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DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:12:00 - [1] Edited by: DJ FunkyBacon on 01/07/2011 21:19:11 Tonight at Midnight we'll be picking up the discussion where we left off last week. Brendan Drain from Massively.com will be joining us again as well as former CCP employee and current CSM delegate, Seleene. There is an open invitation standing to any member of the CSM team currently in Iceland, though I am told most may be passed out from alcohol poisoning by showtime. A clever tactic CCP! (I kid, I kid) For those who may not be aware, Seleene was not able to fly to Iceland, though he has been attending most of the summit through teleconference, and has first hand knowledge of what has transpired thus far. How much he is able to share with us is another question, though we will certainly obtain as much as the NDA will allow us at this point. Last week's show was one of our most popular ever, gaining over 1800 live listeners, and over 5000 downloads that we're able to track. Tonight could be even bigger. What Tonight's Show is: A discussion between myself, willing CSM delegates and you folks here posting in this thread regarding present and future events in eve. This will be done in a professional and courteous manner. What Tonight's Show is not: Che FunkyBacon leading the revolution to take down CCP. You don't get willful cooperation from most people by whipping it out and having a pee in someone's eye. If you were part of the discussion last week, I think you know where I'm going here. I'm a concerned member of the community like anyone else, but I don't think using flames and aggression is a good way to gather information. ----- Anyways, I'm sure you guy have questions and issues you'd like brought up, please make your postings below. This time around we should have more time for specific player questions and topics providing something else doesn't get leaked in the middle of the broadcast. Further Info: Eve Radio Website My Facebook Page Twitter = @FunkyBacon Download and listen to Last Week's Show While no one from CCP will be on with us tonight, both Brendan and myself will be attending CCP press conferences this coming Tuesday, where we WILL have direct access to CCP to ask questions that need answering at that point.
Chogon Toil	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:15:00 - [2] This is at what time? That would be good to add...
Seleene	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:17:00 - [3] CSM delegate Vile Rat should be in attendance tonight as well. ---- Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff.
Koba Kyogen The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:18:00 - [4] YEAH!!! I will be tuning in, and I suggest you do too! Go get 'em, Funky! Koba Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:20:00 - [5] Now that MT is here will I be able to paint my ship like you can in APB (megathron covered in ponies) somewhere down the line?
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Chogon Toil This is at what time? That would be good to add... Midnight. It's in both the title and the first line of the OP... I have just emboldened it though for easier reading.
Koba Kyogen The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:22:00 - [7] Funky - where do I send the bill for the man hours of publicity I tossed your way today? jk Back hurts from liftin' the Bacon, FunkyBacon. EVE-RADIO.COM MIDNIGHT EVE-TIME. Koba Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
Chogon Toil	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:24:00 - [8] Edited by: Chogon Toil on 01/07/2011 21:27:14 Originally by: DJ FunkyBacon Originally by: Chogon Toil This is at what time? That would be good to add... Midnight. It's in both the title and the first line of the OP... I have just emboldened it though for easier reading. Ok, great, midnight... I'm going to go out on a limb here and ASSUME that's EvE time, but I honestly have no clue since you've not spelled it out for me and the other ******s. 00:00 EvE time then. (Thanks Koba)
Juan Sezole The Colonial Forces	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:25:00 - [9] VR ... drunk on radio WTP aurum to hear that oh and keep up the good work Funkai
Kim Aumer	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:26:00 - [10] Edited by: Kim Aumer on 01/07/2011 21:26:32 Timezone? what's a time zone? Ok, midnight, pod clock time. I'll probably have to listen to a recording 'cause that's well beyond my bedtime. My wrist watch is always two hours ahead... Will it be up for download?
Atreus Venom Gallente New Eden Hitmen	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:27:00 - [11] that means i gotta log into EvE to see what time it is... what time is eve? º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:29:00 - [12] Originally by: DJ FunkyBacon You don't get willful cooperation from most people by whipping it out and having a pee in someone's eye. It works for CCP. I'd also add that you don't get willful cooperation from a liar and a thief with a cute wish list edited by Miss Manners. Anyway, it's your show and if you want to bring a noobship with a cargo-full of e-honor to a gate camp, be my guest. Want to buy a monocle?
Atreus Venom Gallente New Eden Hitmen	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:29:00 - [13] is the timestamp on these forums the same as eve time? º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition
Kim Aumer	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Atreus Venom is the timestamp on these forums the same as eve time? yep, correct
Chogon Toil	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Atreus Venom that means i gotta log into EvE to see what time it is... what time is eve? If you have a world clock on your phone you can look up Reykjavik. I have one clock set to that time and it's 21:32 EvE and Iceland time right now which is 2:32pm on the West Coast (L.A., Portland, Seattle) of the U.S. and 5:32pm on the East Coast (NY, Miami, Boston).
Koba Kyogen The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:32:00 - [16] Edited by: Koba Kyogen on 01/07/2011 21:34:05 Originally by: Atreus Venom that means i gotta log into EvE to see what time it is... what time is eve? EVE Time is like Zulu/GMT I think. So Eastern Standard + 4 hours. Where do you live? We can tell you from that. Or check your pod clock in game, like you suggested. Tune in though man, gonna be ten pounds of Bacon in... EVE-Radio.com *Midnight EvE-Time. EST+4 hrs. Zulu time.* Koba Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Kim Aumer Edited by: Kim Aumer on 01/07/2011 21:26:32 Timezone? what's a time zone? Ok, midnight, pod clock time. I'll probably have to listen to a recording 'cause that's well beyond my bedtime. My wrist watch is always two hours ahead... Will it be up for download? Yes, this one should be available for download as well.
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:34:00 - [18] How many of the CSM delegates who were in Iceland are going to be on this talkback slot?
Kim Aumer	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:36:00 - [19] Originally by: DJ FunkyBacon Originally by: Kim Aumer Edited by: Kim Aumer on 01/07/2011 21:26:32 Timezone? what's a time zone? Ok, midnight, pod clock time. I'll probably have to listen to a recording 'cause that's well beyond my bedtime. My wrist watch is always two hours ahead... Will it be up for download? Yes, this one should be available for download as well. Perfect. When it is, please post the link in the first post if you could, ta. Regarding time - look here http://www.dxing.com/utcgmt.htm I found it using this thing called Google...
Chogon Toil	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Cancel Align NOW How many of the CSM delegates who were in Iceland are going to be on this talkback slot? Was Vile Rat there? If so, then him, and Seleene has been in contact so knows a fair bit.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Atreus Venom that means i gotta log into EvE to see what time it is... what time is eve? Table conversion for the US: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/central-time/convert/ So 7pm central timezone in the US...they have other conversions up there too. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Chogon Toil Originally by: Cancel Align NOW How many of the CSM delegates who were in Iceland are going to be on this talkback slot? Was Vile Rat there? If so, then him, and Seleene has been in contact so knows a fair bit. That's a fancy way of saying no one. So this discussion will be akin to the blind in one eye leading the blind. Perhaps someone should buy Seleene a monocle.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:44:00 - [23] Actually it's the blind leading the mute, because they're not allowed to actually say anything. Because they're all professional and courteous or something. Want to buy a monocle?
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:46:00 - [24] Edited by: DJ FunkyBacon on 01/07/2011 21:45:58 Originally by: Cancel Align NOW Originally by: Chogon Toil Originally by: Cancel Align NOW How many of the CSM delegates who were in Iceland are going to be on this talkback slot? Was Vile Rat there? If so, then him, and Seleene has been in contact so knows a fair bit. That's a fancy way of saying no one. So this discussion will be akin to the blind in one eye leading the blind. Perhaps someone should buy Seleene a monocle. CSM delegates who were not there physically had the option to join in through teleconferencing. I'm unsure if there was a video feed, but I know they were part of the conferences and discussions as they were happening.
Vlad Drakon	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:48:00 - [25] Bump
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:50:00 - [26] Edited by: Mister Smithington on 01/07/2011 21:50:48 I have a question. I mean, besides all the obvious ones that are still blanketed in NDA. . . Was there any discussion about reversing the bans on Helicity, Liang, and the other heroes of the revolution? Edit: I realize we're still several hours from the show. Thought I'd get in early.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:51:00 - [27] Want to buy a monocle?
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:53:00 - [28] Edited by: DJ FunkyBacon on 01/07/2011 21:54:20 CSM Guest Clarification: Our 2 confirmed guests this evening, while NOT in Iceland for the conference, attended the conference through skype, *were able to hear everything* that was discussed, *and were able to speak and be heard* in said conferences as well. ^-Added that to the OP. There seems to be some confusion as to what the direct knowledge of our guests tonight is.
Atreus Venom Gallente New Eden Hitmen	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:53:00 - [29] Edited by: Atreus Venom on 01/07/2011 21:54:16 Originally by: DJ FunkyBacon Originally by: Kim Aumer Edited by: Kim Aumer on 01/07/2011 21:26:32 Timezone? what's a time zone? Ok, midnight, pod clock time. I'll probably have to listen to a recording 'cause that's well beyond my bedtime. My wrist watch is always two hours ahead... Will it be up for download? Yes, this one should be available for download as well. FUNKYBACON YOU'RE MY HERO!!! º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:55:00 - [30] Originally by: DJ FunkyBacon CSM Guest Clarification: Our 2 confirmed guests this evening, while NOT in Iceland for the conference, attended the conference through skype, *were able to hear everything* that was discussed, *and were able to speak and be heard* in said conferences as well. ^-Added that to the OP. There seems to be some confusion as to the direct knowledge of our guests tonight is. Thanks for that - makes the discussion rather more pertinent. Keep up the good work.
Atreus Venom Gallente New Eden Hitmen	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:56:00 - [31] Edited by: Atreus Venom on 01/07/2011 21:57:12 to make it clear to everyone and i hope im right when i say this... the funkybacon show will start in about 2 hours º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.01 21:59:00 - [32] Edited by: Soden Rah on 01/07/2011 22:05:00 A lot of the 'rage' these past few weeks has been about the MT issues... The statements to date do not have much in the way of info about what was talked about in terms of immersion and RP and CQ... Namely the loss of the hanger view with players forced to disembark into CQ on every undock... And the pod weirdly sitting out on the end of a gantry instead of being in its own room... not to mention the litteny of lighting and technical issues... So could Seleene comment at all as to whether these issues were discussed in detail? and whether they will be properly addressed in the upcoming statement? Even if he can't reveal details of the actual content. I am concerned like most people about MT... But if the MT issue gets solved that still leaves the issues we had with CQ pre launch, And I don't want those issues to be forgotten. Also last question... Was there discussion about CCP communicating better [At all] with those testing and giving feedback on features on SiSi, and in development? I may not be able to stay up for the live show... could you post a link to the download in this thread when its up? Thanks Soden Rah EDIT: oh yes one other thought.... Will CCP be talking soon about what future things will be NeX items, an what will be in game player made items... IE ship paint jobs, corp/alliance decals, CQ upgrades furniture and such, corp/alliance meeting rooms, promenade shops and such.... Basically are they going to charge extra for any/all the Incarna content... If they are I will probably stay quit, I Was looking forward to having my own customised CQ and meeting up in alliance meeting rooms for strategic briefings and such... proper immersion stuff... and if they are going (after advertising it and making me want it for years) to try to make me pay extra for immersion I am afraid I will have to leave. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:04:00 - [33] Question to ask: Where is my rug Mittani?
Hunter Verdeen	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:06:00 - [34] Okay now it is worth tuning in for. We will have 2 people who have at least teleconferenced with CCP during the meetings. This means we hopefully will get some information grounded in fact rather than supposition and speculation as we have been getting over the past week and a half.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Hunter Verdeen Okay now it is worth tuning in for. We will have 2 people who have at least teleconferenced with CCP during the meetings. This means we hopefully will get some information grounded in fact rather than supposition and speculation as we have been getting over the past week and a half. You must be new at this. Want to buy a monocle?
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:14:00 - [36] Please read this post and ask Seleenne and Vile Rat if I am pretty damn close to what is going to happen. Originally by: Vandrion Ok peoples.. My two cents about the statement and the CSM: 1- The CSM was summoned to express our concerns. They did. CCP is the one that can decide what they are going to do. The CSM can't change what CCP's decision is. Deal with it. 2- The CSM is legally obligated to STFU... That's right folks! The Non-Disclosure Agreement means that the members of the CSM can be held LEGALLY responsible for disclosing information until CCP gives them permission.... 3- If you cannot understand this please GTFO of the game called life or atleast go get neutered/spayed so you can't breed your special brand of stupid........ Dev Blog/Statement: It is very easy to answer either yes or no.... That is not the answer we are going to get. CCP's answer will be BOTH yes and no. Here is the NO: No we won't see WTFBBQPWN Jovian BS that can take down PL's entire SC fleet solo No we won't see ammo that gives 5000% bonus to damage and hits for wrecking damage every time No we won't see mods that give you a 99% bonus to resist In other words the NO means we won't get super obvious game breakers.... Here is the YES: Yes we will be able to buy faction standings Yes we will see ammo that gives you a slight bonus to damage or cap usage Yes we will see faction towers reintroduced via the Nex Yes we will see attribute boosters and skill enhancers like Quafe Zero Now you see why it is taking time to make the statement... CCP has to spin it in an acceptable manner so 50% of the subscribers don't rage quit.....
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:17:00 - [37] Also... could you play "cows with guns" By Dana Lyons during the show?? -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Sluht Hunter	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:19:00 - [38] Already tuned in to the radio, waiting to hear the good news ( we hope).
Hunter Verdeen	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:21:00 - [39] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Originally by: Hunter Verdeen Okay now it is worth tuning in for. We will have 2 people who have at least teleconferenced with CCP during the meetings. This means we hopefully will get some information grounded in fact rather than supposition and speculation as we have been getting over the past week and a half. You must be new at this. No actually I listen to ER a lot and to be honest Funky's show is not my cup of tea. I also figure what we will get is BS and I can not discuss what was said however I am good at hearing what has not been said and reading how things are being said. I will not jump to any conclusions as I am waiting for the official announcment but I want as much (or little) real info as I can get as soon as possible. We all should be intrested to see how guarded or frank someone who was in the meetings (sort of) is.
Salpun Gallente Paramount Commerce	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:52:00 - [40] Was the Dust/EVE link talked about and clarified? That is the next big issue in my opinion. CCP has sayed they are going to keep the link small at first but the way they dealt with the issues this last week makes me douteful. How do you seperate the pay for advantage Dust model and the EVE hopefully pay for advantage free model. On another thread I speculated that possibly the solution was make P4advantage items in fights that involve eve players have a downside like easier targtabiliy from space. That way if a Dust team realises they are fighting a P4advantage using team they can call up help in eve to balance the sides. This will also boost eve players participation. As everyone likes to kill stuff people have payed real money for.
Mervent Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:57:00 - [41] 1 hour before show. His name was John Turbefield.
Dalketh	Posted - 2011.07.01 22:59:00 - [42] Cool looking forward to it!
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Salpun How do you seperate the pay for advantage Dust model and the EVE hopefully pay for advantage free model. Please exit the game... WoW ------>
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Vandrion Originally by: Salpun How do you seperate the pay for advantage Dust model and the EVE hopefully pay for advantage free model. SNIP image Please exit the game... WoW ------> Erm you needed to bold one more word... It wasn't the best worded phrase but he said 'hopefully pay for advantage FREE model' And in response to Salpun... I would like to get this mess sorted before thinking about the next one... particularly as CCP is not likely to release any details yet as to exactly how dust interacts with eve as they won't have worked it out yet. Asking for early feedback would be a good move on their part, but this mess needs to be fixed first. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Doctor Garamond Trebuchet Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:53:00 - [45] Edited by: Doctor Garamond Trebuchet on 01/07/2011 23:55:08 Funky I have a question for CSM. Did Hilmar apologize to the #CSM and seem actually remorseful. devs? part 2, is CCP sending out an email to all subs. I have unsubbed friends who no doubt get the email but don't check forums or the game. Thanks for doing this, I suggested the CSM do a live stream like the AT, or Ustream, but got shot down over twitter. This is better than nada thanks again! - "This is Monacleysmic Incarnage!" Ö - Nath Blazek CAS 101 Where is my Lab Coat? Monacle???
Quacka Minmatar Dark Tree Industries	Posted - 2011.07.01 23:56:00 - [46] Loved the last one. Lets hope for more breaking news :P
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:07:00 - [47] Tuned in. As of now I don't have a question other than yes/no?! Very interested though to hear what we'll get tonight. Last show was pretty epic.
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:07:00 - [48] Sorry guys, we are having some technical issues, the show is pushed back 30 minutes. We're still coming.
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:10:00 - [49] Originally by: DJ FunkyBacon Sorry guys, we are having some technical issues, the show is pushed back 30 minutes. We're still coming. Fair play, thanks for the update.
ROAR Exodus	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:13:00 - [50] thats so ccp like
Ribaldry	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:30:00 - [51] This didn't get addressed last time, hopefully it will this time. Obviously we can already purchase power items for real money with PLEX->ISK. One of the redeeming qualities of the PLEX system is that we can choose to not support the PLEX system ( and bazaar ). We can choose to earn the items in game. This makes PLEX a Zero Sum Game PLEX was also acceptable since it was a direct attack on 3rd party RMT which everyone favors. AURUM is a one way conversion. Which means you can NEVER break even. I bought PLEX late last year, sold it, and later earned 350mil and "sold" the isk back by applying the new plex. You can't do this with AURUM. PLEX goes in but can't come back out. Also, AURUM uses a bull**** marketing driven conversion rate ( price points ). You are only allowed to buy a $20 bill, but all the items cost $21 so you have to purchase $40. Another goal of this system is to disassociate the real life value of the currency so consumers will spend more than they want (see MS points or Zynga bucks or w/e). This is compounded since you have to deal with at least 2 currency conversions and possibly three.
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:32:00 - [52] shows begun
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:34:00 - [53] Edited by: jackaloped on 02/07/2011 00:36:57 Question for any csm who knows: Did CCP indicate when they may assign more devs to the actual gameplay of eve (in space eve)? If so, when and how many? thanks
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:35:00 - [54] We are now live. 3 minutes until we're up and talking. Cartman is on for the moment.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:41:00 - [55] could you play the background music slightly quieter... it makes it harder to hear the guys on the phone... thanks -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:48:00 - [56] Press conferences on Tuesday... Huh? And, am I hearing that we will in fact get our CSM/CCP statements tomorrow - this is confirmed?
Ammzi	Posted - 2011.07.02 00:51:00 - [57] Edited by: Ammzi on 02/07/2011 00:51:01 Question to CSM in EVE radio. Do you think the emergency meeting hosted by CCP was a good idea? And my greetings to Doc Nielsen from Ammzi :)
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:03:00 - [58] lol this is like talking to beavis and butthead...what's the point?
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:07:00 - [59] Can we have thoughts on the non- MT issues... as I outlined in my post earlier in this thread... I would like to know if the MT issues have drowned them out. Because those issues are still important. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Kord Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:09:00 - [60] Question for the panel: Has a follow up meeting between CCP and the CSM (either physically or by VOIP/Skype etc) been organized or do both parties believe that all issues have been resolved without the need for further discussion?
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:13:00 - [61] Wow, this show isn't completely sucking. Even though 'we don't have as much stuff to talk about.' Want to buy a monocle?
Cutter Isaacson Minmatar Fearsome Engine	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:14:00 - [62] please kick butternut from the channel dude Originally by: Not CCP Zinfandel CCP Zinfandel: ****ING SPACE MONOCLES!
Liva Daril Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:14:00 - [63] Edited by: Liva Daril on 02/07/2011 01:15:09 Hard to come up with something not locked by the NDA. How is CCP Pann and her family ? Hope everything went well! Quote: His name was John Turbefield!
Azerick Koslova Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:16:00 - [64] Curious to know if Soundwave was involved in the meetings.
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:16:00 - [65] I have a question for the panel. did the CSM bring up the current sov system and supercaps ?
Benilopax Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:17:00 - [66] Will CCP from this point on, involve us more in the development process either through CSM or surveys? ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.
Badeo Beta	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:17:00 - [67] Were the disclosures in RE CCP's finances addressed at the meeting in any way? Will it be addressed with the community?
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:18:00 - [68] Can you see Alaska from your house? What magazines/newspapers do you like to read? Want to buy a monocle?
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:18:00 - [69] Edited by: San Severina on 02/07/2011 01:21:41 Are we talking about nuclear weapon launch codes or the answer to a simple question? I'm confused. edit;How to say Yes in 39 languages
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:20:00 - [70] I didn't catch who said it but... You say the soft voice doesn't get heard... Those of us who were giving test server feedback were yelling at ccp. are you saying CCP is incapable of responding to those giving test server feedback? I mean this is something I said to ccp shortly before release... linky "EDIT: oh and I am obliged to say.... Going into Hanger view on docking instead of CQ still not available... When we get to patch day, and you still haven't fixed this, The mac client still doesn't work, and half your customers get borked every time they dock, the forums explode in a flame war, and you have to roll-back before finally installing the option to load CQ... DON'T say we didn't warn you..." -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Maplestone Myth and Peace Lords	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:22:00 - [71] Edited by: Maplestone on 02/07/2011 01:27:29 If CEOs start setting a dress code for their corps, would cloths still be considered vanity items? (I guess that's too close to NDA-land)
Seleene	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:22:00 - [72] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Can you see Alaska from your house? What magazines/newspapers do you like to read? ---- Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff.
Liva Daril Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:22:00 - [73] Edited by: Liva Daril on 02/07/2011 01:22:48 Originally by: San Severina Are we talking about nuclear weapon launch codes or the answer to a simple question? I'm confused. They¦re overly concerned over the NDA and their own a$$es getting sued if they reveal too much. A bit too paranoid IMHO. Quote: His name was John Turbefield!
Skogen Gump The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:23:00 - [74] Question: Was Oveur involved ? Star Fraction
Tak149 Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:23:00 - [75] Originally by: Liva Daril Edited by: Liva Daril on 02/07/2011 01:22:48 Originally by: San Severina Are we talking about nuclear weapon launch codes or the answer to a simple question? I'm confused. They¦re overly concerned over the NDA and their own a$$es getting sued if they reveal too much. A bit too paranoid IMHO. Depends how much was in the NDA
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:24:00 - [76] Is Casey Anthony guilty of murder? Were any members of CSM particularly pro-protest or pro-CCP? If so, who? Did any members of CSM grab old copies of Fearless for public distribution? Want to buy a monocle?
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:24:00 - [77] Seleene I am glad I voted for you because I know you thought ccp spent too much time on incarna. Was there any attempt to get some more devs on eve gameplay? here is the question again: Originally by: jackaloped Edited by: jackaloped on 02/07/2011 00:36:57 Question for any csm who knows: Did CCP indicate when they may assign more devs to the actual gameplay of eve (in space eve)? If so, when and how many? thanks
Liva Daril Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:25:00 - [78] Edited by: Liva Daril on 02/07/2011 01:27:22 Edited by: Liva Daril on 02/07/2011 01:25:29 Originally by: Tak149 Originally by: Liva Daril Edited by: Liva Daril on 02/07/2011 01:22:48 Originally by: San Severina Are we talking about nuclear weapon launch codes or the answer to a simple question? I'm confused. They¦re overly concerned over the NDA and their own a$$es getting sued if they reveal too much. A bit too paranoid IMHO. Depends how much was in the NDA Judging from Mittani¦s tweets about his "moods" it can¦t be that killer. Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Liva Daril A bit too paranoid IMHO. It's not right for Vile or I to circumvent that process. We'll talk about what we can without crossing that line. Ah Ok, that makes more sense. Frustrating though. Quote: His name was John Turbefield!
Seleene	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:25:00 - [79] Edited by: Seleene on 02/07/2011 01:25:59 Originally by: Liva Daril Originally by: San Severina Are we talking about nuclear weapon launch codes or the answer to a simple question? I'm confused. They¦re overly concerned over the NDA and their own a$$es getting sued if they reveal too much. A bit too paranoid IMHO. It's more of a courtesy issue - CCP and the CSM will be releasing the statements about the summit jointly. It's not right for Vile or I to circumvent that process. We'll talk about what we can without crossing that line. ---- Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:26:00 - [80] Does DJ duckaduck feel betrayed by the people he knows who work at CCP? Was there ever talk of broadcasting the talks live? Were CSM more interested in looking cool/disinterested or being serious? Want to buy a monocle?
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:26:00 - [81] ok twitter length question... (this is what the worlds coming too ) Was there debate at these meetings covering issues other than the MT issues, in the Incarna release? And will they be addressed in the statement? IE CQ role-play immersion ect... I would really like some kind of answer to this.... -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:27:00 - [82] Originally by: Seleene It's more of a courtesy issue - CCP and the CSM will be releasing the statements about the summit jointly. It's not right for Vile or I to circumvent that process. We'll talk about what we can without crossing that line. Will you perhaps have more thoughts to tell us - your personal views - after the statements come out?
Gunther Hlaegus	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:27:00 - [83] Without going into specifics that would violate the NDA....was the issue of making Captain's Quarters optional addressed? A yes or no is sufficient answer. Thank you very much. -Gunny
Gil Roland	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:27:00 - [84] Short question: Does anyone care (in the community, in the radio, in the CSM, at CCP) about helicity and the other guy (can't remember the name) permaban? I think is at least ungrateful forget about this guys
Tak149 Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:28:00 - [85] What about the people who got banned during the week? Anything on that at all? (Perhaps I missed it) Like these people:
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:28:00 - [86] Here's a good question: Is water wet? (Will you be able to talk more once you're able to talk more?) Want to buy a monocle?
Enkidu Uruksen Wakizashi Renaissance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:29:00 - [87] One of the CSMs implied that there will be a CSM release and a CCP release. Were they not able to agree on a joint release?
Jita Denson	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:29:00 - [88] Question for the show Were any issues raised in CCPs recent financial summary raised? i.e. investments, WoD and Dust cash vaccuum?
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:29:00 - [89] Yawn, anything we can talk about?
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:31:00 - [90] Did anybody point out to CCP that EVE is already the most expensive subscription-based MMO in the world and that their P2W model only works with F2P games? Want to buy a monocle?
Erik Finnegan Gallente Polytechnique Gallenteenne	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:32:00 - [91] Edited by: Erik Finnegan on 02/07/2011 01:32:35 I think you can say over and over again that the fact the CSM is bound by an NDA does not mean that they are not representing player opinion right. The are the NGO towards CCP. CCP cannot talk to players, so they are obviously happy to invite the CSM. Flying the CSM to Iceland on short notice is really not for fun. CCP is influenced by players through the CSM. It will not be CSMs fault if CCP does not agree with every single player's opinion at the same time.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:32:00 - [92] Edited by: Soden Rah on 02/07/2011 01:34:43 ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! CQ upgrades for AUR is totally absolutely wrong!!! It's selling immersion for real cash. its unacceptable!!! I will not stay if that happens... I HAVE cancelled, I gave them a reason why. I am not re subbing unless they get this right. Please CSM members realise that for RP players 'vanity' items are important for immersion and if they are to be AUR items that breaks immersion which removes the point... Please talk about this this is not NDA stuff... EDIT: NO NO NO I won't spend real money on vanity items which means I lose immersion... So I can't play! Also any MT breaks the player market!!! Are ANY CSM members Role Players?? can you please address this!!! -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:33:00 - [93] Breaking News: If eventually everybody else leaves and there is no more EVE, DJ Duckaduck will quit! Want to buy a monocle?
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:33:00 - [94] Originally by: Soden Rah I didn't catch who said it but... You say the soft voice doesn't get heard... Those of us who were giving test server feedback were yelling at ccp. are you saying CCP is incapable of responding to those giving test server feedback? I mean this is something I said to ccp shortly before release... linky "EDIT: oh and I am obliged to say.... Going into Hanger view on docking instead of CQ still not available... When we get to patch day, and you still haven't fixed this, The mac client still doesn't work, and half your customers get borked every time they dock, the forums explode in a flame war, and you have to roll-back before finally installing the option to load CQ... DON'T say we didn't warn you..." Unfortunately it wasn't enough people for CCP to care, as they are used to ignoring good constructive feedback and then when people yell they still ignore it. Perfect examples the CC and the 'new' forums people tested them and yelled about the shortcomings CCP didn't care. Only when a mass uprising swells up do they look at it and think 'oh we better deal with this' not 'oh maybe what they are saying is valid' or 'we should consider their thoughts' just 'we need to deal with this' read 'spin'/damage control. So unless there is a fundamental change in CCP after this, doubtful, we'll continue to see CCP's SOP; push out crap ignoring testing feedback/bugs/etc or just work on them after releasing an inferior product/feature. Some things will get fixed but the rest of the issues are 'working as intended'. That or many more people will have to test and rage on a continuing basis for CCP's poor QA/development process. Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:34:00 - [95] Did the CSM get to talk to Dr E in relation to all of this? If so, will anything of interst to be forthcoming, such as their background thinking? My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:34:00 - [96] Voting with your wallet is not the end of the world..you can always resub after the point was made. If a bunch of players do it..they will react. This is the only way to vote.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:35:00 - [97] Could you please indicate what specific questions can't be answered due to nda that would be helpful. I guess my question couldn't.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:36:00 - [98] We already have P2W, it's called PLEX. How 'bout we draw the line there? Aurum is the problem. Want to buy a monocle?
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:36:00 - [99] No-one makes clothing. how are we going to have clothing stores if clothes are not player made and cost more than real clothes? -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
tika te	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:37:00 - [100] Edited by: tika te on 02/07/2011 01:37:15 question: why do i have to pay for a game feature (lets say paint job) with real money after paying the monthly sub. fee? isn't that doublebilling?
Juan Sezole The Colonial Forces	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:38:00 - [101] [01:37:17] Juan Sezole > [01:36:31] Juan Sezole > Question : Did CCP actually engage or was it "this is the situation deal with it"
Neom Disaki	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:38:00 - [102] What about convenience or functionality (such as extra fitting slots), or other things that don't directly affect the market or combat, but that most people would feel should be included in their base subscription already?
Yabba Addict	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:39:00 - [103] Would the CSM ever use resignation as a form of protest? Subscription 2.0 û the future is TODAY!
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:40:00 - [104] yes but you guys are not against vanity MT's are any of you role players???????? -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:40:00 - [105] Why do you keep insisting it was an issue of 'misunderstanding' when the communication with CCP in the last 2 weeks has been clearer than it's been in the last 2.5 years (how long I've been playing)? Want to buy a monocle?
Ashley Masaro	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:41:00 - [106] Did you talked about spaceships in space there too ?
Dirk Smacker Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:41:00 - [107] QUESTION: How about a PvE advantage for aurum that would do something like bump up a destroyed faction standing to a low negative number so the player can start building standing with them or access their hi sec space again? Would that be acceptable to the panel?
Tugrath Akers	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:42:00 - [108] What are the general thoughts on other 'out of nowhere' items, such as the recent Quafe Zero?
Liva Daril Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:42:00 - [109] Originally by: Soden Rah No-one makes clothing. how are we going to have clothing stores if clothes are not player made and cost more than real clothes? The obvious answer would be to move clothes off the market and into player rent-able station "gaps". Wee. \o/ Quote: His name was John Turbefield!
Doctor Garamond Trebuchet Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:42:00 - [110] Originally by: Soden Rah yes but you guys are not against vanity MT's are any of you role players???????? Good question, any of them RPers? - "This is Monacleysmic Incarnage!" Ö - Nath Blazek CAS 101 Where is my Lab Coat? Monacle???
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:43:00 - [111] Does CSM is 'doing the best that we can do' mean the same as 'best that we can do with a hangover'? Do you really think the goal is to 'keep EVE going on'? Want to buy a monocle?
Starbuck Raider Dead On Arrival Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:44:00 - [112] For the press conference: I think it's important, if they DO rule out direct MTs for non-vanity transactions, to get an absolute guarantee that non-vanity products will never be attached on somehow indirectly to MTs, i.e. it's critical to ensure their answer is not given with any potential future loopholes to begin to ease all of this understandable anger and distrust in the community.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:44:00 - [113] Someone said we want ccp to burn... We don't want ccp to die..we just don't trust them anymore really. We have resolved these topics already and look what happend.
Ralon Perin Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:44:00 - [114] Did the CSM on the show tonight get the impression CCP is still into EVE Online for the "long term"?
Juan Sezole The Colonial Forces	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:45:00 - [115] [01:44:05] Juan Sezole > QUESTION : Are those who were wrongfully banned have their accounts reinstated???
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:45:00 - [116] There's this guy from 2005 on massively. Straw man, meet everadio panel. Want to buy a monocle?
Katya Constantine	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:46:00 - [117] Did they ever mention anything about CQ being optional ?
Tak149 Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:46:00 - [118] What about these guys who called out CCP?
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:47:00 - [119] EVE is supposed to be a Massively Multiplayer online ROLE PLAYING Game... Are any CSM members Role Players? and are any of you looking out for the concerns of Role Players? Also can you please answer some of our/my questions? -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:49:00 - [120] Have you guys read the vanity fair article about people from iceland? Is it true that walking down the street in Reyk is like a mosh pit? Are there any other observations in the article you found illuminating? Want to buy a monocle?
Rikki Retardo	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:49:00 - [121] Funky is fair and balanced just like Fox News lol
ROAR Exodus	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:50:00 - [122] During the meetings with CCP, Did you get any impresion that certain decisions were set and unchangable? Was there an Idea that there was influence from higher up? (stockholders or whatever)
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:51:00 - [123] You keep asking the same blasted MT questions... you can't say anything more about it, you keep telling us you can't say any more about it.. so could you cover the non-MT issues, and answer the same questions about them... IE were they discussed. also my questions about the CSM are not NDA covered. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp.	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:51:00 - [124] I posted this on IRC, but then I heard that eve-o might be a better place, and since it hasn't been asked yet: How much sleep has Internal Affairs gotten this last week, and what else - if anything - can you tell us about any investigation into the source of the leaks?
daveo911	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:51:00 - [125] Question for them: Can you comment on the gerneral attitude you experienced recently with ccp? are they in damage control mode only or are they ernest in wanting to work out a solution? Hows their attitude at the most recent meeting compare and contrast previous meetings? (yes or no) Did they share with you how many Nex items had been sold so far? (yes or no) did they share how many unsubscribes they have seen?
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:52:00 - [126] not one post so far from a monocle wearing troll, interesting
Cosmoes Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:52:00 - [127] It seems CCP has a attitude of forced optimism would this be accurate? that attitude doesn't work well for trying to fix bugs/make refined content which is one of my main complaints with eve. ------------------- piccy
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:53:00 - [128] What was CCP's reaction? Oh ****, we thought we got rid of Mynxee and Teadaze. Want to buy a monocle?
Yabba Addict	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:54:00 - [129] Do you think this has hurt trust in CCP more than the T20 event? Subscription 2.0 û the future is TODAY!
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:54:00 - [130] I am not asking for direct NDA breaking answers, so could you try answering those. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:54:00 - [131] With out anything specific as part of the answer, did the CSM change CCP's mind on anything? Yes/No? My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
Nikita Alterana Clearly Compensating Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:54:00 - [132] it seems like a lot of CCP has lost touch with its consumer base, they sees eve players as a cash cow, instead of as investors and partners, which seemed to be the old attitude they had towards us. Can this change in direction be turned around and has this event maybe catalysed a return to the more open, communicative CCP of old? Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
Tora Hokori Amarr The Azerick Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:54:00 - [133] Anybody can sit there and "presume" to know what someone would think if they were in CCP's shoes in this situation... The question was... What impression were you left with? It's okay to say, "We only teleconferenced in so we didn't see body language or really see much facial detail etc etc."
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:56:00 - [134] Ok I guess this couldn't be answered. Please ask this at the press conference. Originally by: jackaloped Edited by: jackaloped on 02/07/2011 00:36:57 Question for any csm who knows: Did CCP indicate when they may assign more devs to the actual gameplay of eve (in space eve)? If so, when and how many? thanks
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:56:00 - [135] something big is coming down the pike guys, why else the press conference ??
Koba Kyogen The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:56:00 - [136] Funky! So far so good! Question: Would you please ask each member of the panel to offer their opinion on the following; "Based on your experience at the CSM Summit, do you expect EvE will continure to thrive and grow, with the projected course CCP has chosen?". Try it, I would like to know and assume others would dig that question - Koba Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:56:00 - [137] Why should we believe the statements that CCP issues?? They have not lived up to their statements in the past.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:59:00 - [138] Edited by: Soden Rah on 02/07/2011 02:02:26 When you come back... You have 2 CSM members... Are any CSM members RP'ers? And do the concerns of RP'ers in eve get represented by The CSM? I ask because saying that buying CQ Upgrades and such in the NeX is ok, is Horrible from a RP/immersion standpoint. EDIT: the point is that if you have to pay for immersion then eve stops being fun. this is why I unsubbed. and wont be resubbing if they force me to pay for immersion. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Maplestone Myth and Peace Lords	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:59:00 - [139] Are CCP and CSM confident that the root cause of the communication breakdown has been identified?
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 01:59:00 - [140] Originally by: Adunh Slavy With out anything specific as part of the answer, did the CSM change CCP's mind on anything? Yes/No? +1
Grimnir	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:01:00 - [141] To the panel: "Buttery biscuit base?"
Koba Kyogen The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:02:00 - [142] Originally by: San Severina Originally by: Adunh Slavy With out anything specific as part of the answer, did the CSM change CCP's mind on anything? Yes/No? +1 ^this +1 Ask plz. Koba Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
Cosmoes Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:03:00 - [143] Are we gonna get a recording of the press release? ------------------- piccy
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:03:00 - [144] Seleene: Having read many other editions of Fearless, is there stuff that we don't know or haven't seen that if we read would make us way more ****ed off than we are now? Want to buy a monocle?
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:06:00 - [145] You keep saying vanity items is not too bad... and that's your opinion... but can you please express the view that the items you keep talking about are important for immersion and if you have to pay for it it destroys immersion... -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:06:00 - [146] could i please have this one answered. does the panel not think that CCP cannot increase the subs upper limit numbers, so MT's are the only way to go ?
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:07:00 - [147] Edited by: jackaloped on 02/07/2011 02:07:52 Originally by: Ashley Masaro Did you talked about spaceships in space there too ? No that seems not to be a topic of interest for this crew.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:08:00 - [148] Do you have anything to say to the appeasing Vichy/Chamberlain douchebags like Jayne and Jade who don't seem to know what the fuss is all about? Want to buy a monocle?
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:10:00 - [149] You've just said the riots worked. Was it the riots or was it the people unsubscribing or both? (I didn't riot because I thought that would just drive up the # of people logged in.) Was Mynxee offered the option to Skype-in on this meeting? Want to buy a monocle?
Rikki Retardo	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:10:00 - [150] This show is great everything is crystal clear now thanks to you and your panel we can all breath a sigh of relief and rest easily.
Fastercart Gallente Ornery Cantankerous Curmudgeons	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:11:00 - [151] Question: What plans do CCP have for players having heat related issues with running Captain Quarters?
Hailey Sunweaver Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:11:00 - [152] Edited by: Hailey Sunweaver on 02/07/2011 02:11:30 Just tuned in. People are commenting saying they won't accept any answer unless it is delivered by hillmar. Has he changed his tone since the leaked e-mail at all ?
Nikita Alterana Clearly Compensating Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:12:00 - [153] Originally by: Soden Rah Edited by: Soden Rah on 02/07/2011 02:02:26 When you come back... You have 2 CSM members... Are any CSM members RP'ers? And do the concerns of RP'ers in eve get represented by The CSM? I ask because saying that buying CQ Upgrades and such in the NeX is ok, is Horrible from a RP/immersion standpoint. EDIT: the point is that if you have to pay for immersion then eve stops being fun. this is why I unsubbed. and wont be resubbing if they force me to pay for immersion. I'd like this answered as well Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:12:00 - [154] Apparently DJ duckaduck missed the earlier part of the show where that question was answered. Want to buy a monocle?
Koba Kyogen The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:13:00 - [155] QUESTION: What time GMT/ZULU/EvE Time will the .mp3 version of the program be available? Koba Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.[
Draekas Darkwater	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:13:00 - [156] Could we get an itemized list of what was discussed at the meetings? (ie. what specific topics were addressed?)
Poetic Stanziel Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:13:00 - [157] What is the chance of a CCP to Player contract, that guarantees the MT roadmap for EVE Online going forward?
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:18:00 - [158] Good grief DUST514 IS going to be PART of EVE, MT are PART of EVE. Limiting yourselves to just this little snippet of the problem is no different than asking if the issues will happen this week and NOT asking or caring what happens after that. We KNOW Dust514 will have MT asking how that effects EVE OR at least bringing it up to CCP so they don't operate on the idea that whatever they want to do is 'cool' in addition to working on it for months before they ever look or think about it from a player's POV. Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:18:00 - [159] Q: Because AkJon has already asked all the good questions, are you going to insist on asking stupid questions all show? Want to buy a monocle?
Razoq Gallente Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:19:00 - [160] Edited by: Razoq on 02/07/2011 02:26:39 To the panel Was everything discussed with CSM at summit over the MT future of EVE. Does the CSM feel this is the beginning of more negotiations with CCP or has everything been fully addressed about MT, and no further discussion needed?
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:20:00 - [161] Ok this is crap. Why isn't this moved to my eve. Can every podcast and radio show advertise on eve general or just the pro ccp ones?
Yabba Addict	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:20:00 - [162] Question for Funky Bacon Are you planning another chat show after the statement/press release? Subscription 2.0 û the future is TODAY!
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:21:00 - [163] Edited by: AkJon Ferguson on 02/07/2011 02:21:43 Vanity items also affect development resources. And paint jobs could cause lag. Vanity-only was already a HUGE compromise by CCP's customers. Time to roll it back to PLEX only. Want to buy a monocle?
Draekas Darkwater	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:22:00 - [164] Will there be a fireside chat soon regarding the summit? Or some other medium (like this show) to give players a chance to ask questions live to the CSM regarding the statements to be released and the CSM's impressions at the meeting?
Cosmoes Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:23:00 - [165] Step 1: Paint scorpion gold Step 2: Fit scorp with crazy 8 slot tank Step 3: Fly in fleet Step 4: ????? Step 5: Profit ------------------- piccy
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:24:00 - [166] Funky you are a trip..I like your style.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:24:00 - [167] If removing CCP's head from CCP's ass requires a roleplayer, I am a roleplayer. Want to buy a monocle?
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:24:00 - [168] Edited by: Soden Rah on 02/07/2011 02:26:48 the isk cost is more than a frikkin faction battleship that is not immersion compatible yes but my char is not frikkin rich... how can you be a poor (relatively speaking) rper? /facepalm... ok can you stop telling people you rp how to rp when you don't do it. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Yabba Addict	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:25:00 - [169] +1 to Funky Subscription 2.0 û the future is TODAY!
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:26:00 - [170] sorry,, having a monocle does not say your rich,, it says your stupid and you will pay anything to look rich
Maplestone Myth and Peace Lords	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:27:00 - [171] Edited by: Maplestone on 02/07/2011 02:27:27 I don't see how any of the arguments about how RP players can make due spending ISK don't also equally play to gold ammo.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:27:00 - [172] Why would talking about a ship's DPS break immersion? That Irish guy needs to apply to CCP. I think he'd fit in there. Want to buy a monocle?
Rikki Retardo	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:27:00 - [173] "Not that i am defending CCP" seems like Bacon's theme phrase for the night lol
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:28:00 - [174] Originally by: Rikki ****o "Not that i am defending CCP" seems like Bacon's theme phrase for the night lol +1
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:29:00 - [175] Originally by: Rikki ****o "Not that i am defending CCP" seems like Bacon's theme phrase for the night lol All the cool kids are declining to take a side until this shakes out one way or the other so they can pretend they were on that side all along. Want to buy a monocle?
vasuul	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:30:00 - [176] heres a good vanity item I need stripper poles for my exotic dancers and a when are they coming out ??? I could also use a wet bar in my CQ
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:30:00 - [177] someone just said and I will agree and expand on... All the arguments you just made about RP immersion and AUR items apply to gold ammo as well -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Koba Kyogen The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:31:00 - [178] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Originally by: Rikki ****o "Not that i am defending CCP" seems like Bacon's theme phrase for the night lol All the cool kids are declining to take a side until this shakes out one way or the other so they can pretend they were on that side all along. ^this truth. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.[
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:34:00 - [179] Were any CSM insulted by CCP rolling out monocles at the summit and trying to joke about them? (Making fun of a legitimate point of conflict.) Want to buy a monocle?
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:34:00 - [180] the Volatility of the statement? You mean? Volatile statement coming? Huh? -I don't drink either
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:34:00 - [181] Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx on 02/07/2011 02:34:33 an irish man that doesn't drink,, it's not a bad thing,, but a strange thing,, lol come to dublin sometime,, have a beer with me and the lads
Rikanin Gallente The Azerick Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:35:00 - [182] Possibly too specific a question... but how would you all generally feel about ccp selling paintjobs from existing ship models? i.e. I want my navy issue scorp painted up like a widow -OR- I want my Mega painted like a Roden shipyards Mega? Seems like it could be an easy way for CcP to make a bit of extra money w/o having to create new ship paintjobs/skins
Nikita Alterana Clearly Compensating Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:35:00 - [183] it seems like a lot of CCP has lost touch with its consumer base, they sees eve players as a cash cow, instead of as investors and partners, which seemed to be the old attitude they had towards us. Can this change in direction be turned around and has this event maybe catalysed a return to the more open, communicative CCP of old? Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:36:00 - [184] how to trust CCP... do they do what they say they will... if yes then you can start to trust them, if not then you can't. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Emi Sertan	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:37:00 - [185] Id just like to say about the high ISK prices of the vanity items in relation to RP. Well as you know the current system you get a new one when you get podded while wearing it so it would seem you have a lifetime supply of the item.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:37:00 - [186] Originally by: jackaloped Ok this is crap. Why isn't this moved to my eve. Can every podcast and radio show advertise on eve general or just the pro ccp ones? If anyone knows the answer please let me know. Why is this in eve general? Are there other shows or podcasts whose advertisements stay on this forum?
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:39:00 - [187] oh good grief... There is a crew on the ship... You the pod pilot is basically just replacing the bridge crew... the question about CSM RP ing is that there are a number of RP players and it doesn't sound that CSM actually represents them. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:39:00 - [188] Bacon, sexual isn't dirty! Nothing dirty about sex
TalonClark	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:39:00 - [189] just tuned in, but: how will CCP deal with the pressure to spend more time adding new MT items (direct revenue) against longterm investment like space features?
Fastercart Gallente Ornery Cantankerous Curmudgeons	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:40:00 - [190] Question for CSM: Did CCP discuss plans to reduce heat related issues when running Captain Quarters?
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:41:00 - [191] Originally by: TalonClark just tuned in, but: how will CCP deal with the pressure to spend more time adding new MT items (direct revenue) against longterm investment like space features? that question was ignored by this crew. It wasn't a "good question."
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:42:00 - [192] Incidentally that is a really crappy song. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Maplestone Myth and Peace Lords	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:44:00 - [193] Originally by: Soden Rah the question about CSM RP ing is that there are a number of RP players and it doesn't sound that CSM actually represents them. CCP: we have data that shows people are going to buy vanity items CSM: we don't see any reason anyone would care about mere vanity items That disconnect in thinking is a flashing warning light to me.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:44:00 - [194] If you were the owner of that company, you would be dogmeat. Want to buy a monocle?
TalonClark	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:46:00 - [195] Originally by: jackaloped Originally by: TalonClark just tuned in, but: how will CCP deal with the pressure to spend more time adding new MT items (direct revenue) against longterm investment like space features? that question was ignored by this crew. It wasn't a "good question." lol wut? seriously? this is THE QUESTION regarding everything MT....oh well.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:47:00 - [196] Wrong, chief, this is NOT a miscommunication issue. Want to buy a monocle?
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:48:00 - [197] Let me try a question that they seem interested in: CCP which ball should I lick first, the left or the right?
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:50:00 - [198] So it's like US democracy now - pay for access to the Devs & get a hearing, special interest groups of the community go nuts.
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.07.02 02:52:00 - [199] Either only fanbois goto fan events, too few people with issues can/do go and/or speak up, OR ccp still doesn't care when players show up to their parties being debbie downers. I'm not about to make a special trip to talk to a dev in a sea of people trying to buy them a beer I'd rather shoot a statue and forum rage on my schedule thanks. Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
Victoria Wolfe Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 04:17:00 - [200] Another great show! A very interesting listen. ___ "Speak for yourself sir, I intend to live forever" - Commander William Riker
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.02 04:21:00 - [201] Well, that was a pleasant evening. My apologies to those of you whose questions we didn't get to, or did not ask. As I had mentioned on air, the original intent of tonight's show was to discuss the CCP/CSM statement that we were under the impression was to be released earlier in the day. When we got word that it was being delayed until tomorrow or sometime thereafter, our options were to cancel the show, or go on with what we had, which was a big fat NDA for our guests we had to gingerly dance around, because they're under an almost complete gag order until the official statement is released. By coming on air with us, Seleene and VileRat ran the chance of slipping up and disclosing something they should not, and risk heavy consequences as a result. It was our responsibility to not forcibly put them in a position where that might happen, and as a result, questions that looked to us like they would put the 2 CSMs (The ONLY 2 who would agree to come on air with us at such a sensitive time) into a compromising position with regards to the NDA were skipped over. Many of your questions (trolling aside) were very good, and deserving of answers. You have my assurance that both Brendan and I will do our best to get those that are not addressed satisfactorily through the statement in front of CCP Zulu at Tuesday's press conferences. ============ For myself, I have attempted to stay balanced and neutral during these discussions. If you want my personal opinions of what's going on, I have very grave concerns about the direction eve is taking right now. I am slightly less concerned today than I was a week ago, largely thanks to the overwhelming community response to CCP over the last 2 weeks, and I'm under the impression that CCP understands how grave the situation really is, and realizes this isn't a small vocal minority talking tough but doing little. You guys have made a big enough scene that all eyes of the online gaming world are focused intently on everything CCP is doing right now. Because of this, I also understand that CCP needs to tread VERY carefully in anything they say and do leading up to the joint statement we're all waiting for. Any leaks, or misguided interpretations released before the statement has potential to cause such an uproar that what is said afterwards is irrelevant. CCP has one last chance to fix this situation. Failure here in the eyes of the community could potentially be fatal, so care, understandably as far as I'm concerned, needs to be taken. Personally, I don't give half a poop about vanity items for MTs. I sincerely hope someone undocks near me in space with $100 gold paint on their ship, because I foresee Aurum tears being tastier than any I have thus far had the pleasure of sampling. (I just hope the fact that it's painted shows up on the kill mail.) I think I know this community well enough to know that the only safe place for such vanity is docked up. Items that would have an effect on gameplay is where I (again personally) draw the line. Eve, at it's core is a vast open market. That market is what enables every other aspect of the game to occur. Once you start circumventing it by conjuring ships, ammo, etc from thin air, you tear out Eve's heart. Unacceptable. I'm also quite against forcing content on anyone (ie CQ). No one is forced to do FW, or incursions, or wormholes, or sov in 0.0 or missions, or ANY other aspect of the game. There are advantages to doing any of those, but they are for the individual player to decide what those are, and if they're worth it. Eve is a sandbox, please keep her that way. No matter what is said tomorrow, the fanbois will probably still be behind CCP, and those who want to see eve burn will probably not change their views. It's those still waiting for all the facts that will have the most say in Eve's fate when it comes time to decide. I hope that clears up my positions somewhat, and I eagerly await what CCP has to say for itself over the coming days.
Edmar Ship Depot	Posted - 2011.07.02 05:26:00 - [202] I only listened to the last half of the show, so forgive me if it was discussed in the first half, but I find it odd that any kind of frank discussion can exist regarding the potential impact of the possibly upcoming pay-to-win changes without discussing the already existing (for years) PLEX pay-to-win system. It's alomost as if it's a taboo topic.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2011.07.02 05:27:00 - [203] Originally by: Edmar I only listened to the last half of the show, so forgive me if it was discussed in the first half, but I find it odd that any kind of frank discussion can exist regarding the potential impact of the possibly upcoming pay-to-win changes without discussing the already existing (for years) PLEX pay-to-win system. It's alomost as if it's a taboo topic. We discussed this heavily on last week's show when all this stuff kicked off. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Atreus Venom Gallente New Eden Hitmen	Posted - 2011.07.02 05:32:00 - [204] Anyone notice not a single person that posted in here had a monocle º--Atreus--º A New Hope -- like my layout? lol Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition http://www.perpetuum-online.com/[img]http://i.imgur.com/rQ0VI.jpg[/i
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.02 11:46:00 - [205] Edited by: DJ FunkyBacon on 02/07/2011 11:50:17 Updated the OP with a download link for the show. If you don't fell like going all the way back: http://www.eve-radio.com/podcast-download
loony thezoon	Posted - 2011.07.02 11:56:00 - [206] Funkybacon, if you revisit this thread, can you remind us of when the press conferences are?
Maplestone Myth and Peace Lords	Posted - 2011.07.02 12:36:00 - [207] Originally by: Edmar It's alomost as if it's a taboo topic. Almost everything was a taboo topic. It was an entertaining show, but when it was originally planned, it was thought that CSM/CCP statement would have already come out. Since the CSM guests were still under NDA and given that everyone knew that their words, even their mood or tone of voice, would be intensely analyzed for clues, there was very little that could actually be discussed. So it wasn't so much a dicussion as a tease for the discussion to come once the statement is released.
Ranita Drell	Posted - 2011.07.02 13:11:00 - [208] Somewhat off the topic of the srs bsns discussed on the last show, I'd like to comment on some of the role-play/immersion stuff that was talked about a bit. I find the LOLRPers tone of some EVE players amusing and somewhat strange given that many of the same qualities that make EVE a unique game are also what make it one of the best options for RP in the MMO space. These qualities include: the single server shard, sandbox play (and the lack of predefined, force-fed goals), the fact that there are non-combat gameplay options, and the fact that it is a contemporary/sci-fi universe. I think the primary benefit of some of these qualities is that they enhance immersion and enable role-playing. I mean, if you're a pirate and you like thinking of yourself as a pirate in game, that's role-playing. You may not have an elaborate backstory or be strict about separating the RL/EVE knowledge, but you're still basically indulging a form of escapism by playing a role in the game. It's not actually a huge leap to go from that point of view to that of someone that might readily self-identify as a role-player. There may be a little stigma to being a RPer, but come on, you're playing EVE -- you're already a nerdy weirdo. Also, on the show, there was an argument (paraphrased:) that it is impossible for a true RPer to let his immersion break because it's always possible for the role-player to reframe anything they see or hear in the universe as something which makes sense in the game world. While there is some merit to this argument, there comes a point where this becomes untenable. If several people are talking about things that are obviously meta-game (note: in a sci-fi universe, I don't think talk of DPS has to be a meta thing) or out-of-genre concepts, it's not really reasonable to dismiss it as all of those people suffering a collective delusion, although in some cases you could just try to attribute it to your character's own ignorance. However, there are problems even with this. What wasn't acknowledged on your show is that immersion, like any state of mind, is not completely voluntary. There are things you can do to strengthen your sense of immersion, but ultimately it's no more possible to "always remain immersed" than it is to "always be happy" or to "always stay focused." It's an inherently fragile mental/emotional state that can be broken by factors that may be outside your control. If you have to think about how you can reframe something in a way that makes sense in the game universe, your sense if immersion has already been broken. Also, yes, FunkyBacon may be pleased to learn that ships do have crews.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 17:08:00 - [209] Well ok I will take your word for it that you didn't ask this because of some possible nda stuff. But this question is not even addressed in the press release from csm or ccp so I would appreciate it if someone would ask it. The 18 months from csm 5 june summit runs in december. At that time they explained they would have only a few devs on in space eve. Here is the question: Originally by: jackaloped Edited by: jackaloped on 02/07/2011 00:36:57 Can CCP indicate when they may assign more devs to the actual gameplay of eve (in space eve)? If so, when and how many? Also it would be good to know how many devs they have assigned to other games such as WOD and Dust. Ask this last if you have the nerve. thanks
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:04:00 - [210] Originally by: DJ FunkyBacon ....My apologies to those of you whose questions we didn't get to, or did not ask. As I had mentioned on air, the original intent of tonight's show was to discuss the CCP/CSM statement that we were under the impression was to be released earlier in the day. ..... Many of your questions (trolling aside) were very good, and deserving of answers. You have my assurance that both Brendan and I will do our best to get those that are not addressed satisfactorily through the statement in front of CCP Zulu at Tuesday's press conference.... Originally by: jackaloped Ok I guess this couldn't be answered. Please ask this at the press conference. Originally by: jackaloped Edited by: jackaloped on 02/07/2011 00:36:57 Question for any csm who knows: Did CCP indicate when they may assign more devs to the actual gameplay of eve (in space eve)? If so, when and how many? thanks Did you ask this?
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:38:00 - [211] Yes jack, that topic was broached at the conference. In a nutshell the answer is that people have been hired and teams added to work on the new stuff and the number of people working on space stuff remains roughly what its been.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:37:00 - [212] Originally by: DJ FunkyBacon Yes jack, that topic was broached at the conference. In a nutshell the answer is that people have been hired and teams added to work on the new stuff and the number of people working on space stuff remains roughly what its been. My sincere thanks for making sure you got the answer to that question. It is what I figured when I unsubbed. Did they give any information when they might start devoting devs to the inspace part of eve?
Cpt Arareb Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.06 16:08:00 - [213] Mintchip?? BOTS ARE RUINING THIS GAME
Cpt Arareb Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.06 16:31:00 - [214] the donald duck was so awesome! BOTS ARE RUINING THIS GAME

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