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Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:54:00 - [121] Edited by: Whitehound on 28/06/2011 17:55:29 Originally by: Akita T /facepalm /doublefacepalm Take your time to form a proper response. One containing logical arguments, which you are always so keen on presenting to the forum. --
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:55:00 - [122] Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2011 17:56:49 Originally by: Whitehound Take your time to form a proper response. No need. You'll just chop down 95% of the letters in it and form whatever words you like from it. Quote: One containing logical arguments, which you are always so keen on presenting to the forum. Which you can continue ignoring, as usual... _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Riley Moore Sentinum Research	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:55:00 - [123] Higher fee for lower quality? No thanks! I'll pay more the day we get weekly balance/improvements updates(patches, not text). - Hybrid Weapon System fix - Galente ship speed/armor fix - Supercap fix - UI improvements, especially S&I multi job support - AF fix - iterate on Sov - iterate on PI - iterate on faction warefare - iterate on bounty system - iterate on dynamic S&I public jobs (price/availability?) - new ships, modules (not for MT!) etc --- Sentinum Research Store
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:57:00 - [124] Edited by: Whitehound on 28/06/2011 17:59:18 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Whitehound Take your time to form a proper response. No need. You'll just chop down 95% of the letters in it and form whatever words you like from it. Why is this wrong? Do you mean that I should I write what you like? Originally by: Akita T Which you can continue ignoring, as usual... Oh, I am not ignoring them. I do read them. --
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:58:00 - [125] Originally by: Whitehound I am a giant douche. I can't argue against that. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:58:00 - [126] The current plex system is not the same as MT pay to win. While one can make a decent argument that it is similar it is still not the same. When a plex is sold to someone that isk had to be generated via in game mechanics of someone at some point going out and killing rats or running missions. That took time and said isk probably changed hands several times before landing in the wallet of the person who bought the GTC then finally going into the wallet of the GTC seller. Now lets go to the furthest extreme here someoen spends enough rl cash to buy sufficient plex to purchase a well skilled cap pilot and a supercap to put them in. In that case not only did countless players have to spend massive amounts of game time ammasing the isk involved for such a purchase other players had to spend massive amounts of time mining the ores to process into the minerals. Someone had to spend the time training the character to run the CSAA someone had to spend the time hauling all the materials out to the build site time had to be spent on the assembly that CSAA had to be defended the POS fueled. Ton's of actual player activity to make that happen. For the character to exist someone had to pay for the account buy all the skill books plan out the skill plan then spend 2-3 years real time training the character up. Additionally the purchaser is stuck with what ever name the seller picked. You also have to find one that fits your criteria and likely settle for something that isn't exactly what you'd like where as if you just purchased skillpoints you could make the exact character you want with the exact skills you desire no compormises required. How one can not see a massive difference between this and Buy plex trade for aura buy character and ship from NEX store just boggles the mind. Honestly I don't see the NeX going away that's not my expectation I'm just hoping that CCP can at this point be convinced that anything and I mean anything beyond purely cosmetic items is simply unacceptable. Unfortunately the communications we've seen from CCP indicate that they don't get it. That they don't understand the danger of the greased glass cliff they are standing on the edge of. And it is a greased glass cliff it ain't no slippery slope not when they're already brainstorming ways to step off the precipice. How far of a step is it from adding items and services to "enhance" the player experience to intentionally removing basic functionality in order to encourage the repurchase of said functionality as an "enhancement"? We've already seen one example mentioned that being the ship fitting limitation. For months CCP has ignored repeated requests for explanation of the 50 fit limit we were given something we never asked for a nerf that was advertised as a buff. Then we get the fearless document where they talk about that very situation as an opportunity for additional revenue. Showing that yes they had seen our complaints and rather than trying to address them they figured they'd sell us a fix. What's next aurum based enhancement to Hybrid Users that will fix your hybrid if you pay the $$$? Aurum based old style hanger view? Aurum based pre-nerf jump bridges? Where does it stop? where does it end? That's the problem here. Now that they've stepped up to the edge the threat will be ever present. Akita paints a nice rosy picture based on a level of trust and confidence that I just don't see as justified. The leaked documents combined with the COO's recent statements simply reinforce the fact that going down the golden ammo path isn't just a potential threat but their actual intention.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:02:00 - [127] Edited by: Whitehound on 28/06/2011 18:04:18 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Whitehound I am a giant douche. I can't argue against that. Try arguing for it. Explain logically, and by putting "meat" into your comments, how I am a douche. --
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:04:00 - [128] Originally by: Whitehound I am still feeling sore from the last time we verbally sparred, so I'm being intentionally dense all over again. I told you to use more lube. But you didn't listen back then, you're not listening now. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Ronja Mistysdottir The Treehugger Corp	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:07:00 - [129] maybe make the game so it is playable without 4-6 accounts?
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:07:00 - [130] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Whitehound I am still feeling sore from the last time we verbally sparred, so I'm being intentionally dense all over again. I told you to use more lube. But you didn't listen back then, you're not listening now. You were wrong back then and did not learn, and from what I can see here are you not going to learn anything either. But seriously, if you think that I am douche then you should be able to logically explain it. --

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:24:00 - [131] Originally by: Whitehound Please, do give more example of just how much posterior pain I'm in over previous verbal disputes and how nicely can I hold a grudge. Why, sure, why not, much obliged, if you asked so nicely... I'll use them googles and pull up a few really fast ! In here you were just rude . I wasn't very polite here, I agree. I should have realized ever since back then that you can't comprehend sarcasm. I know somebody in RL with the exact same problem. Nah, must be something else... Waaait a second here, is this all about T2 BPOs and lashing out ? Grudges, grudges, grudges... Oh, wait, it's not just me who annoys you, apparently Chribba pushes your buttons too. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Calden De'Altos	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:43:00 - [132] Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 28/06/2011 18:43:56 Originally by: Akita T From a certain viewpoint, this is already happening. Sell PLEX for ISK, buy the best gear most others can't afford. You can sidestep the issue as much as you like, but fact remains, right now, and since many years ago, you CAN "pay to win" already. From the opposite viewpoint, this will never happen. Since all the items and services can be purchased INDIRECTLY with ISK (while somebody ELSE foots the cash bill for the PLEX), and the items themselves (once in the game) can be traded on the open market, everybody will have access to all content without ever spending a dime of real cash. So it can't possibly get more "pay to win" than it already is. So, what exactly is the issue ? Perception, maybe. Reality, most certainly not. The major difference between buying PLEX and using the NeX store is that PLEX does not bypass the player-driven economy. A player may be able to buy isk for cash, but still has to get his internet spceship and modules from the in-game economy.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:45:00 - [133] Originally by: Akita T ... You got owned, Akita. It is time for you to get over it. Shall we continue from where we agree that micro transactions break the immersion of gaming? --
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:47:00 - [134] Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2011 18:48:18 Originally by: Whitehound I have absolutely nothing to say. Then by all means, feel free to remain silent. Originally by: Calden De'Altos The major difference between buying PLEX and using the NeX store is that PLEX does not bypass the player-driven economy. A player may be able to buy isk for cash, but still has to get his internet spceship and modules from the in-game economy. It doesn't need to. Right now, if items would show up, yes, it would completely bypass it, since the NEX was launched in "skeleton" mode, not feature-complete. The NEX "target functionality" is duplicating and enhancing the LP shop, but using AUR instead of LP. WHEN (or if) that particular level of functionality is reached, the only actual difference between a LP shop and the NEX will be that instead of investing in-game time (for running the mission) you're investing real-life time turned into cash from your job. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
SkinSin	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:59:00 - [135] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Whitehound Please, do give more example of just how much posterior pain I'm in over previous verbal disputes and how nicely can I hold a grudge. Why, sure, why not, much obliged, if you asked so nicely... I'll use them googles and pull up a few really fast ! In here you were just rude . I wasn't very polite here, I agree. I should have realized ever since back then that you can't comprehend sarcasm. I know somebody in RL with the exact same problem. Nah, must be something else... Waaait a second here, is this all about T2 BPOs and lashing out ? Grudges, grudges, grudges... Oh, wait, it's not just me who annoys you, apparently Chribba pushes your buttons too. I snorted cola out of my nose! Akita T wins!! On a slightly different note: Originally by: Akita T Or maybe we could get Angelina Jolie to pose as the new Quafe Girl and promote her new "holo" movie... Naked? Yes Please!!!
Calden De'Altos	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:59:00 - [136] Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 28/06/2011 19:00:11 Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 28/06/2011 18:59:47 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Calden De'Altos The major difference between buying PLEX and using the NeX store is that PLEX does not bypass the player-driven economy. A player may be able to buy isk for cash, but still has to get his internet spceship and modules from the in-game economy. It doesn't need to. Right now, if items would show up, yes, it would completely bypass it, since the NEX was launched in "skeleton" mode, not feature-complete. The NEX "target functionality" is duplicating and enhancing the LP shop, but using AUR instead of LP. WHEN (or if) that particular level of functionality is reached, the only actual difference between a LP shop and the NEX will be that instead of investing in-game time (for running the mission) you're investing real-life time turned into cash from your job. The way I see it, you keep neglecting the fact that NeX would make the item from nothing (or that cash is the material the item is made of. That material does not require any player to gather, refine, or produce in game. This means that the NeX would be creating something from nothing -- which would hurt the player-driven economy, even if I can buy the items with isk (after laundering them through the crazy isk-plex-aur system).
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:06:00 - [137] Edited by: Whitehound on 28/06/2011 19:08:14 Originally by: Akita T You know, I had to actually google those old arguments, ... Yes, and you accused me of holding a grudge! How about you get back on topic and stop using me to ignore the other posters' arguments, who have been quoting you, while you do not want to argue with me? --
Jade Imp Caldari M. Corp -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:08:00 - [138] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Mara Rinn MTs mean that those who want to spend more money on the game can do so. It also means that if you allow them to do so will others leave the game. Nobody wants to play a game where some kid can walk into with extra cash in the pocket and can just shoot anyone in the face, or just walk around in better clothing than others. quote] http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win This is a 40 some odd min slideshow type thing done by one of the developers of Battlefield Heros that says you are wrong. No infamatory remarks intended or anthing of the kind. I highly suggest you watch it. I did and while I found parts of it disturbing for our situation right now I still found it to be a very good thing to watch and absorb. _______________________________________________ I'd have something witty here but my wits have left me for my alt.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:15:00 - [139] Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2011 19:19:55 Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Akita T You know, I had to actually google those old arguments, ... Yes, and you accused me of holding a grudge! Exactly. I HAD to look them up. Because I couldn't explain why you were acting so dense, and I only vaguely remembered possibly arguing with somebody of a similar name. Thankfully, I know google-fu. On the other hand, you seem to be perfectly capable of holding that grudge long after we stopped even crossing paths. "For you, the day you were verbally spanked was the most jarring day of your forum life. But for me... it was Tuesday." Yes, I just paraphrased a movie/videogame villain. Run with it. Go wild. Release the bees ! Quote: How about you get back on topic and stop using me to ignore the other posters' arguments, who have been quoting you, while you do not want to argue with me? The ones I had reasoning disagreements with (as opposed to mere difference of opinions over matters of taste, beliefs, trust or other personal preferences) that were not just endless repeats of the same argument variations I already tackled were already addressed. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:17:00 - [140] Originally by: Jade Imp ... and while I found parts of it disturbing for our situation right now I still found it to be a very good thing to watch and absorb. I am sure you did. --

Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:19:00 - [141] Originally by: Akita T I HAD to look them up. Because I couldn't explain why I ... Because of your grudge. --
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:22:00 - [142] Originally by: Haramir Haleths Hi, so we all knows CCP need more money for Dracula Online and Dust. Now they want produce more revenue due to selling us stuff in EvE and destroying game mechanics and economy. What do you thing about the idea to get more revenue by increasing the monthly fee a little bit. Maybe 2 Euro up per month instead of of selling game breaking crap. Discuss or just flame ... I'm not paying more money for a company's development plans on Dust and WoD. Know why? They bit off more than they could chew, and I'm ****ed that they did. They should have put WoD on the backburner, focused on Incarna and Dust, and finished those products properly before trying to do three different projects at once. So if they think about raising subscription fees, I'm quitting. I have ZERO interest in spending more than $15 a month. EVE already has the highest subscription price in the MMO market. No point in raising it even more.
Jade Imp Caldari M. Corp -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:26:00 - [143] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Jade Imp ... and while I found parts of it disturbing for our situation right now I still found it to be a very good thing to watch and absorb. I am sure you did. I'm guessing by the rather dismissive tone you won't even bother watching it will you? Your loss. _______________________________________________ I'd have something witty here but my wits have left me for my alt.
Faelune	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:30:00 - [144] Edited by: Faelune on 28/06/2011 19:35:03 Why pay more when the half of all the game will be saved and be grew on from the RMT is the most boring part of? Battling with Bs is so ... It's like watch a "domino cascade". Exciting before but after first strike you can turn yourself during the end time to make dishwashing.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:53:00 - [145] Originally by: Jade Imp I'm guessing by the rather dismissive tone you won't even bother watching it will you? Your loss. I did watch it sooner. Someone else posted it before. It means however as much to me like a reading out of the Bible or of Scientology. If you want to know what the success of a good game is should you ask the players why they play it, and not marketing why it sells. --


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