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Raid'En	Posted - 2011.06.26 23:51:00 - [91] hym guys, sorry to interrupt the party but... you realize that if CCP is calling them on iceland it's cause they want them to show things they can't show them through internet, and that cannot be made public / leaked ? of course i would like to have no NDA here, but honestly, it can't happen :/ if you tell them "no nda", they will cancel the trip immediatly...
Yarrrrrhh	Posted - 2011.06.26 23:52:00 - [92] Originally by: Raid'En you realize that if CCP is calling them on iceland it's cause they want them to show things they can't show them through internet, and that cannot be made public / leaked ? a) They can do that after the meeting when the important stuff has been figured out. b) No, that's not the reason. CCP just wants to buy time.
Fire Watch	Posted - 2011.06.26 23:52:00 - [93] Originally by: Raid'En hym guys, sorry to interrupt the party but... you realize that if CCP is calling them on iceland it's cause they want them to show things they can't show them through internet, and that cannot be made public / leaked ? of course i would like to have no NDA here, but honestly, it can't happen :/ if you tell them "no nda", they will cancel the trip immediatly... Then whats the point with wasting thousands of euros on their trip?
Jita Alternate	Posted - 2011.06.26 23:53:00 - [94] /signed I want this answered quick and publicly, or you lose my business.
LIOZTH Caldari Divide By Zero Emergent Dawn	Posted - 2011.06.26 23:59:00 - [95] /signed, there will not be any ****ing over today, or ever again!
Zarlis Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:03:00 - [96] totally agree Chlorine, coming to the space pool near you. Get your goggles at the Aurum store. Greed is good.pdf
Ohforgetaboutit	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:18:00 - [97] bump
Yarrrrrhh	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:37:00 - [98] Bump.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.27 09:51:00 - [99] Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 09:51:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Sb7IZQOsc Can't agree more. This meeting should even have been filmed. Anything short of total transparency isn't going to convert ex-customers. It will just go to show they still don't "get it". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc FINALLY SOME TRUTH!!
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.27 09:56:00 - [100] Originally by: Mekhana Broadcast it live like the AT. You guys don't need to make it flashy. Just no ping pong... Ambulation... because spaceships don't have wallets.
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:00:00 - [101] Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 27/06/2011 10:01:06 Originally by: Raid'En hym guys, sorry to interrupt the party but... you realize that if CCP is calling them on iceland it's cause they want them to show things they can't show them through internet, and that cannot be made public / leaked ? of course i would like to have no NDA here, but honestly, it can't happen :/ if you tell them "no nda", they will cancel the trip immediatly... Then whats the F U C K I N G point of having the CSM over there? Its really simple, I want to be able to see the whites of their eyes when the questions we have are put to them. TBH if CCP show the CSM their plans for MT and tell them its under NDA, they have achieved NOTHING and the bleeding of subs will continue.
Chuffer	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:03:00 - [102] Lol @ whiny noobs thinking you can demand things. You'll get meeting notes or some other announcement AFTER the meeting and you'll be happy with it. Either that or just get on with it and cancel your subs ffs. There's only so much threatening and crying you can do before it becomes meaningless, and we already have a 395 page threadnought for that.
Astenion Gallente Spiritus Draconis	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:11:00 - [103] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Originally by: BeanBagKing While I'd love to see the type of transparency your talking about, even I have to say it's an unreasonable request. I can't think of another company that would even hold the door open to their players. The CSM sees things that, for good reason, the average player shouldn't see. Let them do their job and report back so we can make up our minds. Why? IS the CSM suddenly 100% representative of the EVE online player base? Is it 50%? Not even close. It is in CCP's best interest to talk to US. CSM does not have their livelihoods on the line if things go south, CCP does. We want them to talk to the community, not a handful of people we may or may not agree with. Do you know how a democracy works? You know, people vote for the ones they want to represent them... Do YOU know how a democracy works? What you're speaking of is a republic, not a democracy.
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:13:00 - [104] Not going to happen and for DAMN good reason. Just today I watched idiots in this community pick apart every letter of every word of CCP Zulus post. Every word every letter is being turned into a conspiracy so think what would happen with instant knowledge of the meeting. However flying them at 1000+ USD a person means they want to use them as a bridge. So the NDA will be short and just long enough for a blog post or two before CSM can let loose. They HAVE to get this one right. Give them time or be a whiny ***** and leave.
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:16:00 - [105] /signed ___________________________________________ Hilmar in his childhood
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:17:00 - [106] Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig I want to be able to see the whites of their eyes when the questions we have are put to them. It should start like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZcEwHBAk8 DOGE-FUSE @2:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc FINALLY SOME TRUTH!!
Chris Liath Gallente Nex Exercitus Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:19:00 - [107] /signed "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:20:00 - [108] Originally by: OMGWTFResearch Not going to happen and for DAMN good reason. Just today I watched idiots in this community pick apart every letter of every word of CCP Zulus post. Every word every letter is being turned into a conspiracy so think what would happen with instant knowledge of the meeting. However flying them at 1000+ USD a person means they want to use them as a bridge. So the NDA will be short and just long enough for a blog post or two before CSM can let loose. They HAVE to get this one right. Give them time or be a whiny ***** and leave. On the other hand: the NDA means the community will trust CCP a lot less and will resort to reading between the line in order to try and get to the truth, even if they have to make one up for themselves. And it will always be the one that's the worst possible that the most people will believe. This is not the time for secrecy. It is NDA's that allow CCP to keep messing up. Not getting feedback before stupid ideas have been implemented too far to stop. And anything they are going to implement comes out at some point anyway. Might as well try to involve the community as much as possible to minimize the fallout. + 1500 votes on MT in EVE \| NO 79.03% \| YES 5.02% \| COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% \| OTHER 4.73%
Tolaskar Hardrada Men of Providence	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:26:00 - [109] Originally by: Mr Epeen Originally by: Lucilla Giulia Originally by: Mr Epeen and can be safely ignored. gonna save this for future reference btw u shouldn't go back fondling yr epeen? Now that's not right. I never resort to personal attacks. Oh...hold on a sec...actually I do. Nice response moron. I hope you didn't gum up your keyboard with Cheetos dust while pecking it out. By the way, capitalization, punctuation and basic grammar lessons wouldn't hurt if you want to pretend you are an adult. Mr Epeen U mad bro? I think a nerve got hit.
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:32:00 - [110] Originally by: Tobiaz Originally by: OMGWTFResearch Not going to happen and for DAMN good reason. Just today I watched idiots in this community pick apart every letter of every word of CCP Zulus post. Every word every letter is being turned into a conspiracy so think what would happen with instant knowledge of the meeting. However flying them at 1000+ USD a person means they want to use them as a bridge. So the NDA will be short and just long enough for a blog post or two before CSM can let loose. They HAVE to get this one right. Give them time or be a whiny ***** and leave. On the other hand: the NDA means the community will trust CCP a lot less and will resort to reading between the line in order to try and get to the truth, even if they have to make one up for themselves. And it will always be the one that's the worst possible that the most people will believe. This is not the time for secrecy. It is NDA's that allow CCP to keep messing up. Not getting feedback before stupid ideas have been implemented too far to stop. And anything they are going to implement comes out at some point anyway. Might as well try to involve the community as much as possible to minimize the fallout. An NDA of a day or two isn't that big of a deal.
Sergio Ling Wormhole Exploration Co.	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:32:00 - [111] why? what do CCP owe you or anyone? _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
RAW23	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:42:00 - [112] Originally by: Sergio Ling why? what do CCP owe you or anyone? Service. Paid for in advance in minimum blocks of a month at a time.
Tegrah	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:55:00 - [113] /signed Everything needs to be public for there to be any confidence in the process.
Souverainiste Corsairs Inc. Waterboard	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:01:00 - [114] Even if this thread is useless because they do things without asking anyone nor the CSM... /signed.
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:04:00 - [115] Originally by: Mr Epeen Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Have you ever considered that CCP is not in a position to dictate anything anymore? Have considered that it is actually you who is in no position to dictate anything? With a few keystrokes, CCP can make you disappear forever. Can you do the same to them? +1
Leontyne Gaterau Gallente EVE University	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:16:00 - [116] Originally by: Baden Luskan if only you people got so worked up over real life poloticts..... Seriously, I wonder how many people who've been sustaining their rage bothered to vote in their last local election.
Kara Kugisa	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:17:00 - [117] Edited by: Kara Kugisa on 27/06/2011 11:19:51 Originally by: Astenion Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Originally by: BeanBagKing While I'd love to see the type of transparency your talking about, even I have to say it's an unreasonable request. I can't think of another company that would even hold the door open to their players. The CSM sees things that, for good reason, the average player shouldn't see. Let them do their job and report back so we can make up our minds. Why? IS the CSM suddenly 100% representative of the EVE online player base? Is it 50%? Not even close. It is in CCP's best interest to talk to US. CSM does not have their livelihoods on the line if things go south, CCP does. We want them to talk to the community, not a handful of people we may or may not agree with. Do you know how a democracy works? You know, people vote for the ones they want to represent them... Do YOU know how a democracy works? What you're speaking of is a republic, not a democracy. Strangely thats how it works in England and we are certainly not a republic.... Democracy : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections. The CSM are elected to represent all of us.
Rrama Ratamnim	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:20:00 - [118] /signed, NDA should be suspended for this meeting or atleast the portion that deals with the problem at hand, trust needs to be rebuilt
Vaya DeLopasz	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:24:00 - [119] while the internet taught us to never meet in person, and some people prefer emails, phones or other means of non personal non stressing forms of communication, to be honest from work experience: If you meet in person, discussions are always more fruitful It makes perfectly sense to fly over those people and shows actually that CCP does care about the situation. Also note that While Internetz is fast and uber, teams above 3 people (so basicly any team) needs a bit of time to formulate press conference material Don't expect things to be solved as fast as you personally would like it to, because patience is virtue. Finally: I really suggest the first meeting being not public, but do encourage an open discussion to see how things are going And If CCP creates a livestream about their open discussions, NDA does not count anyway, since its the company releasing information Lets just wait guys.
KoffeeKup Caldari Gh0st Hunters Sspectre	Posted - 2011.06.27 12:53:00 - [120] Guys i think its already too late. The have been planning this for awhile and everything is going as planned. They knew we would be mad. They knew there would be a spike in the forums. They just don't ****ing care. And if you think you can make them care you can't. In a few months the golden stuff is going to come out and there will be a large number of players who get these items and will actually enjoy them. Everyone will still have a job at CCP, Zulu will have his pants, and Hilmar will be sitting on a throne of gold and tears laughing at us all. Hell he's laughing now. The fight was lost when CCP made the call just a few years ago. Not enough players will quit Eve and people playing now will eventually accept the new changes made. Other game developers have done it, are continuing it and CCP is following the Easy Bake recipe. We'll be done in about 20 min.

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