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Nath Blazek Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Nath Blazek on 26/06/2011 08:07:21 Pot, Meet Kettle. The the link impaired..this is real, Gamasutra is the gold standard trade rag for the industry. June 23, 2011 --- http://schedule.gdceurope.com/session/5322 --- Priceless GDC Europe organizers have unveiled the full lineup for the show's Community Management Summit, featuring a keynote from industry veteran Gordon Walton on creating an online "code of conduct," SOE on controlling player backlash, and EVE Online developer CCP on learning from Jurassic Park. Taking place Monday through Wednesday, August 15-17, 2011 at the Cologne Congress-Centrum Ost, alongside the major gamescom trade show, GDC Europe 2011 will again provide the essential pan-European perspective of game development and business trends. - o7 Of Course! /me hangs head
Consequence Zero Non Affiliation	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:07:00 - [2] Edited by: Consequence Zero on 26/06/2011 08:08:39 - Elsewhere, Valerie Massey, senior director of PR and communication from EVE Online developer CCP, will take a humorous approach to discussing community management in, "Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Online Communities I Learned from Jurassic Park," a talk that will illustrate the ins and outs of the job using examples from the classic Stephen Spielberg film and its sequels. hahahahahahahahaha Edit: fail link I know.. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35406/GDC_Europe_Reveals_Talks_For_Community_Management_Summit.php IT WILL NEVER GO AWAY ALWAYS HAUNTING. FREE HELICITY FREE LIANG REVOLT AGAINST THE OPPRESSIVE TYRANT CCP
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:15:00 - [3] Originally by: Consequence Zero Valerie Massey, senior director of PR and communication from EVE Online developer CCP, will take a humorous approach to discussing community management in, "Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Online Communities I Learned from Jurassic Park," a talk that will illustrate the ins and outs of the job using examples from the classic Stephen Spielberg film and its sequels. There seems to be a gap between "talking about" and "applying".
Harcosi	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Consequence Zero Edited by: Consequence Zero on 26/06/2011 08:08:39 - Elsewhere, Valerie Massey, senior director of PR and communication from EVE Online developer CCP, will take a humorous approach to discussing community management in, "Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Online Communities I Learned from Jurassic Park," a talk that will illustrate the ins and outs of the job using examples from the classic Stephen Spielberg film and its sequels. Well that explains it, when it all starts going bad... Bail.
Mister Grumpy	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:19:00 - [5] Hold on to your butts.
Fire Watch	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:19:00 - [6] embarrassing.
Kiwi Miner	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:20:00 - [7] as myself and others have done send them an e-mail explaining what is going on with a copy of the ceo e-mail and a link to the fourms asking if they are sure they want such a person speaking to there members. I wonder if Hilmar Petursson remembers his quote ôThe evolution of EVE Online continues in large part because of the feedback we receive from subscribers
Ryker Struvian	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:21:00 - [8] What kind of stupid bull** is this?! Learning how to control a community using JURASSIC PARK as an example? It's disrespectful because obviously us, the users, are dinosaurs on the lose when apparently we're supposed to be caged and contained. ing stupid bull**. How insulting.
Akrosi	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:23:00 - [9] Don't worry CCP are fast becoming a Joke in the industry. The only event's they'll be attending next year will be "How to start a new career in trash collection"
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Consequence Zero Edited by: Consequence Zero on 26/06/2011 08:08:39 - Elsewhere, Valerie Massey, senior director of PR and communication from EVE Online developer CCP, will take a humorous approach to discussing community management in, "Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Online Communities I Learned from Jurassic Park," a talk that will illustrate the ins and outs of the job using examples from the classic Stephen Spielberg film and its sequels. hahahahahahahahaha Edit: fail link I know.. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35406/GDC_Europe_Reveals_Talks_For_Community_Management_Summit.php Valerie Massey (CCP Pann) clearly finds dissatisfied customers amusing. Says it all really. C. 'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011 (ಠ_O)

Nath Blazek Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:24:00 - [11] Originally by: Ryker Struvian What kind of stupid bull** is this?! Learning how to control a community using JURASSIC PARK as an example? It's disrespectful because obviously us, the users, are dinosaurs on the lose when apparently we're supposed to be caged and contained. ing stupid bull**. How insulting. Prehistoric Thinking? Eat your Tail like a Velociraptor? - o7 Of Course! /me hangs head
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:24:00 - [12] What a farce. __________
Alara IonStorm	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:24:00 - [13] Hahahahahahaha CCP: As you can see by our own forums(Flip screen to forums), we keep our community happy and conte...... Security: We are going to have to ask you to leave the building now.
Slaqer	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Ryker Struvian What kind of stupid bull** is this?! Learning how to control a community using JURASSIC PARK as an example? It's disrespectful because obviously us, the users, are dinosaurs on the lose when apparently we're supposed to be caged and contained. ing stupid bull**. How insulting. Or hopefully they are learning that you can't cage us, we are too powerful for that.
Zhula Guixgrixks	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:24:00 - [15] ROFL
Valei Khurelem	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:25:00 - [16] Ohhhh god. runs from the inevitable **storm
Joxxy	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:25:00 - [17] Should be fun to watch that lecture ... She will be disclosing what should be done and everoyne in the room will laugh enjoying standup comedy.
Felurian	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Nath Blazek SOE on controlling player backlash Originally by: Nath Blazek player backlash Originally by: Nath Blazek SOE They know tons after SWG, and the liberation of data from their servers . However, they are CCP's lords and masters now, and are thusly our's.
Ryker Struvian	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:27:00 - [19] I've worked in several different companies but most of the time it was a customer service position. Customers can indeed be rather rude or just dumb at times, but never have I ever degraded them to something less than human. How unprofessional, even if she is trying to approach the topic with humor. Still very unprofessional.
SSN 609 Amarr The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:27:00 - [20] Originally by: Akrosi Don't worry CCP are fast becoming a Joke in the industry. The only event's they'll be attending next year will be "How to start a new career in trash collection" Guys... have you ever been to one of these seminars? Its better to watch paint dry. The topic was raised in such a way that people would be interesting in what she has to say. This was also brought up and announced before the incarna was released... Not to mention that much of what happened isn't her fault, and while there are a lot of things not going right, there are probably a lot of things shes trying to get CCP to do, and they won't allow her to do her job due to many facts we don't know. Please... stop personally attacks of CCP employees and attack policies instead.

Darkael	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:28:00 - [21] "life... always finds a way"
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:28:00 - [22] Did you notice this one: What Can You Do When Your Social or MMO Game Community Revolt Against You? [Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.
Alara IonStorm	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:28:00 - [23] Next up Perpetuum Online Dev to give a round table on how to deal with Server Load created by a Massive Influx of players. The Dinosaur Lady can learn to Open Doors now and leave. Just not the Quarters ofc,
baltec1	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Ryker Struvian What kind of stupid bull** is this?! Learning how to control a community using JURASSIC PARK as an example? It's disrespectful because obviously us, the users, are dinosaurs on the lose when apparently we're supposed to be caged and contained. ing stupid bull**. How insulting. But its true. We are currently rampaging in the park attacking the staff one at a time and if given the chance we would most likely eat them too.
Slaqer	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:29:00 - [25] Edited by: Slaqer on 26/06/2011 08:30:04 Quote: - In a lecture dubbed, "What Can You Do When Your Social or MMO Game Community Revolt Against You?," Alexis Bonte of eRepublik Labs will describe the ways in which player communities can revolt against developers, using examples including negative review spam, active trolling, and player strikes. Bonte will also explain how to fix a number of these problems, noting, "It's better to be loved, but many never will, so you need to be feared too." We are so screwed if CCP learns from this person.
Ryker Struvian	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:30:00 - [26] Originally by: SSN 609 Originally by: Akrosi Don't worry CCP are fast becoming a Joke in the industry. The only event's they'll be attending next year will be "How to start a new career in trash collection" Guys... have you ever been to one of these seminars? Its better to watch paint dry. The topic was raised in such a way that people would be interesting in what she has to say. This was also brought up and announced before the incarna was released... Not to mention that much of what happened isn't her fault, and while there are a lot of things not going right, there are probably a lot of things shes trying to get CCP to do, and they won't allow her to do her job due to many facts we don't know. Please... stop personally attacks of CCP employees and attack policies instead. They can be boring, but you could approach it without degrading your customers. It's just another bad choice in decision making. Never is it good to do anything to your customers other than praise them and acknowledge you appreciate their business.
Alara IonStorm	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Slaqer We are so screwed if CCP learns from this person. Don't worry they have all the answers already... Dinosaurs!
Nath Blazek Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Did you notice this one: What Can You Do When Your Social or MMO Game Community Revolt Against You? I'm Guessing Hilmar and whoever is pinning down the PR people and dev from doing their jobs should get a front row seat. - o7 Of Course! /me hangs head
Slaqer	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Slaqer We are so screwed if CCP learns from this person. Don't worry they have all the answers already... Dinosaurs! It's Dino D-Day in space!!!
quave Caldari Agent-Orange	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:33:00 - [30] Lesson learned? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO5wryDdEI0 The players are smarter than you think.

Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:34:00 - [31] Bottom line, no one at this event is qualified to talk about community. [Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:35:00 - [32] Welcome to the hotel California. You can check out any time you like , but you can never leave.
SSN 609 Amarr The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Ryker Struvian Originally by: SSN 609 Originally by: Akrosi Don't worry CCP are fast becoming a Joke in the industry. The only event's they'll be attending next year will be "How to start a new career in trash collection" Guys... have you ever been to one of these seminars? Its better to watch paint dry. The topic was raised in such a way that people would be interesting in what she has to say. This was also brought up and announced before the incarna was released... Not to mention that much of what happened isn't her fault, and while there are a lot of things not going right, there are probably a lot of things shes trying to get CCP to do, and they won't allow her to do her job due to many facts we don't know. Please... stop personally attacks of CCP employees and attack policies instead. They can be boring, but you could approach it without degrading your customers. It's just another bad choice in decision making. Never is it good to do anything to your customers other than praise them and acknowledge you appreciate their business. IF anything its an bash against herself for learning from a Video, not the customer. I mean we could spin it that we are "dinosaurs". Or we could spin it that she feels powerless against a player base that has more apparent power then her position provides her. It depends on how you look at it!
Kez Aumer	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:36:00 - [34] Originally by: baltec1 We are currently rampaging in the park attacking the staff one at a time and if given the chance we would most likely eat them too. They forgot to turn the fence back on after allowing the item mall in.
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:39:00 - [35] Do I see a dino thread-naughty within our near future here? [Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.
Yarrrrrhh	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:40:00 - [36] Just when you thought they couldn't possibly derp even more.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Ni'ark Ms. Massey attended San Jacinto College and resides in Austin. The head of PR does not even hold a degree. How can a proper mouthpiece not have a degree? Also, she is responsible for the interaction with Tabula Rasa community, we are DOOOMED! __________
Aldus Extremis Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:49:00 - [38] Originally by: Iamien Originally by: Ni'ark Ms. Massey attended San Jacinto College and resides in Austin. The head of PR does not even hold a degree. How can a proper mouthpiece not have a degree? Also, she is responsible for the interaction with Tabula Rasa community, we are DOOOMED! So you keep saying. How does a degree make you competent at any given thing? Are you saying there are no people who are competent and even excellent at what they do who have no degree? What degree does Steve Jobs hold? What degree does Bill Gates hold? Those are two off the top of my head. Having attended class and passed a few tests does not make you necessarily competent at anything other than achieving a passing grade.
Alara IonStorm	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:50:00 - [39]
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:52:00 - [40] Edited by: Iamien on 26/06/2011 08:52:40 Originally by: Aldus Extremis Originally by: Iamien Originally by: Ni'ark Ms. Massey attended San Jacinto College and resides in Austin. The head of PR does not even hold a degree. How can a proper mouthpiece not have a degree? Also, she is responsible for the interaction with Tabula Rasa community, we are DOOOMED! So you keep saying. How does a degree make you competent at any given thing? Are you saying there are no people who are competent and even excellent at what they do who have no degree? What degree does Steve Jobs hold? What degree does Bill Gates hold? Those are two off the top of my head. Having attended class and passed a few tests does not make you necessarily competent at anything other than achieving a passing grade. Outside of entrepreneurs, those who choose a professional career-path typically invest in enough studies to qualify for some sort of degree or other certification. __________

Aldus Extremis Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:55:00 - [41] Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 26/06/2011 08:52:40 Originally by: Aldus Extremis Originally by: Iamien Originally by: Ni'ark Ms. Massey attended San Jacinto College and resides in Austin. The head of PR does not even hold a degree. How can a proper mouthpiece not have a degree? Also, she is responsible for the interaction with Tabula Rasa community, we are DOOOMED! So you keep saying. How does a degree make you competent at any given thing? Are you saying there are no people who are competent and even excellent at what they do who have no degree? What degree does Steve Jobs hold? What degree does Bill Gates hold? Those are two off the top of my head. Having attended class and passed a few tests does not make you necessarily competent at anything other than achieving a passing grade. Outside of entrepreneurs, those who choose a professional career-path typically invest in enough studies to qualify for some sort of degree or other certification. I've worked in a professional field for over 20 years. SOme of the best people I worked with had no degree. I think you are a fool to think the degree means competence or worse that lack of degree equates lack of competence.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Aldus Extremis I've worked in a professional field for over 20 years. SOme of the best people I worked with had no degree. I think you are a fool to think the degree means competence or worse that lack of degree equates lack of competence. CCP Pann is an EVE community manager of old(04/05) that we never heard from again after she was caught lying to us. She went and worked at Tabula Rasa, which failed. She returned as the the Lead PR agent in 2008 and we have not seen hide nor hair from her until she made two posts a few days ago. Does that sound like someone who is experienced/competent in managing communities? __________
Angeliq Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:03:00 - [43] Originally by: Iamien Originally by: Ni'ark Ms. Massey attended San Jacinto College and resides in Austin. The head of PR does not even hold a degree. How can a proper mouthpiece not have a degree? Also, she is responsible for the interaction with Tabula Rasa community, we are DOOOMED! Just like The Senior Priducer of EVE Online - CCP Zulu (Arnar Hrafn Gylfason) - has no education! No high school! No university! ... And most important, he has no degree (or skills) in COMMUNICATION, PR, Consumer/Customer Relations. He is not the only one with such an impressive educational background at CCP. I heard their new Head of Financial Dept. buried (bankrupt) a few companies.
Aldus Extremis Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Iamien Originally by: Aldus Extremis I've worked in a professional field for over 20 years. SOme of the best people I worked with had no degree. I think you are a fool to think the degree means competence or worse that lack of degree equates lack of competence. CCP Pann is an EVE community manager of old(04/05) that we never heard from again after she was caught lying to us. She went and worked at Tabula Rasa, which failed. She returned as the the Lead PR agent in 2008 and we have not seen hide nor hair from her until she made two posts a few days ago. Does that sound like someone who is experienced/competent in managing communities? What part of what I said implied that everyone without or with a degree was competent? Your statement directly implied incompetence due to lack of degree. I find that statement silly. If you think she is incompetent, fine. State your reasons but lack of degree is not an indicator.
Doom Sentinel	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:07:00 - [45] I smell another potential threadnaught
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:10:00 - [46] Edited by: Iamien on 26/06/2011 09:11:19 Originally by: Aldus Extremis Originally by: Iamien Originally by: Aldus Extremis I've worked in a professional field for over 20 years. SOme of the best people I worked with had no degree. I think you are a fool to think the degree means competence or worse that lack of degree equates lack of competence. CCP Pann is an EVE community manager of old(04/05) that we never heard from again after she was caught lying to us. She went and worked at Tabula Rasa, which failed. She returned as the the Lead PR agent in 2008 and we have not seen hide nor hair from her until she made two posts a few days ago. Does that sound like someone who is experienced/competent in managing communities? What part of what I said implied that everyone without or with a degree was competent? Your statement directly implied incompetence due to lack of degree. I find that statement silly. If you think she is incompetent, fine. State your reasons but lack of degree is not an indicator. So you believe that there is an equal number of incompetent people without degrees than there are with? If so, you are ignorant. Degrees may not guarantee competence, but the knowledge that a degree indicates sure helps to prevent incompetence. __________
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:10:00 - [47] Posting to confirm that CCP is ::excellence:: at managing communities and have a lot to teach.
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:11:00 - [48] Originally by: Aldus Extremis Having attended class and passed a few tests does not make you necessarily competent at anything other than achieving a passing grade. Absolutely agree with that. I worked @ DreamWorks, I was the right hand minion to Corporate VP @ Clear Channel (trained his new middle manager and staff), I took care of a Hospital's Data Center plus Help Desk alone whilst my the rest of my team slept soundly in their beds, I took care of hundreds of Small Business clients with technical advise and support for six years (self employment) .... My subjects in colleges were Behavioral Science, Electronic Music and Violin. I never graduated. I keep a printed out copy of Steve Jobs 2005 Stanford Commencement Speech to kick around my desk and to remind me that when my back is against the wall, I'm doing alright. It's not Valerie Massey (CCP Games) calling the shots right now. [Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.
Aldus Extremis Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:13:00 - [49] Originally by: Iamien Originally by: Aldus Extremis Originally by: Iamien Originally by: Aldus Extremis I've worked in a professional field for over 20 years. SOme of the best people I worked with had no degree. I think you are a fool to think the degree means competence or worse that lack of degree equates lack of competence. CCP Pann is an EVE community manager of old(04/05) that we never heard from again after she was caught lying to us. She went and worked at Tabula Rasa, which failed. She returned as the the Lead PR agent in 2008 and we have not seen hide nor hair from her until she made two posts a few days ago. Does that sound like someone who is experienced/competent in managing communities? What part of what I said implied that everyone without or with a degree was competent? Your statement directly implied incompetence due to lack of degree. I find that statement silly. If you think she is incompetent, fine. State your reasons but lack of degree is not an indicator. So you believe that there is an equal number of incompetent people without degrees than there are with? If so, you are ignorant. Degrees may not guarantee competence, but the knowledge that a degree indicates sure helps prevent incompetence. I believe when calling a persons competence into question I look at their performance and not their education. To do otherwise can cause you to reject people of quality due to an unreasonable and un-required bias.It's simply not useful.
Precusor	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:15:00 - [50] Keep this thread up.

Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Did you notice this one: What Can You Do When Your Social or MMO Game Community Revolt Against You? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqyiUNGcTrY ^ Read the comments on this one. "ridiculously modifications and orwellianesque censorship" I'm not really sure CCP could learn anything there.
Kiwi Miner	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:20:00 - [52] Quote: What part of what I said implied that everyone without or with a degree was competent? Your statement directly implied incompetence due to lack of degree. I find that statement silly. If you think she is incompetent, fine. State your reasons but lack of degree is not an indicator. So you believe that there is an equal number of incompetent people without degrees than there are with? If so, you are ignorant. Degrees may not guarantee competence, but the knowledge that a degree indicates sure helps prevent incompetence. I believe when calling a persons competence into question I look at their performance and not their education. To do otherwise can cause you to reject people of quality due to an unreasonable and un-required bias.It's simply not useful. and how are we to judge ccpan's competence, based on the eve community at the moment not well i expect I wonder if Hilmar Petursson remembers his quote ôThe evolution of EVE Online continues in large part because of the feedback we receive from subscribers
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:25:00 - [53] Community management is highly visible position that takes direction from the highest echelon of management. So it's like being pulled into two directions with your hands tied and your career on the line. They can only succeed if they are allowed to do so. [Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:26:00 - [54] Originally by: Iamien CCP Pann is an EVE community manager of old(04/05) that we never heard from again after she was caught lying to us. She went and worked at Tabula Rasa, which failed. She returned as the the Lead PR agent in 2008 and we have not seen hide nor hair from her until she made two posts a few days ago. Does that sound like someone who is experienced/competent in managing communities? Interesting. Any details about the "caught lying" incident?
Aldus Extremis Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Kiwi Miner Quote: What part of what I said implied that everyone without or with a degree was competent? Your statement directly implied incompetence due to lack of degree. I find that statement silly. If you think she is incompetent, fine. State your reasons but lack of degree is not an indicator. So you believe that there is an equal number of incompetent people without degrees than there are with? If so, you are ignorant. Degrees may not guarantee competence, but the knowledge that a degree indicates sure helps prevent incompetence. I believe when calling a persons competence into question I look at their performance and not their education. To do otherwise can cause you to reject people of quality due to an unreasonable and un-required bias.It's simply not useful. and how are we to judge ccpan's competence, based on the eve community at the moment not well i expect I didn't post to defend ccp in any way. I posted to call bull**** on a blanket statement that has no merit.
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Aldus Extremis I didn't post to defend ccp in any way. I posted to call bull** on a blanket statement that has no merit. Here, here. So let's move forward! Send forth the DINOSAURS!!!! [Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.**
Falbala Gallente Ishtar's Destiny	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:34:00 - [57] She meant Jurassic Park
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:37:00 - [58] Yet another FAIL in the long row of FAILS from ÇÇP! -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Falbala Gallente Ishtar's Destiny	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:45:00 - [59] Originally by: Kiwi Miner and how are we to judge ccpan's competence, based on the eve community at the moment not well i expect You can judge her competence anytime. Just google eveonline and Pann and you will get a record of her posts since 2003... She did her job well, has good communication skills and even had her song on eve radio back in time. Here is her interview with IGN if that helps.
Drifnir Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:48:00 - [60] Oh lord this is priceless...I bet they're gonna have some new material after this.

Anon Forumalt6858	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Anne Arqui Originally by: Consequence Zero Valerie Massey, senior director of PR and communication from EVE Online developer CCP, will take a humorous approach to discussing community management in, "Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Online Communities I Learned from Jurassic Park," a talk that will illustrate the ins and outs of the job using examples from the classic Stephen Spielberg film and its sequels. There seems to be a gap between "talking about" and "applying". Someone (^) must be feeling rather incompetent these days. The real humor will be seeing if the crowd can keep a straight face listening to her talk about being good at managing a community after this massive failure. - His name was John Turbefield! CCP: We are adults who wage economic, social, and tactical warfare on each other for fun. Don't **** with us.
Falbala Gallente Ishtar's Destiny	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:52:00 - [62] Also you must remember that Eve originally a PVP game and there were a lot of heated arguments between "carebears" and "griefers", in fact most rage quitting was coming from such arguments. I think it's where the Jurassic Park comparison comes from, but you'll have to ask her when she'll come back.
Spookyjay	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:54:00 - [63] Please some on go to this and expose CCP fantastic community relations.
Chas Davia	Posted - 2011.06.26 10:06:00 - [64] My photoshop skills are failing... we need dinosaurs with monocles... NOW! http://www.irmin.com/wallpaper/Movies/Jurassic%20Park.jpg
Lii'ta	Posted - 2011.06.26 10:15:00 - [65] I for one am taking heart. We all know how it ends. The dinosaurs are destined to rule new eden! Our prophet Valerie demands it.
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.06.26 10:34:00 - [66] Originally by: Tutskii Posting to confirm that CCP is ::excellence:: at managing communities and have a lot to teach. +1 ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.
Kern Hotha	Posted - 2011.06.26 10:58:00 - [67] I want to reiterate how humorous it is that CCP will be attending a conference where one of the sessions will be entitled What can you do when your social or MMO game community revolts against you? --- "The data does not support that polished quality sells better than new features." -Nathan Richardsson, Senior Producer at CCP
Daxel Magmalloy	Posted - 2011.06.26 11:14:00 - [68] Edited by: Daxel Magmalloy on 26/06/2011 11:19:11 Everyone who is cancelling their accounts should also contact organisations like these and tell them why they are doing so. The entire industry should know about what is happening here. http://gdceurope.com/contactus/ Spread the word! 'I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!'
Kuronaga Kantian Principle	Posted - 2011.06.26 11:17:00 - [69] So if I refuse to get inside an electrified cage, is CCP coming after me with a stungun?
Nikki West	Posted - 2011.06.26 11:19:00 - [70] Embarrassing. --- Free LIANG, Free HELICITY, Free ANGEL HUN

Teako	Posted - 2011.06.26 11:32:00 - [71] Pathetic. Only good thing is alot of these people will end up unemployed.
Boaz Hedion Merkava	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:14:00 - [72] "controlling player backlash". I really lol'd.... oh, the irony.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:17:00 - [73] The wrong thing at the wrong time at the wrong place. --------------------- Unsubbed.
Mordrake Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:17:00 - [74] Originally by: Akrosi Don't worry CCP are fast becoming a Joke in the industry. The only event's they'll be attending next year will be "How to start a new career in trash collection" I don't think thats an option for most of CCP, they just throw it into the volcano over there. "Arte et Marte"
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:20:00 - [75] Really love this session. Lets hope she attented it: "What Can You Do When Your Social or MMO Game Community Revolt Against You? Alexis Bonte (eRepublik Labs)" -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Lakuma	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:23:00 - [76] Seriously - where is the conference and can we get people to Picket outside? As a very supportive community, we'll give them a 'live demonstration' of community unrest and allow CCP to demonstrate how to quell it. Right? This **** just went from virtual to REAL. THE PLAYERS WILL NEVER BE SILENCED!
Tatiana Albuere University of Caille	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:24:00 - [77] SOE have much to teach CCP, really they do. ---- Originally by: CCP Fallout I'm removing pony pictures from the forums ... Meanwhile, EVE burns ...
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:25:00 - [78] Originally by: Iamien What a farce. When you think it couldn't go any better/worse, there's always some ironic twist that spices things up another notch. -
Money for pants	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:26:00 - [79] I will be a chance for CCP to show off their $1000 pants!
Zangorus	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:27:00 - [80] WTF

Koronakesh Amarr Seekers of a Silent Paradise	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:27:00 - [81] Originally by: quave Lesson learned? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO5wryDdEI0 The players are smarter than you think. +1
Viibl Triibl	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:27:00 - [82] Originally by: Mister Grumpy Hold on to your butts. lol
5n4keyes Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:28:00 - [83] OK... Heres an approach on recent events, using jurassic park as an example. CCP Might be the T-Rex, But the players are the Raptors, and were nice and friendly and not a problem, until the AUR cost of powering the fence is realised to be too much, and the Raptors are able to escape. 1 Raptor might not be a problem, but 10 ****ed of raptors and the T-Rex is fraked.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:28:00 - [84] Quite an interesting topic in the present times. However, I think that many of you looking to it as a joke should re-access the content and possibly even the goal of that summit. What I gathered from the points to be discussed was a meeting to go over the mechanisms in order for the companyto do whatever it wants to its customer base and still come out on top. The reference to "Jurassic Park" should be examined more critically. My impression is that we, the customers, are being compared to creatures with the brain the size of a peanut, read that "dumb" and easily corraled like a herd of livestock. This is outrageous in and of itself. At the least the customers of CCP should consider it incendiary and at worst more justification to stop patronizing the company altogether.
Emiko P'eng Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:52:00 - [85] This is the talk she needs to go to! Games Developer Conference: - What Can You Do When Your Social or MMO Game Community Revolt Against You?
SerratedX Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:00:00 - [86] So CCP Pann who wrote an overdue apology and is asking for parley (and totally missed WHY WE ARE MAD in her post) is holding a talk about community management? Thats just great, CCP is now trolling GDC apparently. I'm a wizard and that looks ****ed up.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:12:00 - [87] Originally by: Iamien So you believe that there is an equal number of incompetent people without degrees than there are with? If so, you are ignorant. Degrees may not guarantee competence, but the knowledge that a degree indicates sure helps to prevent incompetence. There's a whole series of fallacies there. You should probably go to college, to learn what they are.
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:18:00 - [88] lawl... CCP does know the dinosaurs escaped the island and created a huge mess right? Oh, the irony... Ambulation... because spaceships don't have wallets.
Dasatei	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:22:00 - [89] LololololololololoL fail
MC187	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:25:00 - [90] Originally by: Anne Arqui Originally by: Consequence Zero Valerie Massey, senior director of PR and communication from EVE Online developer CCP, will take a humorous approach to discussing community management in, "Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Online Communities I Learned from Jurassic Park," a talk that will illustrate the ins and outs of the job using examples from the classic Stephen Spielberg film and its sequels. There seems to be a gap between "talking about" and "applying". shoulda read the book valerie, was better than the movie.

xXxMason	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:31:00 - [91] You think this kind of automation is easy...or cheap? I'd like to see you try to find someone else that can debug 2 million lines of code and network all these mainframes for the price I bid for this job...and if you can, I'd love to see them try.
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:36:00 - [92] Ambulation... because spaceships don't have wallets.
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:41:00 - [93] The irony is over 9000.
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:30:00 - [94] Are they charging for that seminar? If so they need to pay Universal Studios a $99 licensing fee... Ambulation... because spaceships don't have wallets.


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