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RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:42:00 - [1] I will keep protesting until the meeting. But how CCP handles this meeting will make or break the company. If this is just the CSM going to get preached too and fed Metrics and research and not listened too. And that They will proceed forward regardless. Thats the end of the road for CCP. And we can all laugh about out how a bankers logic ruined something else.
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:52:00 - [2] Rouge, I have no doubt the CSM meeting is a stalling tactic & will result in further muddying the waters & PR from CCP. One look at how well the CSM were kept in the loop for the last year should tell you that. CCP is buying time, simple as that. In a week things will have settled down a bit here & alot of players that are leaving will be gone. In two weeks more will be gone & in 2 months most of us that are leaving will be absent leaving the way wide open for CCP Alts & Fanbois to have free reign. Then it's welcome to the new EvE, the only people left will be people CCP knows it has by the balls & will swallow any BS they decide is ' best for the game!', from there it's a slippery slope to p2w. I'm just glad I won't be here to see it! EvE was a great game & I'm glad I had some time in the game before it all went to hell. CCP showing dedicated EvE players the 'DOOR' since June 21st. 2011. _
Lu'Marat	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:55:00 - [3] OP, thank you for clarifying that for us, I really was wondering how the CCP/CSM meeting would affect things. My money was on everybody getting a pink pony, but obviously you had to ruin that for me.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:02:00 - [4] Originally by: RougeOperator I will keep protesting until the meeting. But how CCP handles this meeting will make or break the company. If this is just the CSM going to get preached too and fed Metrics and research and not listened too. And that They will proceed forward regardless. Thats the end of the road for CCP. And we can all laugh about out how a bankers logic ruined something else. Don't be so arrogant as to think that less that 2% of the eve population can decide the fate of it's future. Even if every single one of the people who claimed to have unsubbed actually did, it would be a blip. A blip. No more, no less. And after 6 years in this game and seeing these theatrics over and over and over again, I know that almost no one will actually stay unsubbed. So please leave the drama behind and wait and see. I suppose I should call you a name and find some quip to make you rage now, but I'm just too tired I'll just leave it at that.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:05:00 - [5] Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 08:05:37 Originally by: Mr Epeen Originally by: RougeOperator I will keep protesting until the meeting. But how CCP handles this meeting will make or break the company. If this is just the CSM going to get preached too and fed Metrics and research and not listened too. And that They will proceed forward regardless. Thats the end of the road for CCP. And we can all laugh about out how a bankers logic ruined something else. Don't be so arrogant as to think that less that 2% of the eve population can decide the fate of it's future. Even if every single one of the people who claimed to have unsubbed actually did, it would be a blip. A blip. No more, no less. And after 6 years in this game and seeing these theatrics over and over and over again, I know that almost no one will actually stay unsubbed. So please leave the drama behind and wait and see. I suppose I should call you a name and find some quip to make you rage now, but I'm just too tired I'll just leave it at that. A blip worth over a million dollars a year. That will not be made back by the Nex store. And ccp does not have the base player numbers for the nex store to make them the money they are dreaming of in 1000 dollar pants. If other examples given show only 5% of a base spending real money. Thats peoples jobs, even worse if CCP is that hard up for money its a huge blow if they are already in the read to banks that might want to loan them money.
robbyx	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:11:00 - [6] Also dont forget the scathing reports about CCP on pretty much every gaming site around the world right now...the one at massive.com is particularly bad...anyone reading that is never gonna touch any CCP product ever.
Lady 3'Jane	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:14:00 - [7] Edited by: Lady 3''Jane on 27/06/2011 08:14:00 i'm actually kind of optimistic. i, too, was raging in jita, but i think ccp zulu is sincere. we'll see what happens. to be honest, if all goes well, i'll probably end up buying a monocle for my trade alt.
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar Clan Hyena	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:18:00 - [8] Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 27/06/2011 08:19:57 Originally by: RougeOperator A blip worth over a million dollars a year. That will not be made back by the Nex store. And ccp does not have the base player numbers for the nex store to make them the money they are dreaming of in 1000 dollar pants. If other examples given show only 5% of a base spending real money. Thats peoples jobs, even worse if CCP is that hard up for money its a huge blow if they are already in the read to banks that might want to loan them money. Over a million? Has it really crossed the 6.5k unsub mark? You still need tens of thousands like that one I keep hearing about. I may have been here when that happened, but I think I just did a 'Keep Calm and Carry On' or some such. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:22:00 - [9] Yes CCP is going to spend over 1 THOUSAND USD on flight PER CSM member on short notice to stall..... Righhht There is controversy then there is just stupid. Yes it will affect a great deal but we don't need conspiracy theories. If you have unsubbed you can always resub later.
DickbeardThePirate Gallente Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:27:00 - [10] Originally by: San Severina Rouge, I have no doubt the CSM meeting is a stalling tactic & will result in further muddying the waters & PR from CCP. One look at how well the CSM were kept in the loop for the last year should tell you that. CCP is buying time, simple as that. In a week things will have settled down a bit here & alot of players that are leaving will be gone. In two weeks more will be gone & in 2 months most of us that are leaving will be absent leaving the way wide open for CCP Alts & Fanbois to have free reign. Then it's welcome to the new EvE, the only people left will be people CCP knows it has by the balls & will swallow any BS they decide is ' best for the game!', from there it's a slippery slope to p2w. I'm just glad I won't be here to see it! EvE was a great game & I'm glad I had some time in the game before it all went to hell. CCP showing dedicated EvE players the 'DOOR' since June 21st. 2011. _ How will that buy time? There are two outcomes I see having a possibility of happening: a) CCP meets CSM, CSM tells them we don't want non-vanity RMT, maybe CCP tries to persuade them it's a good thing, CSM responds to that by telling them to stop being **ing ****s because we don't want RMT to affect gameplay. CCP accepts this and changes any plans they had about introducing non-vanity AUR items. EVE lives happily ever after b) CCP meets CSM, doesn't agree to not put gameplay changing RMT in EVE, CSM tells them that it's going to kill EVE, CCP is convinced it won't. CSM returns and tells us everything. 60% of playerbase doesn't renew subs, EVE, DUST, and WOD dies. The End. I would like to hold out for the possibility that CCP never intended to actually implement gameplay affecting RMT items, but their silence on the issue is pretty much solid proof that they were planning to do that, but are now having second thoughts what with all the community backlash.

RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:29:00 - [11] Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 08:30:57 Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 08:30:28 Originally by: Alejan Gerakh Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 27/06/2011 08:19:57 Originally by: RougeOperator A blip worth over a million dollars a year. That will not be made back by the Nex store. And ccp does not have the base player numbers for the nex store to make them the money they are dreaming of in 1000 dollar pants. If other examples given show only 5% of a base spending real money. Thats peoples jobs, even worse if CCP is that hard up for money its a huge blow if they are already in the read to banks that might want to loan them money. Over a million? Has it really crossed the 6.5k unsub mark? You still need tens of thousands like that one I keep hearing about. I may have been here when that happened, but I think I just did a 'Keep Calm and Carry On' or some such. Euros pay more then US prices. The over a million is based on USD, the euro rate with the average amount is about 850k euros. It is probably higher since there are those that unsubbed but did not tell anyone on a forum. That they called int CSM to fly to iceland shows that they need to do something and that there is a big enough problem to pay to fly them there. But I worry they will try to use it as a way to put one over on us. Or lie to them. And 3 months later they introduce Nex mods and ships.
Lady 3'Jane	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:33:00 - [12] what would be the point in stalling for 3 months if they were going to do as you described? if they truly were going to do that, that would simply just happen. why waste thousands of dollars, plus the time it takes dealing with the csm? it costs more than just plane tickets. i wonder how much aurum it will cost to buy tinfoil?
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:37:00 - [13] CCP will wine and dine the ** out of the CSM, feed them a ** load of false promises to get them on board and gift them monicles for their avatars. You wait and see...
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Lady 3'Jane what would be the point in stalling for 3 months if they were going to do as you described? if they truly were going to do that, that would simply just happen. why waste thousands of dollars, plus the time it takes dealing with the csm? it costs more than just plane tickets. i wonder how much aurum it will cost to buy tinfoil? You dont know how PR and propaganda work do you. Famous stars are winded and dined at companies expenses just to get good PR. In vegas lots of stars get free rooms just to they can say the star stays there when in town for another example. They shell out some money to staunch the open wound they created is what its about.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:44:00 - [15] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 08:46:55 Originally by: RougeOperator I will keep protesting until the meeting. But how CCP handles this meeting will make or break the company. If this is just the CSM going to get preached too and fed Metrics and research and not listened too. And that They will proceed forward regardless. Thats the end of the road for CCP. And we can all laugh about out how a bankers logic ruined something else. I don't think so. We can predict the outcome: CCP will make no promises. So what then? How many people will actually unsubscribe? 1%? 5%? 10%? And is that "the end of CCP"? I have the feeling most people will stay - or some back after a while. How many people have REALLY quit and biomassed their character and gave away their stuff? Not a lot! They have their friends, their ISK and SP and it's not like that there's plenty of good alternatives available.
Lemmy Kravitz Minmatar Rebirth.	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:46:00 - [16] EVE Online Subscription Cancelled You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription. Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on 06 August 2011. Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return. If you feel that this cancellation has been made in error, you can quickly and easily reopen your account by clicking below. Post your protest, cancel subscription, and let's give CSM some leveraging power. ------------------------------------------------- "Vae Victis" -Brennus
Ardamalis Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:47:00 - [17] I don't want this game to die, I want it to succeed. I my myself am not part of the protests but I am keeping a close eye on whether CCP will come forward and directly say no MT beyond vanity items. if they can't do so, well I am afraid that will factor heavily when I decide to renew my subscription next time. I approve of protesters who are passionate for their game and want to see go in a positive direction. I do NOT approve of protesters who just want to get at CCP and actually hope and want to be right just so they can be vindicated (an "I told u so attitude"). During this whole event I have seen both. Let us not get out of hand and become the latter category.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: RougeOperator I will keep protesting until the meeting. But how CCP handles this meeting will make or break the company. If this is just the CSM going to get preached too and fed Metrics and research and not listened too. And that They will proceed forward regardless. Thats the end of the road for CCP. And we can all laugh about out how a bankers logic ruined something else. I don't think so. We can predict the outcome: CCP will make no promises. So what then? How many people will actually unsubscribe? 1%? 5%? 10%? And is that "the end of CCP"? I have the feeling most people will stay. They have their friends, their ISK and SP and it's not like that there's plenty of good alternatives available. You do realize with that a company with two active unfinished projects out even a 1% loss is a huge blow if they are already in the red.
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar Clan Hyena	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:48:00 - [19] Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 27/06/2011 08:49:42 Originally by: **beardThePirate How will that buy time? There are two outcomes I see having a possibility of happening: a) CCP meets CSM, CSM tells them we don't want non-vanity RMT, maybe CCP tries to persuade them it's a good thing, CSM responds to that by telling them to stop being ing **s because we don't want RMT to affect gameplay. CCP accepts this and changes any plans they had about introducing non-vanity AUR items. EVE lives happily ever after b) CCP meets CSM, doesn't agree to not put gameplay changing RMT in EVE, CSM tells them that it's going to kill EVE, CCP is convinced it won't. CSM returns and tells us everything. 60% of playerbase doesn't renew subs, EVE, DUST, and WOD dies. The End. I would like to hold out for the possibility that CCP never intended to actually implement gameplay affecting RMT items, but their silence on the issue is pretty much solid proof that they were planning to do that, but are now having second thoughts what with all the community backlash. This is what I keep trying to say. If you say otherwise, you're deluding yourself in an attempt to safe face. Originally by:** RougeOperator Euros pay more then US prices. The over a million is based on USD, the euro rate with the average amount is about 850k euros. It is probably higher since there are those that unsubbed but did not tell anyone on a forum. That they called int CSM to fly to iceland shows that they need to do something and that there is a big enough problem to pay to fly them there. But I worry they will try to use it as a way to put one over on us. Or lie to them. And 3 months later they introduce Nex mods and ships. My calculations have actually relied on the USD rates, not the Euro rates. I still don't see where you got it. ... unless you are saying in Euros, then you're speaking in moonmoney to me. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Lu'Marat OP, thank you for clarifying that for us, I really was wondering how the CCP/CSM meeting would affect things. My money was on everybody getting a pink pony, but obviously you had to ruin that for me. bah, they always offer pinkie pie and never twilight sparkle

Berke Negri Caldari GoonWaffe	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:50:00 - [21] Originally by: San Severina CCP showing dedicated EvE players the 'DOOR' since June 21st. 2011. _ wouldn't the dedicated players be the ones who are still playing after everyone has left
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar Clan Hyena	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:52:00 - [22] Originally by: RougeOperator Originally by: Lady 3'Jane what would be the point in stalling for 3 months if they were going to do as you described? if they truly were going to do that, that would simply just happen. why waste thousands of dollars, plus the time it takes dealing with the csm? it costs more than just plane tickets. i wonder how much aurum it will cost to buy tinfoil? You dont know how PR and propaganda work do you. Famous stars are winded and dined at companies expenses just to get good PR. In vegas lots of stars get free rooms just to they can say the star stays there when in town for another example. They shell out some money to staunch the open wound they created is what its about. And you really think CCP is THAT adept at 'PR and propaganda' ..? ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:53:00 - [23] Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 08:53:19 Originally by: Alejan Gerakh Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 27/06/2011 08:49:42 Originally by: **beardThePirate How will that buy time? There are two outcomes I see having a possibility of happening: a) CCP meets CSM, CSM tells them we don't want non-vanity RMT, maybe CCP tries to persuade them it's a good thing, CSM responds to that by telling them to stop being ing **s because we don't want RMT to affect gameplay. CCP accepts this and changes any plans they had about introducing non-vanity AUR items. EVE lives happily ever after b) CCP meets CSM, doesn't agree to not put gameplay changing RMT in EVE, CSM tells them that it's going to kill EVE, CCP is convinced it won't. CSM returns and tells us everything. 60% of playerbase doesn't renew subs, EVE, DUST, and WOD dies. The End. I would like to hold out for the possibility that CCP never intended to actually implement gameplay affecting RMT items, but their silence on the issue is pretty much solid proof that they were planning to do that, but are now having second thoughts what with all the community backlash. This is what I keep trying to say. If you say otherwise, you're deluding yourself in an attempt to safe face. Originally by:** RougeOperator Euros pay more then US prices. The over a million is based on USD, the euro rate with the average amount is about 850k euros. It is probably higher since there are those that unsubbed but did not tell anyone on a forum. That they called int CSM to fly to iceland shows that they need to do something and that there is a big enough problem to pay to fly them there. But I worry they will try to use it as a way to put one over on us. Or lie to them. And 3 months later they introduce Nex mods and ships. My calculations have actually relied on the USD rates, not the Euro rates. I still don't see where you got it. ... unless you are saying in Euros, then you're speaking in moonmoney to me. Based off the average sub price and the known number is 4800 others said 5000. Thats about 900000 based on usd. If you realize the euro rate is higher plus unknowns it can jump over 1 mil. Not to mention the numbers we dont know about. And subs paid with plex. CCP might be hemorrhaging a lot of money all told in the near future.
Souverainiste Corsairs Inc. Waterboard	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:53:00 - [24] CSM, please burn CCP.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Berke Negri Originally by: San Severina CCP showing dedicated EvE players the 'DOOR' since June 21st. 2011. _ wouldn't the dedicated players be the ones who are still playing after everyone has left No because it is no longer then game they dedicated themselves too. Many that play the game liked it cause it was a sandbox. Take out the sandbox its no longer eve.
Klumsysmurf	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:55:00 - [26] Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 08:48:46 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: RougeOperator I will keep protesting until the meeting. But how CCP handles this meeting will make or break the company. If this is just the CSM going to get preached too and fed Metrics and research and not listened too. And that They will proceed forward regardless. Thats the end of the road for CCP. And we can all laugh about out how a bankers logic ruined something else. I don't think so. We can predict the outcome: CCP will make no promises. So what then? How many people will actually unsubscribe? 1%? 5%? 10%? And is that "the end of CCP"? I have the feeling most people will stay. They have their friends, their ISK and SP and it's not like that there's plenty of good alternatives available. You do realize with that a company with two active unfinished projects out even a 1% loss is a huge blow if they are already in the red. I do it cause I want the game saved. Its like trying to talk a suicidal man off a ledge. Where did you get that they are already in the red? They are going to lose a good chunk of money from the poor way they handled all of this for sure, but the fact remains that eve had a very healthy subscriber base before this expansion. They may lose a few thousand subscribers over this expansion, but to be honest most of the people leaving because of this were probably already bored of the game anyways. Eve will carry on and as long as they address the issues that have been brought up, and make a promise not to implement MT's that give players a direct IG advantage, Eve will continue to grow and prosper. I don't mind all the e-whining that has taken over the forums since the expansion. Yes for the most part it's exaggerated and idiotic, but at least it will make sure that CCP doesn't make the same mistake in the future and for that reason alone it's worth it. Also, I miss ship spinning Smurfy Smurfs Smurf
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar Clan Hyena	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:59:00 - [27] I say that even if they do say something positive for us, for the sake of those who say they are liars we should all boycott the NeX, and maybe even PLEX. As many as can, just to reinforce who has their balls. You know, just in case. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Klumsysmurf Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 08:48:46 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: RougeOperator I will keep protesting until the meeting. But how CCP handles this meeting will make or break the company. If this is just the CSM going to get preached too and fed Metrics and research and not listened too. And that They will proceed forward regardless. Thats the end of the road for CCP. And we can all laugh about out how a bankers logic ruined something else. I don't think so. We can predict the outcome: CCP will make no promises. So what then? How many people will actually unsubscribe? 1%? 5%? 10%? And is that "the end of CCP"? I have the feeling most people will stay. They have their friends, their ISK and SP and it's not like that there's plenty of good alternatives available. You do realize with that a company with two active unfinished projects out even a 1% loss is a huge blow if they are already in the red. I do it cause I want the game saved. Its like trying to talk a suicidal man off a ledge. Where did you get that they are already in the red? They are going to lose a good chunk of money from the poor way they handled all of this for sure, but the fact remains that eve had a very healthy subscriber base before this expansion. They may lose a few thousand subscribers over this expansion, but to be honest most of the people leaving because of this were probably already bored of the game anyways. Eve will carry on and as long as they address the issues that have been brought up, and make a promise not to implement MT's that give players a direct IG advantage, Eve will continue to grow and prosper. I don't mind all the e-whining that has taken over the forums since the expansion. Yes for the most part it's exaggerated and idiotic, but at least it will make sure that CCP doesn't make the same mistake in the future and for that reason alone it's worth it. Also, I miss ship spinning I wasnt claiming I had special knowledge of them being ion the red. I was giving and example as to why they might be taking this seriously and flying the csm out there. And making an speculative guess as to why.
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar Clan Hyena	Posted - 2011.06.27 09:01:00 - [29] Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 27/06/2011 09:02:47 Originally by: Klumsysmurf Also, I miss ship spinning Open your Fitting window and click-drag the model? I realize it's a poor substitute, but if all you have is a hammer..? ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Prince Kobol	Posted - 2011.06.27 09:07:00 - [30] This meting will make or break the CSM. I suspect most players think CSM are nothing more the a PR exercise for CCP. Well this is there time to prove that wrong. If nothing changes after this meeting with CSM then it will effectively kill the CSM once and for all. If however we see change then its gives the CSM creditability that they have been missing. I for one hope the CSM are successful. Whilst I suspect that some members are in it for the freebies (those who have yet spoken in the last few days) others I believe do care for the well being of the entire game and not just the aspect that effect themselves.



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