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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
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I am calling on a mass walk out of CSM representatives
CSM members are currently viewed by the game base in on of the following brackets:
* Viewed with incredulity that you actually think you are going to change anything. * Viewed with disdain as attention seeking free holiday grabbers. * Viewed with contempt as pushing your own or your own alliances agenda. * Viewed with disgust as collaborators in CCPs great free PR experience.
The original CSM concept was created by Hillmarrgh to "look in every corner" to make sure CCP were not involved in abusing the player base.
This has not turned out to be the case.
A mass walk out by some or All of the CSM members will redeem three years of farce, as weekly you were patronised, patted on the head, handed free CCP bum bags and posters, and subsequently ignored by the CCP devs.
Walking out now will mean the original concept of the CSM, representatives of the player base forcing CCP to remain honest, will rise Phoenix like from the debasement that it is now.
Its not too late, Dear CSM member. Its not to late to redeem yourself
Do it for EVE. Do it for The Players. Do it for The Devs even now gagged in fear of the money men. Do it for principal. Do it for the truth.
Rage threads are not going to change a thing. Only un-subscriptions will change it. Or bad press. Bad press like the group CCP set up to ensure they were acting honestly resigning due to their lack of honesty.
Be A Phoenix. Take Your Chance. Resign publicly now
Fly like a phoenix my friends..... FLY! (o)
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
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/signed Signature removed. Discussing warnings or bans in your signature is not permitted. |
Cailais
Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:46:00 -
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Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.
Oh wait.
C.
'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011 (ಠ_O)
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Korinne
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 -
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+1
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:48:00 -
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These guys get free vacations and beer parties. I dont think they are going anywhere.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.
Oh wait.
C.
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PresidentScrewb
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:48:00 -
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i agree. CSM should go.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.
Oh wait.
C.
What good is a CSM if they're unable to speak?
HABIT
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:49:00 -
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.
Oh wait.
C.
Yes because the path of communication you mention has done a fantastic job over the years of conveying the thoughts and demands of the playerbase to CCP.
Such an excellent job, we are not currently sitting in the biggest ****e-storm the game has ever seen.
Resign, I cry. Whether it be in SHAME at your failure or in PRINCPAL.
(o)
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:52:00 -
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Because throwing immature temper tantrums ever did any good ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:52:00 -
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CSM has nothing to be ashamed of. They did their job, it was CCP who did not.
Still, a mass resignation would reflect terribly on CCP. That would indeed be a black mark on the record.
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.
Oh wait.
C.
Yes it is. Removing the CSM path of communication leaves only one route. Us. The customers. As it SHOULD BE.
Originally by: McKinlay When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest These guys get free vacations and beer parties. I dont think they are going anywhere.
This is an example of the second case i mentioned in my op
"* Viewed with disdain as attention seeking free holiday grabbers."
You can change this, and many more like hims, opinions of you, dear CSM representative. In one foul swoop.
Resign now, and instantly gain
Credulity Respect Admiration And indeed... perhaps Forgiveness.
And the knowledge that you have done what is right. (o)
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Sinker1345
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:54:00 -
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/signed
CSM has put in their inputs and either been ignored or betrayed by CCP I lost trust in them long before I lost trust in CCP
redem yourselves now and walk out, prove to them they you are not free PR patsies
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 24/06/2011 15:54:44 I will say this.
You ****ers begged me to vote for you on the forums.
You ****ers begged for me to vote for you in game.
You ****ers begged for me to vote for you via EvEmail.
You ****ers even hit me up on twitter.
You ****ers have done ZERO for me.
You can ROT. The only reason you even exist is because CCP was caught CHEATING. Quit or don't quit, I hold you in the highest disregard. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Ashlar Maidstone
Amarr Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:56:00 -
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/signed and supported!!
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Dreadlocker
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:56:00 -
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The CSM should not walk out now. We need them now more than ever. Open channels of productive communication can turn this around.
Long live EVE
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:57:00 -
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would be amazing to see
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PresidentScrewb
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ashlar Maidstone /signed and supported!!
this
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 24/06/2011 15:54:44 I will say this.
You ****ers begged me to vote for you on the forums.
You ****ers begged for me to vote for you in game.
You ****ers begged for me to vote for you via EvEmail.
You ****ers even hit me up on twitter.
You ****ers have done ZERO for me.
You can ROT. The only reason you even exist is because CCP was caught CHEATING. Quit or don't quit, I hold you in the highest disregard.
This
Supported, the unlikely to happen.
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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:59:00 -
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Yea everything didn't go exactly as planned once let me quit about it~
Nah, Ima stay and continue to work with my CSM bros to provide feedback (fair amount of negative at the moment) to CCP. Momma didn't raise no quitter.
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Ajunyx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:00:00 -
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What? The CSM are fine. They've already said they were just as shocked by how this all went down and they're trying to figure out what do with themselves. I'm sorry that you expect INSTANT RESULTS from the CSM. This is infantile and comes off as basically a temper tantrum. CCPs failure to communicate with the CSM isn't the CSMs fault. You're basically just looking for people to whine about now.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.
Yes because the path of communication you mention has done a fantastic job over the years of conveying the thoughts and demands of the playerbase to CCP.
That's the funny thing. Whenever CCP runs something by the CSM and they take the CSM's input into account, things generally turn out alright. When CCP completely bypasses the CSM and runs off to do whatever they feel is necessary, we get this.
Not the CSM's fault. Seleene has been doing an excellent job of keeping us up to date if you bother to look.
- "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:01:00 -
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Though I mean it may send a really loud message if Le Skunk of the mighty Low Sec Liberators resigned in protest and never posted again, ever. Also the message would be louder if he gave me his stuff before he left. Just sayin'
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Samantha Seraya
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:02:00 -
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/signed
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:02:00 -
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I've thought about it, go back for a few years I don't have much faith in the CSM but that's because I realize what it is. Its a firewall, nothing more nothing less. Designed as a PR move to help placate the community after T20.
I don't feel that they should walk out, at least keep the line open. But it is very clear that that line is not being used and is being used less and less in recent months. At some point you do have to weigh if its worth it.
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Jean Misto
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ajunyx What? The CSM are fine. They've already said they were just as shocked by how this all went down and they're trying to figure out what do with themselves.
That's exactly the point.
The CSM don't do anything, not because they aren't trying, but because CCP doesn't let them, they don't let them know what's going on, and they don't let them influence anything.
The point of a walkout would be a way for the CSM to protest CCP, we aren't angry at the actual CSM members. |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:02:00 -
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This CSM is inadequate, but we knew that's what we'd be getting. I prefer them on the sidelines, tbh. If Mittens wants to apologize to Mynxee that would be nice, but he admits mistakes about as freely as CCP does.
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Darius III
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:03:00 -
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I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties.
Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle.
I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here
In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high."
I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game.
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