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Rion Deteisan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:18:00 -
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need more money? Try the "Truth-er" way..
STEP 1: Create PROBLEM: Pay2WIN
STEP 2: Create SOLUTION: "I will pay $20 per month"
STEP 3: INTRODUCE $20 per account instead of Pay2Win..
STEP 4: People ADOPT $20 per account because Pay2Win is BAD!.
STEP 5: People forget about Pay2Win.
STEP 6: PROFIT!!!
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Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:20:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: SciWolf
This idea might save EvE as it is now. And i truly want it so.
I'm suspecting this to ba a money grubing CCP alt now.
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SciWolf
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rion Deteisan
need more money? Try the "Truth-er" way..
STEP 1: Create PROBLEM: Pay2WIN
STEP 2: Create SOLUTION: "I will pay $20 per month"
STEP 3: INTRODUCE $20 per account instead of Pay2Win..
STEP 4: People ADOPT $20 per account because Pay2Win is BAD!.
STEP 5: People forget about Pay2Win.
STEP 6: PROFIT!!!
The truth-er way was to just announce that the current income is not covering all the expenses (whatever they are, i don't care), and ask community to understand it. That is all. It will work far better than putting everyone on fire, and make many unsubscribe and so on. Thats why i started the thread. I want eve to be eve.
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Maltrus
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:21:00 -
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As it has been stated before there is already MT in the game you short sighted fools and don't give me the whole " But CCP will do ships and ammo" So? I mean if I want to i can buy plex after plex and get isk to BUY an already established char. I don't see people up in arms around this. I am sorry but you don't have a leg to stand on here.
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SciWolf
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kieron VonDeux
Originally by: SciWolf
This idea might save EvE as it is now. And i truly want it so.
I'm suspecting this to ba a money grubing CCP alt now.
No i am not. I am an old player, since 2005, from Russia, Moscow.
I enjoyed this game all the time, but now i can't anymore. Look my posts! =)
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:26:00 -
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I would quit EVE instantly the day I can't buy game time with ISK. If you want to remove all MT from the game you will have to remove the PLEX. Which is my que to leave.
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Elliott Calvadeux
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:28:00 -
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X
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Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:28:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 25/06/2011 11:31:50
Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 25/06/2011 11:28:53
at its current price, and going from the current data known about the amount of monocles bought we have:
54 monocles sold in 40 hours time for a price of 80 dollars a piece (from leaked Hilmar letter)
Presuming this is true and that the initial rush ( ) on these items has subsided we can calculate the following:
54 * 80 = 4320,- dollars
To calculate the money made during 1 day on monocles we do:
4320 / 40 * 24 = 2592,- dollars/day
multiply by 30 to get a months worth:
2592 * 30 = 77.760,- dollars/month on monocles.
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Eves subscription is 15,- dollars/euros a month a month
There are roughly 350.000+ subscribers to EVE
15,- * 350.000 = 5.250.000,- dollars a month in subscription income.
The RMT store right now is a joke, its prices are way to high for it to be profitable. Even if all the other items in the RMT store sell just as well it still wouldn't hold a candle to the subscriptions.
And the ironic part is that if the NeX prices wouldn't be so extremly high, they might actually turn a larger profit.
Imagine the following: the monocle and t-shirts would be no more expensive than 5,- at most. Supply and demand states that demand will increase exponentially if the price is lowered:
80 / 5 = 20 times less expensive
54^2 = 2916 sales in 40 hours
2916 * 5,- dollars / 40 *24 * 30 = 262.440,- dollars a month
262.440,- dollars a month is a lot more than a measly 77.760,- dollars a month...
now this is hypothetical and there is no way of knowing if the EVE community would actually buy these items at this rate. But regardless, overpricing worthless virtual items that add no value to the game is simply STUPID.
Increasing the subscription price of EVE to 20 dollars a month would net a subscription income of 7 million dollars a month. that's an increase of nearly 2 million dollars a month on income.
Presuming no players will leave over the sudden price increase of their subscription. which would likely happen. Then again, inflation and such havn't been properly taking into account either.
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SciWolf
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Comy 1
I would quit EVE instantly the day I can't buy game time with ISK. If you want to remove all MT from the game you will have to remove the PLEX. Which is my que to leave.
Its not about removing plexes. Its about NEX.
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Azran Zala
Fleet of the Damned
Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:29:00 -
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X I'll pay $20 if they bring back spining in stations.
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picchiatello
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:29:00 -
[41]
X
I prefere pay 20 but not item shop
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Uriel Laskaris
Minmatar
Chemal Research and Development
Enemy-Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:29:00 -
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FREE MONOCLES OR EVERYTHING BURNS! also FREE ROSA PARKS!
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Bevil Smyth
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:29:00 -
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I'd resub both my main and eventually my alt after my next pay rise if CCP went this route, I mean its only reasonable to increase the sub occasionally due to inflation anyway.
I dont mind paying more I just want access to the whole thing with what I pay. Not get a robbed feeling that I need to pay twice for anything.
Another reccomendation to CCP though is to slow down on the growth ambitions, I worked in the games industry for as long as EVE has been alive and have seen soooooo many developers go down the swanny by over-extending themselves after having a hit product. Keep growth small and managable, make one extra game with your extra money not 2 huge ambitious ones. Look after your golden goose and dont milk it (too much) people arent stupid and they know when they are being fleeced.
I really like CCP and EVE despite the shortcomings of both. I want them to succeed but I find myself in danger of apathy right now. Please listen to constructive solutions like this one.
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Austherus Sialomaet
Amarr
Secluded Stronghold Order
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:31:00 -
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X - I would pay 20 bucks if they get rid of the dark future of the gameplay changing micro-transactions.
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Inca Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:32:00 -
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X - I would be happy to pay $20 subs providing there is no pay2win type stuff.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:33:00 -
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If they're that starved of development resources, I think a sub fee increase is reasonable.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: RougeOperator on 25/06/2011 11:34:19
Originally by: Takseen
If they're that starved of development resources, I think a sub fee increase is reasonable.
Screw paying more,
This only happened cause they spread to thin. I dont reward failure and bad choices with more money. Its not my fault they overextended.
Shelve world of darkness for a while. Then you have all the money you need.
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Kirynn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator
Edited by: RougeOperator on 25/06/2011 11:34:19
Originally by: Takseen
If they're that starved of development resources, I think a sub fee increase is reasonable.
Screw paying more,
This only happened cause they spread to thin. I dont reward failure and bad choices with more money. Its not my fault they overextended.
Shelve world of darkness for a while. Then you have all the money you need.
Dude, can you remember the last time they raised the sub? EVE is expensive I know but I think its worth it to save it. Let CCP learn from this mistake rather than fail cascade.
x for $20 sub and no MT.
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: SciWolf
Originally by: Comy 1
I would quit EVE instantly the day I can't buy game time with ISK. If you want to remove all MT from the game you will have to remove the PLEX. Which is my que to leave.
Its not about removing plexes. Its about NEX.
To me it's all the same.
1) Before Incarna we had PLEX, where anyone could spend real life money to get a PLEX, that they could sell in game to get ISK.
2) With Incarna they introduce the new currency Aurum, which you obtain by trading in PLEX. This means that anyone can spend ISK to gain access to all items in the store.
3) This results in a scenario where the mechanics stays the same as they were pre Incarna. The only difference is that CCP ensures that SOMEONE has payed for the item with money that in alot of cases would already have been spent.
As I see it, a monocle does not cost 80$. A monocle cost X ammount of ISK that would cost 80$ to buy if you would spend said real life money to buy PLEX for that sole reason. But this could be said about any item in EVE. A Maller could be said to have the same value, a Salvager I or a Titan.
It's a matter of perspective. I respect the people protesting, because I think it will help CCP to realize how far they can take MT before crossing the REAL line. However, as it is now, no mechanic has REALLY been changed.
As I stated earlier, anyone can buy these items purely with ISK, given the supply of PLEX don't run dry. And removing this option would NEVER happend, since at the end of the day, someone spent those real life money to buy a PLEX. But said person might aswell have done so to afford Drakes to fight a war, rather than buy a monocle.
My 2 cents.
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Vannbros Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:37:00 -
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It's more about the benefits with the MT payment option. While there are dangers with over-saturation, if done well and right the benefits in regards to the income stream is much more substantial than a few dollar increase to subscription rates.
I think however CCP has no choice BUT to go towards a MT direction as that's what the industry is doing. I wouldn't be surprised to see it in single player games, some would argue that it's already there with DLC availability on release day. Battlefield 3 is getting pre-order bonus's and possibly region specific DLC's too so it's just another method of monetizing and maximising the income of a title.
When development costs are in the tens of millions, selling a title in the old way (one price paid at the checkout), no longer makes sense as you need to sell a large volume to break even, and even more to make a profit for investors. Instead if you produce a title from scratch that already has content ear-marked for a DLC premium payment already on the disc, then it's possible that not only will people pay the retail/download price plus the extra price for the unlock code. Assassins Creed Brotherhood already did this in the way of Uplay points which you earned through playing the game. Won't be long until it'll be a dollar or two.
When it comes to Eve Online however alliances have been paying extra for years, even before it was sanctioned by CCP, for many it was a case of doing or die and others because they could keep fighting for a month longer and possibly turn the tide in that time.
If you don't like Microtransactions, gaming on the PC or consoles may not be your thing in the years to come as more and more titles will appreciate and develop towards it. CCP are taking an alternate route that I hope gets adopted by the industry in that what you buy for Aurum you can put on the market for ISK thus those that can't/won't pay direct cash could still put up a buy order for the item(s).
I do recognise the difference between buying a PLEX and buying a State Issue Battlecruiser for cash from CCP, however if this reduces the mineral basket for the economy then it COULD reduce the botting income generating more opportunities for the real miners out there.
As far as I can tell they are still in the early stages of developing the MT market in both Dust 514 and Eve Online. World of Darkness is still in pre-production which sounds like not a line of code has been produced let alone finalised. We can still influence how CCP rolls it out, but roll it out they will. Instead of whining and throwing the baby out with the dish washer accept it's coming and try to come up with suggestions that CCP can use to make Eve better, don't forget not everyone will buy an item for Aurum to use they can also put it on the market, so if you never bought an Aurum you could still benefit from what CCP brings out.
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Doh Stupid
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:37:00 -
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Yes, but why should we?
Ways for them to make more money.
Trim their staff, when ever you see them, most are sat around doing nothing.
Take a wage cut, I bet those in management are vamping most of the profits.
Cut the advertising down, everywhere I surf there is a eve add, they should not need to advertise a good product.
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Leylla Gainsborought
Fallen Angel's
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:37:00 -
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if they put subs up to more money ill cancel my 3 accounts immediately
Dont ecourage these already greedy **stards to be more greedy by rolling over to them and offering to pay more sub.
is the OP a fkin spastic or what?
its simple , grow a pair boycot the stupid space barbie doll shop and stop acting like a wet fany ffs
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: SciWolf
But no RMT ingame and ****ty AURUM.
Who is for it - X HERE
No definately not!
Especially when you have someone in charge that has no interest in the customers and only any interest in what he can get out of them (money).
So lets say it went up to $20 dollars to keep MT out, next year it might have to go up to $25 to make sure it stays out at least for another year.
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Marcus Wilde
Gallente
Guerrilla Cartel
INVICTUS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:39:00 -
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x - I wouldn't mind paying extra for a my subscription if I thought that ccp were under some real financial pressure. I love this game and if it means paying a little extra just to keep it as it was, then yeah NP I'll pay. But unfortunately it seems that the development of Dust and WOD has stretched ccp's resources to the limit, and they are trying to get eve players to foot the pill for games that we may never even play.
P.S. I think some of the criticism being thrown at some of the devs is well out of order, imo it's obvious that they are being told what to say from the man at the top. Just my 2 cents.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kirynn
Originally by: RougeOperator
Edited by: RougeOperator on 25/06/2011 11:34:19
Originally by: Takseen
If they're that starved of development resources, I think a sub fee increase is reasonable.
Screw paying more,
This only happened cause they spread to thin. I dont reward failure and bad choices with more money. Its not my fault they overextended.
Shelve world of darkness for a while. Then you have all the money you need.
Dude, can you remember the last time they raised the sub? EVE is expensive I know but I think its worth it to save it. Let CCP learn from this mistake rather than fail cascade.
x for $20 sub and no MT.
Why would i want to save a bunch of a holes that think im a slave again?
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:43:00 -
[56]
X
I've been playing for 7 years @ $15. The game is better, and the dollar is... well... not.
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SciWolf
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:49:00 -
[57]
bumpeeeee
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Tank CEO
Caldari
Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:52:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Tank CEO on 25/06/2011 11:55:02
More than 15$ a month would hurt Eve-online and won't work mainly because every other MMO out there is 15$ a month. You have to keep the prices the same, and I am afraid that clothes won't intrigue people to join eve-online with a 20$ monthly sub. Thats 60$ more a year. If anything, start charging for expansions like WOW does if you want to increase your revenue. I will agree to that, so long as MT is gone (Except for PLEX and Character Bazaar), and the expansions are way better than what they are now. A good way to follow content wise is World of Warcraft, and no, I don't play that game for 2 years now!
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SciWolf
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO
More than 15$ a month would hurt Eve-online and won't work mainly because every other MMO out there is 15$ a month. You have to keep the prices the same, and I am afraid that clothes won't intrigue people to join eve-online with a 20$ monthly sub. Thats 60$ more a year. If anything, start charging for expansions like WOW does if you want to increase your revenue. I will agree to that, so long as MT is gone, and the expansions are way better than what they are now. A good way to follow content wise is World of Warcraft, and no, I don't play that game for 2 years now!
Also a very good idea. I'm willing to pay for expansions, but for GOOD ONES.
But RMT from CCP will ruin the game. That is true.
There's completely no sense in NEX store unless they're going to sell things taht give ingame advantages.
Btw my idea about rising the sub cost is that game becomes good, and dollar falls down, as all currencies do.
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Ender sup
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kieron VonDeux
no
Not empty quoting.
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