Originally by: RC Denton

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Edited by: RougeOperator on 24/06/2011 06:33:22
Edited by: RougeOperator on 24/06/2011 06:33:12
CCP has dumped a ton of money into two other projects DUST and WoD.

To pay for these they want to do it on the backs of the EvE player base. They pretty much said just that in the PDF.

They sent resources into these other games. Games we as EvE players are funding to get made. While in the Leaked PDF they act as if we are Freeloaders. When it is in fact the so called Freeloaders that pay the bills for them.

I cant help but feel that they see us as serfs to be exploited and not customers. Heck for a while now its felt like that are completely and dangerously out of touch with the customers and playerbase.

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When I first read the "developing other games with EVE money" that did make me mad, but really that's what businesses do. Once we pay it to them it's profit to them and they then re-invest that profit in an attempt to grow the business. That's capitalism. Where I think the criticism is valid though is ignoring the thing that's bringing in the cash in favor of the other non-proven entities which I think is what's happened here to some extent. This whole "expansion" is a proof of concept demo for the other games.

Also I think they were referring to Dust players who don't participate in MT as "Spectating Freeloaders" not eve players. That is a breathtaking display of contempt for ones customers though and I think that person needs to be shown the door.

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Originally by: RC Denton

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Originally by: Rheum Rhabarbarium

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Edited by: RougeOperator on 24/06/2011 06:53:13
Its funny that because CCP overreached in pure greed on this nex stuff. What could have been a nice cash flow for them at a $1 0r $2 an item may never materialize now. They may have ruined their chances to ever have micro-transactions work.

They are now considered Gordon Gecko forever. The internet does not forget.

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This is exactly what I thought. Slamming the playerbase with a $80 monocle on launch was a very bad idea - instead they should've had a large quantity of cheap and accessible items from the start up, and build towards exclusive content... Now, because most of the players thought NeX was just too expensive, and now the leaked memo... well, you've just managed to pull off a one-two punch that probably turned off most of the community from buying anything micro-transaction related, EVER. Or at least until they have to...

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It looks like the hyper expensive items were done on purpose based on what's in the memo about people deriving emotional content from buying expensive stuff. I just think they waaayyy over estimated the value that people would assign to these items.

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Originally by: Kitsunebi Sol'Rayven

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3. I have read the Fearless Newsletter like most it has me worried about how CCP views EVE and its players. I do understand it was to be for employees and that it was meant for only employees that said; The memo gave very interesting insight on what some of the employees want EVE and CCP to be in the future. I honestly did not like some of the views and found it contrary to how CCP has presented its self thus far to the players. It seems like some are disconnected on what eve is in the first place and do not understand how changes of this magnitude can effect a game.

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Originally by: Po3tank

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Sticky this thread. Don't let it fall of the front page,let it be a reminder of what CCP has done.

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Originally by: Looshes

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Originally by: Iolar Duv

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tbh the problem to me seems that CQ is just releasing too little too soon.

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Too soon? Only took them 5 years.

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Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor

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Let's abandon the rage and anti-rage and sit down again. We can still save EVE.

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Originally by: Garreth Vlox

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Originally by: leth ghost

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i know what it is

All that ****ing air they got blown up there ass at e3 going on the sony stage has gone to there heads

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it will be interesting to see how far sony puts their boot up that same ass if they manage to destroy the market for dust before its even out

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Originally by: Luke S

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CAN I PLEASE! have a skip to dev post button!? I'm not going to look through 200 pages of whining to see the devs' answers.

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Originally by: CCP Pann

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If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.

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Originally by: Hilmar

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this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.

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Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos

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To all those that are threatening to cancel their sub 'IF' CCP add non-vanity items to the MT store. I think it is pretty clear that CCP 'DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR THREATS' they only care if you actually cancel your subscription.
They assume that by not cancelling you are so dependant on the game that you will whine and moan but at the end of the day you wont leave.

Do you want to make them rethink their whole MT strategy? then cancel because to CCP anything less is complete drivel.

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Originally by: Besoina

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Microtransactions are welcomed, as far as i am concerned. A few vanity items are hardly worth unsubbing for. The system for buying ships through plex has been available for a while, this is no different. If the items are too expensive & provide no benefit in pvp or pve, then who gives a damn about how much it costs or if its even there. I say let the dumbass pay $50 or more on vanity items, more revenue for CCP.

Seriously, some of you take the game too seriously & that letter has nothing wrong with it, I would have written something along those lines as well, if I were working there. You folks have to remember that this is not your game, you don't have the responsability (legal or otherwise) to increase stock prices for investors. They need cash to expand & grow, so I say, let the microtransactions stay & let ccp continue their PR tactics, bad press is good press.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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When are all you lads who are still threatening to quit if CCP does ONE MORE thing to **** you off going to man up, stop being battered wives and unsubscribe?

That's the ONLY chance you have to save the game.

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Originally by: kari bourza

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Originally by: Moraguth

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bla bla bla a huge (free) expansion

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yeah its a free expansion, as free as the 50 million dollar we pour into CCP each year, would you do us a favor ? never ever reproduce for the good of humanity

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Originally by: Cz Ire

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Yeah the money i pay for eve online should go into making eve online better.

But it feels like they took that money and sent it off to dust and WoD instead.

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qft.

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Originally by: Canasa

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Do you remember all the arguments from CCP themselves as to why ISK-for-cash was a "bad thing"?

How, exactly would MT for ships be different - apart from CCP being the beneficiary?

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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I find it immensely important, having read as much of this thread as humanly possible while still in an email/meeting/phonecall flurry yesterday, to let you guys know that Pann didn't abandon this thread on purpose. She had a family emergency in what is possibly the worst possible timing in the history of the internet, about 2 minutes after her second post in here. Everything is ok with that situation (talked to her yesterday). Whether you believe me or not, thems the facts. Saying that, obviously, on the day this thread began would have sounded ludicrous at best, spurious at least. Sort of like "my dog ate my homework" when your dog ACTUALLY ate it.

I haven't yet gotten to the blog responses, Facebook comments or reviewing Twitter hashtags. So please understand if I don't respond in a timely fashion in any venue and understand too that many questions simply cannot be answered directly. The nature of the beast.

The community team, likewise, has had their hands full with (as leniently as possible) enforcing forum rules and relaying information. We're all in it for the long haul though.

If some of my responses that I end up making do sound glib, I can assure you it is not because I don't understand the gravity of the situation at hand or the trueness of emotion/logic behind player opinion. It's because, frankly, of who I am.

Furthermore, if only some stuff gets answers or some seemingly random threads get attention, its also the nature of that same beast. Thanks for listening.

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Originally by: Miilla

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In the land of the blind stupid.. the one-eyed monocled man is king.

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Originally by: Ghoest

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After seeing Hilmars email we know that nothing Pann could say would actually mean anything.

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Originally by: Vandrion

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"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."

I call BS... The fearless newsletter contained pro's and con's from 2 employees... Now look at page 9. Here let me help you:

"CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales
model for its game products. While this model has
always been intended for World of Darkness and
DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will
work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new
strategy unfold in Incarna?"

This opening line isn't about debate you moron......
More----
"Not all virtual purchases will
focus on customization: some will
simply be new items, ammunition,
ships, etc. that can be purchased
outright."

Just caught you in a lie....... Yes-- you did and do still have plans to continue down the MT road..... We are not idiots........

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Originally by: Markus Jome

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Originally by: Morgan Polaris

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Edited by: Morgan Polaris on 26/06/2011 20:44:11

According to the tally, CCP is down $806,760 on annual subscription fees.

$975,050 if half of those cancelled subscribers paid with euro's.

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don't forget the fakeposts you can expect and those that were paid with isk. But if just 1/10 of these accounts were real paid accounts CCP would have to pay more than 1000 monocles and hope that until they are sold no more players quit.

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Originally by: Morgan Polaris

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On the contrary, the blog shows something very interesting:

Quote:

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due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days

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Their little snitch and subsequent leaks have arguably cost CCP almost a mil in annual subscriber fees.

Perfect storm indeed.

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Quote:

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Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

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Originally by: Angeliq

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Quote:

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Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

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Gonna add that BFH had 7 million users. And it was F2P and micro trans from the start.

Its like comparing apples to pineapples.

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The business model apply.

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Originally by: 52 MonocIes

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Good luck CCP Pann, I wish you and your child all the best. In the end we're all just weak humans at the mercy of fate.

I'm also sorry that CCP used your misfortune in a psychological-warfare maneuver against it's customers. Not only trying to excuse themselves from not answering the question most customers were asking for 2 days ("Pann wasn't able to answer your questions, hence the delay?" You kidding us, CCP?), but also trying to soften us by inducing compassion towards a hurt child and hoping that this will decrease our rightful rage and make at least some of us give demands we have in regards to the bussiness relationship we - customers have with ccp.

To hide yourself behind a hurt child is the lowest of the low, CCP, you're bastards.

There is really no reason for a company to release details of a personal life of it's employees. You don't do that, you don't mix personal life of your employees into the argument about you conducting your business in a way that is understood as unprofessional by most of civilized world. And frankly, this argument is all this forums contain for the last few days.

What should have happened is someone else at CCP should took over and _at_most_ state CCP Pann is unavailable due to personal matters, or not state anything at all, just put someone else in charge of the thread.

End of line.

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Originally by: Zverofaust

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Since when was a privately-owned company a democracy?

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Originally by: Benri Konpaku

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 23:02:51
So where did this waver of CCP apologists come from all the sudden. Where were they the last 5 days?'

DID CCP hire a PR firm to do damage control and had a bunch of them start up accounts to post on the forums.

Id laugh about the tinfoil hat, but is has been done by other companies in the past. OR is it sony doing Damage control now?

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Making PR contracts takes time after all. And their responses and arguments are awfully familiar aren't they? So I'm still thinking the sell out isn't any work of fiction.

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Originally by: Kraundewr

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Has anyone stopped to think about the possibility that CCP is doing this on purpose?

CCP is "calling a CSM" emeregency meeting to make the players happy. This is perfect.

The next step is reducing prices and making apologies. This in turn will still allow them to sell things for cash, but also maintain their loyal fanbase.

This is all about drama my friends, welcome to the world of "As CCP turns".

If you think anything else, your fooling yourself.

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Originally by: Shintai

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Originally by: Lakuma

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Approaching 400 pages... The ThreadTitan shall soon be...

THREADPOCALYPSE!

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Oh we shall pass 400, maybe 500 too.

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Originally by: lech lizdian

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Edited by: lech lizdian on 27/06/2011 00:16:39

Originally by: MeBiatch

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Edited by: MeBiatch on 26/06/2011 23:55:24
make the storeBPC only!


This is how it should work.

I have a list of items in the store all of them are bpc's (each bpc has 5 runs on it)

lets say this time i pick monocole so i drop $60 bones and get the bpc...

i then have a list of ruff materials that i need to make the awesome monocles...

so i jump in my hauler go over the the planet and start making the base materials i need...

once i have the materials i then go back to the station and open industry and start a run cycle to construct the monocles...

I can then sell this item on contract or market or my store(when i get one) for ISK...

Do MT this way and i dont think people will have a problem with it...

make the arum store BPC only

Personally i would want my store to be a "west cost choppers" where i install awesome engine trails and paint jobs...

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remember you dont have to use real money to do any of this you can still buy plex for isk...

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Originally by: Miilla

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If you read his "memo" you will see that he is not upset because of us, he is upset because of the "internal trust issue" of the plan being leaked and we found out about it BEFORE THEY WANTED TO TELL US.

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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Originally by: Ghard Eleran

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wait a sec did they call us cow's? am angry all over again!!

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No! We are Geese! Golden ones

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Originally by: Chesty Buws

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It simple maths really... I have 2 characters, thats a cool ú240 a year. I bought a nice powerful laptop 2 years ago to play this game, that's a further ú500, so, in total this game has cost me (DON'T let my wife see this!) ú240 x 3 (years) + ú500 = ú1220. And now that my laptop isn't powerful enough to run both characters simultaneously, am I to spend another ú500 so that I can walk about brandishing my ú30 (or so) monocle by myself in my quarters?

I have a family... Play EVE or feed my children, Play EVE or feed my children.... hmm, tough one.

What can I say, my XBOX360 has been put back under the tele in the last few days. Simple and much much much cheaper. Apart from that, I suspect some of CCP's competitors are now smiling to themselves, expecting new business.

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Originally by: Vaia Sunn

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http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=934

The news from CCP zulu is encouraging, But I can already see a lot of holes to slither through in his latest blog.

I am not ready to resubscribe yet.

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Originally by: Arvir Aris

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Quote:

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Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.

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Oh lord, he's afraid of saying anything lest he make it worse.

I can't wait to hear the news they're just dying to tell us that will somehow make things worse.

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Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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Lots of White Knights and FUD packers in the EU prime time, curious.

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 01:38:58

Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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Lots of White Knights and FUD packers in the EU prime time, curious.

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I vote that they are CCP PR alts. And will be doing this until it blows over. Then they will all vanish magically never to be heard from once its over.

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Funnily enough the ones that are a little obvious stop posting as soon as called out for being CCP.

There have been a few times where they came in enforce (3-4 at a time) and tried to turn the debate onto "vanity items are too expensive".

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Originally by: Care Bear King

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Opinion Shapers? Rabble Rousers?

--- Top 20 Posters Between Pages 1 and 50
24: Miilla
21: Reed Tiburon
17: Tea Ester Elliot
17: Apollo Gabriel
17: Words Words Words
16: Soden Rah
13: Jason1138
12: Black Dranzer
12: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
12: Alexis Sachs
11: Republica Winder
10: Adunh Slavy
10: Iurnan Mileghere
10: Amira Kornova
10: CCP Manifest
10: Majuan Shuo
10: Da Gooch
10: HoboWithAShip
10: Bloodpetal
9: SailorBacon
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Total Posts: 1500
Total Posters: 639

--- Top 20 Posters Between Pages 331 and 380
101: Miilla
49: Constantinus Maximus
24: Angeliq
18: Shintai
17: SNeAkYbRiT
15: Gulliver Rex
15: Abrazzar
15: Talamicus
14: Marcus Vorenius
13: Adunh Slavy
13: RougeOperator
12: Ron Whisper
12: Mia Aires
12: Londo Cebb
12: leth ghost
11: Zuquar Bonaparte
11: Gil Warden
11: Nishachara
11: Marc Goth
11: ISquishWorms
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Total Posts: 1500
Total Posters: 613

--- Top 20 Posters Between Pages 1 and 380
439: Miilla
264: Constantinus Maximus
94: leth ghost
78: Isis Soryu
72: Adunh Slavy
71: Marcus Vorenius
67: Tea Ester Elliot
63: Reed Tiburon
61: Grey Stormshadow
58: Jaroslav Unwanted
50: Bloodpetal
50: Alexis Sachs
49: Shintai
48: Eladaris
46: RougeOperator
43: Manos Heimenbarger
41: Kewso
41: Cutter Isaacson
40: Ris Dnalor
39: Ranka Mei
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Total Posts: 11400
Total Posters: 3561

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Originally by: Kaaeliaa

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Originally by: Vandrion

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 01:38:58

Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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Lots of White Knights and FUD packers in the EU prime time, curious.

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I vote that they are CCP PR alts. And will be doing this until it blows over. Then they will all vanish magically never to be heard from once its over.

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Yep.. They are spreading into the other forum sections already.... This one tried the usual BS in my thread HERE

Seems he disappeared though........

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And named like a chameleon! Designed to blend in...crap, I just put on the tinfoil hat, didn't I?

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 05:12:32

Originally by: Jaik7

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point two, he specificly mentions "virtual sales", their line for microtransactions, even though the interveiw was posted april 14, 2011. well before the NEX store was made public. the way i understand it, plexes are subscriptions you can sell to someone else. so he was thinking of this for some time?

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3 years.

We've been getting warnings since they read about what WoW did.

Resignations, leaks, lawsuits etc.

Their failing was not just being honest with customers 3 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc

That video really does sum it all up.

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Originally by: Jared Tobin

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Originally by: CCP Pann

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DID YOU JUST RESPOND TO A POST FROM DAYS AGO THAT WAS ALREADY DISSECTED AS RUBBISH!

Originally by: Jared Tobin

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Originally by: Jared Tobin

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Originally by: CCP Pann

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DID YOU JUST RESPOND TO A POST FROM DAYS AGO THAT WAS ALREADY DISSECTED AS RUBBISH!

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I suppose I did. It's still sunday night for me, so I looked at it as 2 days ago, and it was just mentioned earlier "today" in the feedback thread, and I suppose I just haven't had the time to be continually on through my entire weekend reading 320+ pages of responses.

If the message was "rubbish" then, oh well... Not the first time someone's attempt at an honest adding of their 2 ISK worth to an initial message which asked for an opinion goes into digital oblivion.

At least I tried.

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Yeah the post was made before the leak of the email that basically said.

"Act like you care and lie to them we are going to do what we want anyway."

Her comments it turns out where nothing but empty pure PR spin****.

Smoke and mirrors game she was playing on the plebs on behalf of CCP.

Originally by: Londo Cebb

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Originally by: Doctor Garamond Trebuchet

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Score, don't spike.

Nothing is going to happen before the meeting. Let cooler heads prevail and again, if you are really wanting to make an impact, you must cancel and if you want to cancel extra hard biomass em like I did (after donating to eve radio)

If they fix this mess, resub, no harm no foul if not, I'll see ya in Perpetuum and/or Black Prophecy

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If you wanna cancel extra hard, buy plex with isk, then give them to a player that is staying, and that you can trust to turn it in for game time.

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Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger

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Originally by: Crye MultiCam

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Quote:

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Yeah the post was made before the leak of the email that basically said.

"Act like you care and lie to them we are going to do what we want anyway."

Her comments it turns out where nothing but empty pure PR spin****.

Smoke and mirrors game she was playing on the plebs on behalf of CCP.

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It's a really freaky coincidence at least.
Isn't it conveniently odd that the sacrificial lamb happened to be a female with 'family issues', preventing her from continuing the PR dialogue?

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Originally by: Cap Tyrian

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Edited by: Cap Tyrian on 27/06/2011 09:29:26
This :
Pay To Win - Fans Rage but won't Quit

is the Problem

yes , he is referring to Golf lmao

In a F2P game a fan understands the need for them to make more $ to keep it running and yet only 5 % actual pay money.

In F2P emoragequiting has no effect and eventually the hate settles.


And Eve has a completely different sort of community and in game ability's to change the masses attention on a subject.

The community is a more mature one, thus not forced to spend time in front of a video game. Battlefield and F2P players are often school kids who socialise over a video game, quitting is hardly an option. School kids are often "p-ckoc*s" to show off they are better then the poor kids.

Anyway, in eve the communication is on a completely different level, lets take a high-sec mining and mission crop. many new players start of in such a corp and will likely not bother much about such issues we forum people and vets worry about. However, that corps CEO will likely be a vet - a carebar vet but non the less one who will be affected buy what is going on right now. He is likely respected and maybe a role model, his worrys will not be overseen buy the newer players threw TS etc. The situation that would otherwise not effect the newer player now very well would.

That is not it just yet, "haters gona hate" that might go for battlefeeld, what they want to do about it. eve however enables one to mercilessly geife someone, once that reaches a certain level, you won't even be selling the vanity items to "p-ckoc*s"

I could go on and on but you get the idea. There is a difference between a nice bike in RL and an advantage in eve.

A very stupid comparison, everyone knows a car race is to a great part about technological advantages, developed buy the company they represent. Money is needed for research and money is what you get from being better then the competition.

You want a better matching comparison. Its like winning a car race cos God gives your car magical powers for you being Mormon and agreeing to give him a BJ.


ps: stop steeling my signature >.>

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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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Originally by: Miilla

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stuff

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Hey check your eve-gate mail, wanna say something but don't wanna say it here.

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Totally forgot about EVE Gate (69 unread mails - sorry chaps)

Why don't they send ban warnings to EVE Mail?

"Hi, Marcus Vorenius

You have received a notice regarding the post below which appeared in our forum on 22/06/2011 18:52:32. Trolling is not permitted on the forum - we encourage threads that discuss issues in a constructive and spirited atmosphere. Please avoid insulting posts, or posts designed to anger other players. Continuing to disregard the guidelines may result in the suspension or cancellation of your posting privileges.

We encourage you to review the Forum Rules found at: http://wiki.eveonline.com/w/index.php?title=Forum_Rules . Please feel free to contact us if you have questions about the guidelines or this notice.

The EVE Forum Moderator Team

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534389

<out of character post content goes here>

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Originally by: Casey Roy

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Edited by: Casey Roy on 27/06/2011 11:23:15

Wonder how CCP's partying went this weekend...

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Originally by: Miilla

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Originally by: Kal Erkkinen

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I think this may have something to do with the fact that CCP not achieving the average revenue per user. Some players do not pay for EVE and only use ISK to buy PLEX, thus the money CCP make drops - I guess they looked at the average, not at the old vets - and the new players separately. If they had, figures would be different and this AUR choice would not have been implemented. I strongly believe that if CCP had raised the cost for a sub by a dollar or two, or a euro or two - the vast majority of players would not mind - as EVE is a great game, and that would also increase the cost of the PLEX and reduce the ability for in-game players to buy them, thus forcing them to sub, and increasing the revenue for CCP. If cash is their only problem, besides their poor staff support - the ability to buy ships, ammo, rep, skill for cash is not the way to solve a problem. I think that a large amount of players have already unsubbed - even if the AUR store goes ahead, and they implement it - EVE will not be popular, the demand for AUR will be low, they will have to either decrease the market prices to make available, or increase the cost of AUR to cover the giant losses.

Hopefully they can figure this out. Now.

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They projected each user should SPEND about $3000 a year in Eve, they equate it to a GOLF hobby.

So, to raise the subs that would mean $3000 anually MINIMUM, that equates to $250 per MONTH; MINIMUM.

That should give you an insight to their revenue targets PER PLAYER.

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Originally by: Miilla

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Originally by: Angeliq

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 12:10:19
CCP = them.

10mins on google+linkedin with the right keywords and you'll get the picture.

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I know, I found very interesting information about shareholders, ppl, companies, offshores, connections, countries... I'm actually afraid to say more.

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And yet people still defend CCP and the 8 year old farm game.

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Originally by: Vandrion

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Edited by: Vandrion on 27/06/2011 13:21:38
Ok guys.. It is time to start paying attention to other forum sections then this one....

Here is an example of what is going on in the Assembley Hall:

"- Limited use items like the Cerebral Accelerator, which can be used to increase hourly SP gain for a limited duration and speed up skill training, rather than replace it with direct injection of skills/SP. Not strictly limited to new players, but with a time limit on use."

Assembly hall Thread

That knucklehead actually wants SP for $$$.....

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/

That article is rather good, don't miss the 2nd page.

It's funny, been watching some of those CCP alts, there was one guy that said "we" instead of "they" :-)

Was a good way to get a gauge on their new market. Really Dumb People. i.e. kids.

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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Originally by: Estelle McDeal

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Originally by: Vandrion

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Edited by: Vandrion on 27/06/2011 13:21:38
Ok guys.. It is time to start paying attention to other forum sections then this one....

Here is an example of what is going on in the Assembley Hall:

"- Limited use items like the Cerebral Accelerator, which can be used to increase hourly SP gain for a limited duration and speed up skill training, rather than replace it with direct injection of skills/SP. Not strictly limited to new players, but with a time limit on use."

Assembly hall Thread

That knucklehead actually wants SP for $$$.....

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Brilliant. We are already in the discussion not to ban MT at all but to allow "some effects on the gameplay" like SP boosters.

We better stop that thing now completely before the non vanity rule gets softened up.

That is exactly what CCP expected to happen. If we want it they will happily sell it to us.

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Thin end of the wedge

Knew a guy who grew up in London after the war. Always talked about how fast the thin end of the wedge goes.

CCP banked on it.

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Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar

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"After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store."
Hilmar.

I wonder who is that 52 idiots who purchased that s*it?

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Originally by: Holly Cleland

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Originally by: Miilla

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Originally by: Holly Cleland

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Well, it's like this, if something bad happens (it won't get that far), one of their projects will be put on hold, and people will be layed off, I don't imagine CCP getting to that point but there is a serious problem of CCP biting off more than it can chew.

They've got 2 projects running concurrently with EVE, EVE is obviously suffering through lack of development, and just from looking at how little we got in Incarna is proof enough of that (yet they can hire GMs to smooth over every newbie), adding bells and whistles won't convince us there's proper development going on in the background thusly hurting your current subscribers.

This basically means (assuming what has been said is true) CCP either needs to renegotiate their loan (I imagine they won't have a problem at all) or CCP will need to secure additional revenue from other sources in order to maintain it's development, I doubt they will let any projects go on ice, there's so many solutions to a problem like this, and CCP has a solid reputation as a business and a bank or governing body would be a fool to ignore their potential in the future.

-A well thought out post
Holly "The Yellow Dart" Cleland

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"CCP has a solid reputation"


I stopped reading right there.

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Then you should have read the part where I said as a business, not as a reliable game developer that gives solid fan service, idiot troll.

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Originally by: Headerman

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Well not really.

If they are in debt and need money to pay to keep operating, then that is A LOT different to them just being greedy and wanting money for pay rises.

Is CCP going under if they can't clear this debt? If so, then they have a pretty legit reason for MTs...

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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius

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Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 28/06/2011 03:41:21

Originally by: MarcusVorenius via TWITTER

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FEARLESS issue #2: Greed is Not Good - It's Awesome! Available soon (tm) | #ethics #eveonline #mmorpg #wod #dust514 #evepeasants

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Dex' post on NEX store advertising is a must read: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540009

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Originally by: Graava

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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

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Originally by: Graava

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With the financial problems, if we tip them over the edge then this may be the best thing for Eve.

An administrator will look at the company, its cashflow, its earnings, cancel WoD, cancel or mothball Dust and focus the company on the profitable part Eve.

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very funny... destroy a large part of CCP's assets just for lulz.

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TBH, the greater majority of Eve players could not give a flying f*ck about WoD or Dust. The fact that these titles are getting 90%+ of the dev resources which we are paying for and will have Eve downgraded to just another P2W shambles, this we do care about.

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Originally by: Stormchyld

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Originally by: Saving Face

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Originally by: Stormchyld

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... there are several good threads in the Market Discussion forum section that I think sums up the financial situation eve is in right now.

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Unfortunately the one you quoted doesn't get it.

CCP itself lists PLEXes as a liability as they are revenue they can not recognize until the subscription period actually starts. It's not something people are presenting it as, it's something that CCP does so they can put them on their balance sheet at all. The term "liability" doesn't actually have a negative connotation in that context. It's standard practice for subscriptions that are paid up front.

And they are considering the income split, or more accurately they don't have to in terms of liability. When you credit a PLEX to your account they can start recognizing the revenue from when it was originally bought, therefore reducing liabilities in their balance sheet.

They only problem they could have with PLEXes is the reduction in cash flow, but that is capped at $3 million in total, and applying all of it in short time is near impossible. You would need about 200k normally paid subscriptions to pay with a PLEX for the same month. Not going to happen.

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....mkay.. I know enough about finances to fill a thimble. I just thought the discussions over there were informative and might shed more light on why they are going in the direction they are going.

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Originally by: Kailithi

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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CCP abandons eve its cash cow. Sums it up.

If they will do this to us while we are the cash cow. I can only imagine how bad they will treat us when they their other games up and running.

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^^ What he said, yep!

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Originally by: Mingloid

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Originally by: Nath Blazek

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Originally by: KwaLevu

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Originally by: Mercedes Bens

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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

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Yes, how many times does this have to be answered? Aur for Scorpion is built

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A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.

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Originally by: Kailithi

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Aaaand they are off. Go on CSM, we have faith in you, we know you'll have our back, we, err, WFT ?

[source = twitter]

Quote:

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@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead
We are getting econometric briefing about preliminary results of introduction of AUR. Double-secret NDA stuff. #tweetfleet #csm6

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OK, so, the first thing you tell us if there's absolutely no way you can tell us anything because the moment your arses hit the chairs they served you with NDA's

Enjoy your beers guys. I hope you remembered the lube because at this rate before the day is over they will have bent over a table and be saying, 'Bite of this monocle boy, it won't hurt as much!"

Like we didn't all see this coming...

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Originally by: Merouk Baas

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I don't know what you guys expect from this CSM meeting.

I was laughing at the CSM's initial attitude that "we're gonna go there and show CCP what's what." CCP could have communicated with the CSM via email or tweets or whatever other online method, and the only thing that makes sense in my mind as a reason for paying for their tickets to get them on the premises is to have the whole CSM team sign a new NDA, then recruit them as PR to help fix the bad publicity.

Why do you think they're there?

You're all asking if the NEX cash-for-ships and cash-for-skills will be implemented... YES THEY WILL otherwise CCP would have said categorically NO by now. They're in financial trouble, they're losing their company, they will "fix" it the only (idiotic) way they know how.

Such drama on the forums. Any sane person stops paying for something they don't like, and if said thing improves they come back, otherwise they stay away.

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