421 corp mates and no one can give you a 7 B loan ?

This.

If your own corp mates do not trust you enough to loan you a paltry 7B, then why should anyone else?

I might consider loaning you 20b, but you would of course need to satisfy the usual requirements for ISRAD membership to prove where ur loyalties lie.

pm T'Renn in game for info~~~

Market investments i do on my own. Most corporations i was in care of shooting to protect their own business. I do not care personally about corporations, alliances that much. Honestly i know just 2 guys from my current corporation. Me separate pleasures from work. Making isk is kind of work for me in Eve Online. Thats why this post to find investors and improve isk/h profit.

While that may explain your situation, it does not really help your case.

If you have few friends and no real ties to the community (be that your corp/alliance, MD or EVE in general) then you have little to lose by scamming.

7b is a lot to ask from strangers without any evidence to suggest you would pay it back. A smaller loan, or one with collateral, would be more appropriate.

I currently have about 3B in ISK which i use for regional hub trading but I need more ISK to increase my trading ability. I trade between regions and am averaging 40-100 M ISK profit per day, depending on the length I play.

i got over 1 year of expierience in market areas of -A-

i make steady small profits each day. My alliance history is pretty obvious, i am connected with -A- territories for more than 1 year. All things considered it is obvious i make profits of those regions for long amount of time.

I do not think it is obvious. Could you explain it further?

If you have over 1 year of experience trading in this way for steady profits, then why do you only have 3b, a freighter and no other significant assets to show for it?

"T'Renn is either offline or otherwise unreachable."

No collateral

I suggest you take another look at your assets.

If you find anything you are not making use of then you need to either:

a) Liquidate it to reduce the need for obtaining a loan.

b) Put it up for collateral to reduce the cost and difficulty of obtaining a loan.

If you find some collateral then I'd be happy to offer you a loan for less than 10%, but otherwise you have nothing to offer me but weak promises and unproven figures.

I am not sure if you taking my serious.
If u going for your own just like i am you need to put effort

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I do not look for competition in what i am doing but for investors. Currently i am more than sure injection of isk would make y personal profits higher. Thats what this post is all about.

I am most certainly taking your serious.

I fully understand the effort involved in making isk.

I am asking questions in an effort to find out if you are motivated, honest and competent.


If you are attempting to raise money from strangers then your post needs to be more about what other people believe and less about what you believe.

There is no sense to put personal arguments in market postor spam me.
Offer is transparent in my first post. here. Feel free to contact me if you are interested.

You are in the "Market Discussions" forum. If you do not want to discuss your loan then maybe you have chosen the wrong place to ask for it.

Well to be honest i am not going to change my offer as it will cut me down from profits.
To answer to your points. I am doing trading because i am patient and liquidating assets and my investments for your private security is bad deal for me.

i haven't add anything new to my first post while conversation with you.

I do not find my psychological arguments that much important.

I run business and i am more about numbers.

Good impression, positive PR - it is not me.

i am not here to bore whole market community using syntax figures.

There is so many griefers and spammers. And to be honest i haven't add anything new to my first post while conversation with you. I do not find my psychological arguments that much important. I run business and i am more about numbers.
Good impression, positive PR - it is not me. Maybe it appears in reader mind , but who knows what more. If you interested in investing lets make it. i am not here to bore whole market community using syntax figures.

I run business and i am more about numbers.

are you actually serious mate? I mean i am no where close to being a trader but even a MD noob like me wouldnt lend a million with that attitude of yours.

So all basically say is shut up and send me the isk or F*** off? Awesome approach.

I'm a bit sad to be blue to someone like you.

stable access to 0.0

credible alliance history

I offer avarage profit, made market search here and there are investment projects running from 5 to 15% here in topic

How likely do you think it is that you will continue to have stable access to 0.0? I understand that you are at war with a formidable opponent and have been on the losing side thus far.

What will the impact be to your business if you lose access to 0.0? What are the chances that your assets will be lost or sold at firesale prices? Will you be able to afford the interest in this case? Will you be able to repay the principal in this case?

You haven't been in your current corp very long and you've already stated that you do not have strong ties there.

But you are asking for 7b, which is more than a first time investee should expect to raise without collateral.

If you had made an excellent proposal, answered questions well and had a good attitude you would still struggle to raise 7b at any interest rate as a first time uncollateralised unaudited investee.

Given that your proposal was not excellent, you have not answered questions well and you are being uncooperative... you are making matters even harder for yourself. Maybe someone will be foolish or charitable enough to invest, but you would have a better chance of success in a high footfall area like Jita local.

Considering all you got to offer is personal judgments - my answer for you is simple: No money no honey.

Imo, 7b for a first time uncollateralized loan is a bit much to ask for, considering this amounts to more than one year of plex.
Surely, a smaller amount would still be of use to your operation and more likely to be filled, if you would additionally be more forthcoming with potential investors.

"T'Renn is either offline or otherwise unreachable."

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you can do the research on your own:

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/forums/showthread.php?43197-T-Renn

(all image links in that thread and in the ISRAD thread on kugu are broken ).

Actually applying to join ISRAD would obviously ruin your business plan (seed -A- markets), so here is a better proposal:

Contact Grogoth about an A&C project and submit images of the result to a PL member for safekeeping.
You get the loan.
If you don't repay it in time your images will be released for great justice.

However, since I like risk and with high risk sometimes come high reward, I am willing to invest half a billion just to be safe if other investors invest as well.

Give him the benefit of the doubt, be professionally critical, say what you think, and move on. We don't need to keep spamming his thread nay-saying his approach.

There is so many griefers and spammers. And to be honest i haven't add anything new to my first post while conversation with you. I do not find my psychological arguments that much important. I run business and i am more about numbers.
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My personal entertainment is in the fact that he said he'l have access to all of -A- space but has applied to join PL. Guess he wanted to use his old alliance name to scam some bills before he left.

I'll donate .01 isk to your cause.

Min Investment: 250M

For me it is more than dangerous to give someone i do not know informations about my way of getting isk.
Besides i am not interested to pay for audit.

Yeah you should not trust someone you don't know with any info but hey we should just chip in 7 B to someone WE don't know right?


Your logic is limitless.

...hey we should just chip in 7 B to someone WE don't know right?


Your logic is limitless.

Well if u not interested i understand. However pretty sure you shouldn't respond in name of WHOLE EVE online players.
Already found investors for 3.7 bil.

Waiting for those interested to invest 3.3 bil. Details, suggested in private convo warm welcome

WE are free here to adress loan requests how WE want .

7 billion and no collateral? Good lubk buddy

Investors asked for being annoymous

Thank you for griefing and doubts.

It is well known that -A- are honourless cowards.

Can we expect you to run with the money, like you run from fights?

I am 99.9% certain that 100% of the threads here bogus.
Most of the time the top 1% of eve that actually DO invest are to ashamed to admit they got scammed.
There is just no real way to make sure that somebody pays up even with third parties.

/me stands up :



''Hello , i am flakeys. I have been a long time investor on the MD forum and i must admit .... /me swallows ... i HAVE been scammed 3 times'' .


/me sit down in shame .

Hi my name is Ji and I was scammed once in Jita, where one said he would double my ISK but never did :(
After that I never invested again :(((

Briefing

Investing
3.5 bil - anonymous investor 1
1 bil - anonymous investor 2
0.5 bil - anonymous investor 3
2 bil GÇô anonymous investor 4
5 bil GÇô my own pool

General sum invested:
12 bil

General amount returned from market

21.35 bil

Additional cost of investment
2.4 bil GÇô cost of plexes
1.1 bil GÇô 3rd party transport costs

Profit:
21.35 GÇô (12 + 2.4 + 1.1) = 5,85 kk

Profit of investors:
Investors 1 GÇô 350 mil GÇô 10%
Investors 2 GÇô 100 mil GÇô 10%
Investor 3 GÇô 50 mil GÇô 10%
Investor 4 GÇô 200 mil GÇô 10%
Me GÇô 500 mil GÇô 10%

Pure profit:
5.85 GÇô 1.2 = 4.65 kk

Thank you MD investors for your time and isk. Considering investors demanded being anonymous I just post general briefing of whole investment process. Isk was transferred yesterday. Looking forward for my next investment post as I will continue using additional isk from MD investors forum.

I ask CCP to close this topic and to clean it from msg's out of investment topic
My Post made it purpose of investment transaction and transaction ended yesterday. All things considered i ask to close it