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glepp	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:58:00 - [1] Dear CCP. I came into EVE two and a half years ago, as i figured I'd give a spaceship MMO a try. I spent my first couple of days mindlessly flying around, mining asteroids in a Navitas and trying to run L1 missions in a noobship. I was frustrated, but at the same time fascinated with the difficulty of the game and the effort seemingly required. However, i got so frustrated i was about to quit. Then i found Eve University, and it opened up a whole new aspect of the game for me - The Community. That community has kept me in for the last couple of years, leading me to spend far too much time on the game. First in E-Uni, later in Agony Unleashed. I've skirmished, scouted, probed, written tactics, held classes and led fleets (some would say quite badly). I didn't do this because the game in itself provides a reward for it, i didn't do it for isk. I did it because i was doing it with people, and there was a community that cared. For me, that kind of effort is a personal investment that requires quite a bit of personal involvement. You could say i care. Without its community, this game would not exist in its current form. Most game developers would give an arm and a leg for a community that cared this much about their game. We have stuck with you through a lot of VERY bad calls you've made over the years. You've listened and adjusted. More importantly, you've seemed to care about us. Not so anymore. I can understand that you get ****ed off about ad hominem attacks on your employees and internal memos getting leaked. I agree, some of the stuff said about Soundwave was completely uncalled for. He's one guy working in your company and doesn't deserve this kind of flak. He seems nice too. That, however, is no excuse for you blatantly ignoring feedback from the community that makes your game. You're proud to market yourself as the "player-driven game" where the developers "have a close relationship with the community" and "player feedback is a vital part of game development". Well, without this community, your game will cease to exist in its current form, and your refusal to listen to us or your CSM is driving away your community. Without that, there will be no Eve. We don't care about the price of a bloody monocle. If you want to sell that to idiots or trolls with too much isk on their hands, go right ahead. We do care about a couple of other things though: 1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you. 2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it. This will be my last post on your forums. I've used up all my care. I'm disappointed in you, CCP. You had it all, and you threw it away for money.
JTK Fotheringham Dashavatara	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:00:00 - [2] +1 . www.dashavatara.comnull
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:01:00 - [3] Originally by: EVE: Tyrannis Trailer, May 3, 2010 Creation is so precious... and greed, so destructive. ________________
Bruno Gillest	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:05:00 - [4] Greed is good. Community is better.
Scarlet Intelis Minmatar Combined Imperial Fleet JIHADASQUAD	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:07:00 - [5] Well said mate. These are my thoughts exactly. When I was a noob I felt the same way about Eve. The mature community makes all the difference and CCP is throwing it out for short term gains . . . 8 years run into the toilet in 1.
Telvani Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:08:00 - [6] This is such a good post. Although I think a lot of rage is that over the last 2 years we have had next to no content for EVE online, we were mostly assuming it was because it was all going on incarna which would be awesome Now we have it and we realise it is ****, and only serves to test the system for WoD and earn money for CCP to fund WoD Other OP hits the mark. And at 2.5 year OP has barely seen what a real expansion from CCP looks like so don't even bother with the 'bitter vet' assault.
Defialed Concentrated Evil	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:13:00 - [7] My Dad first found EvE from a side bar advertisement. When I first joined- It was love at first sight. It was a high learning curve, a game that I couldn't "beat" in a few hours, a game that I could do anything I wanted. When I had questions for CCP, I used the petition button and got intelligent, friendly responses within a few hours. Was very impressed, as I was used to most companies just not caring about your problems. My father was also impressed, and we both started playing around Christmas of 2007. Not gonna lie, I was a RS noob, was a kid, was the only MMO I played. Jagex, the company that ran RS - removed free trade and the main 'pvp' area. I lost faith and interest in Jagex, and so I left. When I heard that CCP was going to implement AURUM VANITY ITEMS ONLY "micro" transactions, couldn't care less. But when I read the FEARLESS news letter leak, I was shocked and angry. My father was too. Just the DISCUSSION of giving an advantage to those who have MORE money then everyone else... That was offensive. I'm not unsubbing till an official response from CCP comes through with "yes, we will be selling ships/sp/items for AURUM". But I will say that I am impressed and proud of the community of EvE that cares enough to riot and burn the forums in response to this. Even through all the hate we have for eachother- Everyones against this. Not only is it the MT's, but also I WANT TO SPIN MAH SHIP. I want to drag and drop my ship into hangar... I want CQ to be optional... /my rant
tagen young Caldari The Night Witch	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:25:00 - [8] CCP seems to be ignoring the official forums at the moment and I fear they will simply dismiss all the comments as emorage. The Eve Uni website is an interesting read. The thread is over 550 replies long and the number of old friends leaving because of this makes this a very sad time for me. Glepp is correct in that the community is everything and without it eve is nothing. If you don't believe your own forums than maybe take a look. Lets face it love it or hate it the uni is not known for trolling or flaming. http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44180
Kye Do'lan Gallente Order of the Domain The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:39:00 - [9] Originally by: glepp We don't care about the price of a bloody monocle. If you want to sell that to idiots or trolls with too much isk on their hands, go right ahead. We do care about a couple of other things though: 1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you. 2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it. I'm disappointed in you, CCP. You had it all, and you threw it away for money. Have to agree with this, a well thought out post. I've been a constant player for over 8 years now without a break in subscription, and the disreguard that you now give the older community is abysmal, you will lose most of your older community if you start selling skillpoints/ships/items/ammo etc for isk, I dont give a f$*k for MT,CQ or walking in stations as it distracts from gameplay I would walk around naked if i could as a protest if CQ isnt optional. As soon as isk for skills comes into MT I'm out of here
Van Slyke	Posted - 2011.06.25 12:24:00 - [10] +1

Adriatico Teriaki	Posted - 2011.06.25 12:36:00 - [11] +1 The initial post is concise and to the point. Whats the bet CCP have already seen it and will ignore this also
Orthos Soban	Posted - 2011.06.25 13:41:00 - [12] Oh, c'mo-o-on, people. What makes me sick is that most of players think they are smart enough to keep game developers as a bunch of *****ed morons. I don't think that people who did such a great game don't know what they do. You can be sure, any idea you thinking now about eve with a 99% chance is already known by CCP for long long time. I don't know exactly what CCP goin to do with eve in future, but words like "Dear CCP, you don't know what you do." makes me only laugh. And speech forms like "Dear CCP, I'm goin out" Door bang* actually sounds like teenagers wine. Get out, CCP is not your parents, no one cares about you.
Serptimis Amarr Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.25 13:48:00 - [13] CCP seem to have spend a lot of time and effort to create in game content whose sole purpose is to enable MT's. If that effort had been spend improving the game in line with the communities suggestions, you would probably now have an MMO that would attract even greater number of customers. It is disheartening that this company doesn't think along those lines, that actually improving player experience is not a viable solution to increasing the player base and therefore profit.
JC Ferguson Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.08.01 17:56:00 - [14] I must have missed this originally. Great post (I don't agree with all of it. Stofferninjapirate deserved a LOT of flak, CSM VI is useless and self-serving and this wasn't your last post on forums, but still.)
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.08.01 18:06:00 - [15] Well said. Definitely +1. ... Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.01 18:16:00 - [16] Yup, top post, cuts through the chaff and gets to the heart of it. It looks like a whole bunch of the players who made EVE EVE just don't trust CCP any more. Sad times for lovers of virtual world/sandbox MMORPGs. EVE was the last great hope, the last refuge. Oh well, there's always "real life" ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2011.08.01 18:18:00 - [17] Originally by: glepp We do care about a couple of other things though: 1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you. 2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it. Ok. 1)(a) They did give a clear answer. Just because it wasn't the answer that you wanted doesn't change that. They said, roughly, that there are currently no plans for game affecting items in the NeX store. That is perfectly clear. It means that right now they aren't going to do it but they won't commit to never doing it so things may change. 1) (b) Listening to your community does not equate with doing what the most vocal part of that community wants. 2) The CQ is optional, uncheck the load station environment box in the graphics options and you are no longer using it. Sure you still have something different to what was there pre-Incarna but you are still not using the CQ. None of the things that you can do in the CQ can be done from the door. Wasn't the inclusion of a door also an example of "listening to your community"? If anyone is about to tell me that I missed the point or that that wasn't what was meant then you really need to communicate clearly, just as you want CCP to do.
Solosky	Posted - 2011.08.01 18:27:00 - [18] Please, stop calling $70 payments (4 plexes to buy monocle) "Microtransactions". With this kind of money you can feed whole village during a month in central Africa - it's nowhere near "micro" term. As for EVE losing community - well, 1) game improved - alot! - during last few years (good tutorials, huge amount of instructions in the internets backed by ads) and now community isn't that critical as it was 3-5 years ago and 2) everything has its end.
Atedar Kerane Silentium Mortalitas	Posted - 2011.08.01 18:28:00 - [19] Very well written. I agree with you, except for 1 thing. CCP already stated they won't do game affecting MT i.e Gold Ammo. It's a shame that the CCP Management that makes these decisions are some bureaucratic economists with no love or care for the actual game. Those are the people to blame... Problem is, they don't read the forum, they only look at their precious graphs. As long as they look good, they don't give a sh*t.
Fix Lag	Posted - 2011.08.01 18:41:00 - [20] "We are currently not planning to introduce microtransactions in Eve Online." CCP Shadow, 1 year ago. "We are currently not planning to introduce gold ammo in Eve Online." CCP Poopnugget, 1 month ago. They're full of it. Fix Lag!

raker	Posted - 2011.08.01 19:15:00 - [21] +1 Excellent post by the OP pretty much sums it up Imo
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2011.08.01 19:18:00 - [22] Great post by op and +1 from me. Originally by: Lauren Hellfury 2) The CQ is optional, uncheck the load station environment box in the graphics options and you are no longer using it. Sure you still have something different to what was there pre-Incarna but you are still not using the CQ. None of the things that you can do in the CQ can be done from the door. Wasn't the inclusion of a door also an example of "listening to your community"? You must be new here. The optional part is only temporary.
BehindDOORNEXWhore	Posted - 2011.08.01 20:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Orthos Soban I don't know exactly what CCP goin to do with eve in future, but words like "Dear CCP, you don't know what you do." makes me only laugh. And speech forms like "Dear CCP, I'm goin out" Door bang actually sounds like teenagers wine. Get out, CCP is not your parents, no one cares about you. You Sir are a Tool ... of the highest order, please complete your avatar so we may see your monocle. The point is, no one has ever paid their parents to do a parental job. +1 to the OP btw. great post.
Meryl SinGarda Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team	Posted - 2011.08.01 20:24:00 - [24] Originally by: glepp Dear CCP. I came into EVE two and a half years ago, as i figured I'd give a spaceship MMO a try. Stopped reading right here. You came into the game with the wrong idea. Fly safe, Die hard
glepp	Posted - 2011.08.01 20:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Lauren Hellfury Originally by: glepp We do care about a couple of other things though: 1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you. 2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it. Ok. 1)(a) They did give a clear answer. Just because it wasn't the answer that you wanted doesn't change that. They said, roughly, that there are currently no plans for game affecting items in the NeX store. That is perfectly clear. It means that right now they aren't going to do it but they won't commit to never doing it so things may change. 1) (b) Listening to your community does not equate with doing what the most vocal part of that community wants. 2) The CQ is optional, uncheck the load station environment box in the graphics options and you are no longer using it. Sure you still have something different to what was there pre-Incarna but you are still not using the CQ. None of the things that you can do in the CQ can be done from the door. Wasn't the inclusion of a door also an example of "listening to your community"? If anyone is about to tell me that I missed the point or that that wasn't what was meant then you really need to communicate clearly, just as you want CCP to do. Wow, someone necroed my emorage... This was posted before CCP retracted their stance on MTs, and people were ragequitting all over. Regarding 1, they did give an answer, and i understand why it couldn't be more straight, from a business point of view. I still think they're chicken about it tho. Where is the Fearlessness? I came back to the game after cancelling my accounts because of their answer to 1. I also regained enough care to post here again. Just enough. regarding 2, I still hate the door. I want to see what ship I'm in without cluttering the screen and loading my 70+ ships, and i want to double click it to access inventory. It's a vital functionality for me, since all i do is pvp. Incarna being non-optional really reduced the game functionality for me, and I'm surprised CCP want to risk that to introduce a bit of mascara and lace. Also a little disappointed if you hadn't noticed. No, I'm not crying, and yes, i did cancel my accounts over it but came back after their kow-tow to the CSM. So stop telling me to leave. I will when It's not fun anymore, but I will also make sure to tell CCP to stop sucking before i do so. Troll away.
Xavier Quo	Posted - 2011.08.01 20:44:00 - [26] Edited by: Xavier Quo on 01/08/2011 20:47:27 Edited by: Xavier Quo on 01/08/2011 20:46:46 Spend years creating the most convincing alternate reality the world has ever seen. Destroy it in one day by trying to crowbar the real world into it.
Trainwreck McGee	Posted - 2011.08.01 20:46:00 - [27] Agreed +1 I use to be such a huge CCP fanboy....but now they are just like all the rest. *cries a single tear that turns into an emo nu-vampire unicorn that whispers CCP then vanishes......
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.01 20:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Fix Lag "We are currently not planning to introduce microtransactions in Eve Online." CCP Shadow, 1 year ago. "We are currently not planning to introduce gold ammo in Eve Online." CCP Poopnugget, 1 month ago. Precisely. Why should anybody believe them now when they've provenly lied in the past? Mistrust is what happens when you are caught out lying, and lose peoples' trust. The only thing that could rescue CCP now is absolute penitence and a complete clearing of the decks to work on making EVE the best space game it could possibly be. First thing, as a sign of good faith, would be to bring back the Hangar view and make CQ an option therefrom, a button alongside "Undock", just as we saw in that presentation a few years ago. I love the potential of Incarna and WiS, and the promise of an all-in s-f space sim. But to regain trust, CCP would have to put that on the back burner for a while. Maybe bring in the varied racial CQs and that would be enough for the moment. Fix the main problems that have been bugging people for the past few years, and the many little bugs that still plague the game. You know what they are. ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Nth Ares	Posted - 2011.08.01 20:50:00 - [29] Supported. Said very well. Thank you.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me	Posted - 2011.08.01 20:56:00 - [30] Originally by: glepp This will be my last post on your forums. I've used up all my care. LOL!

Meryl SinGarda Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team	Posted - 2011.08.01 21:00:00 - [31] Oh snap, I didn't even realize that. The necro strikes again! Who is this dastardly idiot that continues to bring back threads of invalid?! Fly safe, Die hard
Slavemaster	Posted - 2011.08.01 21:14:00 - [32] ... This is getting a bit old, but my opinion as a player on and off since the beginning. As stated this was made by fans of Elite and never was planned to be a multi million company, In fact the servers was never meant to have that many players, and they did upgrade, upgrade etc.. Then.... With money comes greed, and a vision will be polluted by the dream of more, and more money. That is where we are today. When you forget who is playing this game: Its old MMO vets, or mature people. The Story goes like this: From being the most respected MMO out there, on first place for years. Now, its the joke. The same site that gave EVE its population, is now very sceptical.. CCP lost years of goodwill in days, and will take years if ever to get back on top. And if CCP still dont understand that nobody wants gold ammo, faction gain +++ To pay for with real money. - Solution is to raise the subscription 1-2 dollars. Most are over the age of 26, and playing EVE a very cheep hobby compared to any sports etc. I will never play a game that is - Pay to win- That has nothing to with that I cant afford it, but it makes me feel sick.
Digital Messiah Gallente Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.08.01 21:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Meryl SinGarda Oh snap, I didn't even realize that. The necro strikes again! Who is this dastardly idiot that continues to bring back threads of invalid?! People don't realize the work around required to simply not give any F*s. I still have my skill plan up and running. And In no way am I effected by CQ, NeX, or MT in general. Sure other people have doodads on their avatars now. But the door actually loads faster than ship spinning, I will never buy NeX items, and I'm ok with content pace so long as it actually comes. A lot of MMO's only release new content for a strict few mega nerd hardcore players. Which was fine when I was younger and could be that kind of player. Now however I enjoy the gradual pace and progress I can take to accomplish greater goals. This goes without mentioning the fact that I have years ahead of me to experience all the content left in EVE. If anything I don't want new content, I want the old tweaked and fixed proper. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"**
Jack Tremaine Caldari 2 Squadron SAAF	Posted - 2011.08.01 21:18:00 - [34] Hmm. After a year away from EVE I was fairly disgusted coming back. OP sums it up nicely. +1
Geormike Deninard	Posted - 2011.08.01 22:47:00 - [35] +1 The community lost its faith to CCP because they spent a good 18-month period to develop 1 racial room that has absolutely no good effect in gameplay apart from virtual pleasure, aka eye candy. This was a useless waste of time since EvE Online is all about gameplay, no graphics needed. Plus it introduced microtranscations, which CCP told would never come. This raises the question below: A lie is a lie. They lied for microtranscations in the past. Why can't they lie about P2W now? If CCP has lied in the past, they can lie now as well. Thats what trust is all about. An EVE Online newbie.
Cunane Jeran Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.01 22:59:00 - [36] It's the people I fly with and the community that keeps me logging in. A community that in my case has shrunk :( +1 to the OP.
Valari Nala Zena Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.08.01 23:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Fix Lag "We are currently not planning to introduce microtransactions in Eve Online." CCP Shadow, 1 year ago. "We are currently not planning to introduce gold ammo in Eve Online." CCP Poopnugget, 1 month ago. They're full of it. I don't think CCP actually lied about that. I'm sure they aren't planning it back then, they just started planning the day after the statement. As for the OP post: Well said, +1. As for incarna, i still have hopes it to get interesting once we get people and objects to interact with. This is just an introduction, nothing interesting.
Cataca	Posted - 2011.08.01 23:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Orthos Soban Oh, c'mo-o-on, people. What makes me sick is that most of players think they are smart enough to keep game developers as a bunch of *****ed morons. I don't think that people who did such a great game don't know what they do. You can be sure, any idea you thinking now about eve with a 99% chance is already known by CCP for long long time. I don't know exactly what CCP goin to do with eve in future, but words like "Dear CCP, you don't know what you do." makes me only laugh. And speech forms like "Dear CCP, I'm goin out" Door bang* actually sounds like teenagers wine. Get out, CCP is not your parents, no one cares about you. I dont get it, do you mean to say you dont trust your own intellect enough that you automatically will assume that a bunch of strangers that got a good game out are surpassing your thinking capability? I mean, you seem to think they are gods, or something bordering on it with almost precognition like abilities to see what changes work and which don't in their game. Which is good and all, till you review the recent patches where CCP has displayed the incredibly skill and empathy handling the crowd. Like a blind drunken elephant on a unicycle... in a porcelain shop... also the unicycle has a flat tire. Is this just another sarcastic post im not getting?
Diondra Reuben	Posted - 2011.08.02 00:39:00 - [39] Edited by: Diondra Reuben on 02/08/2011 00:39:21 No matter how you try to dress it, no matter how you trying the spin it, the following holds true... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_u9Ttw5w6s
Digital Messiah Gallente Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.08.02 01:05:00 - [40] Originally by: Diondra Reuben Edited by: Diondra Reuben on 02/08/2011 00:39:21 No matter how you try to dress it, no matter how you trying the spin it, the following holds true... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_u9Ttw5w6s Do the humpty humpty hump? Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"

Uuali	Posted - 2011.08.02 02:04:00 - [41] OP's message: Couldn't have said it better myself.
JAYARAMARR	Posted - 2011.08.02 03:28:00 - [42] The Play to Win issue is why I've already cancelled one account and will not be renewing my main account. After almost two years I'm ready to call it quits. I refuse to be the whipping boy for someone who's willing/able to pay lots of money for better toys than everyone else can buy within the Eve economy. Too much drive thru mentality and not enough thought into how to make the game better for everyone. I can see someone paying for lots of accounts, and then paying for mega dangerous ships so they can take over a large part of the Eve galaxy. Once that is done they can hire enough people to be able to defend that space so they can RMT/bot in peace without the rest of the Eve players interferring. Oh wait, someone has already done the first part of that. Fly Safe folks and enjoy the quiet before the Red Storm.
Max Keitt Keitt Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.08.02 03:34:00 - [43] +1 I would gladly have paid 19.95/month to keep mt out of Eve. ~+=+~ TQ Power Supplies Learning to PVP
Diondra Reuben	Posted - 2011.08.02 03:44:00 - [44] Edited by: Diondra Reuben on 02/08/2011 03:44:45 Originally by: JAYARAMARR I can see someone paying for lots of accounts, and then paying for mega dangerous ships so they can take over a large part of the Eve galaxy. Once that is done they can hire enough people to be able to defend that space so they can RMT/bot in peace without the rest of the Eve players interferring. Oh wait, someone has already done the first part of that. Am I a 10in slong rider or is this not already being done?
Tiberius Amzadee Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.02 03:56:00 - [45] Edited by: Tiberius Amzadee on 02/08/2011 03:59:27 Edited by: Tiberius Amzadee on 02/08/2011 03:58:39 +1 I hate to admit,glepp is right. I love this game so much too. The very least captains quarters and future station content should be optional and vanity items be destructable. I'm still excited about CQ but I spend most of my time in space so walking back and forth between docking and quarters can be rather tedious sometimes. The last two isk I need to let out is my wish for the vanity items to be destructable. If CCP wants to keep the spirit of the game alive,put as much risk of items bought with real money as much as ingame items bought with ISK by making them destructable. That'll shut the snobs up,give a cause for carebears to whine about,give pvpers a onhard for the hunt and still bring more income to the company. There's so much potential still left CCP,please don't throw it away.
Atropos Kahn Caldari Imminent Ruin	Posted - 2011.08.02 04:02:00 - [46] 3 points for Gryffindor!
Athena Tarsis Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.08.02 04:28:00 - [47] Wow. CCP needs to develop a giant violin shaped ship so I can fly around and play sad, sad songs for people like the OP. Good grief. --
Tun Wehsac	Posted - 2011.08.02 04:36:00 - [48] These are all minor flaws compared to crappy module icons
Garreth Vlox Minmatar Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.02 04:48:00 - [49] +1, OP covers the main issue perfectly. The downside is that hilmar is still in charge and still living in his fantasy world where the only thing that matters is what he says, and he has made it clear that the only player opinions he's interested in hearing are the ones that agree with him that "incarna is the best expansion yet". Until he is removed for the role of CEO eve will continue to slowly decline until it is back where it was 5 years ago, and the worst part is that he just doesn't care. Whether its his ego, ignorance, disconnect from the player base, or just plain old fashion stupidity, its irrelevant at this point because he has convinced himself that he alone knows whats good for a community driven game.
Lilith Nienmar	Posted - 2011.08.02 04:55:00 - [50] My 0.2 ISK to CCP, There is no communication happening here, an announcement, something?... Several months into incarna (I am all for WIS) and we have no clue as to what changes will be made to answer the uproar. Is it that hard to add a 'leave pod' button to enter CQ and leave the ship spinning screen? Is it so hard to customize what I see on my TV? (Inventory, market graphs, contracts, Fittings, Personal sheet...) I understand that after so much people *****ing about WIS, and now that you deliver it even more whining happens, it must be frustrating to you. But imagine if your players did not care? Just left the game silently... You are currently relying on the addictiveness of your game to reassure yourself that people will finish by adopting it... and, there is not much competition is there? But don't think for a minute that Eve players are your average MMORPG idiots, for even the most moronic trolls and griefers that thrive in the game would not last a week without a sharp intellect and a strong sense of independence. Maybe you want to focus the game on killing fake targets (all sorts of rats) and strolling around stations, you will have less problematic players, that's for sure, and EVE would have been great for a while. Put more fix on lag in large fleet battles (I know you already did a lot), give us more content and challenges, hell... tweak mechanics to disadvantage mega blobfests, anything to make the game as we know it a better experience, and don't give us just CQ, OPEN THE DOORS! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535011 Don't let the thread die!

Tron Flux Caldari Midnite Madness	Posted - 2011.08.02 05:37:00 - [51] I think CCP knows exactly what they've got: a huge number of people who are playing now just as they did before incarna, and a tiny number of people making noise on an Internet forum about stupid stuff that doesn't matter. If you've ever watched the kind of people that whine on forums, you would realize that this is all very predictable feedback, and none of it matters.
Toovhon	Posted - 2011.08.02 06:21:00 - [52] Hear! Hear! -- The Door!
Toovhon	Posted - 2011.08.02 07:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Tron Flux I think CCP knows exactly what they've got: a huge number of people who are playing now just as they did before incarna, and a tiny number of people making noise on an Internet forum about stupid stuff that doesn't matter. If you've ever watched the kind of people that whine on forums, you would realize that this is all very predictable feedback, and none of it matters. Smells like a CCP alt. -- The Door!
Misunderstood Genius	Posted - 2011.08.02 09:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Misunderstood Genius on 02/08/2011 09:58:04 Why do people care so much about a space game what has NO value for RL? More worst: if you care too much you will mess up and waste your RL. I just log in, turn CQ off and ignore the NeX-Store. CQ is just 1% of something what will happen in the future and NeX-Store... I don't care. If the game is not delievering the fun I have for years now I will just quit and... don't care. Simple. And now: back to work. Earning money. OUT!
Toovhon	Posted - 2011.08.02 11:59:00 - [55] Originally by: Misunderstood Genius Edited by: Misunderstood Genius on 02/08/2011 09:58:04 Why do people care so much about a space game what has NO value for RL? More worst: if you care too much you will mess up and waste your RL. I just log in, turn CQ off and ignore the NeX-Store. CQ is just 1% of something what will happen in the future and NeX-Store... I don't care. If the game is not delievering the fun I have for years now I will just quit and... don't care. Simple. And now: back to work. Earning money. OUT! Why are you playing a deep and involving MMO if you don't give a crap about it? :-D Not too bright... -- The Door!
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.02 12:52:00 - [56] I don't quite agree - I think the nub of the problem is that 'walking in stations' hasn't really been introduced yet. It looks as if it's taken CCP years to make one room!
raker	Posted - 2011.08.03 18:56:00 - [57] Originally by: Mors Magne I don't quite agree - I think the nub of the problem is that 'walking in stations' hasn't really been introduced yet. It looks as if it's taken CCP years to make one room! Imo the problem is that a vast part of the playerbase dont care about Wis I feel that most would prefere to see the bugs ironed out and new ships added to the game Its Eve, I feel most don't care what thier char looks like or whether he has the latest jeans or Monocle What they do care about is whether they can use two accounts at the same time. whether the game will crash if they have a large fleet battle and what new ships and skills are coming out I dont care if a pilot has a monocle or not, I just want to be sure the game is stable and doesnt crash when I am about to pod him :)
Mordenn G'Kar	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:00:00 - [58] Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35 Originally by: glepp Most game developers would give an arm and a leg for a community that cared this much about their game. -1 A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game. A community that considers any change of any kind to be some sort of personal attack. A community that simply has constant and unremitting nerdrage about toy spaceships. Your kind make me sick. Leave, and let those of us who welcome CCP with open arms get one with the hard work of actually playing.
Mordenn G'Kar	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:02:00 - [59] Originally by: Athena Tarsis Wow. CCP needs to develop a giant violin shaped ship so I can fly around and play sad, sad songs for people like the OP. Good grief. +1 And this. Amen.
StarGlider7 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:12:00 - [60] Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35 Originally by: glepp Most game developers would give an arm and a leg for a community that cared this much about their game. -1 A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game. A community that considers any change of any kind to be some sort of personal attack. A community that simply has constant and unremitting nerdrage about toy spaceships. Your kind make me sick. Leave, and let those of us who welcome CCP with open arms get one with the hard work of actually playing. I'm inclined to strongly disagree with your opinion on this Sir. It is precisely because the community hold this game in such high regard and see resources being put into different areas that dont enhance the game that they care about, which justifies this so called nerdrage. Still, if it makes you that sick, Im sure you know where THE DOOR is!

Mordenn G'Kar	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:16:00 - [61] Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:16:56 Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:16:24 Originally by: StarGlider7 I'm inclined to strongly disagree with your opinion on this Sir. It is precisely because the community hold this game in such high regard and see resources being put into different areas that dont enhance the game that they care about, which justifies this so called nerdrage. Still, if it makes you that sick, Im sure you know where THE DOOR is! I see your inclined to disagree, meaning you dont actually disagree at this point. Funny, nothing I have seen occur has failed to enhance my game. Probably because I like all the many pleasures of New Eden, not just missions. I also see that while you and your CCP hating ilk are allowed their opinion, anyone who voices any other must leave? Really, how quaint of you to apply such monochrome reasoning to what is in essence poisoning the game from the inside.
StarGlider7 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:35:00 - [62] Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:16:56 Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:16:24 Originally by: StarGlider7 I'm inclined to strongly disagree with your opinion on this Sir. It is precisely because the community hold this game in such high regard and see resources being put into different areas that dont enhance the game that they care about, which justifies this so called nerdrage. Still, if it makes you that sick, Im sure you know where THE DOOR is! I see your inclined to disagree, meaning you dont actually disagree at this point. Funny, nothing I have seen occur has failed to enhance my game. Probably because I like all the many pleasures of New Eden, not just missions. I also see that while you and your CCP hating ilk are allowed their opinion, anyone who voices any other must leave? Really, how quaint of you to apply such monochrome reasoning to what is in essence poisoning the game from the inside. Ok, let me be a little less diplomatic for you. I totally disagree with your point. Judging by the fact your obv new here (Try posting with your main to ensure credibility) you fail to see that the recent patch has infact reduced function in some aspects. I also disagree that not everything is Black and White, which is why I so graciously refered to your "opinion" How quaint! Finaly, I dont think their is a single player who actually hates CCP, But seeing as we're funding them, We do have a right to voice our concerns with how we feel they are performing with our money.
Toovhon	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35 Originally by: glepp Most game developers would give an arm and a leg for a community that cared this much about their game. -1 A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game. A community that considers any change of any kind to be some sort of personal attack. A community that simply has constant and unremitting nerdrage about toy spaceships. Your kind make me sick. Leave, and let those of us who welcome CCP with open arms get one with the hard work of actually playing. You're the perfect consumer - you'll willingly accept any shít, and your appetite is unending. Some of us are just a tad more discriminating. -- The Door!
Mordenn G'Kar	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:49:00 - [64] Originally by: StarGlider7 Ok, let me be a little less diplomatic for you. I totally disagree with your point. Judging by the fact your obv new here (Try posting with your main to ensure credibility) you fail to see that the recent patch has infact reduced function in some aspects. I also disagree that not everything is Black and White, which is why I so graciously refered to your "opinion" How quaint! Finaly, I dont think their is a single player who actually hates CCP, But seeing as we're funding them, We do have a right to voice our concerns with how we feel they are performing with our money. Oh I am scared of you now. You are so mean. Why do I need credibility to have an opinion? You are suggesting just because I use a brand new character just to post in forums this means my opinion is some how worth less than yours is. You disgree that not everything is black and white... I didnt state it was or was not, but if you disagree that its not, that means you agree that it is. And finally (By which of course I mean primarily, as it was what I was talking about before you decided that being cute was more relevent in this thread)... Really? You really dont think people despise CCP? Really? And, let me guess, you really dont think there are people who assume CCP owes them for "messing their game"? Please. Get a haircut get a job and stop with the acting big.
Mordenn G'Kar	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:51:00 - [65] Originally by: Toovhon Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35 Originally by: glepp Most game developers would give an arm and a leg for a community that cared this much about their game. -1 A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game. A community that considers any change of any kind to be some sort of personal attack. A community that simply has constant and unremitting nerdrage about toy spaceships. Your kind make me sick. Leave, and let those of us who welcome CCP with open arms get one with the hard work of actually playing. You're the perfect consumer - you'll willingly accept any shít, and your appetite is unending. Some of us are just a tad more discriminating. Your hypocrasy speaks volumes. Because you cant understand what Im saying, you suggest Im as blinkered and backwards as yourself.
Muad 'dib Caldari The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:56:00 - [66] +1 ccp seems to no longer be focused on keeping older players and more about attracting new ones. CCP ultimatly exists for making money and as long as that money comes in, the how isnt important. Meep Meep!
Mordenn G'Kar	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:58:00 - [67] Originally by: Muad 'dib +1 ccp seems to no longer be focused on keeping older players and more about attracting new ones. CCP ultimatly exists for making money and as long as that money comes in, the how isnt important. You should all just use his reply as a template. It would save you all from hurting your brains thinking of something original to do or say for once.
StarGlider7 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.03 20:02:00 - [68] Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar Originally by: StarGlider7 Ok, let me be a little less diplomatic for you. I totally disagree with your point. Judging by the fact your obv new here (Try posting with your main to ensure credibility) you fail to see that the recent patch has infact reduced function in some aspects. I also disagree that not everything is Black and White, which is why I so graciously refered to your "opinion" How quaint! Finaly, I dont think their is a single player who actually hates CCP, But seeing as we're funding them, We do have a right to voice our concerns with how we feel they are performing with our money. Oh I am scared of you now. You are so mean. Why do I need credibility to have an opinion? You are suggesting just because I use a brand new character just to post in forums this means my opinion is some how worth less than yours is. You disgree that not everything is black and white... I didnt state it was or was not, but if you disagree that its not, that means you agree that it is. And finally (By which of course I mean primarily, as it was what I was talking about before you decided that being cute was more relevent in this thread)... Really? You really dont think people despise CCP? Really? And, let me guess, you really dont think there are people who assume CCP owes them for "messing their game"? Please. Get a haircut get a job and stop with the acting big. Sir, first of all, No need to be scared. You need credibility because it appears your talking out of your @rse. If you care to visit the Noble Exchange store, you can purchase a monocle which will allow you to spout the same nonsense, but more fluently. Also, Im not a neckbeard, Don't need a haircut and manage to hold down a rather respectable job. Now do run along.... and as I'm no longer inclinded to treat you with any deserved respect, GTFO.
Garreth Vlox Minmatar Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.03 20:06:00 - [69] Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35 A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game. put down the crack pipe and back away from the keyboard you moron, we dont hate everything about the game, we hate that CCP spent the last 18 months telling everyone they were working on solving all the bug/glitch/lag issues we had benn yelling about for a year, only to come out with a gimped, video card melting, 10' x 10' room that added NOTHING to the game beside more lag and glitches. then when we demanded to see all the benefits of this "expansion" CCP pointed to a store where you can buy stuff no one else can see, that is stocked with stuff that costs more the the same thing in RL, and told to like it. we don't hate the game we hate CCP's total lack of respect for its player base, a feeling that was only encouraged by hilmar's leaked mail telling his people what we say doesn't matter. we hate that CCP is using incarna as nothing more than a money grab to look good to investors.
E man Industries	Posted - 2011.08.03 20:09:00 - [70] Do not normally post on these threads but...yes CCP really need to release some content for the space part of the game. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin

Muad 'dib Caldari The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.08.03 20:11:00 - [71] Originally by: E man Industries Do not normally post on these threads but...yes CCP really need to release some content for the space part of the game. bindone its all about the inside of things in space now, get with the program dude! Meep Meep!
Garreth Vlox Minmatar Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.03 20:12:00 - [72] Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar Originally by: StarGlider7 Ok, let me be a little less diplomatic for you. I totally disagree with your point. Judging by the fact your obv new here (Try posting with your main to ensure credibility) you fail to see that the recent patch has infact reduced function in some aspects. I also disagree that not everything is Black and White, which is why I so graciously refered to your "opinion" How quaint! Finaly, I dont think their is a single player who actually hates CCP, But seeing as we're funding them, We do have a right to voice our concerns with how we feel they are performing with our money. Oh I am scared of you now. You are so mean. Why do I need credibility to have an opinion? You are suggesting just because I use a brand new character just to post in forums this means my opinion is some how worth less than yours is. You disgree that not everything is black and white... I didnt state it was or was not, but if you disagree that its not, that means you agree that it is. And finally (By which of course I mean primarily, as it was what I was talking about before you decided that being cute was more relevent in this thread)... Really? You really dont think people despise CCP? Really? And, let me guess, you really dont think there are people who assume CCP owes them for "messing their game"? Please. Get a haircut get a job and stop with the acting big. Hilmar? is that you?
Speaker4 theDead Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.03 20:21:00 - [73] Originally by: Garreth Vlox Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35 A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game. put down the crack pipe and back away from the keyboard you moron, we dont hate everything about the game, we hate that CCP spent the last 18 months telling everyone they were working on solving all the bug/glitch/lag issues we had benn yelling about for a year, only to come out with a gimped, video card melting, 10' x 10' room that added NOTHING to the game beside more lag and glitches. then when we demanded to see all the benefits of this "expansion" CCP pointed to a store where you can buy stuff no one else can see, that is stocked with stuff that costs more the the same thing in RL, and told to like it. we don't hate the game we hate CCP's total lack of respect for its player base, a feeling that was only encouraged by hilmar's leaked mail telling his people what we say doesn't matter. we hate that CCP is using incarna as nothing more than a money grab to look good to investors. My thoughts exactly. ^^^^^^ Current Subscription6 Months- Canceled Account Expires09 August 2011 - 4:04 am (in 7 days)
Zarus Alexander	Posted - 2011.08.03 20:29:00 - [74] Same thread, different year. Show me something new.
NiGHTSintodreams Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.08.03 21:06:00 - [75] Originally by: glepp Dear CCP. 1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you. I'm not aware that CCp said they were going to add microtransactons for items which ocnfer an in-game benefit, so why freak out? Originally by: glepp 2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it. I fail to see how CQ can reduce enjoyment. I much prefer to lounge on my cool couch in my futuristic room instead of having the camera revolve around my floating ship. --- It's a dream paradox...
BoBoZoBo MGroup9	Posted - 2011.08.03 21:14:00 - [76] +1 ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
StarGlider7 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.03 21:24:00 - [77] Originally by: NiGHTSintodreams Originally by: glepp Dear CCP. 1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you. I'm not aware that CCp said they were going to add microtransactons for items which ocnfer an in-game benefit, so why freak out? Originally by: glepp 2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it. I fail to see how CQ can reduce enjoyment. I much prefer to lounge on my cool couch in my futuristic room instead of having the camera revolve around my floating ship. Your first point is a little contentious in as much as: CCP said there were no "plans". Which is quite ambiguous. EG: I have no plans to go fishing tommorow. ...The following day.... wow what a lovely day, I've done all my work, oh... I didn't plan too...ah hell..lets go fishing for an hour or so. Your Second Point about CQ again is moot. Spinning in ones ship actually was quite comforting and allowed(IMO)lots of witty voice banter with corpmates etc and was very functional. What we have been given is far from functional, and some of us are somewhat dissapointed and are still seeking the "wow factor" that so many claim will be the WiS element of the game.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.08.03 21:50:00 - [78] Originally by: Zarus Alexander Same thread, different year. Show me something new. This. I'm glad to hammer CCP for failing to iterate on ships, mods, and broken mechanics in general, but opening up with this "don't cry for me Argentina," stuff is getting overplayed to the point of absurdity. Yeah, it's a good community. I've been around since 2005 and i've played, largely, with the same folks in that time. Yeah, CQ is incomplete and we're seeing almost none of what they want to deliver yet. I've got nothing to gain or loose from CQ, so I care very little. Ultimately, i'd say I was far more space-mad over dominion sov, lag, and numerous other blunders than NeX/CQ issues. If i'm going to cry about something it'll be that. And don't bother with this "they took all the resources away from spaceships," argument. They clearly want to implement content via CQ and if that means some delay between the minmatar hell-hole we currently see and something useable i'm ok with that. I'd certainly rather them launch it in bits and fix it as they go than have an all-at-once "station stuff" expansion where the server is down for a couple weeks and then everything is buggy for a full six months afterward. If anyone is still holding on to the idea that CCP will "right the ship," and steer back toward a spaceship content only EVE: you should go ahead and quit. That's not the EVE that we're being promised, that's not the EVE CCP wants to deliver, and wether you like it or not they will continue on with the CQ stuff in order to realize whatever vision they'd got for EVE in a few years.
StarGlider7 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.03 22:33:00 - [79] Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis Originally by: Zarus Alexander Same thread, different year. Show me something new. This. I'm glad to hammer CCP for failing to iterate on ships, mods, and broken mechanics in general, but opening up with this "don't cry for me Argentina," stuff is getting overplayed to the point of absurdity. Yeah, it's a good community. I've been around since 2005 and i've played, largely, with the same folks in that time. Yeah, CQ is incomplete and we're seeing almost none of what they want to deliver yet. I've got nothing to gain or loose from CQ, so I care very little. Ultimately, i'd say I was far more space-mad over dominion sov, lag, and numerous other blunders than NeX/CQ issues. If i'm going to cry about something it'll be that. And don't bother with this "they took all the resources away from spaceships," argument. They clearly want to implement content via CQ and if that means some delay between the minmatar hell-hole we currently see and something useable i'm ok with that. I'd certainly rather them launch it in bits and fix it as they go than have an all-at-once "station stuff" expansion where the server is down for a couple weeks and then everything is buggy for a full six months afterward. If anyone is still holding on to the idea that CCP will "right the ship," and steer back toward a spaceship content only EVE: you should go ahead and quit. That's not the EVE that we're being promised, that's not the EVE CCP wants to deliver, and wether you like it or not they will continue on with the CQ stuff in order to realize whatever vision they'd got for EVE in a few years. You Make a very good point Sir and what really bothers me is your last paragraph. I see a mixed bag of "I want Space Content Vs. I want WiS Content" on these forums. Can you not see that what attracted you (and I) to this once fabulous Internet Spaceship Game, (and all the time that as a 2005 player) you have invested in the game is now just basically turning into something that no longer holds that same attraction? The Nex/CQ/Incarna Patch has done nothing but prove devisive and split the player base (imo) If this is CCP's gamble to bring in new players, then I hope to god those new players are attracted to space barbie and monocles and stuff. Think about the content they could have worked on to lure new players (in keeping with the game) Faction Warfare Comets Satellites (I mean man made/player owned ones that could be influencial) Wormholes Blackholes New Systems Further Exploration More Ships More PVP More PVE T3 Modules Further PI Development oh and apparently medals need looking at These are just some of the things that inspire folk to play the game and could have been used to increase/maintain a healthy revenue. I just cannot see that their current vision is going to deliver such awesome content as to appeal to a younger player base because of some fancy apparel.
Mspaine Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.08.03 22:48:00 - [80] Without the community this game is nothing. I too have discoverd quickly that this game is boring as beep without you're corp/alliance mates there to interact, and have fun with. Do you realy thing people would sit on a gatecamp for 3 hours if there was no social interaction going on in fleet or on voice comms? Chat between the players is the only thign that holds them together.

Alaura Aquila Minmatar Matari Legion Holding Matari Legion	Posted - 2011.08.03 23:38:00 - [81] Edited by: Alaura Aquila on 03/08/2011 23:38:30 Awesome, I too started 2.5 years ago and I couldn't have stated this any better. +1 (this is my 3rd account, since my first two are unsubed at the moment.) --
NiGHTSintodreams Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.08.04 00:09:00 - [82] Originally by: StarGlider7 Originally by: NiGHTSintodreams Originally by: glepp Dear CCP. 1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you. I'm not aware that CCp said they were going to add microtransactons for items which ocnfer an in-game benefit, so why freak out? Originally by: glepp 2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it. I fail to see how CQ can reduce enjoyment. I much prefer to lounge on my cool couch in my futuristic room instead of having the camera revolve around my floating ship. Your first point is a little contentious in as much as: CCP said there were no "plans". Which is quite ambiguous. EG: I have no plans to go fishing tommorow. ...The following day.... wow what a lovely day, I've done all my work, oh... I didn't plan too...ah hell..lets go fishing for an hour or so. Your Second Point about CQ again is moot. Spinning in ones ship actually was quite comforting and allowed(IMO)lots of witty voice banter with corpmates etc and was very functional. What we have been given is far from functional, and some of us are somewhat dissapointed and are still seeking the "wow factor" that so many claim will be the WiS element of the game. If CCP were to be more clear about the future of MT in game, then they run risk of upsetting the players (e.g. "But you said you wouldn't do this all the way back in 2011! Grrr, /quit"). Reality is that MT are becoming the norm for many games, and to ignore it as a possible revenue stream is a ridiculous thing for CCP to do. As to sitting in station, I don't see how sitting on a couch is any less functional than floating around the ship. I can do exactly the same things from the couch as I could before. --- It's a dream paradox...
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.04 01:36:00 - [83] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 04/08/2011 01:38:44 Quote: That, however, is no excuse for you blatantly ignoring feedback from the community that makes your game. I would even go as far as to say they are vehemently ignoring feedback. We are having an oxymoron contest, non? Further more, is an excuse even warranted? Quote: Do you realy thing people would sit on a gatecamp for 3 hours if there was no social interaction going on in fleet or on voice comms? Chat between the players is the only thign that holds them together. A real FC will mute your ass on vent for that ****. Talk after. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Tasatia Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2011.08.04 01:47:00 - [84] +1
Naradius DEATHFUNK	Posted - 2011.08.04 03:08:00 - [85] Originally by: StarGlider7 Think about the content they could have worked on to lure new players (in keeping with the game) Faction Warfare Comets Satellites (I mean man made/player owned ones that could be influencial) Wormholes Blackholes New Systems Further Exploration More Ships More PVP More PVE T3 Modules Further PI Development oh and apparently medals need looking at Actually, satellites are in game - "Control Towers", and at one time they were influential - the old 0.0 Sov system relied on them. CCP decided to do away with that system. All in all, I agree though. When CCP get back to working on neglected Spaceship stuff, maybe, just maybe, it won't be "too little, to late"...and will actually tempt back the players that they have lost over the last 18 months.
Milken Gekko	Posted - 2011.08.04 03:33:00 - [86] LOADING
Braondra	Posted - 2011.08.04 05:08:00 - [87] +1 to OP for well written and on point. It's too bad they dont accept "care" at the NeX.
Signal11th	Posted - 2011.08.04 08:19:00 - [88] Originally by: Solosky Please, stop calling $70 payments (4 plexes to buy monocle) "Microtransactions". With this kind of money you can feed whole village during a month in central Africa - it's nowhere near "micro" term. For me one that quote is one of the most "bringing you back to reality" quotes you'll ever see. For me I find it quite shocking that CCP will run "Plex for this unfortunate place, Plex for that unfortunate place" but then with the other hand charge a ridiculous amount for a pair of trousers or a space goggle. You know what you could have done is say "Yes the monocle costs 30-60 dollars but we will give 10/20/30% of that to a charity, I'm sure the reaction to them might have been a little different. For all those people who spent "real" money buying plex to by a monocle or a pair of riggers boots just to **** people off on the forums you could have actually spent that money saving someone's life. ( yes I know the same can be said about the actual EVE subscription as well) I suppose everyone can be accused of doing this myself included but that quote alone will stop me ever paying real money (not that I was ever going to pay) for "goggles/trousers" etc. The game is good, I'm still enjoying it and have no plans to leave but charging $70 or whatever it is for nothing and then when the next disaster hits some poor sod start asking for PLEX just makes something stick in the back of my throat. Don't you just love the way the world works...
Kunming Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2011.08.04 09:18:00 - [89] Consistency and steady growth is better than explosive expansive growth. The later has a high risk of exhausting resources and forcing a company to cannibalize. This is what CCP did, they went for too many projects too fast and now EVE needs to be cannibalized to stay alive. What is done is done, I just hope CCP doesnt make a trend out of it, in 1-2 years we might see some actual development on EVE again.
ma perke	Posted - 2011.08.04 10:01:00 - [90] +1 i canceled my subscription and from now on will use PLEXes only till I can afford it :)

Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2011.08.04 11:34:00 - [91] All are leaving ... Venal is empty... No one blew up my ships.... CCP Fail
VaL Iscariot Caldari The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.04 12:02:00 - [92] Originally by: Fix Lag "We are currently not planning to introduce microtransactions in Eve Online." CCP Shadow, 1 year ago. "We are currently not planning to introduce gold ammo in Eve Online." CCP Poopnugget, 1 month ago. They're full of it. +1 to this. Cheers to the OP.
Angus Mkteag	Posted - 2011.08.04 13:21:00 - [93] Edited by: Angus Mkteag on 04/08/2011 13:23:09 I'm all for microtransactions. I can't wait for em to introduce sp/gold/ammo/ships so I can fly around in my super ultra Titan blowing everything up with golden laser beams. I'm going to take over every inch of space with my fleet of mega superultimo gold ships. Then just for fun I'm going to buy three of the most expensive gold ships and fit them with gold turrets and gold ammo, pretty much gold everything then just blow em all up to spite everyone who can't have em. Seriously people? Microtransactions aren't going to ruin the game. If anything, with the money they make from mt, they could put in into improving all the other gripes the "community" has. So what if they introduce gold ships or ammo or whatever? You still need the skills to fly or use em. Even if they have the skills to do so, it'll probably cost a pretty penny to purchase said ships/ammo. Improvise, adapt and overcome. Improve your piloting skills to you can blow up those super awesome ships that you're so afraid of and watch the owner cry sweet golden tears while the ship they paid real money for is floating away as space dust. Get over yourselves, chicken little. The sky isn't falling.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.08.04 13:27:00 - [94] OP +1 Great post --------------------------------- Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : (
StarGlider7 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.04 19:18:00 - [95] Originally by: Angus Mkteag Seriously people? Microtransactions aren't going to ruin the game. If anything, with the money they make from mt, they could put in into improving all the other gripes the "community" has. So what if they introduce gold ships or ammo or whatever? You still need the skills to fly or use em. Even if they have the skills to do so, it'll probably cost a pretty penny to purchase said ships/ammo. Improvise, adapt and overcome. Improve your piloting skills to you can blow up those super awesome ships that you're so afraid of and watch the owner cry sweet golden tears while the ship they paid real money for is floating away as space dust. Get over yourselves, chicken little. The sky isn't falling. See this is where I have a slight problem. If you had spent long enough in the game to grow with it, you would realise why your comment can be seen as offensive to those who have grinded/skilled/learnt their way throuh EVE. Just to have some kid with his folks CC negate all that effort? Also your under the illusion that any money they get from MT will be ploughed back into EVE.... Ha ha ha!! Have you not heard of Dust and Vampires?
Takamori Maruyama Amarr Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.08.04 19:50:00 - [96] Im ok with the MT , when they don't interfere with the gameplay aspects, since its just apparel, is just a way to say : hey guys I have ***** attached at my forehead, look at me. And everyone gets like : oh cool... The problem when you interfere with aspects of the game, it means the company is focusing more on the marketing instead of game developing(Thanks Spumanti for giving me a good insight about the subject),thats why I won't play Diablo 3, when they announced the IRL money AH feature, hell I got mad, because its bribe on the players so they believe they are winning with this, but they don't realize thats is just a excuse to push on the cancerous business model, paying subscription + premium subscription + w/e gives me advantage. And put 0 effort on game design, they just look for a way to hook you up on the drug ie Game and then shove this BM down your throat and you will oh thank you for taking a dump in my mouth , its delicious. Being a new player to the EvE, I can say that CQ its good feature to make the game charismatic, but the NeX store with that sort of prices, just gives me view that you guys are only investing in this expansion focused on this piece of crap(NeX) to get more money from the player base, instead of working Social interaction that was SUPPOSED to be the main objective of that Exp.
Angus Mkteag	Posted - 2011.08.04 20:06:00 - [97] I have been around, since 06 to be exact, playing on and off because of some of the more annoying things like training times. I have "grown" with the game persay. I don't care how offensive it is to those who spent years training skills, hooray for them. Also, the argument that there are legions of kiddies with their parents' cc, just standing by to invade eve is ******ed. It's hysterical paranoia. Eve needs to evolve. Here's an idea, make a new server. One for those who wish to play vanilla and one for those who want microtransactions. I would hop servers in a heartbeat. I wouldn't mind if it did get invaded by all these cc weilding kiddos everyone is so afraid of. Because when they run off crying cause I just popped their pretty little expensive ship, it will make it all the sweeter. The problem isn't me not growing with eve, the problem is eve not growing with the times. But alas, as you say and I agree, eve will not change and money won't be funneled back into the game. Oh well, swtor releases soon, and eve will hit the backburner yet again.
StarGlider7 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.04 21:16:00 - [98] Angus... You might want to petition that your "Enter" button has been stolen Right kiddies... The only thing Iv'e gleaned from tonight that I found worthwhile was this... Spinning is back!! (please watch to the end!) O/
Angus Mkteag	Posted - 2011.08.04 22:55:00 - [99] Yea, I guess if I'm going to debate about first world problems I could have the decency to use it. Sorry I went all "third world".
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.05 01:00:00 - [100] Originally by: Angus Mkteag <<stuff>> The fact that you don't get that incarna/MT = less focus on the flying around bit is the biggest bother. It's too bad. One more voice for being fleeced by a game company. I've flown with Glepp since he came into the game. He's a good guy, and intelligent. Good post m8. Even if it was necro'd. o7 Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!

heyItradestuff	Posted - 2011.08.05 05:18:00 - [101] using the last of my care to post that i agree
Hoya en Marland	Posted - 2011.08.05 08:40:00 - [102] I hope CCP realizes that things started to go downhill, faster and faster, and that the spectacular fall of EVE as we know it is imminent - with this course of their actions. I do hope, but tbh... I don't believe :/
Alissa Solette	Posted - 2011.08.05 08:41:00 - [103] Edited by: Alissa Solette on 05/08/2011 08:42:57 I agree 100% with the OP. Somewhere along the way CCP just lost "it". And with "it" they also lost all my trust and goodwill. If I'm playing a game made by freaks for freaks then I'm willing to put up with a lot of crap (technical ineptitude, bugs, lag, non-existent customer support, terribad communication) because I can always think "well, they're pretty terrible in most respects but at least they have a vision and want to make a good game". Now that you've gone all Citibank on us that has changed to: "well, they're pretty terrible in most respects." It's a shame. I would have played EVE for a very long time... now I'll be gone as soon as I find some viable alternative (like getting an RL, wife and kids, a haircut... see what you're forcing me into here?) Good job CCP.
Hisomi Gallente Suicidal Trainingscamp Thukker Tribe Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.08.05 11:42:00 - [104] Originally by: Garreth Vlox Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35 A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game. put down the crack pipe and back away from the keyboard snip, we dont hate everything about the game, we hate that CCP spent the last 18 months telling everyone they were working on solving all the bug/glitch/lag issues we had benn yelling about for a year, only to come out with a gimped, video card melting, 10' x 10' room that added NOTHING to the game beside more lag and glitches. then when we demanded to see all the benefits of this "expansion" CCP pointed to a store where you can buy stuff no one else can see, that is stocked with stuff that costs more the the same thing in RL, and told to like it. we don't hate the game we hate CCP's total lack of respect for its player base, a feeling that was only encouraged by hilmar's leaked mail telling his people what we say doesn't matter. we hate that CCP is using incarna as nothing more than a money grab to look good to investors. the lag you are talking about for once isnt ccps server that is too small. its your ****ty pc that causes cq lag. dont twist facts here.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.08.05 11:45:00 - [105] Was about to say "this should've been posted a while ago". Then I looked at the OP date. Still, pretty good one. I reserve myself against the nice stuff about Soundwave tho, he's an arrogant prick (or at least his forum posts), barring that, you're spot on. -
Angus Mkteag	Posted - 2011.08.05 12:31:00 - [106] Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Originally by: Angus Mkteag <<stuff>> The fact that you don't get that incarna/MT = less focus on the flying around bit is the biggest bother. It's too bad. One more voice for being fleeced by a game company. I've flown with Glepp since he came into the game. He's a good guy, and intelligent. You're absolutely right. I don't see that because eve seems to be the same as when I started playing back in 06 and every year thereafter when I came back to see what was different. I realize there have been expansions and such but have they really been any different than incarna? Fly here, kill/mine this, reward! I dig the exploration. The salvaging, archaeology, hacking thing is cool as well. Other than those and those related to them, not much has changed. Then they bring in MT and everyone freaks. Also, they can't fleece me if I decide not to use the nex or play the game, and if I deem whatever I buy worth it, It's not getting fleeced. As I said before, they should make a MT specific server. That would solve most of the problems for those who don't want MT and those who do. It's just hilarious how many doomsayers there are predicting an end to eve if full fledged MT come to pass. Eve will continue to be around long after anything like that is put in place. It isn't going to blue screen. None of the other big name companies have, eve won't either. Now as far as being shady about communicating with members, I've played soe games since eq, that's nothing new. Do I agree with it? Hell no. But I realize that ccp is just another game company out for the almighty dollar ( or euro if the economy stays how it is). They are going to do what they think is going to make the most money and keep the majority of the people subscribing. Games change regardless of what anyone wants and it pays to be able to adapt and overcome if you like the game. If you don't there are a plethora of other ones to play. When it comes down to it, its just a game, a first world problem we can all debate about. It's not like MT in eve will starve all the little hungry kids in Ethiopia. The shady doubletalk about their plans for eve isn't going to start a mass genocide in the congo. First world problems, feel lucky to just have this to worry about.
Thornat	Posted - 2011.08.05 12:43:00 - [107] Edited by: Thornat on 05/08/2011 12:43:26 Originally by: Angus Mkteag Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Originally by: Angus Mkteag <<stuff>> The fact that you don't get that incarna/MT = less focus on the flying around bit is the biggest bother. It's too bad. One more voice for being fleeced by a game company. I've flown with Glepp since he came into the game. He's a good guy, and intelligent. You're absolutely right. I don't see that because eve seems to be the same as when I started playing back in 06 and every year thereafter when I came back to see what was different. I realize there have been expansions and such but have they really been any different than incarna? Fly here, kill/mine this, reward! I dig the exploration. The salvaging, archaeology, hacking thing is cool as well. Other than those and those related to them, not much has changed. Then they bring in MT and everyone freaks. Also, they can't fleece me if I decide not to use the nex or play the game, and if I deem whatever I buy worth it, It's not getting fleeced. As I said before, they should make a MT specific server. That would solve most of the problems for those who don't want MT and those who do. It's just hilarious how many doomsayers there are predicting an end to eve if full fledged MT come to pass. Eve will continue to be around long after anything like that is put in place. It isn't going to blue screen. None of the other big name companies have, eve won't either. Now as far as being shady about communicating with members, I've played soe games since eq, that's nothing new. Do I agree with it? Hell no. But I realize that ccp is just another game company out for the almighty dollar ( or euro if the economy stays how it is). They are going to do what they think is going to make the most money and keep the majority of the people subscribing. Games change regardless of what anyone wants and it pays to be able to adapt and overcome if you like the game. If you don't there are a plethora of other ones to play. When it comes down to it, its just a game, a first world problem we can all debate about. It's not like MT in eve will starve all the little hungry kids in Ethiopia. The shady doubletalk about their plans for eve isn't going to start a mass genocide in the congo. First world problems, feel lucky to just have this to worry about. Can I just say A-****ing-Men . I just came back from a year break and I'm partially giggling at the familiarity of the all doomsday talk and kind of disturbed at how serious somepeople are taking this expansion, and how offended they are at things like NEX for example. I mean its the same old Eve it has always been. This expansion is just another expansion, some stuff works, some doesn't. I personally think this expansion is probobly the most interesting they have had since vanila. I love the Avatars and I think its going to be awsome to walk around and actually see some characters in game. Its an MMO.. a game... you play it... if you like flying around, fly around. I spend an entire year in Jita making billions in the economic market without leaving the station, that was fun for me... thats my way of playing Eve. I just don't get the rage at all, its silly to me.
Jebel Krong Gallente Hyper-Global-Mega-Tech	Posted - 2011.08.05 13:08:00 - [108] +1 Incarna had the potential to be the best expansion since Apocrypha, which itself was probably the best expansion in years. Instead they did something weird to turrets, added a room that, while it looks vaguely cool, is utterly useless to the point where it actually removes functionality and introduced NeX. Now, don't get me wrong, I can tolerate Microtransactions in a game but the cost of the stuff being sold is beyond ridiculous, and I'm still not convinced that Pay2Win item's wont arrive at a later date. The WIS we have currently doesn't even reach the same level as the stuff we were shown years ago at fanfest and the clothing is ugly and not very appealing. I want my pilot to look good, not be encased in cheap plasticy looking biker's leathers, so for now CQ is turned off. CCP devs have my respect, the management on the other hand does not. There is an old saying in EVE; "never trust anyone." It seems we now have to apply that saying to CCP.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.08.05 13:19:00 - [109] Tbfh, until we get public spaces for interaction, say shops, corp offices and/or social interaction areas like bars and similar - Incarna has not really been released. The WiS part we have, but there's truly no content. -


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