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glepp
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:58:00 -
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Dear CCP.
I came into EVE two and a half years ago, as i figured I'd give a spaceship MMO a try. I spent my first couple of days mindlessly flying around, mining asteroids in a Navitas and trying to run L1 missions in a noobship. I was frustrated, but at the same time fascinated with the difficulty of the game and the effort seemingly required. However, i got so frustrated i was about to quit.
Then i found Eve University, and it opened up a whole new aspect of the game for me - The Community. That community has kept me in for the last couple of years, leading me to spend far too much time on the game. First in E-Uni, later in Agony Unleashed. I've skirmished, scouted, probed, written tactics, held classes and led fleets (some would say quite badly). I didn't do this because the game in itself provides a reward for it, i didn't do it for isk. I did it because i was doing it with people, and there was a community that cared. For me, that kind of effort is a personal investment that requires quite a bit of personal involvement. You could say i care.
Without its community, this game would not exist in its current form. Most game developers would give an arm and a leg for a community that cared this much about their game. We have stuck with you through a lot of VERY bad calls you've made over the years. You've listened and adjusted. More importantly, you've seemed to care about us.
Not so anymore.
I can understand that you get ****ed off about ad hominem attacks on your employees and internal memos getting leaked. I agree, some of the stuff said about Soundwave was completely uncalled for. He's one guy working in your company and doesn't deserve this kind of flak. He seems nice too.
That, however, is no excuse for you blatantly ignoring feedback from the community that makes your game. You're proud to market yourself as the "player-driven game" where the developers "have a close relationship with the community" and "player feedback is a vital part of game development". Well, without this community, your game will cease to exist in its current form, and your refusal to listen to us or your CSM is driving away your community. Without that, there will be no Eve.
We don't care about the price of a bloody monocle. If you want to sell that to idiots or trolls with too much isk on their hands, go right ahead. We do care about a couple of other things though:
1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you.
2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it.
This will be my last post on your forums. I've used up all my care.
I'm disappointed in you, CCP.
You had it all, and you threw it away for money. |
JTK Fotheringham
Dashavatara
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:00:00 -
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+1
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:01:00 -
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 Originally by: EVE: Tyrannis Trailer, May 3, 2010
Creation is so precious...
and greed, so destructive.
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Bruno Gillest
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:05:00 -
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Greed is good.
Community is better.
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Scarlet Intelis
Minmatar
Combined Imperial Fleet
JIHADASQUAD
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:07:00 -
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Well said mate. These are my thoughts exactly. When I was a noob I felt the same way about Eve. The mature community makes all the difference and CCP is throwing it out for short term gains . . . 8 years run into the toilet in 1.
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Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:08:00 -
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This is such a good post.
Although I think a lot of rage is that over the last 2 years we have had next to no content for EVE online, we were mostly assuming it was because it was all going on incarna which would be awesome
Now we have it and we realise it is ****, and only serves to test the system for WoD and earn money for CCP to fund WoD
Other OP hits the mark. And at 2.5 year OP has barely seen what a real expansion from CCP looks like so don't even bother with the 'bitter vet' assault.
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Defialed
Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:13:00 -
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My Dad first found EvE from a side bar advertisement.
When I first joined- It was love at first sight. It was a high learning curve, a game that I couldn't "beat" in a few hours, a game that I could do anything I wanted. When I had questions for CCP, I used the petition button and got intelligent, friendly responses within a few hours.
Was very impressed, as I was used to most companies just not caring about your problems. My father was also impressed, and we both started playing around Christmas of 2007.
Not gonna lie, I was a RS noob, was a kid, was the only MMO I played. Jagex, the company that ran RS - removed free trade and the main 'pvp' area. I lost faith and interest in Jagex, and so I left.
When I heard that CCP was going to implement AURUM VANITY ITEMS ONLY "micro" transactions, couldn't care less. But when I read the FEARLESS news letter leak, I was shocked and angry. My father was too. Just the DISCUSSION of giving an advantage to those who have MORE money then everyone else... That was offensive.
I'm not unsubbing till an official response from CCP comes through with "yes, we will be selling ships/sp/items for AURUM". But I will say that I am impressed and proud of the community of EvE that cares enough to riot and burn the forums in response to this. Even through all the hate we have for eachother- Everyones against this. Not only is it the MT's, but also I WANT TO SPIN MAH SHIP. I want to drag and drop my ship into hangar... I want CQ to be optional...
/my rant
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tagen young
Caldari
The Night Witch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:25:00 -
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CCP seems to be ignoring the official forums at the moment and I fear they will simply dismiss all the comments as emorage.
The Eve Uni website is an interesting read. The thread is over 550 replies long and the number of old friends leaving because of this makes this a very sad time for me. Glepp is correct in that the community is everything and without it eve is nothing.
If you don't believe your own forums than maybe take a look. Lets face it love it or hate it the uni is not known for trolling or flaming.
http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44180
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Kye Do'lan
Gallente
Order of the Domain
The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: glepp
We don't care about the price of a bloody monocle. If you want to sell that to idiots or trolls with too much isk on their hands, go right ahead. We do care about a couple of other things though:
1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you.
2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it.
I'm disappointed in you, CCP.
You had it all, and you threw it away for money.
Have to agree with this, a well thought out post.
I've been a constant player for over 8 years now without a break in subscription, and the disreguard that you now give the older community is abysmal, you will lose most of your older community if you start selling skillpoints/ships/items/ammo etc for isk, I dont give a f$*k for MT,CQ or walking in stations as it distracts from gameplay I would walk around naked if i could as a protest if CQ isnt optional.
As soon as isk for skills comes into MT I'm out of here
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Van Slyke
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:24:00 -
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+1
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Adriatico Teriaki
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:36:00 -
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+1
The initial post is concise and to the point.
Whats the bet CCP have already seen it and will ignore this also
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Orthos Soban
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:41:00 -
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Oh, c'mo-o-on, people. What makes me sick is that most of players think they are smart enough to keep game developers as a bunch of ******ed morons. I don't think that people who did such a great game don't know what they do. You can be sure, any idea you thinking now about eve with a 99% chance is already known by CCP for long long time.
I don't know exactly what CCP goin to do with eve in future, but words like "Dear CCP, you don't know what you do." makes me only laugh.
And speech forms like "Dear CCP, I'm goin out" *Door bang* actually sounds like teenagers wine. Get out, CCP is not your parents, no one cares about you.
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Serptimis
Amarr
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:48:00 -
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CCP seem to have spend a lot of time and effort to create in game content whose sole purpose is to enable MT's. If that effort had been spend improving the game in line with the communities suggestions, you would probably now have an MMO that would attract even greater number of customers.
It is disheartening that this company doesn't think along those lines, that actually improving player experience is not a viable solution to increasing the player base and therefore profit.
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JC Ferguson
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.01 17:56:00 -
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I must have missed this originally. Great post (I don't agree with all of it. Stofferninjapirate deserved a LOT of flak, CSM VI is useless and self-serving and this wasn't your last post on forums, but still.)
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:06:00 -
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Well said. Definitely +1.
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Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:16:00 -
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Yup, top post, cuts through the chaff and gets to the heart of it.
It looks like a whole bunch of the players who made EVE EVE just don't trust CCP any more.
Sad times for lovers of virtual world/sandbox MMORPGs. EVE was the last great hope, the last refuge.
Oh well, there's always "real life" 
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"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: glepp
We do care about a couple of other things though:
1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you.
2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it.
Ok.
1)(a) They did give a clear answer. Just because it wasn't the answer that you wanted doesn't change that. They said, roughly, that there are currently no plans for game affecting items in the NeX store. That is perfectly clear. It means that right now they aren't going to do it but they won't commit to never doing it so things may change.
1) (b) Listening to your community does not equate with doing what the most vocal part of that community wants.
2) The CQ is optional, uncheck the load station environment box in the graphics options and you are no longer using it. Sure you still have something different to what was there pre-Incarna but you are still not using the CQ. None of the things that you can do in the CQ can be done from the door. Wasn't the inclusion of a door also an example of "listening to your community"?
If anyone is about to tell me that I missed the point or that that wasn't what was meant then you really need to communicate clearly, just as you want CCP to do.
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Solosky
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:27:00 -
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Please, stop calling $70 payments (4 plexes to buy monocle) "Microtransactions". With this kind of money you can feed whole village during a month in central Africa - it's nowhere near "micro" term.
As for EVE losing community - well,
1) game improved - alot! - during last few years (good tutorials, huge amount of instructions in the internets backed by ads) and now community isn't that critical as it was 3-5 years ago and
2) everything has its end.
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Atedar Kerane
Silentium Mortalitas
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:28:00 -
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Very well written.
I agree with you, except for 1 thing.
CCP already stated they won't do game affecting MT i.e Gold Ammo.
It's a shame that the CCP Management that makes these decisions are some bureaucratic economists with no love or care for the actual game.
Those are the people to blame...
Problem is, they don't read the forum, they only look at their precious graphs. As long as they look good, they don't give a sh*t.
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:41:00 -
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"We are currently not planning to introduce microtransactions in Eve Online." CCP Shadow, 1 year ago.
"We are currently not planning to introduce gold ammo in Eve Online." CCP Poopnugget, 1 month ago.
They're full of it.
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raker
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Posted - 2011.08.01 19:15:00 -
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+1
Excellent post by the OP
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2011.08.01 19:18:00 -
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Great post by op and +1 from me.
Originally by: Lauren Hellfury
2) The CQ is optional, uncheck the load station environment box in the graphics options and you are no longer using it. Sure you still have something different to what was there pre-Incarna but you are still not using the CQ. None of the things that you can do in the CQ can be done from the door. Wasn't the inclusion of a door also an example of "listening to your community"?
You must be new here. The optional part is only temporary.
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BehindDOORNEXWhore
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Posted - 2011.08.01 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Orthos Soban
I don't know exactly what CCP goin to do with eve in future, but words like "Dear CCP, you don't know what you do." makes me only laugh.
And speech forms like "Dear CCP, I'm goin out" *Door bang* actually sounds like teenagers wine. Get out, CCP is not your parents, no one cares about you.
You Sir are a Tool ... of the highest order, please complete your avatar so we may see your monocle.
The point is, no one has ever paid their parents to do a parental job.
+1 to the OP btw. great post.
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.08.01 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: glepp
Dear CCP.
I came into EVE two and a half years ago, as i figured I'd give a spaceship MMO a try.
Stopped reading right here. You came into the game with the wrong idea.
Fly safe, Die hard |
glepp
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Posted - 2011.08.01 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lauren Hellfury
Originally by: glepp
We do care about a couple of other things though:
1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you.
2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it.
Ok.
1)(a) They did give a clear answer. Just because it wasn't the answer that you wanted doesn't change that. They said, roughly, that there are currently no plans for game affecting items in the NeX store. That is perfectly clear. It means that right now they aren't going to do it but they won't commit to never doing it so things may change.
1) (b) Listening to your community does not equate with doing what the most vocal part of that community wants.
2) The CQ is optional, uncheck the load station environment box in the graphics options and you are no longer using it. Sure you still have something different to what was there pre-Incarna but you are still not using the CQ. None of the things that you can do in the CQ can be done from the door. Wasn't the inclusion of a door also an example of "listening to your community"?
If anyone is about to tell me that I missed the point or that that wasn't what was meant then you really need to communicate clearly, just as you want CCP to do.
Wow, someone necroed my emorage...
This was posted before CCP retracted their stance on MTs, and people were ragequitting all over. Regarding 1, they did give an answer, and i understand why it couldn't be more straight, from a business point of view. I still think they're chicken about it tho. Where is the Fearlessness?
I came back to the game after cancelling my accounts because of their answer to 1. I also regained enough care to post here again. Just enough.
regarding 2, I still hate the door. I want to see what ship I'm in without cluttering the screen and loading my 70+ ships, and i want to double click it to access inventory. It's a vital functionality for me, since all i do is pvp. Incarna being non-optional really reduced the game functionality for me, and I'm surprised CCP want to risk that to introduce a bit of mascara and lace. Also a little disappointed if you hadn't noticed.
No, I'm not crying, and yes, i did cancel my accounts over it but came back after their kow-tow to the CSM. So stop telling me to leave. I will when It's not fun anymore, but I will also make sure to tell CCP to stop sucking before i do so.
Troll away.
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Xavier Quo
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Posted - 2011.08.01 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Quo on 01/08/2011 20:47:27
Edited by: Xavier Quo on 01/08/2011 20:46:46
Spend years creating the most convincing alternate reality the world has ever seen.
Destroy it in one day by trying to crowbar the real world into it.
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Trainwreck McGee
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Posted - 2011.08.01 20:46:00 -
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Agreed
+1
I use to be such a huge CCP fanboy....but now they are just like all the rest.
*cries a single tear that turns into an emo nu-vampire unicorn that whispers CCP then vanishes......
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.01 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fix Lag
"We are currently not planning to introduce microtransactions in Eve Online." CCP Shadow, 1 year ago.
"We are currently not planning to introduce gold ammo in Eve Online." CCP Poopnugget, 1 month ago.
Precisely. Why should anybody believe them now when they've provenly lied in the past?
Mistrust is what happens when you are caught out lying, and lose peoples' trust.
The only thing that could rescue CCP now is absolute penitence and a complete clearing of the decks to work on making EVE the best space game it could possibly be.
First thing, as a sign of good faith, would be to bring back the Hangar view and make CQ an option therefrom, a button alongside "Undock", just as we saw in that presentation a few years ago.
I love the potential of Incarna and WiS, and the promise of an all-in s-f space sim.
But to regain trust, CCP would have to put that on the back burner for a while. Maybe bring in the varied racial CQs and that would be enough for the moment.
Fix the main problems that have been bugging people for the past few years, and the many little bugs that still plague the game. You know what they are.
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"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
Nth Ares
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Posted - 2011.08.01 20:50:00 -
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Supported. Said very well. Thank you.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.08.01 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: glepp
This will be my last post on your forums. I've used up all my care.
LOL!
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