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Runa Sigrun	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:23:00 - [1] This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time in a grocery store while going to school, and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop *****ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix?
Rakamy Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:27:00 - [2] +1 for the truth
I Love Boobies Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:28:00 - [3] Dude, you missed the point totally. Many people with top of the line graphic cards are having extreme heating issues, not just people with outdated cards. Even with vsync adjusted the way you proclaim it should be adjusted. And besides, no one really cares about you working in a grocery store, or that you're going to school. And by the looks of things, you need to find a better school, or at least a better spelling teacher.
Louis deGuerre Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:28:00 - [4] Leave your mother's basement and get your own place. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:30:00 - [5] A GTX 260 4gb machine with DUAL CORE CPUs cannot play Incarna but it can play Crysis? That's fine?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:31:00 - [6] Confirming that Crysis 2 gets better FPS compared to the EVE CQ environment at maxed-out graphics settings for both. How exactly would you "cap the FPS at 60" (to reduce heat) when you barely GET 60 FPS to begin with ?!? And what if vsynch on caps FPS at 120 or 85 instead of 60, because your monitor can handle more than 60Hz ? Welcome to some time ago - what to do so CQ isn't universally hated. CQ is sort of nice, I guess. But lack of options, mandatory nature = INSTAHATE You guys never listen early enough nor make noise strong enough when it matters. Guess what, even the "(do not) load station environment" is supposed to be TEMPORARY only. Quick recap, in case CCP insists on keeping CQ the default environment : * MANDATORY - separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently * MANDATORY - keep the ESC menu option to not load any environment at all * STRONGLY PREFERRED - add some even lower graphics detail levels for CQ * OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY DESIRABLE - do not delete the current hangar environments AND make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
kongking wang Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:32:00 - [7] Edited by: kongking wang on 22/06/2011 13:34:16 Originally by: Runa Sigrun Edited by: Runa Sigrun on 22/06/2011 13:28:45 This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop *****ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix? i wish i was at school with a part time job where i can spend all i earn on new stuff.. get a grip. your barely in the real world. not everyone can spend their hard earned cash on upgrades just because ccp or some kid says so. besides as people have stated. alot of us have fairly decent setups but when it comes to cq we might aswell be running eve on a commadore 64
Alice Katsuko Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:33:00 - [8] Maybe some of us don't want to shell out $200 for a new graphics card when the existing one runs perfectly fine everything but CQ? Even high-end graphics cards are experiencing heating issues, and virtually no system in existence can run multiple instances of CQ without any sort of trouble at decent visual settings. I'm on a laptop which runs everything I want it to run, including the actual EVE game [you know, the one with spaceships?] at good graphics settings, without any heating issues or FPS drops. A desktop wasn't and isn't an option, and in any case, why should I buy an entirely new machine just to spin an avatar in a motel room until CCP puts real gameplay into CQ at some point over the next few years?
madmax co	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Louis deGuerre Leave your mother's basement and get your own place. This ^^
Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:35:00 - [10] Throw money at your machine! That has to fix this, RIGHT? You're an idiot, the sort of person who pays for an alienware.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:36:00 - [11] I have a SOC 480GTX that laughs at your card, but have CQ turn off. Why? Because even though I like it, I don't want it every time I dock. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Aargolos Minmatar Estrale Frontiers	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:37:00 - [12] I guess he had to go back to "work"... Cleanup on isle 5!
Mar Lee An Army of None	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Runa Sigrun Edited by: Runa Sigrun on 22/06/2011 13:28:45 This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop *****ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix? Yeah, because people working for $10 an hour don't have any other expenses (like, say, food, or rent, or utilities, or gas) and can go right ahead and blow half their paycheck on a top-of-the-line graphics card to play a nine-year-old game. Just because you live in your parents' basement doesn't mean the rest of us do. If this was a different forum, I'd ask you to check your privilege and consider that, to a great many people, $200 is not chump change. But this is EVE, so I'll just call you a douchebag.
Ghurthe	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Runa Sigrun Edited by: Runa Sigrun on 22/06/2011 13:28:45 This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop ***ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix? Laptop... Also, I make more than that but I have other expenses to pay jackass, like food, and rent, and student loans. After that I hardly want to take cash out of my budget to put into a video card all because CCP screwed up and **ed me, their customer off. I'm seriously re-evaluating if I want to keep playing Eve Online. No you can't have my stuff =)
Talsha Talamar Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:42:00 - [15] Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 22/06/2011 13:44:14 So you make $1.600 before tax, health insurance, aso. (1085*4=1.600) In Germany this would leave you with about $1.100 before, water, power, rent, food, phone, net, aso. After that you would be probably looking at much less than $500. How you use that cash is of course up to you. But spending more than 1/3 of a months disposable income on a game, represents a dedication that can not and should not be expected. You notice how I try to refrain from judgment right ?
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:44:00 - [16] I heard EvEs CQ will be included in the benchmark standard on review sites of hardware. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Mehta Mezhan	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:44:00 - [17] I kinda feel like this entire update is an nVidia scam to make us buy new hardware The thread author is pompous & arrogant. I'm running completely modern hardware (quad-core i7 w/ hyperthreading, Raedon 6870). As others have said, that lineup can play Crysis and Crysis 2 with everything maxed, no problems. You cannot sit there and tell me the effects are more demanding than Crysis. The station environment is good, but let's be honest, not THAT good. Yet I'm getting terribad performance in-station unless I kill all my settings. I actually made a suggestion thread with a solution about this: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534051
Runa Sigrun	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:44:00 - [18] I dident say I never had other expenses. But if your getting a weekly check (as I am) you don't need to put 100% of it into your expenses do you.
Dotanaski	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:46:00 - [19] You're ignorant. Some of us have to pay the bills, rents, clothing, food, you call it. I don't have 200 a month leftover. And all the money I keep leftover is going into a saving for the kids, like the normal people do.
Laser Purification	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:48:00 - [20] Who'd be dumb enough to buy a new video card for a purely cosmetic addition to the game? Just turn it off.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:49:00 - [21] Nice new GTX 580 on a top flight gaming rig here and I can confirm that CQ thrashes the card fans when running more than one client. Given that prior to incarna I could run 4 clients + world of tanks in windowed mode without the thing breaking sweat I think this is hardly a "whine" about performance. CQ seems to be very poorly optimized and to make matters far worse CCP opted to remove functionality from the game for anyone wanting to turn off CQ - it is very poor that the flat graphic screen is less functional than the old hanger view. Join the Revolution!
Kaahles Deliverers of Pain	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:49:00 - [22] One problem with that 560(Ti). Although it's a pretty beefy piece of technology for it's price it won't run stuff all that nice. Still runs choppy and the framerate is not really that god (and not even nearly stable). Although I heard from a friend of mine he can run everything on max details with an 48xx radeon card (two generations older). Guess there needs to be done some serious fixing on the matter. ----------------------------- OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Contract me all your stuff so I can save it!
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:50:00 - [23] Edited by: Ciar Meara on 22/06/2011 13:50:22 Originally by: Runa Sigrun I dident say I never had other expenses. But if your getting a weekly check (as I am) you don't need to put 100% of it into your expenses do you. har, I mean honestly, you truly are clueless aren't you? If you are getting a weekly check you should try looking for a better job, not spending 200 euro's/bucks on graphics cards. ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Spc Three	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:50:00 - [24] Originally by: Runa Sigrun Edited by: Runa Sigrun on 22/06/2011 13:28:45 This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop *****ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix? So can i get a 10$ graphics card for my notebook ?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:51:00 - [25] Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 13:52:09 Yup, CCP just KILLED multiclient customers. (and single client customers) lol THE POWER OF TWO! minimum requirements,.. Disney render farm.
Hojj0	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:54:00 - [26] Im running two 6950's in crossfire across 3 screens currently. Before the CQ environment I would average aroung 220 FPS, im in the station environment right now, and im getting 39 fps with the same settings as before. there is something wrong in how they programmed the new shaders. I play crysis 2 and i get 115 on max settings on that. and there is much more going on then a few TV screens and a character on a catwalk.
Tommbo	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:55:00 - [27] Originally by: I Love Boobies Dude, you missed the point totally. Many people with top of the line graphic cards are having extreme heating issues, not just people with outdated cards. Even with vsync adjusted the way you proclaim it should be adjusted. A majority of the video card heat issues are due to poor case airflow or dust accumulation. A little spring cleaning to get the dustbunnies out of the case, and/or cracking the case open for better airflow can go a long way. Overall, I don't think CQ is overly demanding for a modern game. Crysis was released in 2007, which makes it a relic in terms of computer hardware progression.
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Runa Sigrun I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200),.... You pay rent, bills, buy food and clothes and all the other stuff on $10/hr working part-time and still have enough left over to buy a brand new $200 GFX card for one game that is currently broken? That's amazing!! Where do you live? I want to live there too!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:57:00 - [29] I can play eve fine at work (but not at home), then again I do work at Industrial Light and Magic so have access to nice hardware.
vlad0821 Artwik	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Runa Sigrun Edited by: Runa Sigrun on 22/06/2011 13:28:45 This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop *****ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix? Well the point is not the money... the point is i don't see why i should go out and buy a new graphic card just to play a game that was runing fine one day ago and that hasn't improoved a bit (well the new agent finder is cool) everything is the same exept some ugly turrets and tracktor design, ahh yes, also the pointless CQ!!!!!.
Scorpii Zenith Minmatar Ancient Heat	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Louis deGuerre Leave your mother's basement and get your own place. This!
Allura Serendipity	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Runa Sigrun Edited by: Runa Sigrun on 22/06/2011 13:28:45 This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop *****ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix? An even easier fix is cancelling my sub and saving $60 a month that can go to more important things like car payment, house payment, insurance payment, electric payment...ect ect. And no, you can't have my stuffz, I would reprocess all of my characters rather then give them to a douchbag.
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Shintai I heard EvEs CQ will be included in the benchmark standard on review sites of hardware. Of course it will, because it will force everyone to go out and buy a new GFX card or even an whole new PC. Consumerism <3.
45thtiger 0109	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:02:00 - [34] CCP did you consider people who have laptops that play eve that dont have the money to buy a new laptop. And now i have the CO-CEO and a director that cannot log in because of their laptop cannot handle INCARNA. As the Ceo of my corp the CO-CEO and the Director cannot no longer be on and that has put a big dint in our corperation. I am not happy at all that you have decided to go down this path. And our corp will loose two of our most valuable members. Allot of the eve players will be so disavantage and CCP you will loose allot of players who play this game because they cannot offord a new up to date computer or laptop.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:03:00 - [35] buying a new gpx card because they have coded it badly is like buying a ferrari because you was late to work one day due to traffic
Hojj0	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:05:00 - [36] Originally by: 45thtiger 0109 CCP did you consider people who have laptops that play eve that dont have the money to buy a new laptop. And now i have the CO-CEO and a director that cannot log in because of their laptop cannot handle INCARNA. As the Ceo of my corp the CO-CEO and the Director cannot no longer be on and that has put a big dint in our corperation. I am not happy at all that you have decided to go down this path. And our corp will loose two of our most valuable members. Allot of the eve players will be so disavantage and CCP you will loose allot of players who play this game because they cannot offord a new up to date computer or laptop. did you try having them disable the station environment in options? its on the right side of the graphics page
Issaiah Mustafa The Fornicating Assembly of Gophers and Trolls	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:09:00 - [37] To be honest, I love Incarna. I can totally use it as a stress tester for my overclocks!!! 4 clients on 4 cores! BURN BABY BURN! Prime95 can suck my balls!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:12:00 - [38] Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 14:16:52 Originally by: 45thtiger 0109 CCP did you consider people who have laptops that play eve that dont have the money to buy a new laptop. And now i have the CO-CEO and a director that cannot log in because of their laptop cannot handle INCARNA. As the Ceo of my corp the CO-CEO and the Director cannot no longer be on and that has put a big dint in our corperation. I am not happy at all that you have decided to go down this path. And our corp will loose two of our most valuable members. Allot of the eve players will be so disavantage and CCP you will loose allot of players who play this game because they cannot offord a new up to date computer or laptop. I have an ASUS G60VX, 4gb ram GTX260M , 2 CPU cores, 500gb HD. This is just barely 2 years old. I can play Crysis fine., which at least has an ending and plot Incarna, needs a little more work on the graphics core. Their pixel shader code is probably the issue they problem.. I have the in station set to low, I have it set to high, no difference. All slow. They probably have way too many particles out there too. I love incarna, its awesome, pitty a lot of customers cannot play it really. Time to dig out Crysis 2 and play that instead. Also the ship fit window lags like hell, takes forever to open up... Too many Layered calls? Too much chattyness between the new graphics layers and the Python code? Who knows, but that was put in there during Incursion 1.6 right? No laggy Ship window there, now it is laggy has hell. That means it is their new CQ environment that is the problem. Pixel shader code or particle counts. Something is rotten in their graphics engine if this is the performance it gives. My machines meeet the minimum bar by FAR... Pixel shaders the lot. Now, the success of MMO's usualy ride on their HUGE appeal and wide range of hardware it can run on. It is not the latest FPS, even they out perform Incarna.
Yahrr The Tuskers	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:14:00 - [39] Now I have to choose between a new video card and a space monocle...
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:14:00 - [40] It's cheaper to just unsub.
Mehta Mezhan	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Bomberlocks It's cheaper to just unsub.
Kentren	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:23:00 - [42] If it helps I do not always consider myself a douchebag and would gladly accept your gifts (those of you quitting the game) though lets be honest I wouldn't get to enjoy your gift as I myself find I cannot play but eh what can you do. Stupid CCP
Lidia Zarmel	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:25:00 - [43] Edited by: Lidia Zarmel on 22/06/2011 14:26:34 Starting to think this is a case by case issues as my old tower is running this without any problem. Intel dual core 1.86ghz each, 3gb of ram, ATI Radeon 5670 HD 2GB. And it runs without no lag, no overheating etc. And running OS Windows XP. The FPS is low however while in CQ. I am getting between 20 to 30 fps. Once I undock it goes back up to over 80fps. And this is with all the graphic settings turned all the way up.
FlameGlow Gypsy Band	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:28:00 - [44] GPU stress of CQ seems well out of proportion with the graphics presented. It looks much like Mass Effect 2, but stresses GPU way more. Considering it's from only 1 small room and there are no fancy effects around something is definitely wrong here.
Swynet State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:28:00 - [45] Originally by: Bomberlocks It's cheaper to just unsub. Can you please contract me your stuff and send me your isk? I have great plans for those. Thank you.
Kentren	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Swynet Originally by: Bomberlocks It's cheaper to just unsub. Can you please contract me your stuff and send me your isk? I have great plans for those. Thank you. No let them send it to me . . . wont get to enjoy it but it would be safe.
Banevenom	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Lidia Zarmel ATI Radeon 5670 HD 2GB. And it runs without no lag, no overheating etc. The FPS is low however while in CQ. I am getting between 20 to 30 fps. Once I undock it goes back up to over 80fps. And this is with all the graphic settings turned all the way up. I have a 5770 with the gfx maxxed and I get the same slower response in CQ but otherwise fine. Turning off the AA worked better for me with regards to the fitting screen but I will test a few more options and post if no one objects.
ovenproofjet Caldari Therapy.	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:31:00 - [48] I have a 560Ti bought literaly less than a week ago and Incarna has it running hot, and the thing has 2 ****ing fans on it, along with my uber cooled case.
Oosel The Nightwatch Night Coven	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:32:00 - [49] i was expecting the worst hearing all the horror stories about laptops running it so gave it my usual shot for an hour while on dinner at work....mines a msi gx700 intel centrino with an 8600m gt and it still runs eve in space its still fine with only a marginal slowness in station. my laptop is now over 3 yrs old which is quite old so why are so many having issues as my spec isnt exactly earth shattering
Myfanwy Heimdal Caldari Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:32:00 - [50] Originally by: Hojj0 Originally by: 45thtiger 0109 CCP did you consider people who have laptops that play eve that dont have the money to buy a new laptop. And now i have the CO-CEO and a director that cannot log in because of their laptop cannot handle INCARNA. As the Ceo of my corp the CO-CEO and the Director cannot no longer be on and that has put a big dint in our corperation. I am not happy at all that you have decided to go down this path. And our corp will loose two of our most valuable members. Allot of the eve players will be so disavantage and CCP you will loose allot of players who play this game because they cannot offord a new up to date computer or laptop. did you try having them disable the station environment in options? its on the right side of the graphics page If one has an All Of A Sudden Overnight Obselete Graphics Card (TM) then one can't get that far in order to disable anything. The bit that matters, i.e. the outside of the station game play, hasn't changed a bit so those with literally yesterday's cards should still be able to do yesterday's things - in other words, play the game.
Mr R4nd0m	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:34:00 - [51] you are an idiot - yeah lets run about and spend $200 on a new card just to play this expansion - f*ck off
Swynet State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:37:00 - [52] Originally by: ovenproofjet I have a 560Ti bought literaly less than a week ago and Incarna has it running hot, and the thing has 2 ****ing fans on it, along with my uber cooled case. Verify your power is about 650W Most people buy "all ready set up's" thinking the "ultra-x power tower" is nice for the cheap price they pay for it but: Most of those cheap packages are using out dated stuff, don't have the power up to let you use properly all your stuff because it lacks of watt's out put. I can defy any one with a good connexion, proper pc drivers and current stuff other than Ati video cards that I can make run 2 clients with no issues. -Ati issues mainly because of bad drivers has they always did, good base cards but drivers to run them are just pathetic.
Wa'roun Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Hojj0 Originally by: 45thtiger 0109 CCP did you consider people who have laptops that play eve that dont have the money to buy a new laptop. And now i have the CO-CEO and a director that cannot log in because of their laptop cannot handle INCARNA. As the Ceo of my corp the CO-CEO and the Director cannot no longer be on and that has put a big dint in our corperation. I am not happy at all that you have decided to go down this path. And our corp will loose two of our most valuable members. Allot of the eve players will be so disavantage and CCP you will loose allot of players who play this game because they cannot offord a new up to date computer or laptop. did you try having them disable the station environment in options? its on the right side of the graphics page This... ...and here is my system: OS NameMicrosoft Windows 7 Professional System Typex64-based PC ProcessorAMD Phenom(tm) II X2 550 Processor, 3100 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/DateAmerican Megatrends Inc. V1.15, 3/4/2011 SMBIOS Version2.6 Installed Physical Memory (RAM)8.00 GB NameATI Radeon HD 3800 Series Adapter RAM512.00 MB (536,870,912 bytes) Driver Version8.831.2.0 Resolution1920 x 1080 x 59 hertz Bits/Pixel32 I play EverQuest II just fine yet this CQ, and only the CQ, causes my computer to shut down after a period of time. It will not turn back on until 5-10 minutes later.
Kentren	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:38:00 - [54] Edited by: Kentren on 22/06/2011 14:38:49 Originally by: Mr R4nd0m you are an idiot - yeah lets run about and spend $200 on a new card just to play this expansion - f*ck off OOOO I love you . . . no I really do. Um side note aside from my love of your opinion nice av :-)
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Oosel i was expecting the worst hearing all the horror stories about laptops running it so gave it my usual shot for an hour while on dinner at work....mines a msi gx700 intel centrino with an 8600m gt and it still runs eve in space its still fine with only a marginal slowness in station. my laptop is now over 3 yrs old which is quite old so why are so many having issues as my spec isnt exactly earth shattering Its the multi-clienting is the problem which is ironic that while the biz-devs are busily trying to claw our money from our cold dead hands with the CQ display case items they are merrily shooting themselves in the foot by making multi-client users fry their graphics cards rather than allowing a working functional alternative to CQ ... ie the hanger view we had yesterday! I'm be interested to see how many multi client subs they will lose against increased income from expensive monacles for the hyper rich idiots. Join the Revolution!
Vycra	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:41:00 - [56] Playing at 5280x1050 with 2x2 SSAA & 8xQ MSAA. All settings at max on 2 GTX 460's I get 35 FPS or so in CQ, which seems about right.
Wa'roun Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal Originally by: Hojj0 Originally by: 45thtiger 0109 CCP did you consider people who have laptops that play eve that dont have the money to buy a new laptop. And now i have the CO-CEO and a director that cannot log in because of their laptop cannot handle INCARNA. As the Ceo of my corp the CO-CEO and the Director cannot no longer be on and that has put a big dint in our corperation. I am not happy at all that you have decided to go down this path. And our corp will loose two of our most valuable members. Allot of the eve players will be so disavantage and CCP you will loose allot of players who play this game because they cannot offord a new up to date computer or laptop. did you try having them disable the station environment in options? its on the right side of the graphics page If one has an All Of A Sudden Overnight Obselete Graphics Card (TM) then one can't get that far in order to disable anything. The bit that matters, i.e. the outside of the station game play, hasn't changed a bit so those with literally yesterday's cards should still be able to do yesterday's things - in other words, play the game. You are aware you can access the video settings from the login?
Vycra	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:43:00 - [58] And I would like to just add here... For anyone who thinks they have heating issues with CQ, go download something like MSI Kombustor or Furmark and see what happens. Also for anyone with a generic non-brand PSU - replace it. Trust me, they do more damage than you can imagine.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:44:00 - [59] Originally by: Soi Mala Throw money at your machine! That has to fix this, RIGHT? You're an idiot, the sort of person who pays for an alienware. Ripe for politics IMHO. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
SNeAkYbRiT Gunslingers Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Runa Sigrun Edited by: Runa Sigrun on 22/06/2011 13:28:45 This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop ***ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix? Excuse me but i have a 560 ti and im certain that I dont want ccp to it up with their bad coding and expansion...so why dont u stick your so called advise and ** off.
Bill Loney	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:46:00 - [61] Originally by: I Love Boobies Dude, you missed the point totally. Many people with top of the line graphic cards are having extreme heating issues Then they would need better cooling for there overclocked cards then or a better air flow. gtx 460 here o/c to 900/1800/4000 with no heat problems running multiple clients on 2 monitors while watching some hi def (3d disabled), a little stuttter now and then but only when refreshing. I think the best way to have put it would be "The WIS uses a bit more resources than it should, or a possibility of a gfx memory leak!" (i havent checked any monitor programs since my temps are nice and cool)
Mantrella	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:48:00 - [62] to all the MORONS using LAPTOPS with INTEGRATED graphics: GET A REAL MACHINE TO PLAY EVE ON!! I run incarna just fine on my AMD quadcore running on a radeon 5770 in eyefinity across 3 22" lcds. no laptop with the exception of maybe a cgi workstation has an INTEGRATED gpu that is gonna handle incarna well. laptops in general with the exception of a few highend machines that cost an arm and 3 legs are not designed for playing games like eve. dont get hardware that cant handle this then complain when you cant use it when its your fault in the first place.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:50:00 - [63] Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 14:50:12 Originally by: Mantrella to all the MORONS using LAPTOPS with INTEGRATED graphics: GET A REAL MACHINE TO PLAY EVE ON!! I run incarna just fine on my AMD quadcore running on a radeon 5770 in eyefinity across 3 22" lcds. no laptop with the exception of maybe a cgi workstation has an INTEGRATED gpu that is gonna handle incarna well. laptops in general with the exception of a few highend machines that cost an arm and 3 legs are not designed for playing games like eve. dont get hardware that cant handle this then complain when you cant use it when its your fault in the first place. ASUS G60VX has 4gb ram dual core and GTX260M, that is by far over the spec and runs Crysis 1 and 2 fine. Broken incarna, affects CCP's bread and butter.
Kentren	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:50:00 - [64] Originally by: Mantrella to all the MORONS using LAPTOPS with INTEGRATED graphics: GET A REAL MACHINE TO PLAY EVE ON!! I run incarna just fine on my AMD quadcore running on a radeon 5770 in eyefinity across 3 22" lcds. no laptop with the exception of maybe a cgi workstation has an INTEGRATED gpu that is gonna handle incarna well. laptops in general with the exception of a few highend machines that cost an arm and 3 legs are not designed for playing games like eve. dont get hardware that cant handle this then complain when you cant use it when its your fault in the first place. **** you
Vrinidi Observer	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:50:00 - [65] I'm a little confused at the massive, and I do mean truly frightening levels, of people who are having issues with the top of line of GPUs. I guess I am the sole person in EVE not experiencing problems. I picked up a crappy little 430 for about 70 bucks USD two weeks ago and I have zero problems with CQ (4gigs of ram, Athalon II cpu). Runs nice at 50ish FPS with almost maxed settings (no AA) and the little bit of clunk in the movements I'd attribute to poor movement code. Something is rotten in the state of internet spaceships.
Phazer Amarr Rexolution	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:53:00 - [66] I do have a good enough computer to run incarna, but there's no way I want it to sound like a vacuum cleaner while staying docked for hours.
Mehta Mezhan	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:53:00 - [67] Originally by: Mantrella to all the MORONS using LAPTOPS with INTEGRATED graphics: GET A REAL MACHINE TO PLAY EVE ON!! You're an arrogant fool. Congrats on your e-peen triple monitor setup, nobody cares (for Eve? really? lol) Now try & realize that said laptops worked fine before this worthless, cosmetic-only update. Those users now have a forced downgrade, since turning off the new station rubbish presents a static screen. No ship, no nothing, just a worthless JPEG. Aka, for people without 10 square feet of desk and piles of money to frivolously waste... An ~800 MB download to get a WORSE user interface. Excellent.
Vycra	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:53:00 - [68] Edited by: Vycra on 22/06/2011 14:53:39 Originally by: Bill Loney Originally by: I Love Boobies Dude, you missed the point totally. Many people with top of the line graphic cards are having extreme heating issues Then they would need better cooling for there overclocked cards then or a better air flow. gtx 460 here o/c to 900/1800/4000 with no heat problems running multiple clients on 2 monitors while watching some hi def (3d disabled), a little stuttter now and then but only when refreshing. I think the best way to have put it would be "The WIS uses a bit more resources than it should, or a possibility of a gfx memory leak!" (i havent checked any monitor programs since my temps are nice and cool) This guy speaks the truth. All these people complaining.. they are suffering from one of the following. Lack of air flow/Dust Poor quality PSU Unrealistic Expectations (CQ is REALLY tough on your gpu, you might not think it is doing much but trust me there is a LOT of physx in there and is quite sophisticated) Like i said in my last post; Running the following i7-950 @4.3Ghz 2x GTX 460's (OC'd by 20%!) Running eve at 5280x1050 - 2x2 SSAA + 8xQ MSAA with max in game settings (hdr etc) You know my temps in CQ? Both GPU's never go above 75 degrees celsius... No problem here.
Myfanwy Heimdal Caldari Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:56:00 - [69] Originally by: Wa'roun You are aware you can access the video settings from the login? I am, indeed. But if you have Yesterday's Working Card you can't get as far as the log in.
Mehta Mezhan	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:15:00 - [70] Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal Originally by: Wa'roun You are aware you can access the video settings from the login? I am, indeed. But if you have Yesterday's Working Card you can't get as far as the log in. You sound like someone who's already tried everything, but... Did you try "eve.exe (Safe Mode)" ?
dgastuffz Caldari Hell's Revenge	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:17:00 - [71] 2 x 5870 and a amd 1100T 250gb SSD in raid 1 and 25 fps with 2 accounts running thats poor useless patch
LawlSTi The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:20:00 - [72] Edited by: LawlSTi on 22/06/2011 15:21:18 Confirming: Single Nvidia GTX590 8GB RAM Windows 7 64bit Intel i7 860 1TB HDD Eve on completely maxed out settings; No issues.
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:21:00 - [73] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 13:41:16 A GTX 260 4gb machine with DUAL CORE CPUs cannot play Incarna but it can play Crysis? That's fine? That is borked up. Funny I have around the same and it works fine with multiple clients open at max settings.
Myfanwy Heimdal Caldari Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:21:00 - [74] Sadly I have. A dialog box pops up entitled "Outdated graphics card detected" with the main message of the dialog box being "Shader Model 3 (SM3) support is needed to run this game. Click OK to close the game client." This dialog pops up during the client loading process. The splash screen is there but that's it. There is no way that the client progresses as far as actually running to get the login screen. Cheers - Myfanwy
Raynohr Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:36:00 - [75] op speaks atleast the truth. as for myslef i got a medicore laptop that has a gforce 335m card and only prob i have in cq on max settings is that my fps is 18-20.
Mehta Mezhan	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:36:00 - [76] Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal Sadly I have. A dialog box pops up entitled "Outdated graphics card detected" with the main message of the dialog box being "Shader Model 3 (SM3) support is needed to run this game. Click OK to close the game client." Oh. I thought the transition process for SM3 was already over. My understanding is that now you hard-core absolutely-need SM3 to run at all. I could be wrong.
slowill	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:37:00 - [77] Originally by: Wa'roun old graphics card I hate to tell you dude but your graphics card is really old. I just upgraded from 2 ati 4870's and they were two years old. You can get a 4870 now for about 100 bucks. Reccommend atleast upgrading to a vid card that has atleast 1gb of ram.
vlad0821 Artwik	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:50:00 - [78] Originally by: Mehta Mezhan Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal Originally by: Wa'roun You are aware you can access the video settings from the login? I am, indeed. But if you have Yesterday's Working Card you can't get as far as the log in. You sound like someone who's already tried everything, but... Did you try "eve.exe (Safe Mode)" ? I tried it, it doesn't work. If you have an outdated card you cant open the game, even with safemode
Robinson1990	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:38:00 - [79] Cant beleive im sayin this but im goin back to wow. Got a decent video card and it still f's up, maybe if they lose enough subscriptions theyll change it back. Wishful thinkn
Ronald Raygunn Amarr Inferi Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:41:00 - [80] Originally by: Runa Sigrun Edited by: Runa Sigrun on 22/06/2011 13:28:45 This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop *****ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix? Bite me. There, isn't that a succinct reply?
O Wren Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:43:00 - [81] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 13:41:16 A GTX 260 4gb machine with DUAL CORE CPUs cannot play Incarna but it can play Crysis? That's fine? That is borked up. I'm playing on a 2 year old laptop with 2gig dual core, 4gigs ram and a 4630 (something like that) 1gig dedicated video and sure, there was more heat and noise than before but I can still run it on med settings no prob. So waaa
TooNu Caldari Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:45:00 - [82] White knight topic spotted. OP: Live in the now.
Vawd Caldari Proficient Armament Solutions Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:46:00 - [83] Edited by: Vawd on 22/06/2011 21:47:23 Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 13:41:16 A GTX 260 4gb machine with DUAL CORE CPUs cannot play Incarna but it can play Crysis? That's fine? That is borked up. Then your machine is a piece of ****. My GTX 260 machine runs this just fine, on full settings no less.
Sassums Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:46:00 - [84] Originally by: Runa Sigrun Edited by: Runa Sigrun on 22/06/2011 13:28:45 This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop *****ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix? Please think before posting. I have an Nvidia 560TI, 1 GB DDR5. At maximum settings with Incarna in Captain's Quarters, I get between 15-30 FPS. If I turn the settings all the way down, I get 30FPS. So please, do some research. Even the high end cards are struggling. Before Incarna I could get 200FPS, which I still see out of station.
Hallax Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:00:00 - [85] MMO's need broad appeal and broad accessibility to be viable. Pretty moot point, that. OP is a douche and a failure if he's any older than 22-23 and/or not in school. Just calling it like it is. I have enough money to buy a new machine, but I'd rather spend it on things that matter to me because hey, rl is fun. I supported Incarna until I couldn't log in. It's just too much trouble. Cancelling the subs and coming back when I feel like putting up with it.
Thomas Q	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:57:00 - [86] Edited by: Thomas Q on 23/06/2011 18:57:27 I have a intel Quad core, and a radeon 5870. Incarna costing me about 10 C degrees more on my card then incursion.. Especially in space, it's a very noticable difference. My guess is this will be fixed with patches, seems to me there is little reason for it to be so much heavier, other then not perfectly tuned code :)
Paladia Haberdash	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:13:00 - [87] Well I agree with the OP, there are people out there with 5 year old PC's that can run this game fine. So why are yours over heating and such? 1)Is it because your too **ing lazy to clean it out once in a while? Dust can make the heat, sinks less effective in cooling. 2)Or is it because you have to have e-pwn and over clock the out of your PC then *** when it cant run games properly? You people need to get a grip on reality and stop flaming this person because he speaks the truth.
drinking12many Minmatar Nine Inch Ninja Corp	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:23:00 - [88] Edited by: drinking12many on 24/06/2011 14:25:58 Originally by: Mantrella to all the MORONS using LAPTOPS with INTEGRATED graphics: GET A REAL MACHINE TO PLAY EVE ON!! I run incarna just fine on my AMD quadcore running on a radeon 5770 in eyefinity across 3 22" lcds. no laptop with the exception of maybe a cgi workstation has an INTEGRATED gpu that is gonna handle incarna well. laptops in general with the exception of a few highend machines that cost an arm and 3 legs are not designed for playing games like eve. dont get hardware that cant handle this then complain when you cant use it when its your fault in the first place. Actually my laptop has an ati 4350HD and it runs one client just fine (heat wise) definitely a bit jerky compared to what it should be but I get some jerky slow frames even in space if I forget and leave AA on or something. It never did very well with more than one client so most of the time i don't even try..
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:28:00 - [89] Originally by: I Love Boobies Dude, you missed the point totally. Many people with top of the line graphic cards are having extreme heating issues, not just people with outdated cards. Even with vsync adjusted the way you proclaim it should be adjusted. And besides, no one really cares about you working in a grocery store, or that you're going to school. And by the looks of things, you need to find a better school, or at least a better spelling teacher. And no one really cares about your opinion either. Yet here you are, spouting off ******ed 'facts' about computer use that you have no actual clue about. Go away now. Mr Epeen
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:29:00 - [90] Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 24/06/2011 14:34:23 Originally by: Runa Sigrun Edited by: Runa Sigrun on 22/06/2011 13:28:45 This goes out to everyone whining about their video cards not being compatible with incarna. The fix is easy get a better video card! I am making $10 an hr working part time and it would take less then one pay check to buy a new video card like the GTX 560 (around $200), which will handle most games out their at max gfx now and well into the future. If your not working then get your fat nerdy ass out and find a job, or stop *****ing about your crap video card being unable to run incarna. If you find your current card over hearing inable V-sync (vertical Sync) to cap the FPS at 60. Now there isent that an easy fix? I see you're missing the point. I have a 18 month-old PC with 8GB RAM, a Core i5-750 for a CPU and an ATI HD5870 as my GPU. Yes it runs incarna as smooth as butter v-synced at 60 FPS, but in the meantime it is very busy cooking my motherboard. GPU temp hits ~70C after about 5 minutes of CQ and they keep climbing even as the drivers boost the cards Fan RPM. It can take the heat for quite some time sure, but Crysis 1 running with everything set to Ultra and 24x FSAA generates less heat even during action-heavy combat situations than CQ does while essentially IDLE. Crysis 2, being the red-headed stepchild of it's predecessor generates even less heat.
Spin Spin Sugar Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:30:00 - [91] Originally by: LawlSTi Edited by: LawlSTi on 22/06/2011 15:21:18 Confirming: Single Nvidia GTX590 8GB RAM Windows 7 64bit Intel i7 860 1TB HDD Eve on completely maxed out settings; No issues. How does it feel to have a nice rig that allows you to walk around in single room with zero interaction with other avatars? I have a lot lower spec that allows me to play 64 player FPS with lots of bling and moving stuff - yet struggles in a single room with nothing moving... While I expect it to improve.... eventually - it is a far cry from what has been promised in the past. Incarna as an expansion fails - a patch it would pass. What is problematic is removing stuff (like ship spinning) and replacing it with a not so subtle door - then adding MT which WILL include non-vanity items - breaking their promise. That is in the issue. The lies and unfulfilled promises and incomplete expansions (hell, they still haven't finished the last T3 subsection, let along older stuff like COSMOS). Some of us have played a while and remember all the incomplete stuff. Newer players don't.
a newbie Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:44:00 - [92] Originally by: Soi Mala Throw money at your machine! That has to fix this, RIGHT? You're an idiot, the sort of person who pays for an alienware. OMFG this quote is so full of win! You sir, are my hero LOL. I HATE ALIENWARE. Bunch of gussied up piles of junk.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:51:00 - [93] Originally by: a newbie Originally by: Soi Mala Throw money at your machine! That has to fix this, RIGHT? You're an idiot, the sort of person who pays for an alienware. OMFG this quote is so full of win! You sir, are my hero LOL. I HATE ALIENWARE. Bunch of gussied up piles of junk. Pre-built PCs have their uses (I prefer to build my own, but still). It provides excellent warranty options to those who actually need a PC that powerful for their job. A good example are professional livecasters for games. Total Biscuit (a StarCraft 2 and general gaming caster for a living) has one, for one simple reason, if something breaks they'll have a replacement part at his doorstep in a matter of hours, and will RMA the broken bit. If you build your PC yourself you'll pay less money, but that kind of convenience, especially for someone who's job depends on his hardware working properly, is worth a lot.

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minimum requirements,.. Disney render farm.

I can play eve fine at work (but not at home), then again I do work at Industrial Light and Magic so have access to nice hardware.