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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 - [1] I am calling on a mass walk out of CSM representatives CSM members are currently viewed by the game base in on of the following brackets: * Viewed with incredulity that you actually think you are going to change anything. * Viewed with disdain as attention seeking free holiday grabbers. * Viewed with contempt as pushing your own or your own alliances agenda. * Viewed with disgust as collaborators in CCPs great free PR experience. The original CSM concept was created by Hillmarrgh to "look in every corner" to make sure CCP were not involved in abusing the player base. This has not turned out to be the case. A mass walk out by some or All of the CSM members will redeem three years of farce, as weekly you were patronised, patted on the head, handed free CCP bum bags and posters, and subsequently ignored by the CCP devs. Walking out now will mean the original concept of the CSM, representatives of the player base forcing CCP to remain honest, will rise Phoenix like from the debasement that it is now. Its not too late, Dear CSM member. Its not to late to redeem yourself Do it for EVE. Do it for The Players. Do it for The Devs even now gagged in fear of the money men. Do it for principal. Do it for the truth. Rage threads are not going to change a thing. Only un-subscriptions will change it. Or bad press. Bad press like the group CCP set up to ensure they were acting honestly resigning due to their lack of honesty. Be A Phoenix. Take Your Chance. Resign publicly now Fly like a phoenix my friends..... FLY! (o)
Chandaris Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 - [2] /signed Signature removed. Discussing warnings or bans in your signature is not permitted.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:46:00 - [3] Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. 'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011 (ಠ_O)
Korinne	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 - [4] +1
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:48:00 - [5] These guys get free vacations and beer parties. I dont think they are going anywhere. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C.
PresidentScrewb	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:48:00 - [7] i agree. CSM should go.
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. What good is a CSM if they're unable to speak? HABIT
Jei'son Bladesmith The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:49:00 - [9]
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. Yes because the path of communication you mention has done a fantastic job over the years of conveying the thoughts and demands of the playerbase to CCP. Such an excellent job, we are not currently sitting in the biggest ****e-storm the game has ever seen. Resign, I cry. Whether it be in SHAME at your failure or in PRINCPAL. (o)

Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:52:00 - [11] Because throwing immature temper tantrums ever did any good ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Kuronaga Kantian Principle	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:52:00 - [12] CSM has nothing to be ashamed of. They did their job, it was CCP who did not. Still, a mass resignation would reflect terribly on CCP. That would indeed be a black mark on the record.
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. Yes it is. Removing the CSM path of communication leaves only one route. Us. The customers. As it SHOULD BE. Originally by: McKinlay When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Ghoest These guys get free vacations and beer parties. I dont think they are going anywhere. This is an example of the second case i mentioned in my op "* Viewed with disdain as attention seeking free holiday grabbers." You can change this, and many more like hims, opinions of you, dear CSM representative. In one foul swoop. Resign now, and instantly gain Credulity Respect Admiration And indeed... perhaps Forgiveness. And the knowledge that you have done what is right. (o)
Sinker1345 ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:54:00 - [15] /signed CSM has put in their inputs and either been ignored or betrayed by CCP I lost trust in them long before I lost trust in CCP redem yourselves now and walk out, prove to them they you are not free PR patsies
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:54:00 - [16] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 24/06/2011 15:54:44 I will say this. You **ers begged me to vote for you on the forums. You ers begged for me to vote for you in game. You ers begged for me to vote for you via EvEmail. You ers even hit me up on twitter. You **ers have done ZERO for me. You can ROT. The only reason you even exist is because CCP was caught CHEATING. Quit or don't quit, I hold you in the highest disregard. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Ashlar Maidstone Amarr Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:56:00 - [17] /signed and supported!!
Dreadlocker	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:56:00 - [18] The CSM should not walk out now. We need them now more than ever. Open channels of productive communication can turn this around. Long live EVE
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:57:00 - [19] would be amazing to see
PresidentScrewb	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Ashlar Maidstone /signed and supported!! this

Amberlamps	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 24/06/2011 15:54:44 I will say this. You **ers begged me to vote for you on the forums. You ers begged for me to vote for you in game. You ers begged for me to vote for you via EvEmail. You ers even hit me up on twitter. You **ers have done ZERO for me. You can ROT. The only reason you even exist is because CCP was caught CHEATING. Quit or don't quit, I hold you in the highest disregard. This Supported, the unlikely to happen.
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:59:00 - [22] Yea everything didn't go exactly as planned once let me quit about it~ Nah, Ima stay and continue to work with my CSM bros to provide feedback (fair amount of negative at the moment) to CCP. Momma didn't raise no quitter.
Ajunyx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:00:00 - [23] What? The CSM are fine. They've already said they were just as shocked by how this all went down and they're trying to figure out what do with themselves. I'm sorry that you expect INSTANT RESULTS from the CSM. This is infantile and comes off as basically a temper tantrum. CCPs failure to communicate with the CSM isn't the CSMs fault. You're basically just looking for people to whine about now.
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Yes because the path of communication you mention has done a fantastic job over the years of conveying the thoughts and demands of the playerbase to CCP. That's the funny thing. Whenever CCP runs something by the CSM and they take the CSM's input into account, things generally turn out alright. When CCP completely bypasses the CSM and runs off to do whatever they feel is necessary, we get this. Not the CSM's fault. Seleene has been doing an excellent job of keeping us up to date if you bother to look. - "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:01:00 - [25] Though I mean it may send a really loud message if Le Skunk of the mighty Low Sec Liberators resigned in protest and never posted again, ever. Also the message would be louder if he gave me his stuff before he left. Just sayin'
Samantha Seraya Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:02:00 - [26] /signed
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:02:00 - [27] I've thought about it, go back for a few years I don't have much faith in the CSM but that's because I realize what it is. Its a firewall, nothing more nothing less. Designed as a PR move to help placate the community after T20. I don't feel that they should walk out, at least keep the line open. But it is very clear that that line is not being used and is being used less and less in recent months. At some point you do have to weigh if its worth it.
Jean Misto	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Ajunyx What? The CSM are fine. They've already said they were just as shocked by how this all went down and they're trying to figure out what do with themselves. That's exactly the point. The CSM don't do anything, not because they aren't trying, but because CCP doesn't let them, they don't let them know what's going on, and they don't let them influence anything. The point of a walkout would be a way for the CSM to protest CCP, we aren't angry at the actual CSM members.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:02:00 - [29] This CSM is inadequate, but we knew that's what we'd be getting. I prefer them on the sidelines, tbh. If Mittens wants to apologize to Mynxee that would be nice, but he admits mistakes about as freely as CCP does.
Darius III Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:03:00 - [30] I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties. Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle. I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high." I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game.

Heaven's Judgment	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:04:00 - [31] Originally by: Jean Misto Originally by: Ajunyx What? The CSM are fine. They've already said they were just as shocked by how this all went down and they're trying to figure out what do with themselves. That's exactly the point. The CSM don't do anything, not because they aren't trying, but because CCP doesn't let them, they don't let them know what's going on, and they don't let them influence anything. The point of a walkout would be a way for the CSM to protest CCP, we aren't angry at the actual CSM members. Maybe the CSM have information we don't? They ARE under NDA after all. I'd like for them to make some sort of statement, maybe.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Dreadlocker The CSM should not walk out now. We need them now more than ever. Open channels of productive communication can turn this around. Long live EVE Currently we get more communication from monitoring one random devs Twitter Feed All we get from the CSM is the same as we have always got. A mix of: pseudo professionalism diarys quotas agendas requests for comments self justification long winded exasperated posts at how ccp are not listening to them the occasional attempt at cheating (Larkonis) the occasional mysterious sacking (ankhemankaporai) And a generally self important, puffed up, slightly sneering, occasionally outright mocking attitude. They cannot save us through talk. They CAN save us through ACTION Hold down alt, and type in quafe, My dear CSM comrades. You will not see a naked Quafe girl. But you will see a beautiful new dawn in your life. (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:09:00 - [33] Originally by: Darius III They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. Thats the CSMs one and only role! Grow some backbone man. They have humiliated you! Now humiliate THEM! Tender your resignation. And you find the public admiration, astonishment, and love you have been seeking all of your attention grabbing and amusing forum posts have been seeking. (o)
Captain Dylan Hunt	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Le Skunk * Viewed with contempt as pushing your own or your own alliances agenda. The original CSM concept was created by Hillmarrgh to "look in every corner" to make sure CCP were not involved in abusing the player base. IMO this is a problem I see for those of us that genuinely have the best interests of EVE Online and the interests of the player base at heart. Most of the CSM seem to be from big alliances because they have the sheer numbers of votes behind them that a big alliance can pull...the little guy will never get into a position that they can make a difference. Originally by: Le Skunk The original CSM concept was created by Hillmarrgh to "look in every corner" to make sure CCP were not involved in abusing the player base. Then wouldn't it be better for the CSM to get stuck into CCP, rather than walk away from them? So they might annoy some Devs, and ruin their chances of CCP approving their application when the next CSM votes roll around, and then lose their free trip(s) to Iceland...so what? The CSM are meant to be in CSM for us, not for all the cool freebies they get from CCP.
Theocrates	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:12:00 - [35] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Darius III They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. Thats the CSMs one and only role! Grow some backbone man. They have humiliated you! Now humiliate THEM! Tender your resignation. And you find the public admiration, astonishment, and love you have been seeking all of your attention grabbing and amusing forum posts have been seeking. All the unsubs since this went nova and yet you are still here? Ahh well, geuss the good guys can't win every battle. *By coffee alone I set my mind in motion, by the beans of Java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.*
Anna Maziarczyk	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 24/06/2011 16:18:22 Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 24/06/2011 16:17:46 . . Agree. CSM is in a very awkward situation. Some of the Gifts ccp give out are nice.....
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Captain Dylan Hunt Originally by: Le Skunk The original CSM concept was created by Hillmarrgh to "look in every corner" to make sure CCP were not involved in abusing the player base. Then wouldn't it be better for the CSM to get stuck into CCP, rather than walk away from them? So they might annoy some Devs, and ruin their chances of CCP approving their application when the next CSM votes roll around, and then lose their free trip(s) to Iceland...so what? The CSM are meant to be in CSM for us, not for all the cool freebies they get from CCP. Excellent points. I am sure you know the drip drip PR feed CCP did both when the CSM was initiated, and subsequently. Not only the gamer mags and sites were smothered with "Brave CCP, How ingenious, How Cutting edge" type posts, but also many mainstream media sites The BBC, Wall Street Times to name a few CCP could not have paid for this exposure. Certainly well worth throwing some dudes a free jolly to iceland with some posters thrown in. Sure the CSM could continue a three year dialogue that has demonstrably massively and disastrously failed. That will work... right? (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Theocrates All the unsubs since this went nova and yet you are still here? Ahh well, geuss the good guys can't win every battle. Not sure what that means? It could mean im one of the good guys and you think i should unsub. Or it could mean your annoyed that with all the unsubs and I am not one of them. Flesh it out and I can respond, or dont, as you wish. SKUNK (o)
Darius III Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 - [39] I will be announcing shortly that all the CSM corps will be wardeced by the 0rphanage in a rotation corp/alliance one by one. Still working on the details though.
Just Another Toon	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:30:00 - [40] you know what /signed

Dograzor The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:32:00 - [41] We want the heads of CCP, let the CSM keep theirs. - "We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value"
SilentSkills Gallente Tax Evaders Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:35:00 - [42] CSM should stay, at the very least they can inform us MonocleMonocle The door thread - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID
Korerin Mayul Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:38:00 - [43] Originally by: SilentSkills CSM should stay, at the very least they can inform us no, they cant, because CCP has just completely undermined them as a stake-holder by breaking the MT promise. i dont see CCP undermining any of their other stakeholders. CSM please resign, not because you are rubbish but because CCP are rubbish.
T0KER	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:38:00 - [44] IF THE CSM DO NOT WALK OUT THEY ARE SELLING THE COMMUNITY OUT FOR THE PRICE OF A FEW TRIPS TO ICELAND. GUESS WHAT? ICELAND SUCKS DO THE RIGHT THING.
Slaktoid	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:50:00 - [45] We need the CSM. I have no insight in what goes on inside the CSM, and I'm sure there's a fair amount of wannabe's in that group (look at my shiny forum badge!omfghh! I'm important!). I believe the majority of them are interessted in doing good, important work for the community, though. I would like them to be abit more aggressive though. To take more of a journalistic approach towards CCP. You are there to make CCP's life harder. To push the organization into creating a better game, to help CCP make decisions that will improve upon the gameplay itself. So far I think the CSM are doing a good job, I hope they aggressively pursue the MT-issues, and CCP's woefully faulty views on the matter.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:06:00 - [46] Originally by: Slaktoid We need the CSM. I have no insight in what goes on inside the CSM, and I'm sure there's a fair amount of wannabe's in that group (look at my shiny forum badge!omfghh! I'm important!). I believe the majority of them are interessted in doing good, important work for the community, though. I would like them to be abit more aggressive though. To take more of a journalistic approach towards CCP. You are there to make CCP's life harder. To push the organization into creating a better game, to help CCP make decisions that will improve upon the gameplay itself. So far I think the CSM are doing a good job, I hope they aggressively pursue the MT-issues, and CCP's woefully faulty views on the matter. They cannot! They are almost utterly toothless. This has been shown year after year and proven by the Incarna patch. The only option they have to aggressively pursue ANYTHING is to RESIGN. An organisation originally designed by CCP to ensure that CCP were acting honestly (and this is the line they used when contacting the big media outlets) resigning because CCP are not acting honestly. Who will be the first to resign. They will be remembered in the annals of eve. Oh captain my captain! Get on your desk. Others will follow. The saga will reach its glorious conclusion. (o)
Saving Face	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:08:00 - [47] Edited by: Saving Face on 24/06/2011 17:08:51 Originally by: Le Skunk Who will be the first to resign. They will be remembered in the annals of eve. Actually, T'Amber resigned over this last year and was largely met with ridicule. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1403625 Turns out he was right, funny how that works eh :)
Illadelph Justice SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:14:00 - [48] Originally by: Elise Randolph Yea everything didn't go exactly as planned once let me quit about it~ Nah, Ima stay and continue to work with my CSM bros to provide feedback (fair amount of negative at the moment) to CCP. Momma didn't raise no quitter. MY CSM (ALTERNATIVE) DELEGATE ---
Matunaga Minmatar Seetouristik und Soziales	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:14:00 - [49] Confirming OP is just metagaming monoclegate and right now laughing his a*** off. Good job, Sir! Iced beer to the heathen!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:26:00 - [50] Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 17:33:30 Originally by: Illadelph Justice Originally by: Elise Randolph Yea everything didn't go exactly as planned once let me quit about it~ Nah, Ima stay and continue to work with my CSM bros to provide feedback (fair amount of negative at the moment) to CCP. Momma didn't raise no quitter. MY CSM (ALTERNATIVE) DELEGATE I will continue to provide feedback to cpp which will subsequently demonstarbly be ignored. I will continue to spend hours filling in forms, calling meetings and requesting comment DESPITE THREE YEARS CLEAR EVIDENCE MY WORK IS WORTH NOTHING. I will continue banging my head against this brick wall I got into politics to make a difference. The only opportunity in my life to make a difference I will let slip by. Momma may not have raised a quitter. What the hell did she raise? You have a window of opportunity here - dont miss it. Originally by: Saving Face Edited by: Saving Face on 24/06/2011 17:08:51 Originally by: Le Skunk Who will be the first to resign. They will be remembered in the annals of eve. Actually, T'Amber resigned over this last year and was largely met with ridicule. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1403625 Turns out he was right, funny how that works eh :) A great gesture, and one that was disgracefully not followed up by the cowardly spineless other CSM members who would have known EXACTLY what tamber knew and chose to suck CCP nipple. SHAME ON THEM. Disgusting Collaboraters, they should have their heads shaven, and forced to walk the streets of paris having fruit thrown at them. Unless... they resign now. And redeem their actions. All will be forgiven, and they will have their heads massaged, and fruit served to them in little bowls. SKUNK (o)

Anna Maziarczyk	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:31:00 - [51] I kinda agre with what people are saying. CCP should actualy get ahead of this one, it could be an issue Right now, a lot of people are sort of in Limbo. They are angry, upset, but not quite sure whether or not Eve is "over". One Large Alliance, all quitting together. Or even the right person, in a figurehead position - Could very well start to create those sorts of feelings in the playerbase. If the CSM resigned. And cancelled subs. It could really create the feeling "Eve is coming to an end..."
Ancy Denaries	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:33:00 - [52] Originally by: Andrea Griffin Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Yes because the path of communication you mention has done a fantastic job over the years of conveying the thoughts and demands of the playerbase to CCP. That's the funny thing. Whenever CCP runs something by the CSM and they take the CSM's input into account, things generally turn out alright. When CCP completely bypasses the CSM and runs off to do whatever they feel is necessary, we get this. Not the CSM's fault. Seleene has been doing an excellent job of keeping us up to date if you bother to look. This. So much this. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:36:00 - [53] Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 17:36:12 Originally by: Ancy Denaries Originally by: Andrea Griffin Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Yes because the path of communication you mention has done a fantastic job over the years of conveying the thoughts and demands of the playerbase to CCP. That's the funny thing. Whenever CCP runs something by the CSM and they take the CSM's input into account, things generally turn out alright. When CCP completely bypasses the CSM and runs off to do whatever they feel is necessary, we get this. Not the CSM's fault. Seleene has been doing an excellent job of keeping us up to date if you bother to look. This. So much this. Seleene resigning instead of dripping out occasional content less twhatter feeds would have nine thousand times the chance of nipping this **** in the bud before it flowers into a monstorous triffid to consume EvE and us all SKUNK (o)
Illadelph Justice SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:36:00 - [54] Did it work when the Wisconsin democrats in the legislature walked out to block the union busting bill? No. They just passed it without them. ---
I Love Boobies Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:37:00 - [55] I think CCP would WELCOME the CSM to walk out. If CSM did walk out, then CCP would have one less group of people meddling in their affairs. Personally, I think CCP regrets ever forming the CSM. Plus, if the CSM did walk out, it would save CCP money by not having to fly them over to Iceland any more. After all, Greed is Good.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:43:00 - [56] Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 17:47:38 Originally by: I Love Boobies I think CCP would WELCOME the CSM to walk out. If CSM did walk out, then CCP would have one less group of people meddling in their affairs. Personally, I think CCP regrets ever forming the CSM. Plus, if the CSM did walk out, it would save CCP money by not having to fly them over to Iceland any more. After all, Greed is Good. The CSM do not meddle. They provide a rubber stamp to CCP policys. They provide the plasusible excuse of democracy. HAve a problem? * Post a thread on the csm forums. * Garner support. * Wait for the CSM to debate item. * If they agree, wait until they meet CCP. * If ccp agree wait until it gets put on the to do list * Refresh the to do list page daily. * Watch the to do list steadily grow and your point sink into the midst. * ... * WAIT THREE YEARS * ... * Get told you have to wait another 18 months before CCP will even look at your point * ... * WAIT 18 MONTHS * ... * Raise another CSM post about the same issue. Go look at the Massive list of player concerns from the CSM section of the forums that has been growing for three years now. Its incredible. Utterly astounding. Not as astounding as the continued presence of players (and well respected ones to) on the CSM. What a mockery. SKUNK (o)
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:45:00 - [57] should have voted for serious internet politician Microtransactions? Click here and vote Yes, No or Vanity only
Outcastus	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:46:00 - [58] Edited by: Outcastus on 24/06/2011 17:46:11 Well, if you dont walk out, CSM, At least do us a favor on your next visit to CCP and kick all of the devs that thought it was a good idea to release incarna the way it is SQUARE IN THE NUTS! And after that, while they are laying around, writhing in agony, Steal their wallets and dont forget to not tell them that you're gunna do it. PAYBACK!
Cortante	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:47:00 - [59] CSM won't walk out. Mittani and his goof brigade are there to go to Iceland and drink beer. They don't care about the game, it's all about being a weak sauce "Eve celebrity." Why do you think they're so silent over this? They don't dare risk angering CCP.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Cortante CSM won't walk out. Mittani and his goof brigade are there to go to Iceland and drink beer. They don't care about the game, it's all about being a weak sauce "Eve celebrity." Why do you think they're so silent over this? They don't dare risk angering CCP. One would have thought that perhaps someone who professes to be mischievous and for the lols would have ample reason to throw a resignation into the mix at this tumultuous time. And as for e-celebrity. I would imagaine the first to go would be inundated with interviews, perhaps from the same mainstream media sites as were used to spin the CSM in the first place (bbc, washington times etc) SKUNK SKUNK (o)

I Love Boobies Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:05:00 - [61] Skunk: I was talking from CCP's point of view. I know the CSM doesn't meddle in CCP's business. I know what it's there for. Was just implying CCP would be happy to see it gone because they might feel as if the CSM meddles in CCP business. CCP would be able to get away with more shenanigans a lot easier.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:47:00 - [62] Originally by: I Love Boobies Skunk: I was talking from CCP's point of view. I know the CSM doesn't meddle in CCP's business. I know what it's there for. Was just implying CCP would be happy to see it gone because they might feel as if the CSM meddles in CCP business. CCP would be able to get away with more shenanigans a lot easier. I was waiting for another CSM thread to surface so I could share a thought.... I love the CSM conceptually, and it was a brilliant idea on the part of Hilmar to begin with. I applaud his sensibility there. That being said, we have a dilemma - clearly the CSM needs more authority. The idea of the CSM, no matter how noble of CCP, was not enough to prevent CCP from grossly betraying the community's trust and respect. They warned CCP all along this storm was coming, but were impotent in the end. It's not their fault, they've done a great job of sharing our thoughts, with CCP But in this matter, regarding the leak of the document, the CSM DID meddle in CCP's business. Someone blew a whistle, confirmed the existence and reality of leaked internal documents, ones that were no doubt protected by non-disclosure agreements. Since an element or elements within the CSM participated in a breach of NDA, I would not be surprised if they took a big trust hit from CCP. CCP employees are likely going to scoop a lot more documents into their drawers during CSM tours from now on, leaving the CSM even further in the dark as to where the company is headed. I know the whistleblowers are regarded as champions, and did indeed bring a much needed hot iron to the feet of CCP management who decided to ignore their repeated demands by the playerbase, but at the same time they probably broke the rules, and may have hurt their own efforts to improve the game in the long run. I dont want to sound too harsh on the CSM, I'm sure they all have the community's best interest at heart. I just wanted to point out this is a complicated matter with consequences for all parties involved in terms of trustworthiness and respect for procedures.
Tea Ester Elliot	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:54:00 - [63] Who cares about the CSM? Seriously, it's a glorified popularity contest with a vacation reward. It hasn't had a hand in EVE's developement ever. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either insane or a CSM member/hopeful looking for a free holiday. Mittens' posting should give you a pretty clear idea of how CSM works: ~drunk last night, can't say anything, gotta go~ So why would anyone care if they resign or not? They are symbolic of nothing but voting blocks.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:01:00 - [64] Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 20:02:37 Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot Who cares about the CSM? Seriously, it's a glorified popularity contest with a vacation reward. It hasn't had a hand in EVE's developement ever. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either insane or a CSM member/hopeful looking for a free holiday. Mittens' posting should give you a pretty clear idea of how CSM works: ~drunk last night, can't say anything, gotta go~ So why would anyone care if they resign or not? They are symbolic of nothing but voting blocks. Good points. As for who would care, I would suggest the same media outlets that we interested in the first place about the CSM. Real media outlets which printed the PR in the first place (bbc, washington times etc) The irony of the body employed by CCP to guarantee its honesty and transparency , resigning due to lack of honesty and transparency is delicious The secondary parallel with real word events (which they LOVE to report on) with the jita riots would almost write the piece itself for a lazy hack. Its just the sort of story that would get picked up. Or they, and us, can continue the same process of dialogue that has in three years produced nothing but a 200 item to do list which CCP have ignored in favour of the path they presently find themselves on. It is also a fantastic chance for the CSM candidates to prove they are not just fickle internet gimps and in fact have substance, honor and backbone. SKUNK (o)
ABSSM Skagpikey Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:09:00 - [65] I will resign wait a minute i am not CSM. But if we could come out on strike next thursday it would be great has we could all jion the teachers and the other unions that are coming out on strike. Btw i support this thread
Hillside Strangler	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:10:00 - [66] THESE NERDS TAKE THIS **** SERIOUS
Meissa Anunthiel	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:18:00 - [67] Originally by: Darius III I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties. Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle. I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high." I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game. I take great pride in being called an assclown by idiots, means I must be doing something right. If you want to wardec us, we live in Vestouve (that's in Placid), feel free to come, we're looking for people to shoot. ----- Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6
Two step Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:19:00 - [68] Originally by: Darius III I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties. Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle. I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high." I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game. A slight correction here. Right now, pretty much everyone on the CSM is in fact working very hard to do what we can for the players. Darius III has spent his time trolling the CSM Skype channel with inane threats and musing about how he can smartbomb/suicide gank the people protesting in Jita. We have been posting as best we can. You can see a bunch of our thoughts in threads like this one. Remember that many of us have jobs, and cannot devote every waking minute to digging CCP out of the giant crater they drove EVE into. Personally, I have cancelled the subs on all 3 of my accounts, and I urge players to do the same. This is a clear metric that CCP is paying attention to, and is one of the best ways to make it clear to them that they are on the wrong track. Two step for CSM6 - http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/
Dragan Moonraker Rheinbraun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:42:00 - [69] No Microtransactions. No Aurum.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:45:00 - [70] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel I take great pride in being called an assclown by idiots, means I must be doing something right. But do you take pride in being made to look like assclowns by the people you are working with at CCP Originally by: Two step We have been posting as best we can. You can see a bunch of our thoughts in threads like this one. Remember that many of us have jobs, and cannot devote every waking minute to digging CCP out of the giant crater they drove EVE into. Personally, I have cancelled the subs on all 3 of my accounts, and I urge players to do the same. This is a clear metric that CCP is paying attention to, and is one of the best ways to make it clear to them that they are on the wrong track. One of the best ways would be for you to resign. The fact you naturaly have real life time issues SHOULD FURTHER drive you to resign. Why are you devoting valuable time to dialogue with CCP when they pay no attention to you. Why will you continue to do so? SKUNK (o)

AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:47:00 - [71] This CSM sucks (but that was to be expected, so I'm not bothered by it.) Last CSM was awesome (they fought the good fight and then some.) Please stop referring to 'the CSM'.
Amar Azaph	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:48:00 - [72] If I was a talking head nestled in the back pocket of someone giving me freebies, then there's not a cats chance I'd leave. Nobody in their right mind give up such a lucrative position. So what if your viewed as some sort of patsy that nods their head on command ? C'mon guys, get real- never happen. Sent from a campfire using smoke signals.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 - [73] "We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale." Walk out CSM. Walk out. SKUNK (o)
Two step Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 - [74] Originally by: Le Skunk One of the best ways would be for you to resign. The fact you naturaly have real life time issues SHOULD FURTHER drive you to resign. Why are you devoting valuable time to dialogue with CCP when they pay no attention to you. Why will you continue to do so? Because I do care about this game, and the awesome folks in AHARM and the rest of the people that voted for me. Two step for CSM6 - http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:13:00 - [75] Resign. SKUNK (o)
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:35:00 - [76] Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. CCP does not need the CSM to get feedback. EVE players work at CCP, they are just ignored, just as the CSM are. __________
Larik Olen	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:40:00 - [77] Not signed. If anything they need the CSM now more than ever.
Talsha Talamar Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:41:00 - [78] Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 25/06/2011 03:42:10 The CSM resigning would send a clear message to the public. It would give the protest a stronger momentum in the news cycle. A simple reason why I am supporting clears throat Le Skunk... shakes head and gargles with acid to get rid of the taste Sandbox or Death!
Gothikia Regeneration	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:44:00 - [79] I fully support the CSM. They're vital and symbolic, but I'm afraid that symbolic is all they are after the events of the last week. I hope with everything in me that CCP Management will listen to them, call an emergency summit and get all of this sorted. It is badly needed.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:46:00 - [80] resign they ignore and laugh at you, by resigning you will do more for the community than ccp will ever let you do

Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:49:00 - [81] A mass walk out by the CSM has no real upsides and several downsides.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:57:00 - [82] Originally by: Emperor Cheney A mass walk out by the CSM has no real upsides and several downsides. it will show how far out of touch ccp are with players that not even csm have any affect on ccp thought process, actions speak louder than words
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:15:00 - [83] Originally by: leth ghost Originally by: Emperor Cheney A mass walk out by the CSM has no real upsides and several downsides. it will show how far out of touch ccp are with players that not even csm have any affect on ccp thought process, actions speak louder than words Subscriptions speak louder than both, and as far as actions/words go, I don't believe some PR stunt "walkout" (of what, their own bedrooms and living rooms?) speaks any louder than the threadnaughts we are seeing here. Meanwhile, we the players are down our only representatives.
AnzacPaul	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:19:00 - [84] CSM, we are with you. Now it's time for you to be with us. And not CCP. We support you. But you know aswell as we do CCP arent listening. Actions speak louder than words guys. Your getting the same spin we are. That email from Hilmar if legit shows that CCP are rotten from the top down. They aren't interested in us. you think they are interested in you?
Dare Knight Minmatar OSI Holdings	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:20:00 - [85] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel Originally by: Darius III I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties. Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle. I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high." I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game. I take great pride in being called an assclown by idiots, means I must be doing something right. If you want to wardec us, we live in Vestouve (that's in Placid), feel free to come, we're looking for people to shoot. Pardon the question but..... with an attitude like that, who the hell elected you to represent the playerbase? --- <Insert whitty signature here>
Carmine Lady Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:22:00 - [86] Been here 4 years and i find this treatment of the CSM very upsetting :( so +1 ------ FREE HELICITY FREE LIANG FREE ANGELHUN REVOLT AGAINST THE OPPRESSIVE TYRANT CCP
Scerolikk Teromni Atrocious Order	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:22:00 - [87] Originally by: Ajunyx They've already said they were just as shocked by how this all went down Which goes to show you exactly how little CCP cares about them, and how little clout they have with anything more than UI and minor gameplay changes. -- Quote: Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
noonien shakra Lar B523610-9	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:23:00 - [88] /signed __________________ I knew this would happen !
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:26:00 - [89] im with the csm they have been shat on by ccp but they could say we dont want to work with ccp untill a we will be listened to
Vikarion Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:27:00 - [90] Please, CSM, don't let them use you anymore. Resign. - - - Originally by: CCP Pann If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it. Originally by: Hilmar this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.

Kurj Valdoria Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:28:00 - [91] CSM's would never quit like this no matter how badly CCP betrayed us. Why? Cause they get free trip to iceland. That's worth more to them than the job they were supposed to do.
daint666 Minmatar WEPRA CORP White Noise.	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:29:00 - [92] /signed. Do the right thing the players need you.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:30:00 - [93] Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. What communication? The CSM is a paper tiger anyway. All that is left is for them to do something halfway useful and make stand even if its only for show.
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:30:00 - [94] why dont you just quit eve op? i for one hope they stay.
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:31:00 - [95] let them do their job... i suspect they will be walking soon enough on their own
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:31:00 - [96] After some thought, I support this initiative. Not because I think the CSM is ineffective due to any fault of their own, but because CCP seems determined now not to listen to their playerbase, which means they are determined not to listen to the CSM, the voice of the playerbase. I normally think Le Skunk is a right blowhard but there's something to be said for the CSM, the group started by CCP to keep CCP honest, resigning because clearly CCP is determined to be dishonest with or without the CSM's input. ________________
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:31:00 - [97] Originally by: Miagi Sans why dont you just quit eve op? i for one hope they stay. May you live in (hilmargghs) interesting times SKUNK (o)
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:32:00 - [98] Originally by: Katrina Cortez let them do their job... i suspect they will be walking soon enough on their own exactly .. let them leave on their own terms and not some childish hissy fit post on the forums.
leboe Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:32:00 - [99] Its up to CCP to listen to the CSM, not the other way around.
Beluntz	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:33:00 - [100] /signed

Anon Forumalt6858	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:35:00 - [101] /signed I agree with this idea, especially after hearing multiple members of the CSM completely distraught, depressed, and utterly speechless on the Eve Radio broadcast tonight, it's clear that they are powerless and completely detached. This is not their fault, it's CCP's. I'm sorry CSM, but we need for you to make a bold statement now more than ever. - His name was John Turbefield!
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:37:00 - [102] Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 25/06/2011 04:37:06 Originally by: Darius III In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS yea... you've got your fadunking finger on the pulse of what we're pizsed about... owait.
Machon Danichus	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:38:00 - [103] Don't be so stupid. CSM is doing what they can.
Twylla Gallente Sardaukar Terror Troops STRAG3S.INC	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:39:00 - [104] There is already a CSM resignation on the table. Most of the other CSM reps are surprised at the recent revelations that the CSM and the community managers were a sham meant to pacify the player base while CCP upper management did as they please. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Twylla DeVarii
Oregin Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:40:00 - [105] If there was any chance of the CSM having any sway I'd say they need to stick it out and work with CCP to rectify the situation but what can they do? CCP won't listen to anybody by the looks of it. CSM WALKOUT! Vote with your feet. Be the figureheads that we elected you to be and tell CCP you're done with their crap and you are done!
Addrake Minmatar Brothers At Arms Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:41:00 - [106] Horrible idea. The CSM actually has been doing a pretty good job of communicating player concerns with CCP. They were clear about how we felt about P2W Microtransactions, CCP just choose not to heed them.
Haulin Aussie	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:42:00 - [107] Originally by: Addrake Horrible idea. The CSM actually has been doing a pretty good job of communicating player concerns with CCP. They were clear about how we felt about P2W Microtransactions, CCP just choose not to heed them. Exactly, we arent complaining about the CSM treatment of players, we are talking about CCP's treatment of the CSM. WALK OUT CSM YOU HAVE THE PLAYERS SUPPORT
BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:44:00 - [108] I want to say that I think THEY are the only ones in the position to talk about such a thing, the players shouldn't be calling for it. They've been very professional through all of this and have tried to help CCP the entire way, stay classy CSM. I would like to note that after this I wouldn't blame them one bit if they did. ---Signature---
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:46:00 - [109] Indeed. What do CCP have to do to get you to resign. Make you wear leather skirts, clown wigs, a dunce cap and tap dance on the table whilst "communicating" with them How much more can they humiliate the CSM, and all the time you spent on it without going? They think your "noise in the channel". Be a whopping great mine in the channel instead. KA BOOM!!!!!! SKUNK (o)
Llambda Space Llama Industries	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:46:00 - [110] Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. Well, now that the Hilmar mail has made it abundantly clear that any/all communication is a pointless exercise in futility...

Twylla Gallente Sardaukar Terror Troops STRAG3S.INC	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:48:00 - [111] CSM is a sham, a walkout wouldn't accomplish anything. They don't really exist in any power or capacity to quell the fire. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Twylla DeVarii
Azzma D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:51:00 - [112] **** CSM
Vhal Vhindiscar	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:54:00 - [113] CSM dissolve. End the shame. End the shame. Stand with the players.
Doc Buddy	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:54:00 - [114] This whole mess gives off a bad vibe of other games that have tried to switch from a subscription based model to a MT. And seems like most of those go T**** Up within a year or so.
Me Lub'YeeLongTiem	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:03:00 - [115] Everybody needs to start their own fire Everybody needs a riot of their own Everybody needs to be something that they are not Everybody needs to go it alone Because! Living so free is a tragedy When you can't be what you want to be Living so free is a tragedy When you can't see what you need to see Free- Powerman 5000
Deimos Barret	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:06:00 - [116] Edited by: Deimos Barret on 25/06/2011 05:07:57 +1 Maybe at least the CSM can retain its integrity. This isn't their fault. CCP needs to understand that we are ALL(ok, what... only 94% of us?) upset now.
Blyghme Gallente Strohl Munitions	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:20:00 - [117] The CSM resigning won't bother CCP at all All I can say is: We're CCP! We'll ** you Endlessly! Excellent is what we used to be! Bend over, get ready for some ... Now HARDEN THE ** UP!
Bibosikus Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:24:00 - [118] I seriosly doubt the CSM will listen, coddled as they are but... /signed. And I still think we should all fly to one system later today and shoot the crap out of each other (read: screw the servers).
Darius III Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:25:00 - [119] Originally by: Two step Personally, I have cancelled the subs on all 3 of my accounts, and I urge players to do the same. This is a clear metric that CCP is paying attention to, and is one of the best ways to make it clear to them that they are on the wrong track. Buh-buy moron. O/ Rofl don't forget to resign while you are at it. Too bad you wont be at fanfest, I would have really liked to meet you face to face, pencilneck.
Shardivh	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:29:00 - [120] /signed CSM, this is why you were given your positions in the first place, to support the comunity in times like this. The best thing you can do is walk out, keep sending CCP the message.

Desert Ice78 Gryphon River Industries R-I-P	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:37:00 - [121] If anything, I'm shocked that they have not walkout 2 days ago. However, the replys I've seen from them in this thread speaks of more milking it for what its worth before it dies a horrible death. Perhaps they should seek employment with CCP, fit right in with management.... CCP: Consistency since 2003
Zemkhoff	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:57:00 - [122] Edited by: Zemkhoff on 25/06/2011 05:57:12 Originally by: Le Skunk CSM members are currently viewed by the game base in on of the following brackets: * Viewed with incredulity that you actually think you are going to change anything. * Viewed with disdain as attention seeking free holiday grabbers. * Viewed with contempt as pushing your own or your own alliances agenda. * Viewed with disgust as collaborators in CCPs great free PR experience. oh just go biomass you clueless pubbie. the current CSM has been doing all that they can at the moment, which with CCP's selective hearing is **** all
AnzacPaul	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:58:00 - [123] bump this, respect to csm, but you guys need to send a message. Posting to CCP doesnt mean anything at this stage. HILMAR SAID SO HIMSELF.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:44:00 - [124] Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/06/2011 22:50:00 Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/06/2011 22:49:42 Listening to the CSM and ex CSM members flounder for words at the megalomaniacal, delusional, and slighty creepy alleged email live on international radio is proof further that they have left you no choice of further action. You have been hung out to dry. Humiliated with thousands of people listening to your gawping mouths as they flapped open at the wording of the document. Like Goldfish Any basis for remaining active members of the CSM was ripped from underneath them. The question should not be "should they go" but "why didnt they go yesterday" The CSM is a dog and pony(sic) show of cosmic proportions. Even the dog and the pony are beginning to wake up. DONT BE A DOG! DONT BE A PONY! DONT BE A GOLDFISH! BE A PHOENIX Rise from the ashes of the CSM as a true force in the universe. I am sparticus!!!!!!!!!!!!! SKUNK (o)
Gil Roland	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:48:00 - [125] Edited by: Gil Roland on 25/06/2011 22:48:11 Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/06/2011 03:13:50 Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 21:30:45 I am calling on a mass walk out of CSM representatives /Signed
Tribunia	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:51:00 - [126] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin What good is a CSM if they're unable to speak? Not trolling with an alt ftw.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:53:00 - [127] Originally by: Tribunia Originally by: Tobias Sjodin What good is a CSM if they're unable to speak? Not trolling with an alt ftw. What good is a CSM if they can speak but are not listened to. CCP could fly them to Iceland and make them sit and talking to a stuffed mannequin called "Hot Lola" with the same effect as a gaggle of grinning Devs. SKUNK (o)
JT Black Amarr ALPHA REACTION	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:54:00 - [128] / Signed
arlenai	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:55:00 - [129] /signed. This would send a message loud and clear through all the gaming forums, networks and high profile gaming sites such as massivly.com that cover eve online on a regular basis. CSM Make it loud! Make us proud.
Junko Sideswipe Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:02:00 - [130] LOL, you guys know this is a video game right?

larry hotter bigpants	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:04:00 - [131] Actually according to CCP it is an expensive hobby that we should be proud to play. BLAH.. seriously. CSM walk your asses out and do it now.
General Xenophon	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:05:00 - [132] Let's get this straight, we're mad at CCP for screwing us and giving us the finger. CSM have tried but CCP is clearly doing what THEY (CCP) want, not their playerbase or CSM. Kicking out CSM isn't going to do us any good other than to lose another slight chance to get through to CCP what we want. CSM needs to stick it to CCP and DEMAND that we get what we want or there will be mass player walk-out of Eve and loss of revenue for CCP.
Natalia Kovac Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:06:00 - [133] Agreed with OP. Do it.
P42ALPHA Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:07:00 - [134] Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. Yes it is. Removing the CSM path of communication leaves only one route. Us. The customers. As it SHOULD BE. QFT
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:11:00 - [135] Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/06/2011 23:12:19 Originally by: Junko Sideswipe LOL, you guys know this is a video game right? This is not just a video game. This is a defining moment in the development of MMO gaming. Events taking place today are being watched by suits industry wide. The "highly competent professionals and though leaders in this industry" set in path this chain of events in full knowledge of the upheaval it would cause. The whole industry is watching these events. The rot CAN be stopped here. We have made to many compromises already, to many retreats. They assimilated SWG, and we withdrew. They invaded Eve, and we fell back. But not again, the line must be drawn here! This far, no further! Can you live with telling your grandchild, in years to come, I was at the EvE protests with the dogs and the firehoses, and I did nothing. Can you? SKUNK (o)
Largo Fate Minmatar MAFIA P I R A T E S	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:13:00 - [136] /signed
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:13:00 - [137] Agreed. It's about integrity. If they don't resign now, collectively, I declare them officially R.Kelly'd. Everybody can talk the talk. If they don't walk the walk now what does that make them? Right... bunch of bootlickers and gossipers.
So Sensational Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:15:00 - [138] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/06/2011 23:12:19 Originally by: Junko Sideswipe LOL, you guys know this is a video game right? This is not just a video game. This is a defining moment in the development of MMO gaming. Events taking place today are being watched by suits industry wide. The "highly competent professionals and though leaders in this industry" set in path this chain of events in full knowledge of the upheaval it would cause. The whole industry is watching these events. The rot CAN be stopped here. We have made to many compromises already, to many retreats. They assimilated SWG, and we withdrew. They invaded Eve, and we fell back. But not again, the line must be drawn here! This far, no further! Can you live with telling your grandchild, in years to come, I was at the EvE protests with the dogs and the firehoses, and I did nothing. Can you? SKUNK not sure if serious wish I knew because this is so true.
Doc Fury Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:15:00 - [139] No. The CSM should collectively write a letter to the New York Times debunking what Hilmar claimed its purpose would be when it was created. An old lie, but another lie nonetheless. We're not upset that you lied to us CCP, we're upset that from now on we can't believe you. /I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:16:00 - [140] 1) It's too late. 2) The only way it'd work is if the CSM was relevant. We know how CSM are involved as long as the prevalent "Team Awesome" are not touched. If they are, the CSM is happily bypassed. If CSM resigns, none will care and that's it. We'll lost all the cases when the upper brass decide that the issue is unimportant enought to involve the CSM and such issues are pretty frequent. Having CSM involved in less important issues is still better than no CSM at all and leave everything in the hands of who commands. 3) This whole Monoclegate is also an attempt to discredit CSM. It's not a secret that the higher levels hate the CSM and this is an AURUM opportunity to decapitate and remove them. Basically, if they resign, they are exactly doing what they were baited into doing and who will pay it's not CCP, nor the CSM. It's us. Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity

MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:22:00 - [141] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Having CSM involved in less important issues is still better than no CSM at all and leave everything in the hands of who commands. No it's not. Caring for people who ** on you is dumb. Period. You can't sit there all half-arsed and be talking bout how you're gonna protest and how you're gonna this and that when at the end you're not doin but blabbering. That makes you a damn blatherer. The latest events have just shown once more that specially the higher up over there at CCP really don't give a *. So what you do is raise the finger and leave. Cause in a capitalist society that's the only* way you make an impact. Words are made of thin air. If you don't let the hammer fly, you might aswell STFU.
Gashblight	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:37:00 - [142] Really wracking my brain here to try to come up with anything the CSM have done for the game beyond what any other fan has.
Karos Vandarl	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:04:00 - [143] everything ive read and heard directly from CSM members seems to indicate they warned and advised against everything that has got us all up in arms, so if council the players elected representatives isnt being listened to, what is their function ?
AnzacPaul	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:07:00 - [144] Are there any csm updates?
Delegado Cero Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:14:00 - [145] Originally by: Shardivh /signed The best thing you can do is walk out, keep sending CCP the message. How can you "keep sending CCP the message" if you walk out? Are you going to come right back in and walk out again?
robbyx	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:16:00 - [146] Quite frankly this was to be expected, the CSM was and always will be nothing but sellouts...the only thing they represent is themselves
Rumplefink	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:16:00 - [147] RABBle raBBle RABble
Koramok Amarr Cold Carbon Institute	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:24:00 - [148] The CSM is a joke! There are members of Goon Swarm on it FFS! Disband the CSM. They are a disgrace and a monument of CCP failure.
Blackjack 3v3	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:29:00 - [149] Originally by: Koramok The CSM is a joke! There are members of Goon Swarm on it FFS! Disband the CSM. They are a disgrace and a monument of CCP failure. this
Rumplefink	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:29:00 - [150] R A B B L E R A B B L E R A B B L E !

Col Howitzer	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:30:00 - [151] The CSM is over no matter what. So if you gather the courage to take a stand with US resign and send a true message. Only CCP can prevent forum fires
AnzacPaul	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:34:00 - [152] read mittanis post tells us nothing we didnt already know, just a summary of events and a personal opinion. Does CSM care enough to unite for the players?
Da Gooch	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:36:00 - [153] Originally by: Darius III I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties. Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle. I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high." I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game. Brown nose much?
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:41:00 - [154] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. What good is a CSM if they're unable to speak? Mr. Anderson ....
Asmodeus Et'Mort	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:46:00 - [155] So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press.
agram tabris Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:49:00 - [156] hey skunk, where was your glorious post when some of the previous csm members resigned b'cause they pointed that eve is taking the wrong direction but nobody listened?? csm may not be perfect, but at least there is a "tiny,tiny chance" they can take some influence on the ccp in our favour. if you ask me thats better than nothing.. everyone can pretend to be smarter afterwards.. no sig.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.06.26 01:51:00 - [157] Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. No, you have about 4 pages of players asking for the CSM to resign, and about 2 pages of players pointing out that that is as stupid and pointless idea.
Anna Maziarczyk	Posted - 2011.06.26 02:00:00 - [158] Originally by: Zeta Zhul Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. What good is a CSM if they're unable to speak? Mr. Anderson .... oh yeah, right heh :)
The Mittani	Posted - 2011.06.26 02:07:00 - [159] Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:46:00 - [160] Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 03:55:15 Originally by: agram tabris hey skunk, where was your glorious post when some of the previous csm members resigned b'cause they pointed that eve is taking the wrong direction but nobody listened?? csm may not be perfect, but at least there is a "tiny,tiny chance" they can take some influence on the ccp in our favour. if you ask me thats better than nothing.. everyone can pretend to be smarter afterwards.. Glorious indeed this thread would be if somewhere in amongst it lie a CSM barred post announcing they would stand tall, and do the honourable thing. Alternatively, it may stand as testament to the dire failure of the CSM as a concept, and the ignominious personal failings of those individual who lurk in amongst it. Once they were puppets, now they are clowns My contempt for those who are collaborating with the CCP PR project that is the CSM has mellowed into pity. Anyone listening to the Eve Radio round table when the purportedly leak email was read to them will sympathise. Truly, it would take a heart of stone not to sympathise with the CSM members, their nominal leader amongst them, as they gawped and spluttered slackjawed, as they were AGAIN completely ignored by CCP. Normally you cant shut them up, as they buzzword air into each others Zeppelin like egos. Im told some are talking of leaving..... well in the alleged words of hillmargh himself "I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say" An outright challenge. And one I echo. RESIGN CSM!!!! RESIGN!!!!! SKUNK (o)

Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:52:00 - [161] Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Removing the CSM path of communication leaves only one route. Us. The customers. As it SHOULD BE. BANG
Skunk Gracklaw Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:55:00 - [162] Originally by: The Mittani this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ My ~~CEO~~
Haulin Aussie	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:55:00 - [163] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ I'm glad that you represent the CSM Mittani with replies like this.
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:00:00 - [164] CSM - PR excercise, gagged & totally useless, if they were any use whatsoever we wouldn't be where we are today. i hate to say I told you so CSM, but.....
Sheperd Paragon	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:04:00 - [165] Show your Profit CSMs! +1 Well done
Rusty Rush	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:05:00 - [166] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a ** what you think, p. much vOv + ~toodles~ You dun **ed up bro! Good luck running for the next CSM (if EVE still alive that is.)
JT Black Amarr ALPHA REACTION	Posted - 2011.06.26 11:48:00 - [167] What have the CSM members did to small corp PVP ? What have the CSM members contributed to make CCP stop nerfing every single chance small corps have to hit bigger alliances ? Every single game mechanic is nerfed every single aid that can help our small corps to engage those blobs ends up being nerfed by CCP and the CSM ! CSM has done NOTHING AND NEVER WILL ! CSM ARE FAKE RESIGN
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.26 11:56:00 - [168] Originally by: The Mittani this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ That pretty much says all I need to know. F* you and your brown-nose friends. Matter of fact you should apply for a job over at CCP with that attitude. Suits you well.
Slave 775 Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:02:00 - [169] Edited by: Slave 775 on 26/06/2011 12:04:41 Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ Look at this useless clown. You really want them to resign ? I gona watch every little piece of this fail cascade, and im sure the CSM will provide quite some entertaiment. Dont try to make a man hounorable he has do it himself. Centuries ago, the Bible warned of dangers posed by evil men described as master[s] at evil ideas and scheming to do bad. (Proverbs 24:8) PRIVATEERS Officialy nerfed by CCP 05/07
Sarina Berghil Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:03:00 - [170] Way to put the blame in the wrong spot. How much are CCP paying Le Skunk to get rid of the pesky CSM and get yes-men instated instead? The CSM has certainly looked around in many corner, has asked many questions, and been completely ignored by CCP. What else do you expect them to do?

Dr Geiger	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:07:00 - [171] Originally by: The Mittani this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ Not sure why people get surprised by replies like this. Did you think when you voted for a goon he would grow up when he got to the CSM ?
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:10:00 - [172] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/06/2011 12:11:35 Originally by: Sarina Berghil What else do you expect them to do? Well by now I expect nothing more than them opening their mouth nice and wide as CCP shoves its d* in. Next time that farce they call CSM election happens just remember these days and what your glorious reps did. Nothing. They're tools. Useless.
Mitsurugii Amarr Rekall Incorporated The Fendahlian Collective	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:12:00 - [173] Edited by: Mitsurugii on 26/06/2011 12:13:33 Edited by: Mitsurugii on 26/06/2011 12:13:10 Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ ------------------- Did CCP Zulu show you how to do that? Truly impressive young apprentice. ----------------------------------------------- "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like Grandad....not screaming and shouting like the passengers in his car"
Sarina Berghil Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:13:00 - [174] Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/06/2011 12:11:35 Originally by: Sarina Berghil What else do you expect them to do? Well by now I expect nothing more than them opening their mouth nice and wide as CCP shoves its d* in. Next time that farce they call CSM election happens just remember these days and what your glorious reps did. Nothing. They're tools. Useless. And so will the next CSM be if CCP keeps up their current strategy. Its a tad silly to ask for random executions just because you can't get at the ones responsible.
Holly Cleland Special Operations Foxhound	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:15:00 - [175] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a ** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ Well no wonder CCP think CSM is gay and don't give a ** what you think. ~toodles~
Dr Geiger	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:18:00 - [176] There are some good people in the CSM. not fair to hit on them all imo. But just like CCP the hard working people who care about Eve are made to look fools by "upper management".
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:21:00 - [177] Originally by: Sarina Berghil Its a tad silly to ask for random executions just because you can't get at the ones responsible. By resigning collectively, even if only temporary, they could've sent a clear and unmistakable message. But they won't do it, because they're a bunch of phonies, all of them. They talk a lot, that's it. The evidence is right here. Take it into account next time these windbags ask you to put your vote in
Onyx Blackman	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:24:00 - [178] Edited by: Onyx Blackman on 26/06/2011 12:24:43 No. EDIT: You are stupid.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:30:00 - [179] As a member of the public and playerbase both, I demand that you specifically exclude me from the preposterous claims made in the OP as I have not nor will I ever be a part in your the paranoid misinformation campaign.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:33:00 - [180] I can not blame CSM members for not having received any/enough data from CCP side in advance. But if this in fact was the case, the CSM getting abused as a decoy mechanism, then I'd quit the CSM on my own right now. Just do it. Abandon the CSM! If CCP would decide on contacting you on a private basis lateron they still could try. If they do: Feel free to ask for real life dollars for consulting work!

Templar Dane Amarr Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:34:00 - [181] Edited by: Templar Dane on 26/06/2011 12:33:41 Originally by: The Mittani i is gay and ****, p. much vOv ~toodles~ FYP
Sarina Berghil Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:36:00 - [182] Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Originally by: Sarina Berghil Its a tad silly to ask for random executions just because you can't get at the ones responsible. By resigning collectively, even if only temporary, they could've sent a clear and unmistakable message. But they won't do it, because they're a bunch of phonies, all of them. They talk a lot, that's it. The evidence is right here. Take it into account next time these windbags ask you to put your vote in Well they could. Although it would probably mean getting even bigger windbags. At least at the moment they are a bit of a thorn in the side of CCP. The messages that have already been sent are pretty clear, but you can't force the recipient to listen. Shouting louder when the comms are down just gives you a sore throat.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:44:00 - [183] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Cailais Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea. Oh wait. C. What good is a CSM if they're unable to speak? You can't scare me with this gestapo crap. I want my CSM. Oh wait.....
Mystri	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:47:00 - [184] ...many martyrs were born and the bridges did burn brightly. Mystri
Perramas Caldari Pan Caldarian Ventures	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:47:00 - [185] The CSM and the people on it are as useless as **** on a boar.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:48:00 - [186] Originally by: Le Skunk "We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale." Walk out CSM. Walk out. SKUNK SKUNK, why dont you walk out? Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Sergio Ling Wormhole Exploration Co.	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:50:00 - [187] CSMers get a free trip to Iceland and get to brofist with devs in a bar. they're not gonna walk out. _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
Asmodeus Et'Mort	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:56:00 - [188] Resign
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:56:00 - [189] Originally by: Sergio Ling CSMers get a free trip to Iceland and get to brofist with devs in a bar. they're not gonna walk out. And why should they just walk out on first sight of some small problems? If you want anything fixed you keep people at the table to solve it! FFS, have people become totally morons while ive been away on vacation?? Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Republica Winder Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:57:00 - [190] I agree. The whole CSM should quit. The alternates down the line should refuse to take office. Not that I see them doing this, they love their free trips to Iceland. But it would be the right thing to do and would send a powerful message. It'd also get even more negative press down on CCP's backstab.

Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.26 12:58:00 - [191] Well from what we know CCP keep the CSMs out of the loop when it suits them. So if I was a CSM I'd resign as they're only really being used for PR purposes (badly I might add).
Asmodeus Et'Mort	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:01:00 - [192] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Sergio Ling CSMers get a free trip to Iceland and get to brofist with devs in a bar. they're not gonna walk out. And why should they just walk out on first sight of some small problems? If you want anything fixed you keep people at the table to solve it! FFS, have people become totally morons while ive been away on vacation?? There comes a point where discussion breaks down and the only thing left is to make a statement by resigning. What do the CSM think they can do? CCP has ignored them witheld information and lied to their faces. If all of a sudden that is going to change and CCP is entering into meaningful dialgue with the CSM, why have we not been told taht and given some idea on progress? Are you gagged by NDA? certainly you have been very quiet since the radio show. Or are you silent cos your choking on gold that ccp is stuffing down your throats to keep you quiet?
Adriatico Teriaki	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:01:00 - [193] Originally by: Republica Winder I agree. The whole CSM should quit. The alternates down the line should refuse to take office. Not that I see them doing this, they love their free trips to Iceland. But it would be the right thing to do and would send a powerful message. It'd also get even more negative press down on CCP's backstab. CCP have proved they don't give a stuff about the playerbase or the CSM, so what point would it make if they quit. It would just save CCP from having to invite a group of people to tour around there lair with the lure of tentative ears. Since I started playing this game I have not seen any indication that CCP has even given the slightest interest in anything said by the playerbases CSM
Republica Winder Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:03:00 - [194] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a ** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ There you go, proof that the CSM is a bunch of worthless gits. Just don't come ***ing to the playerbase when you get to Iceland and discover that your next meeting involves Hillar and "assuming the position, we know you love it".
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:08:00 - [195] Originally by: Republica Winder Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a ** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ There you go, proof that the CSM is a bunch of worthless gits. Just don't come ***ing to the playerbase when you get to Iceland and discover that your next meeting involves Hillar and "assuming the position, we know you love it". Probably the first time I've ever felt like defending Mittani but is it possible he was satirizing CCP Zulu there? Join the Revolution!
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:11:00 - [196] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/06/2011 13:12:06 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Sergio Ling CSMers get a free trip to Iceland and get to brofist with devs in a bar. they're not gonna walk out. And why should they just walk out on first sight of some small problems? If you want anything fixed you keep people at the table to solve it! First sight? People seen this fiasko coming weeks if not months prior to CCP releasing this latest incarnation of flashy non-content. And yeah talking to people is the better choice, agreed. That is, until these people stand up, lower their zipper and start ****ing on your head. If you haven't realised by then that time for talk is over you're a tool.
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:11:00 - [197] Originally by: Republica Winder Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a ** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ There you go, proof that the CSM is a bunch of worthless gits. Just don't come ***ing to the playerbase when you get to Iceland and discover that your next meeting involves Hillar and "assuming the position, we know you love it". Well I guess from that we can assume that the remaining CSMs don't actually represent the player base any longer (debatable if some of them ever did).
JT133 Wolfsbrigade ShadowWolves.net	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:14:00 - [198] +1 I endorse this petition.
Elrica bloodbane	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:17:00 - [199] They should resign. They are supposed to represent to player base but they haven't said much on the forums. Maybe they don't want to lose free trips to iceland
Futile Rhetoric	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:17:00 - [200] Edited by: Futile Rhetoric on 26/06/2011 13:16:57 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker first sight of some small problems :')

Dr Geiger	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:21:00 - [201] CSM should give CCP a deadline, say 5 days to engage them and the playerbase in an active 2 way discussion about the troubles. If this is not met they should resign. Otherwise they are giving false positive PR to CCP.
Elrica bloodbane	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:24:00 - [202] Originally by: Darius III I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties. Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle. I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high." I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game. Who gives a f*ck about the prices GET REAL DUDE no in game bonuses is what we want dumbass
Asmodeus Et'Mort	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:27:00 - [203] Originally by: Elrica bloodbane Originally by: Darius III I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties. Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle. I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here Just so you know Darius has already bought a monocle so that should tell you all about his affiliation here. In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high." I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game. Who gives a f*ck about the prices GET REAL DUDE no in game bonuses is what we want dumbass
Asmodeus Et'Mort	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:30:00 - [204] Edited by: Asmodeus Et''Mort on 26/06/2011 13:30:30 And Darius has bought a monocle already, so his affilitation has been clearly demonstrated, shame Br1cks have sunk so low to allow him to flaunt it without someone like Harvey or Wauk podding him. Oh no they left in disgust after geminate didnt they.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:30:00 - [205] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/06/2011 13:31:01 Originally by: Katra Novac Originally by: Republica Winder Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a ** what you think, p. much vOv ~toodles~ There you go, proof that the CSM is a bunch of worthless gits. Just don't come ***ing to the playerbase when you get to Iceland and discover that your next meeting involves Hillar and "assuming the position, we know you love it". Well I guess from that we can assume that the remaining CSMs don't actually represent the player base any longer (debatable if some of them ever did). To be fair I've been pretty happy with the CSMs I voted for : Seleene Trebor Meissa From their communications/blogs/ and general effort on behalf of the community I think they at least have been working pretty hard to get to the bottom of this situation and seek answers from CCP. On the general question of whether the CSM should en masse resign / walk out. I think if CCP have not managed an appropriate response to this crisis by next Friday at the latest I will be writing to the CSMs I voted for and suggesting they should resign in protest at the way they and the community have been handled throughout the monoclegate MT/CQ affair. Join the Revolution!
Elrica bloodbane	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:32:00 - [206] CSM = CORPORATE SH*T MANAGEMENT Has done from the beginning.
Dr Geiger	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:36:00 - [207] I too voted for Seleene and Trebor. I too am happy with what they do. As I posted Earlier I too think this can't go on. CSM need to give CCP a deadline. I think most reasonable CSM members can see this, just the limelight loving members who are only in it for themselves would not see it this way imho.
Rikanin Gallente The Azerick Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:45:00 - [208] Originally by: Ajunyx What? The CSM are fine. They've already said they were just as shocked by how this all went down and they're trying to figure out what do with themselves. I'm sorry that you expect INSTANT RESULTS from the CSM. This is infantile and comes off as basically a temper tantrum. CCPs failure to communicate with the CSM isn't the CSMs fault. You're basically just looking for people to whine about now. Agreed. Did you really EVER think they had any power to do anything? All they were ever able to do is offer advice and consultation. And whether or not CCP took that advice was SOLELY at CCP's own discretion. Do I think a walkout would be a nice symbolic gesture? Yes. Do I think you have a right to be making all these unfounded accusations? NO.
Yabba Addict	Posted - 2011.06.26 13:45:00 - [209] I agree, CSM should resign or even better unsub. I don't think they've done anything wrong in any way, this isn't a punishment call. It's a call for the CSM to join the protest. We don't have any communication with CCP, the CSM are only needed for this if CCP are willing to speak. Subscription 2.0 û the future is TODAY!
Captain Mastiff	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:18:00 - [210] Let's not forget the original owner of T'Amber He walked out in protest and it looks like this was the reason why...

Elrica bloodbane	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:29:00 - [211] Edited by: Elrica bloodbane on 26/06/2011 14:32:20 Originally by: Captain Mastiff Let's not forget the original owner of T'Amber He walked out in protest and it looks like this was the reason why... And for that he should have every bodies respect. BUT if that is the reason. THEN THE CSM MUST HAVE KNOWN about this. Can't have it both ways. The CSM should unsub from the corporate sh*t management group.
Jayde Emeraude Angels of Anarchy	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:40:00 - [212] The CSM's were sent a copy of the blog that was going to be released - CSM's advised them quite strenuously to NOT put that out. CCP did it anyway. Point being - CSM's are CCP Fluff - they make a good showing by electing "token gamers voices" but when it comes down to it - it's F*** you, we're going to do what we want anyway. There is no point in the CSM's even trying now. They haven't been able to reach CCP - I would agree that CSM's should just go - CCP won't hear you anyway.
Pyro Miner Dutch Powerrr	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:44:00 - [213] never had fait in csm setup anyways yust stupid pr thinghy wich doesnt do crap . . Nyx, Wyvern and aeon BPC'S + other capitals
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:45:00 - [214] I support the CSM in walking out OR writing/calling CCP to yell at them. You know, whatever they decide to do so long as it isn't trying to sell us out to CCP. It isn't because of Monocles FFS.
Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:47:00 - [215] Edited by: Maverick2011 on 26/06/2011 14:47:13 Originally by: Ghoest These guys get free vacations and beer parties. I dont think they are going anywhere. This. They dont care about their roles, they just want freebies really. You really think they will do this? Dont be naive.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:52:00 - [216] http://meissaanunthiel.blogspot.com/
Mark Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:54:00 - [217] OP has it wrong, wrong, wrong. The CSM has been talking to CCP. They've been telling them what's needed. CCP has been ignoring them. It's been pointed out by former CCPers that there is a certain resistance to hearing negative criticism. Why should now be any different? For all that I'm shocked to do so, I'll stand by the CSM, inlcuding this CSM, for the work they're trying to do, even though their efforts are not being matched by CCP, it seems. (God, I can't believe I'm defending Mittens. Next thing you know the Detroit Lions will win the Superbowl.)
Dograzor The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:55:00 - [218] Originally by: Rusty Rush Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a ** what you think, p. much vOv + ~toodles~ You dun *ed up bro! Good luck running for the next CSM (if EVE still alive that is.) Oh don't worry, if there is a next time, Goonswarm alone will vote him in anyways ;) - "We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value"*
larry hotter bigpants	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:27:00 - [219] Originally by: Dograzor Originally by: Rusty Rush Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them. Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP? Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland? Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press. this thread is gay and i don't give a ** what you think, p. much vOv + ~toodles~ You dun **ed up bro! Good luck running for the next CSM (if EVE still alive that is.) Oh don't worry, if there is a next time, Goonswarm alone will vote him in anyways ;) all this really shows is that the CSM is really worthless and they have the same attitude as CCP. May as well not exist at all.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:30:00 - [220] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/06/2011 15:31:33 Originally by: Mark Raynor The CSM has been talking to CCP. They've been telling them what's needed. CCP has been ignoring them. Talk doesn't matter at this point. Everybody can talk. Again, if you don't let the hammer fly you might aswell shut your gob. Quote: For all that I'm shocked to do so, I'll stand by the CSM, inlcuding this CSM, for the work they're trying to do, even though their efforts are not being matched by CCP, it seems. Fair enough. However, CSM is supposed to represent. Otherwise the whole charade is useless. If they stick around and continue to suck CCP's balls then this sends a clear and very representative message: "We'll ***** and moan and set up useless 'protests' in Jita. That's it. Lot of barks, no bites." It proves that Hilmar is actually right in calling this "community" a bunch of crybabies. It's time to put your money where your mouth is. If these so-called community reps don't let their actions do the talking now, then that reveals them for what they actually are: A bunch of glorified fanboys. PR tools.

Yabba Addict	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:36:00 - [221] Originally by: Mark Raynor OP has it wrong, wrong, wrong. The CSM has been talking to CCP. They've been telling them what's needed. CCP has been ignoring them. It's been pointed out by former CCPers that there is a certain resistance to hearing negative criticism. Why should now be any different? For all that I'm shocked to do so, I'll stand by the CSM, inlcuding this CSM, for the work they're trying to do, even though their efforts are not being matched by CCP, it seems. (God, I can't believe I'm defending Mittens. Next thing you know the Detroit Lions will win the Superbowl.) We're not asking for CSM to retire for punishment, we want them to join in this protest. I, for one, think the CSM do all that they can, it's just that CCP don't want to listen to them. Once outside media learns that the CSM has also retired over this it might tip the balance Subscription 2.0 û the future is TODAY!
Aessaya Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:45:00 - [222] As far as i know, CSM is fully supportive of us, not the CCP. The problem is, CCP is ignoring them as well as us. And walking out is not a solution either. p.s. Mittens' twitter: Originally by: The Mittani @Pyrrho Past CSMs have resigned and it's just resulted in eyerolls and essentially no impact with CCP at all.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:05:00 - [223] Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 16:11:34 Originally by: Aessaya As far as i know, CSM is fully supportive of us, not the CCP. The problem is, CCP is ignoring them as well as us. And walking out is not a solution either. p.s. Mittens' twitter: Originally by: The Mittani @Pyrrho Past CSMs have resigned and it's just resulted in eyerolls and essentially no impact with CCP at all. Not so. Whilst some of the CSM members will naturally have large amounts of their self worth invested in their high powered position, and can be forgiven for seeking any excuse not to go. A mass walk out WILL have an effect! The attempt to equate the effects of a couple of csm alternates (albeit it principled) walk out during a time of calm, and a mass walk out of the entire CSM at a time of mass unsubs, threadnaughts, delusional emails, and insider leaks, is disingenuous at best. Some of you may have other words to describe it. CCP courted major news agency's when the CSM was originally introduced as a PR stunt after a Dev was caught cheating. Originally by: hilmar in the new york times I envision this council being made up of nine members selected by the players themselves, where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis... A government canÆt just keep saying, æWe are not corrupt.Æ No one will believe them. Instead you have to create transparency and robust institutions and oversight in order to maintain the confidence of the population. The Washington Post, New York times, and British Broadcasting Corporation (not just the big gaming sites.. "serious" news agencys) were all tapped up and duely posted the press releases. The exact same agencys may take an interest in the walk out. And our cause would be furthered. WHY? The piece would almost write itself. You could knock up a couple thousand words in a heartbeat. So many angles * Virtual Democracy Gone Bad - parallel with protest movements in real life * Body set up to ensure transparency walking out due to lack of transparency * Parallels with Icelands refusnik attitude in real life and CCP Ceo messianic bunker mentality * Riots in jita vs Riots in real life. * Humourous, arnt gamers a bit weird, angle. * Greed is good: Bankers greed and economic meltdown, CCP greed and virtual meltdown * Banning of whisteblowers. Freedom of speech. * The juicy "whos the CCP leaker" angle :) * Blah blah gaming industry worth xxx billion blah blah real life parralel blah blah Easy to write, interesting, topical piece with humourous undertones. Bang! On the editors desk Its players actions that count, not words. Somebody told me that.. I cant remember who! SKUNK (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:16:00 - [224] Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 16:17:06 Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 16:16:36 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Le Skunk "We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale." SKUNK, why dont you walk out? 3 Accounts Down tomorrow 3 Accounts Down in 15 Days 3 Accounts due resubbing over the next 8 weeks holding For Future Developments. Yes I am (was) one of those nerds with 9 accounts SKUNK (o)
Solosky	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:20:00 - [225] /signed I already unsubscribed all 3 accounts I pay for. Not sure for how long - but I promised myself not to reactivate each for at least 10 days. -$15 for CCP if they don't want to listen.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.26 18:24:00 - [226] Originally by: Aessaya ... Mittens' twitter: Originally by: The Mittani @Pyrrho Past CSMs have resigned and it's just resulted in eyerolls and essentially no impact with CCP at all. Signal proof. Point made. Thanks. Hilmar is right You're not doing anything. You take the c*** he just jammed up your asses with a bit of fuss and whimpering, story over. He'll pamper his little CSM ***** a bit and get on with business as usual. And when all this is said and done nothing will have changed... except for the stress tolerance of your sphincters.
SphereZA	Posted - 2011.06.26 18:30:00 - [227] Co-Sign CSM Should walk out and a new Panel be elected.
BabyEating Dingo	Posted - 2011.06.26 18:41:00 - [228] It's been confirmed that CCP is inviting the CSM for an "extraordinary" session. Time for the CSM to save their dignity and say NO to a free beer vacation and meaningless symbolic gesture. CSM, you are being manipulated. You are the convenient excuse, the punchline to CCP's bad joke they call listening to our concerns. Show us you have some self respect and decline to let CCP bribe you into BSing us further.
BabyEating Dingo	Posted - 2011.06.26 18:43:00 - [229] Edited by: BabyEating Dingo on 26/06/2011 18:44:17 Accidentally doubles.
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 - [230] Right, shut up moaning for a few days till we see what happens after the meeting now please. Izo Azlion. ---

MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [231] Originally by: BabyEating Dingo Show us you have some self respect and decline to let CCP bribe you into BSing us further. Not gonna happen. They'll fly over for some asslicking and until then the mods are free to shut down critique, questions and discussion at will. Story over.
JT Black Amarr ALPHA REACTION	Posted - 2011.07.03 05:11:00 - [232] You can fly to Iceland . But you will never change Hilmar an his associates mentality of making more money. I say let EvE online take it's natural course of being a distant memory and let it die to give way to their new project the vampires MMO. It was a good run for a few good years , thanks to all my friends and the early ccp mentality which made us play this game.We shall remember EvE while playing world of tanks P:P:P: Aurevoir. CSM you have no saying in what they want to do, you went over there and tried that's it.
Kosma Zenobius	Posted - 2011.07.03 05:30:00 - [233] Why are so many bent on destroying CCP? Hate EVE much??
AngryMax Gallente Warriors tribe DarkSide.	Posted - 2011.07.03 06:53:00 - [234] I am not convinced by anything in Arnar's statement. There is literally nothing in it promising that they won't be selling ships or modules in NeX. Its carefully worded to do just that - sell non-game-breaking items whatever the **** that means. A 80% DCU is non-game-breaking. Skillpoints for AUR is non-game-breaking. Special skill books are non-game-breaking. Are you having a tough time killing that clown with a monocle because he is jacked up on the NeX? Use 2 accounts or bring a friend. Game isn't broken, HTFU! CSM looks spineless right now. Did you get to meet with Hillar and grill him on his arrogant email? No? What about lies and contradictions in CCP's statements over the years regarding their "sandbox"? Doesn't look like it. Doesn't seem like you flexed any muscles at all. It will take months for you to gain my trust again CCP. I'll resubscribe when I am convinced you aren't a bunch of greedy manipulative corporate liars.
Markarian Aurelius Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration	Posted - 2011.07.03 07:27:00 - [235] To the OP. Please do the following for the sake of everyone on the forums: and finally Thank you kindly.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.07.03 07:30:00 - [236] Edited by: RougeOperator on 03/07/2011 07:31:25 +1 But the guys on the CSM right now arnt going to stand with the players. We already got the message that they have been bought and sold by CCP. CCP behaves like they were Icelandic bankers. Originally by: Kosma Zenobius Why are so many bent on destroying CCP? Hate EVE much?? Icelandic banker mentality. We are not the ones destroying eve.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:26:00 - [237] Originally by: Markarian Aurelius To the OP. Please do the following for the sake of everyone on the forums: ... ... and finally ...] Thank you kindly. I have images turned off on the forums, Im sure what you posted was hilarious however so you should have three biscuits, one for each picture. SKUNK (o)
dicen3	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:45:00 - [238] Originally by: AngryMax I am not convinced by anything in Arnar's statement. There is literally nothing in it promising that they won't be selling ships or modules in NeX. Its carefully worded to do just that - sell non-game-breaking items whatever the **** that means. A 80% DCU is non-game-breaking. Skillpoints for AUR is non-game-breaking. Special skill books are non-game-breaking. Are you having a tough time killing that clown with a monocle because he is jacked up on the NeX? Use 2 accounts or bring a friend. Game isn't broken, HTFU! CSM looks spineless right now. Did you get to meet with Hillar and grill him on his arrogant email? No? What about lies and contradictions in CCP's statements over the years regarding their "sandbox"? Doesn't look like it. Doesn't seem like you flexed any muscles at all. It will take months for you to gain my trust again CCP. I'll resubscribe when I am convinced you aren't a bunch of greedy manipulative corporate liars. I don't even have to write it myself. signed
Yin Utada	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:53:00 - [239] Originally by: dicen3 Originally by: AngryMax I am not convinced by anything in Arnar's statement. There is literally nothing in it promising that they won't be selling ships or modules in NeX. Its carefully worded to do just that - sell non-game-breaking items whatever the **** that means. A 80% DCU is non-game-breaking. Skillpoints for AUR is non-game-breaking. Special skill books are non-game-breaking. Are you having a tough time killing that clown with a monocle because he is jacked up on the NeX? Use 2 accounts or bring a friend. Game isn't broken, HTFU! CSM looks spineless right now. Did you get to meet with Hillar and grill him on his arrogant email? No? What about lies and contradictions in CCP's statements over the years regarding their "sandbox"? Doesn't look like it. Doesn't seem like you flexed any muscles at all. It will take months for you to gain my trust again CCP. I'll resubscribe when I am convinced you aren't a bunch of greedy manipulative corporate liars. I don't even have to write it myself. signed
Neqa'el Uphir Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.07.03 15:57:00 - [240] Edited by: Neqa''el Uphir on 03/07/2011 15:57:48 /signed! They are happy with the apology devblog? This guy should have been fired 10 minutes after posting the first one. I have spent some years in the PR business, and working in the games sector too - CCP, you guys are CLUELESS.

Carli Zandrya Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:06:00 - [241] Stop being an attention wh ore and just unsub already and walk away. The only phoenix that will rise is the one from whoever or whatever is left. Everyone has different opinions, don't expect them all to be like yours. If you don't like it then just go. --------------------------------------------- Take a stand or fall for anything. EvE is no longer wife, it is now sleazy mistress.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:07:00 - [242] Haven't we had enough "Sign if you're a ******" threads?
Anyura	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:13:00 - [243] Originally by: ChaeDoc II Haven't we had enough "Sign if you're a ****" threads? Of course we haven't. ****s are a growth industry on forums.
JT Black Amarr ALPHA REACTION	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:31:00 - [244] Skunk Thx for this. To the old days and keeping it real all this time. Now you CSM are toys in the hands of corporate decisions. CSM be realistic and be honest with the ones in you corps or alliances or those who even bothered in voting...not my case I for one would like a video feed of an interview with CCP with a bit more of content... Example this video would be with most of ccp guys sharing a few drinks and saying, ok guys lets roll back EvE to the old days where greed was not important but making this an awesome product.We are aiming to give EvE back to the players just the way it was years ago. We all understand that economy in iceland and most of countries in Europe is bad atm but getting to this level it was unrealistic for a game of internet spaceships you meant seriouzzz businezzz ! Keep the game cheap to play and make it more appealing for PvP . We are simply fed up of hitting the draw table to cope with your constant nerfs. You ccp only keep tabs/updates on content which benefits those big alliances and blobs who you need to keep happy...otherwise they emo rage quit...and you loose money right ? SO the reality is this, you haven't lost the blobs which you so nicely worked hard to keep happy all these years but as the years went by you lost all those EvE players who were in small corps or small groups, now if you account for those ? How many have you lost in total ? Answer this question if you can.
Jaroslav Unwanted	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:47:00 - [245] hmm no.
k'ryn	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:54:00 - [246] I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this or not, but I would like to point out the fact that CCP is a BUSINESS and is in fact out to EXPLOIT the player base in order to make MONEY. The csm is a line of communication, and while communication is not "taken seriously" the reason that it's not taken seriously is because of the player base as a whole, not the csm's in general. The common player in EVE is looking to have their race buffed in terms of ships and weapons and every other race's nerfed...just a baseline...this is why no usefull communication is passed on to CCP. CCP isn't patting the csm's on the head, they're patting the player base as a whole on the head. Just keep that in mind when calling fo a walk out. If you really want to get CCP's attention, I call for a mass subscription cancelation. If you don't like what eve is now...just quit. Simple answer.
Cutter Isaacson Minmatar Fearsome Engine	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:12:00 - [247] Originally by: Le Skunk Or they could resign. That will work. Please provide evidence for this. Originally by: Not CCP Zinfandel CCP Zinfandel: ****ING SPACE MONOCLES!


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I am calling on a mass walk out of CSM representatives

This has not turned out to be the case.

Its not too late, Dear CSM member. Its not to late to redeem yourself

Be A Phoenix. Take Your Chance. Resign publicly now

Currently we get more communication from monitoring one random devs Twitter Feed

They cannot save us through talk. They CAN save us through ACTION

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

Like Goldfish

BE A PHOENIX

I am calling on a mass walk out of CSM representatives

Once they were puppets, now they are clowns

A mass walk out WILL have an effect!

So many angles