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Tosser Galore	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:09:00 - [61] This is not a troll thread.
Modeaus Caldari Junkyard Doggs Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:10:00 - [62] Surely if you make enough to afford this stuff it'll never cost you a penny. If you're making 10bil a month in game you have enough to pay your subs, buy your ships and then convert a little to make your char pretty. If you're a relative newb like me you'll be scraping every ISK together to buy your next ship and not spending anything on jeans for your toon. Neither of these scenarios costs any real world money, neither of them gains any benefit in game. MTs are here to stay no matter what you play or what system you use. Suck it up and play or unsub and cry in a corner. No one actually gives a sh!t about your crying anyway.
Talsha Talamar Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:11:00 - [63] HARD FACTS: Things that are shown in slides are true. Apples are Bananas. Sandbox or Death!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:12:00 - [64] Originally by: Kinuko No you cannot buy them by gold. If you are arguing that due to low ISK price of PLEX MTs in EVE is less greedy, I find this wrong also. CCP decided to go for higher amount of MTs than blizzard but this actually makes EVE much less accessible. How many players in EVE can afford to pay 1.3billion for monocle? Given that incursions changed quite a bit I still doubt more than 5% of players in EVE can afford them (by ISK). So this makes EVE much less accessible for 95% of population which is very wrong and greedy in my opinion. "The monocle" is supposed to be a flaunt-your-fat-ISK-wallet status symbol. And for that matter, so are most of the other current NEX items. I mean, seriously, it's a MONOCLE. Somebody else has to see the humour in that, not just me. It's so obviously targeted almost exclusively at ISK users, I have no idea how they could have made that more obvious except, oh, I don't know, if they said something to that extent in the description. Now I think they wish they would have done that. Heck, all current items are obviously targeted at ISK-rich people - who in their right mind would buy that for cash ? A tiny minority of the player base, obviously. But for ISK ? Well, 5% is actually a pretty decent potential target market. Heck, even 1% would probably be swell for starters. The current set of NEX items is obviously just the first round, to establish a sort of "price anchor". Subsequent items will most likely fall primarily in the mid-ranges, with some cheaper and maybe one expensive items. Then following "inventory expansions" could keep on filling the gaps. The cheaper ones come out mainly later on, I would wager. Originally by: Brainless Bimbo The difference, Currently all is player generated in a persistent universe sand box game, CCP got money while it was being generated and again when its transferred/converted. With RMT it just appears out of thin air (well a few Db entries) thereby converting sandbox into litter tray. First off, the way AUR-enabled items will be purchaseable/manufacturable is not yet set in stone. The NEX itself is (for now) just a skeleton (functionality-speaking) compared to what it's supposed to become eventually - namely, an extended LP-shop which uses AUR instead of LP. There is no reason why we couldn't have the NEX selling BPCs of items instead of the actual items, or requiring a base item plus some extra materials found in regular gameplay to spawn an AUR item, or any other number of things. It could still spawn some items for AUR directly, but as long as the BPC or trade-in options would come out as radically cheaper, those other offers might as well be there purely for legacy purposes. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Tom Gerard People want to cheat. I do not want to cheat. I tolerate PLEX grudgingly as it doesn't spawn anything magically (besides vanity items). I can't tolerate anything more than that. If that happens, even in a very minor way, I quit.
Heathyy	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:12:00 - [66] poasting in a themonocleswontmakeuptherevenuethread?
Taius Pax	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:22:00 - [67] Originally by: Tom Gerard CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Weird, their psychology seems to have locked my wallet up so tight they couldn't pry it open with a crowbar. Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit I chose option B. I don't want to, but I'm not going down this path with them.
Lara Dantreb New Horizons	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:40:00 - [68] Originally by: Taius Pax Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit I chose option B. I don't want to, but I'm not going down this path with them. [/Irony on] Strange like quitters need to claim it with their alts [Irony/off]
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:43:00 - [69] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Kez Aumer Because of Tom Gerard, my sex life works with microtransactions. Thanks a fucking bunch, Tom. Time to pay a subscription. Get married. But marry some cheap girl. A high-maintenance one will want to add microtransactions on top of your sub. It's not that simple. Before you know it you have the pitter-patter of the little feet of a bunch of macro-transactions regardless. FREE Helicity and Niang!
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:48:00 - [70] Edited by: ACY GTMI on 28/06/2011 14:50:30 Originally by: Siestre Vitale Unfortunatly this is correct, take a look around everyones doing it already maybe you just didnt notice Nope. Last time I checked I was a subset of 'everyone' and I don't do it, and never will. Your post would be ok if you changed it to '. . . some people are . . . .'

My Postman	Posted - 2011.06.30 11:20:00 - [71] Originally by: styh Sotken Edited by: styh Sotken on 28/06/2011 13:43:14 Edited by: styh Sotken on 28/06/2011 13:43:01 Originally by: Tom Gerard Originally by: Snake Scofield Stupid downtime. Im waiting to log in to play with my virtual spaceship I pay a monthly fee for. If your PAYING you are PLAYING. Minerals I mine are for free. Because of falcon.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.30 11:23:00 - [72] 4/10 Wherever you went - Here you are.
Elizze Scoggins	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. This is why MT will work because a sufficient number of players pay for their game time with Isk.
Kiran Minmatar Knights of Azrael	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:16:00 - [74] Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. This^^ So glad someone else also sees MT's like I do.
Rai Fulminata	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:17:00 - [75] Originally by: Tom Gerard Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, You know NOTHING about microtransactions. Trust me.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:21:00 - [76] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit Actually no, I want to work for my fun, that is why I left WoW recently and came back to EVE. WoW is so easy you level out of the areas before you have seen half of it, I even stayed out of a guild with my alt so I wouldn't get bonus XP but it was just not possible. I want some challenge and en equal playing field. If all mmorpg's fail and go MT, I'll go back to playing boardgames with my family and friends. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Pre-Incarna
Mi'Rini Nemo	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:39:00 - [77] I want to become CCP Japanese Pants! How much aurum please?
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:42:00 - [78] i'd pay for you to kill yourself
Rai Fulminata	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:46:00 - [79] Originally by: Mi'Rini Nemo I want to become CCP Japanese Pants! How much aurum please? Wanna be weared by somebody? O_O
Trainwreck McGee	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:51:00 - [80] IF there is one thing i have learned on these forums is that Tom Gerard is an idiot

San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:53:00 - [81] Just watch them never get another Cent from me ever! Too much excellence !!! _
LHA Tarawa	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:55:00 - [82] Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit I choose quit.
Caiyuga Onishi	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:56:00 - [83] Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit Done. Cya.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:58:00 - [84] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit You are lying to yourself by thinking you got it all figured out. Not everyone is a cheater and the eve player base is the last group of people who are looking for an easy game/win. Post is fail. Doesn't surprise me.
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2011.06.30 22:02:00 - [85] OP, may I ask you a question? Do you happen to be a hard-line creationist? Because you are using much the same arguments they do.
Andweeas	Posted - 2011.06.30 22:31:00 - [86] Edited by: Andweeas on 30/06/2011 22:31:31 Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit I quit. Why? you ask: I play... played EVE as a hobby; the game mechanics, however flawed they are, provided every new player with equal opportunity to become someone, through hard work and dedication. If you add IRL money to that equation you get, well, real life. I'd rather not spend my IRL cash on improving a virtual me, other than the 15$.
Uuali	Posted - 2011.06.30 22:33:00 - [87] Yep, I've said it beforeà power players. Power players rule games like this and they will do anything to win. Damn the context of the game world. If a mechanic can be used, exploited or abused to win a fight they will do it. The only problem is that the present power player base may not like to use MT in a game like EVE so will have be replaced in time with a power player base that does. CCP was delivering this slowly but oops! The newsletter got leaked.


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