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Tom Gerard Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:51:00 - [1] http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit
Duran Sarn	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:52:00 - [2] o/ CCP Soundwave
Caladan Broood	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:53:00 - [3] Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:53:00 - [4] CCP made a game where the manipulators, cheaters, scammers, thieves and generally all-around crooks can have fun. The playerbase may not actually be any of these things in real life, but we can let that little part of us that is out in-game. So I agree. If it becomes inevitable, these players WILL adapt and perform all-new lows. Myself, included Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Tom Gerard Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Duran Sarn o/ CCP Soundwave I'm gonna drop a cyno on you and blob you in high-sec why? because I paid for it, I am happy now.
Kez Aumer	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:54:00 - [6] Because of Tom Gerard, my sex life works with microtransactions. Thanks a fucking bunch, Tom.
Zakua Corbin	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:56:00 - [7] Hisec Cyno= 2000000 ar
Tom Gerard Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Kez Aumer Because of Tom Gerard, my sex life works with microtransactions. Thanks a fucking bunch, Tom. My pleasure
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Kez Aumer Because of Tom Gerard, my sex life works with microtransactions. Thanks a fucking bunch, Tom. Time to pay a subscription. Get married. But marry some cheap girl. A high-maintenance one will want to add microtransactions on top of your sub. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Mortimer Phinn	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:13:00 - [10] You should ask John Smedley about how poor a sampling forum posters are.
egot istical	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:13:00 - [11] pricecheck on gold buttscratcher plx
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit Players attracted to Monthly subs are not the same as those that are attracted to F2P. We like monthlies because its not P2W. When you start trying to shift it to P2W cause you owe 11 million and want to burden the people that make your company even more you lose money. CCP did not understand its player base. We are not 14 year olds.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Mortimer Phinn You should ask John Smedley about how poor a sampling forum posters are. Part of Smedley's mistake was the NGE pushed down from LucasArts, who had full control over the franchise. I dislike Smedley very much because he's a douch manager, but I don't cast blame on someone when it's not theirs. Dude could have argued more against NGE, I feel. As a side note, though, a lot of NGE was requested by a lot of forum posters. Idiots, to be sure, but it's just like paying money for skillpoints. There is ALWAYS a portion of the playerbase, often a portion that posts regrettably, that wants an easy pay to win because their mom's have a nice credit card. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Ein Phantom	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Kez Aumer Because of Tom Gerard, my sex life works with microtransactions. Thanks a fucking bunch, Tom. I was using microtransactions for that a long time ago.
Mortimer Phinn	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Mortimer Phinn You should ask John Smedley about how poor a sampling forum posters are. Part of Smedley's mistake was the NGE pushed down from LucasArts, who had full control over the franchise. I dislike Smedley very much because he's a douch manager, but I don't cast blame on someone when it's not theirs. Dude could have argued more against NGE, I feel. As a side note, though, a lot of NGE was requested by a lot of forum posters. Idiots, to be sure, but it's just like paying money for skillpoints. There is ALWAYS a portion of the playerbase, often a portion that posts regrettably, that wants an easy pay to win because their mom's have a nice credit card. The NGE was not forced by LA, google Jeff Freeman, he posted on another forum how they came up with the idea and sold it to LA as the Holy Grail.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit CCP alt spotted
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Mortimer Phinn Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Mortimer Phinn You should ask John Smedley about how poor a sampling forum posters are. Part of Smedley's mistake was the NGE pushed down from LucasArts, who had full control over the franchise. I dislike Smedley very much because he's a douch manager, but I don't cast blame on someone when it's not theirs. Dude could have argued more against NGE, I feel. As a side note, though, a lot of NGE was requested by a lot of forum posters. Idiots, to be sure, but it's just like paying money for skillpoints. There is ALWAYS a portion of the playerbase, often a portion that posts regrettably, that wants an easy pay to win because their mom's have a nice credit card. The NGE was not forced by LA, google Jeff Freeman, he posted on another forum how they came up with the idea and sold it to LA as the Holy Grail. I stand corrected, or partially. It was developed in house, but still, the final decision wasn't up to SOE. http://rubenfield.com/?p=86 Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Pee Wee Herman	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:33:00 - [18] I haven't in other games, and I wouldn't in this game, pay money for an advantage other another like they offer in Battlefield: Heroes. I do like microtransaction games such as LoL because it is free to play and nothing you spend money is giving you an advantage in game as well as being purely vanity such as skins for your characters. I would buy vanity only items in eve, and do support that route just not the non vanity items, if they were a reasonable price, say $10 max. Many people will like it and partake in the NeX store in EvE, but at current prices along with the likely hood of non vanity items coming with it, I will not, same with how others have expressed themselves.
Tir Arsil	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Tom Gerard CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. [...] CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Except that I cancelled my accounts and biomassed my chars. I didn't sign up for a sub/MT hybrid and don't want to play one, so I won't. Please don't speak as if you know me.
Yosarian Lives	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. didnt blizzard make stupid amounts of money selling vanity pets for 10 bucks a pop? granted, ccp doesnt have the numbers they have, but as long as microtransactions are for insignificant things that don't directly effect combat, who cares. i know i dont. now if they offer up skillpoints for aurum and/or better ships/ammo...then...well WHO CARES? its the same thing as plex...someone will buy it then resell it on the market for ISK!!!! people dont understand that it will all eventually be sold for isk and your average joe doesnt have to spend real money (unless of course it is godly items that has way too high demand over supply).
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:38:00 - [21] o/ CCP
Saddeyes	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:39:00 - [22] Keep spammin stupid ****. Quite the show of self importance. Love watchin it crummmmmmble awaaaay. Great work, buddy.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:39:00 - [23] Edited by: RougeOperator on 28/06/2011 01:40:00 Originally by: Yosarian Lives Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. didnt blizzard make stupid amounts of money selling vanity pets for 10 bucks a pop? granted, ccp doesnt have the numbers they have, but as long as microtransactions are for insignificant things that don't directly effect combat, who cares. i know i dont. now if they offer up skillpoints for aurum and/or better ships/ammo...then...well WHO CARES? its the same thing as plex...someone will buy it then resell it on the market for ISK!!!! people dont understand that it will all eventually be sold for isk and your average joe doesnt have to spend real money (unless of course it is godly items that has way too high demand over supply). Vanity + teenagers or low maturity people + HUGE player base + Not a player run economy. Or perhaps you missed those points. I wonder if that vid was required CCP brainwashing for the months leading up to this. Like the newsletter.
Kez Aumer	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon I stand corrected, or partially. It was developed in house, but still, the final decision wasn't up to SOE. True. Although SOE designed that calamity, it was known for a long time prior to that that LucasArts was veeery unhappy with SOE's handling of the franchise. The pressure for severe change came from above. LucasArts hadn't been directly involved for some time, though, so my guess was always that SOE simply gave them a very successful sales pitch without Lucas bothering to double check the research they presumed SOE had already done.
Plus 1	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:40:00 - [25] Posting in another Tom Gerard lol thread.
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Tom Gerard Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. And as the players average age is higher in Eve than a lot of other games, the dinosaurs should make way for the kids and their non-vanity MT items that they'll get their parents to buy. So is that what you're saying Tom? Now I feel sorry for the parents. Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit That goes without saying.
Tarinara	Posted - 2011.06.28 02:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Yosarian Lives Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. didnt blizzard make stupid amounts of money selling vanity pets for 10 bucks a pop? granted, ccp doesnt have the numbers they have, but as long as microtransactions are for insignificant things that don't directly effect combat, who cares. i know i dont. now if they offer up skillpoints for aurum and/or better ships/ammo...then...well WHO CARES? its the same thing as plex...someone will buy it then resell it on the market for ISK!!!! people dont understand that it will all eventually be sold for isk and your average joe doesnt have to spend real money (unless of course it is godly items that has way too high demand over supply). Blizzard sells Vanity Pets for $10.00USD a pop. They're available on ever character you have or will have on any server. They also don't get destroyed or stolen if you die. The mounts are $25.00 and work the same way. Big difference between a $10 item that you get across your entire account v/s a $70 item for one character that can get destroyed... And on a side note: a couple of those vanity pets are an 11 on a scale of 1 to 10 in pure awesomeness. I even bought one of them as a gift for a friend of mine in the Netherlands since I knew she loved it so much.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Tom Gerard HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit 1. A while back you posted your 'last post'. You should have stuck with that. 2. Don't know what planet you are from, but none of the items in your list of HARD FACTS is true, at least in my case, and I don't think I am a 1%er, either. *************************************************** Two years from now --> Gamer: "CCP? Never heard of it."
My Postman	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Plus 1 Posting in another Tom Gerard lol thread. Very much what this guy said.
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Yosarian Lives Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. didnt blizzard make stupid amounts of money selling vanity pets for 10 bucks a pop? granted, ccp doesnt have the numbers they have, but as long as microtransactions are for insignificant things that don't directly effect combat, who cares. i know i dont. now if they offer up skillpoints for aurum and/or better ships/ammo...then...well WHO CARES? its the same thing as plex...someone will buy it then resell it on the market for ISK!!!! people dont understand that it will all eventually be sold for isk and your average joe doesnt have to spend real money (unless of course it is godly items that has way too high demand over supply). But wasn't it like a 25$ pony pet? I mean, no wonder it sold well :D Also, good to see Tom Gerard back to normal. The semi-sensible fella before scared me.
Portmanteau Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:30:00 - [31] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit cash shop : subscription : working game choose two
The Huffarunier Gallente The Real OC	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:32:00 - [32] Actually II do NOT want to cheat. The moment I cheat in a game, I tend to walk away from it very soon after. I just feel dirty, Like I cheated and didn't earn what I did. Its the same reason I avoid PLEX.
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:33:00 - [33] Have you seen these vanity items in the store? They are pure **. I was actually thinking about buying some but then I looked at them and they were horrible I didn't want them anymore even before figuring out the price. Once I figured out the price I thought someone was a ing ****. At least blizzard items are worth wanting and 7 times cheaper. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
SNeAkYbRiT Gunslingers Corp	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. = I don't People are willing to cheat. = I'm not People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. = I don't Cheat Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population = No they are not CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. = No I won't Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. = are they? source or GTFO People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. = LOL CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. = err no I'm not and no they ain't Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. = What EVERY game? Adapt or quit = Unsubbed, till this cluster **** is fixed. Now has it's obvious u have no idea wtf u are talking about, please SHUSH!
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Tom Gerard CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Their psymochalogy is not working Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit Allready did ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:39:00 - [36] Ok. Where is my button to nuke Tom Gerard forever from this forum? --
Tosser Galore	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Portmanteau Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit cash shop : subscription : working game choose two CCP:Delusional dreams about a new playerbase = Cash shop, Sub, (**** the game)
Gillaboo	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:41:00 - [38] Edited by: Gillaboo on 28/06/2011 12:42:00 I have no "illusions" about the coming changes at all. None. Fact: The "Next Generation" will be MT'ers who simply "buy" their way to the top. Fact: CCP might make huge revenue... for a time. Then the "challenge" will have gone for the passionate players...and EVE will become populated by a huge crowd of bored, uber-rich gits who have no love of the game... but care only that they were able to "win" by melting several credit cards. Fact: Sort of like WOW... where after awhile, even standing around the Res Point in Warsong Gulch, ganking the noobs, loses it's appeal. Adapt to that...and get rich off it... because the Next Generation of "nouveau-riche" in EVE will be just as lazy, bored and irresponsible with their assets as some pilots are today. --------------------------------------------- "MONOCLE-FREE" and Proud Of It !!!!!
Keyanu Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit Another sucker who believes in everything he sees.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:42:00 - [40] Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2011 12:47:24 Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. Tell that to Blizzard and all the other MMO operators out there that do exactly the same thing. See who laughs more in your face. Post results. Originally by: Gillaboo Fact: The "Next Generation" will be MT'ers who simply "buy" their way to the top. FACT : The CURRENT generation ALREADY can and occasionally does buy its way to the top, by buying ISK (PLEX/GTC or RMT) then whatever they desire (chars, ships, gear, services, even metaservices). FACT : People with sufficient ISK will have access to exactly the same items the RL-cash-spending crowd does, both through PLEX->AUR->NEX and on the market for ISK directly from the players that bought it from the NEX already. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Mr Epeen Originally by: Tom Gerard Ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka CCP alt spotted You mustn't be familiar with Tom Gerard! If Tom were a CCP alt, then EVE would be be comprised of pure trolling reverse logic.
Tali Ambraelle	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:43:00 - [42] +1 Silly consumer peasants think they can actually stop this?~ Shut up and pay your fees like good boys & girls and stop trying to have a voice :)
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:51:00 - [43] Edited by: Whitehound on 28/06/2011 12:53:15 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. Tell that to Blizzard and all the other MMO operators out there that do exactly the same thing. See who laughs more in your face. Post results. EVE is not WoW and the more features they share the more will they share their customers, and one company will lose. Why? Because with every mistake one company makes the quicker their customers will run to the other for good. Take a look at Perpetuum. They are small, they are like nobodies in this market. But they share a few things with EVE. CCP makes a mistake and suddenly Perpetuum's community doubles. That is how you lose in this business. Winning is easy, every kid wants to play a game. --
couriertrading alt	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:58:00 - [44] [quote=Tom Gerard HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaining the loudest, care the most about our EVE. Forum posters are a sampling of the game's population who care about EVE. If CCP go live with virtual goods EVE will die. People who lead these protests are actually either going to unsub or wait are just waiting for game time to run out now. CCP thinks they are going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. CCP has made mistakes before... Fixed it for you.
Chrysanthemum Korik Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:00:00 - [45] I want virtual goods. I love customizing my char in game to make unique. However I want those goods produced in-game by players and traded fairly on the marketplace.
Kinuko	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:03:00 - [46] Edited by: Kinuko on 28/06/2011 13:04:26 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2011 12:48:32 Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. Tell that to Blizzard and all the other MMO operators out there that do exactly the same thing. See who laughs more in your face. Post results. LOL! Why don't you post results Akita T, c'mon give me list of successful P2P games where MT is frequently used. WoW isn't very huge on MT btw, there are only couple of mounts and pets and prices are much lower than EVE (oh and quality and functionality of MT items are much higher). So beside WoW all P2P+MT MMOs are trash... You must be delusional to think that blizzard somehow got prices of MT items wrong and they are not greedy enough.
Tom Gerard Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:06:00 - [47] CCP HAS ALREADY WON, THIS JULY 1ST IS JUST A WAY OF ANNOUNCING SP FOR AURUM WITH A LARGER AUDIENCE. Its over, quit or adapt
Gillaboo	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:10:00 - [48] Edited by: Gillaboo on 28/06/2011 13:13:31 I guess it's a subliminal effect, but the more times I re-read the "Hard Facts" list from the OP, the more I see "GREED IS GOOD" flash before my eyes... Hehehehe.... luvin' it. And my sides hurt from laughing too much.... --------------------------------------------- "MONOCLE-FREE" and Proud Of It !!!!!
Jail Baiter	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:10:00 - [49] Hey Tom, I watched the whole of that EA video, quite interesting. I hardly think CCP can compare the forum posters on BF Heroes to the ones in EVE, for obvious freaking reasons. CCP will surely have the info on how many players actually read the forums, I would love to know. I bet it's a hell of alot HIGHER percentage than the one given in the BF Heroes pie chart lol. If MT gets implemented it's not a case of cheating, its a case of trying to level the playing field again because someone else brought gold ammo. So Dust514 will follow the BF Heroes subscription model that seems pretty apparent now, where you pay to have an advantage over other people as well as a cover charge.
Lara Dantreb New Horizons	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:14:00 - [50] Originally by: Tom Gerard CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. This is so true
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:19:00 - [51] Originally by: Kinuko WoW isn't very huge on MT btw, there are only couple of mounts and pets and prices are much lower than EVE (oh and quality and functionality of MT items are much higher). So beside WoW all P2P+MT MMOs are trash... You must be delusional to think that blizzard somehow got prices of MT items wrong and they are not greedy enough. Just a question - I actually don't know - in WOW, CAN you buy those MT items with in-game cash ? And if you can, is the price they go for (in gold) affordable for a slightly-above-medium-dedication player ? _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Snake Scofield	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:19:00 - [52] Stupid downtime. Im waiting to log in to play with my virtual spaceship I pay a monthly fee for.
Sasuke Rukh	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:22:00 - [53] Bad troll. 1/10
Siestre Vitale	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit Unfortunatly this is correct, take a look around everyones doing it already maybe you just didnt notice
Kinuko	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Kinuko WoW isn't very huge on MT btw, there are only couple of mounts and pets and prices are much lower than EVE (oh and quality and functionality of MT items are much higher). So beside WoW all P2P+MT MMOs are trash... You must be delusional to think that blizzard somehow got prices of MT items wrong and they are not greedy enough. Just a question - I actually don't know - in WOW, CAN you buy those MT items with in-game cash ? And if you can, is the price they go for (in gold) affordable for a slightly-above-medium-dedication player ? No you cannot buy them by gold. If you are arguing that due to low ISK price of PLEX MTs in EVE is less greedy, I find this wrong also. CCP decided to go for higher amount of MTs than blizzard but this actually makes EVE much less accessible. How many players in EVE can afford to pay 1.3billion for monocle? Given that incursions changed quite a bit I still doubt more than 5% of players in EVE can afford them (by ISK). So this makes EVE much less accessible for 95% of population which is very wrong and greedy in my opinion.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:30:00 - [56] I was going to say something only having looked at the time before clicking in. Then I saw it was Tom and decide what would be the point.
Tom Gerard Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Snake Scofield Stupid downtime. Im waiting to log in to play with my virtual spaceship I pay a monthly fee for. If your PAYING you are PLAYING.
styh Sotken	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:43:00 - [58] Edited by: styh Sotken on 28/06/2011 13:43:14 Edited by: styh Sotken on 28/06/2011 13:43:01 Originally by: Tom Gerard Originally by: Snake Scofield Stupid downtime. Im waiting to log in to play with my virtual spaceship I pay a monthly fee for. If your PAYING you are PLAYING. Minerals I mine are for free.
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:44:00 - [59] people are asking to not have these items BECAUSE they know they would use it. and the only way to be sure they won't is for them to not exist. don't tell me it wasn't obvious for you ?
Brainless Bimbo Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Akita T ]FACT : The CURRENT generation ALREADY can and occasionally does buy its way to the top, by buying ISK (PLEX/GTC or RMT) then whatever they desire (chars, ships, gear, services, even metaservices). So tell me again, what exactly changes ? Answer : nothing except the selection of available goods and CCP's bottom line The difference, Currently all is player generated in a persistent universe sand box game, CCP got money while it was being generated and again when its transferred/converted. With RMT it just appears out of thin air (well a few Db entries) thereby converting sandbox into litter tray. And Fearless is staying a subscription based unique game, eve makes lots of cash, its the other projects that precipitated their RMT thinking, kill eve as it is and they lose dust and WoD. ...... continues overleaf.
Tosser Galore	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:09:00 - [61] This is not a troll thread.
Modeaus Caldari Junkyard Doggs Auctorita Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:10:00 - [62] Surely if you make enough to afford this stuff it'll never cost you a penny. If you're making 10bil a month in game you have enough to pay your subs, buy your ships and then convert a little to make your char pretty. If you're a relative newb like me you'll be scraping every ISK together to buy your next ship and not spending anything on jeans for your toon. Neither of these scenarios costs any real world money, neither of them gains any benefit in game. MTs are here to stay no matter what you play or what system you use. Suck it up and play or unsub and cry in a corner. No one actually gives a sh!t about your crying anyway.
Talsha Talamar Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:11:00 - [63] HARD FACTS: Things that are shown in slides are true. Apples are Bananas. Sandbox or Death!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:12:00 - [64] Originally by: Kinuko No you cannot buy them by gold. If you are arguing that due to low ISK price of PLEX MTs in EVE is less greedy, I find this wrong also. CCP decided to go for higher amount of MTs than blizzard but this actually makes EVE much less accessible. How many players in EVE can afford to pay 1.3billion for monocle? Given that incursions changed quite a bit I still doubt more than 5% of players in EVE can afford them (by ISK). So this makes EVE much less accessible for 95% of population which is very wrong and greedy in my opinion. "The monocle" is supposed to be a flaunt-your-fat-ISK-wallet status symbol. And for that matter, so are most of the other current NEX items. I mean, seriously, it's a MONOCLE. Somebody else has to see the humour in that, not just me. It's so obviously targeted almost exclusively at ISK users, I have no idea how they could have made that more obvious except, oh, I don't know, if they said something to that extent in the description. Now I think they wish they would have done that. Heck, all current items are obviously targeted at ISK-rich people - who in their right mind would buy that for cash ? A tiny minority of the player base, obviously. But for ISK ? Well, 5% is actually a pretty decent potential target market. Heck, even 1% would probably be swell for starters. The current set of NEX items is obviously just the first round, to establish a sort of "price anchor". Subsequent items will most likely fall primarily in the mid-ranges, with some cheaper and maybe one expensive items. Then following "inventory expansions" could keep on filling the gaps. The cheaper ones come out mainly later on, I would wager. Originally by: Brainless Bimbo The difference, Currently all is player generated in a persistent universe sand box game, CCP got money while it was being generated and again when its transferred/converted. With RMT it just appears out of thin air (well a few Db entries) thereby converting sandbox into litter tray. First off, the way AUR-enabled items will be purchaseable/manufacturable is not yet set in stone. The NEX itself is (for now) just a skeleton (functionality-speaking) compared to what it's supposed to become eventually - namely, an extended LP-shop which uses AUR instead of LP. There is no reason why we couldn't have the NEX selling BPCs of items instead of the actual items, or requiring a base item plus some extra materials found in regular gameplay to spawn an AUR item, or any other number of things. It could still spawn some items for AUR directly, but as long as the BPC or trade-in options would come out as radically cheaper, those other offers might as well be there purely for legacy purposes. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Tom Gerard People want to cheat. I do not want to cheat. I tolerate PLEX grudgingly as it doesn't spawn anything magically (besides vanity items). I can't tolerate anything more than that. If that happens, even in a very minor way, I quit.
Heathyy	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:12:00 - [66] poasting in a themonocleswontmakeuptherevenuethread?
Taius Pax	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:22:00 - [67] Originally by: Tom Gerard CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Weird, their psychology seems to have locked my wallet up so tight they couldn't pry it open with a crowbar. Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit I chose option B. I don't want to, but I'm not going down this path with them.
Lara Dantreb New Horizons	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:40:00 - [68] Originally by: Taius Pax Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit I chose option B. I don't want to, but I'm not going down this path with them. [/Irony on] Strange like quitters need to claim it with their alts [Irony/off]
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:43:00 - [69] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Kez Aumer Because of Tom Gerard, my sex life works with microtransactions. Thanks a fucking bunch, Tom. Time to pay a subscription. Get married. But marry some cheap girl. A high-maintenance one will want to add microtransactions on top of your sub. It's not that simple. Before you know it you have the pitter-patter of the little feet of a bunch of macro-transactions regardless. FREE Helicity and Niang!
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:48:00 - [70] Edited by: ACY GTMI on 28/06/2011 14:50:30 Originally by: Siestre Vitale Unfortunatly this is correct, take a look around everyones doing it already maybe you just didnt notice Nope. Last time I checked I was a subset of 'everyone' and I don't do it, and never will. Your post would be ok if you changed it to '. . . some people are . . . .'
My Postman	Posted - 2011.06.30 11:20:00 - [71] Originally by: styh Sotken Edited by: styh Sotken on 28/06/2011 13:43:14 Edited by: styh Sotken on 28/06/2011 13:43:01 Originally by: Tom Gerard Originally by: Snake Scofield Stupid downtime. Im waiting to log in to play with my virtual spaceship I pay a monthly fee for. If your PAYING you are PLAYING. Minerals I mine are for free. Because of falcon.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.30 11:23:00 - [72] 4/10 Wherever you went - Here you are.
Elizze Scoggins	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. This is why MT will work because a sufficient number of players pay for their game time with Isk.
Kiran Minmatar Knights of Azrael	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:16:00 - [74] Originally by: Caladan Broood Micro transactions only work if you ARE NOT charging a monthly fee as well. You can't have both, must choose one and forsake the other. This^^ So glad someone else also sees MT's like I do.
Rai Fulminata	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:17:00 - [75] Originally by: Tom Gerard Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, You know NOTHING about microtransactions. Trust me.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:21:00 - [76] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit Actually no, I want to work for my fun, that is why I left WoW recently and came back to EVE. WoW is so easy you level out of the areas before you have seen half of it, I even stayed out of a guild with my alt so I wouldn't get bonus XP but it was just not possible. I want some challenge and en equal playing field. If all mmorpg's fail and go MT, I'll go back to playing boardgames with my family and friends. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Pre-Incarna
Mi'Rini Nemo	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:39:00 - [77] I want to become CCP Japanese Pants! How much aurum please?
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:42:00 - [78] i'd pay for you to kill yourself
Rai Fulminata	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:46:00 - [79] Originally by: Mi'Rini Nemo I want to become CCP Japanese Pants! How much aurum please? Wanna be weared by somebody? O_O
Trainwreck McGee	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:51:00 - [80] IF there is one thing i have learned on these forums is that Tom Gerard is an idiot
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:53:00 - [81] Just watch them never get another Cent from me ever! Too much excellence !!! _
LHA Tarawa	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:55:00 - [82] Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit I choose quit.
Caiyuga Onishi	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:56:00 - [83] Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit Done. Cya.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:58:00 - [84] Originally by: Tom Gerard http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win HARD FACTS: People want to cheat. People are willing to cheat. People who complaint the loudest, cheat the most. Forum posters are a terrible sampling of the game's population CCP will go live with virtual goods, they will sell great, and you WILL buy them. Forum posters of any breed are likely to spend 10x the amount of a non forum poster. People who lead these protests are actually going to be spending massive amounts of aurum. CCP is going to use psychology to empty you wallet, and you will smile while they do it. Micro-transactions are how every new video game will work, CCP as they have admitted is a relic of an older generation. Adapt or quit You are lying to yourself by thinking you got it all figured out. Not everyone is a cheater and the eve player base is the last group of people who are looking for an easy game/win. Post is fail. Doesn't surprise me.
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2011.06.30 22:02:00 - [85] OP, may I ask you a question? Do you happen to be a hard-line creationist? Because you are using much the same arguments they do.
Andweeas	Posted - 2011.06.30 22:31:00 - [86] Edited by: Andweeas on 30/06/2011 22:31:31 Originally by: Tom Gerard Adapt or quit I quit. Why? you ask: I play... played EVE as a hobby; the game mechanics, however flawed they are, provided every new player with equal opportunity to become someone, through hard work and dedication. If you add IRL money to that equation you get, well, real life. I'd rather not spend my IRL cash on improving a virtual me, other than the 15$.
Uuali	Posted - 2011.06.30 22:33:00 - [87] Yep, I've said it beforeà power players. Power players rule games like this and they will do anything to win. Damn the context of the game world. If a mechanic can be used, exploited or abused to win a fight they will do it. The only problem is that the present power player base may not like to use MT in a game like EVE so will have be replaced in time with a power player base that does. CCP was delivering this slowly but oops! The newsletter got leaked.

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