Originally by: The Illusive Man

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Your character name seems to apply.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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I'm sorry too, soundwave. I'm sorry you lied to us. I'm sorry you still have a job. I'm sorry you haven't apologized to your customers. I'm sorry you have stood by silently while your fellow employees have publicly and anonymously lied about the nature of the newsletter Fearless to cover your ass. I'm sorry that the only lesson you'll likely draw from this is that you can screw your customers over, lie to them to their face with the evidence right there in black and white, and they'll still stick around, even kiss your ass in most cases. I'm so sorry.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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I'm sorry too, soundwave. I'm sorry you lied to us. I'm sorry you still have a job. I'm sorry you haven't apologized to your customers. I'm sorry you have stood by silently while your fellow employees have publicly and anonymously lied about the nature of the newsletter Fearless to cover your ass. I'm sorry that the only lesson you'll likely draw from this is that you can screw your customers over, lie to them to their face with the evidence right there in black and white, and they'll still stick around, even kiss your ass in most cases. I'm so sorry.

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Originally by: The Blind One

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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I'm sorry too, soundwave. I'm sorry you lied to us. I'm sorry you still have a job. I'm sorry you haven't apologized to your customers. I'm sorry you have stood by silently while your fellow employees have publicly and anonymously lied about the nature of the newsletter Fearless to cover your ass. I'm sorry that the only lesson you'll likely draw from this is that you can screw your customers over, lie to them to their face with the evidence right there in black and white, and they'll still stick around, even kiss your ass in most cases. I'm so sorry.

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Blind rage is blind. Ironic that I have to point that out.

The trick is to understand the situation before you post.

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Originally by: The Blind One

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Edited by: The Blind One on 03/07/2011 17:23:11
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the playerbase. You have consistently been one of the people at CCP who demonstrates a real and tangible passion for Eve Online. You put a lot of hard work into making this game as good as it can be for this group of socially-backward, aspie ******s.

You do not deserve the malice and vitriol that you received from us due to the Fearless newsletter.

Anyone who has worked for a large company will recognize that newsletters like that are internal indoctrination tools. They are produced in order to disseminate messages from upper-management to the rest of the company. The claim that it is merely a forum for discussion is simply not true.

But I have absolutely no doubt that you wrote that opinion piece because you were told to do so. You drew the short straw on that one and have been demonized for just doing your job. I apologize for that on behalf of the player-base.

We love you, and we love what you do for the game.

(Edit: On second thought, I'd like to extend this to the entire community team. You guys have a tough job and we appreciate what you do)

To the Community Team,

It being a Sunday, I doubt Soundwave is in the office today. If you would be so kind as to e-mail him a link to this post, I would appreciate it. This has been enormously unfair to him and I feel like he should understand that the vast majority of us recognize that.

Also, thanks to you for doing your job. I can't imagine being occupationally obligated to read through these terrible posts.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Just to let you know, even though this thread is going to end up only as troll bait, the majority of the EVE community has no issue with you Soundwave... as much as the people struggling to troll you in this thread would like people to believe otherwise.

Most of us recognize everything you have done for EVE and the community in the past. Not everyone has difficulty looking past their forum epeen.

I personally don't know if the opinions you expressed were accurate or exaggerated for the newsletter. Frankly, while I personally tend to believe the latter, I could really care less at this point.

You are certainly entitled to your personal opinion about the numerous ways that MT could have been added to EVE, just as these folks are entitled to theirs. Both groups now know what the company stance is in that regarding MT now, and that is all that really matters. Everything else is pointless, not to mention annoying.

This too shall pass.

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Just to let you know, even though this thread is going to end up only as troll bait, the majority of the EVE community has no issue with you Soundwave... as much as the people struggling to troll you in this thread would like people to believe otherwise.

Most of us recognize everything you have done for EVE and the community in the past. Not everyone has difficulty looking past their forum epeen.

I personally don't know if the opinions you expressed were accurate or exaggerated for the newsletter. Frankly, while I personally tend to believe the latter, I could really care less at this point.

You are certainly entitled to your personal opinion about the numerous ways that MT could have been added to EVE, just as these folks are entitled to theirs. Both groups now know what the company stance is in that regarding MT now, and that is all that really matters. Everything else is pointless, not to mention annoying.

This too shall pass.

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I was not aware you spoke for the majority of the eve community.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Just to let you know, even though this thread is going to end up only as troll bait, the majority of the EVE community has no issue with you Soundwave... as much as the people struggling to troll you in this thread would like people to believe otherwise.

Most of us recognize everything you have done for EVE and the community in the past. Not everyone has difficulty looking past their forum epeen.

I personally don't know if the opinions you expressed were accurate or exaggerated for the newsletter. Frankly, while I personally tend to believe the latter, I could really care less at this point.

You are certainly entitled to your personal opinion about the numerous ways that MT could have been added to EVE, just as these folks are entitled to theirs. Both groups now know what the company stance is in that regarding MT now, and that is all that really matters. Everything else is pointless, not to mention annoying.

This too shall pass.

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I was not aware you spoke for the majority of the eve community.

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Then educate yourself.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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... next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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... next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

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Let's hope we have reason for that soon and often.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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No reason to be sorry!

EVE has one of the most passionate communities, which becomes very visible both when we do good things, but certainly also when we screw up. This time we screwed up, so let's hope next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

Anyway, have a nice Sunday everyone.

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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I was not aware you spoke for the majority of the eve community.

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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I would like to hear why you believe your information is anymore valid and true then his.

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Originally by: two step

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The Soundwave vs. Turbo thing is being blown *way* out of proportion, and demonizing Soundwave is a terrible, terrible thing. You guys are demonizing the guy that is working the hardest for you, who plays EVE a lot, who has some *fantastic* ideas for where the game could be going. TBH, the whole ****ing community owes him a big apology, he was asked to write the side he wrote, and was just doing his ****ing job.

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Original post here.

Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: The Blind One

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Edited by: The Blind One on 03/07/2011 17:23:11
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the playerbase. You have consistently been one of the people at CCP who demonstrates a real and tangible passion for Eve Online. You put a lot of hard work into making this game as good as it can be for this group of socially-backward, aspie ******s.

You do not deserve the malice and vitriol that you received from us due to the Fearless newsletter.

Anyone who has worked for a large company will recognize that newsletters like that are internal indoctrination tools. They are produced in order to disseminate messages from upper-management to the rest of the company. The claim that it is merely a forum for discussion is simply not true.

But I have absolutely no doubt that you wrote that opinion piece because you were told to do so. You drew the short straw on that one and have been demonized for just doing your job. I apologize for that on behalf of the player-base.

We love you, and we love what you do for the game.

(Edit: On second thought, I'd like to extend this to the entire community team. You guys have a tough job and we appreciate what you do)

To the Community Team,

It being a Sunday, I doubt Soundwave is in the office today. If you would be so kind as to e-mail him a link to this post, I would appreciate it. This has been enormously unfair to him and I feel like he should understand that the vast majority of us recognize that.

Also, thanks to you for doing your job. I can't imagine being occupationally obligated to read through these terrible posts.

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No reason to be sorry!

EVE has one of the most passionate communities, which becomes very visible both when we do good things, but certainly also when we screw up. This time we screwed up, so let's hope next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

Anyway, have a nice Sunday everyone.

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Just to let you know, even though this thread is going to end up only as troll bait, the majority of the EVE community has no issue with you Soundwave... as much as the people struggling to troll you in this thread would like people to believe otherwise.

Most of us recognize everything you have done for EVE and the community in the past. Not everyone has difficulty looking past their forum epeen.

I personally don't know if the opinions you expressed were accurate or exaggerated for the newsletter. Frankly, while I personally tend to believe the latter, I could really care less at this point.

You are certainly entitled to your personal opinion about the numerous ways that MT could have been added to EVE, just as these folks are entitled to theirs. Both groups now know what the company stance is in that regarding MT now, and that is all that really matters. Everything else is pointless, not to mention annoying.

This too shall pass.

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I was not aware you spoke for the majority of the eve community.

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Then educate yourself.

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If I was any smarter they would have to pay me to visit these forums.

As it is, I'm quite content to take a government tax break for the charitable donation of my time and presence.

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Originally by: The Blind One

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I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the playerbase.

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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I dont make a single apology for any of the actions this commuity took against him or CCP however. There is far more evidence to suggest wrongdoing then right.

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Originally by: Michelear

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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I dont make a single apology for any of the actions this commuity took against him or CCP however. There is far more evidence to suggest wrongdoing then right.

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Nearly all of your "evidence" for wrongdoing was proved down at the CSM meeting in Reykjavik. Maybe you should get YOUR facts straight.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: The Blind One

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Edited by: The Blind One on 03/07/2011 17:23:11
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the playerbase. You have consistently been one of the people at CCP who demonstrates a real and tangible passion for Eve Online. You put a lot of hard work into making this game as good as it can be for this group of socially-backward, aspie ******s.

You do not deserve the malice and vitriol that you received from us due to the Fearless newsletter.

Anyone who has worked for a large company will recognize that newsletters like that are internal indoctrination tools. They are produced in order to disseminate messages from upper-management to the rest of the company. The claim that it is merely a forum for discussion is simply not true.

But I have absolutely no doubt that you wrote that opinion piece because you were told to do so. You drew the short straw on that one and have been demonized for just doing your job. I apologize for that on behalf of the player-base.

We love you, and we love what you do for the game.

(Edit: On second thought, I'd like to extend this to the entire community team. You guys have a tough job and we appreciate what you do)

To the Community Team,

It being a Sunday, I doubt Soundwave is in the office today. If you would be so kind as to e-mail him a link to this post, I would appreciate it. This has been enormously unfair to him and I feel like he should understand that the vast majority of us recognize that.

Also, thanks to you for doing your job. I can't imagine being occupationally obligated to read through these terrible posts.

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No reason to be sorry!

EVE has one of the most passionate communities, which becomes very visible both when we do good things, but certainly also when we screw up. This time we screwed up, so let's hope next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

Anyway, have a nice Sunday everyone.

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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Edited by: Kuronaga on 03/07/2011 18:12:31
@blindone

Word versus word is irrelevant and contains no proof, however it does illuminate that your personal beliefs are based off entirely off of heresay.

At least when Fearless was published it had to at least pass a certain amount of censor. I don't know or care if soundwave was really to blame at this point, for all I know he was asked to write up an article that was not even his own opinion.

I dont make a single apology for any of the actions this commuity took against him or CCP however. There is far more evidence to suggest wrongdoing then right.

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Originally by: Micrurus Decoratus

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: The Blind One

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Edited by: The Blind One on 03/07/2011 17:23:11
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the playerbase. You have consistently been one of the people at CCP who demonstrates a real and tangible passion for Eve Online. You put a lot of hard work into making this game as good as it can be for this group of socially-backward, aspie ******s.

You do not deserve the malice and vitriol that you received from us due to the Fearless newsletter.

Anyone who has worked for a large company will recognize that newsletters like that are internal indoctrination tools. They are produced in order to disseminate messages from upper-management to the rest of the company. The claim that it is merely a forum for discussion is simply not true.

But I have absolutely no doubt that you wrote that opinion piece because you were told to do so. You drew the short straw on that one and have been demonized for just doing your job. I apologize for that on behalf of the player-base.

We love you, and we love what you do for the game.

(Edit: On second thought, I'd like to extend this to the entire community team. You guys have a tough job and we appreciate what you do)

To the Community Team,

It being a Sunday, I doubt Soundwave is in the office today. If you would be so kind as to e-mail him a link to this post, I would appreciate it. This has been enormously unfair to him and I feel like he should understand that the vast majority of us recognize that.

Also, thanks to you for doing your job. I can't imagine being occupationally obligated to read through these terrible posts.

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No reason to be sorry!

EVE has one of the most passionate communities, which becomes very visible both when we do good things, but certainly also when we screw up. This time we screwed up, so let's hope next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

Anyway, have a nice Sunday everyone.

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I know a lot of us, including myself, expressed extreme anger toward the Fearless article, and whether or not you were playing Devil's Advocate, I cannot ignore the fact that you are part of a team that has been bringing us cool stuff to improve our Flying in Space experience and I hope your commitment to that end is unwavering.

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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Nothing was proven down at the CSM meeting. All that was said is that fearless was considered to be toilet reading.

Furthermore, the CSM are not infallible. Mittani said he believed that he won the war overall, but I highly doubt he went that and flatout argued with them for the entire trip over nothing. There was obviously heavy resistance from CCP.

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CSM: We are convinced that CCP has no plans to introduce any game-affecting virtual goods, only pure vanity items such as clothing and ship skins.

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CCP: the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.

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Originally by: Chris Fierce

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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:37:00 - CCP Manifest [35]
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FACTIONAL WARFARE STUFF

There were many questions. Many. I will be working with Soundwave to get answers for you (not a new effort), yet there will be a slight delay though as right now he's headed to a player meetup in Moscow with CCP Daishi, Molock and Spitfire.
Please bear with us.
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ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!!

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I gashmoygadied her gaflavity with my googus.

Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: The Blind One

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Edited by: The Blind One on 03/07/2011 17:23:11
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the playerbase. You have consistently been one of the people at CCP who demonstrates a real and tangible passion for Eve Online. You put a lot of hard work into making this game as good as it can be for this group of socially-backward, aspie ******s.

You do not deserve the malice and vitriol that you received from us due to the Fearless newsletter.

Anyone who has worked for a large company will recognize that newsletters like that are internal indoctrination tools. They are produced in order to disseminate messages from upper-management to the rest of the company. The claim that it is merely a forum for discussion is simply not true.

But I have absolutely no doubt that you wrote that opinion piece because you were told to do so. You drew the short straw on that one and have been demonized for just doing your job. I apologize for that on behalf of the player-base.

We love you, and we love what you do for the game.

(Edit: On second thought, I'd like to extend this to the entire community team. You guys have a tough job and we appreciate what you do)

To the Community Team,

It being a Sunday, I doubt Soundwave is in the office today. If you would be so kind as to e-mail him a link to this post, I would appreciate it. This has been enormously unfair to him and I feel like he should understand that the vast majority of us recognize that.

Also, thanks to you for doing your job. I can't imagine being occupationally obligated to read through these terrible posts.

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No reason to be sorry!

EVE has one of the most passionate communities, which becomes very visible both when we do good things, but certainly also when we screw up. This time we screwed up, so let's hope next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

Anyway, have a nice Sunday everyone.

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Originally by: Tsukimaru

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Among the blind, the one-eyed trouser-snake is king.

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Originally by: The Blind One

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Edited by: The Blind One on 03/07/2011 17:23:11
You have consistently been one of the people at CCP who demonstrates a real and tangible passion for Eve Online.

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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So maybe you could elaborate on your actual personal opinion about MT?
Unless of course you must not...

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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So maybe you could elaborate on your actual personal opinion about MT?
Unless of course you must not...

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He already did:

"I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, I'd like to sell a lot more than vanity items. Does this mean I'm an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a secret team of Navy SEALs?

Let's hope not, although that's the impression I get sometimes when interacting with our customers. There is a pretty overwhelming perception amongst EVE players that these changes are bad. I think they're brilliant, but our players don't. We're going to face an uphill struggle, and the reason many of us never talk about this publically [sic] is that we'd be burned at the stake by the players.

I don't really understand the logic behind it, but that's probably because I've been using virtual goods sales for a long time now and actually prefer them over subscriptions. Why? Because they let me manage my spending, and I'll sometimes prefer to buy a better experience when engaging in my hobby.

Does that mean that they're universally good, and we should slap a price-tag on everything? Probably not, and like any other change we make to our game, they need to be well thought out and well executed. But most important of all, they need to provide value to our customer.

I'll give you an example of something I think provides value to our customer, which I'd like to sell. Right now, you can store 50 personal fittings on our servers. That's more than enough for the average EVE player, but for a subset of our users, it's too small a number. Why not be able to add more storage space for a small amount of money? You'd even be able to upgrade it multiple times if you needed and permanently add this benefit to your character, making it even more valuable. And you know what? If you don't like paying for this, you can always buy a PLEX off the market, and never have to get your credit card out. I think that's pretty goddamn cool, and I'm not entirely sure why that makes me ****** to some EVE players.

Now this shouldn't be a one way street; I think we should be giving money away too. Giving people small amounts of micro-currency for being loyal subscribers, or even as a reward for high level gameplay like taking sovereignty should be just as legitimate a part of the business model as charging players."

If any of this no longer reflects your personal beliefs Kris, now might be a good time to clarify that.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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So maybe you could elaborate on your actual personal opinion about MT?
Unless of course you must not...

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If any of this no longer reflects your personal beliefs Kris, now might be a good time to clarify that.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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I'll tell you what I believe we should never sell

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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So maybe you could elaborate on your actual personal opinion about MT?
Unless of course you must not...

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If any of this no longer reflects your personal beliefs Kris, now might be a good time to clarify that.

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I'll tell you what I believe we should never sell; Anything that messes with the competitive balance of the game. No + stat ammo, no + stat ships and anything of that type.

Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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So maybe you could elaborate on your actual personal opinion about MT?
Unless of course you must not...

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If any of this no longer reflects your personal beliefs Kris, now might be a good time to clarify that.

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I'll tell you what I believe we should never sell; Anything that messes with the competitive balance of the game. No + stat ammo, no + stat ships and anything of that type.

Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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Originally by: MeBiatch

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Edited by: MeBiatch on 27/06/2011 17:06:00
Edited by: MeBiatch on 26/06/2011 23:55:24
make the storeBPC only!


This is how it should work.

I have a list of items in the store all of them are bpc's (each bpc has 5 runs on it)

lets say this time i pick monocole so i drop $60 bones and get the bpc...

i then have a list of ruff materials that i need to make the awesome monocles...

so i jump in my hauler go over the the planet and start making the base materials i need...

once i have the materials i then go back to the station and open industry and start a run cycle to construct the monocles...

I can then sell this item on contract or market or my store(when i get one) for ISK...

Do MT this way and i dont think people will have a problem with it...

make the arum store BPC only

Personally i would want my store to be a "west cost choppers" where i install awesome engine trails and paint jobs...

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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As a courtesy to Kris, who expressed a great deal of confusion in his diatribe in Fearless, I will help clear some of that up for him.

"I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, I'd like to sell a lot more than vanity items. Does this mean I'm an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a secret team of Navy SEALs?"

Thank-you for expressing your own opinion in such unambiguous terms. No, it doesn't mean that you're an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a team of Navy SEALs, but thank-you for providing such a wonderful example of your annoying sense of 'humor' that many of us find so grating.

What it DOES mean, however, is that you are either completely ignorant or a liar. If you don't know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only, you are completely ignorant. If you do know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only but you plan to ignore that promise, you are a liar. I leave it to your discretion if you'd care to clarify which you are.

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Originally by: fukier

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Edited by: fukier on 03/07/2011 19:30:14

Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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So maybe you could elaborate on your actual personal opinion about MT?
Unless of course you must not...

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If any of this no longer reflects your personal beliefs Kris, now might be a good time to clarify that.

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I'll tell you what I believe we should never sell; Anything that messes with the competitive balance of the game. No + stat ammo, no + stat ships and anything of that type.

Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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about that why not make the clothes destructible... the ships will explode and i loose the cool skin... why not my pants?

make all clothes destructible in a podding... (hell there should be a clothes bay like a fuel bay)
why not improve the player market by making all the nex items bpc only? that way you have more use for PI materials and it ensures that the whole nex thing is all player based ...

see this quote:

Originally by: MeBiatch

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Edited by: MeBiatch on 27/06/2011 17:06:00
Edited by: MeBiatch on 26/06/2011 23:55:24
make the storeBPC only!


This is how it should work.

I have a list of items in the store all of them are bpc's (each bpc has 5 runs on it)

lets say this time i pick monocole so i drop $60 bones and get the bpc...

i then have a list of ruff materials that i need to make the awesome monocles...

so i jump in my hauler go over the the planet and start making the base materials i need...

once i have the materials i then go back to the station and open industry and start a run cycle to construct the monocles...

I can then sell this item on contract or market or my store(when i get one) for ISK...

Do MT this way and i dont think people will have a problem with it...

make the arum store BPC only

Personally i would want my store to be a "west cost choppers" where i install awesome engine trails and paint jobs...

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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I don't hear a lot of confusion here. I do hear someone who acknowledges that his customers overwhelmingly oppose the changes he has planned. So rather than communicate with the players about it, exchange views, show respect, he plans to push those changes through without talking about those changes publicly.

Please correct me if I'm mischaracterizing this bit. I could be wrong, I often am.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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As a courtesy to Kris, who expressed a great deal of confusion in his diatribe in Fearless, I will help clear some of that up for him.

"I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, I'd like to sell a lot more than vanity items. Does this mean I'm an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a secret team of Navy SEALs?"

Thank-you for expressing your own opinion in such unambiguous terms. No, it doesn't mean that you're an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a team of Navy SEALs, but thank-you for providing such a wonderful example of your annoying sense of 'humor' that many of us find so grating.

What it DOES mean, however, is that you are either completely ignorant or a liar. If you don't know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only, you are completely ignorant. If you do know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only but you plan to ignore that promise, you are a liar. I leave it to your discretion if you'd care to clarify which you are.

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I think you're painting an extremely black and white picture based on an opinion piece. I haven't written a single design that includes MT in my life, and when the day comes that I do, it will be within the bounds of my previous post. That's it really.

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Clothing could simply be a Hologram. You have implants in yer dome. And so there is an implant in your dome that creates HOLOGRAMS of clothing/monocles. When you are podded, a new Hologram implant is installed, with all the Clothing/items already uploaded.

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Originally by: The Blind One

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I have absolutely no doubt that you wrote that opinion piece because you were told to do so. You drew the short straw on that one and have been demonized for just doing your job.

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Originally by: Gaeid Modiso

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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If you sell hair pieces, you also need to sell a point and laugh emote for use in the station. Can we get a Donald Trump hair piece?

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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So maybe you could elaborate on your actual personal opinion about MT?
Unless of course you must not...

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If any of this no longer reflects your personal beliefs Kris, now might be a good time to clarify that.

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I'll tell you what I believe we should never sell; Anything that messes with the competitive balance of the game. No + stat ammo, no + stat ships and anything of that type.

Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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"I don't really understand the logic behind it, but that's probably because I've been using virtual goods sales for a long time now and actually prefer them over subscriptions. Why? Because they let me manage my spending, and I'll sometimes prefer to buy a better experience when engaging in my hobby."

Kris, I'm glad you said that you 'actually prefer them over subscriptions.' That's wonderful. I've got some news for you, sir. Are you sitting down? Okay, here goes: EVE is a subscription-based game. In fact, EVE's average player pays more per month in subscription fees than ANY OTHER MMO's average player does. We've ALREADY PAID for a "better experience", even though many of us would settle for the "same old experience" at this point. If you still don't get my point, have your buddy Turbefield explain it to you.

I'm also glad you admit that you "don't really understand the logic behind it." Perhaps if you HAD discussed your ideas with players (an option you reject in the previous paragraph,) we could have helped you with that.

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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As a courtesy to Kris, who expressed a great deal of confusion in his diatribe in Fearless, I will help clear some of that up for him.

"I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, I'd like to sell a lot more than vanity items. Does this mean I'm an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a secret team of Navy SEALs?"

Thank-you for expressing your own opinion in such unambiguous terms. No, it doesn't mean that you're an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a team of Navy SEALs, but thank-you for providing such a wonderful example of your annoying sense of 'humor' that many of us find so grating.

What it DOES mean, however, is that you are either completely ignorant or a liar. If you don't know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only, you are completely ignorant. If you do know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only but you plan to ignore that promise, you are a liar. I leave it to your discretion if you'd care to clarify which you are.

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I think you're painting an extremely black and white picture based on an opinion piece. I haven't written a single design that includes MT in my life, and when the day comes that I do, it will be within the bounds of my previous post. That's it really.

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Should we treat ALL communications from you with the same grain of salt? If we like what you are saying, then its coming from you. But if we don't like it, or disagree, or we feel insulted by it, then its just silly talk and should be disregarded?

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Originally by: The Blind One

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I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the playerbase. You have consistently been one of the people at CCP who demonstrates a real and tangible passion for Eve Online. You put a lot of hard work into making this game as good as it can be for this group of socially-backward, aspie ******s.

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Eve is dead.

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Originally by: xxxTRUSTxxx

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Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx on 03/07/2011 19:52:22

we the community of eve have a right to vioce how we felt about the leaked documents.

we where right to be up in arms, and IF in the future something like this happens again.

we will have the right to make it clearly known to the company that we are not happy campers.

as i sure soundwave would agree,, any other way and it just wouldn't be EVE.

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Originally by: Komen

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To the OP: You don't speak for me, and on a simple vocal opinion poll of my corp, many of whom don't bother to really hit the forums much, you don't speak for the majority of them, either. The rest of Eve I cannot speak for.

Those who called for Soundwave's head, metaphorically or otherwise, were focusing on him because he wrote the opinion piece. Some are mad about the tone of the piece. Me, I was/am mad because we were promised no P2W, and yet here is a CCPer apparently arguing the case for it, AFTER the promise was made. It creates the appearance of CCP thinking about whether to go back on their word.

That CCP still does not seem to get why this is so upsetting, is in itself upsetting.

In short: That piece should never have been written. It should instead have been an article about a firm belief on Soundwave's part, as stated in this thread, that P2W is boring and mis-placed in a game about persistance and consequences.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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Originally by: CCP Shadow

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Just for clarification, the skillpoints CCP will be giving pilots to make up for the extended downtime in this case is not tied to microtransactions. Editing to add this: We do not

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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As a courtesy to Kris, who expressed a great deal of confusion in his diatribe in Fearless, I will help clear some of that up for him.

"I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, I'd like to sell a lot more than vanity items. Does this mean I'm an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a secret team of Navy SEALs?"

Thank-you for expressing your own opinion in such unambiguous terms. No, it doesn't mean that you're an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a team of Navy SEALs, but thank-you for providing such a wonderful example of your annoying sense of 'humor' that many of us find so grating.

What it DOES mean, however, is that you are either completely ignorant or a liar. If you don't know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only, you are completely ignorant. If you do know that your company promised to its customers that MT would be vanity only but you plan to ignore that promise, you are a liar. I leave it to your discretion if you'd care to clarify which you are.

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Originally by: Gaeid Modiso

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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If you sell hair pieces, you also need to sell a point and laugh emote for use in the station. Can we get a Donald Trump hair piece?

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Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose

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Thanks for fooling the masses Soundwave, it has been a collaboration of genius.
I wish I could fool this many people so easily.

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Originally by: Vera Maricadie

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Edited by: Vera Maricadie on 03/07/2011 20:39:18
While I didn't agree with the position espoused in the article written by CCP Soundwave in Fearless, I do accept that it was an opinion piece meant to counter the anti-MT position, and thus was not a future policy statement.

From what I read in that article, and from what I've read from him on these forums, I think he has a firm grasp of how the player base feels about non-vanity MT, and just as importantly, *why* they feel that way. That's key for me.

The fact that he's responded in this this thread in the manner that he has, makes me that much more positive about EVE's future in the wake of the disaster of the last 1.5 weeks.

Thanks for posting here and sharing your thoughts here Soundwave, you've made me a happy, paying customer.

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Originally by: Serious Spaceship Girl

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Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose

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Thanks for fooling the masses Soundwave, it has been a collaboration of genius.
I wish I could fool this many people so easily.

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What would you do?

Fool us into getting mohawks?

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Originally by: Mintala Arana

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AkJon, it seems pretty clear after even a relatively casual reading of the full Fearless (not the originally posted document, which now looks like it was cut down to make things look worse than they really were) that Kris was asked to write a position piece, one which he might not personally agree with. This is commonly known as "playing the Devil's Advocate". I don't think we can necessarily conclude that Kris was personally in favor of MT for game advantage, so don't be a d*ck just because Kris took the position he did.

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Originally by: Mintala Arana

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What that issue of Fearless also makes clear (to me, anyway) is that there's an element inside CCP that is in favor of that level of MT. That element inside CCP concerns me way more. And Hilmar's email was completely unacceptable to me; it's obvious he's gotten completely out of touch with the player base.

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Originally by: Gaeid Modiso

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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If you sell hair pieces, you also need to sell a point and laugh emote for use in the station. Can we get a Donald Trump hair piece?

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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No reason to be sorry!

EVE has one of the most passionate communities, which becomes very visible both when we do good things, but certainly also when we screw up. This time we screwed up, so let's hope next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

Anyway, have a nice Sunday everyone.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: The Blind One

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Edited by: The Blind One on 03/07/2011 17:23:11
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the playerbase. You have consistently been one of the people at CCP who demonstrates a real and tangible passion for Eve Online. You put a lot of hard work into making this game as good as it can be for this group of socially-backward, aspie ******s.

You do not deserve the malice and vitriol that you received from us due to the Fearless newsletter.

Anyone who has worked for a large company will recognize that newsletters like that are internal indoctrination tools. They are produced in order to disseminate messages from upper-management to the rest of the company. The claim that it is merely a forum for discussion is simply not true.

But I have absolutely no doubt that you wrote that opinion piece because you were told to do so. You drew the short straw on that one and have been demonized for just doing your job. I apologize for that on behalf of the player-base.

We love you, and we love what you do for the game.

(Edit: On second thought, I'd like to extend this to the entire community team. You guys have a tough job and we appreciate what you do)

To the Community Team,

It being a Sunday, I doubt Soundwave is in the office today. If you would be so kind as to e-mail him a link to this post, I would appreciate it. This has been enormously unfair to him and I feel like he should understand that the vast majority of us recognize that.

Also, thanks to you for doing your job. I can't imagine being occupationally obligated to read through these terrible posts.

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No reason to be sorry!

EVE has one of the most passionate communities, which becomes very visible both when we do good things, but certainly also when we screw up. This time we screwed up, so let's hope next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

Anyway, have a nice Sunday everyone.

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Originally by: McKinlay

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When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Let me explain why your example makes you ****** to some EVE players. You are spending your time and resources deliberately breaking in-game functionality and then planning to sell that in-game functionality back to the players of a subscription based game who already pay you more per average player than any other such game on the market.

You have neglected Internet Spaceships for so long that the bugs have bugs.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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If it's not his actual point of view, then he is willing to PRETEND that something is his point of view and PUT HIS NAME on something that is not his point of view if his bosses tell him to. And that's just as bad. If he is happy and willing to subjugate whatever his personal point of view is, then his actual point of view is irrelevant and the surrogate point of view that his bosses have told him to have is what matters.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Mintala Arana

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AkJon, it seems pretty clear after even a relatively casual reading of the full Fearless (not the originally posted document, which now looks like it was cut down to make things look worse than they really were) that Kris was asked to write a position piece, one which he might not personally agree with. This is commonly known as "playing the Devil's Advocate". I don't think we can necessarily conclude that Kris was personally in favor of MT for game advantage, so don't be a d*ck just because Kris took the position he did.

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Your assertion about what 'seems pretty clear' just isn't so. That claim is thoroughly debunked here. "I would like ..." "I'd like ..." "I think they're brilliant ..." "I don't understand the logic behind it (the opposite point of view.)"

I honestly don't see how you can read it and not see that this IS his ACTUAL point of view. He wasn't even willing to say here (or anywhere else) that the opinion he expressed in Fearless is not his actual opinion. He just allows the lies of others to create that impression.

If it's not his actual point of view, then he is willing to PRETEND that something is his point of view and PUT HIS NAME on something that is not his point of view if his bosses tell him to. And that's just as bad. If he is happy and willing to subjugate whatever his personal point of view is, then his actual point of view is irrelevant and the surrogate point of view that his bosses have told him to have is what matters.

Originally by: Mintala Arana

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What that issue of Fearless also makes clear (to me, anyway) is that there's an element inside CCP that is in favor of that level of MT. That element inside CCP concerns me way more. And Hilmar's email was completely unacceptable to me; it's obvious he's gotten completely out of touch with the player base.

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There is no daylight between Kris and Hilmar. You like one of them because you've enjoyed his shtick on alliance tournament broadcasts over the years. I expect better from the lead designer of Internet Spaceships.

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Originally by: Doctor Garamond Trebuchet

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Huge props soundwave for entering this lions den.

+1 respect impant. Good luck getting through all the comtracted dcus. Can you post or tweet how many you actually got?

Some humor will go a long way. Time heals all wounds.

Im still ****ed at Hilmar, because i cant bring myself to buy a PS3 as im an xbox360 and wii player. Oh and the only cool CEO is richard branson!

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Originally by: CCP Guard

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Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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That's a hilarious idea!

I currently have 91 contracts to me. They're mostly DCUs, but someone also contracted diplomacy skillbooks, which is pretty damn hilarious. The best one is probably a cloaking device though .

<3

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Originally by: Jasdemi

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In before lock.

Peasants .. oh peasants. Just what is wrong with you.

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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So maybe you could elaborate on your actual personal opinion about MT?
Unless of course you must not...

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If any of this no longer reflects your personal beliefs Kris, now might be a good time to clarify that.

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I'll tell you what I believe we should never sell; Anything that messes with the competitive balance of the game. No + stat ammo, no + stat ships and anything of that type.

Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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What about things that convert TIME into MONEY?

i.e. Selling normal ships that players already have access to?

Player A has lots of Time but little money. So they spend their time playing the game, collecting ore, isk, and building a ship, or buying it with in game currency off the market. Lets say, a Dominix.

Player B doesnt have a lot of time, but has lots of IRL money. So instead of collecting ore and doing all those time consuming things, they just buy a Dominix off the website with IRL CASH?

The Dominix Player A has is IDENTICAL to the DOMINIX Player B has. So there is no advantage. Theres just a difference in the way they acquired the Identical ships.

From the communication we are getting, it feels like you guys are DELIBERATELY wording things to leave this option open.

Youve commented on selling items that would give one player an ADVANTAGE over another. But what about equal items? What about selling items that DO NOT give an advantage? I.e. EVERY ITEM ALREADY IN GAME.

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Quote:

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Quote:

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What about things that convert TIME into MONEY?

i.e. Selling normal ships that players already have access to?

Player A has lots of Time but little money. So they spend their time playing the game, collecting ore, isk, and building a ship, or buying it with in game currency off the market. Lets say, a Dominix.

Player B doesnt have a lot of time, but has lots of IRL money. So instead of collecting ore and doing all those time consuming things, they just buy a Dominix off the website with IRL CASH?

The Dominix Player A has is IDENTICAL to the DOMINIX Player B has. So there is no advantage. Theres just a difference in the way they acquired the Identical ships.

From the communication we are getting, it feels like you guys are DELIBERATELY wording things to leave this option open.

Youve commented on selling items that would give one player an ADVANTAGE over another. But what about equal items? What about selling items that DO NOT give an advantage? I.e. EVERY ITEM ALREADY IN GAME.

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This is the most important post in this thread.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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That's a hilarious idea!

I currently have 91 contracts to me. They're mostly DCUs, but someone also contracted diplomacy skillbooks, which is pretty damn hilarious. The best one is probably a cloaking device though .

<3

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Originally by: Snake Scofield

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Quote:

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Quote:

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What about things that convert TIME into MONEY?

i.e. Selling normal ships that players already have access to?

Player A has lots of Time but little money. So they spend their time playing the game, collecting ore, isk, and building a ship, or buying it with in game currency off the market. Lets say, a Dominix.

Player B doesnt have a lot of time, but has lots of IRL money. So instead of collecting ore and doing all those time consuming things, they just buy a Dominix off the website with IRL CASH?

The Dominix Player A has is IDENTICAL to the DOMINIX Player B has. So there is no advantage. Theres just a difference in the way they acquired the Identical ships.

From the communication we are getting, it feels like you guys are DELIBERATELY wording things to leave this option open.

Youve commented on selling items that would give one player an ADVANTAGE over another. But what about equal items? What about selling items that DO NOT give an advantage? I.e. EVERY ITEM ALREADY IN GAME.

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This is the most important post in this thread.

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They're already doing this with Plex->Isk. Why would they change it? At least it doesn't cut out the manufacturers at the moment.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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RABBLE RABBLE

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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So maybe you could elaborate on your actual personal opinion about MT?
Unless of course you must not...

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If any of this no longer reflects your personal beliefs Kris, now might be a good time to clarify that.

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I'll tell you what I believe we should never sell; Anything that messes with the competitive balance of the game. No + stat ammo, no + stat ships and anything of that type.

Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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No reason to be sorry!

EVE has one of the most passionate communities, which becomes very visible both when we do good things, but certainly also when we screw up. This time we screwed up, so let's hope next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

Anyway, have a nice Sunday everyone.

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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

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Kris, I want a 'special shovel' too.

If you won't do anything about bots

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Originally by: Red Maiden

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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

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Kris, I want a 'special shovel' too.

If you won't do anything about bots

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Removing bots would destroy the economy. The bots do jobs that no one else wants to do--removing them would break the market.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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I'll tell you what I believe we should never sell; Anything that messes with the competitive balance of the game. No + stat ammo, no + stat ships and anything of that type.

Dresses, ship skins, hair pieces? No problem. But nothing that screws up the competitive balance between two players. It's boring and doesn't really bring value to the players.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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ôGOLD AMMMO GETS INTO EVE WHEN ITÆS TAKEN FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDSö

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Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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given the brass ones shown by soundwave and after reading his interview im going to plex up the accounts I was going to kill. Thanks for the honest responses and talking to us direct.

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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I hear blind people are pretty uninformed in general.

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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

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Edited by: Jonathan Ferguson on 15/07/2011 19:00:50

Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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given the brass ones shown by soundwave and after reading his interview im going to plex up the accounts I was going to kill. Thanks for the honest responses and talking to us direct.

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Wait, Paul Clavet? Is that you?

Bunch of addicts with their 'rabble, rabble, rabble' using any excuse to pretend that it's all better now so that they can get their next fix.

Wish they'd 'show some brass ones' and say 'I'm addicted to EVE. Don't take my complaints seriously in future. Please use lube maybe unless you don't want to that's okay too.'

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Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

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Edited by: Jonathan Ferguson on 15/07/2011 19:00:50

Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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given the brass ones shown by soundwave and after reading his interview im going to plex up the accounts I was going to kill. Thanks for the honest responses and talking to us direct.

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Wait, Paul Clavet? Is that you?

Bunch of addicts with their 'rabble, rabble, rabble' using any excuse to pretend that it's all better now so that they can get their next fix.

Wish they'd 'show some brass ones' and say 'I'm addicted to EVE. Don't take my complaints seriously in future. Please use lube maybe unless you don't want to that's okay too.'

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If you say so brosef. I had already alluded to the fact on more than one occasion that I was using the opportunity to metagame, yeah I was ****ed off initially but between everything else im playing being a pile of suck, my friends wanting me back, and seeing what I would regard as some genuine discourse from Soundwave im satisfied.

Im not exactly hurting for isk and could plex up for several years on each account so screw it, if CCP do kill the game in the near future at least i can say " I WAS THERE ".

and just for you : Im addicted to eve, don't take (me) or my complaints seriously in the future.

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Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

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Edited by: Jonathan Ferguson on 15/07/2011 19:00:50

Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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given the brass ones shown by soundwave and after reading his interview im going to plex up the accounts I was going to kill. Thanks for the honest responses and talking to us direct.

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Wait, Paul Clavet? Is that you?

Bunch of addicts with their 'rabble, rabble, rabble' using any excuse to pretend that it's all better now so that they can get their next fix.

Wish they'd 'show some brass ones' and say 'I'm addicted to EVE. Don't take my complaints seriously in future. Please use lube maybe unless you don't want to that's okay too.'

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If you say so brosef. I had already alluded to the fact on more than one occasion that I was using the opportunity to metagame, yeah I was ****ed off initially but between everything else im playing being a pile of suck, my friends wanting me back, and seeing what I would regard as some genuine discourse from Soundwave im satisfied.

Im not exactly hurting for isk and could plex up for several years on each account so screw it, if CCP do kill the game in the near future at least i can say " I WAS THERE ".

and just for you : Im addicted to eve, don't take (me) or my complaints seriously in the future.

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Originally by: Xercodo

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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ôGOLD AMMMO GETS INTO EVE WHEN ITÆS TAKEN FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDSö

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we'll paste it everywhere for you :P

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: Xercodo

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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ôGOLD AMMMO GETS INTO EVE WHEN ITÆS TAKEN FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDSö

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we'll paste it everywhere for you :P

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Not empty quoting.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

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I couldn't figure out why your name seemed so familiar and then it dawned on me. You were my very first killmail! Cheers to you for that.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

Originally by: Disturbed Pilot

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I still can't get over this... I want my 15 dollars to pay for the game, I don't want to pay 15 dollars and then see even more ways for someone to try to take my money. How the idea of Microtransactions ever even came to the table in this subscription game is beyond me. But them actually introducing it into the game (which is obviously a system that they can introduce any kind of item they want into) is extremely disheartening.

I love eve enough not to quit on what I see as an ultimate failure, but if i keep seeing this stuff I wont consciously be able to keep playing.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

Originally by: Roosterton

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Originally by: Disturbed Pilot

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I still can't get over this... I want my 15 dollars to pay for the game, I don't want to pay 15 dollars and then see even more ways for someone to try to take my money. How the idea of Microtransactions ever even came to the table in this subscription game is beyond me. But them actually introducing it into the game (which is obviously a system that they can introduce any kind of item they want into) is extremely disheartening.

I love eve enough not to quit on what I see as an ultimate failure, but if i keep seeing this stuff I wont consciously be able to keep playing.

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Keep seeing what? Microtransactions which don't offer an advantage in any way?

The way I see it, if people are willing to pay for it, it means more money to CCP, which means more money dedicated to improving the game. Doesn't bother me.

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Originally by: Disturbed Pilot

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Originally by: Roosterton

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Originally by: Disturbed Pilot

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I still can't get over this... I want my 15 dollars to pay for the game, I don't want to pay 15 dollars and then see even more ways for someone to try to take my money. How the idea of Microtransactions ever even came to the table in this subscription game is beyond me. But them actually introducing it into the game (which is obviously a system that they can introduce any kind of item they want into) is extremely disheartening.

I love eve enough not to quit on what I see as an ultimate failure, but if i keep seeing this stuff I wont consciously be able to keep playing.

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Oh, okay then. Just go ahead and quit based on the probability that CCP decides to introduce

Keep seeing what? Microtransactions which don't offer an advantage in any way?

The way I see it, if people are willing to pay for it, it means more money to CCP, which means more money dedicated to improving the game. Doesn't bother me.

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"(which is obviously a system that they can introduce any kind of item they want into) " It's designed with obvious intentions.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

Quote:

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CCP Soundwave

IÆm a pretty massive fan of adding as many different playstyles into EVE, and the thought of someone only playing to maintain their fashion empire is pretty awesome.

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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... next time there are a lot of people posting, it's because we did something well.

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Let's hope we have reason for that soon and often.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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soundwave is pretty much the best hope flying in space has in eve online, a bad game

if you like spaceships you should back the **** off

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Originally by: The Mittani

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soundwave is pretty much the best hope flying in space has in eve online, a bad game

if you like spaceships you should back the **** off

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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

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What could possibly go wrong?

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Originally by: The Mittani

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soundwave is pretty much the best hope flying in space has in eve online, a bad game

if you like spaceships you should back the **** off

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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

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Edited by: Jonathan Ferguson on 16/07/2011 07:48:14
So anyway, you've got a goon running CSM and a goon in charge of developing internet spaceships. And the goon in charge of developing internet spaceships has this to say:

"IÆve started using the CSM quite a lot. TheyÆre the first line of sanity check we do, so whenever we make a large change, thatÆs been run by the CSM. The original design/thoughts are put on the CSM forum, they give us feedback, and we make changes to the design and then implement it. You shouldnÆt underestimate just how important they have become to the process. WeÆre doing 0.0 development work right now, and theyÆve been shown most of the stuff weÆve come up with, pretty much straight away. ItÆs a bit strange at first, to have work reviewed like that, but once you get used to it the feedback is invaluable."

So a goon asks a bunch of goons (and goon sycophants, who generally defer to the chief goon) how he should spend his insanely limited resources on EVE (because he has a bunch of 'special shovels' that he wants to give to 'some people'. Gee, I wonder who's going to get the special shovels?)

And the other goon, who doesn't even play EVE or know **** all about much of EVE (such as wormholes) and who has explicitly stated that he only represents goons is his 'sanity check.'

What could possibly go wrong?

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Originally by: Tarminic

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OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

Originally by: Vernn Miller

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Lotta goon hate ITT

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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

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Originally by: Vernn Miller

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Lotta goon hate ITT

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I don't hate goons, per se. (Is it a little more troubling that it's goons (known primarily for scamming, griefing and asshattery) and not some other group, yeah, sure.) I hate broken EVE. And sandbox games break when specific groups within the sandbox get given 'special shovels' (or disproportionate influence over game development.)

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Originally by: Vernn Miller

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So if I scam, grief miners and smacktalk people in local that must mean I am a terrible person in day to day life and probably kill small puppies for amusement right?

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Originally by: Vernn Miller

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But yes, EVE is broken on many aspects and has a lot of content that was just thrown out there and never revised. I guess you could blame that on the company`s desire to release new stuff every half a year not an ingame group.

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Originally by: Thermoss Devlin

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I have to say that after listening/reading the latest interview. I have come to revive my faith and trust for that CCP will maintain the culture of EVE.

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Originally by: Thermoss Devlin

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I have to say that after listening/reading the latest interview. I have come to revive my faith and trust for that CCP will maintain the culture of EVE.

At least I hope so!

Keep up the good work Soundwave!

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Originally by: Thermoss Devlin

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I have to say that after listening/reading the latest interview. I have come to revive my faith and trust for that CCP will maintain the culture of EVE.

At least I hope so!

Keep up the good work Soundwave!

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