I'm getting sick of seeing these threads so from now on I will start trolling them

I'm getting sick of seeing these threads so from now on I will start trolling them

Originally posted on Eveoganda:

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What I am suggesting is the creation of the opposite. A Great Ring of Fire on the opposite end of the universe from the Eve Gate. A dark hole that symbolizes the place where we go after death. The great beyond.

A place where the mechanic exists to immortalize those Capsuleers of distinction that have left us forever. Not those that un-sub never to return, but those that have tied their lives in a significant way to our universe and that we know have left real life as well. A hall of heroes if you will, a Hall of Fame, a grand memorial to the fallen.

I suggest inclusion in such a memorial would require action from the elected body of the CSM with final approval given by CCP. The details seem easy enough to imagine.

~snip~

Or you could not be a **** and just stop reading them

I'm getting sick of seeing these threads so from now on I will start trolling them

Make no mistake. A community member passed away and i have zero tolerance for anyone that steps over the line in such threads.

Make no mistake. A community member passed away and i have zero tolerance for anyone that steps over the line in such threads.

Why so much special treatment?
Will we all receive this?

Why so much special treatment?
Will we all receive this?

I was meaning, would we get protection from people being rude to us from CCP.

You obviously don't know me very well... I have nothing better to do and nowhere else to be

The graphic over on my blog is supposed to represent a black hole devouring a star, hence the "ring of fire" surrounding it. Just fyi. Sorry, couldn't post graphics with the post here.

Make no mistake. A community member passed away and i have zero tolerance for anyone that steps over the line in such threads.

I have seen quite a few dead in RL threads and all of them had things like "did he drop any good loot" in them. Did we not have ISD's back then or is this particular death somehow more relevant?

I have seen quite a few dead in RL threads and all of them had things like "did he drop any good loot" in them. Did we not have ISD's back then or is this particular death somehow more relevant?


Just curious.




Me. I think that someone inside of an embassy in Libya playing large quantities of EVE online (a public arena with unregulated-unmonitored chatrooms through which any kind of information can be exchanged) constitutes a potential national security risk. Also just saying.

Originally posted on Eveoganda:


The Eve community has responded amazingly well to this week's horrible tragedy. I have honestly never been prouder of my own association with Eve Online, CCP and my fellow pilots. What happened in Libya is nothing short of horrible and tragic and pointless violence. But, whatever the real world implications may be, we all have a virtual universe to live in.

So, what now?

There have already been calls to memorialize VR in-game and I wholeheartedly support those calls. The ideas have varied from a perma-cyno in Jita to a Titan wreck in a meaningful zero space system. Again, these are all good ideas. And I would support them. But, I wonder.

With a global player-base and around half-a-million players, the tragedy of this week seems almost inevitable. Something like this had to happen eventually. And as Eve continues to get longer in the tooth, such a tragedy is invariably going to happen again. And again. And again. This is in no way intended to take away from what happened this week, but it will happen again. For those of you young enough not to notice, we are all going to die someday.

What I'm driving at here is nothing short of a permanent massive memorial to the fallen in-game. Something that fits within the context of Eve, the universe, lore, and conventional mechanics. If Capsuleers are the Gods of New Eden, then I think they deserve a God-like Memorial of significance. We humans, and I suspect Capsuleers as well, have historically erected large scale memorial systems to honor those that have passed away before us. I suspect that the future will not be all that different. Especially when it is an immortal Capsuleer that has passed into the great mystery.

To my mind, nothing symbolizes the "great mystery" in New Eden more than the Eve Gate. It is where our ancestors came from and beyond which is nothing more than the great unknown.

What I am suggesting is the creation of the opposite. A Great Ring of Fire on the opposite end of the universe from the Eve Gate. A dark hole that symbolizes the place where we go after death. The great beyond.

A place where the mechanic exists to immortalize those Capsuleers of distinction that have left us forever. Not those that un-sub never to return, but those that have tied their lives in a significant way to our universe and that we know have left real life as well. A hall of heroes if you will, a Hall of Fame, a grand memorial to the fallen.

I suggest inclusion in such a memorial would require action from the elected body of the CSM with final approval given by CCP. The details seem easy enough to imagine.

Sean's passing has, I suspect, left us all feeling a little mortal this week. I know it has made me feel the years pilling on. Perhaps this is one way to give something special back to Sean and the others that will eventually take his side, on the other side.

It is only another suggestion. As I said before, I'd support any memorial that happens in his honor. As always, I tend to think things through to their logical conclusion and how it impacts the game in the bigger picture.

Maybe now is not the time. But, then again, maybe now is the perfect time.

Your thoughts?

Careful, your ignorance is showing.

So far my personal favorite idea has been a Vile Rate quote in the diplo skill book description.

if we are going to erect a monument to him then i'd request it be a universal monument to everybody, something to aim for, something someday I myself might be a part of..

I fi am to believe you really read this thread, you might now realize thats exactly what we are asking for.

This tragedy is the spark, but it is aimed for the comunity as a whole.

I would suppoort this idea if it silently honored all parished capsuleers and not just one guy. There have been plenty of great people who have played this game and passed; although VR's death was tragic, it would be **** to ignore everyone else we have played with in the past

The idea is not for this to be a "Vile Rat" memorial, but to be a memorial to all those who have passed on. It could either be anonymous, it's existence a tribute to everyone who may have passed on from the game; or, it could list the names of all those who have passed on (although this would be hard to verify for CCP and probably more effort/time than it is worth; for example, Facebook requires death certificates and what not to close a deceased person's Facebook).

Edit: Also, people have been mentioning or questioning "why does Vile Rat deserve a memorial?" and the simple fact is that a) he has had a major hand in creating the nullsec political landscape you now see today and b) he was a member of the CSM6 and was an excellent (and elected) player representative and c) sadly, he was pulled from our community before his time due to senseless violence: a very different and (arguably) more tragic departure than a player passing away in a more (at the risk of sounding unsympathetic) usual fashion.

i like the anonymous approach, and it would make great sense to erect a monument in new eden (given the history of the place and the pilgrimages people already make)(also as a sort of "returning to where you came," kind of thing ), perhaps a starbase with NO SERVICES? infact, make you not able to do anything other then dock/undock? no fitting changes no ship switching, nothing.
and when you "dock" you automaticly go to captain's quarters, only it's not the quarters we're used to, it's a big windowed area, with maybe a few benches/sitting areas along the edge, and a monument in the middle with a large window behind it looking out onto the eve gate.
the returning to your ship/undocking you don't even see your ship like normal, you see an elevator/esculator that takes you to the "parking lot" (which you don't actually see because you undock )

maybe add in a guest book or something similiar, clicking on it writes your name in the book, kind of like how people who go to new eden now leave a small jetison can in the system somewhere?

Some good ideas here. I'm not sure of a ring of fire, monument or cemetary - they all seem so cold.

a monument inside an SB can have warm tone colors? like white and warm reds? with light metalic grey floor plating, think of it almost like a airport terminal i guess? a really fancy brand new terminal with a dedication or statue in the middle near the back, and a huge window that takes up an entire side from ceiling to floor, that looks onto space the eve gate glowing in the backround
i can see it now! :D
if only i had any artistic skill what so ever i'd draw you a picture =/

i have no idea what the monument should/could look like thought >.>; my imagination hasn't gotten that far yet

I still think they need to re-write the description of the Diplomacy skillbook for him.

That to me seems the most fitting a memorial for Him.

Maybe but what would they write? It would have to be something about actual diplomacy, perhaps an out of game yet applicable to the game quote, and not just some memorial caption.

If you make a place to celebrate someone or a group of people, there will be people who go there to desecrate it. Either via can art or other actions like shooting it and even camping the system to kill those who go to visit.

I wish I could honestly say something like that would never happen, but I'm a realist and this is EVE. Maybe if such a place could be visited via the same mechanic for the ship viewer then it would be good. I just don't want to present an opportunity for jerks to go for the low blow.

So far my personal favorite idea has been a Vile Rate quote in the diplo skill book description.

I'm wondering if as much as a nice thought as this is, why has this not happened for others that passed away? There have been many many people pass away but non got this kind of recognition.

I believe that is unfair.

That is the entire point. Sean is certainly the inspiration, but the proposed memorial would be for ALL fallen Capsuleers.

Reading is fundamental.

I think a system that is pitch black except for a white light in the distance

That is the entire point. Sean is certainly the inspiration, but the proposed memorial would be for ALL fallen Capsuleers.

Or you could not be a **** and just stop reading them

Originally posted on Eveoganda:


The Eve community has responded amazingly well to this week's horrible tragedy. I have honestly never been prouder of my own association with Eve Online, CCP and my fellow pilots. What happened in Libya is nothing short of horrible and tragic and pointless violence. But, whatever the real world implications may be, we all have a virtual universe to live in.

So, what now?

There have already been calls to memorialize VR in-game and I wholeheartedly support those calls. The ideas have varied from a perma-cyno in Jita to a Titan wreck in a meaningful zero space system. Again, these are all good ideas. And I would support them. But, I wonder.

With a global player-base and around half-a-million players, the tragedy of this week seems almost inevitable. Something like this had to happen eventually. And as Eve continues to get longer in the tooth, such a tragedy is invariably going to happen again. And again. And again. This is in no way intended to take away from what happened this week, but it will happen again. For those of you young enough not to notice, we are all going to die someday.

What I'm driving at here is nothing short of a permanent massive memorial to the fallen in-game. Something that fits within the context of Eve, the universe, lore, and conventional mechanics. If Capsuleers are the Gods of New Eden, then I think they deserve a God-like Memorial of significance. We humans, and I suspect Capsuleers as well, have historically erected large scale memorial systems to honor those that have passed away before us. I suspect that the future will not be all that different. Especially when it is an immortal Capsuleer that has passed into the great mystery.

To my mind, nothing symbolizes the "great mystery" in New Eden more than the Eve Gate. It is where our ancestors came from and beyond which is nothing more than the great unknown.

What I am suggesting is the creation of the opposite. A Great Ring of Fire on the opposite end of the universe from the Eve Gate. A dark hole that symbolizes the place where we go after death. The great beyond.

A place where the mechanic exists to immortalize those Capsuleers of distinction that have left us forever. Not those that un-sub never to return, but those that have tied their lives in a significant way to our universe and that we know have left real life as well. A hall of heroes if you will, a Hall of Fame, a grand memorial to the fallen.

I suggest inclusion in such a memorial would require action from the elected body of the CSM with final approval given by CCP. The details seem easy enough to imagine.

Sean's passing has, I suspect, left us all feeling a little mortal this week. I know it has made me feel the years pilling on. Perhaps this is one way to give something special back to Sean and the others that will eventually take his side, on the other side.

It is only another suggestion. As I said before, I'd support any memorial that happens in his honor. As always, I tend to think things through to their logical conclusion and how it impacts the game in the bigger picture.

Maybe now is not the time. But, then again, maybe now is the perfect time.

Your thoughts?

Make no mistake. A community member passed away and i have zero tolerance for anyone that steps over the line in such threads.

this is why players shouldnt be in positions like yours, biased attitude. your personal feelings are dictating your actions as we can clearly see from your response.

+1

I support Rixx's idea for a memorial place somewhere in New Eden. Not necessarily a ring of fire, but I've seen other great ideas, like a binary system with a star and a black hole with some monument commemorating the fallen.

Your thoughts?

wait a second, are you actually complaining that you cant troll threads about someone passing away because the mean old ISD is being all 'emotional' in forbidding people from doing so.

Grow the **** up.

your reading comprehension skills need improvement. do you even know the definition of complaining? doesnt seem like it, but ill give you the benefit of the doubt my comment was irrelevant to the actual article , i simply stated players shouldnt be in moderator positions or be employed by ccp due to a bias

It's certainly a nice sentiment.

However, I would be interested to hear your reasoning Rixx as to how it would fit with in the current lore of EVE. Why would immortal capsuleers with a permanent supply of clones need a memorial to the dead? From what I can gather from your OP you did not address this question specifically. Though I am very tired here so sorry if I missed it.

+1

Paid my subs after 4 months away just so I could log in and post on this.

Q: Do we include ALL nationalities etc. - EVEN if they're the "other side". Do we have Eve players who might be deemed as "enemies of the state"?

I think what I'm asking is if the memorial is to ~Eve players~ who have died in the line of duty regardless of who he fought for?

Who decides?

You know any of the rest of us won't, the only reason this is getting so much attention is 1) It's GOONS, 2) how many Goon members are also dev's or isd's I bet I can name a few coughs*CCP Soundwave*coughs. If it was any run of the mill subscriber like myself i would be wrote of as just "stopped" playing.

But let something happen to a goon it makes national media just like their in-game destructive campaigns "burn jita" for example.
Goons are destructive to EVE and the EVE Community, see you in EC-P8R!!

imo the line is easy, the memorial is for ALL fallen players. Period.

I am no one important.

I've fought in some major battles, sure.... been in fleet with greatness, been called "Primary" by greatness, and every now and then, had greatness go "squish" under my guns.

But, should I die tomorrow, my passing will have no impact on the vast majority of EVE.

Every city has a cenotaph... a place to remember the dead from WW1 and WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, Afghanistan. Our brothers down under remember their ANZAC fallen, and Canadians like me feel a little swell of pride mixed with sadness every time we hear "In Flanders Fields".

Yes, there needs to be an e-cenotaph, a place to remember the dead of EVE. Those who contributed to the ecosystem of EVE, even if it was simply being a target on someone else's overview.

But then there are the giants of EVE:

Seleene, Molle, Istvan, The Mittani, VR..... these pilots did more than fly and fight. They created CONTENT, and it is by their machinations, dedication and perspiration that EVE has remained viable, vibrant and vivacious.

EVE would be no better or no worse off if I, Paddlefoot Aeon, had never played.

But EVE would be smaller, less fun.... a pale shadow, if giants like VR had never joined.

When one of these giants leaves us, their footprints NEED to be preserved.

In real life, we rename streets for a politician, a soldiers.... a hero.

In EVE, our systems are our streets.... and there is one out there just waiting...


I've spent a career in EVE hating everything GOON......... its been awesome, and I've enjoyed every minute.
Thanks VR.

[ Originally posted on Eveoganda ]
Ring of Fire

Morgan Bigbutte

"[...]just probin' a new Wormhole, like usual," Bigbutte said

"exit hole unlike anything we'd seen before. It was massive."

"[...] the tidal forces destroy our probes and rip them to pieces. But what we do know is the event is the largest we've seen since the Eve Gate."

"It is simply the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. It was almost a religious experience, you can't help yourself. I immediately thought about the friends I've lost, the immortals who will never return."

I'm no expert on lore. Having said that, within the game itself there must be times when Capsuleers do not get re-cloned and actually perish. There has to be, to explain why "real world" death causes the immortal Capsuleer never to return. This is different than players who de-sub and someday may return, or characters that are bought and sold.

So, I would expect that the "True Death" would be an extremely painful and memorable event in the Capsuleer community. In my mind it doesn't seem a big leap to think that Capsuleers would be particulary inclined to erect some type of memorial in their honor.

OR - They simply happen upon a natural phenonenom that they deem worthy of symbolizing such a memorial. Which is kind of what I have proposed.

Apologies for the typos, writing on my phone.

Make no mistake. A community member passed away and i have zero tolerance for anyone that steps over the line in such threads.

Maybe a monument in jita saying

"to all those who have fallen before their time"

or something like that... keep it respectful for sure, but making a sort of hall or fame? nah that is wrong imo.

Let people mourn in their own way, its a personal thing... not something that need broadcasting. This would just be abused and you know it!

To be honest, they should give you a job Rixx. They did it with Raivi (heart CCP Fozzie), and others, so why not you!?

+1 to this idea!!

I see you've overcome your forumfear Rixx.

Loving the idea with the ring of fire system.

I'm torn on the proposed system name, TBH.

Basically, more people are going to die the longer Eve exists. It'd be too much to ask from CCP to add a new system for each and everyone.

Therefore I'd like to see a monument/system named in a way that everybody - young and old - can identify themselves with.

(And yes, I'd love the idea of everybody getting a star system named after themselves.)

We could call the system "Memoriam", it even sounds like a Eve system name.

This is definately a great idea and would contribute a huge deal to the whole community! A place where someday pilgrims could travel to and stand still (e.g. orbit) in awe...

One question remains though: what would be the requirements for someone to 'get on the list of fire' ? Would CCP require the inheritor to send them a death certificate? Or would only people join the ring of fire when they passed away and newspapers reported it? Or would it need just a few players petitioning the RL-death of a fellow corpmate without any 'real' proof?

I'm just saying, CCP should beforehand eliminate all possibilites of abuse.

I think the general consensus at this point is that including names is far too complicated and time-consuming to implement in any reasonable, fair and equitable manner. So the concept has evolved to one of a "general" memorial to ALL those that have passed away and can no longer return to the game.

Which someday, if Eve survives, will include all of us.

I support the idea of a general memorial like the one Rixx proposes (and I love the tagline).

So let's talk about the system location. Two locations I highly recommend.

1. Seyllin, Essence. You want a ring of fire? Here's the place to put it. Seyllin I is the place where half a billion souls perished in one huge tragedy. It should have a memorial anyhow, why not this one? As reported in The Empyrean Age novel, the caches of Isogen-5 that destroyed the shattered planets were located at a place where the sun's corona formed a "ring of fire" around the planet. Sure, that one referred to T-IPZB, but Seyllin would be as appropriate. It could be to the dead in game and out. To boot, it's in Gallente low-sec, which is travellable with some risk from high-sec where most of the space-tourists will be anyhow.
2. Ennur, Molden Heath. When I did a pre-release review of the new nebulae a year or so ago, I lamented the fact that while the nebulae were awesome, the long-noted phenomena were not obviously present. Specifically I said, "I want to sit at the edge of Golgothan Fields in Ennur looking out over the slowly turning vortex in Ginungagap." These places already exist as part of the lore and even the game map - there's your black hole. Make it visible. Make it spectacular. It's already an in-game place, let us see it and make it a memorial site. It's also at the opposite end of space from the EVE Gate, per Rixx's suggestion. It would be a bit more dangerous, but still quite reachable. We could also hook Rixx's proposed "Memoriam" system off of Ennur.

Cause VR was the first Eve player to be killed.
Or did he just happen to be a prominent one?
This only encourages martyrs.
This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events.
Not supported.
Please do not go geo-political in Eve CCP.

This memorial system with the ring of fire is a fantastic idea. I don't think having a list of names set up and maintained by CCP would work that well though.

Perhaps instead players could take the initiative and set up secure containers in the system? Either at the sun (or the actual ring of fire memorial if it can be warped to) for public memorial containers or at a safe for personal memorial containers that they could visit. The system security status would need to be low enough to allow for anchoring though.

Maybe then for the memorial solar system advertising cans would be disallowed, and those could be reported and taken down by CCP?

It's OK that you question the legitimacy of a memorial. That's not in bad taste.

However, I'm uncertain you can provide any evidence of any kind whatsoever to support any of your actual statements here, beyond "Not supported."

"This only encourages martyrs." Prove it.

"This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events." You know, except comemorate them.

Then you go on to ask CCP not to go geo-political in Eve. OK fine, I'll bite.

A human being who played this game was literally killed in the line of duty. There is nothing whatsoever "geo-political" about that.

Just about everyone, everywhere, understands the concept of "killed in the line of duty." It goes beyond culture. It is not geo-political, it is anthropological by its very nature.

I am sorry you don't support the idea of a monument of some type. At least try to present facts if you plan to explain your reasons with expository statements, though.

I still wasn't sure about that post when I submitted it, I'd re-written it a couple of times.
Basically I consider "in the line of duty" to be bollocks. The last reasonable armed conflict in my view was WW2. Since then war has been more about diplomacy by other means (and protecting/extending the national interest/neo-colonialisim) than about genuine threat to human/social existence (some more so, some less).

Killed doing his job is much more accurate. A job he chose to do. A job he was most likely aware that there were risks involved. We don't get overly upset about civilian casualties, people who don't get to choose what is happening to them but we should care about those who do choose?
For that matter if "in the line of duty" is justification why not include those of the other side/s? Are they not doing their duty as they see fit?

I don't think commemorating losses is healthy, you don't do it in Eve why do it in real life? In eve you try to learn from your loss and move on.

By geo-political I was referring to the fact that 1) only certain parties are likely to represented and 2) some cultures have moved beyond venerating their armed forces.

However, all I am expressing here is my thoughts on the subject as I see it. This probably isn't the place for where this discussion is likely to head from here.

Cause VR was the first Eve player to be killed.
Or did he just happen to be a prominent one?

This only encourages martyrs.

This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events.
Not supported.
Please do not go geo-political in Eve CCP.

Cause VR was the first Eve player to be killed.
Or did he just happen to be a prominent one?
This only encourages martyrs.
This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events.
Not supported.
Please do not go geo-political in Eve CCP.

Originally posted on Eveoganda:

NEW: Ring of Fire Video 2 Featuring music by Aiden Mourn

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The Eve community has responded amazingly well to this week's horrible tragedy. I have honestly never been prouder of my own association with Eve Online, CCP and my fellow pilots. What happened in Libya is nothing short of horrible and tragic and pointless violence. But, whatever the real world implications may be, we all have a virtual universe to live in.

So, what now?

There have already been calls to memorialize VR in-game and I wholeheartedly support those calls. The ideas have varied from a perma-cyno in Jita to a Titan wreck in a meaningful zero space system. Again, these are all good ideas. And I would support them. But, I wonder.

With a global player-base and around half-a-million players, the tragedy of this week seems almost inevitable. Something like this had to happen eventually. And as Eve continues to get longer in the tooth, such a tragedy is invariably going to happen again. And again. And again. This is in no way intended to take away from what happened this week, but it will happen again. For those of you young enough not to notice, we are all going to die someday.

What I'm driving at here is nothing short of a permanent massive memorial to the fallen in-game. Something that fits within the context of Eve, the universe, lore, and conventional mechanics. If Capsuleers are the Gods of New Eden, then I think they deserve a God-like Memorial of significance. We humans, and I suspect Capsuleers as well, have historically erected large scale memorial systems to honor those that have passed away before us. I suspect that the future will not be all that different. Especially when it is an immortal Capsuleer that has passed into the great mystery.

To my mind, nothing symbolizes the "great mystery" in New Eden more than the Eve Gate. It is where our ancestors came from and beyond which is nothing more than the great unknown.

What I am suggesting is the creation of the opposite. A Great Ring of Fire on the opposite end of the universe from the Eve Gate. A black hole devouring a star that symbolizes the place where we go after death. The great beyond.

A place where the mechanic exists to immortalize those Capsuleers that have left us forever. Not those that un-sub never to return, but those that have tied their lives to our universe and that we know have left real life as well. A hall of heroes if you will, a Hall of Fame, a grand memorial to the fallen.

Sean's passing has, I suspect, left us all feeling a little mortal this week. I know it has made me feel the years pilling on. Perhaps this is one way to give something special back to Sean and the others that will eventually take his side, on the other side. Inspired by Sean, but something for all of us.

It is only another suggestion. As I said before, I'd support any memorial that happens in his honor. As always, I tend to think things through to their logical conclusion and how it impacts the game in the bigger picture.

Maybe now is not the time. But, then again, maybe now is the perfect time.

Your thoughts?

It does help to read.

The Ring of Fire concept is not about one player as has been explained through-out this thread. While one player's public connection to Eve and our community was certainly the "catalyst" for this idea, it is in no way specific to one player and is meant to represent all of those players that are no longer with us now, and in the future.

I continue to believe, especially as Eve moves into its second decade, that such a memorial becomes increasingly important and meaningful.

As always thanks for everyone's support. Keep the courage.

Maybe it would be best not to actually list names but make it a general memorial.

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