I don't know if it was a stealth fix in today's patch or if the computer fairy paid me a visit. This afternoon, I ran two instances of the game with Incarna active (staying in station) for over an hour and never got over 55c. Compared to yesterdays 64/65c, that's quite a difference (and the difference between the safe operating temp for my CPU and bordering on a bad situation). Lots of games get my computer to 55. I haven't had the GPU or FPS issues that a lot of players are complaining of. So, I'm back in business...and can even keep my spiffy albeit useless Captain's Quarters. Just for the sake of providing a bit more info in case anyone really is trying to figure out what's going on, my CPU utilization is in the same ballpark as it was last night, bouncing between high forties and high seventies. My GPU utilization is around eighty percent, and memory usage (with 4mb) is around eighty percent as well.
Tommbo	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:30:00 - [70] Originally by: caldar ian Well I didnt get any warning it went poof and off lol thermal paste completely burned away, dead. I have ordered a replacement, something i can not afford to do really but can not bare to be without my pc. this is all i can afford ú239.98 inc VAT. Bundle Specification - CPU: Intel Core i3 550 3.20GHz @ 4.00GHz - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard - RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel - Cooler: Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev2 CPU cooler I hope my psu and ATI HD5700 are ok otherwise I am screwed. Still waiting for ccp to reply to my petition. What brand of PSU are you using? I would highly recommend getting it tested, as faulty PSUs are one of the biggest killers for systems. The rest of the components look good, although a quad is a pretty decent investment these days since many newer games/programs now support them.

Kougy	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:40:00 - [71] Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 19:41:47 Originally by: Tommbo Originally by: Kougy Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19 I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs. This is why they are a favorite of overclockers, it allows for a wide range of overclocking capabilities, but it also is very unforgiving if you do something wrong. I'm not saying it's your fault, but realize that EvE Incarna employs brand new technology with real-time ray traces and light reflective surfaces (radiosity), developed in concert with MIT. While it might look SIMILAR to modern games, it isn't in the fact that textures aren't pre-baked (to seem like they have shadow etc). They're all shaded real time. This is likely the reason you blew your processor, settings were too high and poof. For your NEXT processor and motherboard, consider an Asus x58 chipset with a intel i7 950, best bang for the buck. For cooling, invest in a Corsair H70, it is a maintenance-free localized water cooling system, and it works WONDERFULLY!!! (Localized means that it only cools the CPU, requires no change of fluid or filters, installs like a regular CPU cooler). The only overheating you will have to be concerned with is your video cards, but that's not even too much of a problem. This is fraught with misinformation. There is a very active overclocking community for both Intel and AMD based systems. Chips from either maker can easily fry if someone doesn't do their homework ahead of time, otherwise overclocking for either maker is relatively safe and trouble-free. Most of the load introduced in Incarna is placed on the GPU, and no system set-up correctly with adequate cooling will "blow" even when run at max load. That said, it could have been old/damaged components which were stressed beyond their limits. The x58 based boards/processors are overkill for Eve. If you go the Intel route, the LGA 1156 or 1155 socket motherboards with a quad core i5 CPU is going to give you the biggest bang for your buck. The hyperthreading offered on the i7-950 is not used in Eve and the turbo boost settings are not as aggressive as the new Sandybridge i5's which does make a significant impact in games. The new Corsair H60 is a better deal as well and operates quieter than its predecessors. A decent air cooler can do the job just as well, especially if the CPU is not overclocked. FYI - water cooling does not require any special fluid just basic distilled water, doesn't require filters, and does not require fluid to be changed except if you add/remove components. I guess I was misinformed, apologies. I'm not sure what you were implying with your second paragraph, I wasn't promoting or discrediting either brand. The x58 aren't that expensive anymore, and I doubt that this individual seeks to play ONLY eve. The i7 950 is cheaper than the i5 2600k, but the i5 seems to perform better when overclocked - so I agree with your statement. If he does plan on overclocking, then an H50, H60, or H70 would all be fine. While I might be generally misinformed about some things, I do know that it is suggested that you change your water out every 6 months, it is also "A good idea to use anti-biological additive to your coolant" which substantially prolongs the life of the fluid. Some systems do use filters. So it is incorrect to say that water cooling systems use "Just distilled water, don't need to change it ever." The Corsair H series localized water cooling units don't require any knowledge of water cooling systems, just a rudimentary understanding of how to install the damn thing.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:06:00 - [72] Its a CIT (made in china) High efficiency 750W PSU 12cm silent cooling fan Dual 12v rails AC INPUT: 230VAC 10A 50-60Hz Model 750UB DC Output Max +3.3V +5V +12V1 +12V2 -12V +5VSB 28A 30A 20A 20A 0.3A 2.5A 750 W had good reviews and was in my budget at the time, had it in my system for two years with no problem. I have also tried another PSU with my motherboard to check it wasn't the PSU at fault. Board lights come on and then its dead, no fans spin, no post, nothing --------------------------------- Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
AthlonJedi Gallente RazorBlade Smile Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:51:00 - [73] hmm i must be a lucky one, my quadcore x64 doesnt even flinch running incarna, AMD Phenom x4 on a gigabyte board and radeon 5770 ( also doesnt have any issues )everything in my system runs within normal temps and frame rates even in fullscreen eyefinity.
Gaeid Modiso The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:28:00 - [74] Edited by: Gaeid Modiso on 22/06/2011 21:35:28 Edited by: Gaeid Modiso on 22/06/2011 21:29:37 Originally by: Darwin Edison There definitely seems to be something going on with AMD processors. Not just AMD, my Intel i7 965 extreme will spike up to 70-80% usage on all 4 cores and my temps will hit 100c. Part of that problem is my liquid cooling solution isn't capable of keeping the CPU cool when all 4 cores get to that amount of usage, but then again I've never seen anything cause all 4 cores to get that high on utilization. If I turn off HDR on all 3 clients I run it gets a lot better and CPU usage goes down to 30-50% on all 4 cores, and it drops even lower if I turn off post processing. It seems like the EVE client is offloading graphics work to the CPU. My GPU will spike to 100% usage in CQ even with HDR turned off, but I use MSI Afterburner to control the fan so my GPU temp never gets above 75c. p.s. yes, I regularly clean the heat exchanger fan that my liquid cooling block uses. p.p.s for people who are getting fried components, your cooling solutions aren't working correctly. get software that monitors your temps and run it, and make adjustments as needed. I use Core Temp to monitor CPU temp and MSI Afterburner to monitor GPU temp (and control the fan). HINT: default GPU drivers are notoriously flaky when it comes to properly controlling the GPU fan, I had a lot of problems with ATI cards not ramping up the fan speed when GPU temp climbed, and this will lead to a fried GPU. =============================== Wit has truth in it; wisecracking is simply calisthenics with words. Dorothy Parker
George Holden Gallente Syndicated Systems ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:53:00 - [75] Running 2x 1920*1080 with everything on high except shadows (no point losing fps to a feature that's almost invisible to me :>). Running: Phenom X4 975 8 GB OCZ Ram Gigabyte GTX570 GLH (factory overclocked) Some Asus Mainboard GPU temp skyrockets during docking time and stops at around 80¦C with fan speed being around 70-80%. It gets quite loud due to the fact that the GLH cards cooling seems a bit undersized but it's perfectly stable for 2h+ with both clients docked and under full load. After a few hours gaming both clients eat up around 1.4gb ram which is more than pre-Incarna but still okay for me with around 4GB left. If you're having stability issues: - Open case and dust off and and be careful with the vaccuum cleaner if using any :> - Relocate your PC this is a common mistake I see especially on "special" pc desks that have some tiny compartments. Airflow inside the case alone doesn't usually do the trick if the hot air that gets exhausted gets "stuck" around your case. - Monitor temps under load, sorry it's late I'm too tired to google for the tools but you'll find them - If temps are too high and the fan's aren't speeding up try to manually force them to - If speeding up fans doesn't help turn down graphic settings one by one starting with the one's that don't impact your gameplay all too much - If turning off the "goodies" doesn't help turn off major settings like shader detail etc. - Lowering resolution helps as well - If lowering the settings alone doesn't help (eg. getting more FPS but temps are still rising) try underclocking your GPU, this will impact your fps but it might help keeping down the temperature
BOFH2	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:02:00 - [76] Running I7 920 @ 4.26ghz on Corsair H70 6gb Nvidia 460 1gb sli Antec P193 case + lots of fans Runs 1920*1080 all set to high no problems. But All 4 cores running at nearly 50%! The h70 keeps it all under 60C but system sound like it's taking off, only normally get that if I'm benching or OC testing! No surprise it's overheating poorly cooled systems. Only have this on CQ. Soon as I undock back to one core ticking over around 30%, rest mostly idle. Seems CQ is either bugged or way too advanced for today's mainstream hardware!
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:06:00 - [77] Originally by: caldar ian keep an eye on those temperatures That's a very good tip for EVE in general. Couple of years ago I had a $500+ ATI card that played the then fairly demanding Far Cry, and other similar games, just fine on max settings. I log on EVE and the card melted.. memory leaks. Since then I kept to $50-150 Nvidia cards and kept a close eye on the temperature. Had an issue with a second PC, also ATI-card, also memory leak. Adjusted gfx settings and avoided longer spells on that particular hardware. EVE has always been a deathtrap for hardware. Only game that had these major leaks for me, but several occations it's been quite severe. -
LoneEcho Gallente Paragon Fury	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [78] Originally by: Kagumichan Originally by: LoneEcho Edited by: LoneEcho on 22/06/2011 17:39:50 I too am having my GPU go on fire. The second I go in CQ, my GPU jumps to 100% usage and my temp on GPU hits 99C. I had to optimize for performance and disable CQ to be able to be docked without having my GPU sound like a jet plane taking off i7 950 evga 460gtx EE evga x58 FTW3 mobo 6GB 1600 ram.. Soon to be 12GB. 850watt PSU. 120mm fan on the side, 2 other which I believe are 80mm on the back and 1 on the top of my pc. Lots of airflow. Try clearing your computer case and processer fan/heatsink of any dust, if that does not work, try the possible solution mentioned earlier in the thread. Case is can aired often. I also have a fan in the front. As for the virtual memory. My hardware should be more then enough to handle any game in high settings. I really like the CQ but too bad I can't have it on or my pc hits 99C unless I optimize for performance which puts it to around 80C but that's still crazy.
Digital Messiah Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [79] Originally by: Billy Danacreon Dont blame the game for your hardware issues. Worst case scenario : the game will use 100% of both your GPU and CPU, and even that should not cause any system failure. True, though my runs under 100% load with graphics all the way up, or all the way down. I can't find the source of why my CPU is getting hit so hard. While my graphics card is constantly at 0% load. It's like it is transferring the work load to my CPU. Everywhere else seems fine. So I think there is something in the Captains quarters that is stressing the CPU mainly. Also clean our your damned computer! It is extremely easy to do. And you won't have to buy new crap when you fry your old stuff. To monitor temperatures use speedfan or pc wizard. Both have minimize settings so you can view temps while using fixed window. I never let my gpu get over 70c or processor over 50c. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Azureblaze Vanedal	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:16:00 - [80] Hmm, seems Eve is actually using multiple cores when in CQ, I'm thinking some systems just can't handle this. I've read some people are getting really high GPU usage as well, not sure what that's about. My ATI 5850 GPU doesn't go above 20% usage in CQ. The only thing I've noticed is that EVE is actually using all my physical CPU cores, most games don't do that. When one component heats up the others do in tandem, using more cores = more heat. A combination of everything heating up without enough airflow is never good. I'm thinking this issue mainly is a CPU load issue that is affecting other components and frying some systems due largely to; not enough airflow. Likely, this is due to the CPU being pushed more than normal because EVE is actually using all your available cores. That, combined with not enough airflow in general and the summer heat, would be dangerous for some. Laptops simply do not have the airflow of a desktop, and can for sure get quite hot. I highly recommend cooling pads for any sort of laptop you would game on,especially with the elevated summer ambient temperatures. CCP I think could help this issue by having more CPU/GPU load balancing(primarily shifting more work to the GPU,IMO) For the person that talked about having trouble with their GPU at 80% usage, well maybe something else is going on too here, don't have an answer for that. Overall, I'd say these are stability issues of certain hardware setups. When a system is actually near full load or at it, and that is sustained, it's just like a stress test, like a benchmark to test system stability. If EVE is doing that to your computer, and you : A. Have any weak or failing components. And/or B. Don't have enough airflow for the increased load. Then, your system may very well blue screen, or even worse burn up. Good luck everyone, and if CCP can do anything for this issue, and there is indeed an issue, I'm sure they will do something about it.

Thayne en Welle	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:16:00 - [81] This may be a complete coincidence and it didn't even occur to me until I saw this thread. Yesterday I cam home from work and logged in to Incarna. I was playing for a bit, checking out CQ and suddenly BAM, PC just shuts down. Turned out my PSU was fried. When I popped the PSU out I noticed that the CPU was very hot but my graphics card was not. My PSU sits right by my CPU and the heat sink on it. I routinely play plenty of games that have high spec req's and have never had an issue. This could totally be a coincidence but it does seem a bit fishy that it happened on the first day of Incarna while in the CQ and that others are reporting similar issues. I really hope that this is coincidence as are these other reports because that type of irresponsible coding would be unforgivable.
Xort	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:00:00 - [82] Sounds like the problem people had with Star Craft 2. Force your vertical sync on in your graphics diver settings. However, a computer should be able to run at 100% use unlimitedly. If you can overheat your system your system has cooling issues. I run EVE on an old system (socket 939, XP 64), that I'v put a new video card in to do Bitcoin mining. This means my GPU runs at 100% 24/7. No issues other than my GPU is very hot all the time.
Thom Baron Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:10:00 - [83] Edited by: Thom Baron on 23/06/2011 05:12:53 newish pvp pilot looking for a corp! (9m SP)
Hogan Miner	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:20:00 - [84] I notice one thing with my friends biggest problems are in hangar room or when you face that direction CPU goes UP rapidly when in CQ... even when you look by camera that direction cpu goes rapidly up.. If you just sit on ass and look at TV its about 50 60 max 70% on my CPU athlon X2 dual core 5600+ but when go to hangar or just look this way i get my self to 70-80% sometimes 95 and qouite a lot :) My GPU ATI6850 50% activity 40% fan temp around 70 its normal for her.. :) has no problmes even with two clients at once but my CPU will be terible overloaded and its not so old ok its not the newest model but still i think it should work fine with game like eve .. :)) no problems at all in more complex 3D games CCP realy miss something when they make CQ especialy that hangar part :)) or they try to fry our athlons :) One more thing i notice
Kahndrian Vochre	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:39:00 - [85] Edited by: Kahndrian Vochre on 23/06/2011 05:40:16 Originally by: Kougy Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19 Interestingly, since last night things have changed for me. I don't know if it was a stealth fix in today's patch or if the computer fairy paid me a visit. This afternoon, I ran two instances of the game with Incarna active (staying in station) for over an hour and never got over 55c. Compared to yesterdays 64/65c, that's quite a difference (and the difference between the safe operating temp for my CPU and bordering on a bad situation). Lots of games get my computer to 55. I haven't had the GPU or FPS issues that a lot of players are complaining of. So, I'm back in business...and can even keep my spiffy albeit useless Captain's Quarters. I noticed this as well today after patching. My CPU is maxing out at about 77C-81C today when it was 87C-90C yesterday. Still hot but a lot more acceptable. My system is a Gaming Laptop so it's designed to run hot but the max is 90C. Today it's more comparable to other high system demand games like Crysis 2 or Shogun:Total War(They run at about 74C-78C). They do seem to be working on this but one room still shouldn't be running that hot. My GPU is running at about 67C(This is almost within the no load range for my system). It seems that Incarna CQ is way overtaxing CPUs while the GPU is almost dormant on some systems. This still needs work.
FlameGlow Gypsy Band	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:02:00 - [86] Edited by: FlameGlow on 23/06/2011 07:02:23 Originally by: Kahndrian Vochre Edited by: Kahndrian Vochre on 23/06/2011 05:40:16 Originally by: Kougy Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19 Interestingly, since last night things have changed for me. I don't know if it was a stealth fix in today's patch or if the computer fairy paid me a visit. This afternoon, I ran two instances of the game with Incarna active (staying in station) for over an hour and never got over 55c. Compared to yesterdays 64/65c, that's quite a difference (and the difference between the safe operating temp for my CPU and bordering on a bad situation). Lots of games get my computer to 55. I haven't had the GPU or FPS issues that a lot of players are complaining of. So, I'm back in business...and can even keep my spiffy albeit useless Captain's Quarters. I noticed this as well today after patching. My CPU is maxing out at about 77C-81C today when it was 87C-90C yesterday. Still hot but a lot more acceptable. My system is a Gaming Laptop so it's designed to run hot but the max is 90C. Today it's more comparable to other high system demand games like Crysis 2 or Shogun:Total War(They run at about 74C-78C). They do seem to be working on this but one room still shouldn't be running that hot. My GPU is running at about 67C(This is almost within the no load range for my system). It seems that Incarna CQ is way overtaxing CPUs while the GPU is almost dormant on some systems. This still needs work. That's odd, because for me GPU seems more stressed I got i7-930, 6 Gb RAM and GTX470 1Gb in aerocool case with fans on every side. Normally playing EVE GPU is about 50 degrees hot with its fan running quietly at 40% speed Entering CQ pushes it into permanent 90% load, quickly heats to 90-100, fan speeds up to noisy 100% speed, cools it down to 75-80 and then keeps stable at that temp at 80% fan speed. It also runs around 55-60 fps with all settings on high. I don't see anything in CQ to justify such load Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
Chibisuke Gallente Children of Avalon	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:47:00 - [87] Edited by: Chibisuke on 23/06/2011 07:53:56 Well I can run Benchmark3D or other stress testing utilities all day long without any problems, but as soon as I turn on incarna content (enable the "Load station environment" checkbox) the system tempreture rises enourmously. Luckily my Intel CPUs just reduce their frequency then, which just causes incarna content to drop from ~40FPS down to 3 FPS within 10 minutes. - Unplayable. I don't (yet) know what CCP is doing with their new sht but I'm expecting that this program definitly does something non-compliant to the hardware which might cause serious hardware damage. Happening on all of my PCs including the laptops - no overclocking of anything in place, no obstruction of any cooling openings or anything. -> incarna = dead In the meanwhile - until CCP fixes their sht I strongly suggest everyone to turn off incarna content, as there is a high risk of damaging your hardware. I'd strongly suggest to CCP to take down incarna content, until the cause of this issue is found, to prevent further claims for compensation. Your disclaimer in the terms of service are invalid in this case. PS: interesting to see that CCP is able to moderate this thread (by deleting "inapropriate content"), but doesn't bother to reply to it.
Shaso Yhe	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:22:00 - [88] I'm reasonably sure, at this point, that the primary culprit is the full physically simulated hair and clothing. For some reason Incarna has this checked by default, but some cards can't handle heavy physics loads, especially the ATI cards I've run into. This is also why I believe some people are having GPU problems and others are having CPU problems. Physics simulation is rendered by the GPU if it is capable of such things, but is delegated to the CPU if the GPU can't handle it. I tested this shortly, it did have an effect on my system. I have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+, 4 GB of RAM, and Two Nvidia 8800 GTS's running in SLI with PhysX enabled on the second card. Basically, with hair and clothing physics enabled my temps ran high, CPU: 58-61C, GPU1:70-71C, and GPU2:80-83C. What I found most interesting is that the card with PhysX enabled was running much higher than the others. Without physically simulated hair and clothing though my temps dropped significantly, CPU: 52-54C, GPU1:68-70C, and GPU2:70-72C More experimentation is obviously necessary. Until then, I recommend that everyone at least turn off physics simulated hair and clothing.
Rebel Boss	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:55:00 - [89] Yea eve is a deathtrap for hardware cuzu freaks play 24/h nonstop all year eve, thats why... Eventualy a pc will fail by "natural causes" and when that happen u will be in eve, cuz u play all day so... Yea eve burn your systems! :D
Irascor Luclin	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:27:00 - [90] Edited by: Irascor Luclin on 23/06/2011 12:31:43 Dude above me summed it up correctly. I see some people saying "eve blew up my computer", no that isn't the case. If you submitted a ticket stating that 'EVE' destroyed your computer you're a faceass. My system doesn't get crazy hot, reboot, lock with CQ on. Air Cooled

Kahndrian Vochre	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:22:00 - [91] Originally by: FlameGlow Edited by: FlameGlow on 23/06/2011 07:02:23 Originally by: Kahndrian Vochre Edited by: Kahndrian Vochre on 23/06/2011 05:40:16 Originally by: Kougy Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19 Interestingly, since last night things have changed for me. I don't know if it was a stealth fix in today's patch or if the computer fairy paid me a visit. This afternoon, I ran two instances of the game with Incarna active (staying in station) for over an hour and never got over 55c. Compared to yesterdays 64/65c, that's quite a difference (and the difference between the safe operating temp for my CPU and bordering on a bad situation). Lots of games get my computer to 55. I haven't had the GPU or FPS issues that a lot of players are complaining of. So, I'm back in business...and can even keep my spiffy albeit useless Captain's Quarters. I noticed this as well today after patching. My CPU is maxing out at about 77C-81C today when it was 87C-90C yesterday. Still hot but a lot more acceptable. My system is a Gaming Laptop so it's designed to run hot but the max is 90C. Today it's more comparable to other high system demand games like Crysis 2 or Shogun:Total War(They run at about 74C-78C). They do seem to be working on this but one room still shouldn't be running that hot. My GPU is running at about 67C(This is almost within the no load range for my system). It seems that Incarna CQ is way overtaxing CPUs while the GPU is almost dormant on some systems. This still needs work. That's odd, because for me GPU seems more stressed I got i7-930, 6 Gb RAM and GTX470 1Gb in aerocool case with fans on every side. Normally playing EVE GPU is about 50 degrees hot with its fan running quietly at 40% speed Entering CQ pushes it into permanent 90% load, quickly heats to 90-100, fan speeds up to noisy 100% speed, cools it down to 75-80 and then keeps stable at that temp at 80% fan speed. It also runs around 55-60 fps with all settings on high. I don't see anything in CQ to justify such load You may be on to something there as I've noticed from this thread and others the CPU heat issues seems to be happening to people with ATI cards while nVidia cards seem to be the ones having GPU heat issues. Perhaps the code is optimized(I use that term loosely) for nVidia only so ATI cards that can't cope are offloading most of the processing to the CPU? As for 'Simulated hair and cloth' I turned that off the night I was having heat issues and it didn't seem to have any immediate effect but maybe after sitting all night and starting again from a cool state it may be why I had a temp drop. I'll have to monitor it closely and maybe experiment a little.
Glyken Touchon Gallente Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:28:00 - [92] Originally by: Haraldhardrade I got a fairly fast computer with a GTX 570. Whenever I dock I hear my fans fire up like crazy. Undock and they slow down again. same here. I've got the fps capped at 60 (interval one) as a general safety measure anyway, because I can't normally tell the difference between higher rates. ______ When the forums asked CCP for transparency, we didn't mean the HUD...
Thayne en Welle	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:42:00 - [93] After doing some testing last night and monitoring heat on all components last night, there is definitely something very wrong with Incarna. The latest patch did indeed seem to alleviate CPU temps a bit (though I am still seeing higher utilization and temp. than even Crysis2 when in CQ) but I am now seeing higher temps on the GPU and near max fan speeds. To say this is irresponsible isn't even scratching the surface. I have only been playing EVE for 2 or 3 months now and was really starting to enjoy it, but I just don't see how I can support CCP. Why hasn't there been comment on this thread by CCP? If you have coding issues that could possibly be destroying hardware of paying customers, well, that is kind of a big deal. How this could have possibly gotten by QA and released on live is beyond me. Just the fact that CQ has higher system utilization that games like Crysis2 should be a huge red flag. There should at least be some type of response with suggestions or questions regarding this issue.
Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:55:00 - [94] Multiple clients seems to be a running theme in this thread. Given that CCP practically forces you to buy multiple accounts to play, they should spend time testing with multiple clients running.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:40:00 - [95] I have purchased a new rig, after my one was killed by incarna. Downloading eve on a 4mb connection 4.5 hours. I am scared to run two clients now. My confidence with ccp's product has been destroyed. And why no comment from CCP about the overheating issues? I feel like we are being let down.
Tommbo	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:48:00 - [96] Originally by: Ana Vyr Multiple clients seems to be a running theme in this thread. Given that CCP practically forces you to buy multiple accounts to play, they should spend time testing with multiple clients running. I played around a bit last night with the impact of hardware on performance in Incarna mostly looking at CPU scaling and video card performance. From what I observed, multiple Eve clients (in full screen) only had a very minor impact on overall performance (~2-5% FPS reduction). For the test I downclocked my CPU to 2.3 GHz to maximize the CPU bottleneck and ran a character through a 1 min loop through the CQ while logging average/max/min fps using Fraps. This was on a i7-2600K so performance on older processors (especially dual cores) may have a more pronounced impact. Overall, CPU core speed made a pretty pronounced difference (~30% increase in average FPS) between 2.3 GHz and 3.6 GHz, after which the gains dropped off significantly (8% increase) between 3.6 GHz and 4.8 GHz (max for my processor).
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:54:00 - [97] Originally by: Tommbo Originally by: Ana Vyr Multiple clients seems to be a running theme in this thread. Given that CCP practically forces you to buy multiple accounts to play, they should spend time testing with multiple clients running. I played around a bit last night with the impact of hardware on performance in Incarna mostly looking at CPU scaling and video card performance. From what I observed, multiple Eve clients (in full screen) only had a very minor impact on overall performance (~2-5% FPS reduction). For the test I downclocked my CPU to 2.3 GHz to maximize the CPU bottleneck and ran a character through a 1 min loop through the CQ while logging average/max/min fps using Fraps. This was on a i7-2600K so performance on older processors (especially dual cores) may have a more pronounced impact. Overall, CPU core speed made a pretty pronounced difference (~30% increase in average FPS) between 2.3 GHz and 3.6 GHz, after which the gains dropped off significantly (8% increase) between 3.6 GHz and 4.8 GHz (max for my processor). Should be tested in windowmode, not fullscreen. First of all it's more taxing, second it's a must for people that multi-monitor and/or run more than one client per monitor. Apart from that it's interesting numbers you get. The stress on my hardware going from two to five clients is very small, hardly any difference. Am often running two max-setting windowmode clients and 2-4 lower gfx-setting separate installs. Dual-monitor, nVidia card, i7. What really puts stress on your system is just running EVE by itself, more clients (seems to) add very little. -
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:03:00 - [98] Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 23/06/2011 17:04:06 Originally by: Glyken Touchon Edited by: Glyken Touchon on 23/06/2011 14:39:17 Originally by: Haraldhardrade I got a fairly fast computer with a GTX 570. Whenever I dock I hear my fans fire up like crazy. Undock and they slow down again. same here. I've got the fps capped at 60 (interval one) as a general safety measure anyway, because I can't normally tell the difference between higher rates. edit: Originally by: Kahndrian Vochre You may be on to something there as I've noticed from this thread and others the CPU heat issues seems to be happening to people with ATI cards while nVidia cards seem to be the ones having GPU heat issues. Perhaps the code is optimized(I use that term loosely) for nVidia only so ATI cards that can't cope are offloading most of the processing to the CPU? PhysX is processed on GPU for NVidia, but on CPU for ATI. I think I'm going to disable CQ from now on to be honest. I cant se why I should risk it. My GPU goes to 70' Celsius when I'm docked, and there is no reason for it to do so as the graphics isnt that demanding. Clearly, there is some bad coding at work here. Theres no way EVE and the CQ should require more power than lets say Crysis 2 on high settings. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:38:00 - [99] 67% of eve downloaded..... 1hour 47 mins left I will be disabling CQ until ccp have sorted out the performance issues, this has been an expensive patch for me, and I havnt even purchased any arrum $$ lol my replacement pc on a budget... Bundle Specification - CPU: Intel Core i3 550 3.20GHz @ 4.00GHz - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard - RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel - Cooler: Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev2 CPU cooler my PSU and graphics card (ATI HD5700) are fine thankfully --------------------------------- Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Tommbo	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:45:00 - [100] Crysis 2 in its current state is optimized for consoles (aka 4+ year old tech), and really isn't a demanding game until they start releasing the improved graphics packages. 70C on a graphics card is fairly standard for stock cooling under load, if not on the low end (some reach over 90C). It's well within the tolerances for most video cards. I've found CQ to run fairly smoothly (20-30 FPS) on an older computer E6450 @ 3.1 GHz, 8800GTS (1280x1024). The graphics detail had to be turned down a couple notches but it doesn't look hideous. I think the main issue is far too many people are trying to play with the settings that are a bit beyond their hardware.

Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:55:00 - [101] Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 23/06/2011 17:55:32 Originally by: Tommbo 70C on a graphics card is fairly standard for stock cooling under load, if not on the low end (some reach over 90C). It's well within the tolerances for most video cards. I've found CQ to run fairly smoothly (20-30 FPS) on an older computer E6450 @ 3.1 GHz, 8800GTS (1280x1024). The graphics detail had to be turned down a couple notches but it doesn't look hideous. I think the main issue is far too many people are trying to play with the settings that are a bit beyond their hardware. Crysis 2, consoles? I'm no expert. But the data load in CQ shouldn't be that much, especially not on a high end card like the GTX 570. I mean, its just a 3rd person view with some minor details. (?) Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Tommbo	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:08:00 - [102] Originally by: Haraldhardrade Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 23/06/2011 17:55:32 Originally by: Tommbo 70C on a graphics card is fairly standard for stock cooling under load, if not on the low end (some reach over 90C). It's well within the tolerances for most video cards. I've found CQ to run fairly smoothly (20-30 FPS) on an older computer E6450 @ 3.1 GHz, 8800GTS (1280x1024). The graphics detail had to be turned down a couple notches but it doesn't look hideous. I think the main issue is far too many people are trying to play with the settings that are a bit beyond their hardware. Crysis 2, consoles? I'm no expert. But the data load in CQ shouldn't be that much, especially not on a high end card like the GTX 570. I mean, its just a 3rd person view with some minor details. (?) Yes. Crysis 2 was release on PC, Xbox360 and PS3. The PC version reeks of a console port which is reflected in the stunted graphics and poor UI (not designed for a PC). A separate HD patch for PC is being released that adds high res textures and DirectX 11 features. The CQ graphics include fairly high poly count models, pretty lights and textures that is more demanding than vanilla Crysis 2. Granted there's still a fair amount of room for optimization with the current build.
Rigmund Oswide	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:22:00 - [103] my comp is now overheating and shutting down, as well. nvidia 9800gtx, amd phenom II x3 720. never was a problem before. ive turned off CQ and lowered all gfx settings, still had it shutdown my system. tho i was able to play a lot longer after reducing settings, the game is still unplayable and dangerous running 1 client, 1 monitor
Adonlude ANZAC ACADEMY	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:47:00 - [104] I got crazy graphical glitching that made the game unplayable after several session changes into CQ. This happened all night and I would have to exit and reopen EVE to get it back to normal. I got great 30-60 FPS at high settings but every time I entered CQ after the first or second time it graphics would go crazy. Once even had BSoD and auto reboot. I'll check drivers tonight and run temp monitoring in the background but beyond that im not paying CCP to waste my time troubleshooting their BS. I have never had any problem playing any other game on my E6700@3GHz, WinXP, 460GTX box.
Debbie DoesDallas	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:37:00 - [105] Originally by: Rigmund Oswide my comp is now overheating and shutting down, as well. nvidia 9800gtx, amd phenom II x3 720. never was a problem before. ive turned off CQ and lowered all gfx settings, still had it shutdown my system. tho i was able to play a lot longer after reducing settings, the game is still unplayable and dangerous running 1 client, 1 monitor If you haven't petitioned or submitted a bug report, I'd suggest doing that. Pretty much every GM will start by telling folks to deleting their cache and settings files. This clears out a lot of stuff that your comp must otherwise chew on. I'd suggest deleting those files first and see how things are when you restart your client. Did you have any issues with heat/shut downs before Incarna deployed?
Rigmund Oswide	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:58:00 - [106] Originally by: Debbie DoesDallas Originally by: Rigmund Oswide my comp is now overheating and shutting down, as well. nvidia 9800gtx, amd phenom II x3 720. never was a problem before. ive turned off CQ and lowered all gfx settings, still had it shutdown my system. tho i was able to play a lot longer after reducing settings, the game is still unplayable and dangerous running 1 client, 1 monitor If you haven't petitioned or submitted a bug report, I'd suggest doing that. Pretty much every GM will start by telling folks to deleting their cache and settings files. This clears out a lot of stuff that your comp must otherwise chew on. I'd suggest deleting those files first and see how things are when you restart your client. Did you have any issues with heat/shut downs before Incarna deployed? ill give that a shot. these issues are entirely new as far as i can tell. my comp never shutdown from eve before, and i dont think the gpu fan used to run nearly as loud. im actually really surprised to see a game as graphically sparse as eve cause this type of issue
OlRotGut Caldari Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:21:00 - [107] Please make Incarna stop spinning my Geforce GTX280 fan at 100% maximum speed. Good lord. No other game I've ever played has done this... at least not as SOON as I get into the game. It's pushing my GPU temps to around 75C crazy- I have never seen them go that high on a game on this rig.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.24 07:39:00 - [108] Obviously I am still waiting for my petition to be answered, I wouldnt expect anything less having played eve for a long time. Would be nice to see a reply here to acknowledge that there is a problem with incarna and overheating. At the time ccp Fallout did reply to me on twitter saying he was sorry, and I thank him for that. I know I am not going to get a pc out of this, I have read the terms of service and understand them, but I would have liked more feedback from ccp, and feel we are being let down by ccp, with everything going on at the moment with the leaked memo they have a lot of fire control to manage, and a loyal player base to win round again.
Thayne en Welle	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:50:00 - [109] I had no choice but to cancel. I could have waited for a response from CCP on the newsletter. I could have waited for changes to CQ and Incarna. I could have waited to see if CCP got the message from its customer base and acted accordingly. However...Incarna destroyed hardware on my PC. I was one of the lucky ones in that it only fried my PSU. It only cost me $100 instead of $1000 or more. But I just can't support a company who broke the inherent trust between company and customer. As a customer, we trust that you, as a company, will not release software that is potentially damaging to your customers property. Code was released into a production environment that was flawed and that had the potential to damage hardware with no warning to the customer. It is inexcusable that this made it out of QA without the QA team catching the flaws. Your company's mistakes ended up costing me $100 and some people much more. I was really enjoying EVE. It is a shame that something that people were looking forward to actually ruined the game. I hope that CCP can learn from these errors and grasp the concept that in order to make money from customers, you have to make customers happy. We are not here to be taken advantage of. We are not a money well that CCP can dip it's bucket into endlessly with no care for our concerns, cares or rights as consumers. I had to answer these transgressions the only way I could and in a language that CCP appears to understand all too well. With my wallet. Do svidaniya!
Chaos Gemini Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:21:00 - [110] What recommendations do you have to monitor the CPU/GPU? Are there any that will allow you see the information in game?

skyk Gallente Domination. Legion of The Damned.	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:37:00 - [111] GPU-Z will do it. Link
JT Black Amarr ALPHA REACTION	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:43:00 - [112] Very worrying news . I am amazed CCP doesn't put this as an alert on the main log in screen ! Cancelling two accounts due to bad monitoring and failure to inform us. CCP , shame on you. Will you start caring for this poor subscribers who had further expenses due to terrible programming ? Regards.
dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:02:00 - [113] Edited by: dankeeys on 24/06/2011 17:05:58 Edited by: dankeeys on 24/06/2011 17:05:35 Edited by: dankeeys on 24/06/2011 17:05:03 Ive posted my problems with the new incarna patch here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536424&page=1 One thing that is obvious and maybe needs reiterating here is that Incarna is NOT responsible for people who have had ôburning CPUÆs or GPUÆs or failed PSUÆs Yes Incarna is a complete Fuc8up but a game is simply not capable of damaging hardware that is correctly cooled and installedàAll hardware has a maximum thermal limit. No matter what software/game you are running, your hardware can only run at 100% usage. A specific game or software is not capable of running your hardware at any greater usage than 100%. All hardware is manufactured to work at 100% usage whilst operating under the maximum thermal limit in an acceptable environment temperature. If people have had computer hardware burning out then, itÆs either a manufacturing issue (which is unlikely) or (more than likely) not ensuring the pc has good airflow, and adequate cooling methods are employed and used. If your CPU fried itÆs not cooled adequately If your GPU fried itÆs not cooled adequately If your PSU fried, itÆs either overloaded or not cooled adequately IÆve seen people in a variety of threads including this one posting that the Incarna release is somehow responsible for damaging hardware, examples of people complaining their GPU is running too hot with Incarna, someone thinking 70 degrees C is too hot for a HD5770 as an example. The fact is most modern GPUs HD3xxxÆs, and 8xxxGTÆs onwards have max thermal limits of circa 100 degrees C, and as an example the HD4850 has a max thermal limit of 110 degrees C. I am the first to agree the Incarna patch is complete and utter Sh8ite, and yes the fact is; itÆs poorly coded, hardly optimised and does stretch even high end rigs to their limits while returning crap performance, but it is simply not the fault of failing hardware. Once again we have seen that CCP are more interested in pushing content onto the community that is simply not ready. Rather than putting the time, effort and money into providing working debugged content for who are basically paying customers. I know some players may not understand the basics of cooling a PC so here goes: 1.DonÆt put your pc in that shi8tty little cupboard at the end of your computer desk, thatÆs like double glazing, itÆs gonna make your pc hotter inside. 2.Install fans on the front sucking in, on the back blowing outàcheap fans with molex connectors, nothing flash. There is usually a space at the front of a case behind the faceplate and another at the back near the power supply for 150mm fans. 3.Not major but stick rubber feet on the bottom of the case to get a gap between the case and where its stood 4.A biggie is the power supply, Eve Incarna does now use a lot of system resources so PSU usage will be high. If you donÆt use a good branded PSU such as corsair, akassa, etc you are more than likely gonna be dumping a hell of a lot of extra heat into your case, and the total wattage on the 12 volt rail (most important) will be considerably lower than the total advertised wattage of the PSU on a poor quality PSU 5.Stress test a new computer to check stability and temps, most motherboards come with temp monitoring software, Orthos is good for CPU stress testing and Furmark for GPUÆs Anyway, hope CCP get this crap sorted as IÆm pi8sed off with it.:)
Thayne en Welle	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:36:00 - [114] The only problem with the above statement is that I play a lot of games. Graphical high end games. None of them have ever caused hardware issues before this. My PC is well above the recommended specs. Software is absolutely able to fry hardware if it consistently pushes it above levels it is intended to be at and thus causes overheating. Any type of cooling can be pushed beyond it's limits. Some people have argued that hardware should be able to always be run at max capacity but the simple fact is that it isn't. Now that's not to say that a better cooling setup wouldn't have prevented this particular issue, but if it works for EVERYTHING else, it shouldn't be necessary and CCP should have caught this in QA and, at the very least, warned users.
dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:05:00 - [115] Edited by: dankeeys on 24/06/2011 18:06:33 Thayne en Welle - I understand how ****ty it is when something goes poof on your PCà.I blew a PSU a few months back and had to drop ú105 on a new one. The fact is though, if your gonna be gaming on a PC you should be doing a range of benchmarks, including stressing the CPU to check temps, and again with the GPU, you should then be completing a CPU and GPU benchmark and testing the wattage draw, and heat of the PSU. I appreciate that if you bought a PC off the shelf at a shop you would assume that its capable of working to the limit, and if not then those tasks are mandatory for a self build PC. Just because other games do not tax a system as much as Incarna does not mean Incarna is at fault for damaging hardware ôSoftware is absolutely able to fry hardware if it consistently pushes it above levels it is intended to be at and thus causes overheating. Any type of cooling can be pushed beyond its limits. Some people have argued that hardware should be able to always be run at max capacity but the simple fact is that it isn't.ö Quoted from your above statement, this was the point I was getting at, software simply cannot push hardware past its maximum level 100%, its just not possible 100% means 100%, hardware manufacturers do not test their products at 80% and start mass production. The reasons for failure are temperatures, or the power supply not being able to provide enough watts, maybe a mixture of the two, dust inside the PC affecting thermal movement etc. If the cooling is being pushed beyond its limits, then itÆs the fault of the manufacturer, or the self builder if aftermarket cooling has been fitted. Sorry about your failed hardware btw, does suck when you have to prematurely replace something. Incarna patch is a complete fuc8k up , but its not damaging peoples computers direct Out of curiosity, what PSU where you using , and whatÆs the spec of the PC that was damaged?
JT Black Amarr ALPHA REACTION	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:21:00 - [116] dankeeys Apply at ccpgames.com and cut the techie crap , it's incarna related ,simple. That dude back there somehow suffered side effects of not having lots of cash like u to spend in Sims online. Also I am afraid you only have played EvE for less than a year you need to go back to understand some of the new issues that have arised with the latest expansions.
dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:06:00 - [117] @JT Black, Good post, you really helped out the community problems with Incarna with your comments telling me what I should do, have, and spend money on, what a way to bring something constructive or helpful to the forumà.ThatÆs sarcasm BTW Yes I agree with you, Incarna sucks and it is problematic. The fact that my toon is only a year old makes no differenceàI am well aware of the issues that the last several main expansions/updates have caused. I think CCP are a complete waste of time as far as patches and updates are concerned. They release **** patches that are not finished and let the eve community complete loads of trouble shooting and finality dev work everytime. On the subject that software can damage hardware is complete crap unfortunately, unless its malicious (virus) that can somehow alter fan profiles or stop fans running, then itÆs simply computers that are not built correctly.
dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:19:00 - [118] Might be able to help people a little, just been playing around with the in game settings. Realised I can get decent performance and negate the problems I posted here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536424&page=1 if I set default graphics to "for performanceö, then manually change everything back to high (AA at low or medium) except for Character Creation & Graphical Content Texture quality leaving it at mediumàthose two options once checked to high cause me lots of problems.
Tommbo	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:28:00 - [119] Originally by: JT Black dankeeys Apply at ccpgames.com and cut the techie crap , it's incarna related ,simple. That dude back there somehow suffered side effects of not having lots of cash like u to spend in Sims online. Also I am afraid you only have played EvE for less than a year you need to go back to understand some of the new issues that have arised with the latest expansions. Granted there are faults in the Incarna code that could improve performance; Incarna is not the culprit in failing hardware. It's more that the hardware is not performing up to spec, weather it is due to defect or misuse. It's akin to bakes failing on a car and then blaming the driver for slamming on the pedal too hard. The expectation is that the brakes will still function while under extreme stress. Dankeeys is offering some basic information for anyone interested in testing their system by using stress tests, which can be done by anyone without taking their system to a computer shop.
dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:52:00 - [120] Originally by: Tommbo Originally by: JT Black dankeeys Apply at ccpgames.com and cut the techie crap , it's incarna related ,simple. That dude back there somehow suffered side effects of not having lots of cash like u to spend in Sims online. Also I am afraid you only have played EvE for less than a year you need to go back to understand some of the new issues that have arised with the latest expansions. Granted there are faults in the Incarna code that could improve performance; Incarna is not the culprit in failing hardware. It's more that the hardware is not performing up to spec, weather it is due to defect or misuse. It's akin to bakes failing on a car and then blaming the driver for slamming on the pedal too hard. The expectation is that the brakes will still function while under extreme stress. Dankeeys is offering some basic information for anyone interested in testing their system by using stress tests, which can be done by anyone without taking their system to a computer shop. Thank you Tommbo, love the Analogy on car brakes BTW, wish I thought of that one

dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:29:00 - [121] Edited by: dankeeys on 24/06/2011 20:30:44 Originally by: caldar ian Its a CIT (made in china) High efficiency 750W PSU 12cm silent cooling fan Dual 12v rails AC INPUT: 230VAC 10A 50-60Hz Model 750UB DC Output Max +3.3V +5V +12V1 +12V2 -12V +5VSB 28A 30A 20A 20A 0.3A 2.5A 750 W had good reviews and was in my budget at the time, had it in my system for two years with no problem. I have also tried another PSU with my motherboard to check it wasn't the PSU at fault. Board lights come on and then its dead, no fans spin, no post, nothing Caldar Ian////I had that exact same PSu as you that IÆve mentioned in another post, it blew on me a few months ago. My PC draws 580 watts from the socket full load on everything, and that PSU blewàThe answer for me was because ItÆs not a true 750 watt PSU. The majority of the power hungry components all work off the 12volt rail. That PSu only gives 480watts on the 12 volt rails. Further to that its not a continuous rating as its based on something stupid like 30 degrees C where that PSu under full system load for me got way hotter than that so you are probs only gonna realise even 80% of its stated wattage which means your gonna be getting circa 384 watts on the 12 volt rail..pit that against my current psu http://www.saverstore.com/product/20029303/7725665/Corsair-CMPSU-850TXUK-TX-850W-Power-Supply which does 748 watts on the 12volt rail at operating temp & constant you can start to understand why a good PSu is worth its price.
Dr Manufactorium	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 - [122] This guys are hilarious going on about power supplies and voltage... will that replace caldar ian loss? Can you bring it to life???? Nice theories u have here...one even recently call it stress tests...some of us call it get out and start doing some real testing . caldar ian , dont let your psot get hijacked by these damage control ppl.Just interested in DC the game by theories that are unwelcomed. Say instead of going on about a power supply can you put up a few lines of code to improve this ? Please never stop posting Sirs Epic fail Custom PC is ---------> that way
Apice	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:39:00 - [123] Originally by: Dr Manufactorium This guys are hilarious going on about power supplies and voltage... will that replace caldar ian loss? Can you bring it to life???? Nice theories u have here...one even recently call it stress tests...some of us call it get out and start doing some real testing . caldar ian , dont let your psot get hijacked by these damage control ppl.Just interested in DC the game by theories that are unwelcomed. Say instead of going on about a power supply can you put up a few lines of code to improve this ? Please never stop posting Sirs Epic fail Custom PC is ---------> that way Please explain to me how a "few lines of code" will allow a power supply to produce more power than it is designed to produce? A simple google search easily confirms that insufficient wattage on the 12v rail is a common issue with power supplies (primary due to dubious marketing on the part of PSU manufactures). While it may not bring back his dead PSU this simple knowledge will prevent the same thing from happening again, hopefully sparing the loss of a second PSU.
Dr Manufactorium	Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 - [124] Lets talk about ....erm voltage ok ? Yeah back to the voltage topic !
Dr Manufactorium	Posted - 2011.06.25 01:29:00 - [125] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495 ok
Dark Reignz Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.25 02:01:00 - [126] WoW im amazed to come to the forum and find a CCP notice regarding PC issues and then this thread. I installed Incarna but never docked at all that session, after an hour I logged then came back online a few hours later. Everything still seemed fine. however I then docked to check out CQ and apart from a slight bit of lag I proceeded to sit my char down in CQ and starting chatting to a mate. After about 10 mins BSOD. WTF I though, my PC wouldnt boot up and over the following 24 hours I went through everything including a full reformat and finally found that a 1gb stick of ram had blown. So I carried on reinstalling windows and also found that prior to the install the hard drive was 250gb (230 free) and completed that then I found a second problem. It had also caused part of my effing Hard drive to fail so after windows installed it only shows 130 gb out 250! WTF IN HELL IS THIS. Im now on a 1.5gb ram pc with 130/250 gb drive which lags to fck. Ive ordered more ram but am now going to have to buy a full new PC. I know 100% Incarna did this because back when Apoph was released it blew my brand new PSU as did Tyrannis. Wont bother putting in a technical petition becuase I doubt your going to buy me new hardware or compensate me for the loss.
Nak hak	Posted - 2011.06.25 02:45:00 - [127] Edited by: Nak hak on 25/06/2011 02:49:53 When will CCP give a comment on this 5 page post? Stop leaving your customers twisting in your forum post tag hells. CPP. Have you no sense of decency, CCP, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency? Best Regards. Nak hak, The Self-Righteous
Invictus Minmatar Battlestars S E D I T I O N	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:05:00 - [128] Edited by: Invictus on 25/06/2011 05:06:02 I normally ran three to four clients on my pc pre-incarna with zero issues, only with graphics turned down slightly. Saturday morning, I start two up, orbiting my POS. Then the third client in station... less than five minutes in, Poof. Dead PC. $400after a trip to the local computer shop for CPU, mobo, ram and fan, here I am. What gives CCP? I know you've delivered sub-par in the past and recover afterwards, but this. This patch takes the cake. I think I might spend a day out of my summer vacation in Iceland to stand out in front of your office holding a sign explaining how much I dislike this recent patch. Besides, Incarna is boring now. Whoopie, I can sit on sofa and watch the new cycle over or watch my ship spin in 3rd person perspective. Does the cookie jar have cookies in it? Or just a few hand-fulls of maggots?
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:09:00 - [129] Originally by: Invictus Edited by: Invictus on 25/06/2011 05:06:02 I normally ran three to four clients on my pc pre-incarna with zero issues, only with graphics turned down slightly. Saturday morning, I start two up, orbiting my POS. Then the third client in station... less than five minutes in, Poof. Dead PC. $400after a trip to the local computer shop for CPU, mobo, ram and fan, here I am. What gives CCP? I know you've delivered sub-par in the past and recover afterwards, but this. This patch takes the cake. I think I might spend a day out of my summer vacation in Iceland to stand out in front of your office holding a sign explaining how much I dislike this recent patch. Besides, Incarna is boring now. Whoopie, I can sit on sofa and watch the new cycle over or watch my ship spin in 3rd person perspective. Sorry to hear you had a pc melt down as well, I feel your pain. CCP are in denial at the moment, my petition has not been replied to yet, I know I wont get any thing I have read the terms of service for the game. But I want them to know at-least that incarna is a poorly designed game, when they knew running more than one client would cause issues. Unfortunately it seems with the leaked memo and community uproar at the moment it has put customer service on a back burner. In-game advantage for real life money will ruin this game, and I will no longer be playing with my two accounts until we get answers. I have played this game since 2004 and have never felt this bad and betrayed by ccp. I am afraid this is the end of eve online and ccp dont care. . . . --------------------------------- Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Kon Deus	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:32:00 - [130] Originally by: Apice Originally by: Dr Manufactorium This guys are hilarious going on about power supplies and voltage... will that replace caldar ian loss? Can you bring it to life???? Nice theories u have here...one even recently call it stress tests...some of us call it get out and start doing some real testing . caldar ian , dont let your psot get hijacked by these damage control ppl.Just interested in DC the game by theories that are unwelcomed. Say instead of going on about a power supply can you put up a few lines of code to improve this ? Please never stop posting Sirs Epic fail Custom PC is ---------> that way Please explain to me how a "few lines of code" will allow a power supply to produce more power than it is designed to produce? A simple google search easily confirms that insufficient wattage on the 12v rail is a common issue with power supplies (primary due to dubious marketing on the part of PSU manufactures). While it may not bring back his dead PSU this simple knowledge will prevent the same thing from happening again, hopefully sparing the loss of a second PSU. There could be plenty of theories. Tho realistic. If somehow under norm conditions his system was running at optimal... Then the stressed process and esp. the stress on video (video cards nowadays will pull some pwr) it has the possibility. I run a 1200 psu. But that is because I realize how critical it can be to a system. The norm for most all systems the psu is barely optimal for the system. Adding a larger video card or just an additional drive or periph can push them easily into pop. On the flip, I hope CCP goes bankrupt and chokes on the remaining prepaid time I have left!

JT Black Amarr ALPHA REACTION	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:29:00 - [131] What i really like is the tech gurus in this thread trying to DC what happens to a many great deal out there with Stress tests....and by posting their specs here.. Do me a favour and get out of this thread. Not only ccp released a proven dangerous expansion they also removed the chances of the not so fortunate to not even be able to run EvE online with a low specs machine. I give you the example of students or ppl with less financial options. Some of those have been playing EvE for many years and now they gave up cause they cant run EvE.Its people who used to log in to socialize online and chat on coms while playing EvE. Some of us like me work and have decent salaries but what about the ones who are in education and struggle with their bills. Why Can't CCP in all their greed make it easier for those with lower spec machines ? No its all about the money ! And with time it just gets worse and worse. EvE online reached the perfect example of a fine product lead to avenues of financial unrealistic dimensions I blame the management.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:33:00 - [132] still here waiting for acknowledgement from ccp. They will wait for the storm to die down and carry on as usual --------------------------------- Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Okano Hykeido Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.25 19:38:00 - [133] confirmed Incarna tries to fry my 480s everytime i login :\|
Gordon Hellbender	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:09:00 - [134] Originally by: Kane VanKeio I run a highend i7 pc. As soon as I launch Eve, I hear my fans go nuts. Before patch I could run 3-4clients and everything was fine, but now something is not right. Thought I got some virus first that ate memory, but now I start believing that this latest patch is ****ed up. I tried AoC at launch and I remember their memory leak problem that made clients crash and freezelag like hell. I am almost 100% sure CCP has some issue like that now, else people would not gotten this problem, even if they have an old or new pc. Same here. High end intel i7 system with a high end ati vid card. 6 gb internal ram, 512 mb vid ram. No problems before patch. After patch, with CQ enabled - crazy fan use,, like a jet aircraft taking off. Had to disable CQ,,,. but that means i now have a static background. Give me back my ship overview !!! T_T
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:07:00 - [135] I see other threads being replied to by ccp in this forum area, but not in this thread they are keeping away shameful
Nimtra Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:44:00 - [136] Originally by: caldar ian I see other threads being replied to by ccp in this forum area, but not in this thread they are keeping away shameful they already responded to it in a sticky right above : Experiencing Heat or Hardware Issues? While yes, before incarna eve-o was not really a resource hog, mostly empty space, some ships and explosions a few shadows. The new interiors are quite a lot more taxing on your hardware, more polygons, many more particle effects, shadows.... Question is, are they harder on your hardware then other similar graphics? I for one have no issues at all. I have other games that are far less visually impressive that heat up my system more. Its really not easy to respond to hardware issues . Its hard to reproduce. What driver, what other hardware, what OS, what updates ... it probably only happens on your own system the exact way you experience the problem. There's a near infinite amount of causes. Dirty heat sinks, bad airflow inside your case, heat around your case, faulty hardware ( remember the faulty nvidia mobile chips as an example, Linkage . Or there's just a badly attached heatsink/heatspreader on your graphics processor ) Maybe its a driver bug. ( e.g. the nvidia 196.75, Linkage ) What are they supposed to write more then whats mentioned in the sticky? "Sorry we have no idea what causes this to happen on your system, as all out test-systems ran just fine" ? PS: if you really want to torture your graphics card try Furmark. This will heat your graphics card to its absolute maximum so be careful.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:51:00 - [137] whatever My ATI 5700 had no problems and survived the melt down. My cpu and motherboard fried on the other hand. I am not really bothered about my pc loss now, I have replaced it at great expense to my self. I am just sick to the stomach of the way the player base has been treated, and the direction of the game I have put 7 years into. btw still no reply to my petition lol, just for the lulz --------------------------------- Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Funk Engine Gallente GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 00:47:00 - [138] Edited by: Funk Engine on 26/06/2011 00:49:58 Here's something to try for science... If you are experiencing thermal excursions, underclock your GPU or CPU or both (whichever is overheating.) and see if you see a commensurate drop in temperature. Some napkin thermodynamic math says a 10% drop in clock speed should result in a 8-12% reduction in temperature rise above ambient(Assuming the core is maxed, and the cooling has throttled up to max also. This may take 10-15 minutes to happen.). To explain it with more words, that means that if your GPU core hits 90C at normal clocks, and your room temperature is 22 C, the temp difference is 68 degrees. So if you underclock by 10% your new max temp should be between 81 and 85 degrees. If it does NOT behave the way I've laid it out(Meaning your max temp doesn't change.), its something hardware or driver side that would need to be worked out between CCP and ATI/NVIDIA, if the temperature drops, its a cooling/airflow/thermodynamic issue on your end. I have not had any thermal issues myself, but my system has been fully load tested to handle 100% theoretical thermal dissipation without issue. (I designed it that way, damnit! Stock HSFs aren't built for that kind of abuse.) Intel Q6600 (B stepping, G0 revision \o/ ) at 2.95GHz, ATI HD 4850-2GB video ram, factory clocks. Max CPU core temp is 60c at 100% load on all 4 cores (CPU die is vertically oriented, so two of the cores sit "above" the other two, so when the hottest core is 60, the bottom cores are 3-4 degrees cooler.) and I have yet to see my GPU go above 62, and 45% fan speed. Standard disclaimers: YMMV, IANAL, Abandon Hope All Ye, etc...
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:04:00 - [139] Some great advice here in this thread however for a general pc user( i.e not some geek guru ) we look at a game to make sure our pc meets its minimum spec, we buy it and play. Its that simple, we dont look at temperatures fsb, mhz, clock speed's, or if it can be played with multiple clients. I belive CCP failed us, they knew it would cause problems for multiple client users so they released a dev blog ( come on who actually reads the dev blogs apart from the nerds ) there should have been a ingame warning at client start up. Something like Quote: WARNING RUNNING INCARNA IN MULTIPLE CLIENTS MAY OVERHEAT YOUR SYSTEM, PLEASE DISABLE THE CAPTAINS QUARTERS AND LOOK AT A DOOR and if in the future you are forced to run incarna a lot of you will not be playing with all your chars at once. --------------------------------- Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Stoned Dragonias Amarr Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:01:00 - [140] Originally by: caldar ian Some great advice here in this thread however for a general pc user( i.e not some geek guru ) we look at a game to make sure our pc meets its minimum spec, we buy it and play. Its that simple, we dont look at temperatures fsb, mhz, clock speed's, or if it can be played with multiple clients. I belive CCP failed us, they knew it would cause problems for multiple client users so they released a dev blog ( come on who actually reads the dev blogs apart from the nerds ) there should have been a ingame warning at client start up. Something like Quote: WARNING RUNNING INCARNA IN MULTIPLE CLIENTS MAY OVERHEAT YOUR SYSTEM, PLEASE DISABLE THE CAPTAINS QUARTERS AND LOOK AT A DOOR and if in the future you are forced to run incarna a lot of you will not be playing with all your chars at once. Incarna wasn't ready for release, went from running three accounts simultaneously, to scared to run one. In order to run the one when I'm docked I have to stare at a door, or risk a BSOD with CQ on (never had one before incarna). When in space it uses more resources than running three accounts pre-incarna. Side note: I'm surprised your QA team felt that the turret icons on target lock were acceptable for release. Have you seen them? complete garbage. Sorry I don't use my money to buy garbage, this whole expansion is garbage. -3 subscriptions.

Nimtra Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:07:00 - [141] But overheating hardware has nothing to do with a high load caused by ( faulty ) software. Even if you have a program that has your CPU running at 100% load constantly, transfers massive amounts of data over the pcie bus non-stop, you hardware should not fail. Your PC will run abysmally slow, but unless its some overclocking software that can change voltages, no software can damage your hardware. And yep probably the client could handle multiple clients more gracefully then it does now, but it wont destroy hardware. As I said. It was either a hardware fault, dirty heatsinks, poor ventilation, driver issue. Dont put a PC into a small confined space , they have claustrophobia. So clean your fans, check if they actually work, check if theres hot air getting pushed out of your case somewhere, check if theres not too much heat building around your PC. Also its advisable to have an airflow that is only going in 1 direction ( often fans on the side of the case that blow in air perpendicular to the rest of the others do more harm then good ). And yes I guess if the whole system overheats, its probably the CPU and Northbridge that die first, Graphics cards these days are designed for much higher temperatures then CPUs (100¦C are still tolerable ) Also if you want to torture you CPU get prime95 : here Maybe try and run prime95 and monitor your CPUs temperature. if it doesnt fail its highly unlikely anything else can make it.. ( Unless your whole system is so poorly ventilated that the heat inside the case renders fans ineffective) Maybe even run furmark and prime at the same time, monitor temperatures and kill the programs if your hardware gets too hot.. If it does, open the case and put e.g a ventilator next o it and see how the heat develops then. Maybe you gotta buy a few more case fans.
dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.26 11:37:00 - [142] Originally by: JT Black What i really like is the tech gurus in this thread trying to DC what happens to a many great deal out there with Stress tests....and by posting their specs here.. Do me a favour and get out of this thread. Not only ccp released a proven dangerous expansion they also removed the chances of the not so fortunate to not even be able to run EvE online with a low specs machine. I give you the example of students or ppl with less financial options. Some of those have been playing EvE for many years and now they gave up cause they cant run EvE.Its people who used to log in to socialize online and chat on coms while playing EvE. Some of us like me work and have decent salaries but what about the ones who are in education and struggle with their bills. Why Can't CCP in all their greed make it easier for those with lower spec machines ? No its all about the money ! And with time it just gets worse and worse. EvE online reached the perfect example of a fine product lead to avenues of financial unrealistic dimensions I blame the management. JT Blackàmaybe you should be the one to ôget out of this threadöà..just an idea. The ôtech gurusö in these threads as you call them are actually presenting all round good ideas and help with regards to heat and other issues. What are you providing to the community except pointless half ass retorts to people who are providing factual reasoning and help? Tell you what JT Blackà.since there is a plethora of reasoning on this thread and others as to why software, namely a game CANNOT damage hardware, and people providing alternative reasoning as to why certain people are having issues with hardware. You go and find some information contrary to thatàfind us something to prove Incarna or for that matter any other game can damage hardware. The simple fact is software does not and cannot directly damage hardware, unless as IÆve stated previous; as an example malicious code (virus) that can alter fan speeds inside the system to cause overheating. I am not sticking up for CCP hereà.IÆve said it before and I will say it again, Incarna is an abysmal fail. But if peoples hardware is failing because of it, the first port of call should be the place they bought the PC from, and self builders who have had issues should really not be building their own computersà.simple.
Demon Flames	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:54:00 - [143] dankeeys You sound mad ? Are you mad ?
JT Black Amarr ALPHA REACTION	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:09:00 - [144] So not really worth my time but i will reply to you , Dankeeys . You seem to be at loss in this post judging the numbers of people complaining about the most recent patch which is software based. 1 - You must have some unknown PC maybe its Jove tech something like that... 2 - You are somehow simple or in denial. 3 - Don't waist my time cause until now all your posted knowledge has not resolved any of the OP problems. Be realistic , If you don't accept the truth continue day dreaming. Let me quote some of the OP for you cause u forgot by now : "however for a general pc user( i.e not some geek guru ) we look at a game to make sure our pc meets its minimum spec, we buy it and play. Its that simple, we dont look at temperatures fsb, mhz, clock speed's, or if it can be played with multiple clients. I belive CCP failed us, they knew it would cause problems for multiple client users so they released a dev blog ( come on who actually reads the dev blogs apart from the nerds ) there should have been a ingame warning at client start up. Something like Quote:WARNING RUNNING INCARNA IN MULTIPLE CLIENTS MAY OVERHEAT YOUR SYSTEM, PLEASE DISABLE THE CAPTAINS QUARTERS AND LOOK AT A DOOR Wink and if in the future you are forced to run incarna a lot of you will not be playing with all your chars at once." Now Dankeeys scroll up page after page and sum up your advice,ranges from a virus problem to a Power Supply etc etc,dust... The truth is even people with higher specs machines are having either overheating or at some point system resources put under stress.You try running multiple clients If there is no change to your system submit a report to CCP QA and let them know you have the cure. QA needs you. To finish this off , I am side by side with the OP, you are just theory generalizing I am not interested. Again I emphasise to you, what about the ones who cannot afford an expensive PC . Be humble and support the ones who have less.
Li'l Ze Minmatar Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:33:00 - [145] All this makes me kinda happy I couldn't log in at all due to my video card not supporting "shader model 3" Perhaps by the time I get a new card the problem will be resolved or the game gets rolled back to an earlier version.
George Holden Gallente Syndicated Systems ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:56:00 - [146] Just to sum it up. A game, even a faulty one, is very unlikely to be able to fry your hardware unless: - Cooling is insufficent and hardware can't handle it's maximum temperature due to flaws in the hardware itself like wearing off, thermal paste drying out etc. Almost every single piece of hardware in a PC that produces extensive heat has some kind of safety switch that powers down the PC if things get too hot. If you got spare hardware you can try this by taking off the CPU cooler and start the PC, in 99.99% of the tries it will shutdown once the CPU reaches a certain temperature. Same goes for the Northbridge/Southbridge on the mainboard and the graficscards. BSODs and random powerdowns without overheating are most likely caused by a bad or underpowered PSU. Yes PSU got certain specs but especially cheap ones can't handle too much load on single rails which will most likely be the 12V rail. I'm running a 700W beQuiet Black Power something PSU with following hardware: 1x GTX570 GLH GS Gainward Card 1x Xfi Titanium Soundcard (the one with the frontpanel) 2x Samsung DVD Writer 4x 1TB Samsung Harddrive 1x Crosshair IV Asus Mainboard 4x 120mm fans 4x 90mm fans Random peripherals connected are: 1x Roccat Kone Mouse 1x G15 Keyboard 1x USB Cooler for my snus and other stuff all of those sucking some extra power off the PSU. With 100% load on like everything except the drives and the spare harddisks I've yet to run into a single power down. To just say it again... - clean your case - lower all the graphic setings - clean up the cables in your case to improve airflow - get some temperature monitoring software (most mainboards got them on the tools/drivers disc) - install additional case fans (this is for advanced users) - manually crank up the fans for your CPU/GPU if temperatures get too high - underclock your GPU/CPU (this is for experts only who know what they're doing) What temperatures your system can handle are very dependent on the hardware. In 90% of the cases I've diagnosed so far the system gets unstable (BSODs and hangups) before anything even tries to fry. From my experience especially ATI cards seem to get unstable beyond 70¦C while my nVidia is handling 83¦C right now fairly well. Another thing that can happen is that it's not the usual hardware piece that fails but rather some other stuff like RAM because the hot air from other hardware creates hotspots that don't get cooled by the case fans. If your PSU fails please ask some hardware geek what type and brand of PSU you should buy
dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:26:00 - [147] Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 17:35:14 Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 17:33:19 JT Black...You have still not brought anything of worth to the tableà.You still seem to me missing the point...people will complain, thatÆs the nature of humans. If something does not go our way we tend to complain. Hardware burning out/overheating is poor cooling issues and/or combined with a power supply that is not capable of powering the systemà.I am not theorising, this is fact. The fact that Calar ianÆs pc seems to be cooled adequately based on his previous posts (although no confirmation if it was stuck in a computer desk cupboard or not), my guess would be his PSU was not capable of running his system, having no clarity on this however, it is just a guess. I have explained poor performance PSUÆs in a previous thread and explained why mine blew, luckily I only lost the PSU, so I do have 1st hand experience in how to overheat and blow PC components. This is one reason why I am posting on these threads à.not to start an argument with a total stranger, but to try and advise other people on how they should check their temps, do system stress tests, check what their PC power usage is, and calculate what their PSU is actually capable of. Example on PSUÆs SIMPLE FACT ..CALDAR IANS PSU WAS NOT ENOUGH TO RUN HIS SYSTEM AT FULL LOAD. THE BELOW EXAMPLE (1ST ONE) INCLUDES THE PSU HE WAS USING IN HIS PC, HIS PC RUNNING FULL LOAD CPU, GPU AND HIGH RAM USAGE WOULD REQUIRE MINIMUM OF CIRCA 390 WATTS ON THE 12 VOLT RAIL TO WORK CORRECTLY http://shop.aktiscomputing.co.uk/colors-it-750w-gold-low-noise-psu-pfc-12cm-fan-sata-366-p.asp The above PSU is what caldar ian was usingàits sold as a 750 watt supply it has 420 watts on the 12 volt rail, real life environment at best you are gonna get 336 watts from it, in reality in a warm place over 25 degrees C room temp, well under 300 watts. http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/powersupplies/Corsair/CMPSU-500CXUK.html The above PSU is sold as a 600 watt supply it has 408 12 volt rail, continuous real environment so you will get 408 watts from it. The second one is far superior to the firstà.reason; the first has 420 watts on the 12v rail (which is where power for CPU and GPU comes from, most important) it also is only rated at 420 watts at a temp of circa 30 degrees C, it will run in the region of 40-60 degrees C depending on the environment, so at best assume you will get 80% of that power which makes 336 watts The second PSU is rated at 408 watts on the 12 volt rail, however this one is rated at operating temp, which from memory on corsair PSUÆs is 60 degrees C, basically you will get exactly what it states on the box. Fact, if you buy a computer off the shelf from a PC shop, you will probably get a worse PSu that the Colorsit one I mentioned above, as colorsit or their new brand CIT are sorta top of the range, low specification PSUs. I donÆt like saying this, but there is no excuse for doing research on the internet, checking what you buy and educating yourself on how PCÆs work 1.MY PC is a pretty standard run of the mill PC, Q6600 overclocked to 3.6ghz, 2 HD4850s, 850watt corsair PSU, 2gb DDR 800 Ramà.nothing special...am I **ed of with the crappy performance and issues with Incarna..YES. But what do you want? Eve to stay static based on several year old techÆ...to suite people with low end computers 2.Thanks for the heads up on my mental ability but no I donÆt think I am simple, and certainly not in denialàdenial of what thoÆ IÆm not sure 3.Im not wasting your timeà.if you donÆt wanna respond to me then donÆt, otherwise you are wasting your time Generally in the gaming industry if things donÆt evolve they tend to not last very long, this is not me defending CCP, as IÆm as **ed off as most people over all this. BUTàplenty of other users have offered a multitude of more than likely reasons for the ops problems, namely heat due to poor cooling or power supply issues. And a loa
dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:28:00 - [148] imagine, reflecting on the pretty much constant toons logged into eve before and after the Incarna patch on a daily basis. How am I supposed to resolve the OPS problem JT Black? As unfortunately his PC has already died and thatÆs it. Am I sorry for him losing valuable components in his PCàyes. But thatÆs all done and finished nowàWhat I have been doing and other members is offering some basic sound advise, on how OTHER people might be able to avoid the same problem. I agree that some 'general pc users' do not entertain temps & voltage etc, that is one issue in itself. The main issue however is that if a PC component burns out playing a game or anything else for that matter then its not fit for purpose, and if it was bought from a shop thatÆs where it should go straight back to, and if itÆs a self build PC then the builder should really go back to the drawing board and learn how to build an adequately cooled and powered PC. I know I test things before I start using them on a daily basis, there are numerous websites dedicated to stress testing PCs for this very thing. I will give you a quick simple analogyàsay you bought a lawnmower, and your grass was quite longàand the lawnmower broke/burnt outàwhen cutting it would you shake your fist at the grass because it was too long or would you take it straight back to the shop, telling them the thing does not cut grass? Higher specification PCÆs mean nothing in this instance, if they are not cooled and powered adequately even the best PC in the world will break.
dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:49:00 - [149] Originally by: Demon Flames dankeeys You sound mad ? Are you mad ? hehe, no I'm not mad mate...just trying to help a bit where I can
JT Black Amarr ALPHA REACTION	Posted - 2011.06.26 23:39:00 - [150] Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 18:22:53 Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 17:35:14 Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 17:33:19

Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.27 03:00:00 - [151] Confirming CQ was the likely culprit for blowing up my NV GTX 280. I'm actually not mad because it was kind of overdue for an upgrade, but really sad way for it to go. Seems the TIM on the VRAM got too hot and fried a couple modules. The computer ran fine on desktop and even ran FurMark (which uses very little VRAM) but whenever I got into a game for more than five minutes, instant system failure. CQ was pushing my NV card to 105C. ___ Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator
The Illuminist Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.27 04:56:00 - [152] Edited by: The Illuminist on 27/06/2011 04:57:11 Confirming this as well. Mine went from 45C to 103C before I force quit Eve out of concern for my rig. Within 20 seconds I was almost back down to 45C after force quitting. i7 2630 2Ghz 12GB DDR2 GeForce GTX 460 Fans went ape**. When I checked Speedfan, it was reporting all temps in my system had gone bat** high. I don't recall how high my CPU got, but yeah. It is an issue.
Pwnership Caldari Creampie Surprise	Posted - 2011.06.27 06:16:00 - [153] Edited by: Pwnership on 27/06/2011 06:18:03 Hello Caldar Ian. Not to put you down or anything, but here is my input. A patch to a game, a game, a program, anything that is used to make a CPU run @ any percentage should never break your pc. You should be able to run your CPU @ 100% load indefinitely with no problems. That's why most of us hardcore gamers/PC users like to break our CPU's in with a program like Prime95 to make them achieve their highest temperatures or to 'break them in'. Which is what I do. I know that with all 6 cores of my CPU my temps should never get above 53 deg C, with my room @ 72 degrees F. Obviously with my room getting warmer at any given time I know that I have quite a bit of room for it to get hotter. That being said, you never want to see anything over 60C with your CPU. GPU's can get a little hotter but nevertheless you don't want that either. You NEVER want to use a stock CPU cooler in any case, no matter what anyone tells you. (Flame on if you like, those who know, know)Especially intel coolers. Better off using a wad of aluminum. Stock CPU coolers suck, they are just the bare minimum. When I build a computer be it for a customer, myself, whoever, I always buy an aftermarket COPPER cpu cooler to go with it all. Then once its all together, you test it, putting Arctic Silver 5 or the like on as thermal paste and make sure it is seated properly. The Xbox 360 is well known for its cooling issues and the same thing goes for this, if Micro**** would have just made the fan stay at a constant 12v instead of 5-12v variable, and maybe complete copper heat sinks, they would have been in line with PS3 and Wii @ around a 5-10% failure rate, whereas they didn't, so they are @ a 53% failure rate. That being said, a patch can never be at fault for making your pc overheat, or unless it has some code in it to just shut your fans down for you, and in that case maybe I could see it happening. But in all reality anything relatively new should have some kind of temperature shutdown in the BIOS settings. All I'm saying, is that CCP won't even give you back a ship you lost because it shows nothing in their logs, and I bet they are going to tell you that they see nothing in their logs about your PC blowing up either :P If you need any help regarding your current setup, you know how to get ahold of me in game. Good luck man, and sorry to hear. EDIT: I am not saying you won't have problems with new patches, BSOD's, file errors, crashes, whatever the case, I'm jsut saying that a patch won't melt your PC/Graphics card if properly cared for.
Duvida Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:16:00 - [154] I'm running an HP Pavilion mated to an Nvidia 9800 GT. Prior to this update, I was able to run EVE with no issue. Now, if I run CQ, the video card's temperature climbs and climbs. So I had to turn CQ off. Unfortunately, running in space itself actually runs my video card a few degrees hotter than before the update. Not so hot that I'm worried, but the card is now working harder that previously. Learning...
dankeeys	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:53:00 - [155] Originally by: JT Black Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 18:22:53 Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 17:35:14 Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 17:33:19 Numerous edits, cos the stupid text message windows keeps changing my 's in f's and I was trying to change them to read correctly
Pyrna Elkali	Posted - 2011.06.28 05:14:00 - [156] Edited by: Pyrna Elkali on 28/06/2011 05:21:44 Edited by: Pyrna Elkali on 28/06/2011 05:19:49 Edited by: Pyrna Elkali on 28/06/2011 05:18:42 Edited by: Pyrna Elkali on 28/06/2011 05:17:13 Strange at all .... as said in another post i run a phenom II X6 wit a gtx 460 (OC) 8gig ram a 460w Psu Win7 x64 and .... no problems at all in CQ or no overheat (and i have a HP microtower with only one case fan and a generic amd cpu cooler ...) in multi or single client ... also MB/Cpu/Gpu have security who cant be change by a game : it wont frie until you change the settings, it will reset shutdown whatever but never frie also how come that different people with similar setup have different state .... (problems/no problems) current temp (stable over 3 hours) cpu 5core at 26 degree and 15% charge 1core at 30 degree at 25% charge Gpu 56 degree at 70% charge 200fps in space 35-50fps in CQ (also my temp are 2-3 degree cooler than before incarna ... weird) ( seen the Xbox360 faillure status ... i guess im just lucky .... i have no issue with mine or ... im just more cautious about cooling and airflow )
Pyrna Elkali	Posted - 2011.06.28 05:35:00 - [157] Originally by: Darwin Edison Ouch. There definitely seems to be something going on with AMD processors. My system has a Phenom II x4 965. With two instances of the game running, the four cores never go over about 75% utilization for more than a second or two at a time (as reported by AMD System Montior), but the CPU temperature climbs from it's normal idle temperature of 43c until it plateaus around 64/65 (reported by Asus PC Probe II). It's never gone over 55c running multiple instances of EVE (or any other game for that matter) in the past. well no ... since i run as said above a amd system X6 not X4 (again same setup and no problems/problems ) the problem is elsewhere.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:25:00 - [158] I have had my petition response, Obviously I am not allowed to post GM replies here but it wasn't a surprise. This game is going to go down hill fast if MT for non vanity item's happens / When it does I wont be playing any more, the game has already cost me ú250 for a new MB and CPU. --------------------------------- Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Smodab Ongalot Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:12:00 - [159] Edited by: Smodab Ongalot on 28/06/2011 14:15:37 Edited by: Smodab Ongalot on 28/06/2011 14:12:12 This thread is so full of misconceptions and incorrect conclusions, I don't know where to start... There is the "dangerous patch" guy a page or two back, thanks to him for putting a smile on my face this morning. :) I've heard Incarna referred to by many names, but "DANGEROUS!" is a first for me. There are the "don't listen to the tech guru" people; sometimes a statement is just to idiotic to rebut. You are telling me to ignore the people with knowledge and experience, and listen to the people who are guessing, speculating, and assuming. Why don't you try thinking about that for a while... I can understand how you might think Incarna killed your computer. Your computer died shortly after running the game, so it's reasonable to think that "I did A" and then "B happened" therefore "A must have caused B". What you have to realize is that the system is much more complicated than that. The most likely explanation for your situation is that your computer had some underlying problem. There is no doubt that Incarna is substantially more taxing on computer hardware than any previous expansion; therefore this extra load likely aggravated what ever underlying issue you had causing the failure. Let me give you a practical example. I have a hairline fracture in my tibia (leg bone) that has existed without my knowledge for sometime. I normally walk everywhere I go, and for years I've had no problems walking. One day I am late for the bus and I sprint to catch it. While sprinting, my leg breaks and I collapse to the ground. You would claim that running broke my leg, but in reality the hairline fracture is the culprit. Running just aggravated the underlying issue to failure. TL;DR: You had some issue with your computer that you did not know about and that is the underlying cause of your computer failure. edit: 3ghz AMD X2 is overclocked, right? I'm an admitted intel fanboi, so I do not know much about AMD models.
Jilnor Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:24:00 - [160] I can confirm CQ puts unusual load to CPU and most likely a memory bus. I have a quad-core system (AMD Athlon II X4) with 6G of memory and still one client with CQ enabled makes the whole machine laggy; there's plenty of CPU power left, plenty of memory, no disk activity... but still CQ enabled makes some other program stutter and lag. Disable CQ, all runs smooth. So something is borked in CQ. I could live with each EVE taking one CPU core to 100% (which is what they do with CQ, some 40-55% of one core without it), but filling the buses with crap goes over the top. Turn off CQ, run EVE, CPU stays around 45C, turn on CQ on one EVE and CPU climbs over 65C. This being said, it's easy to disable it _and_ healthy system will not break under any kind of CPU load. But if you want me to re-enable it, you will need to tweak it a bit.

IndustrieMogul	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:40:00 - [161] I have Critical overheat problems with EVE CQ,too: temperatur from 55C up to over 96C in 2 minutes ! WTF ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 6/28/2011, 19:32:37 Machine name: JAN5366-PC1 Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 Language: German (Regional Setting: German) System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. System Model: GA-MA785GT-UD3H Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.4GHz Memory: 8192MB RAM Page File: 2664MB used, 13714MB available DirectX Version: DirectX 11 DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode --------------- Display Devices --------------- Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce GTX 480 Display Memory: 4063 MB Dedicated Memory: 1503 MB Shared Memory: 2559 MB Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz) Monitor Name: AOC V22 Monitor Model: F22 Monitor Id: AOC2200 Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz) Output Type: DVI Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um Driver File Version: 8.17.0012.7533 (English) Driver Version: 8.17.12.7533 DDI Version: 11 Driver Model: WDDM 1.1 Driver Attributes: Final Retail Driver Date/Size: 5/25/2011 09:25:23, 15223912 bytes WHQL Logo'd: Yes
serrie	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:50:00 - [162] What is CQ? I can only run one client on mine....and i thought it was TQ! :)
Tommbo	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:21:00 - [163] Originally by: IndustrieMogul I have Critical overheat problems with EVE CQ,too: temperatur from 55C up to over 96C in 2 minutes ! WTF ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 6/28/2011, 19:32:37 Machine name: JAN5366-PC1 Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 Language: German (Regional Setting: German) System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. System Model: GA-MA785GT-UD3H Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.4GHz Memory: 8192MB RAM Page File: 2664MB used, 13714MB available DirectX Version: DirectX 11 DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode --------------- Display Devices --------------- Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce GTX 480 Display Memory: 4063 MB Dedicated Memory: 1503 MB Shared Memory: 2559 MB Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz) Monitor Name: AOC V22 Monitor Model: F22 Monitor Id: AOC2200 Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz) Output Type: DVI Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um Driver File Version: 8.17.0012.7533 (English) Driver Version: 8.17.12.7533 DDI Version: 11 Driver Model: WDDM 1.1 Driver Attributes: Final Retail Driver Date/Size: 5/25/2011 09:25:23, 15223912 bytes WHQL Logo'd: Yes That's the normal operating temp for a GTX 480. Here's a review with load temps etc: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/29/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_480_super_overclock_review
Pyrna Elkali	Posted - 2011.06.29 16:57:00 - [164] Edited by: Pyrna Elkali on 29/06/2011 17:03:32 Originally by: Jilnor I can confirm CQ puts unusual load to CPU and most likely a memory bus. I have a quad-core system (AMD Athlon II X4) with 6G of memory and still one client with CQ enabled makes the whole machine laggy; there's plenty of CPU power left, plenty of memory, no disk activity... but still CQ enabled makes some other program stutter and lag. Disable CQ, all runs smooth. So something is borked in CQ. I could live with each EVE taking one CPU core to 100% (which is what they do with CQ, some 40-55% of one core without it), but filling the buses with crap goes over the top. Turn off CQ, run EVE, CPU stays around 45C, turn on CQ on one EVE and CPU climbs over 65C. This being said, it's easy to disable it _and_ healthy system will not break under any kind of CPU load. But if you want me to re-enable it, you will need to tweak it a bit. n.o. since i have 26 degree ( all core or like that) with or without CQ and i've tested and recorded data during 5hrs play primary point ... why you think its the game who broke since ... i run quite similary setup in a crappy retail HP case with no tweak in cooling and have 20 degree lower temp than you .... also 60fps in CQ in interval immediate .... search the error elsewhere (reminding Phenom II X6 1035T (95w tdp) psu 460w 80m plus, EVGA gtx 460 SC ( oc to a FTW level) 8gig ram, all on a 780g mobo ( with a 1.5tb HDD 7200rpm sata2 basic) cooling : one 80mm rear and generic amd cooler for cpu)(also switching my psu stored all my loose cable in 2 little tube wich enhance the innexistant cooling by 2 and 2xnothing its big, considering your "perfectly but not so" cooled setup)
Pyrna Elkali	Posted - 2011.06.29 17:11:00 - [165] Originally by: serrie Edited by: serrie on 28/06/2011 19:04:06 I can only run one client on my since the upgrade....and my display driver crashes if I open Character selection also...and EVERYTHING is on minimum settings. CCP, You always think you'll fart but you're always gonna **** yourself! One day you MIGHT get things right first try....I won't hold my breath though! error from display driver .... you said it ... for the lulz i run'd eve with some setting to high and other lowering to gain a bit fps cq enabled on a Zotac Zbox-HD01 (playlinux on ubuntu 11.04 amd64) spec : 4gig ddr2 800mhz AMD athlon Neo X2 1.5ghz ati radeon HD3200 (optimised driver from AMD for ubuntu) (in a netop box 18cmx18cm cooled with the single cpu fan ( who look like a low end gpu cooler xD ) temp 40 degree both cpu 45 degree gpu space 100fps CQ 30fps (still quite smooth) tried dual client well a netop is not made for this but as i've seen i can use my primary desktop for main acc and the netop fopr a alt (salvager/hauler/prober)
Pwnership Caldari Creampie Surprise	Posted - 2011.06.29 19:36:00 - [166] Originally by: IndustrieMogul I have Critical overheat problems with EVE CQ,too: temperatur from 55C up to over 96C in 2 minutes ! WTF ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 6/28/2011, 19:32:37 Machine name: JAN5366-PC1 Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 Language: German (Regional Setting: German) System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. System Model: GA-MA785GT-UD3H Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.4GHz Memory: 8192MB RAM Page File: 2664MB used, 13714MB available DirectX Version: DirectX 11 DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode --------------- Display Devices --------------- Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce GTX 480 Display Memory: 4063 MB Dedicated Memory: 1503 MB Shared Memory: 2559 MB Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz) Monitor Name: AOC V22 Monitor Model: F22 Monitor Id: AOC2200 Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz) Output Type: DVI Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um Driver File Version: 8.17.0012.7533 (English) Driver Version: 8.17.12.7533 DDI Version: 11 Driver Model: WDDM 1.1 Driver Attributes: Final Retail Driver Date/Size: 5/25/2011 09:25:23, 15223912 bytes WHQL Logo'd: Yes The GTX 480's run hot, which is why I bought an aftermarket cooler for mine, mine never ran with the stock one as I had read several reviews stating this fact. So do yourself a favor, buy a aftermarket cooler for the 480, Zalman does an exceptional job. Will drop your temps by half if not more. The bottom line is HEAT is electrical parts worst enemy. You want to take as much of it away as possible. Those stating that 'I only have 1 fan and I only go up to yadda, yadda, yadda..' Bottom line is if you had 4 fans correctly installed and more air pushing you would be running a lot cooler and therefore saving/extending the life of your products. Also, the wrong or insufficient voltage from a PSU (power supply) in your PC can not only 'blow up' your pc it can also make components HOTTER. Do like I do, if your system requires a 500 watt PSU get a 700, and dont get Bob's Power Supply because it says its 1000 watts and its 39.99. Get a name brand, OCZ, Coolermaster, ETC, yea you will pay more, but ultimately it will perform 10x better. PSU is the 1 component in a computer where 99% of people cheap out on. That is where I tend to start. Right now I am rocking a 1000 watt Coolermaster. Just my .02
Fedeye Kin	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:59:00 - [167] i was having overheat and bsod issues with CQs but after the patch the other day ive no problem anymore! \o/
Skywalker Minmatar MAFIA War and Pestilence	Posted - 2011.06.30 19:26:00 - [168] Incarna BBQ ate my laptop's graphic card. Odd dots all over screen even after a total wipe/reinstall of win7 (and yes i had XP before wipe so tried both now). In XP the computer hung all the time, without dots, in W7 i got dots, and screen hangs within minutes. E6320 Laptop, latest drivers. Should i send petition ? can't run dxdiag before it hangs. What do you recommend ? I think CCP should reimburse someway.
Tommbo	Posted - 2011.06.30 20:01:00 - [169] Originally by: Skywalker Incarna BBQ ate my laptop's graphic card. Odd dots all over screen even after a total wipe/reinstall of win7 (and yes i had XP before wipe so tried both now). In XP the computer hung all the time, without dots, in W7 i got dots, and screen hangs within minutes. E6320 Laptop, latest drivers. Should i send petition ? can't run dxdiag before it hangs. What do you recommend ? I think CCP should reimburse someway. RMA your laptop. Assuming you have not tampered with the laptop and didn't violate the terms of the warranty, their product should be able to operate as advertised. It sounds like the cooling was unable to keep up while under high load (btw this is a fairly common issue). In the future you may want to invest in a laptop cooler to help circulate air. It's fairly common for laptops to have heat issues (hence the market for laptop coolers), but most manufacturers bank on the fact that users rarely stress their hardware enough to run into issues.
Mabah Vin	Posted - 2011.06.30 20:38:00 - [170] Originally by: Skywalker Incarna BBQ ate my laptop's graphic card. Odd dots all over screen even after a total wipe/reinstall of win7 (and yes i had XP before wipe so tried both now). In XP the computer hung all the time, without dots, in W7 i got dots, and screen hangs within minutes. E6320 Laptop, latest drivers. Should i send petition ? can't run dxdiag before it hangs. What do you recommend ? I think CCP should reimburse someway. On my laptop I have to clean it every 2 months or so. Dust will collect in the CPU fan and prevent cooling.(Same goes with desktops.) Clean it out and try it.. If you don't know how, take it to a tech. It's cheap maintenance. Also there are cooling pads for laptops you might want to look into. Good luck.

Dr Manufactorium	Posted - 2011.07.06 23:22:00 - [171] EVERYONE THIS LAST EXPANSION WORKS LIKE A CHARM !! NO BUGS NO CRASHES NO OVERHEATING !!! I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE HAVE BURNED CARDS OR OTHER COMPONENTS...JESUS ! IT IS PERFECT , A JEWEL , WE LOVE YOU LONG CCP , FOREVER ! NEVER STOP WALKING IN STATIONS, EVER ! ITS ALL OUR FAULT WERE HAVING THESE ISSUES ........!!!
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.07.11 19:36:00 - [172] Quote: Patch Notes Build 273475 to 277036 addresses Patch Notes for Incarna 1.0.2 Released Tuesday, July 12, 2011. The following are the relevant file sizes for client updates: Windows from Incarna 1.0.1 to Incarna 1.0.2 is 9 MB Windows full client 4.5 GB Mac from Incarna 1.0.1 to Incarna 1.0.2 is approximately 9 MB Mac full client 5.9 GB Table of Contents FIXES Technical A number of general and hardware specific optimizations of the station environment have improved performance. Users should experience reduced CPU/GPU temperatures while in the Captains Quarters. Mac Non-rendering item icons that disabled drag & drop or scroll bar functionality have now been fixed. Patch notes to late for so many of us --------------------------------- Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
Sixtyniner North Star Networks The Kadeshi	Posted - 2011.07.11 19:43:00 - [173] Edited by: Sixtyniner on 11/07/2011 19:43:49 I know that many will disagree, but I blame CQ as well. Since I starting playing, updated to Incarna, my GPU/Computer as gone bananas. Clear signs of overheating, now with permanent damage as it seems. As I disclaimer, my CPU/GPU have run in 100% load maaany times before, with no problems what so ever. So there is something really wrong with Incarna, though not everyone seem to have this problem. Well, now I can¦t play my usual games either.
Voyager Aurgnet	Posted - 2011.07.11 22:59:00 - [174] Originally by: Sixtyniner Edited by: Sixtyniner on 11/07/2011 19:43:49 Clear signs of overheating, now with permanent damage as it seems. Well, now I can¦t play my usual games either. First I want to say that I totally agree that currently the game is using allot more resources then it really should and the the GPU has to do way to much work. But I find it stupid to read that you yell that EVE damaged your GPU. If you haven't overclocked or unlocked your card with extra pipes and you use a good cooler that their is no way your GPU has permanent damage. Standard GPU's (not modified) are made to run 100% stressed and even protected for being overheated, this would result to a total system crash. So I find it very annoying to read that some say EVE damaged their GPU.
Tarron DiValerian	Posted - 2011.07.12 07:14:00 - [175] I remember similar complaints about StarCraft II, and having played that game as well I can easily see (or hear, in that case the graphics card's vent) why. People complained that StarCraft II fried their systems as well, because they heated up during the cutscene sequences or the on-ship mission selection. I think these problems were similar to what we're facing here. In short words, the graphics card and the processor are tasked with rendering a rather simple scene and have nothing else to do. Framerates go up, the complete rendering and memory access pipeline becomes stressed, components heat up. The solution would be to impose a framerate limit, and I'm asking myself why something like that isn't part of the driver configuration - something like "maximum frame rate allowed"?
Voyager Aurgnet	Posted - 2011.07.12 17:26:00 - [176] If that is the issue... their are some frame rate limiter programs for nVidia cards. Search on google :)
Sixtyniner North Star Networks The Kadeshi	Posted - 2011.07.12 19:36:00 - [177] Originally by: Voyager Aurgnet Originally by: Sixtyniner Edited by: Sixtyniner on 11/07/2011 19:43:49 Clear signs of overheating, now with permanent damage as it seems. Well, now I can¦t play my usual games either. First I want to say that I totally agree that currently the game is using allot more resources then it really should and the the GPU has to do way to much work. But I find it stupid to read that you yell that EVE damaged your GPU. If you haven't overclocked or unlocked your card with extra pipes and you use a good cooler that their is no way your GPU has permanent damage. Standard GPU's (not modified) are made to run 100% stressed and even protected for being overheated, this would result to a total system crash. So I find it very annoying to read that some say EVE damaged their GPU. I know it sounds weirds, but this is what I believe as of now. I can say that I¦ve been building my own rigs since I was 13, so I am not new at computer components. Also my GPU was not OC¦d and had a better cooling installed on it other than the standard one. My GPU temp has never gone past 56-58 degrees, which is not much for a GPU. I too have a hard time finding EVE the cause of this, but it really seems that there¦s something to it.
YaSiS Caldari The Tetragrammaton.	Posted - 2011.07.13 17:21:00 - [178] Edited by: YaSiS on 13/07/2011 17:27:08 Edited by: YaSiS on 13/07/2011 17:23:25 im Running on AMD 6950@6970 bios flash and overclocked 950 mhz, cpu amd phenom 2 6core 2800@3600 no temps problem, im playing on 1920x1080 max ccc settings 16x af 24x aa with edge detect high Quality mipmap etc. Gfx cpu all running cool all the time no problems at all. using haf 932 high tower windtunnel :) cpu cooled by Noctua ND-D14 , GFX stock cooling fanspeed 50% temps max 60 degrees with Vsync on because i dont need 300 fps ingame. (i have cool and Quite enabled)
ElectroDynamicz	Posted - 2011.07.23 13:38:00 - [179] I always hate to hear of someone frying their puter parts, so my condolences go out to those individuals. I've been there, albeit years ago. My current setup is an Msi GD70, 4gb OCZ ddr1600 1.9v @7.7.7, amd 1090t with Xigmatek HDT, and dual HD4980 which has been running stable as a rock for over 2 years. Eve heavily taxes my gpu temps without my fans manually set high enough to literally blow my hair back and annoy my next door neighbors. But that's ok because I don't like my neighbors and I usually wear headphones anyways. I still play this game because it keeps growing and keeps getting better. With growing comes growing pains. In the past I've eaten a few video card receipts, and that can happen for any number of reasons. At least I know now to create a solid buffer between simple failure, and epic failure. You can't blame a software developer for hardware issues. That's why most of us test the heck out our systems before we run any new robust software, albeit out-of-box, or updates/expansions.
MetalHermit	Posted - 2011.08.13 00:34:00 - [180] Edited by: MetalHermit on 13/08/2011 00:35:23 Clean the heating sinks on your cards if you haven't opened your case for awhile. I have an overclocked 9800gtx and eve was the first game to overheat my card, temps rose up to 90 at which point graphics corrupted, took the card out and blew the cooling sink clean of dust, and now my card goes up to 73 under load in eve which is normal. Was even higher with out of the box settings but i modified my cooling settings to set the fan usage/heat curve more agressive so it's keeps cooler idling and under load, but doesn't idle to noisily.

Wile EC	Posted - 2011.08.13 16:15:00 - [181] Originally by: Duvida I'm running an HP Pavilion mated to an Nvidia 9800 GT. Prior to this update, I was able to run EVE with no issue. Now, if I run CQ, the video card's temperature climbs and climbs. So I had to turn CQ off. Unfortunately, running in space itself actually runs my video card a few degrees hotter than before the update. Not so hot that I'm worried, but the card is now working harder that previously. You could be a poster child for how not to setup a gaming computer. You cannot buy some crap "Sunday Sale" "multi-media" computer, stick a high end graphics card in it and expect it to not fry at load. I'm running an Alienware Aurora R3 with liguid cooling, and 875 watt power supply and wind tunnnels for my dual nividas. I can 4 x CQ and the computer idles at 23-25 centegrade. Now you know that Sunday special is no gaming computer
Voyager Aurgnet	Posted - 2011.08.14 18:28:00 - [182] Edited by: Voyager Aurgnet on 14/08/2011 18:28:20 Edited by: Voyager Aurgnet on 14/08/2011 18:27:57 Maybe not everyone has the money for a computer like you have? Maybe some people just want to play Eve and not buy a complete computer store? Eve states the minimum requirements so if you have those it should work otherwise they could delete those requirements and put the text 'we don't know' in the place.
Alirissa Arji	Posted - 2011.08.15 00:48:00 - [183] Edited by: Alirissa Arji on 15/08/2011 00:49:06 So... System Specs: Intel Core I5 2500k @ stock. with stock cooler(never goes above 48c even at turbo 3.7, even with two copies of eve in CQ AND guildwars AND League of legends running all at once.) MSI Z68A-GD65 Motherboard G.skill Ripjaws X 1600 8gb(2x4gb)RAM EVGA GTX 260(Reaches about 77C with above load setup.) Kingwin Lazer Gold 850 watts Power supply unit(PSU) Everything is max. Not sure whats wrong, but if you have pc problems, look up overclockers for help with hardware. your Power supply unit is probably to blame, from the sounds of most of your problems with entire systems dying. Spike in voltage of 300 or so=death to pc. You may not overclock your stuff, but because of their overclocking experience, they have a wealth of knowledge involving pc failure, so you may find useful info.
Toramaline	Posted - 2011.08.15 21:01:00 - [184] Having the same issues as reported by many players, my gpu gets to 107' when running eve (max temp with any other game 92 or 93') and at that point it just switches the laptop off. Have hoovered and made sure dust isn't the prob, up until incarna eve always played fine on my lappy but this issue is seriously getting worrying. My fathers laptop has already burnt out whilst playing eve and again only whilst incarna was running. EvE software is now something I will seriously start to question. Oh and before peeps say "it's your equipment" I've played eve successfully on this lappy for over a year with no problems whatsoever.


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