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Heaven's Judgment
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:04:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Jean Misto
Originally by: Ajunyx
What? The CSM are fine. They've already said they were just as shocked by how this all went down and they're trying to figure out what do with themselves.
That's exactly the point.
The CSM don't do anything, not because they aren't trying, but because CCP doesn't let them, they don't let them know what's going on, and they don't let them influence anything.
The point of a walkout would be a way for the CSM to protest CCP, we aren't angry at the actual CSM members.
Maybe the CSM have information we don't? They ARE under NDA after all. I'd like for them to make some sort of statement, maybe.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:05:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Dreadlocker
The CSM should not walk out now. We need them now more than ever. Open channels of productive communication can turn this around.
Long live EVE
Currently we get more communication from monitoring one random devs Twitter Feed
All we get from the CSM is the same as we have always got. A mix of:
pseudo professionalism
diarys
quotas
agendas
requests for comments
self justification
long winded exasperated posts at how ccp are not listening to them
the occasional attempt at cheating (Larkonis)
the occasional mysterious sacking (ankhemankaporai)
And a generally self important, puffed up, slightly sneering, occasionally outright mocking attitude.
They cannot save us through talk. They CAN save us through ACTION
Hold down alt, and type in quafe, My dear CSM comrades. You will not see a naked Quafe girl. But you will see a beautiful new dawn in your life.
(o)
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:09:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Darius III
They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone.
Thats the CSMs one and only role!
Grow some backbone man.
They have humiliated you!
Now humiliate THEM!
Tender your resignation.
And you find the public admiration, astonishment, and love you have been seeking all of your attention grabbing and amusing forum posts have been seeking.
(o)
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Captain Dylan Hunt
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:11:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Le Skunk
* Viewed with contempt as pushing your own or your own alliances agenda.
The original CSM concept was created by Hillmarrgh to "look in every corner" to make sure CCP were not involved in abusing the player base.
IMO this is a problem I see for those of us that genuinely have the best interests of EVE Online and the interests of the player base at heart.
Most of the CSM seem to be from big alliances because they have the sheer numbers of votes behind them that a big alliance can pull...the little guy will never get into a position that they can make a difference.
Originally by: Le Skunk
The original CSM concept was created by Hillmarrgh to "look in every corner" to make sure CCP were not involved in abusing the player base.
Then wouldn't it be better for the CSM to get stuck into CCP, rather than walk away from them? So they might annoy some Devs, and ruin their chances of CCP approving their application when the next CSM votes roll around, and then lose their free trip(s) to Iceland...so what?
The CSM are meant to be in CSM for us, not for all the cool freebies they get from CCP.
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Theocrates
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:12:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Darius III
They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone.
Thats the CSMs one and only role!
Grow some backbone man.
They have humiliated you!
Now humiliate THEM!
Tender your resignation.
And you find the public admiration, astonishment, and love you have been seeking all of your attention grabbing and amusing forum posts have been seeking.
All the unsubs since this went nova and yet you are still here? Ahh well, geuss the good guys can't win every battle.
***By coffee alone I set my mind in motion, by the beans of Java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.*** |
Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:14:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 24/06/2011 16:18:22
Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 24/06/2011 16:17:46
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Agree. CSM is in a very awkward situation.
Some of the Gifts ccp give out are nice.....
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Captain Dylan Hunt
Originally by: Le Skunk
The original CSM concept was created by Hillmarrgh to "look in every corner" to make sure CCP were not involved in abusing the player base.
Then wouldn't it be better for the CSM to get stuck into CCP, rather than walk away from them? So they might annoy some Devs, and ruin their chances of CCP approving their application when the next CSM votes roll around, and then lose their free trip(s) to Iceland...so what?
The CSM are meant to be in CSM for us, not for all the cool freebies they get from CCP.
Excellent points.
I am sure you know the drip drip PR feed CCP did both when the CSM was initiated, and subsequently.
Not only the gamer mags and sites were smothered with "Brave CCP, How ingenious, How Cutting edge" type posts, but also many mainstream media sites
The BBC, Wall Street Times to name a few
CCP could not have paid for this exposure. Certainly well worth throwing some dudes a free jolly to iceland with some posters thrown in.
Sure the CSM could continue a three year dialogue that has demonstrably massively and disastrously failed.
That will work... right?
(o)
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:21:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Theocrates
All the unsubs since this went nova and yet you are still here? Ahh well, geuss the good guys can't win every battle.
Not sure what that means? It could mean im one of the good guys and you think i should unsub. Or it could mean your annoyed that with all the unsubs and I am not one of them. Flesh it out and I can respond, or dont, as you wish.
SKUNK
(o)
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Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 -
[39]
I will be announcing shortly that all the CSM corps will be wardeced by the 0rphanage in a rotation corp/alliance one by one. Still working on the details though.
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Just Another Toon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:30:00 -
[40]
you know what
/signed
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:32:00 -
[41]
We want the heads of CCP, let the CSM keep theirs.
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"We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value" |
SilentSkills
Gallente
Tax Evaders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:35:00 -
[42]
CSM should stay, at the very least they can inform us
MonocleMonocle
The door thread - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID |
Korerin Mayul
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:38:00 -
[43]
Originally by: SilentSkills
CSM should stay, at the very least they can inform us
no, they cant, because CCP has just completely undermined them as a stake-holder by breaking the MT promise.
i dont see CCP undermining any of their other stakeholders.
CSM please resign, not because you are rubbish but because CCP are rubbish.
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T0KER
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:38:00 -
[44]
IF THE CSM DO NOT WALK OUT THEY ARE SELLING THE COMMUNITY OUT FOR THE PRICE OF A FEW TRIPS TO ICELAND.
GUESS WHAT? ICELAND SUCKS DO THE RIGHT THING.
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Slaktoid
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:50:00 -
[45]
We need the CSM. I have no insight in what goes on inside the CSM, and I'm sure there's a fair amount of wannabe's in that group (look at my shiny forum badge!omfghh! I'm important!). I believe the majority of them are interessted in doing good, important work for the community, though. I would like them to be abit more aggressive though. To take more of a journalistic approach towards CCP.
You are there to make CCP's life harder. To push the organization into creating a better game, to help CCP make decisions that will improve upon the gameplay itself. So far I think the CSM are doing a good job, I hope they aggressively pursue the MT-issues, and CCP's woefully faulty views on the matter.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:06:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Slaktoid
We need the CSM. I have no insight in what goes on inside the CSM, and I'm sure there's a fair amount of wannabe's in that group (look at my shiny forum badge!omfghh! I'm important!). I believe the majority of them are interessted in doing good, important work for the community, though. I would like them to be abit more aggressive though. To take more of a journalistic approach towards CCP.
You are there to make CCP's life harder. To push the organization into creating a better game, to help CCP make decisions that will improve upon the gameplay itself. So far I think the CSM are doing a good job, I hope they aggressively pursue the MT-issues, and CCP's woefully faulty views on the matter.
They cannot!
They are almost utterly toothless. This has been shown year after year and proven by the Incarna patch.
The only option they have to aggressively pursue ANYTHING is to RESIGN.
An organisation originally designed by CCP to ensure that CCP were acting honestly (and this is the line they used when contacting the big media outlets) resigning because CCP are not acting honestly.
Who will be the first to resign. They will be remembered in the annals of eve.
Oh captain my captain!
Get on your desk. Others will follow. The saga will reach its glorious conclusion.
(o)
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:08:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Saving Face on 24/06/2011 17:08:51
Originally by: Le Skunk
Who will be the first to resign. They will be remembered in the annals of eve.
Actually, T'Amber resigned over this last year and was largely met with ridicule.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1403625
Turns out he was right, funny how that works eh :)
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Illadelph Justice
SniggWaffe
FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:14:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Elise Randolph
Yea everything didn't go exactly as planned once let me quit about it~
Nah, Ima stay and continue to work with my CSM bros to provide feedback (fair amount of negative at the moment) to CCP. Momma didn't raise no quitter.
MY CSM (ALTERNATIVE) DELEGATE
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Matunaga
Minmatar
Seetouristik und Soziales
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:14:00 -
[49]
Confirming OP is just metagaming monoclegate and right now laughing his a*** off.
Good job, Sir!
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:26:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 17:33:30
Originally by: Illadelph Justice
Originally by: Elise Randolph
Yea everything didn't go exactly as planned once let me quit about it~
Nah, Ima stay and continue to work with my CSM bros to provide feedback (fair amount of negative at the moment) to CCP. Momma didn't raise no quitter.
MY CSM (ALTERNATIVE) DELEGATE
I will continue to provide feedback to cpp which will subsequently demonstarbly be ignored.
I will continue to spend hours filling in forms, calling meetings and requesting comment DESPITE THREE YEARS CLEAR EVIDENCE MY WORK IS WORTH NOTHING.
I will continue banging my head against this brick wall
I got into politics to make a difference. The only opportunity in my life to make a difference I will let slip by.
Momma may not have raised a quitter. What the hell did she raise?
You have a window of opportunity here - dont miss it.
Originally by: Saving Face
Edited by: Saving Face on 24/06/2011 17:08:51
Originally by: Le Skunk
Who will be the first to resign. They will be remembered in the annals of eve.
Actually, T'Amber resigned over this last year and was largely met with ridicule.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1403625
Turns out he was right, funny how that works eh :)
A great gesture, and one that was disgracefully not followed up by the cowardly spineless other CSM members who would have known EXACTLY what tamber knew and chose to suck CCP nipple.
SHAME ON THEM.
Disgusting Collaboraters, they should have their heads shaven, and forced to walk the streets of paris having fruit thrown at them.
Unless... they resign now. And redeem their actions. All will be forgiven, and they will have their heads massaged, and fruit served to them in little bowls.
SKUNK
(o)
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:31:00 -
[51]
I kinda agre with what people are saying.
CCP should actualy get ahead of this one, it could be an issue
Right now, a lot of people are sort of in Limbo.
They are angry, upset, but not quite sure whether or not Eve is "over".
One Large Alliance, all quitting together. Or even the right person, in a figurehead position - Could very well start to create those sorts of feelings in the playerbase.
If the CSM resigned. And cancelled subs. It could really create the feeling "Eve is coming to an end..."
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Ancy Denaries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:33:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Cailais
Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.
Yes because the path of communication you mention has done a fantastic job over the years of conveying the thoughts and demands of the playerbase to CCP.
That's the funny thing. Whenever CCP runs something by the CSM and they take the CSM's input into account, things generally turn out alright. When CCP completely bypasses the CSM and runs off to do whatever they feel is necessary, we get this.
Not the CSM's fault. Seleene has been doing an excellent job of keeping us up to date if you bother to look.
This. So much this.
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The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:36:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 17:36:12
Originally by: Ancy Denaries
Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Cailais
Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.
Yes because the path of communication you mention has done a fantastic job over the years of conveying the thoughts and demands of the playerbase to CCP.
That's the funny thing. Whenever CCP runs something by the CSM and they take the CSM's input into account, things generally turn out alright. When CCP completely bypasses the CSM and runs off to do whatever they feel is necessary, we get this.
Not the CSM's fault. Seleene has been doing an excellent job of keeping us up to date if you bother to look.
This. So much this.
Seleene resigning instead of dripping out occasional content less twhatter feeds would have nine thousand times the chance of nipping this **** in the bud before it flowers into a monstorous triffid to consume EvE and us all
SKUNK
(o)
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Illadelph Justice
SniggWaffe
FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:36:00 -
[54]
Did it work when the Wisconsin democrats in the legislature walked out to block the union busting bill? No. They just passed it without them.
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I Love Boobies
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:37:00 -
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I think CCP would WELCOME the CSM to walk out. If CSM did walk out, then CCP would have one less group of people meddling in their affairs. Personally, I think CCP regrets ever forming the CSM. Plus, if the CSM did walk out, it would save CCP money by not having to fly them over to Iceland any more. After all, Greed is Good. 
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:43:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 17:47:38
Originally by: I Love Boobies
I think CCP would WELCOME the CSM to walk out. If CSM did walk out, then CCP would have one less group of people meddling in their affairs. Personally, I think CCP regrets ever forming the CSM. Plus, if the CSM did walk out, it would save CCP money by not having to fly them over to Iceland any more. After all, Greed is Good.
The CSM do not meddle. They provide a rubber stamp to CCP policys. They provide the plasusible excuse of democracy. HAve a problem?
* Post a thread on the csm forums.
* Garner support.
* Wait for the CSM to debate item.
* If they agree, wait until they meet CCP.
* If ccp agree wait until it gets put on the to do list
* Refresh the to do list page daily.
* Watch the to do list steadily grow and your point sink into the midst.
* ...
* WAIT THREE YEARS
* ...
* Get told you have to wait another 18 months before CCP will even look at your point
* ...
* WAIT 18 MONTHS
* ...
* Raise another CSM post about the same issue.
Go look at the Massive list of player concerns from the CSM section of the forums that has been growing for three years now. Its incredible. Utterly astounding.
Not as astounding as the continued presence of players (and well respected ones to) on the CSM. What a mockery.
SKUNK
(o)
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T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:45:00 -
[57]
should have voted for serious internet politician
Microtransactions?
Click here and vote Yes, No or Vanity only
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Outcastus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:46:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Outcastus on 24/06/2011 17:46:11
Well, if you dont walk out, CSM, At least do us a favor on your next visit to CCP and kick all of the devs that thought it was a good idea to release incarna the way it is SQUARE IN THE NUTS! And after that, while they are laying around, writhing in agony, Steal their wallets and dont forget to not tell them that you're gunna do it.
PAYBACK!
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Cortante
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:47:00 -
[59]
CSM won't walk out. Mittani and his goof brigade are there to go to Iceland and drink beer. They don't care about the game, it's all about being a weak sauce "Eve celebrity."
Why do you think they're so silent over this? They don't dare risk angering CCP.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:51:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Cortante
CSM won't walk out. Mittani and his goof brigade are there to go to Iceland and drink beer. They don't care about the game, it's all about being a weak sauce "Eve celebrity."
Why do you think they're so silent over this? They don't dare risk angering CCP.
One would have thought that perhaps someone who professes to be mischievous and for the lols would have ample reason to throw a resignation into the mix at this tumultuous time.
And as for e-celebrity. I would imagaine the first to go would be inundated with interviews, perhaps from the same mainstream media sites as were used to spin the CSM in the first place (bbc, washington times etc)
SKUNK
SKUNK
(o)
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