Loving the idea with the ring of fire system.

I'm torn on the proposed system name, TBH.

Basically, more people are going to die the longer Eve exists. It'd be too much to ask from CCP to add a new system for each and everyone.

Therefore I'd like to see a monument/system named in a way that everybody - young and old - can identify themselves with.

(And yes, I'd love the idea of everybody getting a star system named after themselves.)

We could call the system "Memoriam", it even sounds like a Eve system name.

This is definately a great idea and would contribute a huge deal to the whole community! A place where someday pilgrims could travel to and stand still (e.g. orbit) in awe...

One question remains though: what would be the requirements for someone to 'get on the list of fire' ? Would CCP require the inheritor to send them a death certificate? Or would only people join the ring of fire when they passed away and newspapers reported it? Or would it need just a few players petitioning the RL-death of a fellow corpmate without any 'real' proof?

I'm just saying, CCP should beforehand eliminate all possibilites of abuse.

I think the general consensus at this point is that including names is far too complicated and time-consuming to implement in any reasonable, fair and equitable manner. So the concept has evolved to one of a "general" memorial to ALL those that have passed away and can no longer return to the game.

Which someday, if Eve survives, will include all of us.

I support the idea of a general memorial like the one Rixx proposes (and I love the tagline).

So let's talk about the system location. Two locations I highly recommend.

1. Seyllin, Essence. You want a ring of fire? Here's the place to put it. Seyllin I is the place where half a billion souls perished in one huge tragedy. It should have a memorial anyhow, why not this one? As reported in The Empyrean Age novel, the caches of Isogen-5 that destroyed the shattered planets were located at a place where the sun's corona formed a "ring of fire" around the planet. Sure, that one referred to T-IPZB, but Seyllin would be as appropriate. It could be to the dead in game and out. To boot, it's in Gallente low-sec, which is travellable with some risk from high-sec where most of the space-tourists will be anyhow.
2. Ennur, Molden Heath. When I did a pre-release review of the new nebulae a year or so ago, I lamented the fact that while the nebulae were awesome, the long-noted phenomena were not obviously present. Specifically I said, "I want to sit at the edge of Golgothan Fields in Ennur looking out over the slowly turning vortex in Ginungagap." These places already exist as part of the lore and even the game map - there's your black hole. Make it visible. Make it spectacular. It's already an in-game place, let us see it and make it a memorial site. It's also at the opposite end of space from the EVE Gate, per Rixx's suggestion. It would be a bit more dangerous, but still quite reachable. We could also hook Rixx's proposed "Memoriam" system off of Ennur.

Cause VR was the first Eve player to be killed.
Or did he just happen to be a prominent one?
This only encourages martyrs.
This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events.
Not supported.
Please do not go geo-political in Eve CCP.

This memorial system with the ring of fire is a fantastic idea. I don't think having a list of names set up and maintained by CCP would work that well though.

Perhaps instead players could take the initiative and set up secure containers in the system? Either at the sun (or the actual ring of fire memorial if it can be warped to) for public memorial containers or at a safe for personal memorial containers that they could visit. The system security status would need to be low enough to allow for anchoring though.

Maybe then for the memorial solar system advertising cans would be disallowed, and those could be reported and taken down by CCP?

It's OK that you question the legitimacy of a memorial. That's not in bad taste.

However, I'm uncertain you can provide any evidence of any kind whatsoever to support any of your actual statements here, beyond "Not supported."

"This only encourages martyrs." Prove it.

"This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events." You know, except comemorate them.

Then you go on to ask CCP not to go geo-political in Eve. OK fine, I'll bite.

A human being who played this game was literally killed in the line of duty. There is nothing whatsoever "geo-political" about that.

Just about everyone, everywhere, understands the concept of "killed in the line of duty." It goes beyond culture. It is not geo-political, it is anthropological by its very nature.

I am sorry you don't support the idea of a monument of some type. At least try to present facts if you plan to explain your reasons with expository statements, though.

I still wasn't sure about that post when I submitted it, I'd re-written it a couple of times.
Basically I consider "in the line of duty" to be bollocks. The last reasonable armed conflict in my view was WW2. Since then war has been more about diplomacy by other means (and protecting/extending the national interest/neo-colonialisim) than about genuine threat to human/social existence (some more so, some less).

Killed doing his job is much more accurate. A job he chose to do. A job he was most likely aware that there were risks involved. We don't get overly upset about civilian casualties, people who don't get to choose what is happening to them but we should care about those who do choose?
For that matter if "in the line of duty" is justification why not include those of the other side/s? Are they not doing their duty as they see fit?

I don't think commemorating losses is healthy, you don't do it in Eve why do it in real life? In eve you try to learn from your loss and move on.

By geo-political I was referring to the fact that 1) only certain parties are likely to represented and 2) some cultures have moved beyond venerating their armed forces.

However, all I am expressing here is my thoughts on the subject as I see it. This probably isn't the place for where this discussion is likely to head from here.