Originally by: Jennifer Nardieu

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The extraordinary meeting is the final answer that all of us were seeking.

The reason its a meeting is not because of working out how to say "yes or no" to a "will there be P2W features" but rather a "How can we ease the transition across to a P2W business model while minimising the backlash from the community" meeting.

My judgement is already made to that end, I will continue to play EVE until I feel that it is no longer possible to participate further without investing additional money on top of my subscription in order to remain competitive.

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Originally by: AnzacPaul

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Sorry White Tree but whilst I get your sentiment, you can't convince me for a second that a company is going to go against the advice of marketers, economists, "professionals in the field"; to listen to a bunch of quote "computer nerds".

Do you meet with the shareholders at all? I seen a list a couple of days ago that says Hilmar owns 2% of shares in CCP. Regardless of how much he loves Eve, he doesn't have a choice when the majority say "Eve needs to make more money".

I appreciate your attempt to calm the people though.

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Originally by: Sylthi

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You really think you have the power to sway CCP from their plans to bail themselves out of their dreadful mismanagement with more of OUR money that they haven't earned?

More power to you. But, as for me, I say: PROVE IT.

MAKE THEM LISTEN. MAKE THEM GIVE US WHAT WE WANT. MAKE THEM SAY: "No Non-Vanity MT EVER."

Unless you can do that. NOW. With THIS meeting. You, and all the other CSMs that are now and ever will be are exactly what I have always said: Cheap CCP PR stunt. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Go. Go to Iceland. See what your corporate masters give you PERMISSION to say when you come back.

/out

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Originally by: White Tree

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So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.

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Originally by: Velvet Dream

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Edited by: Velvet Dream on 28/06/2011 02:59:03
Edited by: Velvet Dream on 28/06/2011 02:56:34Also, AUR items can be sold on contracts, so the USD->PLEX->ISK->AUR->ISK->whatever

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Originally by: White Tree

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So, what do we do now?

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Originally by: The Mittani

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this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv

~toodles~

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Originally by: Jones Bones

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Eye patches. Ask them if there will be eye patches. Ignore the rest of these plebs who won't bother investing in their primary hobby.

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Originally by: White Tree

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So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.

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Originally by: Raven God

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You know, if they needed more money, all they had to do is tell us and raise the sub price by $5.

There wouldn't be even close to the amount of outrage that there is now

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Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye

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Remember that this is probably THE defining moment for the CSM. You can walk away as heroes or be cast forever as a worthless sham. No pressure!

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Originally by: Xia Long

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I didn't vote for any of you (guess i'm not alone tbh), now i'm forced to depend of you, guess you can understand why i'm asking those questions

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Originally by: Lee Anderson

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Jita to a halt? do you mean all the little kids from WoW that came to eve?, and got mad cuz they have to ask there parents for more money to get new items? for all the ppl who b!tch you need to leave eve sense us who enjoy it don't care or wanna hear it.

TO CCP: keep it the way it is and lets the kids whine, this game is for adults not whiners.

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Originally by: Narisa Bithon

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Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 28/06/2011 11:36:25
Dear OP/CSM
while your in your emergency meeting please discuss the serious balance issues as well as the current MT and performance issues.

try to get these issues prioritised sooner rather than later.

balancing issues deemed urgent:

1. Supercaps - fact they are simply too overpowered right now. - maybe introduce a capital warp disruptor that locks onto jump drive signatures only
2. Hybrids - fact they are woefully underpowered right now - (Rails in particular)
3. Pos's - these are too underpowered now we have so many capitals - possibly allow alliance pos gunning as a balance fix to this and a 50% powergrid and cpu buff to all pos towers.
4. Dreads - these are more or less made obsolete by supercarriers
5. Bots - while the NC bots may have been toppled we still have the DRF bots that still need to be dealt with.
6. Moons - seriously need better distribution to enable a fairer chance for everyone.
7. T1 Mining Barges need a slight buff to tank, may be each give 2 more mid slots & T2 Exumer's should just get a additional low slot.
8. ECCM needs a buff...ECM is too powerful vs ECCM at present

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Originally by: White Tree

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So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.

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Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye

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Remember that this is probably THE defining moment for the CSM. You can walk away as heroes or be cast forever as a worthless sham.

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Originally by: White Tree

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The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting

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