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I Love Boobies Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:05:00 - [61] Skunk: I was talking from CCP's point of view. I know the CSM doesn't meddle in CCP's business. I know what it's there for. Was just implying CCP would be happy to see it gone because they might feel as if the CSM meddles in CCP business. CCP would be able to get away with more shenanigans a lot easier.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:47:00 - [62] Originally by: I Love Boobies Skunk: I was talking from CCP's point of view. I know the CSM doesn't meddle in CCP's business. I know what it's there for. Was just implying CCP would be happy to see it gone because they might feel as if the CSM meddles in CCP business. CCP would be able to get away with more shenanigans a lot easier. I was waiting for another CSM thread to surface so I could share a thought.... I love the CSM conceptually, and it was a brilliant idea on the part of Hilmar to begin with. I applaud his sensibility there. That being said, we have a dilemma - clearly the CSM needs more authority. The idea of the CSM, no matter how noble of CCP, was not enough to prevent CCP from grossly betraying the community's trust and respect. They warned CCP all along this storm was coming, but were impotent in the end. It's not their fault, they've done a great job of sharing our thoughts, with CCP But in this matter, regarding the leak of the document, the CSM DID meddle in CCP's business. Someone blew a whistle, confirmed the existence and reality of leaked internal documents, ones that were no doubt protected by non-disclosure agreements. Since an element or elements within the CSM participated in a breach of NDA, I would not be surprised if they took a big trust hit from CCP. CCP employees are likely going to scoop a lot more documents into their drawers during CSM tours from now on, leaving the CSM even further in the dark as to where the company is headed. I know the whistleblowers are regarded as champions, and did indeed bring a much needed hot iron to the feet of CCP management who decided to ignore their repeated demands by the playerbase, but at the same time they probably broke the rules, and may have hurt their own efforts to improve the game in the long run. I dont want to sound too harsh on the CSM, I'm sure they all have the community's best interest at heart. I just wanted to point out this is a complicated matter with consequences for all parties involved in terms of trustworthiness and respect for procedures.
Tea Ester Elliot	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:54:00 - [63] Who cares about the CSM? Seriously, it's a glorified popularity contest with a vacation reward. It hasn't had a hand in EVE's developement ever. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either insane or a CSM member/hopeful looking for a free holiday. Mittens' posting should give you a pretty clear idea of how CSM works: ~drunk last night, can't say anything, gotta go~ So why would anyone care if they resign or not? They are symbolic of nothing but voting blocks.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:01:00 - [64] Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 20:02:37 Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot Who cares about the CSM? Seriously, it's a glorified popularity contest with a vacation reward. It hasn't had a hand in EVE's developement ever. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either insane or a CSM member/hopeful looking for a free holiday. Mittens' posting should give you a pretty clear idea of how CSM works: ~drunk last night, can't say anything, gotta go~ So why would anyone care if they resign or not? They are symbolic of nothing but voting blocks. Good points. As for who would care, I would suggest the same media outlets that we interested in the first place about the CSM. Real media outlets which printed the PR in the first place (bbc, washington times etc) The irony of the body employed by CCP to guarantee its honesty and transparency , resigning due to lack of honesty and transparency is delicious The secondary parallel with real word events (which they LOVE to report on) with the jita riots would almost write the piece itself for a lazy hack. Its just the sort of story that would get picked up. Or they, and us, can continue the same process of dialogue that has in three years produced nothing but a 200 item to do list which CCP have ignored in favour of the path they presently find themselves on. It is also a fantastic chance for the CSM candidates to prove they are not just fickle internet gimps and in fact have substance, honor and backbone. SKUNK (o)
ABSSM Skagpikey Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:09:00 - [65] I will resign wait a minute i am not CSM. But if we could come out on strike next thursday it would be great has we could all jion the teachers and the other unions that are coming out on strike. Btw i support this thread
Hillside Strangler	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:10:00 - [66] THESE NERDS TAKE THIS **** SERIOUS
Meissa Anunthiel	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:18:00 - [67] Originally by: Darius III I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties. Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle. I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high." I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game. I take great pride in being called an assclown by idiots, means I must be doing something right. If you want to wardec us, we live in Vestouve (that's in Placid), feel free to come, we're looking for people to shoot. ----- Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6
Two step Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:19:00 - [68] Originally by: Darius III I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties. Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle. I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high." I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game. A slight correction here. Right now, pretty much everyone on the CSM is in fact working very hard to do what we can for the players. Darius III has spent his time trolling the CSM Skype channel with inane threats and musing about how he can smartbomb/suicide gank the people protesting in Jita. We have been posting as best we can. You can see a bunch of our thoughts in threads like this one. Remember that many of us have jobs, and cannot devote every waking minute to digging CCP out of the giant crater they drove EVE into. Personally, I have cancelled the subs on all 3 of my accounts, and I urge players to do the same. This is a clear metric that CCP is paying attention to, and is one of the best ways to make it clear to them that they are on the wrong track. Two step for CSM6 - http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/
Dragan Moonraker Rheinbraun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:42:00 - [69] No Microtransactions. No Aurum.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:45:00 - [70] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel I take great pride in being called an assclown by idiots, means I must be doing something right. But do you take pride in being made to look like assclowns by the people you are working with at CCP Originally by: Two step We have been posting as best we can. You can see a bunch of our thoughts in threads like this one. Remember that many of us have jobs, and cannot devote every waking minute to digging CCP out of the giant crater they drove EVE into. Personally, I have cancelled the subs on all 3 of my accounts, and I urge players to do the same. This is a clear metric that CCP is paying attention to, and is one of the best ways to make it clear to them that they are on the wrong track. One of the best ways would be for you to resign. The fact you naturaly have real life time issues SHOULD FURTHER drive you to resign. Why are you devoting valuable time to dialogue with CCP when they pay no attention to you. Why will you continue to do so? SKUNK (o)

AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:47:00 - [71] This CSM sucks (but that was to be expected, so I'm not bothered by it.) Last CSM was awesome (they fought the good fight and then some.) Please stop referring to 'the CSM'.
Amar Azaph	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:48:00 - [72] If I was a talking head nestled in the back pocket of someone giving me freebies, then there's not a cats chance I'd leave. Nobody in their right mind give up such a lucrative position. So what if your viewed as some sort of patsy that nods their head on command ? C'mon guys, get real- never happen. Sent from a campfire using smoke signals.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 - [73] "We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale." Walk out CSM. Walk out. SKUNK (o)
Two step Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 - [74] Originally by: Le Skunk One of the best ways would be for you to resign. The fact you naturaly have real life time issues SHOULD FURTHER drive you to resign. Why are you devoting valuable time to dialogue with CCP when they pay no attention to you. Why will you continue to do so? Because I do care about this game, and the awesome folks in AHARM and the rest of the people that voted for me. Two step for CSM6 - http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:13:00 - [75] Resign. SKUNK (o)
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:35:00 - [76] Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. CCP does not need the CSM to get feedback. EVE players work at CCP, they are just ignored, just as the CSM are. __________
Larik Olen	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:40:00 - [77] Not signed. If anything they need the CSM now more than ever.
Talsha Talamar Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:41:00 - [78] Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 25/06/2011 03:42:10 The CSM resigning would send a clear message to the public. It would give the protest a stronger momentum in the news cycle. A simple reason why I am supporting clears throat Le Skunk... shakes head and gargles with acid to get rid of the taste Sandbox or Death!
Gothikia Regeneration	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:44:00 - [79] I fully support the CSM. They're vital and symbolic, but I'm afraid that symbolic is all they are after the events of the last week. I hope with everything in me that CCP Management will listen to them, call an emergency summit and get all of this sorted. It is badly needed.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:46:00 - [80] resign they ignore and laugh at you, by resigning you will do more for the community than ccp will ever let you do

Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:49:00 - [81] A mass walk out by the CSM has no real upsides and several downsides.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:57:00 - [82] Originally by: Emperor Cheney A mass walk out by the CSM has no real upsides and several downsides. it will show how far out of touch ccp are with players that not even csm have any affect on ccp thought process, actions speak louder than words
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:15:00 - [83] Originally by: leth ghost Originally by: Emperor Cheney A mass walk out by the CSM has no real upsides and several downsides. it will show how far out of touch ccp are with players that not even csm have any affect on ccp thought process, actions speak louder than words Subscriptions speak louder than both, and as far as actions/words go, I don't believe some PR stunt "walkout" (of what, their own bedrooms and living rooms?) speaks any louder than the threadnaughts we are seeing here. Meanwhile, we the players are down our only representatives.
AnzacPaul	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:19:00 - [84] CSM, we are with you. Now it's time for you to be with us. And not CCP. We support you. But you know aswell as we do CCP arent listening. Actions speak louder than words guys. Your getting the same spin we are. That email from Hilmar if legit shows that CCP are rotten from the top down. They aren't interested in us. you think they are interested in you?
Dare Knight Minmatar OSI Holdings	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:20:00 - [85] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel Originally by: Darius III I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties. Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle. I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high." I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game. I take great pride in being called an assclown by idiots, means I must be doing something right. If you want to wardec us, we live in Vestouve (that's in Placid), feel free to come, we're looking for people to shoot. Pardon the question but..... with an attitude like that, who the hell elected you to represent the playerbase? --- <Insert whitty signature here>
Carmine Lady Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:22:00 - [86] Been here 4 years and i find this treatment of the CSM very upsetting :( so +1 ------ FREE HELICITY FREE LIANG FREE ANGELHUN REVOLT AGAINST THE OPPRESSIVE TYRANT CCP
Scerolikk Teromni Atrocious Order	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:22:00 - [87] Originally by: Ajunyx They've already said they were just as shocked by how this all went down Which goes to show you exactly how little CCP cares about them, and how little clout they have with anything more than UI and minor gameplay changes. -- Quote: Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
noonien shakra Lar B523610-9	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:23:00 - [88] /signed __________________ I knew this would happen !
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:26:00 - [89] im with the csm they have been shat on by ccp but they could say we dont want to work with ccp untill a we will be listened to
Vikarion Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:27:00 - [90] Please, CSM, don't let them use you anymore. Resign. - - - Originally by: CCP Pann If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it. Originally by: Hilmar this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.



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