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dicen3	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:24:00 - [1] Yes, I know it is $131.40/year if we pay 12 months in advance. But, we can no longer trust CCP. So we can't do that anymore. $179.40/year * 3 = $528.20 over 3 years. And CCP wants more of our money? What are they smoking in Iceland? I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for.
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:25:00 - [2] Originally by: dicen3 Yes, I know it is $131.40/year if we pay 12 months in advance. But, we can no longer trust CCP. So we can't do that anymore. $179.40/year * 3 = $528.20 over 3 years. And CCP wants more of our money? What are they smoking in Iceland? I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. jog on,,, we wouldn't be here if we didn't want to be
Tosser Galore	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:27:00 - [3] You pay for PREMIUM cutting edge content and (space barbie)
Harcosi	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:35:00 - [4] The only person that can answer that question is you.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:35:00 - [5] Originally by: dicen3 Yes, I know it is $131.40/year if we pay 12 months in advance. But, we can no longer trust CCP. So we can't do that anymore. $179.40/year * 3 = $528.20 over 3 years. And CCP wants more of our money? What are they smoking in Iceland? I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. When you say "we" I assume you mean "I". Not sure why you can't trust them anymore. All of their official statements have been consistent and honest. You do realise the Eve requires this thing called a "server", quite a big one in fact (or a lot of them, depending on how you visualise it). Servers are not free or cheap to run. In exchange for your $528.2 over three years, CCP maintained and allowed you access to their servers. It's a fair exchange, if at any point you don't feel your getting your moneys worth, stop paying.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:39:00 - [6] I'm paying $262.80 per year and, 6+ years in, still very much worth it. Better question is, if you don't think so, why the hell are you still paying to post about how it's not worth it?
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Khamelean Originally by: dicen3 Yes, I know it is $131.40/year if we pay 12 months in advance. But, we can no longer trust CCP. So we can't do that anymore. $179.40/year * 3 = $528.20 over 3 years. And CCP wants more of our money? What are they smoking in Iceland? I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. When you say "we" I assume you mean "I". Not sure why you can't trust them anymore. All of their official statements have been consistent and honest. You do realise the Eve requires this thing called a "server", quite a big one in fact (or a lot of them, depending on how you visualise it). Servers are not free or cheap to run. In exchange for your $528.2 over three years, CCP maintained and allowed you access to their servers. It's a fair exchange, if at any point you don't feel your getting your moneys worth, stop paying. lets add the fun had while you are in space with your buddies having lots of lolz every cent i've invested in eve was well worth it.
Nehmen Geld	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:44:00 - [8] Originally by: dicen3 $528.20 That's half a pair of decent jeans, so yes. :)
Enlai Huan Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:45:00 - [9] Can you find the same ammount of fun for cheaper? Chances are, you would spend that much in a month doing most any thing else.
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Harcosi The only person that can answer that question is you. ^This. If there is something cheaper and more rewarding than it might not be worth it to you. If this is cheaper and more rewarding to you than something else then it might be worth it. Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
Kalle Demos Amarr Helix Protocol	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:46:00 - [11] Last year I spent ú7829.42 alone on my cat and so far this year I have spent ú4122.91 on her, spending ú120 on a game will hardly make my accountant bleed Poor people are soo annoying . LETS POST ON CAOD GANG!
Hiroshi Nagasaki	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:48:00 - [12] Originally by: dicen3 What are they smoking in Iceland? Nothing... cuz u only pay $179,40/year ....
dicen3	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:49:00 - [13] Edited by: dicen3 on 03/07/2011 12:50:18 Originally by: Khamelean Originally by: dicen3 Yes, I know it is $131.40/year if we pay 12 months in advance. But, we can no longer trust CCP. So we can't do that anymore. $179.40/year * 3 = $528.20 over 3 years. And CCP wants more of our money? What are they smoking in Iceland? I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. When you say "we" I assume you mean "I". Not sure why you can't trust them anymore. All of their official statements have been consistent and honest. You do realise the Eve requires this thing called a "server", quite a big one in fact (or a lot of them, depending on how you visualise it). Servers are not free or cheap to run. In exchange for your $528.2 over three years, CCP maintained and allowed you access to their servers. It's a fair exchange, if at any point you don't feel your getting your moneys worth, stop paying. 1. "All of their official statements have been consistent and honest." I just don't believe for one minute that you are this stupid. I think you just copied the email text sent to you from the inept CCP marketing department. 2. Nice move. I didn't see this angle. The point is that we are paying you this money. But, the old server excuse. Let's answer that. a. Your infrastructure costs are not nearly $46,482,140 per year. b. You are not spending this revenue on EVE anyway. It is all going to Dust and WOD. In fact the majority of it is, as you are up to your eye balls in dept. thanks for playing
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:51:00 - [14] I have 8 accounts so you are paying peanuts in comparison; and yes, it's worth it. Signature locked for inappropriate language. Zymurgist
Weeble Tauri Caldari Battle Cattle	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:51:00 - [15] I used to play paintball once a weekend, and tournaments 3-4 times a summer. EVE looks like peanuts compared to that. I'm ok with the $179 a year.
Allant Doran Amarr Locus Industries	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:55:00 - [16] I'll keep this simple for argument's sake. I spend ú30 a month on EVE on my 2 accounts. Last month, I spent ú120 on 3 console games I really wanted. EVE is a TON of fun for it's price. Way, Way more value than a lot o other forms of entertainment.
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.07.03 12:55:00 - [17] Apparently it's totally worth it, in fact we're not paying them enough! That's why they made the $70 monacle.. to recoup some of the losses..
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Nehmen Geld Originally by: dicen3 $528.20 That's half a pair of decent jeans, so yes. :) rofl +1 OP, is Eve overpriced? Yes. All mmo's are really. But it's like saying Starbucks is overpriced. Sure, it is, but it's not a lot of money so people who like it buy it. If you don't think you are getting your money's worth, unsub. There are lots of other games out there. Some of them are a lot of fun.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:03:00 - [19] Compare it to what else you can get for those entertainment dollars today and doesn't look expensive at all. 1-2 pint(s) of Ale at a pub. 2 movie tickets per month. Etc. The twwo week emo-raging on the forums alone trumps just about all movies released this year in entertainment value PS: What's with the *3 by the way, you hate Eve/CCP so much that you have three accounts?
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:05:00 - [20] Originally by: dicen3 1. "All of their official statements have been consistent and honest." I just don't believe for one minute that you are this stupid. I think you just copied the email text sent to you from the inept CCP marketing department. 2. Nice move. I didn't see this angle. The point is that we are paying you this money. But, the old server excuse. Let's answer that. a. Your infrastructure costs are not nearly $46,482,140 per year. b. You are not spending this revenue on EVE anyway. It is all going to Dust and WOD. In fact the majority of it is, as you are up to your eye balls in debt. thanks for playing 1. FInd me a discrepancy and I'll gladly back down on that point. I have yet to see any. 2. They aren't allowed to make a little profit? The point is your paying for a subscription costs, which is intend to maintain a service. Anything CCP makes beyond the costs of doing business is their profit do to with as they please. If they wish to invest it back in to Eve (and they do) then even better, but we are in no way entitled to it.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:10:00 - [21] Quote: Is $179.40 per year really worth it? Absolutely yes
dicen3	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Compare it to what else you can get for those entertainment dollars today and doesn't look expensive at all. 1-2 pint(s) of Ale at a pub. 2 movie tickets per month. Etc. The twwo week emo-raging on the forums alone trumps just about all movies released this year in entertainment value PS: What's with the *3 by the way, you hate Eve/CCP so much that you have three accounts? The movie ticket comparison started being pushed by the video game industry years ago (to justify price increases). (You hear this in the press, morning talk shows, radio shows, all very transparent to the non sheep of the world.) You added beer. So I am left with wondering, are you an actual CCP customer? Because, why would one make such a post? You sound more like marketing. If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3. The surest way to get company marketing to start posting in threads is to put a "$" in the subject line. thanks for playing
pvt awesome	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:14:00 - [23] the value judgment over whether X-amount of money is worth Y is up to the individual. Obviously it largely depends on the individuals disposable income and their level of addiction.
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:15:00 - [24] that amount of dollar is not really much, one good party in restaurant and you have used more than that.
dicen3	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Khamelean Originally by: dicen3 1. "All of their official statements have been consistent and honest." I just don't believe for one minute that you are this stupid. I think you just copied the email text sent to you from the inept CCP marketing department. 2. Nice move. I didn't see this angle. The point is that we are paying you this money. But, the old server excuse. Let's answer that. a. Your infrastructure costs are not nearly $46,482,140 per year. b. You are not spending this revenue on EVE anyway. It is all going to Dust and WOD. In fact the majority of it is, as you are up to your eye balls in debt. thanks for playing 1. FInd me a discrepancy and I'll gladly back down on that point. I have yet to see any. 2. They aren't allowed to make a little profit? The point is your paying for a subscription costs, which is intend to maintain a service. Anything CCP makes beyond the costs of doing business is their profit do to with as they please. If they wish to invest it back in to Eve (and they do) then even better, but we are in no way entitled to it. No, we are not entitled to your (CCP) profit. But, we are entitled to the continued existence of Eve Online. Your profit was $5 million a year. Much more then that is being spent on Dust and WOD. So much in fact that once your $10m+ loan comes due in Oct., I don't think you will exist anymore (at least in your current form). Yes, your extremely bad business decisions have made the EVE populus very ****ed.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:20:00 - [26] Originally by: dicen3 If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3. Unlimited? What everlasting hardware are you playing this game on that never breaks down and never needs to be updated? Also, as you continue to play that game many years latter it will offer the exact same experience as the first time you played it. The experience of eve today is very different from when it was released. If the quantitative and qualitative differences are not up to your level of approval then that is your choice to make.
Sobach Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:23:00 - [27] Originally by: dicen3 But, we are entitled to the continued existence of Eve Online actually no, you're not. In any case, your original question is pointless. The subscription cost isn't worth it for you, nor anyone who's ever quit for that matter, but for those that are still subbed, then yes it's worth it for them, otherwise they would've unsubbed.
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Khamelean Originally by: dicen3 If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3. Unlimited? What everlasting hardware are you playing this game on that never breaks down and never needs to be updated? Also, as you continue to play that game many years latter it will offer the exact same experience as the first time you played it. The experience of eve today is very different from when it was released. If the quantitative and qualitative differences are not up to your level of approval then that is your choice to make. I think he meant singleplayer games or multiplayer games that don't require any intermediary to play online.
dicen3	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:37:00 - [29] Edited by: dicen3 on 03/07/2011 13:41:24 Originally by: Khamelean Originally by: dicen3 If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3. Unlimited? What everlasting hardware are you playing this game on that never breaks down and never needs to be updated? Also, as you continue to play that game many years latter it will offer the exact same experience as the first time you played it. The experience of eve today is very different from when it was released. If the quantitative and qualitative differences are not up to your level of approval then that is your choice to make. You have to work on Sunday? You just keep making marketing posts in all of the threads. It is very funny. We don't want marketing posts. What we want is the truth. But, I think you know that once we get the truth we are forever gone. You know when Coke screwed up the CEO went on national TV and apologized to the world. What we want is an apology and a truthful commitment not to convert EVE to MT play. Your customers don't want it and if you can't handle that then we will go somewhere else with our money.
Aldan Romar Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:37:00 - [30] For the Euro-zone it's 1.5 that much: Ç14,95*12 = Ç179,4 = $260.54 (Why does CCP think the Dollar is on par with the Euro?). Add to this an occasional PLEX for ISK, and in the future another for AURUM this quickly gets towards $400. Regardless I think it's a fair sum even though I don't play that much - I would gladly pay up to double that if this financed better hardware to reduce lag...
Sernum Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:39:00 - [31] People who don't play online games often ask me "omg how could you spend 15 dollars a month of a video game... i mean i spent 60 dollars on cal of duty and i can play it for the rest of my life" I then sigh and say "I'm willing to bet you spend over 100 a month on premium cable to watch a movie once or twice a week - that you prob spend another 5-10 bucks on" is 15 a month worth it for me - yes i get a lot of entertainment for my 15 bucks. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Saint
pvt awesome	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:42:00 - [32] Edited by: pvt awesome on 03/07/2011 13:42:40 Originally by: Sernum I then sigh and say "I'm willing to bet you spend over 100 a month on premium cable to watch a movie once or twice a week - that you prob spend another 5-10 bucks on" And then they say "But computer games are for nerds LOL"
Myfanwy Heimdal Caldari Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:43:00 - [33] Under ú200? That's less than a night out on the razz in Oslo. Depends on how you see things. Even though I no longer live in the Land of a Thousand Homes (Norway) I pay about ú15 a month for this game here in the UK. Now, I don't know about you but if I went out for a good evening drinking the local Welsh sheep dip I would pay a lot more than that. So, if playing Eve for just one night a month rather than going out is cheaper and one stays in to play Eve then, yes, it is value for money. Then again, perception of value is down to the individual as all my racing chums know.
Kurfin	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Enlai Huan Can you find the same ammount of fun for cheaper? Chances are, you would spend that much in a month doing most any thing else. This. Eve, and video gaming, in general is a cheap way of entertaining yourself. If you weren't playing eve, what would you be doing instead? And how much would that cost?
Medidranda Livoga	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:47:00 - [35] Entirely depends on what you enjoy. Stuff like watered beer and movie tickets are indeed way overpriced for their actualy content value. Good thing is that both of these can be had for cheaper price instead of going through "content provider" middlehand. But lets compare EVE to other games. For price of EVE you can for buy quite a few single/multiplayer games that don`t have recurring costs. For 131 euros you could pick up digital distribution games ranging anywhere from 50 euros for brand new ones to discounted games for 5. I`d say EVE can be better than buying 3 full priced games but is awful if buyer is smart and buys from sales. Good example is ongoing Steam sales. How about other hobbies? Hard to quantify as many of these have auxiliary benefits of making real-life contacts (most in EVE end up being virtual with few exceptions) and healthy outdoors/indoors physical workout. Personally I feel better about spending say 300 for my downhill skiing equipment and tickets than buying years worth of sub for EVE.
Fish Fingers	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:47:00 - [36] Nope. Not worth it. But if you play the game long enough, it should finance itself.
Jyngo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:48:00 - [37] Originally by: pvt awesome Edited by: pvt awesome on 03/07/2011 13:25:44 the value judgment over whether X-amount of money is worth Y is up to the individual. Obviously it largely depends on the individual's disposable income and their level of addiction.
Riedle Minmatar Paradox Collective	Posted - 2011.07.03 13:53:00 - [38] Originally by: dicen3 Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Compare it to what else you can get for those entertainment dollars today and doesn't look expensive at all. 1-2 pint(s) of Ale at a pub. 2 movie tickets per month. Etc. The twwo week emo-raging on the forums alone trumps just about all movies released this year in entertainment value PS: What's with the *3 by the way, you hate Eve/CCP so much that you have three accounts? The movie ticket comparison started being pushed by the video game industry years ago (to justify price increases). (You hear this in the press, morning talk shows, radio shows, all very transparent to the non sheep of the world.) You added beer. So I am left with wondering, are you an actual CCP customer? Because, why would one make such a post? You sound more like marketing. If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3. The surest way to get company marketing to start posting in threads is to put a "$" in the subject line. thanks for playing OMG you are an idiot. Please find it not worth it and cancel asap. Eve would be better for it.
Bob the'Cyno	Posted - 2011.07.03 14:00:00 - [39] Please be nice, folks, someone who has a character name of "dicen3" is probably still very young. We should support young players who join EvE and not make fun of them. I try to teach my kids the value of money. Not always easy but we have to start somewhere.
I Love Boobies Amarr All Hail Boobies	Posted - 2011.07.03 14:11:00 - [40] You could spend $179.40 on a prostitute, only get a few minutes of fun. Pay $179.40 on Eve, and you get a whole year worth of fun, or whatever, depending on your game play style. Personally, I think that's worth it.
Mr Duffo	Posted - 2011.07.03 14:14:00 - [41] What is the problem? I can earn that $179.40 in less than 3 days in my bad job so I gladly pay it.
Sernum Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.07.03 14:54:00 - [42] Originally by: pvt awesome Edited by: pvt awesome on 03/07/2011 13:42:40 Originally by: Sernum I then sigh and say "I'm willing to bet you spend over 100 a month on premium cable to watch a movie once or twice a week - that you prob spend another 5-10 bucks on" And then they say "But computer games are for nerds LOL" yes unfortunately. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Saint
Algathas Minmatar The Revenge of Auntie Freeze	Posted - 2011.07.03 14:59:00 - [43] Edited by: Algathas on 03/07/2011 14:59:55 Well, look at other forms of entertainment and how much they cost, then you will see that EVE isn't such a bad price after all. For example what does it cost to go to the movies these days? Then throw on top that 3D BS and then add some candy or popcorn. You already have a couple months of EVE right there before you even start paying for your date's movie lol. Hell, where I live you could go out and get a single drink at a restaurant that costs as much as a month of EVE and doesn't even get you buzzed. "[i]We have spais in their base. Our propaganda machine is much larger and stronger than theirs We have better organizational capabilities
Theocrates	Posted - 2011.07.03 15:08:00 - [44] Yet another Dicen3 waste thread. *By coffee alone I set my mind in motion, by the beans of Java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.*
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.07.03 15:24:00 - [45] Originally by: dicen3 The movie ticket comparison.. So because a lobby that stands to gain from an argument makes said argument, it is automatically void? I added beer because I consider myself an aficionado and have had beer on (and from) all continents. Originally by: dicen3 If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3. Good for you, personally playing Civ4 + Mods to this day and dig up old RPGs when the urge hits. But there are not enough games with the replay value to make that argumentation remotely true .. even the best RPGs become kind of 'meh' to me after 200hrs (Civ4 is probably close to 5k hrs though ) Originally by: dicen3 ..thanks for playing Huh? Surely if I am "marketing" that line should be mine! Bastard!
Markarian Aurelius Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:58:00 - [46] Originally by: dicen3 1. "All of their official statements have been consistent and honest." I just don't believe for one minute that you are this stupid. I think you just copied the email text sent to you from the inept CCP marketing department. 2. Nice move. I didn't see this angle. The point is that we are paying you this money. But, the old server excuse. Let's answer that. a. Your infrastructure costs are not nearly $46,482,140 per year. b. You are not spending this revenue on EVE anyway. It is all going to Dust and WOD. In fact the majority of it is, as you are up to your eye balls in debt. thanks for playing Wow, I wish I had all of the omnipotent internal knowledge of CCP's innerworkings and finances to be able to make statements like point 'a.' and 'b.' like you did right there. Teach me, oh great wise one, the ways of your learnings, for I lack the inside knowledge that you have! Seriously people, a good deal of this rage is based off of assumptions and conjecture, especially when it comes to what CCP does and does not do with it's money. Besides, if you don't like what CCP does with that cash, BIOMASS, UNSUB and LEAVE FFS! Nobody is forcing you to stay! If leaving is what would make you happy, then that's what I want. If staying makes you happy, then that's cool with me too. Besides, you wouldn't continue to eat at a restaurant if you felt their food was crappy, right? Why do the same with Eve if you really felt this way? It makes no God damned sense.
dicen3	Posted - 2011.07.03 17:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Markarian Aurelius Originally by: dicen3 1. "All of their official statements have been consistent and honest." I just don't believe for one minute that you are this stupid. I think you just copied the email text sent to you from the inept CCP marketing department. 2. Nice move. I didn't see this angle. The point is that we are paying you this money. But, the old server excuse. Let's answer that. a. Your infrastructure costs are not nearly $46,482,140 per year. b. You are not spending this revenue on EVE anyway. It is all going to Dust and WOD. In fact the majority of it is, as you are up to your eye balls in debt. thanks for playing Wow, I wish I had all of the omnipotent internal knowledge of CCP's innerworkings and finances to be able to make statements like point 'a.' and 'b.' like you did right there. Teach me, oh great wise one, the ways of your learnings, for I lack the inside knowledge that you have! Seriously people, a good deal of this rage is based off of assumptions and conjecture, especially when it comes to what CCP does and does not do with it's money. Besides, if you don't like what CCP does with that cash, BIOMASS, UNSUB and LEAVE FFS! Nobody is forcing you to stay! If leaving is what would make you happy, then that's what I want. If staying makes you happy, then that's cool with me too. Besides, you wouldn't continue to eat at a restaurant if you felt their food was crappy, right? Why do the same with Eve if you really felt this way? It makes no God damned sense. Actually it does if you paid a year in advance to get the max subscription discount.
Silk Vixen	Posted - 2011.07.03 19:06:00 - [48] Stop whining and quit.
Silk Vixen	Posted - 2011.07.03 19:08:00 - [49] Originally by: Bob the'Cyno We should support young players who join EvE and not make fun of them. Why? o.o
raker	Posted - 2011.07.03 19:12:00 - [50] Edited by: raker on 03/07/2011 19:13:13 I play this game because I enjoy being in my corp and talking to the guys on Ts Probably like most corps, we get drunk have some fun and take the **** out of eachother The sub for this game is well worth it and is cheap if I consider the enjoyment I get out of it
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.03 19:27:00 - [51] Totally worth it...I'd pay $30 a month for the joy I get out of Eve. ~Gnosis~
Synthi	Posted - 2011.07.03 20:01:00 - [52] Originally by: dicen3 I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3. And I still play Unreal Tournament, which I bought in the 90s, and can be had for under $10. So really, how can anyone be expected to pay more than $0.10 / month for EVE? That about right? But I'm more curious how CCP hid their fees from you. You subscribed without knowing the rates? You're unhappy with the value of the game compared to what it costs, but pay anyway? You're unhappy with the game, but can't leave it unless some strangers agree with you first? The game is clearly not worth it, but you feel a moral obligation to inform those too dim on how to value their own time and money what they should think about it? Since you're clearly not a forum troll, there's a reason for this time and emotional investment on your part that I'm just not comprehending.
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.07.03 20:20:00 - [53] I have spent 54$ in month on cigarettes before I dropped this ****. Where I live 1 pack of Marlboro cost like 1,8$, that is 54$ in month and 648$ in a year. Was it worth spent money and health? OP don't count the price of subscription-based MMO. If this too much for you - just leave to f2p game and spend even more money there.
Athena Tarsis Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.07.03 20:26:00 - [54] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida I consider myself an aficionado and have had beer on (and from) all continents. They make beer in Antarctica? --
Nak hak	Posted - 2011.07.03 20:26:00 - [55] "Is $179.40 per year really worth it?" No. You see you really need a dozen alt accounts, no 2 dozen alt accounts, to be a assome player in EVE Online. Game is just that awesome! Really if you only paying for one account you might as well quit it. You're just not cutting it. Best Regards. Nak hak, The Self-Righteous
Emiko Luan Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.03 20:27:00 - [56] why do whiners always say "we" when they mean "I" ? --- +Welcome to my world+
dicen3	Posted - 2011.07.03 20:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Synthi Originally by: dicen3 I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3. And I still play Unreal Tournament, which I bought in the 90s, and can be had for under $10. So really, how can anyone be expected to pay more than $0.10 / month for EVE? That about right? But I'm more curious how CCP hid their fees from you. You subscribed without knowing the rates? You're unhappy with the value of the game compared to what it costs, but pay anyway? You're unhappy with the game, but can't leave it unless some strangers agree with you first? The game is clearly not worth it, but you feel a moral obligation to inform those too dim on how to value their own time and money what they should think about it? Since you're clearly not a forum troll, there's a reason for this time and emotional investment on your part that I'm just not comprehending. Some people pay yearly in advance for the discount.
Athena Tarsis Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.07.03 20:33:00 - [58] This thread: dicen3: eve not worth it for me, therefore, not worth it for you. ccp are broke and jerks and I don't believe anything they say. You should feel the same. PlayerX: (rational points explaining why playerX finds value in eve) dicen3: you are a ccp employee. You are spouting marketing crap. PlayerY: (rational points explaining why playerY finds value in eve) dicen3: you are a ccp employee. You are spouting marketing crap. PlayerZ: (rational points explaining why playerZ finds value in eve) dicen3: you are a ccp employee. You are spouting marketing crap. Heh. --
Montevius Williams Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:18:00 - [59] Originally by: dicen3 Edited by: dicen3 on 03/07/2011 12:58:15 Edited by: dicen3 on 03/07/2011 12:50:18 Originally by: Khamelean Originally by: dicen3 Yes, I know it is $131.40/year if we pay 12 months in advance. But, we can no longer trust CCP. So we can't do that anymore. $179.40/year * 3 = $528.20 over 3 years. And CCP wants more of our money? What are they smoking in Iceland? I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. When you say "we" I assume you mean "I". Not sure why you can't trust them anymore. All of their official statements have been consistent and honest. You do realise the Eve requires this thing called a "server", quite a big one in fact (or a lot of them, depending on how you visualise it). Servers are not free or cheap to run. In exchange for your $528.2 over three years, CCP maintained and allowed you access to their servers. It's a fair exchange, if at any point you don't feel your getting your moneys worth, stop paying. 1. "All of their official statements have been consistent and honest." I just don't believe for one minute that you are this stupid. I think you just copied the email text sent to you from the inept CCP marketing department. 2. Nice move. I didn't see this angle. The point is that we are paying you this money. But, the old server excuse. Let's answer that. a. Your infrastructure costs are not nearly $46,482,140 per year. b. You are not spending this revenue on EVE anyway. It is all going to Dust and WOD. In fact the majority of it is, as you are up to your eye balls in debt. thanks for playing True, but he brings up a valid point. People tend to assume (or so it seems) that all sub cost go to the game (or games) and thats it. Here are some of the things CCP has to pay for: -Overhead cost: -Monthly Rent -Ulilities (A/C, Heat, Water etc.) -Building Insurance -Taxes -Employee Cost -Employee Salaries including any Overtime worked (at least in the US - dont know about Iceland) -Employee Insurance -Employee Benefits (Medical, Dental, Vision), Stock Options, raises etc -Employee Tax (EIN for the US office) -Vendor Costs -Equipment cost and maintenance (Printers, Fax Machines, etc) -Server Costs and maintenance (In any Internet based business, this will be a significant cost to business) -Administrative Cost -Legal Costs -Misc Costs (CSM Meetings, EVE Fanfest, Allaince Tournament etc) -Telecommunications costs Im sure there are more, but these are just some of the things that I can think of. Once these are paid, THEN and ONLY then can CCP pump money into their Internet Spaceship game or Vampire game. This is how it works in the real business world, or at least in the business world that I am apart of.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:23:00 - [60] Edited by: Akita T on 03/07/2011 21:24:08 I find 4-5 bil ISK/year to be far, far more "affordable"... P.S. I spend around the equivalent of 1500 USD a year on cigarettes. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:36:00 - [61] NO it's simple really, if you don't think it's worth it & you don't like the direction of the game, stop paying. Give it a rest & watch from the sidelines if you like. Ultimately it's your decision, if enough people vote with their feet though you can bet CCP will come down off their high horse.
Maduin Ardens Aurelius Federation Eternal Evocations	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:02:00 - [62] Originally by: dicen3 Yes, I know it is $131.40/year if we pay 12 months in advance. But, we can no longer trust CCP. So we can't do that anymore. $179.40/year * 3 = $528.20 over 3 years. And CCP wants more of our money? What are they smoking in Iceland? I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. Go away.
Metlec	Posted - 2011.07.03 23:09:00 - [63] Originally by: dicen3 Yes, I know it is $131.40/year if we pay 12 months in advance. But, we can no longer trust CCP. So we can't do that anymore. $179.40/year * 3 = $528.20 over 3 years. And CCP wants more of our money? What are they smoking in Iceland? I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. Say going to the movies is $10 a go and you go once a week. Thats $520 a year. The average film lasts around 2 hours where as you can play eve until your eyes bleed. Eve seems like good value to me...
gargars	Posted - 2011.07.03 23:27:00 - [64] Originally by: Nehmen Geld Originally by: dicen3 $528.20 That's half a pair of decent jeans, so yes. :) Made me laugh +1!
Kriptic Vancover	Posted - 2011.07.05 13:18:00 - [65] Thats chumps change get a real job and stop whining
Foramen Nigra	Posted - 2011.07.05 13:26:00 - [66] Edited by: Foramen Nigra on 05/07/2011 13:27:49 @OP estimating 60k paying users $31,692,000 over 3 years that is without AUR and PLEX for ISK purchases, i estimate that is now $47,538,000 USD over 3 years with them. I think that the CFO of CCP started to examine Blizzard's income and got a little jealous and is starting to do whatever it could to come within 5% of their income. Let's call it MMO psychosis.
AKX Kerst	Posted - 2011.07.05 13:28:00 - [67] I've spend 100 euro on a festival 2 days ago. 12 hours of live music booming through the speakers while drinking beer and enjoying life. 100 euro for 12 hours...was it worth it? hell yes. Eve online guarantees tons of hours of gameplay. And you don't have to pay a dime if you set aside 370m each month. In fact, my friends bought about 5 billion isk and invested it in phaser. Now they get 500m interest each week for the next 40 weeks ( i think it was ) Plenty of money to buy plex for 3 acounts and buy ships.
Foramen Nigra	Posted - 2011.07.05 13:29:00 - [68] Edited by: Foramen Nigra on 05/07/2011 13:30:01 Originally by: Metlec Originally by: dicen3 Yes, I know it is $131.40/year if we pay 12 months in advance. But, we can no longer trust CCP. So we can't do that anymore. $179.40/year * 3 = $528.20 over 3 years. And CCP wants more of our money? What are they smoking in Iceland? I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. Say going to the movies is $10 a go and you go once a week. Thats $520 a year. The average film lasts around 2 hours where as you can play eve until your eyes bleed. Eve seems like good value to me... who the hell spends $10 a week to go to the movies, what are you either rich or a complete dumbass with finances - you have no idea how expensive that really is do you kid, i download my films i'm not a chump.
Erik CoolBreeze Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.05 13:31:00 - [69] Originally by: dicen3 I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for. I suggest you go play them, no really, right now, GTFO.
Foramen Nigra	Posted - 2011.07.05 13:32:00 - [70] Server is still down
Maddi5on	Posted - 2011.07.05 13:39:00 - [71] Is $179.40 per year really worth it? yes Incarna: how to obtain your free mono...
Ammzi	Posted - 2011.07.05 13:41:00 - [72] Originally by: dicen3 Moaning and whining OP, the door is there ----> Now, GTFO!

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