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Akrosi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
 Customers are funding the servers, your staff and your two other side projects.
They expect a fair and smooth running gaming experience, Gm's and support.
If customers want it, they'll have it. They pay you to provide a service CCP, don't forget your place.
You can't beta test your below subpar engine in eve online without at least giving people another option. Now get your **** together your an embarrassment to the development community. Your work ethic is appalling.
Signed. A casual player and fellow in the MMO field.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:20:00 -
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you're pretty gullible aren't you?
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Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:21:00 -
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This shows promise.
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Flag Bravo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:35:00 -
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Simple, they had better bring the hanger view back or I am history.
Why? Because they have not one farking reason not to bring it back.
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Oregin
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Flag Bravo
Why? Because they have not one farking reason not to bring it back.
Actually that's not true at all.
The most obvious reason being that it promotes vanity item sales for character customisation.
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Flag Bravo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Oregin
Originally by: Flag Bravo
Why? Because they have not one farking reason not to bring it back.
Actually that's not true at all.
The most obvious reason being that it promotes vanity item sales for character customisation.
So what is eve? A game or a farking on-line shop? 
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:10:00 -
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When did ship spinning go from being an insult to being a must have game mechanic?
Must have missed that one.
Mr Epeen
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Akrosi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:14:00 -
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Edited by: Akrosi on 01/07/2011 05:15:15
Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
you're pretty gullible aren't you?
Ever worked in dev? No? GTFo troll.
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Flag Bravo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:18:00 -
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The old players hanger was eve.
They may as well dumped space flight while they were at it.
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Naloth
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Naloth on 01/07/2011 05:24:30
Question. Why did you feel the need to make this a new thread?
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Flag Bravo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Naloth
Edited by: Naloth on 01/07/2011 05:24:30
Question. Why did you feel the need to make this a new thread?
Because he could.
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CowQueen MMXII
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:56:00 -
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Why is it exactly that people want to sit alone in their hangars and spin their ships?
a) Afraid to undock? Everybody out there is evil and just after YOU.
b) For visual stimulation? You know... internet spaceship p**n.
c) Just to complain about something? Hard to find something else...
It's not like you wouldn't undock when your ship isn't spinning right or if there weren't other ways to look at it from all sides (like in space).
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Scorpii Zenith
Minmatar
Ancient Heat
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Flag Bravo
Simple, they had better bring the hanger view back or I am history.
Why? Because they have not one farking reason not to bring it back.
First you whine for AMBULATION, WALKING IN STATION, and now you got it? What you do? Whine that you don't want it!
Or do you have slight problems with your BOTNET? 
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: CowQueen MMXII
Why is it exactly that people want to sit alone in their hangars and spin their ships?
Who said anything about doing it for long? I'm pretty sure if you've played this game for more than a few minutes you'll have spent some time in station waiting for the fleet to depart/waiting out your aggression flag/etc, and the old station interface is better because:
1) It looks better than the picture of a door we get to look at because most of us hate CQ and turned it off the moment we logged in post-Incarna.
2) It took away the easy way of getting to your cargo/drone bays (double click the background for cargo, right-click the ship picture for drones/etc). Now you have to open the ships window and right-click your ship icon there.
3) It took away the easy way of seeing what ship you're currently flying, so now you have to open the ships window to make sure you aren't about to undock in the wrong ship.
But mostly we're mad that CCP removed a feature and replaced it with something LESS convenient, just to force us to beta-test the engine for their new MMO. There was no reason, other than pure short-sighted greed, to make CQ mandatory instead of just having a "leave pod" button in the old hangar.
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Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Oregin
Originally by: Flag Bravo
Why? Because they have not one farking reason not to bring it back.
Actually that's not true at all.
The most obvious reason being that it promotes vanity item sales for character customisation.
ok so even if they want to promote vanity (and possibly non-vanity item in future) items why not give us a reason to use it.. also they could make the ship click able to bring up the spinning hanger view...
for now the fitting screen works for that
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GOTCHA!!! lulz in da house
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Zel Nughat
Amarr
Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:13:00 -
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What really bothers me about it, it is that before incarna 1.0, when you went to a station and docked, you where supposed (or it was assumed) that you were still at the helm of your ship.
Your ship's controls and options, and the hangar options were readily accessible, by double-clicking or direct menu selection.
This is no longer the case, now when I dock, the only thing I have on my screen is a picture of the closed CQ's exit door, very claustrophobic.
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Senlia Hucel-Ge
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: CowQueen MMXII
Why is it exactly that people want to sit alone in their hangars and spin their ships?
2) It took away the easy way of getting to your cargo/drone bays (double click the background for cargo, right-click the ship picture for drones/etc). Now you have to open the ships window and right-click your ship icon there.
3) It took away the easy way of seeing what ship you're currently flying, so now you have to open the ships window to make sure you aren't about to undock in the wrong ship.
You could just use the hologram. It updates to your currently selected ship and lets you use cargo, drones, fitting.
Oh wait, you disabled CQ, so you only see the door. Never mind then.
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Karthwritte
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Senlia Hucel-Ge
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: CowQueen MMXII
Why is it exactly that people want to sit alone in their hangars and spin their ships?
2) It took away the easy way of getting to your cargo/drone bays (double click the background for cargo, right-click the ship picture for drones/etc). Now you have to open the ships window and right-click your ship icon there.
3) It took away the easy way of seeing what ship you're currently flying, so now you have to open the ships window to make sure you aren't about to undock in the wrong ship.
You could just use the hologram. It updates to your currently selected ship and lets you use cargo, drones, fitting.
Oh wait, you disabled CQ, so you only see the door. Never mind then.
The hologram only works for giving the avatar a funny looking erection with the ships.
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Senlia Hucel-Ge
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Karthwritte
Originally by: Senlia Hucel-Ge
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: CowQueen MMXII
Why is it exactly that people want to sit alone in their hangars and spin their ships?
2) It took away the easy way of getting to your cargo/drone bays (double click the background for cargo, right-click the ship picture for drones/etc). Now you have to open the ships window and right-click your ship icon there.
3) It took away the easy way of seeing what ship you're currently flying, so now you have to open the ships window to make sure you aren't about to undock in the wrong ship.
You could just use the hologram. It updates to your currently selected ship and lets you use cargo, drones, fitting.
Oh wait, you disabled CQ, so you only see the door. Never mind then.
The hologram only works for giving the avatar a funny looking erection with the ships.
Well, you do see your active ship easily and clearly. What is just so-so ist the ship's options - although that is one-click, you first have to go near it...
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:53:00 -
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Given the international nature of the game and the cultural differences I'd like to point out something that I haven't yet seen realized by anyone and that not everyone will get. CCP took away our ability to ship spin and instead basically told us to sit and spin. Sit and spin being a sort of an insult. It works as follows:
1) Raise right hand in a fist
2) Raise middle finger
3) Tell your target to sit and spin
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Senlia Hucel-Ge
You could just use the hologram. It updates to your currently selected ship and lets you use cargo, drones, fitting.
Oh wait, you disabled CQ, so you only see the door. Never mind then.
Exactly. Why would I run a hardware-melting memory-eating waste of time when I have this much more appealing door to look at? And of course even with CQ enabled the hologram doesn't solve everything, since you have to be standing in a location where it is visible, and preferably large enough to be obvious without spending as much effort looking for it as it would take to open the ships window.
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Flag Bravo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpii Zenith
Originally by: Flag Bravo
Simple, they had better bring the hanger view back or I am history.
Why? Because they have not one farking reason not to bring it back.
First you whine for AMBULATION, WALKING IN STATION, and now you got it? What you do? Whine that you don't want it!
Or do you have slight problems with your BOTNET?
Quote me, were I whined for AMBULATION, WALKING IN STATION. I didn't did I? Doh!!!
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:15:00 -
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I'm a pod pilot. I dont want to have to keep decanting myself from my pod just to access things I used to be able to do from inside my pod, do you know how painful the plumbing connections are to remove never mind insert?
Vanity items have zero interest for me. A pod pilots vanity is, or should be, his ship, his engines and his weapons. All else is fluff, and i'm not a fluffer.
CCP Devs are hard workers and dedicated to THIER game, unfortunately it seems that THIER game and the one I THOUGHT I was playing are becoming two totally different beasts. I mourn for the game that was, and have decreasing interest in the game that it is turning in to.
I've been playing since December 2003 and have enjoyed this game greatly, BUT the day I can buy ammo and ships or standings increases with aurum is the day I mulch my character (don't even bother asking for my stuff, I'm taking it to the grave with me) and delete eve from my system. |
Ubu
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:42:00 -
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It's not about ship spinning per se. Stop trying to make fun of people who just want to spin ships in docks. That's not what they want. That's not what I want.
What we had: A simple interface that got us into our hangers and allowed us to do what we needed to do to get back out of dock. I.E. Configure ship, load unload stuff from cargo, get missions etc.
What we have: Except for the advertised as temporary static door we are given a captains quarters. A graphically heavy, slower to load environment that is less efficient and takes more clicks and time to get everything you wanted done. As far as playing the game, it's a step backwards.
The motivation is clear, CCP wants opportunity for a cash grab and they believe if an opt-out is available too many people would use it. Too many people would not be looking at the barbie dolls and salivating at the tight set of slacks in the closet. To me, this shows that CCP doesn't even have confidence in their WIS strategy and realize that too many people wouldn't want to play that game. Rather than re-think their approach with something that might actually make the game better to play, more desirable, they went with forcing everyone to use it. It's a failure of imagination and a motion of greed over interest.
When I say, "I want my spinning ship" I'm saying I want the more efficient system that best allows me to play my spaceship game.
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:56:00 -
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if this is true, then CCP are truly idiots. I would use stronger words. When you take the whole game out of the equation and look at the simple customer experience, it's shocking.
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Gerald Taric
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
2) It took away the easy way of getting to your cargo/drone bays (double click the background for cargo, right-click the ship picture for drones/etc). Now you have to open the ships window and right-click your ship icon there.
3) It took away the easy way of seeing what ship you're currently flying, so now you have to open the ships window to make sure you aren't about to undock in the wrong ship[
This two point can easily be solved. Just open up the ship window one time, and never close it again. This window let you access your ships easily with right-click, AND it highlights that one, which is active, AND it pops up whenever you dock a station thus it's not visible while being in space.
It's just "an other way".
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Denise Le'Slut
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:10:00 -
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relax, i'd say wait until WiS becomes what was promised so you can walk amongst others, and perhaps you won't look back to shipspinning in stations.
there is much room to improve for the station UI, and i am confident that shiphangar and other stuff will soon be as easy to access as before.
shipspinning will be missed but soon forgotten, cumbersome hangar access on the other hand is a pain in the ass.
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Ubu
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Denise Le'****
relax, i'd say wait until WiS becomes what was promised so you can walk amongst others, and perhaps you won't look back to shipspinning in stations.
there is much room to improve for the station UI, and i am confident that shiphangar and other stuff will soon be as easy to access as before.
shipspinning will be missed but soon forgotten, cumbersome hangar access on the other hand is a pain in the ass.
Missing the point.
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Denise Le'Slut
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:22:00 -
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not really, i basically just said what your closing was on your previous post
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When I say, "I want my spinning ship" I'm saying I want the more efficient system that best allows me to play my spaceship game.
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provitamin
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Akrosi
If customers want it, they'll have it. They pay you to provide a service CCP, don't forget your place.
and you came to this conclusion using yer head? This statement is very lulz tbh ... their services to you is a fact that they graciously let you play EVE, nothing more or less, you aint payin for ingame content nor for the way EVE was/is/will be going in the past/present/future, but for time you spend in this god damn game, so get your **** straight. If you want ship spinning back come with some better reason than this bull****. You are not in possition to demand anything unless you are owner of 50%+ CCP company .. simple logic
Just saying
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
When did ship spinning go from being an insult to being a must have game mechanic?
Must have missed that one.
Mr Epeen
LOL...
I would rather recline on the sofa watching the big screen while being camped, anyway....
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Shova Kais
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Shova Kais on 01/07/2011 08:59:25
Originally by: Mr Epeen
When did ship spinning go from being an insult to being a must have game mechanic?
Must have missed that one.
Mr Epeen
This, TBQFH. Goodbye ship spinning you will be miss-no wait I can still spin it from the fitting screen.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zel Nughat
What really bothers me about it, it is that before incarna 1.0, when you went to a station and docked, you where supposed (or it was assumed) that you were still at the helm of your ship.
Your ship's controls and options, and the hangar options were readily accessible, by double-clicking or direct menu selection.
This is no longer the case, now when I dock, the only thing I have on my screen is a picture of the closed CQ's exit door, very claustrophobic.
So go to your room then.
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:20:00 -
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I think what annoys people most is that it's not even an OPTION. I'm not talking about turning CQ off in the settings, that's already there and we get a horrible picture of a door. What is reasonable and realistic, is to be able to dock in your ship and still be in your ship while in the station if you're just quickly making some adjustments....for example, you need to fit an extra hardener or drop off some loot.
From a Practical and immersive point of view....it doesn't work at the moment
I've said it so many times, but, you should be able to exit your ship from the station view and enter the captains quarters..... Just for the people that want to walk in the station, sit on the sofa and other pointless activities. Each to their own.
Does that sound like something that should happen? I honestly don't think CCP are taking this particular issue seriously. It's getting buried under all the monocle and MT talk.
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Andraine
I think what annoys people most is that it's not even an OPTION. I'm not talking about turning CQ off in the settings, that's already there and we get a horrible picture of a door. What is reasonable and realistic, is to be able to dock in your ship and still be in your ship while in the station if you're just quickly making some adjustments....for example, you need to fit an extra hardener or drop off some loot.
From a Practical and immersive point of view....it doesn't work at the moment
I've said it so many times, but, you should be able to exit your ship from the station view and enter the captains quarters..... Just for the people that want to walk in the station, sit on the sofa and other pointless activities. Each to their own.
Does that sound like something that should happen? I honestly don't think CCP are taking this particular issue seriously. It's getting buried under all the monocle and MT talk.
It would be nice to have the choice. Agreed.
I wonder if there is an actual coding related reason, or if they simply want to give players an incentive to buy vanity items, since these items are kind of pointless when you are in your ship.
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Sir Asterix
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:37:00 -
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But you can still ship spin! Open your ship fittings window position it in the centre of the screen, make active the ship you'd like to spin and then spin the ship in the ship fitting window to your hearts content! |
Karii Ildarian
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Asterix
But you can still ship spin! Open your ship fittings window position it in the centre of the screen, make active the ship you'd like to spin and then spin the ship in the ship fitting window to your hearts content!
I think the issue has more to do with change itself, but yes, you are correct.
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:41:00 -
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The ability to open your fitting screen, just to spin your ship is completely missing the point of the argument.
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Sir Asterix
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:43:00 -
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I'd also like to point out if you have lots of time... the ship in the hanger does spin, just very slowly, sit there for half an hour and it might have gone all the way round once :)
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Asterix
I'd also like to point out if you have lots of time... the ship in the hanger does spin, just very slowly, sit there for half an hour and it might have gone all the way round once :)
lol i have CQ turned off as do many many people so that's useless. But again, missing the point dude.
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CowQueen MMXII
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:51:00 -
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Besides the performance issues some people seem to have, the solution to the ship spinning might be really, really simple:
just place the avatar heading towards the hangar (so he can see the ship) in front of the console from which you can access the usual stuff. Double clicking on it already opens the ship's cargo (if anybody noticed... some additional minor tweaks to the interface (always show the hologram, make all options double clickable)and there shouldn't be much left to complain about... well, except the actual ship spinning ;).
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Lentheb
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.02 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lentheb on 02/07/2011 19:39:11
Originally by: Amaron Ghant
I'm a pod pilot. I dont want to have to keep decanting myself from my pod just to access things I used to be able to do from inside my pod, do you know how painful the plumbing connections are to remove never mind insert?
Vanity items have zero interest for me. A pod pilots vanity is, or should be, his ship, his engines and his weapons. All else is fluff, and i'm not a fluffer.
CCP Devs are hard workers and dedicated to THIER game, unfortunately it seems that THIER game and the one I THOUGHT I was playing are becoming two totally different beasts. I mourn for the game that was, and have decreasing interest in the game that it is turning in to.
I've been playing since December 2003 and have enjoyed this game greatly, BUT the day I can buy ammo and ships or standings increases with aurum is the day I mulch my character (don't even bother asking for my stuff, I'm taking it to the grave with me) and delete eve from my system.
Read This Emergency Devblog which states:
Originally by: CCP
It is CCPæs plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.
The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. The CSM, under NDA, has been presented with CCPæs plans for continued evolution of the business model and agrees that nothing they saw breaks this principle. CCP has committed to sharing their plans with the CSM on this front on an ongoing basis.
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It is our game, or they would not be having an emergency CSM meeting. For those of you complaining about hardware melting and closed doors and no ship spinning, grow up and realize the patch is not even a week old. CCP's aim is to make money. While you or I may disagree with how they are making it, I do agree that they cannot attract new MMO players without a physical avatar, and now we have more than a face, which will encourage new players to come along, and I like that strategy, as I have more people to fly with and those who choose to become pirates deserve the right to try and blow me up...[/rant]
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