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Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:44:00 - [1] I don't think anyone has responded yet, right? Even the blue posts in the apology/parley thread have died off? Do you think we'll get a response by end of business?
Kez Aumer	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 - [2] Originally by: Erichan Even the blue posts in the apology/parley thread have died off? Blue replies in that thread died out before the Icelandic working day even began.
Thermoss Devlin Minmatar StarFleet Enterprises BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 - [3] Originally by: Kez Aumer Originally by: Erichan Even the blue posts in the apology/parley thread have died off? Blue replies in that thread died out before the Icelandic working day even began. Aye, after reading so much I doubt that CCP as a company will answer with a positive answer. They'll probably roll over us with shredding machine. Leaving us to rot. They have totally lost my support and there is much that needs to be done if they want regain it. ------------- Hailgrains (?) hit, cut in crops! If one is to die, Another one is born.
Logesh Sinulf	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 - [4] yup so much for an official answer oh look more promises not delivered on im seeing a pattern
Maplestone	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:49:00 - [5] Unless they have evasive maneuvering V, I don't think their agility is going to be high enough to realign in a single day. We might get a response today or tonight, but it wouldn't surprise me if they need another day. It depends how much risk the FC wants to take in this jump.
OverlordY	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:49:00 - [6] CCP - Delivering unfinshed bull**** and broken promises since 2003
Bane Necran Furtim Vigilans	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:51:00 - [7] I'm expecting one hell of a piece of writing from them. Not something you'd be able to, or want to, rush.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:51:00 - [8] In fairness, they need time for meetings to pull together the initial decisions then craft the response. What we need is something telling us they still intend to honor the commitment to communicate. I'd be happy with the blue post that says its still happening and to stay tuned. If this doesn't happen today then the angust goes up another notch over the weekend /sigh.
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:52:00 - [9] Well, it's starting to look unlikely anyone will make an official response before Monday.
Mamayev Kurgan	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:52:00 - [10] I will bet an entire monocle that the response, when it arrives, will promise more response and detail soon. CCP is genetically incapable of completing something in 1 go.

Welcome to Incarna	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:53:00 - [11] [CPP ZULU] is writing words
Bane Necran Furtim Vigilans	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Welcome to Incarna [CPP ZULU] is writing words Guess he drew the shortest straw.
Sovox Amarr Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:55:00 - [13] We could just hope that the Navy SEALS did in fact storm the building.
Keltas Mortermain	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:56:00 - [14] kinda funny there twitters are active yet nothin on here...
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:57:00 - [15] Well better something more thoughtful on something as big as the strategic future of their company than just some token patch message intended to appease the masses. I have played for 3 years and I love this game. I have really respected the work done and the contributions of players and developers alike. The game without players is dead and the players without the game are unhappy. We need each other but things have just gotten unilateral lately and perhaps less than honest. There is nothing here that can't be fixed OVER TIME with owning single biggest problem to which all others are attached: At the center of everything is the question of how much does CCP value its players? In the end that will decide almost everything one what or another, IMHO.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:58:00 - [16] I'm not really holding out for words that have much meaning from CCP right now. Zulu lied to us before and will most likely do so again. --------------------- Countdown to sub running out: 9 days.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:59:00 - [17] With all the subscription cancellations. I bet the morale is pretty low at ÇÇP. Because people will be fired. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:00:00 - [18] Originally by: Thermoss Devlin Aye, after reading so much I doubt that CCP as a company will answer with a positive answer. They'll probably roll over us with shredding machine. Leaving us to rot. They have totally lost my support and there is much that needs to be done if they want regain it. CCP was gained my support for the methods they dealing with crybabies and whiners like you. They should be wiped out all this elitist bittervet bullcrap long time ago not only today.
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Keltas Mortermain kinda funny there twitters are active yet nothin on here... That's because they have been told to refrain from posting until an official devblog with a statement has been posted. That way all of them can stick to that official statement. Damage control like this needs to be done rhetorically and strategically. But like Seleene said, it will be obvious that it IS a strategy. Which probably will **** even more people off. HABIT
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Keltas Mortermain kinda funny there twitters are active yet nothin on here... I suspect that since it's the weekend it will be something along the lines of : "A continuation of an overdue apology and request for party." ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read

Denarius Relaquam	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:01:00 - [21] Now I can understand with all the anger, you'd want to ensure that your words are carefully chosen. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT YOUR LACK OF ANY RESPONSE is causing you to lose more and more every HOUR????? I mean, you are intelligent people......someone needs to start acting like it and at the VERY LEAST - let your players know that you are still reading, are working on a statement to release. SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!! On second thought, perhaps I am viewing this wrong. I am NOTHING more than a "cash cow" to them and they have shown that by a complete and utter lack of respect or adequate response to issues we KNOW you are aware of. I'm tired of paying for you to develop other apps while letting Eve sit and rot, hoping that you can squeeze a little more money out of me. -1 Sub, and leave me sitting here for another ****ing day and it will -2 more.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:01:00 - [22] I think very few people that are not just ranting are really after firings. If Soundwave is passionate about MT then let him move to projects where that is fully embraced. There is no need to lose someone of his talent just over a difference of opinion. Firings solve nothing if the direction doesn't change. If the direction changes, noone needs to be fired...
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:03:00 - [23] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 24/06/2011 16:03:36 Originally by: Sarmatiko CCP was gained my support for the methods they dealing with crybabies and whiners like you. They should be wiped out all this elitist bittervet bullcrap long time ago not only today. sieg heil mein fuhrer ...sieg heil! ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read
enderhexfyre Gallente D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:03:00 - [24] They are still trying to fig out how to still make more money and make this look good at the same time Killboard Link
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Atticus Fynch "A continuation of an overdue apology and request for party." "parlay" not party, you dumb idiot
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Atticus Fynch "A continuation of an overdue apology and request for party." "parlay" not party, you dumb idiot ...and the irony zooms right over your bald head. ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:06:00 - [27] And no blue posts in either threadnaught (pre response is the newsletter true or post Pann response)?
Kez Aumer	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Erichan And no blue posts in either threadnaught (pre response is the newsletter true or post Pann response)? A couple from CCP Manifest in the Pann-thread, mostly just him saying that he's reading.
Theocrates	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Shintai With all the subscription cancellations. I bet the morale is pretty low at ÇÇP. Because people will be fired. Are you kidding? Given some of the agitators who have unsubbed the Devs are running thru the halls singing Ding Dong the Witch is Dead. *By coffee alone I set my mind in motion, by the beans of Java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.*
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:13:00 - [30] and nothing during the business hours of Iceland. Those were mostly last night.. those after were just moderators keeping it from breaking forum guidelines.

Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Zverofaust CCP_OhWell CCP OhWell We're still in intense meetings... solutions are not easy in this. #tweetfleet #eveonline 1 minute ago I guess the real time stuff is all on twitter...
Olvel	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:22:00 - [32] Honestly, after the response on these forums... I wouldn't want to help out. Yeah, fine, lots of folks don't like the changes. I get it. So you post a thread (or two, or ten) and communicate with CCP and see if you can come to an agreement. This crap here on the forums? That isn't even remotely constructive. 150 pages of, more or less, I hate you guys and I hope the company dies. Yeah... That's sure to get them on your side. Throw in some real-life threats... Demand that somebody loses their job... If I was working at CCP I'd be thinking You know what? Fsck you guys. Aurum for everything! Seriously. I think the feedback on these forums passed helpful a long time ago... Shot right past opinionated... Left angry in the dust... Gave not helping a wave on the way by... And sailed straight off into the land of hateful. At this point I'd have a hell of a time finding an official CCP response in this morass.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:24:00 - [33] ITT: no realization that CCP also has an Atlanta office and it's only 12:25. Also, it's 16:25 in Iceland and will continue to be light outside well toward 03:00. ___ Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator
octahexx Charante	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:26:00 - [34] olvel your totally missing the point. ccp shouldnt be worried about ppl posting the forum. they should worry that ppl stop posting in the forum and just dont logon more. their customers are actually trying to HELP ccp from destroying what they have buildt. because they still CARE. if they announce bull**** answers and not hard cold answers ppl will stop post...and the only thing ccp will get is less and less paying customers. and no matter how much u troll or spam or type onliners about that money talks.
Scarlett Anstian Minmatar DPB Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:28:00 - [35] Originally by: Olvel Yeah... That's sure to get them on your side. Throw in some real-life threats... Demand that somebody loses their job... If I was working at CCP I'd be thinking You know what? Fsck you guys. Aurum for everything! Fortunately its they that need us on their side. If your working for CCP then your priority first and foremost is to the customer that pays your wages. No players means they will all likely lose their jobs as the company goes bankrupt. To keep people onside (even the ones raging) they needed to explain the situation and quash all hate mongering. Leaving it this long was a BAAAD idea, just makes people more and more angry. If you think they just go "**** them" then you dont understand how a business works. Even if they dont care, they need to make people believe they do to achieve their own ends.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 - [36] I think Iceland is more relevant than Atlanta because of Hilmer. Let's face it.. isnt WOD being built in Atlanta -_-.
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 - [37] Originally by: Erichan Originally by: Zverofaust CCP_OhWell CCP OhWell We're still in intense meetings... solutions are not easy in this. #tweetfleet #eveonline 1 minute ago I guess the real time stuff is all on twitter... This is not CCP employee. You know this right?
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Olvel Honestly, after the response on these forums... I wouldn't want to help out. Yeah, fine, lots of folks don't like the changes. I get it. So you post a thread (or two, or ten) and communicate with CCP and see if you can come to an agreement. This crap here on the forums? That isn't even remotely constructive. 150 pages of, more or less, I hate you guys and I hope the company dies. Yeah... That's sure to get them on your side. Throw in some real-life threats... Demand that somebody loses their job... If I was working at CCP I'd be thinking You know what? Fsck you guys. Aurum for everything! Seriously. I think the feedback on these forums passed helpful a long time ago... Shot right past opinionated... Left angry in the dust... Gave not helping a wave on the way by... And sailed straight off into the land of hateful. At this point I'd have a hell of a time finding an official CCP response in this morass. DUDE DID YOU REALLY read that thread? There was some AMAZINGLY productive and CONSTRUCTIVE conversations there, there have been SO MANY great posts here about how to move on, and what to do next. There is very little actual "HATE" until you get to the last 30 pages or so, which devolved into just trolling. FFS quit labeling anyone unhappy as a **ing **, try to read things before you post. yeah, I'm mad, I'm mad at CCP, I'm mad at folks like you posting nonsense. AG * Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Jason1138	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:30:00 - [39] i'm sure they're going to say something as vague and weak as possible, and then leave it for the weekend and see if you guys are still mad on monday then they might give you some free SP to calm you down. probably a free (worthless) ship in a few weeks. that's the kind of things that have been done and have worked in the past, no reason to think the average customer has gotten any smarter or acquired any integrity since then
ko4e	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:30:00 - [40] hoping it will blow over i think

Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:30:00 - [41] Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Erichan Originally by: Zverofaust CCP_OhWell CCP OhWell We're still in intense meetings... solutions are not easy in this. #tweetfleet #eveonline 1 minute ago I guess the real time stuff is all on twitter... This is not CCP employee. You know this right? NO, we're idiots. ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:31:00 - [42] Yeah I knew, but I wanted prompt someone with real tweets to post :).
Olvel	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:33:00 - [43] Originally by: octahexx Charante olvel your totally missing the point. ccp shouldnt be worried about ppl posting the forum. they should worry that ppl stop posting in the forum and just dont logon more. their customers are actually trying to HELP ccp from destroying what they have buildt. because they still CARE. No, I'm not missing the point. I've had my Quality Improvement training for the year. I understand quite well that people who complain are better than folks who just don't come back. Like I said - "So you post a thread (or two, or ten) and communicate with CCP and see if you can come to an agreement." But that stopped happening a day or two ago. And when CCP finally did get around to responding (Yes, it was a long time coming. No, it was not a substantive response.) they're greeted with outright hostility. Go look at that request for parley thread... How much of the response in there is even remotely constructive? It looks more like a lynching than folks trying to help CCP correct mistakes.
Keltas Mortermain	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:35:00 - [44] puts on best stewie voice so ccp hows that official response comming you know the official one you been working on the one thats all official like hows that comming for you
Scarlett Anstian Minmatar DPB Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Olvel Go look at that request for parley thread... How much of the response in there is even remotely constructive? Nearly everyone has something constructive to say, it just comes with a pinch of rage. By the way that thread was started last night, so no not a few days ago. It took them that long to respond and they barely answered any questions and the key one that everyone was asking was just ignored. We were told we would get a response today but still no sign of it. Please stop thinking that anyone criticizing CCP at the moment is a troll because they arent (not all). People care passionately about the future of the game and feel they can make an impact by voicing their concerns.
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Olvel Originally by: octahexx Charante olvel your totally missing the point. ccp shouldnt be worried about ppl posting the forum. they should worry that ppl stop posting in the forum and just dont logon more. their customers are actually trying to HELP ccp from destroying what they have buildt. because they still CARE. No, I'm not missing the point. I've had my Quality Improvement training for the year. I understand quite well that people who complain are better than folks who just don't come back. Like I said - "So you post a thread (or two, or ten) and communicate with CCP and see if you can come to an agreement." But that stopped happening a day or two ago. And when CCP finally did get around to responding (Yes, it was a long time coming. No, it was not a substantive response.) they're greeted with outright hostility. Go look at that request for parley thread... How much of the response in there is even remotely constructive? It looks more like a lynching than folks trying to help CCP correct mistakes. DID YOU read it? it is VERY constructive, start over at page one, ignore the ** at the end of it. It wasn't let me romance your nether regions while I tell you how I feel, but it wasn't hostile. * Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Jason1138	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:38:00 - [47] "Go look at that request for parley thread... How much of the response in there is even remotely constructive?" how much of what CCP posted there was remotely constructive? "i have no answers for you" "i can't decide anything, i'm just a mouthpiece" "i won't tell you who wrote that. i'm not throwing them to the wolves (you)" "i'm still reading" "i'm still reading" "i'm still reading" "i can't (won't) answer your questions about RMT and Eve" what did they think that would get them? a gift basket and some thank you cards?
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:38:00 - [48] There are already 400,000 views of that thread 0.o since it started last night about 12 hours ago.
Typecast	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:41:00 - [49] They were probably told not to interact with customers until the blog gets released. Besides if they were to post on the forums what could they possibly say to resolve the situation? I suppose that they could say that only vanity items will be for sales for AUR, but if that was the case they'd have said it already and avoided all the heat they are now getting.
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:44:00 - [50] Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 24/06/2011 16:44:59 If I was a CCP DEV, I would be getting hammered at the pub right now, trying to forget the horrors that lies ahead.

Olvel	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Haraldhardrade If I was an CCP DEV, I would be getting hammered at the pub right now, trying to forget the horrors that lies ahead. Pfft. The devs have it easy. They just write the code they're told to. If I was in PR I'd be hiding under a desk somewhere.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:46:00 - [52] I think the real rage in those other tread(titans?) is that CCP Pann started OFF not even acknowledging the newsletter. As fast as folks were posting, it was like page 10 before she acknowledge it was real (to be fair probably replied within 2 minutes lol but pages were building in blocks of 5 at that time). And she focused on the prices of the Aurum as the biggest issue.. which set people off. If the original message had been a bit more direct, addressed the newsletter, and then had a few more replies to the AUR question rather than dodging it for 120 pages.. the repeat posters wouldnt never have started. Its ok to say.. we cant answer that till tomorrow.
Jason1138	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:48:00 - [53] "Actually, we both need each-other. No players means no EVE, sure. But no EVE means no players." i don't know about some of the basement dwellers here with 30 accounts or whatever, but i'm betting these guys need a job more than i "need" eve. there are tons of games in the world, this is just one of them. and not the one made by the smartest person or made with the most love or made the best either
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:49:00 - [54] Originally by: Olvel Originally by: Haraldhardrade If I was an CCP DEV, I would be getting hammered at the pub right now, trying to forget the horrors that lies ahead. Pfft. The devs have it easy. They just write the code they're told to. If I was in PR I'd be hiding under a desk somewhere. In the world of systems analyst, that is true. Devs just right the code..it's the game designers that create concept and set goals. If they are called Devs also then it doesn't matter. Seems everyone at CCP is a Dev or GM. ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:49:00 - [55] Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 24/06/2011 16:49:47 Originally by: Olvel Originally by: Haraldhardrade If I was an CCP DEV, I would be getting hammered at the pub right now, trying to forget the horrors that lies ahead. Pfft. The devs have it easy. They just write the code they're told to. If I was in PR I'd be hiding under a desk somewhere. Yeah thats correct. But I imagine there be DEV's who also play EVE, who love their company and their game, who are frustrated about all of this. As you said, they just write the code, and cant make business decisions like a manager/ceo can. If I was a DEV, I guess I would want to be vocal about it, but probably had to shut up because not wanting to get fired or whatever. Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Olvel Originally by: Haraldhardrade If I was an CCP DEV, I would be getting hammered at the pub right now, trying to forget the horrors that lies ahead. Pfft. The devs have it easy. They just write the code they're told to. If I was in PR I'd be hiding under a desk somewhere. In the world of systems analyst, that is true. Devs just right the code..it's the game designers that create concept and set goals. If they are called Devs also then it doesn't matter. Seems everyone at CCP is a Dev or GM. also this^^
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:55:00 - [56] Originally by: Olvel Honestly, after the response on these forums... I wouldn't want to help out. Yeah, fine, lots of folks don't like the changes. I get it. So you post a thread (or two, or ten) and communicate with CCP and see if you can come to an agreement. This crap here on the forums? That isn't even remotely constructive. 150 pages of, more or less, I hate you guys and I hope the company dies. Yeah... That's sure to get them on your side. Throw in some real-life threats... Demand that somebody loses their job... If I was working at CCP I'd be thinking You know what? Fsck you guys. Aurum for everything! Seriously. I think the feedback on these forums passed helpful a long time ago... Shot right past opinionated... Left angry in the dust... Gave not helping a wave on the way by... And sailed straight off into the land of hateful. At this point I'd have a hell of a time finding an official CCP response in this morass. If they'd listened in the first place we wouldn't be where we are right now. It's pretty sad when you have to **** up forums/media all over the place to get them some bad PR...just so they'll listen. "the bottom line is in jeopardy, we better do something now" I care about the long-term future of eve as much as the devs do. They created something unique, something great. The bitter vets have been bitter for a long while, and just when things seem they can't get any worse this whole new slew of crap comes out.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:55:00 - [57] 5 minutes till 5pm :( should I change the title of the thread :(?
Keltas Mortermain	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:56:00 - [58] in my eyes they had one shot today to put this right this is kinda one massive middle finger to the community
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Bane Necran Originally by: Welcome to Incarna [CPP ZULU] is writing words Guess he drew the shortest straw. 21st of June: "Usual patch day shenanigans, always those last minute issues to smooth out before things are perfect" He did not derserve a straw. He considered things to be perfect. And he didn't care about yet another failing patch.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:59:00 - [60] updated title

Olvel	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:59:00 - [61] Originally by: Jason1138 i don't know about some of the basement dwellers here with 30 accounts or whatever, but i'm betting these guys need a job more than i "need" eve. there are tons of games in the world, this is just one of them. and not the one made by the smartest person or made with the most love or made the best either I suspect there are probably other jobs out there... Regardless - I was lead to believe that the reason for much of this anger was because people liked EVE and wanted to continue playing the game they liked. Is that not the case? If nobody actually cares about EVE, are they just raging for the fun of it? If you would be just as happy playing some other game - why rage on these forums? Why not just go play something else?
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:01:00 - [62] Jobs in Iceland, after the financial fallout, for a developer? The population is what less than 100k (I seem to remember it being about 65k but I'm sure thats wrong).
MonoclesAreCool	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:01:00 - [63] At least in my mind, the fact that we haven't seen anything so far isn't a good sign. Even a CM coming and saying "This is taking longer then expected, but we're working through the night and will post as soon as it's done" would be better then the silence that we've been treated to after blues stopped responding to the superthreadnaught.
Allyria Kylari	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:06:00 - [64] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Atticus Fynch "A continuation of an overdue apology and request for party." "parlay" not party, you dumb idiot ...and the irony zooms right over your bald head. More like a glancing blow. A stone over smooth water.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:06:00 - [65] Edited by: Erichan on 24/06/2011 17:06:27 In my most jaded self, I figure you'd think that this would blow over and be the normal overreaction to change from a vocal community. If not careful, though, it turns into Nero letting Rome burn.... Did he play violin or something while that happened? Anyone got one?
Jason1138	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:06:00 - [66] "I suspect there are probably other jobs out there..." lol yeah, i'm sure Iceland is crawling with jobs for lousy PR people and questionable quality devs. The Atlanta office people will be fine, but Newcastle isn't a good job market right now either theses jokers need you more than you need them, unless you're one of the guys who list "being an FC" on their CV
Logesh Sinulf	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:10:00 - [67] ccps lack of response is so sad to see
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:11:00 - [68] Greek tragedy anyone? I HATE feeling fatalistic... but the alternative is existentialism. UGH
Logesh Sinulf	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Erichan Greek tragedy anyone? I HATE feeling fatalistic... but the alternative is existentialism. UGH need a hug a beer a cup of tea?
tulsIP	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:14:00 - [70] At least theres no half-assed Hilmar apology. There is hope yet.

Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:15:00 - [71] Honestly, I figure after Hilmer there isn't anywhere to go. At least part of this is deciding when Hilmer speaks because after that.. there is no escalation.
Solid Rock Gallente Under Heavy Fire	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:15:00 - [72] Edited by: Solid Rock on 24/06/2011 17:16:12 Originally by: Erichan Jobs in Iceland, after the financial fallout, for a developer? The population is what less than 100k (I seem to remember it being about 65k but I'm sure thats wrong). Not quite, its about 320k. So still not an amazingly big population, and I'm willing to bet that CCP is a fairly substantial part of the economy. Mind you, I don't think there's much chance of them going down over this. Even if all of the profanity spewing hatemongers in the various threads actually did leave there's still plenty of players who will stick around. -------------- \|Miff to that\| --------------
Chandler Urandom Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:16:00 - [73] Originally by: Welcome to Incarna [CPP ZULU] is writing words Looks promising. All that's left to do is for someone to teach him how to put them into sentences and poast them on the Internets. Who's on it?
Ahrman Vanaheim Caldari Chimaera Combine Novus Dominatum	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:16:00 - [74] It was unfortunate that what started as constuctive criticism initially turned into a fair bit of trolling and foolishness.. Fact remains though, there have been some extremely good posts in 'that' topic, and CCP seems to be wilfully blind to the main problem. I'm guessing that its a combination of hoping the hate dies down, and trying to convince major stakeholders that a change of direction is in the companies interest (this won't be easy with bankers and accountants who only care about their calculators). Just face it, if no MT for game altering items had been the goal, there no way on earth that they would let it get to 150+ pages of ranting without a denial, preferably a very quick one. A sad day.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:17:00 - [75] Originally by: Jason1138 "I suspect there are probably other jobs out there..." lol yeah, i'm sure Iceland is crawling with jobs for lousy PR people and questionable quality devs. The Atlanta office people will be fine, but Newcastle isn't a good job market right now either theses jokers need you more than you need them, unless you're one of the guys who list "being an FC" on their CV To be fair I wouldnt blame this on PR. remember CCP still hasnt figured out a response. Theres only so much a PR rep can do. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:21:00 - [76] Edited by: Erichan on 24/06/2011 17:21:50 Maybe they are on the phone talking to VCs to push back timetables so they can bring the community "around". Can you say ghost town? PS Bans keep growing.. Liang is gone now too sigh
Chigger Troutslayer Internet Spaceship Gamers RED Citizens	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:24:00 - [77] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Atticus Fynch "A continuation of an overdue apology and request for party." "parlay" not party, you dumb idiot ...and the irony zooms right over your bald head. +1 to Atticus If I was a betting man I'd say your right, but I'm not so I'm calling for a truce.
MonoclesAreCool	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:26:00 - [78] So while we're waiting for a reply that looks like it isn't coming, any suggestions for other games to play instead of EVE? I've heard lots of good things about World of Tanks, but outside of that I mainly only pay attention to single player games.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:26:00 - [79] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 24/06/2011 17:28:35 Originally by: MonoclesAreCool So while we're waiting for a reply that looks like it isn't coming, any suggestions for other games to play instead of EVE? I've heard lots of good things about World of Tanks, but outside of that I mainly only pay attention to single player games. The best single player game that really comes very close to EVE is Freelancer. I got hooked on it and was basically the reason I moved to EVE. Freelancer used to have an MMO element, but MS failed to support it and so it died. Originally by: Erichan Edited by: Erichan on 24/06/2011 17:21:50 Maybe they are on the phone talking to VCs to push back timetables so they can bring the community "around". Can you say ghost town? PS Bans keep growing.. Liang is gone now too sigh It's Kristallnacht all over again. Flush out the dissent to make room for the new playerbase. ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:28:00 - [80] Several in my corp are looking into Perpetuum. Eve like (time based skills, single world, player economy) and mech/planetary based. Others have said its not good. Skyrim, Black something, Star Trek Online, and SW The Old Republic have been mentioned. Just what I have seen in posts. I'm still waiting for this to resolve before I walk away completely.

Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:29:00 - [81] Originally by: Chandler Urandom Originally by: Welcome to Incarna [CPP ZULU] is writing words Looks promising. All that's left to do is for someone to teach him how to put them into sentences and poast them on the Internets. Who's on it? That's a few hours old by now. If it takes him that long to write an explanation of what's going on, it's likely that it will either be bullsh!t to us (they're sicking to their guns FFFFUUUUU), or bullsh!t to them (another empty, meaingless wall of text). Either way, don't care. I'm gone. --------------------- Countdown to sub running out: 9 days.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:30:00 - [82] Originally by: Atticus Fynch It's Kristallnacht all over again. Flush out the dissent to make room for the new playerbase. Id be really careful about going there. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Lil' Bo Peep	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:31:00 - [83] This will be dealt with. No matter how long it takes. Some things are worth fighting for.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:31:00 - [84] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 24/06/2011 17:31:18 Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: Atticus Fynch It's Kristallnacht all over again. Flush out the dissent to make room for the new playerbase. Id be really careful about going there. I was being figurative. Hopefully it will be seen that way. if not, my sub ends tomorrow anyway. ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read
Olvel	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:35:00 - [85] Edited by: Olvel on 24/06/2011 17:37:59 Originally by: Ahrman Vanaheim It was unfortunate that what started as constuctive criticism initially turned into a fair bit of trolling and foolishness.. Agreed. Originally by: Ahrman Vanaheim Fact remains though, there have been some extremely good posts in 'that' topic, and CCP seems to be wilfully blind to the main problem. I haven't seen a whole lot of willful blindness, myself. I haven't seen a whole lot of anything from CCP, myself. Originally by: Ahrman Vanaheim I'm guessing that its a combination of hoping the hate dies down, and trying to convince major stakeholders that a change of direction is in the companies interest (this won't be easy with bankers and accountants who only care about their calculators). Like it or not, it is all about the bottom line. Originally by: Ahrman Vanaheim Just face it, if no MT for game altering items had been the goal, there no way on earth that they would let it get to 150+ pages of ranting without a denial, preferably a very quick one. I think the problem is that the community here on the forums is asking for some kind of garontee that Aurum for non-vanity items will never happen. And I don't think anyone is willing to give that kind of garontee, regardless of what the plans are right now. Because those plans may very well change in a month, or year, or two - and then they're faced with another sh!tstorm because CCP promised Aurum for non-vanity items would never happen. ---EDIT--- Originally by: MonoclesAreCool So while we're waiting for a reply that looks like it isn't coming, any suggestions for other games to play instead of EVE? X3 is a very good, very EVE-like single player game.
Lucilla Giulia	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:37:00 - [86] Originally by: Erichan Several in my corp are looking into Perpetuum. Eve like (time based skills, single world, player economy) and mech/planetary based. Others have said its not good. Perpetuum is a nice game, costs very few, and given the company is stil new they actually take care of their game. Problem is not many players online, which considering it's a player driven economy isn't helping much thou, if EVE fails and people start moving over there... i'd suggest u go and give it a try
Guttripper Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:45:00 - [87] Why do I get the subtle feeling CCP is laughing at us? I can picture Soundwave, "These fools! We know they are addicted to this game and they know it too. They're just not smart enough to see the bigger picture. Let them stew over the weekend and come Monday, it will be business as usual." Then the group clinks their beer bottles together, confident the money will roll in... shrug
Logesh Sinulf	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:46:00 - [88] this is just sad i had ccp in higher regard ur now down with soe
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:48:00 - [89] I honestly think this is going to sit over the weekend. Anyone rememer Chemistry.. Endo- and Exo- thermic reactions? It's like they think this wont get bigger with time.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:48:00 - [90] Originally by: Guttripper Why do I get the subtle feeling CCP is laughing at us? I can picture Soundwave, "These fools! We know they are addicted to this game and they know it too. They're just not smart enough to see the bigger picture. Let them stew over the weekend and come Monday, it will be business as usual." Then the group clinks their beer bottles together, confident the money will roll in... shrug Of course. That is why players are saying EVE is dead. It will continue (successfully or not is up to debate) with a new direction and new playerbase, but the EVE we once knew is long gone. ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read

Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:49:00 - [91] Originally by: Jason1138 "Go look at that request for parley thread... How much of the response in there is even remotely constructive?" ... "i'm still reading" "i'm still reading" "i'm still reading" ... you wouldn't believe! i stoped to read that **** on page 4. You really want CCP guys to read whole 10000000 whine posts and answer to each? They offered discussion. People simply ruined it. By copypasting from other threads. People simply don't read name of a thread. How it could be done right way? Well. EASY. first person made post with some correct questions. Why not simply wait until he gets answers and then continue discussion? What to flood whole thread for? What all those person-to-person discussions for? I really sure noone from CCP will take a look there. Not because they are bad. Just because i don't see what can they do there.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:50:00 - [92] Has there been any more press coverage other than the token "eve burns" blogs? (not that i dont think that piece was EXCELLENT). Media spotlights would shine a light on this and provoke a response I would think.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:52:00 - [93] Edited by: Erichan on 24/06/2011 17:53:05 Originally by: Miss Rabblt Originally by: Jason1138 "Go look at that request for parley thread... How much of the response in there is even remotely constructive?" ... "i'm still reading" "i'm still reading" "i'm still reading" ... you wouldn't believe! i stoped to read that **** on page 4. You really want CCP guys to read whole 10000000 whine posts and answer to each? They offered discussion. People simply ruined it. By copypasting from other threads. People simply don't read name of a thread. How it could be done right way? Well. EASY. first person made post with some correct questions. Why not simply wait until he gets answers and then continue discussion? What to flood whole thread for? What all those person-to-person discussions for? I really sure noone from CCP will take a look there. Not because they are bad. Just because i don't see what can they do there. The RIGHT answer would have been to consult the CSM or to have talked with them as Seleene pointed out, numerous times. Almost all this drama would have been avoidable or manageable if they used the leadership they created. EDIT: BEFORE launching Incarna
Lil' Bo Peep	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:59:00 - [94] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Guttripper Why do I get the subtle feeling CCP is laughing at us? I can picture Soundwave, "These fools! We know they are addicted to this game and they know it too. They're just not smart enough to see the bigger picture. Let them stew over the weekend and come Monday, it will be business as usual." Then the group clinks their beer bottles together, confident the money will roll in... shrug Of course. That is why players are saying EVE is dead. It will continue (successfully or not is up to debate) with a new direction and new playerbase, but the EVE we once knew is long gone. No, what happens next is a valid alternative to EVE. At the moment EVE has no competition... it has grown fat on hubris.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:03:00 - [95] hopefully with all the wars over (LOL) we can get back to where's the beef?
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:12:00 - [96] Originally by: Erichan The RIGHT answer would have been to consult the CSM or to have talked with them as Seleene pointed out, numerous times. Almost all this drama would have been avoidable or manageable if they used the leadership they created. EDIT: BEFORE launching Incarna completely agree. but it doesn't make forum flooding more reasonable
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:16:00 - [97] Originally by: CCP Fallout My understanding is that a blog is being worked on. I don';t know what the ETA of it is, as the Community team has been too busy handling war declarations from various countries. LOL!
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:17:00 - [98] We've been had. SOE all over again.... Sad really, I don't want to see EVE die or CCP but they don't seem to want to help themselves, the grass is never greener on the other side, anyone that has ever tried has found that to be true.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 - [99] so its what 6:20 and the dev blog is being "worked on". blood in the water...
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:27:00 - [100] Originally by: Erichan so its what 6:20 and the dev blog is being "worked on". blood in the water... I'm sorry but the most questions were relatively simple to answer. If they had a clear path and a clear reason it shouldn't have taken more than a couple of hours to have drafted and completed a response. They've now had several days. The truth is they don't care. Much like SOE it appears they've made up their mind and the hell with all of use. It's been a good run, shame it has to end like that. As more lose hope then you enter the phase were its not possible to spring back. The longer it goes the worse it always is. I mean I'm paid for 6 more months so I'm sure I'll play that out always pay by the year. But lot of folks don't and their decisions are being made now, the game can't survive without them, Greed is Good shows us that. They've had incompetent management that has squandered their cash cow by letting it coast for 2 years until subscriptions started to dip. Unless they are willing to turn course they'll go down with this. It isn't any one person but sadly the corporate arrogance that seems to have arisen as they've not really had to weather any really hard times.

Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:29:00 - [101] In fairness, delays can be from long call with investors and the board to talk about how to handle this. If they are taking us seriously, its more than just Hilmer making the call. He's accountable to a network of business relationships. Undoubtedly he's doing damage control in multiple directions-investors, partners, media, and through staff to employees.
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:31:00 - [102] In fairness, Hilmer is accountable to a number of business entities-investors, partners, media, employees, and the players. He's likely been in conversations all day with a variety of them. It's not easy to move on a dime like this. But the community would calm down if it was more than CCP Fallout saying a dev blog "is being worked on".
Keltas Mortermain	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:33:00 - [103] wouldnt be so bad but all it taqkes its a yes or no main question is... are you planning on going past vanity items ships/mods/ammo/faction standing and skillpoints we aint asking for a 5 page response just a yes or no nothing more nothing less.. kinda shows how little ccp respect us as players
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:36:00 - [104] well lets do a little hypothetical: Say CCP needs money. They sell a new model to investors saying they will earn money over several years if they do MT. Agreements and commitments are made. Now the community is in an uproar and its failscading fast. You cant unwind/renegotiate stuff like that in an hour, on a Friday, with European/Asian bankers at 6:30pm.
Logesh Sinulf	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:37:00 - [105] to be fair if they needed money why not just say i would have gladdly tacked some additional $$ onto my account sub
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:41:00 - [106] Erichan who's CCP alt are you, why do you defend them so much? If they made promises they can't keep then they are in deep doo doo and nothing they say on this forum will save them.
Kasigi Caldari The Demi-Fallen Ones	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:46:00 - [107] Originally by: Erichan Well better something more thoughtful on something as big as the strategic future of their company than just some token patch message intended to appease the masses. I have played for 3 years and I love this game. I have really respected the work done and the contributions of players and developers alike. The game without players is dead and the players without the game are unhappy. We need each other but things have just gotten unilateral lately and perhaps less than honest. There is nothing here that can't be fixed OVER TIME with owning single biggest problem to which all others are attached: At the center of everything is the question of how much does CCP value its players? In the end that will decide almost everything one what or another, IMHO. Well said Erichan, I myself have been playing on mains and alts for 7 years and yes CCP has hiccups here and there but they have been responded to in a timely fashion or solved. It is the waiting that is making us stew in our own juices. I enjoy Eve but I am seriously reconsidering my position as of the last 3 days. My confidence in CCP has dropped through the floor and hopefully they themselves will stop it from dropping further. Originally by: CCP Fallout My understanding is that a blog is being worked on. I don';t know what the ETA of it is, as the Community team has been too busy handling war declarations from various countries. Well said CCP Fallout. For 50 billion we will end the war. 07 _______________
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:03:00 - [108] Originally by: El'Niaga Erichan who's CCP alt are you, why do you defend them so much? If they made promises they can't keep then they are in deep doo doo and nothing they say on this forum will save them. LOL.. i have unsubbed 2/3 accounts with a 3rd in the balance. I am mad as hell about the newsletter. I'm not CCP alt. I DO however care that we take a level-headed approach. Blame, bombast, flaming achieves nothing that we're all interested in.
Logesh Sinulf	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:09:00 - [109] still nothing ccp intresting 1.do you care about players? 2.do we mean so little to you? this is gonna be alot to comeback from and its gonna take time to regain the trust and respect
Kara Liselle	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:21:00 - [110] Holy crap they are blowing up the monument off Jita-4-4

Kara Liselle	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:26:00 - [111] Edited by: Kara Liselle on 24/06/2011 19:32:44 http://www.justin.tv/deamosseraph#/w/1380742320
Beithir	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:28:00 - [112] CCP is in reinforced, expect replies when the heat cooled down.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:30:00 - [113] Originally by: Kara Liselle http://www.justin.tv/deamosseraph#/w/1380742320 they are taking out the momument by 4-4 as protest. haha A virtual revolution. LOL!!! I love it. ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read
Kasigi Caldari The Demi-Fallen Ones	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:35:00 - [114] Originally by: Kara Liselle Edited by: Kara Liselle on 24/06/2011 19:32:44 http://www.justin.tv/deamosseraph#/w/1380742320 Epic!! I guess a protest is sarting in Amarr too. _______________
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:39:00 - [115] i wonder if the media is picking up on how big a deal this is?
Vyncente	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:03:00 - [116] Fallout is on twitter commenting on the protest i n jita and amarr. haha.
Kara Liselle	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:11:00 - [117] Edited by: Kara Liselle on 24/06/2011 20:12:13 "Mod helicityboson: Griz: sorry for the inconvenience." On the Justin.tv site where the main protest is on live video, haha
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 - [118] Originally by: Miss Rabblt They offered discussion. Paying customers already tried to deliver relevant feedback for free, multiple times. Expecting paying customers to repeat themselves is fail.


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