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The Blind One
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson As a courtesy to Kris, who expressed a great deal of confusion in his diatribe in Fearless, I will help clear some of that up for him.
"I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, I'd like to sell a lot more than vanity items. Does this mean I'm an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a secret team of Navy SEALs?"
Thank-you for expressing your own opinion in such unambiguous terms. No, it doesn't mean that you're an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a team of Navy SEALs, but thank-you for providing such a wonderful example of your annoying sense of 'humor' that many of us find so grating.
What it DOES mean, however, is that you are either completely ignorant or a liar. If you don't know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only, you are completely ignorant. If you do know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only but you plan to ignore that promise, you are a liar. I leave it to your discretion if you'd care to clarify which you are.
I think you're painting an extremely black and white picture based on an opinion piece. I haven't written a single design that includes MT in my life, and when the day comes that I do, it will be within the bounds of my previous post. That's it really.
Should we treat ALL communications from you with the same grain of salt? If we like what you are saying, then its coming from you. But if we don't like it, or disagree, or we feel insulted by it, then its just silly talk and should be disregarded?
Look, I didn't start this thread in order to provide another venue for your RABBLE RABBLE bull****. Soundwave has been kind enough to take time ON HIS DAY OFF to answer some questions here and you're acting like goddamn children.
That article wasn't a devblog. It was an internal newsletter containing opinion pieces that were speifically requested by the people in charge.
Direct your butthurt nerdrage toward Hillmar if you need a villain.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:42:00 -
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While its nice to see you around Soundwave and I do appreciate you and your team's work as the only ones left actually making EVE gameplay....
The :metrics: will overrule what the forum whine index has told you, and you'll go barreling back down the non-vanity MT path.
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:42:00 -
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"Does that mean that they're universally good, and we should slap a price-tag on everything? Probably not, and like any other change we make to our game, they need to be well thought out and well executed. But most important of all, they need to provide value to our customer."
Probably not?
"... and like any other change we make to our game, they need to be well thought out and well executed."
Okay, I take back what I said earlier about your sense of humor. That bit actually did make me laugh.
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:45:00 -
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Soundwave thanks for the replies. Good to see you posting
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:45:00 -
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Eve is dead.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:47:00 -
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Yeah Soundwave but the most important question we all need answering is:
Who would win in a fight - You or John Turbefield?
Careful now; your response to this question could start a new threadnaught.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: The Blind One I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the playerbase. You have consistently been one of the people at CCP who demonstrates a real and tangible passion for Eve Online. You put a lot of hard work into making this game as good as it can be for this group of socially-backward, aspie ******s.
Please do not claim to speak for the majority of the playerbase, especially when you in the same breath call us "socially-backwards aspie ******s".
Also, on an unrelated note, CCP Soundwave, I don't think you should be fired. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Chris Fierce
Caldari NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:49:00 -
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Personally, i don't give a rats anus on how people want to dress their dolly. What i want to know is when are CCP going to fix all the 'Broken' game mechanics and when someone will ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OR HERE !!! ---------------------------
I gashmoygadied her gaflavity with my googus. |

xxxTRUSTxxx
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx on 03/07/2011 19:52:22 Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx on 03/07/2011 19:50:42 look,, you just can't please all the people all the time, so i accept the troll to interested person ratio in this thread.
me personaly i think it's good to see a response from the man himself, it's also good to get a 100% set in stone VANITY ONLY statement yet again.
But OP i don't see why you felt you had to (on our behalf) apologise.
we the community of eve have a right to vioce how we felt about the leaked documents.
we where right to be up in arms, and IF in the future something like this happens again.
we will have the right to make it clearly known to the company that we are not happy campers.
as i sure soundwave would agree,, any other way and it just wouldn't be EVE.
edit to fix typos
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:53:00 -
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"I'll give you an example of something I think provides value to our customer, which I'd like to sell. Right now, you can store 50 personal fittings on our servers. That's more than enough for the average EVE player, but for a subset of our users, it's too small a number. Why not be able to add more storage space for a small amount of money? You'd even be able to upgrade it multiple times if you needed and permanently add this benefit to your character, making it even more valuable. And you know what? If you don't like paying for this, you can always buy a PLEX off the market, and never have to get your credit card out. I think that's pretty goddamn cool, and I'm not entirely sure why that makes me ****** to some EVE players."
Let me explain why your example makes you ****** to some EVE players. You are spending your time and resources deliberately breaking in-game functionality and then planning to sell that in-game functionality back to the players of a subscription based game who already pay you more per average player than any other such game on the market.
You have neglected Internet Spaceships for so long that the bugs have bugs.
And no, it's not cool that you are creating a new currency in a game with a player-driven economy. Aurum is crap. PLEX should buy time and only time. You have a problem, lack of sufficient ISK sinks. You have a tailor-made solution, sell vanity items for ISK. This is a complex issue, and beyond the scope of this discussion (which I'm trying to keep relatively simple, so that your fanbois can understand it) but if you have an opinion on what advantages you think Aurum provides FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS I'd love to hear it.
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Spurty
Caldari V0LTA VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:55:00 -
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poasting in an 'awkward' man-hug sort of thread.
+1 to OP's sentiment. -1 to embarrassing cousin type peers that emo at the drop of a hat.
More goodies please, ships and modules that is.
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MT? Character Bazaar right?
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Serious Spaceship Girl
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:01:00 -
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I know! Damn CCP. If they don't come out and say no to pay to win, we should...
What's that?
No way!!!
CCP has declared Eve will be pay 2 win free? (As much as the legal dept. let them anyway)
Damnit, I just wanted to fight someone on the internet.

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xxxTRUSTxxx
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Eve is dead.
shut up troll,, seriously,,, you talk more ****e than the average toilet can take.
EVE is alive,,, why ?
because i'm logged in seeing 47.729 people in game.
you are not online.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:02:00 -
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"Now this shouldn't be a one way street; I think we should be giving money away too. Giving people small amounts of micro-currency for being loyal subscribers, or even as a reward for high level gameplay like taking sovereignty should be just as legitimate a part of the business model as charging players."
I don't want your charity or your handouts.
I want ISK to be New Eden's currency. I want New Eden's economy to be run by the players. I want Pilot's License Extensions to extend pilots licenses. I want the lead game developer of Internet Spaceships to have the stones to oppose his bosses when they ask him to implement game-breaking changes that run counter to everything that EVE has stood for for 8 years.
I don't want your giveaways, your live events, your lies or your golden goose. I want to be immersed in a harsh, but fair, sandbox MMO where the developers believe that making the game great comes first and is the true source of sustainable long-term profitability. I want EVE to be EVE again.
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Komen
Gallente The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:05:00 -
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To the OP: You don't speak for me, and on a simple vocal opinion poll of my corp, many of whom don't bother to really hit the forums much, you don't speak for the majority of them, either. The rest of Eve I cannot speak for.
Those who called for Soundwave's head, metaphorically or otherwise, were focusing on him because he wrote the opinion piece. Some are mad about the tone of the piece. Me, I was/am mad because we were promised no P2W, and yet here is a CCPer apparently arguing the case for it, AFTER the promise was made. It creates the appearance of CCP thinking about whether to go back on their word.
That CCP still does not seem to get why this is so upsetting, is in itself upsetting.
In short: That piece should never have been written. It should instead have been an article about a firm belief on Soundwave's part, as stated in this thread, that P2W is boring and mis-placed in a game about persistance and consequences.
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CCP Soundwave
C C P Alliance

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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: xxxTRUSTxxx Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx on 03/07/2011 19:52:22
we the community of eve have a right to vioce how we felt about the leaked documents.
we where right to be up in arms, and IF in the future something like this happens again.
we will have the right to make it clearly known to the company that we are not happy campers.
as i sure soundwave would agree,, any other way and it just wouldn't be EVE.
Soundwave agrees.
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The Blind One
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:12:00 -
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I, personally, hate micro-transactions. All micro-transaction, including vanity items.
They're double-dipping in an obvious money-grab.
So congratulations on discerning the blindingly obvious facts of the situation.
But that's irrelevant to this thread.
This about the Photoshopped pictures of Soundwave burning at the stake. People said some seriously ****ed up ****. There's no excuse for that. Even the more restrained hate-posting is simply undeserved.
Your personal opinion on microtransactions doesn't matter. That's not what this is about.
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CCP Soundwave
C C P Alliance

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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:12:00 -
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Alright, I'm going back to playing EVE. Have a good Sunday 
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Steph Wing
Gallente Transfixion Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:14:00 -
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Thanks for your time, Soundwave. <3
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Serious Spaceship Girl
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Komen To the OP: You don't speak for me, and on a simple vocal opinion poll of my corp, many of whom don't bother to really hit the forums much, you don't speak for the majority of them, either. The rest of Eve I cannot speak for.
Those who called for Soundwave's head, metaphorically or otherwise, were focusing on him because he wrote the opinion piece. Some are mad about the tone of the piece. Me, I was/am mad because we were promised no P2W, and yet here is a CCPer apparently arguing the case for it, AFTER the promise was made. It creates the appearance of CCP thinking about whether to go back on their word.
That CCP still does not seem to get why this is so upsetting, is in itself upsetting.
In short: That piece should never have been written. It should instead have been an article about a firm belief on Soundwave's part, as stated in this thread, that P2W is boring and mis-placed in a game about persistance and consequences.
What more can they do? There are no plans at this time.
It's got as much substance as the newsletter at this point; both are words that haven't been proven yet.
A lot of us said if they agreed no pay 2 win, we're golden.
They did that, as much as they can and still be able to respond to market changes.
3 or 4 years from now, pay2win may be necessary to keep eve alive.
I don't feel there is any justification for it at the moment, but the future is not set in stone.
They've done more to listen to their players than Blizzard ever has.
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Anna Grahm
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.
I will pay US$100 to have all of my kestrel model ships have the hello kitty kestrel skin. C'mon! Make it happen!
Also, Rainbow Dash for the Condor model.
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Cancel Align NOW
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:16:00 -
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dear oh dear
Originally by: CCP Shadow Just for clarification, the skillpoints CCP will be giving pilots to make up for the extended downtime in this case is not tied to microtransactions. Editing to add this: We do not
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xxxTRUSTxxx
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx on 03/07/2011 20:17:21 thanks for the interest and time soundwave,, more of this is needed,, reminded me of how things used to be.
have a good sunday.
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Hermy Nator
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:24:00 -
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HIS NAME WAS JOhN TURBEFIELD
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson As a courtesy to Kris, who expressed a great deal of confusion in his diatribe in Fearless, I will help clear some of that up for him.
"I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, I'd like to sell a lot more than vanity items. Does this mean I'm an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a secret team of Navy SEALs?"
Thank-you for expressing your own opinion in such unambiguous terms. No, it doesn't mean that you're an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a team of Navy SEALs, but thank-you for providing such a wonderful example of your annoying sense of 'humor' that many of us find so grating.
What it DOES mean, however, is that you are either completely ignorant or a liar. If you don't know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only, you are completely ignorant. If you do know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only but you plan to ignore that promise, you are a liar. I leave it to your discretion if you'd care to clarify which you are.
AkJon, it seems pretty clear after even a relatively casual reading of the full Fearless (not the originally posted document, which now looks like it was cut down to make things look worse than they really were) that Kris was asked to write a position piece, one which he might not personally agree with. This is commonly known as "playing the Devil's Advocate". I don't think we can necessarily conclude that Kris was personally in favor of MT for game advantage, so don't be a d*ck just because Kris took the position he did.
What that issue of Fearless also makes clear (to me, anyway) is that there's an element inside CCP that is in favor of that level of MT. That element inside CCP concerns me way more. And Hilmar's email was completely unacceptable to me; it's obvious he's gotten completely out of touch with the player base.
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:31:00 -
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Thanks for fooling the masses Soundwave, it has been a collaboration of genius. I wish I could fool this many people so easily.
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gaeid Modiso
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.
If you sell hair pieces, you also need to sell a point and laugh emote for use in the station. Can we get a Donald Trump hair piece?
I would potentially put a "bad Shatner rug" hairpiece on my main, just for the lols. If it was really cheap, of course.
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Serious Spaceship Girl
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose Thanks for fooling the masses Soundwave, it has been a collaboration of genius. I wish I could fool this many people so easily.
What would you do?
Fool us into getting mohawks?

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Vera Maricadie
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Vera Maricadie on 03/07/2011 20:39:18 While I didn't agree with the position espoused in the article written by CCP Soundwave in Fearless, I do accept that it was an opinion piece meant to counter the anti-MT position, and thus was not a future policy statement.
From what I read in that article, and from what I've read from him on these forums, I think he has a firm grasp of how the player base feels about non-vanity MT, and just as importantly, *why* they feel that way. That's key for me.
The fact that he's responded in this this thread in the manner that he has, makes me that much more positive about EVE's future in the wake of the disaster of the last 1.5 weeks.
Thanks for posting here and sharing your thoughts here Soundwave, you've made me a happy, paying customer.
- Red Maiden
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Red Maiden
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vera Maricadie Edited by: Vera Maricadie on 03/07/2011 20:39:18 While I didn't agree with the position espoused in the article written by CCP Soundwave in Fearless, I do accept that it was an opinion piece meant to counter the anti-MT position, and thus was not a future policy statement.
From what I read in that article, and from what I've read from him on these forums, I think he has a firm grasp of how the player base feels about non-vanity MT, and just as importantly, *why* they feel that way. That's key for me.
The fact that he's responded in this this thread in the manner that he has, makes me that much more positive about EVE's future in the wake of the disaster of the last 1.5 weeks.
Thanks for posting here and sharing your thoughts here Soundwave, you've made me a happy, paying customer.
Meant to post the above under my main. 
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