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Marvin Narville
Evil .inc WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:19:00 -
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Ellente Fervens wrote:Cause VR was the first Eve player to be killed. Or did he just happen to be a prominent one?
This only encourages martyrs.
This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events. Not supported. Please do not go geo-political in Eve CCP.
Lol. I somehow doubt people would start offing themselves left and right in real life to get their names on a memorial in an online game.
Aside from that, it seems ideas like this pop up when someone prominent dies, or something happens to someone who is well known, I do agree with that. To me, this underscores a pretty cold blooded side of the entire thing, if someone dies and you never knew them, does it have any impact upon you whatsoever? I can say without a doubt, it does not, and the sole exception here is a case where they were famous, otherwise you'd never even know they died to begin with :) So to memorialize something which doesn't merit remembering on an individual level is more akin to patronizing then memorializing, my own two cents :) I'm sorry if that seems harsh, but i've seen plenty of actual death, up close and personal. Operative word here being personal, I think death is tragic undoubtedly, but I also believe it should be a personal and intimate thing, not something to be exploited for increased corporate recognition, or for additional "roleplay opportunities" in an mmorpg.
People who actually knew Vile Rat, yes I can imagine they'd be upset by this somewhat. To those who did not, I imagine it has had very little in the way of real or meaningful impact, they don't brush their teeth differently as a result of some overwhelming devastation they feel at the loss of someone they never knew.
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Loed Kane
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:25:00 -
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i support this idea and i hope it happens! to all the people bitching, if it was not a goon you would not care. |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:33:00 -
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I still think this is a great idea. A massive ring of flame in space as a star is slowly devoured by a black hole. Perhaps with a nearby beacon with a simple, heartfelt epitaph. |
lord xavier
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.07 01:25:00 -
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Ellente Fervens wrote:Cause VR was the first Eve player to be killed. Or did he just happen to be a prominent one? This only encourages martyrs. This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events. Not supported. Please do not go geo-political in Eve CCP.
I can tell you, from the bottom of my heart, Sean Smith was not the first EvE player to die overseas in a combat environment. I can tell you however that Vile Rat's impact on EvE Online's community itself has been very noticeable compared to others. Irregardless however, a loss of life to violence is sad and always will be. Across EvE all players whether they were with Goonswarm, friends, allies or enemies of goonswarm. Even the people who are like "Who the **** is Goonswarm?" at one point since the day, put their heads down in prayer and/or thought for his family, friends and all those who were close to him.
Being prominent got it out there more. When I heard of the incident was at work. I was put on standby to go to Libya at that point as part of a mission package. At this point I had been highly inactive in the game. I have a paper somewhere I picked up at a shoppette on my way to work next day that blew my mind. It was about the attack on the embassy and showed a picture of Sean Smith and talked about his involvement in EvE Online. I immediatly, once I got to work, got onto the -A- facebook. Mid war with Goonswarm and test still, Most members of -A- gave their heartfilled "RIP" and "thoughts with his family." Only one person did I see say anything bad, and he was promptly kicked from the Alliance and banned from all the corporations inside of SoCo.
Just because you are on opposing sides, or whether you are known or not known. The sadness is still there. The online-persona you are fighting against, still has a real person behind it. With people who care about them. Those who couldn't put on online game behind them, are no better then the -A- member who got blacklisted by everyone who saw or heard about what he said. He could not put it past him either.
My personal feelings towards Vile Rat are different then they are towards Sean Smith. However, my heart hung low due to the fact there was one (four in total of topic at hand) more American not making that trip home, that so many of my comrades, friends, co-workers and family have missed as well. At the end of the day, we were both human and he gave a sacrifice to his country that only a few people would ever have the courage to do by selecting a job with that kind of a position of safety. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
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Posted - 2013.01.07 01:38:00 -
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Then they'd be obligated to do things for other people, and it would quickly get out of hand.
Not that they don't care, just, a lot of people die. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.07 03:01:00 -
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CCP has in the past done a tribute to honor a fallen Capsuleer, such as : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=15863
I think having a Memorial set up to honor all fallen Capsuleers (past, present and future) is excellent. It doesn't need any specific Names, Race, Gender, Corp, Alliance or Faction implications. This idea has been brought up a few times in the past and will more than likely be brought up again.
+1 LIKE for the OP.
DMC |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
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Posted - 2013.01.07 08:24:00 -
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I vote for a memorial of whatever form it will take. You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2013.01.07 08:33:00 -
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Rixx Javix wrote:Originally posted on Eveoganda: NEW: Ring of Fire Video 2 Featuring music by Aiden Mourn UPDATE: The Ring of Fire Video Share the link! The Eve community has responded amazingly well to this week's horrible tragedy. I have honestly never been prouder of my own association with Eve Online, CCP and my fellow pilots. What happened in Libya is nothing short of horrible and tragic and pointless violence. But, whatever the real world implications may be, we all have a virtual universe to live in. So, what now? There have already been calls to memorialize VR in-game and I wholeheartedly support those calls. The ideas have varied from a perma-cyno in Jita to a Titan wreck in a meaningful zero space system. Again, these are all good ideas. And I would support them. But, I wonder. With a global player-base and around half-a-million players, the tragedy of this week seems almost inevitable. Something like this had to happen eventually. And as Eve continues to get longer in the tooth, such a tragedy is invariably going to happen again. And again. And again. This is in no way intended to take away from what happened this week, but it will happen again. For those of you young enough not to notice, we are all going to die someday. What I'm driving at here is nothing short of a permanent massive memorial to the fallen in-game. Something that fits within the context of Eve, the universe, lore, and conventional mechanics. If Capsuleers are the Gods of New Eden, then I think they deserve a God-like Memorial of significance. We humans, and I suspect Capsuleers as well, have historically erected large scale memorial systems to honor those that have passed away before us. I suspect that the future will not be all that different. Especially when it is an immortal Capsuleer that has passed into the great mystery. To my mind, nothing symbolizes the "great mystery" in New Eden more than the Eve Gate. It is where our ancestors came from and beyond which is nothing more than the great unknown. What I am suggesting is the creation of the opposite. A Great Ring of Fire on the opposite end of the universe from the Eve Gate. A black hole devouring a star that symbolizes the place where we go after death. The great beyond. A place where the mechanic exists to immortalize those Capsuleers that have left us forever. Not those that un-sub never to return, but those that have tied their lives to our universe and that we know have left real life as well. A hall of heroes if you will, a Hall of Fame, a grand memorial to the fallen. Sean's passing has, I suspect, left us all feeling a little mortal this week. I know it has made me feel the years pilling on. Perhaps this is one way to give something special back to Sean and the others that will eventually take his side, on the other side. Inspired by Sean, but something for all of us. It is only another suggestion. As I said before, I'd support any memorial that happens in his honor. As always, I tend to think things through to their logical conclusion and how it impacts the game in the bigger picture. Maybe now is not the time. But, then again, maybe now is the perfect time. Your thoughts?
I'd disagree on putting a memorial up for a single specific player...
VR has been a well-publicized player death, but i have to play the devil's advocate here: Is his death, in relation to EVE, more important than the deaths of other lesser known players in the past? One should look past out of game nationalism here.
Beyond that, your idea of a general monument is not a bad one. I'd just go for the simple route: A 'memorial wall' in Yulai for example (technically the home of the capsuleer in lore), where the playes that have passed on can be honored in an ingame manner. |
psycho freak
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:22:00 -
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Like others i dont think it right for memorial to one player when many eve players have died one way or another
a momorial to all decised players would be nice somthing unique in the game tho and somthing ppl can go vist like they do eve gate
maybe open one of the jovian system but all that be in it is a sun and masses and masses of jovian ship wrecks a jovian ship graveyard from some anciant battle
Would be a nice tick on the exploration tick list like eve gate and first titan wreck and the many others my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k
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Rixx Javix
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:27:00 -
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It does help to read.
The Ring of Fire concept is not about one player as has been explained through-out this thread. While one player's public connection to Eve and our community was certainly the "catalyst" for this idea, it is in no way specific to one player and is meant to represent all of those players that are no longer with us now, and in the future.
I continue to believe, especially as Eve moves into its second decade, that such a memorial becomes increasingly important and meaningful.
As always thanks for everyone's support. Keep the courage. http://eveoganda.blogspot.com |
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Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:32:00 -
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At first thought, this sounds like a decent idea, but to avoid serious PR backlash, it'd have to be kept totally anonymous and apolitical. You start putting names on things, and...well, here's a few examples.
Grandpa Yamada Tar+ì deserves to be on the memorial. He courageously fought American oppressors in WW2, and played EVE in his last days.
Uncle Nguyß+àn Sinh deserves to be on the memorial. He was a valiant fighter with the Viet Cong, and played EVE every day until the car accident.
Brother Ameer Abdiqani, prominent EVE PVPer, until he died under mysterious circumstances in the hands of American captors
Keep it simple, keep it apolitical, and make it inclusive of ALL EVE players who've passed on.
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Juno Valerii
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:41:00 -
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This is a great idea that I fully support in whatever form CCP would implement it in. EVE is unlike any other game out there, both in its longevity and in the community that supports it. Such a monument would be a good sign that the powers that be recognize the bond between all of us, regardless of other real life mitigating factors (race, creed, nationality, etc...) |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
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Posted - 2013.01.07 12:38:00 -
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Rixx Javix wrote:It does help to read.
The Ring of Fire concept is not about one player as has been explained through-out this thread. While one player's public connection to Eve and our community was certainly the "catalyst" for this idea, it is in no way specific to one player and is meant to represent all of those players that are no longer with us now, and in the future.
I continue to believe, especially as Eve moves into its second decade, that such a memorial becomes increasingly important and meaningful.
As always thanks for everyone's support. Keep the courage.
A neutral monument to all lost players would be great.
The trick would be in the location - making it somewhere every capsuleer could reasonably get to regardless of alliance, standings or sec status. |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:47:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote: Maybe it would be best not to actually list names but make it a general memorial.
in the style of "The tomb of the unknown soldier"?.
fitting for those who don't know the folks and a reminder for those of us who do, however with the capsuleer lore of being immortal, there would have to be some other immersive aspect of the back-story in the thing.
I have seen tales of capsuleers going "planetside" never to return to space, I have seen messages of accidents at the cloning facility where the pilot was lost never to return, but to live on as a part of all of us through the bio-recycling process, surely there would have to be some aspect of the EvE story in the mix otherwise it ends up just being another object in space. In the Clear Skies series, John goes to a memorial wall and talks to his friend, (i won't elaborate on that so as not to spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet) so maybe like we see on the Concord billboards a slideshow of the characters similar to a headstone? this would be difficult in that it would require CCP's knowledge of who had passed vs who had simply unsubbed but it would highlight those who have gone before us. maybe even a wall of displays cycling through portraits on each one?
Something simpler? Maybe a huge monolith with an inscription on it. Something like:
"In memory of those before us"
"Never again to be seen"
"Never again to be heard"
"and"
" Never to be forgotten"
I know that's a little cheezy, but it's a starting point.
o/ Celly Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:53:00 -
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This isn't a thing yet? Come on CCP. Make it so!
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:43:00 -
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Players have done their own fitting memorial in game and out for those who are gone. I honestly don't think CCP needs to make one. Even if they do it would need to be extremely general and not single someone out. Also it it would need to prohibit anchoring cans anywhere on grid or maybe even in system. So people could not try to 'claim' such a monument as 'theirs or a specific persons' and when anyone tried to clear the cans the forums would explode declaring they had committed a hate crime and be perma banned.
It just opens up a can of worms that we don't need to be opened.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.07 22:23:00 -
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Might be a good ISK sink to be able to buy an in-game memorial (for maybe 20B or perhaps a little more) of some sort. I wouldn't want too many CCP resources devoted to this project though. |
Rixx Javix
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:05:00 -
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This is still important and stil on the minds of the public and the Eve community.
If you missed it, this recent article is proof. ( Warning, this is NSFW) http://eveoganda.blogspot.com |
Kirin Tao
YA SQUAD S2N Citizens
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:44:00 -
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I support this for sure. Honestly I think having a system that and an eternal cyno with a unique description that could be warped to. |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2013.04.03 15:57:00 -
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"We are immortals who cannot live forever."
Once again reiterating my support of a general monument to those EVE players who have died.
Perhaps another pipe like the New Eden one, but below the galactic plane rather than above - and just one system a long gatejump away. GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave |
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