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Portmanteau Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:30:00 - [31] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit cash shop : subscription : working game choose two
The Huffarunier Gallente The Real OC	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:32:00 - [32] Actually II do NOT want to cheat. The moment I cheat in a game, I tend to walk away from it very soon after. I just feel dirty, Like I cheated and didn't earn what I did. Its the same reason I avoid PLEX.
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:33:00 - [33] Have you seen these vanity items in the store? They are pure **. I was actually thinking about buying some but then I looked at them and they were horrible I didn't want them anymore even before figuring out the price. Once I figured out the price I thought someone was a ing ****. At least blizzard items are worth wanting and 7 times cheaper. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
SNeAkYbRiT Gunslingers Corp	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. = I don't People are willing to cheat. = I'm not People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. = I don't Cheat Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population = No they are not CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. = No I won't Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. = are they? source or GTFO People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. = LOL CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. = err no I'm not and no they ain't Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. = What EVERY game? Adapt or quit = Unsubbed, till this cluster **** is fixed. Now has it's obvious u have no idea wtf u are talking about, please SHUSH!
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Tom Gerard CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Their psymochalogy is not working Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit Allready did ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:39:00 - [36] Ok. Where is my button to nuke Tom Gerard forever from this forum? --
Tosser Galore	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Portmanteau Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit cash shop : subscription : working game choose two CCP:Delusional dreams about a new playerbase = Cash shop, Sub, (**** the game)
Gillaboo	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:41:00 - [38] Edited by: Gillaboo on 28/06/2011 12:42:00 I have no "illusions" about the coming changes at all. None. Fact: The "Next Generation" will be MT'ers who simply "buy" their way to the top. Fact: CCP might make huge revenue... for a time. Then the "challenge" will have gone for the passionate players...and EVE will become populated by a huge crowd of bored, uber-rich gits who have no love of the game... but care only that they were able to "win" by melting several credit cards. Fact: Sort of like WOW... where after awhile, even standing around the Res Point in Warsong Gulch, ganking the noobs, loses it's appeal. Adapt to that...and get rich off it... because the Next Generation of "nouveau-riche" in EVE will be just as lazy, bored and irresponsible with their assets as some pilots are today. --------------------------------------------- "MONOCLE-FREE" and Proud Of It !!!!!
Keyanu Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit Another sucker who believes in everything he sees.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:42:00 - [40] Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2011 12:47:24 Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. Tell that to Blizzard and all the other MMO operators out there that do exactly the same thing. See who laughs more in your face. Post results. Originally by: Gillaboo Fact: The "Next Generation" will be MT'ers who simply "buy" their way to the top. FACT : The CURRENT generation ALREADY can and occasionally does buy its way to the top, by buying ISK (PLEX/GTC or RMT) then whatever they desire (chars, ships, gear, services, even metaservices). FACT : People with sufficient ISK will have access to exactly the same items the RL-cash-spending crowd does, both through PLEX->AUR->NEX and on the market for ISK directly from the players that bought it from the NEX already. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Mr Epeen Originally by: Tom Gerard Ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka CCP alt spotted You mustn't be familiar with Tom Gerard! If Tom were a CCP alt, then EVE would be be comprised of pure trolling reverse logic.
Tali Ambraelle	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:43:00 - [42] +1 Silly consumer peasants think they can actually stop this?~ Shut up and pay your fees like good boys & girls and stop trying to have a voice :)
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:51:00 - [43] Edited by: Whitehound on 28/06/2011 12:53:15 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. Tell that to Blizzard and all the other MMO operators out there that do exactly the same thing. See who laughs more in your face. Post results. EVE is not WoW and the more features they share the more will they share their customers, and one company will lose. Why? Because with every mistake one company makes the quicker their customers will run to the other for good. Take a look at Perpetuum. They are small, they are like nobodies in this market. But they share a few things with EVE. CCP makes a mistake and suddenly Perpetuum's community doubles. That is how you lose in this business. Winning is easy, every kid wants to play a game. --
couriertrading alt	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:58:00 - [44] [quote=Tom Gerard HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaining the loudest, care the most about our EVE. Forum posters are a sampling of the game's population who care about EVE. If CCP go live with virtual goods EVE will die. People who lead these protests are actually either going to unsub or wait are just waiting for game time to run out now. CCP thinks they are going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. CCP has made mistakes before... Fixed it for you.
Chrysanthemum Korik Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:00:00 - [45] I want virtual goods. I love customizing my char in game to make unique. However I want those goods produced in-game by players and traded fairly on the marketplace.
Kinuko	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:03:00 - [46] Edited by: Kinuko on 28/06/2011 13:04:26 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2011 12:48:32 Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. Tell that to Blizzard and all the other MMO operators out there that do exactly the same thing. See who laughs more in your face. Post results. LOL! Why don't you post results Akita T, c'mon give me list of successful P2P games where MT is frequently used. WoW isn't very huge on MT btw, there are only couple of mounts and pets and prices are much lower than EVE (oh and quality and functionality of MT items are much higher). So beside WoW all P2P+MT MMOs are trash... You must be delusional to think that blizzard somehow got prices of MT items wrong and they are not greedy enough.
Tom Gerard Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:06:00 - [47] CCP HAS ALREADY WON, THIS JULY 1ST IS JUST A WAY OF ANNOUNCING SP FOR AURUM WITH A LARGER AUDIENCE. Its over, quit or adapt
Gillaboo	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:10:00 - [48] Edited by: Gillaboo on 28/06/2011 13:13:31 I guess it's a subliminal effect, but the more times I re-read the "Hard Facts" list from the OP, the more I see "GREED IS GOOD" flash before my eyes... Hehehehe.... luvin' it. And my sides hurt from laughing too much.... --------------------------------------------- "MONOCLE-FREE" and Proud Of It !!!!!
Jail Baiter	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:10:00 - [49] Hey Tom, I watched the whole of that EA video, quite interesting. I hardly think CCP can compare the forum posters on BF Heroes to the ones in EVE, for obvious freaking reasons. CCP will surely have the info on how many players actually read the forums, I would love to know. I bet it's a hell of alot HIGHER percentage than the one given in the BF Heroes pie chart lol. If MT gets implemented it's not a case of cheating, its a case of trying to level the playing field again because someone else brought gold ammo. So Dust514 will follow the BF Heroes subscription model that seems pretty apparent now, where you pay to have an advantage over other people as well as a cover charge.
Lara Dantreb New Horizons	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:14:00 - [50] Originally by: Tom Gerard CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. This is so true
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:19:00 - [51] Originally by: Kinuko WoW isn't very huge on MT btw, there are only couple of mounts and pets and prices are much lower than EVE (oh and quality and functionality of MT items are much higher). So beside WoW all P2P+MT MMOs are trash... You must be delusional to think that blizzard somehow got prices of MT items wrong and they are not greedy enough. Just a question - I actually don't know - in WOW, CAN you buy those MT items with in-game cash ? And if you can, is the price they go for (in gold) affordable for a slightly-above-medium-dedication player ? _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Snake Scofield	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:19:00 - [52] Stupid downtime. Im waiting to log in to play with my virtual spaceship I pay a monthly fee for.
Sasuke Rukh	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:22:00 - [53] Bad troll. 1/10
Siestre Vitale	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit Unfortunatly this is correct, take a look around everyones doing it already maybe you just didnt notice
Kinuko	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Kinuko WoW isn't very huge on MT btw, there are only couple of mounts and pets and prices are much lower than EVE (oh and quality and functionality of MT items are much higher). So beside WoW all P2P+MT MMOs are trash... You must be delusional to think that blizzard somehow got prices of MT items wrong and they are not greedy enough. Just a question - I actually don't know - in WOW, CAN you buy those MT items with in-game cash ? And if you can, is the price they go for (in gold) affordable for a slightly-above-medium-dedication player ? No you cannot buy them by gold. If you are arguing that due to low ISK price of PLEX MTs in EVE is less greedy, I find this wrong also. CCP decided to go for higher amount of MTs than blizzard but this actually makes EVE much less accessible. How many players in EVE can afford to pay 1.3billion for monocle? Given that incursions changed quite a bit I still doubt more than 5% of players in EVE can afford them (by ISK). So this makes EVE much less accessible for 95% of population which is very wrong and greedy in my opinion.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:30:00 - [56] I was going to say something only having looked at the time before clicking in. Then I saw it was Tom and decide what would be the point.
Tom Gerard Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Snake Scofield Stupid downtime. Im waiting to log in to play with my virtual spaceship I pay a monthly fee for. If your PAYING you are PLAYING.
styh Sotken	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:43:00 - [58] Edited by: styh Sotken on 28/06/2011 13:43:14 Edited by: styh Sotken on 28/06/2011 13:43:01 Originally by: Tom Gerard Originally by: Snake Scofield Stupid downtime. Im waiting to log in to play with my virtual spaceship I pay a monthly fee for. If your PAYING you are PLAYING. Minerals I mine are for free.
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:44:00 - [59] people are asking to not have these items BECAUSE they know they would use it. and the only way to be sure they won't is for them to not exist. don't tell me it wasn't obvious for you ?
Brainless Bimbo Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Akita T ]FACT : The CURRENT generation ALREADY can and occasionally does buy its way to the top, by buying ISK (PLEX/GTC or RMT) then whatever they desire (chars, ships, gear, services, even metaservices). So tell me again, what exactly changes ? Answer : nothing except the selection of available goods and CCP's bottom line The difference, Currently all is player generated in a persistent universe sand box game, CCP got money while it was being generated and again when its transferred/converted. With RMT it just appears out of thin air (well a few Db entries) thereby converting sandbox into litter tray. And Fearless is staying a subscription based unique game, eve makes lots of cash, its the other projects that precipitated their RMT thinking, kill eve as it is and they lose dust and WoD. ...... continues overleaf.

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