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Xolve Amok. Goonswarm Federation 1106	Posted - 2012.09.15 01:13:00 - [61] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: So far my personal favorite idea has been a Vile Rate quote in the diplo skill book description. Not empty quoting. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator.
Somani MacLeod Secutor Corporation Per Flamma Exorior 0	Posted - 2012.09.15 01:24:00 - [62] - Quote it's a nice thought but i honestly don't really like or appreciate the idea. yes, his death was tragic, yes he was famous and somewhat important to the game for the last few years. maybe name a space station after him or add a special thank you into the credits. erecting a monument in game to him is a bit much in my mind. you're downplaying everybody else, and alot of people who play both new and old don't even know who he is or had ANY interaction with him at all.... to be honest i'm only writing this after spending a half hour googling the guy >.> if we are going to erect a monument to him then i'd request it be a universal monument to everybody, something to aim for, something someday I myself might be a part of. i.e. play the game for so many years, control a planet for this long, control a solar system? i don't know, something that would take 1+ years to achieve but that if given enough effort can be achieved by just about anybody. nobody likes feeling inferior and putting a single person on an un-obtainable pedestal posthumously, especially something as big as what you're proposing can make alot of people feel rather inferior, especially doing it in a videogame. i've never heard or seen any type of "in game" monument to a real world individual before that wasn't a simulator (like the statue of liberty in a flight simulator ) at the very least have the decency to explain it with canon storyline? write a book about vile rats exploits in game or something like that of tibus heth for example.

ISD TYPE40 ISD Community Communications Liaisons 811	Posted - 2012.09.15 01:26:00 - [63] - Quote The discussion at hand here is one of installing a permanent memorial in EVE, please stick to that topic in future - ISD Type40. EDIT: Troll posts, off topic posts and derailing posts removed. ISD Type40 Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Welsige Amok. Goonswarm Federation 90	Posted - 2012.09.15 01:52:00 - [64] - Quote Somani MacLeod wrote: if we are going to erect a monument to him then i'd request it be a universal monument to everybody, something to aim for, something someday I myself might be a part of.. I fi am to believe you really read this thread, you might now realize thats exactly what we are asking for. This tragedy is the spark, but it is aimed for the comunity as a whole. ~ 10.058 ~ Free The Mittani
Somani MacLeod Secutor Corporation Per Flamma Exorior 1	Posted - 2012.09.15 01:58:00 - [65] - Quote Welsige wrote: Somani MacLeod wrote: if we are going to erect a monument to him then i'd request it be a universal monument to everybody, something to aim for, something someday I myself might be a part of.. I fi am to believe you really read this thread, you might now realize thats exactly what we are asking for. This tragedy is the spark, but it is aimed for the comunity as a whole. i understand that is what you're seeking, sorry just want to make my opinion heard can i perhaps suggest a monument at the eve gate? instead of a gate at the other end of the galaxy. "returning to where you came" kind of thing
Vulix Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 76	Posted - 2012.09.15 02:08:00 - [66] - Quote I would suppoort this idea if it silently honored all parished capsuleers and not just one guy. There have been plenty of great people who have played this game and passed; although VR's death was tragic, it would be **** to ignore everyone else we have played with in the past
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 425	Posted - 2012.09.15 02:17:00 - [67] - Quote Vulix wrote: I would suppoort this idea if it silently honored all parished capsuleers and not just one guy. There have been plenty of great people who have played this game and passed; although VR's death was tragic, it would be ** to ignore everyone else we have played with in the past The idea is not for this to be a "Vile Rat" memorial, but to be a memorial to all those who have passed on. It could either be anonymous, it's existence a tribute to everyone who may have passed on from the game; or, it could list the names of all those who have passed on (although this would be hard to verify for CCP and probably more effort/time than it is worth; for example, Facebook requires death certificates and what not to close a deceased person's Facebook). Edit: Also, people have been mentioning or questioning "why does Vile Rat deserve a memorial?" and the simple fact is that a) he has had a major hand in creating the nullsec political landscape you now see today and b) he was a member of the CSM6 and was an excellent (and elected) player representative and c) sadly, he was pulled from our community before his time due to senseless violence: a very different and (arguably) more tragic departure than a player passing away in a more (at the risk of sounding unsympathetic) usual fashion. Sa souvraya niende misain ye.**
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2396	Posted - 2012.09.15 02:21:00 - [68] - Quote A ring of fire for all the dearly departed. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
R0me0 Charl1e Easy A Industries 38	Posted - 2012.09.15 02:44:00 - [69] - Quote I totally support this proposal. A place in EVE where you can go and pay your respects to the people that we lost, it's a great idea.
Somani MacLeod Secutor Corporation Per Flamma Exorior 1	Posted - 2012.09.15 02:53:00 - [70] - Quote Vordak Kallager wrote: Vulix wrote: I would suppoort this idea if it silently honored all parished capsuleers and not just one guy. There have been plenty of great people who have played this game and passed; although VR's death was tragic, it would be ** to ignore everyone else we have played with in the past The idea is not for this to be a "Vile Rat" memorial, but to be a memorial to all those who have passed on. It could either be anonymous, it's existence a tribute to everyone who may have passed on from the game**; or, it could list the names of all those who have passed on (although this would be hard to verify for CCP and probably more effort/time than it is worth; for example, Facebook requires death certificates and what not to close a deceased person's Facebook). Edit: Also, people have been mentioning or questioning "why does Vile Rat deserve a memorial?" and the simple fact is that a) he has had a major hand in creating the nullsec political landscape you now see today and b) he was a member of the CSM6 and was an excellent (and elected) player representative and c) sadly, he was pulled from our community before his time due to senseless violence: a very different and (arguably) more tragic departure than a player passing away in a more (at the risk of sounding unsympathetic) usual fashion. i like the anonymous approach, and it would make great sense to erect a monument in new eden, perhaps a starbase with NO SERVICES? infact, make you not able to do anything other then dock/undock? no fitting changes no ship switching, nothing. and when you "dock" you automaticly go to captain's quarters, only it's not the quarters we're used to, it's a big windowed area, with maybe a few benches/sitting areas along the edge, and a monument in the middle with a large window behind it looking out onto the eve gate. the returning to your ship/undocking you don't even see your ship like normal, you see an elevator/esculator that takes you to the "parking lot" (which you don't actually see because you undock ) maybe add in a guest book or something similiar, clicking on it writes your name in the book, kind of like how people who go to new eden now leave a small jetison can in the system somewhere?
gulftobay Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 104	Posted - 2012.09.15 03:18:00 - [71] - Quote Somani MacLeod wrote: i like the anonymous approach, and it would make great sense to erect a monument in new eden (given the history of the place and the pilgrimages people already make)(also as a sort of "returning to where you came," kind of thing ), perhaps a starbase with NO SERVICES? infact, make you not able to do anything other then dock/undock? no fitting changes no ship switching, nothing. and when you "dock" you automaticly go to captain's quarters, only it's not the quarters we're used to, it's a big windowed area, with maybe a few benches/sitting areas along the edge, and a monument in the middle with a large window behind it looking out onto the eve gate. the returning to your ship/undocking you don't even see your ship like normal, you see an elevator/esculator that takes you to the "parking lot" (which you don't actually see because you undock ) maybe add in a guest book or something similiar, clicking on it writes your name in the book, kind of like how people who go to new eden now leave a small jetison can in the system somewhere? Some good ideas here. I'm not sure of a ring of fire, monument or cemetary - they all seem so cold.
Somani MacLeod Secutor Corporation Per Flamma Exorior 3	Posted - 2012.09.15 03:30:00 - [72] - Quote gulftobay wrote: Somani MacLeod wrote: i like the anonymous approach, and it would make great sense to erect a monument in new eden (given the history of the place and the pilgrimages people already make)(also as a sort of "returning to where you came," kind of thing ), perhaps a starbase with NO SERVICES? infact, make you not able to do anything other then dock/undock? no fitting changes no ship switching, nothing. and when you "dock" you automaticly go to captain's quarters, only it's not the quarters we're used to, it's a big windowed area, with maybe a few benches/sitting areas along the edge, and a monument in the middle with a large window behind it looking out onto the eve gate. the returning to your ship/undocking you don't even see your ship like normal, you see an elevator/esculator that takes you to the "parking lot" (which you don't actually see because you undock ) maybe add in a guest book or something similiar, clicking on it writes your name in the book, kind of like how people who go to new eden now leave a small jetison can in the system somewhere? Some good ideas here. I'm not sure of a ring of fire, monument or cemetary - they all seem so cold. a monument inside an SB can have warm tone colors? like white and warm reds? with light metalic grey floor plating, think of it almost like a airport terminal i guess? a really fancy brand new terminal with a dedication or statue in the middle near the back, and a huge window that takes up an entire side from ceiling to floor, that looks onto space the eve gate glowing in the backround i can see it now! :D if only i had any artistic skill what so ever i'd draw you a picture =/ i have no idea what the monument should/could look like thought >.>; my imagination hasn't gotten that far yet
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2397	Posted - 2012.09.15 03:36:00 - [73] - Quote I think a system that is pitch black except for a white light in the distance the visiters can fly towards would make for an interesting and a wee bit creepy general memorial. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
gulftobay Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 104	Posted - 2012.09.15 03:44:00 - [74] - Quote Somani MacLeod wrote: a monument inside an SB can have warm tone colors? like white and warm reds? with light metalic grey floor plating, think of it almost like a airport terminal i guess? a really fancy brand new terminal with a dedication or statue in the middle near the back, and a huge window that takes up an entire side from ceiling to floor, that looks onto space the eve gate glowing in the backround i can see it now! :D if only i had any artistic skill what so ever i'd draw you a picture =/ i have no idea what the monument should/could look like thought >.>; my imagination hasn't gotten that far yet As a starting point for discussion regarding interior/tones etc, perhaps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yq0rAWdHvo#t=8m45s could serve as inspiration as originally suggested by Sephira Galamore in another thread. Holograms and pilot names not necessarily included in the idea.
Asian ConanObrien State War Academy Caldari State 8	Posted - 2012.09.15 04:31:00 - [75] - Quote I still think they need to re-write the description of the Diplomacy skillbook for him. That to me seems the most fitting a memorial for Him.
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2399	Posted - 2012.09.15 04:35:00 - [76] - Quote Asian ConanObrien wrote: I still think they need to re-write the description of the Diplomacy skillbook for him. That to me seems the most fitting a memorial for Him. Maybe but what would they write? It would have to be something about actual diplomacy and not just some memorial caption. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
Asian ConanObrien State War Academy Caldari State 9	Posted - 2012.09.15 05:05:00 - [77] - Quote Paul Oliver wrote: Asian ConanObrien wrote: I still think they need to re-write the description of the Diplomacy skillbook for him. That to me seems the most fitting a memorial for Him. Maybe but what would they write? It would have to be something about actual diplomacy, perhaps an out of game yet applicable to the game quote, and not just some memorial caption. Something about the fact that this skillbook contains the techniques championed by New Edens greatest diplomat.
Denarus Arran ANZAC ALLIANCE Executive Outcomes 4	Posted - 2012.09.15 13:06:00 - [78] - Quote I think the player made memorials that have been seen in game, in the media and IRL are greater than anything the devs can put in the game. I never met Vile Rat but I know the Goons that I fly with loved that guy and won't forget him anytime soon. Just my two cents. PEWPEWPEW
Rixx Javix The Tuskers 130	Posted - 2012.09.15 14:18:00 - [79] - Quote The easier we make the suggestion the more likely it will be considered. While the player created events and tributes are incredible and worthy, this suggestion fits within the in-game lore and creates a general memorial for ALL lost Capsuleers. Inspired by VR, but not just about one player. The Eve Gate already exists in-game, so it seemed like a natural to find the opposite in space. If the Eve Gate is the faucet of our Universe, then the Ring of Fire is the drain. A massive black hole halo'd by the light of a dying Star symbolizes death and the mystery of the great beyond. As I said before, I'd support any memorial. But this idea seems to capture all the elements needed for serious consideration from CCP. Thanks to everyone who is supporting and commenting. http://eveoganda.blogspot.com
Bloodpetal Mimidae Risk Solutions 850	Posted - 2012.09.15 14:26:00 - [80] - Quote The EVE gate used to have a memorial graveyard of people that flew there and anchored containers with peoples names/RIP xyz, etc, etc. and plenty of "I was here" - leading towards the EVE Gate phenomenon, 100,000s of kilometers in that direction. It was actually very touching to go there and experience that. Unfortunately since they made it so that containers expire in 30 days from anchoring if not interacted with, they disappeared. I would recommend that if you want to do something like this, set a system in which containers do not expire and let people anchor and create containers like that and label them. This would take an administrative burden off of CCP and allow for a Memorial solar system so to speak. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting
Mark726 Project Compass Holdings 72	Posted - 2012.09.15 18:02:00 - [81] - Quote A memorial for fallen capsuleers? You can definitely count me in on this idea. Author, [url]http://evetravel.wordpress.com/[/url] Author, [url]http://freebooted.blogspot.com/p/fiction.html[/url]
Dahren Caspo Repo. 4	Posted - 2012.09.15 18:23:00 - [82] - Quote I fully support this! Recruitment open: repo-corp.net I support: Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis How I feel every morning after I wake up.
Somani MacLeod Secutor Corporation Per Flamma Exorior 3	Posted - 2012.09.15 20:44:00 - [83] - Quote i think people are still losing the point that this is not for just vile rat, it's for everybody who's played and died/came and went.
Rixx Javix The Tuskers 136	Posted - 2012.09.15 21:24:00 - [84] - Quote Most memorials come about because of the passion of friends or family of someone who has perished in a war or event of some magnitude. And while their personal passion drives them to governments for support, usually in great numbers, it can often be a difficult path. There are many memorials in Washington DC, for example, that would not exist if it had not been for the courage and dedication of individuals that refused to give up. I suspect the same is true around the world. And while this memorial, like many around the world, is not solely for ONE person, it is because of what has happened that we petition for a lasting memorial within New Eden for ALL those players that cannot be cloned and will never return. Sean is certainly the inspiration. http://eveoganda.blogspot.com
Tanaka Aiko ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation 110	Posted - 2012.09.15 23:08:00 - [85] - Quote I like the idea, it fits well on the lore, and as CCP like to say : EVE is real... it's a good way to make this statement true.
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2012.09.16 00:01:00 - [86] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: If you make a place to celebrate someone or a group of people, there will be people who go there to desecrate it. Either via can art or other actions like shooting it and even camping the system to kill those who go to visit. I wish I could honestly say something like that would never happen, but I'm a realist and this is EVE. Maybe if such a place could be visited via the same mechanic for the ship viewer then it would be good. I just don't want to present an opportunity for jerks to go for the low blow. So far my personal favorite idea has been a Vile Rate quote in the diplo skill book description. Just make it a 1.0 system - no anchoring allowed. They can drop cans all they want - the graffiti will auto clean up. Only so many skill books around. This gives everyone a chance to be immortalized.
Vespiidius Ceptic Innovations 1	Posted - 2012.09.16 01:43:00 - [87] - Quote I had never played another MMO before Eve and one of my first memories was of players paying tribute to another player who had passed. I stopped and thought, wow, this is something special. To have people invest so much in their virtual world that ripples and tides from the real world affect to profoundly, makes it someplace wonderful. This is a great idea. I hope that CCP can make this happen.
ctx2007 Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you 130	Posted - 2012.09.16 08:48:00 - [88] - Quote When I first started playing EVE back in 2007, I was mining in a belt in minatar space, there was a shuttle and it had been left by an EVE player's husband as a tribute to his wife because she loved the game but had died of cancer. I cant remember the details because it was so long ago.
TriadSte IronPig Sev3rance 107	Posted - 2012.09.16 09:05:00 - [89] - Quote I'm wondering if as much as a nice thought as this is, why has this not happened for others that passed away? There have been many many people pass away but non got this kind of recognition. I believe that is unfair.
PRO CYLON The Logs Show Nothing 0	Posted - 2012.09.16 09:24:00 - [90] - Quote I too think a Memorial of some kind is a fitting thing to do for those who have past and contributed to the game. I remember a guy called Lenny Juice who I think would be worthy of being included in the 'List of the Fallen' Reference here .... http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=705684 Perhaps a decision of who to be included could be made by CSM or a minimum number of ballot votes, etc. I always remember the haunting scene where a dwarf ( Rousch ) salutes a memorial in a scenic spot in the game WoW ; http://www.wowhead.com/npc=16090/rousch 'Rousch was Tony's main, and when Tony died he was somewhere in the mid 40's. Since that was Tony's first ever character, he was hardly one of the first to try a dwarf. I was touched to see that some of Tony's friends at Blizzard went to the trouble of arranging the memorial in the game to him. It was added in a patch a few months after his death. He was a kind, cheerful guy, who was always ready to help out someone in need. We all miss him. ' Something along these lines might be appropriate.

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