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Tom Gerard Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:51:00 - [1] http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit
Duran Sarn	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:52:00 - [2] o/ CCP Soundwave
Caladan Broood	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:53:00 - [3] Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:53:00 - [4] CCP made a game where the manipulators, cheaters, scammers, thieves and generally all-around crooks can have fun. The playerbase may not actually be any of these things in real life, but we can let that little part of us that is out in-game. So I agree. If it becomes inevitable, these players WILL adapt and perform all-new lows. Myself, included Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Tom Gerard Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Duran Sarn o/ CCP Soundwave I'm gonna drop a cyno on you and blob you in high-sec why? because I paid for it, I am happy now.
Kez Aumer	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:54:00 - [6] Because of Tom Gerard, my sex life works with microtransactions. Thanks a fucking bunch, Tom.
Zakua Corbin	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:56:00 - [7] Hisec Cyno= 2000000 ar
Tom Gerard Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Kez Aumer Because of Tom Gerard, my sex life works with microtransactions. Thanks a fucking bunch, Tom. My pleasure
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Kez Aumer Because of Tom Gerard, my sex life works with microtransactions. Thanks a fucking bunch, Tom. Time to pay a subscription. Get married. But marry some cheap girl. A high-maintenance one will want to add microtransactions on top of your sub. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Mortimer Phinn	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:13:00 - [10] You should ask John Smedley about how poor a sampling forum posters are.
egot istical	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:13:00 - [11] pricecheck on gold buttscratcher plx
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit Players attracted to Monthly subs are not the same as those that are attracted to F2P. We like monthlies because its not P2W. When you start trying to shift it to P2W cause you owe 11 million and want to burden the people that make your company even more you lose money. CCP did not understand its player base. We are not 14 year olds.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Mortimer Phinn You should ask John Smedley about how poor a sampling forum posters are. Part of Smedley's mistake was the NGE pushed down from LucasArts, who had full control over the franchise. I dislike Smedley very much because he's a douch manager, but I don't cast blame on someone when it's not theirs. Dude could have argued more against NGE, I feel. As a side note, though, a lot of NGE was requested by a lot of forum posters. Idiots, to be sure, but it's just like paying money for skillpoints. There is ALWAYS a portion of the playerbase, often a portion that posts regrettably, that wants an easy pay to win because their mom's have a nice credit card. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Ein Phantom	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Kez Aumer Because of Tom Gerard, my sex life works with microtransactions. Thanks a fucking bunch, Tom. I was using microtransactions for that a long time ago.
Mortimer Phinn	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Mortimer Phinn You should ask John Smedley about how poor a sampling forum posters are. Part of Smedley's mistake was the NGE pushed down from LucasArts, who had full control over the franchise. I dislike Smedley very much because he's a douch manager, but I don't cast blame on someone when it's not theirs. Dude could have argued more against NGE, I feel. As a side note, though, a lot of NGE was requested by a lot of forum posters. Idiots, to be sure, but it's just like paying money for skillpoints. There is ALWAYS a portion of the playerbase, often a portion that posts regrettably, that wants an easy pay to win because their mom's have a nice credit card. The NGE was not forced by LA, google Jeff Freeman, he posted on another forum how they came up with the idea and sold it to LA as the Holy Grail.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit CCP alt spotted
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Mortimer Phinn Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Mortimer Phinn You should ask John Smedley about how poor a sampling forum posters are. Part of Smedley's mistake was the NGE pushed down from LucasArts, who had full control over the franchise. I dislike Smedley very much because he's a douch manager, but I don't cast blame on someone when it's not theirs. Dude could have argued more against NGE, I feel. As a side note, though, a lot of NGE was requested by a lot of forum posters. Idiots, to be sure, but it's just like paying money for skillpoints. There is ALWAYS a portion of the playerbase, often a portion that posts regrettably, that wants an easy pay to win because their mom's have a nice credit card. The NGE was not forced by LA, google Jeff Freeman, he posted on another forum how they came up with the idea and sold it to LA as the Holy Grail. I stand corrected, or partially. It was developed in house, but still, the final decision wasn't up to SOE. http://rubenfield.com/?p=86 Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Pee Wee Herman	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:33:00 - [18] I haven't in other games, and I wouldn't in this game, pay money for an advantage other another like they offer in Battlefield: Heroes. I do like microtransaction games such as LoL because it is free to play and nothing you spend money is giving you an advantage in game as well as being purely vanity such as skins for your characters. I would buy vanity only items in eve, and do support that route just not the non vanity items, if they were a reasonable price, say $10 max. Many people will like it and partake in the NeX store in EvE, but at current prices along with the likely hood of non vanity items coming with it, I will not, same with how others have expressed themselves.
Tir Arsil	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Tom Gerard CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. [...] CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Except that I cancelled my accounts and biomassed my chars. I didn't sign up for a sub/MT hybrid and don't want to play one, so I won't. Please don't speak as if you know me.
Yosarian Lives	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. didnt blizzard make stupid amounts of money selling vanity pets for 10 bucks a pop? granted, ccp doesnt have the numbers they have, but as long as microtransactions are for insignificant things that don't directly effect combat, who cares. i know i dont. now if they offer up skillpoints for aurum and/or better ships/ammo...then...well WHO CARES? its the same thing as plex...someone will buy it then resell it on the market for ISK!!!! people dont understand that it will all eventually be sold for isk and your average joe doesnt have to spend real money (unless of course it is godly items that has way too high demand over supply).
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:38:00 - [21] o/ CCP
Saddeyes	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:39:00 - [22] Keep spammin stupid ****. Quite the show of self importance. Love watchin it crummmmmmble awaaaay. Great work, buddy.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:39:00 - [23] Edited by: RougeOperator on 28/06/2011 01:40:00 Originally by: Yosarian Lives Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. didnt blizzard make stupid amounts of money selling vanity pets for 10 bucks a pop? granted, ccp doesnt have the numbers they have, but as long as microtransactions are for insignificant things that don't directly effect combat, who cares. i know i dont. now if they offer up skillpoints for aurum and/or better ships/ammo...then...well WHO CARES? its the same thing as plex...someone will buy it then resell it on the market for ISK!!!! people dont understand that it will all eventually be sold for isk and your average joe doesnt have to spend real money (unless of course it is godly items that has way too high demand over supply). Vanity + teenagers or low maturity people + HUGE player base + Not a player run economy. Or perhaps you missed those points. I wonder if that vid was required CCP brainwashing for the months leading up to this. Like the newsletter.
Kez Aumer	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon I stand corrected, or partially. It was developed in house, but still, the final decision wasn't up to SOE. True. Although SOE designed that calamity, it was known for a long time prior to that that LucasArts was veeery unhappy with SOE's handling of the franchise. The pressure for severe change came from above. LucasArts hadn't been directly involved for some time, though, so my guess was always that SOE simply gave them a very successful sales pitch without Lucas bothering to double check the research they presumed SOE had already done.
Plus 1	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:40:00 - [25] Posting in another Tom Gerard lol thread.
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Tom Gerard Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. And as the players average age is higher in Eve than a lot of other games, the dinosaurs should make way for the kids and their non-vanity MT items that they'll get their parents to buy. So is that what you're saying Tom? Now I feel sorry for the parents. Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit That goes without saying.
Tarinara	Posted - 2011.06.28 02:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Yosarian Lives Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. didnt blizzard make stupid amounts of money selling vanity pets for 10 bucks a pop? granted, ccp doesnt have the numbers they have, but as long as microtransactions are for insignificant things that don't directly effect combat, who cares. i know i dont. now if they offer up skillpoints for aurum and/or better ships/ammo...then...well WHO CARES? its the same thing as plex...someone will buy it then resell it on the market for ISK!!!! people dont understand that it will all eventually be sold for isk and your average joe doesnt have to spend real money (unless of course it is godly items that has way too high demand over supply). Blizzard sells Vanity Pets for $10.00USD a pop. They're available on ever character you have or will have on any server. They also don't get destroyed or stolen if you die. The mounts are $25.00 and work the same way. Big difference between a $10 item that you get across your entire account v/s a $70 item for one character that can get destroyed... And on a side note: a couple of those vanity pets are an 11 on a scale of 1 to 10 in pure awesomeness. I even bought one of them as a gift for a friend of mine in the Netherlands since I knew she loved it so much.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Tom Gerard HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit 1. A while back you posted your 'last post'. You should have stuck with that. 2. Don't know what planet you are from, but none of the items in your list of HARD FACTS is true, at least in my case, and I don't think I am a 1%er, either. *************************************************** Two years from now --> Gamer: "CCP? Never heard of it."
My Postman	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Plus 1 Posting in another Tom Gerard lol thread. Very much what this guy said.
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Yosarian Lives Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. didnt blizzard make stupid amounts of money selling vanity pets for 10 bucks a pop? granted, ccp doesnt have the numbers they have, but as long as microtransactions are for insignificant things that don't directly effect combat, who cares. i know i dont. now if they offer up skillpoints for aurum and/or better ships/ammo...then...well WHO CARES? its the same thing as plex...someone will buy it then resell it on the market for ISK!!!! people dont understand that it will all eventually be sold for isk and your average joe doesnt have to spend real money (unless of course it is godly items that has way too high demand over supply). But wasn't it like a 25$ pony pet? I mean, no wonder it sold well :D Also, good to see Tom Gerard back to normal. The semi-sensible fella before scared me.

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