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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:19:00 -
[1]
Any sort of non disclosure agreement for the CSM meeting is unacceptable. The meeting has to be recorded, live streamed, documented etc. to make sure you're not screwing us over now, or in the future.
We don't trust you CCP and the CSM meeting is your last chance.
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Novak Sarin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:20:00 -
[2]
/agrees
Some transparency for once please?
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:21:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Any sort of non disclosure agreement for the CSM meeting is unacceptable. The meeting has to be recorded, live streamed, documented etc. to make sure you're not screwing us over now, or in the future.
We don't trust you CCP and the CSM meeting is your last chance.
If it's any consolation, they don't trust you either.
Mr Epeen 
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:21:00 -
[4]
Yeah, cause that will happen after all the nonsense speculation that brewed out of that internal newsletter. Good thinking.
HABIT
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:22:00 -
[5]
/sign
I agree on this. You can hold a private meeting AFTER the public one on extremely sensitive issues like game design, etc that shouldn't be made public. Or before. Whichever you prefer.
The point is, we need transparency now, if CCP is to regain the playerbase's trust.
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Urah Dedman
Minmatar
DEEP-13
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:22:00 -
[6]
Totally agree. Enough BS twofaced doubletalk. Wide open meeting. live. uncensored.
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:22:00 -
[7]
While I'd love to see the type of transparency your talking about, even I have to say it's an unreasonable request. I can't think of another company that would even hold the door open to their players. The CSM sees things that, for good reason, the average player shouldn't see.
Let them do their job and report back so we can make up our minds.
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Mekhana
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:23:00 -
[8]
Broadcast it live like the AT. You guys don't need to make it flashy.
However if the CSM would like to ask questions made by the community or be asked questions by the community they could do that on the spot too.
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Amthor Khaji
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:24:00 -
[9]
/signed. |
Arkanus Malstrom
Amarr
Liquid Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:24:00 -
[10]
I support this fully. We have to know exactly to what our representatives are agreeing. This incident shows us that there needs to be more transparency in the CCP/Player relationship. That said, CCP should know the score and that a majority of the player base are against any sort of "gold items" ammo, vanity, or otherwise.
If anything that has an impact on gameplay elements, that is, that is not simply aesthetic, could be purchased via Aurum, I will cease to support CCP with any payments.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:25:00 -
[11]
To OP: don't be daft...first, the CSM is already under NDA. Second, NDA's are perfectly reasonable and should be expected.
~Gnosis~ |
Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
Sick Tight
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:25:00 -
[12]
Originally by: BeanBagKing
While I'd love to see the type of transparency your talking about, even I have to say it's an unreasonable request. I can't think of another company that would even hold the door open to their players. The CSM sees things that, for good reason, the average player shouldn't see.
Let them do their job and report back so we can make up our minds.
Why?
IS the CSM suddenly 100% representative of the EVE online player base? Is it 50%? Not even close.
It is in CCP's best interest to talk to US. CSM does not have their livelihoods on the line if things go south, CCP does. We want them to talk to the community, not a handful of people we may or may not agree with.
Originally by: McKinlay
When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:27:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Khamal Jolstien
Originally by: BeanBagKing
While I'd love to see the type of transparency your talking about, even I have to say it's an unreasonable request. I can't think of another company that would even hold the door open to their players. The CSM sees things that, for good reason, the average player shouldn't see.
Let them do their job and report back so we can make up our minds.
Why?
IS the CSM suddenly 100% representative of the EVE online player base? Is it 50%? Not even close.
It is in CCP's best interest to talk to US. CSM does not have their livelihoods on the line if things go south, CCP does. We want them to talk to the community, not a handful of people we may or may not agree with.
Do you know how a democracy works?
You know, people vote for the ones they want to represent them...
HABIT
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:27:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 26/06/2011 19:27:47
/signed
In fact, record the damn meeting.
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Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:29:00 -
[15]
would be nice... but I trust the CSM
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:30:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
I don't trust you CCP and the CSM meeting is your last chance.
I wish you guys would stop speaking for everyone, because the amount of players logged in probably disagree with you.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:30:00 -
[17]
They shoudl SERIOUSLY consider Live Stream.
they can do it for CHESS BOXING but cant do it for SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE TO THE GAME TODAY!!??!?!?!?!?!?
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:31:00 -
[18]
Originally by: J Kunjeh
To OP: don't be daft...first, the CSM is already under NDA. Second, NDA's are perfectly reasonable and should be expected.
I'm fine if they cover to-be-developed stuff. When it involves a significant disconnect between CCP and the playerbase, the NDA can and should be ignored.
So this is actually as big of a play for the CSM as well - if any of the CSMs try to use this meeting as an attempt to get more answers on things that have less immediacy (like Sov balancing), it's going to hurt that CSM's reputation.
So by going public with this meeting, both sides have just as much to lose.
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Peter Greed
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:32:00 -
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You know....
This is probably the ONE THING that every single Eve player can agree with.
Not that it matters much, but if this is agreed to, I will personally buy 5 monocles to help fund the trip.
Great idea.
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Haeri
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:32:00 -
[20]
Live streaming would be great. (Psst CCP, ad revenue!)
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Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd
AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:33:00 -
[21]
Edited by: Radix Salvilines on 26/06/2011 19:35:32
/SIGNED
not gonna happen
EDIT: on the other hand they might consider selling streaming tokens in Noble Store. You pay one plex and you can watch the live stream...
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Elaine Eza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:34:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Haeri
Live streaming would be great. (Psst CCP, ad revenue!)
lol. live stream with commercial breaks for nex shop items |
Peter Greed
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:34:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Peter Greed on 26/06/2011 19:34:58
Yes.
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Solus Starcunning
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:35:00 -
[24]
/signed.
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Largo Fate
Minmatar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:36:00 -
[25]
absolutely
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Langoss
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:36:00 -
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i want online TV commentation from CM meeting
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
Sick Tight
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:37:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Khamal Jolstien
Originally by: BeanBagKing
While I'd love to see the type of transparency your talking about, even I have to say it's an unreasonable request. I can't think of another company that would even hold the door open to their players. The CSM sees things that, for good reason, the average player shouldn't see.
Let them do their job and report back so we can make up our minds.
Why?
IS the CSM suddenly 100% representative of the EVE online player base? Is it 50%? Not even close.
It is in CCP's best interest to talk to US. CSM does not have their livelihoods on the line if things go south, CCP does. We want them to talk to the community, not a handful of people we may or may not agree with.
Do you know how a democracy works?
You know, people vote for the ones they want to represent them...
This is a game, not a government.
Originally by: McKinlay
When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
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Doctor Garamond Trebuchet
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:37:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Mekhana
Broadcast it live like the AT. You guys don't need to make it flashy.
However if the CSM would like to ask questions made by the community or be asked questions by the community they could do that on the spot too.
Why cant you do this and take questions via twitter?
Trust is a two way street but secrecy is a massive pothole. We will be eager to help you grow and fix this. People even offered to pay MORE PER MONTH TO HELP!
I however dont believe in double dipping. You want AUR? remove the monthly fee.
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Coffee the Elixir of Life.
CAS 101
Where is my Lab Coat? Monacle??? How about Microscope and Coats for [b]ISK[/ |
Lucilla Giulia
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:37:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Do you know how a democracy works?
You know, people vote for the ones they want to represent them...
yes sadly this is not a democracy, we'r talking of a private company, so CSM is more like some sort of Labor Union/Trade Union...
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Ohforgetaboutit
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:41:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Doctor Garamond Trebuchet
Originally by: Mekhana
Broadcast it live like the AT. You guys don't need to make it flashy.
However if the CSM would like to ask questions made by the community or be asked questions by the community they could do that on the spot too.
Why cant you do this and take questions via twitter?
Trust is a two way street but secrecy is a massive pothole. We will be eager to help you grow and fix this. People even offered to pay MORE PER MONTH TO HELP!
I however dont believe in double dipping. You want AUR? remove the monthly fee.
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Bayushi Tamago
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:51:00 -
[31]
I think it would be interesting to have a glimpse into the discussion of the events etc of the past week seeing as we are all paying customers. Transparency is something CCP needs to do to regain some of the lost trust.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:52:00 -
[32]
/signed!
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Sceta
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
[33]
Signed
_____________________
<The UFF movement>
Want to know more? |
Anna Grahm
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
We don't trust you CCP
Speak for yourself.
I am NOT an alt! |
Fire Watch
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:04:00 -
[35]
Erm... the CSM does not represent the community.
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Peter Greed
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:06:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Anna Grahm
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
We don't trust you CCP
Speak for yourself.
He can speak for me.
Therefore, "we" is the correct usage, and "you" can tell "us" why "they" deserve that trust.
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Markus Jome
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 -
[37]
+
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BolsterBomb
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 -
[38]
broadcast live solves the problem
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 -
[39]
I want the CSM to get off the plane and go to some terrible dive bar and get trashed, and live stream eating whale steaks.
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SilentSkills
Gallente
Tax Evaders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:11:00 -
[40]
would be nice
The Monocle Definition
The Epic Door Thread
http://im |
Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:12:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
I want the CSM to get off the plane and go to some terrible dive bar and get trashed, and live stream eating whale steaks.
I also want them to do this while drinking imported cases of terrible American beer (like Steel Reserve or Natty ice), and all of them wearing real-life monocles. I will personally pay for the monocles if the CSMs are poor, but I know that mittens isn't so he should be good for his own monocle.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Nuhm DeAra
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
I don't trust you CCP and the CSM meeting is your last chance.
I wish you guys would stop speaking for everyone, because the amount of players logged in probably disagree with you.
Because people shouldn't use the services they payed for?
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Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:19:00 -
[43]
ok reality check time
anything they tell the CSMs in public will be things that they want or feel safe releasing to the public.
thats happening now
anything they dont want to tell the CSMs. . . they bloody will not tell the CSMs unless they have a binding nda.
end of story.
saying make them live will not realy change that, they will just not tell the csms anything they dont want made public.
and thus reduce the level of feedback
.End of line.
If your too paranoid to play EvE. . .
...then your not paranoid enough to play EvE
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Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:20:00 -
[44]
meetings should definitely be made public. At this phase, transparency is utterly paramount.
Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
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Vector Aeon
Ghosts of Ragnarok
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:20:00 -
[45]
I don't really care about the NDA and the CSM meeting, but I do have a monocle.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:21:00 -
[46]
And..
have everyone on their underwear.
NO PANTS!
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Originally by: CCP Guard
Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:21:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Steve Thomas
ok reality check time
anything they tell the CSMs in public will be things that they want or feel safe releasing to the public.
thats happening now
anything they dont want to tell the CSMs. . . they bloody will not tell the CSMs unless they have a binding nda.
end of story.
saying make them live will not realy change that, they will just not tell the csms anything they dont want made public.
and thus reduce the level of feedback
Have you ever considered that CCP is not in a position to dictate anything anymore?
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:25:00 -
[48]
the fact that you feel the need of a CSM meeting to get this resolved somewhat means that there is stuff that you are attemting to hide again with the whole NDA the CSM is under and the fact that you seem more inclined to address them rather than everyone else that this really concerns, either this whole meeting is made open for public via EVE-TV or you make a transcript ( a FULL one) or this is just gunna put more fuel on the fire
Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected]) |
Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:25:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Aessaya on 26/06/2011 20:25:44
Well, tbh, CCP brought all of this "speculation" about the leaked documents on themselves. If they just went public straight after the docs were leaked, it would cause much less damage than it caused now. You know what happens if a fire is left unattended.
And yes, maximum publicity for this CSM meting, please. Its the CSM who are bound by the NDA, but if info is coming directly from CCP (or CCP-approved media) then it is not an NDA breech.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:26:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Steve Thomas
ok reality check time
anything they tell the CSMs in public will be things that they want or feel safe releasing to the public.
thats happening now
anything they dont want to tell the CSMs. . . they bloody will not tell the CSMs unless they have a binding nda.
end of story.
saying make them live will not realy change that, they will just not tell the csms anything they dont want made public.
and thus reduce the level of feedback
Have you ever considered that CCP is not in a position to dictate anything anymore?
Have considered that it is actually you who is in no position to dictate anything?
With a few keystrokes, CCP can make you disappear forever. Can you do the same to them?
Mr Epeen
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Kalaarac
Le Souffle D'Erevos
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:26:00 -
[51]
/agree
I don't know if it's acceptable/possible to dream about live stream or such. But yes revoke the nda would be a necessary action to give a chance to ccp to regain our trust.
i trust csm members to report through different channels(radio, report, etc ...) wht will be said and decided.
Sry for my english |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:28:00 -
[52]
Exactly as per the AT, screen it live to everyone.
Signed
CCP: Consistency since 2003 |
Noriko Meigetsu
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:29:00 -
[53]
Yup, totally agree to that.
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
The 8th Order
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:36:00 -
[54]
The only reason they would want an NDA is if they have something to hide at this point, full transparency is the only option.
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Khanid Voltar
Night's Dawn Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:39:00 -
[55]
/signed, and would totally buy a monocle if this were to happen.
Don't think it will though.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:40:00 -
[56]
Supported.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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P0le Dancer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:41:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Steve Thomas
ok reality check time
anything they tell the CSMs in public will be things that they want or feel safe releasing to the public.
thats happening now
anything they dont want to tell the CSMs. . . they bloody will not tell the CSMs unless they have a binding nda.
end of story.
saying make them live will not realy change that, they will just not tell the csms anything they dont want made public.
and thus reduce the level of feedback
Have you ever considered that CCP is not in a position to dictate anything anymore?
Have considered that it is actually you who is in no position to dictate anything?
With a few keystrokes, CCP can make you disappear forever. Can you do the same to them?
Mr Epeen
Your stupidity is staggering. To suggest that ccp is going to delete thousands of accounts just because those paying customers disagree with the corporate direction is naive at best. Conversely, those thousands of accounts can simply quit and deny ccp the revenue they crave, can they do the same to us? I'll still have a job and you'll still live in your moms basement, so no, they can't dictate ****.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:50:00 -
[58]
Originally by: P0le Dancer
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Steve Thomas
ok reality check time
anything they tell the CSMs in public will be things that they want or feel safe releasing to the public.
thats happening now
anything they dont want to tell the CSMs. . . they bloody will not tell the CSMs unless they have a binding nda.
end of story.
saying make them live will not realy change that, they will just not tell the csms anything they dont want made public.
and thus reduce the level of feedback
Have you ever considered that CCP is not in a position to dictate anything anymore?
Have considered that it is actually you who is in no position to dictate anything?
With a few keystrokes, CCP can make you disappear forever. Can you do the same to them?
Mr Epeen
Your stupidity is staggering. To suggest that ccp is going to delete thousands of accounts just because those paying customers disagree with the corporate direction is naive at best. Conversely, those thousands of accounts can simply quit and deny ccp the revenue they crave, can they do the same to us? I'll still have a job and you'll still live in your moms basement, so no, they can't dictate ****.
qft
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Ded Moroz
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:51:00 -
[59]
while the idea is great, it might actually hinder negotiations. NDAs are there for a reason, main being protection of the company, mainly from competition.
It would be completely impossible to have these negotiations be public, because inevitably some ideas that CCP might use for competitive advantage in the industry would become public. Having this much information out in public could be very bad also, because we all know how information can be used out of context by malicious parties.
Now a live discussion with CSM/DEVs after negotiations are complete on something like eve radio or IRC chan would be absolutely great.
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Jayem See
Caldari
Extreme Freedom
Corcoran State
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:51:00 -
[60]
+1 Get it out live and lets hear the nitty-gritty truth. We're not idiots so don't treat us as such. Time for a bit of face-saving.
Whatever - Not Interested TBH |
Randal Eirikr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:53:00 -
[61]
Stream it, end any and all doubt one way or the other, once and for all.
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Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:54:00 -
[62]
The NDA break has doomed the CSM. CCP will never tell or show them anything 'secret' ever again after this farce.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:57:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Ded Moroz
while the idea is great, it might actually hinder negotiations. NDAs are there for a reason, main being protection of the company, mainly from competition.
CCP has nothing to lose. They'll need no competition to wreck the company if this fails. Also there is no need to discuss anything but MT and their future at the meeting. The results of it have to be clear and if they aren't, subscriptions will drop even further which would mean the end of CCP anyway.
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Tetragammatron Prime
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:59:00 -
[64]
Put your trust in Mittani and his little goatie beard he uses to tickle his dog's privates.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:00:00 -
[65]
NO NDA
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A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:00:00 -
[66]
Originally by: P0le Dancer
Conversely, those thousands of accounts can simply quit and deny ccp the revenue they crave, can they do the same to us?
Those thousands of accts have already quit.
You people have shown your hand, CCP is calling you bluff.
Do you man up and biomass or cave?
In any case you are in no position to dictate how they run their meetings. You are a very vocal, very minor part of the player base and can be safely ignored.
But keep deluding yourselves that you are somehow worthy of setting CCP policy. It amuses me.
Mr Epeen
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:02:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
It amuses me.
That feeling is mutual.
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Montevius Williams
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:06:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 26/06/2011 19:31:00
Any sort of non disclosure agreement for the CSM meeting is unacceptable. The meeting has to be recorded, live streamed, documented etc. to make sure you're not screwing us over now, or in the future.
We don't trust you CCP and the CSM meeting is your last chance.
EDIT: And yeah, I know that the CSM is already under NDA. Suspend it for this occasion.
GTFO - CCP should just end the CSM. It's obvious it doesnt work as CCP doesnt care to listen to them or no one on the CSM is influential enough to push change. Maybe a combination of both.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:09:00 -
[69]
You know what? This is actually a good idea....
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Lucilla Giulia
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:12:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
and can be safely ignored.
gonna save this for future reference
btw u shouldn't go back fondling yr epeen?
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Vaako Horizon
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:19:00 -
[71]
Streaming is a nice idea :D
Also ( off topic warning ), why clothes in the noble exchange :P they should have made some kind of item that allowed poeple to have their corp logo nicely placed somewhere on the ship ( now that I whould pay for )
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Baden Luskan
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:22:00 -
[72]
if only you people got so worked up over real life poloticts.....
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:29:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Lucilla Giulia
Originally by: Mr Epeen
and can be safely ignored.
gonna save this for future reference
btw u shouldn't go back fondling yr epeen?
Now that's not right. I never resort to personal attacks.
Oh...hold on a sec...actually I do.
Nice response moron. I hope you didn't gum up your keyboard with Cheetos dust while pecking it out.
By the way, capitalization, punctuation and basic grammar lessons wouldn't hurt if you want to pretend you are an adult.
Mr Epeen
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:39:00 -
[74]
Good idea OP ! It's not going to happen but a good idea nevertheless :).
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Mehta Mezhan
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:39:00 -
[75]
/signed.
This is their last chance.
If this meeting doesn't go well I'm done.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:47:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
By the way, capitalization, punctuation and basic grammar lessons wouldn't hurt if you want to pretend you are an adult.
And what do I have to do to get your attention again? I always wanted my own monkey who's following me around and making weird noises.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:54:00 -
[77]
I don't know about having it televised, but unless I'm mistaken, we're still waiting on the CSM minutes from May.
That kind of delay simply won't be acceptable this time. We need official statements from both the CSM and CCP immediately following the meeting, and if possible, at various stages during.
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Smeedly
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:55:00 -
[78]
I trust the CSMs will represent us well. The chairman is a level-headed player who agrees with what most of us are saying.
They just need to play hardball. We don't non-vanity items for AUR/in the NEX/ for $. Don't **** with the sandbox.
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Baillif
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:56:00 -
[79]
The meeting should be 100% transparent.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:56:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
And what do I have to do to get your attention again?
Just keep being you, brother. Keep being you.
Like a bee to honey, I am irresistibly attracted to to arrogant forum inbreeds.
Too bad you quit. I'd look forward to tea-bagging you once Incarna was fully deployed. That's the kind of respect you deserve.
Mr Epeen
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R2 D3
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:59:00 -
[81]
just wondering do you have problems trusting ccp or the csm?
If you want ccp to even tell sensitive information regarding future strategies and the csm to stand up for the playerbase over it.
Why should they do it in public. I think ccp will be very open towards csm @ this point. And we should trust csm into voicing the player opinion.
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Kalaarac
Le Souffle D'Erevos
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:01:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Kalaarac on 26/06/2011 22:03:46
Yes ! i think we got problem trusting ccp
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Murev Vorchilde
Caldari
End Game.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:01:00 -
[83]
I trust the csm a lil more than ccp so not expecting much 
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:02:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Khamal Jolstien
Originally by: BeanBagKing
While I'd love to see the type of transparency your talking about, even I have to say it's an unreasonable request. I can't think of another company that would even hold the door open to their players. The CSM sees things that, for good reason, the average player shouldn't see.
Let them do their job and report back so we can make up our minds.
Why?
IS the CSM suddenly 100% representative of the EVE online player base? Is it 50%? Not even close.
It is in CCP's best interest to talk to US. CSM does not have their livelihoods on the line if things go south, CCP does. We want them to talk to the community, not a handful of people we may or may not agree with.
Do you know how a democracy works?
You know, people vote for the ones they want to represent them...
Actually, that's a republic.
To the op: Disagree. In fact, I think CCP should cease all further communications, close down the CSM, and ban all devs from posting, tweeting, or otherwise talking with anybody.
Every single word they say will be picked and prodded and twisted and manipulated until it's in the absolute worse light. Don't agree? Check out their wonderful lies! (fail clicky, but link is below).
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1539268&page=2
Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze |
Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:09:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 26/06/2011 22:10:57
Originally by: R2 D3
just wondering do you have problems trusting ccp or the csm?
Both actually, so yea, it has to be public (if not streamed, at least no NDA)
@CSM i know you are not fully at fault here, but in one way or another this completely slipped by you, so you are not that attentive or don't have many friends at CCP that would tell you something secret, and if we know that at least one of you worked there, thats disturbing at this point.
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C2 H5 OH
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:21:00 -
[86]
It's not going to happen, just drop it.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:22:00 -
[87]
It'd be great, but it probably won't happen.
_____
This is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change. |
Ohforgetaboutit
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:38:00 -
[88]
bump
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:44:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 26/06/2011 23:44:56
No NDA with regards to any subject involving the matter of RMT
and does not violate personal rights.
We dont want accidential orbital bombardment dont we.
Lets all stay kind of civil and amarian.
*HandsOutTorches*
/signed
Sandbox or Death! |
Zhula Guixgrixks
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:49:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Mekhana
Broadcast it live like the AT. You guys don't need to make it flashy.
TRUST
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:51:00 -
[91]
hym guys, sorry to interrupt the party but...
you realize that if CCP is calling them on iceland it's cause they want them to show things they can't show them through internet, and that cannot be made public / leaked ?
of course i would like to have no NDA here, but honestly, it can't happen :/
if you tell them "no nda", they will cancel the trip immediatly...
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:52:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Raid'En
you realize that if CCP is calling them on iceland it's cause they want them to show things they can't show them through internet, and that cannot be made public / leaked ?
a) They can do that after the meeting when the important stuff has been figured out.
b) No, that's not the reason. CCP just wants to buy time.
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Fire Watch
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:52:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Raid'En
hym guys, sorry to interrupt the party but...
you realize that if CCP is calling them on iceland it's cause they want them to show things they can't show them through internet, and that cannot be made public / leaked ?
of course i would like to have no NDA here, but honestly, it can't happen :/
if you tell them "no nda", they will cancel the trip immediatly...
Then whats the point with wasting thousands of euros on their trip?
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Jita Alternate
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:53:00 -
[94]
/signed
I want this answered quick and publicly, or you lose my business.
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LIOZTH
Caldari
Divide By Zero
Emergent Dawn
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:59:00 -
[95]
/signed, there will not be any ****ing over today, or ever again!
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Zarlis
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:03:00 -
[96]
totally agree
Chlorine, coming to the space pool near you. Get your goggles at the Aurum store. Greed is good.pdf |
Ohforgetaboutit
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:18:00 -
[97]
bump
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:37:00 -
[98]
Bump.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:51:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 09:51:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Sb7IZQOsc
Can't agree more.
This meeting should even have been filmed.
Anything short of total transparency isn't going to convert ex-customers.
It will just go to show they still don't "get it".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:56:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Mekhana
Broadcast it live like the AT. You guys don't need to make it flashy.
Just no ping pong...
Ambulation... because spaceships don't have wallets. |
Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:00:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 27/06/2011 10:01:06
Originally by: Raid'En
hym guys, sorry to interrupt the party but...
you realize that if CCP is calling them on iceland it's cause they want them to show things they can't show them through internet, and that cannot be made public / leaked ?
of course i would like to have no NDA here, but honestly, it can't happen :/
if you tell them "no nda", they will cancel the trip immediatly...
Then whats the F U C K I N G point of having the CSM over there? Its really simple, I want to be able to see the whites of their eyes when the questions we have are put to them. TBH if CCP show the CSM their plans for MT and tell them its under NDA, they have achieved NOTHING and the bleeding of subs will continue.
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Chuffer
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:03:00 -
[102]
Lol @ whiny noobs thinking you can demand things. You'll get meeting notes or some other announcement AFTER the meeting and you'll be happy with it. Either that or just get on with it and cancel your subs ffs. There's only so much threatening and crying you can do before it becomes meaningless, and we already have a 395 page threadnought for that.
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Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:11:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Khamal Jolstien
Originally by: BeanBagKing
While I'd love to see the type of transparency your talking about, even I have to say it's an unreasonable request. I can't think of another company that would even hold the door open to their players. The CSM sees things that, for good reason, the average player shouldn't see.
Let them do their job and report back so we can make up our minds.
Why?
IS the CSM suddenly 100% representative of the EVE online player base? Is it 50%? Not even close.
It is in CCP's best interest to talk to US. CSM does not have their livelihoods on the line if things go south, CCP does. We want them to talk to the community, not a handful of people we may or may not agree with.
Do you know how a democracy works?
You know, people vote for the ones they want to represent them...
Do YOU know how a democracy works? What you're speaking of is a republic, not a democracy.
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OMGWTFResearch
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:13:00 -
[104]
Not going to happen and for DAMN good reason.
Just today I watched idiots in this community pick apart every letter of every word of CCP Zulus post. Every word every letter is being turned into a conspiracy so think what would happen with instant knowledge of the meeting.
However flying them at 1000+ USD a person means they want to use them as a bridge. So the NDA will be short and just long enough for a blog post or two before CSM can let loose.
They HAVE to get this one right. Give them time or be a whiny ***** and leave.
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Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:16:00 -
[105]
/signed
___________________________________________
Hilmar in his childhood
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:17:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
I want to be able to see the whites of their eyes when the questions we have are put to them.
It should start like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZcEwHBAk8
DOGE-FUSE @2:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Chris Liath
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:19:00 -
[107]
/signed
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:20:00 -
[108]
Originally by: OMGWTFResearch
Not going to happen and for DAMN good reason.
Just today I watched idiots in this community pick apart every letter of every word of CCP Zulus post. Every word every letter is being turned into a conspiracy so think what would happen with instant knowledge of the meeting.
However flying them at 1000+ USD a person means they want to use them as a bridge. So the NDA will be short and just long enough for a blog post or two before CSM can let loose.
They HAVE to get this one right. Give them time or be a whiny ***** and leave.
On the other hand: the NDA means the community will trust CCP a lot less and will resort to reading between the line in order to try and get to the truth, even if they have to make one up for themselves. And it will always be the one that's the worst possible that the most people will believe.
This is not the time for secrecy.
It is NDA's that allow CCP to keep messing up. Not getting feedback before stupid ideas have been implemented too far to stop. And anything they are going to implement comes out at some point anyway. Might as well try to involve the community as much as possible to minimize the fallout.
+ 1500 votes on MT in EVE | NO 79.03% | YES 5.02% | COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% | OTHER 4.73% |
Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:26:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Lucilla Giulia
Originally by: Mr Epeen
and can be safely ignored.
gonna save this for future reference
btw u shouldn't go back fondling yr epeen?
Now that's not right. I never resort to personal attacks.
Oh...hold on a sec...actually I do.
Nice response moron. I hope you didn't gum up your keyboard with Cheetos dust while pecking it out.
By the way, capitalization, punctuation and basic grammar lessons wouldn't hurt if you want to pretend you are an adult.
Mr Epeen
U mad bro?
I think a nerve got hit.
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OMGWTFResearch
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:32:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Tobiaz
Originally by: OMGWTFResearch
Not going to happen and for DAMN good reason.
Just today I watched idiots in this community pick apart every letter of every word of CCP Zulus post. Every word every letter is being turned into a conspiracy so think what would happen with instant knowledge of the meeting.
However flying them at 1000+ USD a person means they want to use them as a bridge. So the NDA will be short and just long enough for a blog post or two before CSM can let loose.
They HAVE to get this one right. Give them time or be a whiny ***** and leave.
On the other hand: the NDA means the community will trust CCP a lot less and will resort to reading between the line in order to try and get to the truth, even if they have to make one up for themselves. And it will always be the one that's the worst possible that the most people will believe.
This is not the time for secrecy.
It is NDA's that allow CCP to keep messing up. Not getting feedback before stupid ideas have been implemented too far to stop. And anything they are going to implement comes out at some point anyway. Might as well try to involve the community as much as possible to minimize the fallout.
An NDA of a day or two isn't that big of a deal.
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Sergio Ling
Wormhole Exploration Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:32:00 -
[111]
why? what do CCP owe you or anyone?
_
BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL |
RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:42:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
why? what do CCP owe you or anyone?
Service. Paid for in advance in minimum blocks of a month at a time.
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Tegrah
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:55:00 -
[113]
/signed
Everything needs to be public for there to be any confidence in the process.
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Souverainiste
Corsairs Inc.
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:01:00 -
[114]
Even if this thread is useless because they do things without asking anyone nor the CSM...
/signed.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:04:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Have you ever considered that CCP is not in a position to dictate anything anymore?
Have considered that it is actually you who is in no position to dictate anything?
With a few keystrokes, CCP can make you disappear forever. Can you do the same to them?
+1 
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Leontyne Gaterau
Gallente
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:16:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Baden Luskan
if only you people got so worked up over real life poloticts.....
Seriously, I wonder how many people who've been sustaining their rage bothered to vote in their last local election.
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Kara Kugisa
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:17:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Kara Kugisa on 27/06/2011 11:19:51
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Khamal Jolstien
Originally by: BeanBagKing
While I'd love to see the type of transparency your talking about, even I have to say it's an unreasonable request. I can't think of another company that would even hold the door open to their players. The CSM sees things that, for good reason, the average player shouldn't see.
Let them do their job and report back so we can make up our minds.
Why?
IS the CSM suddenly 100% representative of the EVE online player base? Is it 50%? Not even close.
It is in CCP's best interest to talk to US. CSM does not have their livelihoods on the line if things go south, CCP does. We want them to talk to the community, not a handful of people we may or may not agree with.
Do you know how a democracy works?
You know, people vote for the ones they want to represent them...
Do YOU know how a democracy works? What you're speaking of is a republic, not a democracy.
Strangely thats how it works in England and we are certainly not a republic....
Democracy : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
The CSM are elected to represent all of us.
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Rrama Ratamnim
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:20:00 -
[118]
/signed, NDA should be suspended for this meeting or atleast the portion that deals with the problem at hand, trust needs to be rebuilt
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Vaya DeLopasz
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:24:00 -
[119]
while the internet taught us to never meet in person, and some people prefer emails, phones or other means of non personal non stressing forms of communication, to be honest from work experience:
If you meet in person, discussions are always more fruitful
It makes perfectly sense to fly over those people and shows actually that CCP does care about the situation.
Also note that
While Internetz is fast and uber, teams above 3 people (so basicly any team) needs a bit of time to formulate press conference material
Don't expect things to be solved as fast as you personally would like it to, because patience is virtue.
Finally:
I really suggest the first meeting being not public, but do encourage an open discussion to see how things are going
And
If CCP creates a livestream about their open discussions, NDA does not count anyway, since its the company releasing information
Lets just wait guys.
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KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:53:00 -
[120]
Guys i think its already too late. The have been planning this for awhile and everything is going as planned. They knew we would be mad. They knew there would be a spike in the forums. They just don't ****ing care. And if you think you can make them care you can't. In a few months the golden stuff is going to come out and there will be a large number of players who get these items and will actually enjoy them. Everyone will still have a job at CCP, Zulu will have his pants, and Hilmar will be sitting on a throne of gold and tears laughing at us all. Hell he's laughing now.
The fight was lost when CCP made the call just a few years ago. Not enough players will quit Eve and people playing now will eventually accept the new changes made. Other game developers have done it, are continuing it and CCP is following the Easy Bake recipe. We'll be done in about 20 min.
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:56:00 -
[121]
Whats the point of telling things to the CSM that they cant tell the playerbase?
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:57:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Whats the point of telling things to the CSM that they cant tell the playerbase?
So that they can string more players up with renewed subs while they are waiting for meeting minutes for few months? 
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:35:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Juliette DuBois
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Whats the point of telling things to the CSM that they cant tell the playerbase?
So that they can string more players up with renewed subs while they are waiting for meeting minutes for few months?
Even under NDA they didn't tell them too much it seems.
The minutes are a joke anyway, scorp issue amounted to "Oh good you all agree. What problem I don't get it? Oh ok we'll put it in as a trial out-of-thin-air item. Gotta run!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Arias Dren
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:37:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Any sort of non disclosure agreement for the CSM meeting is unacceptable. The meeting has to be recorded, live streamed, documented etc. to make sure you're not screwing us over now, or in the future.
We don't trust you CCP and the CSM meeting is your last chance.
If it's any consolation, they don't trust you either.
Mr Epeen
How predictable. Mr (Small)Epeen taking a pro-CCP stance over his fellow players. *yawn*
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Lucius Tal
Minmatar
Tal Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:51:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Mekhana
Broadcast it live like the AT. You guys don't need to make it flashy.
However if the CSM would like to ask questions made by the community or be asked questions by the community they could do that on the spot too.
And we could get Michael Bolton to moderate as he seems to be itching for a trip back to Iceland
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Your Stuff
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:04:00 -
[126]
/ signed
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:17:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Lucius Tal
Originally by: Mekhana
Broadcast it live like the AT. You guys don't need to make it flashy.
However if the CSM would like to ask questions made by the community or be asked questions by the community they could do that on the spot too.
And we could get Michael Bolton to moderate as he seems to be itching for a trip back to Iceland
:-D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Chogon Toil
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:19:00 -
[128]
/signed
Livestreamed PLEASE
recorded
We, the players, can't be there and voice our thoughts so at least let us see what happens as it happens.
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Dopesick
Minmatar
The Dream is Dead
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:22:00 -
[129]
This isn't going to happen. Not good business practice...
V-sig-V
Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not? |
Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:28:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Arias Dren
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Any sort of non disclosure agreement for the CSM meeting is unacceptable. The meeting has to be recorded, live streamed, documented etc. to make sure you're not screwing us over now, or in the future.
We don't trust you CCP and the CSM meeting is your last chance.
If it's any consolation, they don't trust you either.
Mr Epeen
How predictable. Mr (Small)Epeen taking a pro-CCP stance over his fellow players. *yawn*
You aren't my fellow players. You are my fellow ex-players.
You all quit, remember.
Quitter opinions are null and void.
CCP pays no attention what a few ex players have to moan about. They have enough on their plate.
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Bootleg Jack
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:33:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Novak Sarin
/agrees
Some transparency for once please?
In a private company?
What a bunch of drama queens 
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:38:00 -
[132]
Negotiations and discussions should always be behind closed doors... It doesnt really matter what is said between the two sides.. There are often heated arguments in these type of events...
All that matters is the end result.. and a restoration of peoples belief in CCP..
How they get there doesnt matter at all...
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:42:00 -
[133]
Of course, any sort of NDA is out of the question. But having it would make CCP's intentions completely clear. |
scepternine
Gallente
Malavita
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:44:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Benri Konpaku
Of course, any sort of NDA is out of the question. But having it would make CCP's intentions completely clear.
Yeah, that they're fully aware what a bunch of sperging crybabies out there that will throw temper tantrums at anything that isn't 100% their own opinion.
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari
Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:47:00 -
[135]
My whole problem with the NDA is this:
CCP can say whatever they want. They can say the CSM agreed with them and that's it. The CSM agrees with microtransactions for non-vanity items! And what can the CSM do without retribution? Nothing. If they come out and say, "Look, none of us agreed to that," they get booted and some BS excuse of "violating the NDA" comes along.
I've always been pretty opinionated. I've always been naive and believed that you should always do the right thing, even when no one is looking. If I were a CSM, I can promise you, I wouldn't let them try to pull the wool over our eyes. I would make sure that every aspect of the CSM they have told us it stands for would be adhered to. I may not have a say in the game design, and I may not be able to say, "This is how you will fix it", but I would make sure that the problems mentioned were addressed. I would make sure transparency was in order.
The NDA would never be signed by me. An NDA just adds more to cover up the internal affairs. And believe me, I can make a damn compelling argument, complete with legalese, as to how the CSM is not being followed through by CCP.
I would have a digital recorder. I would be certain that every attempt CCP made to sugarcoat and evade and sidestep was quickly shot down. I wouldn't let up on making sure we - the players - got the answers we were entitled to. Yes, I generally believe we are entitled to nothing in this game. However, we pay for this, and we've been lied to. If CCP was any type of intelligent, they would see that the answers they give and their actions after giving those answers would determine their jobs in six months, if not longer.
So the CSM needs to put their foot down. At the beginning of the meeting, make it clear: nothing gets done if the NDA remains active. If CCP won't budge, then the entire CSM hands in their resignations right then and there. And any alternates that are brought in do the same. If there's no faith in CCP from the CSM, then that should be a clear indication of how the playerbase will be.
That will b the driving force, as far as I'm concerned.
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Bootleg Jack
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Evalon Fury
Negotiations and discussions should always be behind closed doors... It doesnt really matter what is said between the two sides.. There are often heated arguments in these type of events...
All that matters is the end result.. and a restoration of peoples belief in CCP..
How they get there doesnt matter at all...
If you don't have confidence, then quit, what kind of fool are you paying a company you don't have confidence in.
All you cry babies need to quit, no one cares, none of your arguments are valid, it is just D R A M A Q U E E N S.
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Icecold Spacebeer
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:48:00 -
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They`d do this if they would take the problem serious. It is an appropriate step to regain trust of the playerbase but until I see something else IŠll expect them to say "This is under NDA, we will do this and that now sell it to the players or GTFO"
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Bootleg Jack
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Icecold Spacebeer
They`d do this if they would take the problem serious. It is an appropriate step to regain trust of the playerbase but until I see something else IŠll expect them to say "This is under NDA, we will do this and that now sell it to the players or GTFO"
They have our trust, except the handfull of drama queens who are having more fun crying than playing.
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Evalon Fury on 27/06/2011 15:57:54
Originally by: Bootleg Jack
Originally by: Evalon Fury
Negotiations and discussions should always be behind closed doors... It doesnt really matter what is said between the two sides.. There are often heated arguments in these type of events...
All that matters is the end result.. and a restoration of peoples belief in CCP..
How they get there doesnt matter at all...
If you don't have confidence, then quit, what kind of fool are you paying a company you don't have confidence in.
All you cry babies need to quit, no one cares, none of your arguments are valid, it is just D R A M A Q U E E N S.
Wow.. I reread what I typed.. and have no idea how you got to that comment from it....... How about you toddle off and comeback a little calmer and actually read what i said... As it happens I have unsubbed until they confirm no non vanity items for Aurum. Presumably you wouldnt be here if you didnt like the game... How much do you think you would like it if Billy next door with very deep pockets just keeps smacking you down with his bigger and better ship.. every time.. simply because he has more cash.. You'd rage in 5 seconds.
People have to be able to speak their minds freely without repercussions in negotiations.. Like I said.. Its the end result that is important.
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.06.27 16:07:00 -
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so this morning i got into my delorean, doc had found urainum to charge the flux capacitor and the date was set 1 week from now.
as i reached 88mph my delorean dissapeard leaving only 2 flaming rubber tire marks in my wake......
i came to,. quickly checked the flux capacitors internal clock,... 'yes,. ive made it!' i shouted,. but as i looked around the forums i realised this was'nt the future i'd been expecting.
i checked the date again,. then the forums,. the CSM meeting was already held and over, but no new infomation was given
i went on to read about an 'NDA',. which puzzeled me 'so what was the point'' i cryed,.
in disbeleaf i contacted doc, but he reassured me that this was'nt a paraelle universe,. and that even tho ccp made 'games' for people,. and the very people who fund them to make these 'games' were not alowd to be privvy to imformation that effects the game they play,. they would not share due to some missplace bussiness model of NDA
i replyed 'wtf doc, are you mad? this is a game,. its not liek there some investment company and disclosing information could possibly harm future investments! surely telling us what we can be expecting in the future would only help them?'
'its not like another competeting company could hear these ideas and impliment them before ccp? or even if the could, surly the player base isnt that fickle they would move to another game becuase of some new shiney feature?'
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