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Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2011.07.03 18:56:00 -
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Hey,
I'm just starting this thread to hopefully get some attention for those unloved, useless modules that nobody in their right mind uses for anything other than comedy killmails.
I am not saying they should be massively buffed or deleted from game, but perhaps people would like to fill us in on why they are so bad, and any related history. Please feel free to add to this list.
Starting in no particular order:
1. Small & Medium hull repairers - Other than the odd offline small hull rep on a taranis fleet going deep roaming in 0.0 I really have never seen these used.
2. Small & Medium Remote Cap/Shield/Armour repairers (transfers) - High fitting requirements, low ranges, logistic ships can fit Large anyway
3. Non-Rolled Tungsten / Tech 2 armour Plates (especially 100mm) - Rolled Tungsten is better in every way. Cost difference is marginal.
4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant
5. Small Cap Battery - Horrible fitting reqs, low benefit
I'm sure there are many more, help post them, ta.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:07:00 -
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50mm and 100mm armor plates
Small shield extenders
100mn afterburners on battleships. Its not all that viable on T3s either, but it has its following and a lot of people don't understand agility.
Any of the small remote rep modules.
Medium cap batteries
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Wedding Peach
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:13:00 -
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Small Sentry Drone Rigs: Its hard enough to find a ship able to launch a single sentry drone. The few that can would benefit more from a wing of small drones.
Large Access Electronic Rigs: You have yourself a Battleship and you fit one of its rig slots with the ability to access hacking cans with a 10% increase. You must be incredibly rich and lazy then...
Non-T1 and T2 Gas Harvesters: Considering that I have never seen any of these and that a cruiser can fit a full rack of T2 Harvesters, the lower cost of CPU is rather pointless due to the fact that most ships with gas harvesters should only be fit for one task. Gas harvesting. I suppose having Cloak, MWD and Probes also help but I can fit all of that on a Cyclone with T2 Harvesters which take up 70 CPU EACH but have a much greater yield while the T1s are good for those who don't have the SP. -------------------------------------------------- I am the Love Angel, Wedding Peach, and I am very displeased by your lack of love! |
TheMahdi
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: TheMahdi on 03/07/2011 20:15:52 Edited by: TheMahdi on 03/07/2011 20:15:25
Originally by: Patient 2428190
100mn afterburners on battleships. Its not all that viable on T3s either, but it has its following and a lot of people don't understand agility.
Medium cap batteries
lol. There are plenty of fits that use both of them. Medium cap batteries can give better cap stability than cap rechargers on certain cruiser/T3 fits. And 100mn ABs are used on almost every single decent mission BS (cept for a few that need the mids), unless you like slow boating everywhere. Also they are incredibly powerful on Tengus and Legions for GTFO ability and you don't need to turn when you are aligned already, it's all about pure speed and out running the DPS.
I agree with the others.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.07.03 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: TheMahdi Medium cap batteries can give better cap stability than cap rechargers on certain cruiser/T3 fits. And 100mn ABs are used on almost every single decent mission BS (cept for a few that need the mids), unless you like slow boating everywhere.
I bet you mean large cap batteries and not medium, and you forgot about all the MWD using mission BS.
As for the useless modules, add all the non-energized regenerative platings. I have yet to ever see any single ship that can utilize them what so ever. The energized ones are rare enough.
Shield Flux Coils - Shield power relays are bad, these are... well...
Eos - I guess some call it a ship, but it can't really fly so it might aswell be considered a module.
If you want to go into details like meta levels, lowtier angel officer bcus are worse than their much more common faction variants, such as CN but worse in near enough every way. (Higher fitting, lower rate of fire bonus, everything else identical). This repeats itself in lots of other modules, such as RCUs, Tuvan's for example is 13.75%... T2 is 15%. Parrots, commence!
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Saile Litestrider
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Posted - 2011.07.03 21:09:00 -
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All of the smallest tier of weapons, for example, quad beam lasers. They have the tracking of large guns, and the range and damage of small guns. There's really no reason to ever use them.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.07.03 21:46:00 -
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I would suggest all the T1, and Meta 1-3 large turrets and launchers.
If you can afford a BS, you can afford Meta 4. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.03 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil I would suggest all the T1, and Meta 1-3 large turrets and launchers.
If you can afford a BS, you can afford Meta 4.
Whats crazy is that Meta 3-4 Medium Guns cost as much as 5-20mil each.
-- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.07.04 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 Any of the small remote rep modules.
I fit a small remote armour repper, to repair my drones when they are damaged.
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Ace Echo
Gallente The Shadow Raiders
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Posted - 2011.07.04 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Any of the small remote rep modules.
I fit a small remote armour repper, to repair my drones when they are damaged.
Yeah - my Navy Comet ratting fit has a small remote hull+armor rep to repair damaged drones. works fine for me.
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Ady
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Posted - 2011.07.04 00:36:00 -
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on note of the small remote reps... why are there no small logistics ships? seems silly not to have frigate hull which can do this, surely this should be a viable setup.
smaller hull means more mobility, will work with frigate gangs.
also lets lower sp and newer chars fulfil the support role.
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Jesus Rambo
Minmatar Unchained Potential Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.07.04 00:48:00 -
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Any micro module, especially smartbombs.
T2 smartbombs to a lesser extent.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.07.04 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 04/07/2011 00:53:10
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Any of the small remote rep modules.
You usually fit those offlined in utility slots on frigate roams.
Even shield transfers can be useful to quickly patch up, but typically you bring hull+armor only.
Originally by: Jesus Rambo Any micro module, especially smartbombs.
Except micro power cores, and micro cap injectors.
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Tarsas Phage
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.07.04 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Aquana Abyss
4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant
Not to nit-pick, but there is one (albeit, non-universal) purpose for this mod.
Say you're in charge of keeping a stock of modules for your corp in 0.0 or in a WH where logistics can be a PITA. You need ECCM/sensor backup arrays for your corpmates' various ships which could span any and all of the races... do you buy boatloads of each race-specific module with the worry of having too few or too much of any particular one? No, you just buy the omnis and call it a day. Everyone's happy.
/T
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.07.04 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: TheMahdi
lol. There are plenty of fits that use both of them. Medium cap batteries can give better cap stability than cap rechargers on certain cruiser/T3 fits. And 100mn ABs are used on almost every single decent mission BS (cept for a few that need the mids), unless you like slow boating everywhere. Also they are incredibly powerful on Tengus and Legions for GTFO ability and you don't need to turn when you are aligned already, it's all about pure speed and out running the DPS.
I agree with the others.
Well in PvE sure, but for PvP, no way for an 100mn AB on a BS.
And the GTFO ability of 100mn AB T3 ship works better in your imagination/EFT than it does in practice. Slap more than one web on it and its not going anywhere faster than ~450m/s. Not exactly GTFO speeds.
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.07.04 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: TheMahdi
lol. There are plenty of fits that use both of them. Medium cap batteries can give better cap stability than cap rechargers on certain cruiser/T3 fits. And 100mn ABs are used on almost every single decent mission BS (cept for a few that need the mids), unless you like slow boating everywhere. Also they are incredibly powerful on Tengus and Legions for GTFO ability and you don't need to turn when you are aligned already, it's all about pure speed and out running the DPS.
I agree with the others.
Well in PvE sure, but for PvP, no way for an 100mn AB on a BS.
And the GTFO ability of 100mn AB T3 ship works better in your imagination/EFT than it does in practice. Slap more than one web on it and its not going anywhere faster than ~450m/s. Not exactly GTFO speeds.
I used to think this, then saw Garmon's 100 AB Tengu videos. Now I consider this talk heresy. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Alyssa Yotosala
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Posted - 2011.07.04 02:50:00 -
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Auto targeting systems. They just dont work.
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.07.04 04:23:00 -
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Auto targeters you can find on ECM boats, as they give extra targeting slots
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Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.07.04 05:50:00 -
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Shield Recharger mods.
Either a hardener or an extender give better stats than a shield recharger.
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Kastsumi Kobayariel
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: TheMahdi
lol. There are plenty of fits that use both of them. Medium cap batteries can give better cap stability than cap rechargers on certain cruiser/T3 fits. And 100mn ABs are used on almost every single decent mission BS (cept for a few that need the mids), unless you like slow boating everywhere. Also they are incredibly powerful on Tengus and Legions for GTFO ability and you don't need to turn when you are aligned already, it's all about pure speed and out running the DPS.
I agree with the others.
And the GTFO ability of 100mn AB T3 ship works better in your imagination/EFT than it does in practice. Slap more than one web on it and its not going anywhere faster than ~450m/s. Not exactly GTFO speeds.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
And the GTFO ability of 100mn AB T3 ship works better in your imagination/EFT than it does in practice. Slap more than one web on it and its not going anywhere faster than ~450m/s. Not exactly GTFO speeds.
Not even talking about acceleration and turn rate that equals a pregnant cow.
Good for damage mitigation, worthless for GTFO or catching stuff.
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman Shield Recharger mods.
Either a hardener or an extender give better stats than a shield recharger.
Not always. It depends on your ship and fit. They definitely shoudl only go on passive shield tanks. Even then, they are usually the last thing I fit on my passive Drake, and the first thing to go when I want/need better resists or tackle. Typically I go with 2 LSE II, 2 T2 hardeners, speed mod, and then a recharger.
Originally by: Krutoj You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jesus Rambo Any micro module, especially smartbombs.
T2 smartbombs to a lesser extent.
Micro modules no longer drop and can't be produced. Yet, it feels like i find more and more setups where a micromodule would've been perfect.
Why would t2 smartbomb be useless? Parrots, commence!
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Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: TheMahdi
Eos - I guess some call it a ship, but it can't really fly so it might aswell be considered a module.
sadly funny
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Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.04 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alyssa Yotosala Auto targeting systems. They just dont work.
I don't know I kind of like using it on my mission ships that have an extra high slot and I can't fit anything else on there due to CPU issues which does happen. They worked quite well for me when I had to grind lv3's up to get up my standings with a new corp. They only seem to lock targets that are attacking you, which seems to work quite well for missions and the added max locks is somewhat helpful. Though I will admit, just going into the options and setting auto-lock back or whatever its called to 12 just makes it kind've pointless unless you really can't fit anything in that last high slot.
It is definately one of the more pontless modules out there, but not quite 100% pointless, as it would have been a lot more annoying trying to lock all those ships in those lv3 missions at the rate I was popping them at. So it did make my life easier.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.04 23:46:00 -
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Any railgun or blaster.
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.05 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Soldarius Even then, they are usually the last thing I fit on my passive Drake, and the first thing to go when I want/need better resists or tackle. Typically I go with 2 LSE II, 2 T2 hardeners, speed mod, and then a recharger.
You seriously PvP in a passive Drake?
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Baraka Saibot
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Posted - 2011.07.05 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Target Painter
Originally by: Soldarius Even then, they are usually the last thing I fit on my passive Drake, and the first thing to go when I want/need better resists or tackle. Typically I go with 2 LSE II, 2 T2 hardeners, speed mod, and then a recharger.
You seriously PvP in a passive Drake?
Yes, people PvP in passive shield or active tanked ships.
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.07.05 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Baraka Saibot
Originally by: Target Painter
Originally by: Soldarius Even then, they are usually the last thing I fit on my passive Drake, and the first thing to go when I want/need better resists or tackle. Typically I go with 2 LSE II, 2 T2 hardeners, speed mod, and then a recharger.
You seriously PvP in a passive Drake?
Yes, people PvP in passive shield or active tanked ships.
I think you're getting mixed up between passive and buffer fits there. Passive armour fits are indeed buffer fits, passive shields aren't buffer.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.05 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman Shield Recharger mods.
Either a hardener or an extender give better stats than a shield recharger.
Yes. Shield Rechargers suck. But primarily because they have a much better low-slot counterpart: the Shield Power Relay II.
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hanzyfranzy
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Posted - 2011.07.05 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aquana Abyss
1. Small & Medium hull repairers - Other than the odd offline small hull rep on a taranis fleet going deep roaming in 0.0 I really have never seen these used.
These are essential to deep space operations, like wormhole space... how else are you going to repair the hulls of your frigates or cruisers? You just fit them at an SMA, repair, then chuck em' back into storage.
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Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.07.05 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: hanzyfranzy
Originally by: Aquana Abyss
1. Small & Medium hull repairers - Other than the odd offline small hull rep on a taranis fleet going deep roaming in 0.0 I really have never seen these used.
These are essential to deep space operations, like wormhole space... how else are you going to repair the hulls of your frigates or cruisers? You just fit them at an SMA, repair, then chuck em' back into storage.
Carrier with 1 cap armour/hull/shield/cap reppers
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Deerin
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:32:00 -
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Energized Regenerative Membrane Regenerative Plating
Both these modules are vastly outperformed by Adaptive versions, which give resists. (Even when stacking penalties up to 3rd module ar considered).
Doubling their effect would bring them inline with adaptives. In that case it would give more EHP but less resists, reducing in less repair efficiency ------------------------------------------- Die Amarr Die!!! |
Chutney Hustler
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:37:00 -
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10mn MWD II - more expensive and worse than Y-T8
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ing SpeedyJ
Gallente Broken Lightning
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Any railgun or blaster.
troll
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.07.05 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman
Originally by: hanzyfranzy
Originally by: Aquana Abyss
1. Small & Medium hull repairers - Other than the odd offline small hull rep on a taranis fleet going deep roaming in 0.0 I really have never seen these used.
These are essential to deep space operations, like wormhole space... how else are you going to repair the hulls of your frigates or cruisers? You just fit them at an SMA, repair, then chuck em' back into storage.
Carrier with 1 cap armour/hull/shield/cap reppers
Please let me know where you bring carriers out to rep a frig
I usually use a logi-arby. Armour Rep drones. Remote hull & shield transfer installed locally. Gets your frig squadron back on the field quicker than a carrier can.
(as an aside, it pays to have some cheap shield logi hanging around, lets you top up the shields to full when you're undocking from an SMA or just joined a squad with a maxed shield boost. Or you're in a pulsar. Or all of the above, where my shield ends up starting life at about 40% ) Also? I just tricked you into reading my signature. |
Baraka Saibot
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Posted - 2011.07.05 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Yabba Addict
Originally by: Baraka Saibot
Originally by: Target Painter
Originally by: Soldarius Even then, they are usually the last thing I fit on my passive Drake, and the first thing to go when I want/need better resists or tackle. Typically I go with 2 LSE II, 2 T2 hardeners, speed mod, and then a recharger.
You seriously PvP in a passive Drake?
Yes, people PvP in passive shield or active tanked ships.
I think you're getting mixed up between passive and buffer fits there. Passive armour fits are indeed buffer fits, passive shields aren't buffer.
I know... Read it again, people actually fly ships fitted for 1v1-3 active tanked or passive shield fitted. You don't want to fight an active tanked myrm, passive drake etc. in a 1v1 buffer tanked ship.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.05 19:02:00 -
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everything you mentioned except #4 is incredibly useful in a wormhole. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.07.05 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones everything you mentioned except #4 is incredibly useful in a wormhole.
I'd love to hear HOW you use them all. IE what kind of setup that utilizes a say 50mm Crystalline carbonide plate.(Just an example I'm curious about all of them). Parrots, commence!
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.05 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Cipher Jones everything you mentioned except #4 is incredibly useful in a wormhole.
I'd love to hear HOW you use them all. IE what kind of setup that utilizes a say 50mm Crystalline carbonide plate.(Just an example I'm curious about all of them).
In the immortal words of Toombs; "Dope it out." . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.07.05 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
In the immortal words of Toombs; "Dope it out."
Ironically, I somewhat assumed dope was involved one way or another. ;) Parrots, commence!
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Rajere
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.05 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rajere on 05/07/2011 19:51:24
Quote: 4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant
The omni is not lower strength, it's the same strength as the racials, While having the same fitting requirements as the racials (for the T2 as well as Meta 4), thus your statement is 180 degrees off. The omni backup sensor array is the only worthwhile mod to use, the racials are worthless unless you only fly a single race's ships for the entirety of your eve career on every character you own.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.07.05 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 05/07/2011 19:51:24
Quote: 4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant
The omni is not lower strength, it's the same strength as the racials, While having the same fitting requirements as the racials (for the T2 as well as Meta 4), thus your statement is 180 degrees off. The omni backup sensor array is the only worthwhile mod to use, the racials are worthless unless you only fly a single race's ships for the entirety of your eve career on every character you own.
Wouldn't go that far. No, they're not worse for typical use, however the omnis use noticeably more cap(2-2.5x as much) and overheat for much shorter(3.4 vs 2) on the meta variants. IIRC they're also a tad more expensive, but that's well... negligible even if so. Parrots, commence!
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CptConorado
Amarr Avenger Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.07.06 00:12:00 -
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The Monocle ________________________________________________ Some say the universe is almost full of honest people, well I say the universe is full of almost honest people. -Unknown |
Pomeroy Wyrd
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Posted - 2011.07.06 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: CptConorado The Monocle
WIN!
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chubbsmcchubbington
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Posted - 2011.07.06 07:03:00 -
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I think that its hilarious that not only are small shield trans. worthless, but that tech 2 small shield transfers ARE MUCH MUCH better than gistii a-type small shield transfers
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Ef Ahak
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Posted - 2011.07.06 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Echo
Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Any of the small remote rep modules.
I fit a small remote armour repper, to repair my drones when they are damaged.
Yeah - my Navy Comet ratting fit has a small remote hull+armor rep to repair damaged drones. works fine for me.
Repairing drones at a station is expensive business! Sometimes it can be over a thousand ISK!!
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Vita Grando'II
Minmatar SuX ltd.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 09:21:00 -
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The Aurum........ I can't imagine people are that dumb to waist real money on a useless item just for a different avatar?
And every ship bigger then a cruiser (well maybe with exception of the machariel). They are so freaking slow and a waist of my time...... GOD I miss nano :/ --
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Spookyjay
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:51:00 -
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Would be nice to see future t3 ships bonuses to specific underpowered weapon systems.
like a amarr t3 bs with a bonus to megabeam lasers specifically.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Spookyjay Would be nice to see future t3 ships bonuses to specific underpowered weapon systems.
like a amarr t3 bs with a bonus to megabeam lasers specifically.
There's a difference betwen underused and underpowered. Parrots, commence!
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Dr Gustof
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Posted - 2011.07.06 15:58:00 -
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I find that the smaller Large weapons do the same amount of damage as their larger versions when going up against battle cruisers and cruisers. I use them on my typhoon for going around hunting BCs and it alows me to fit a larger buffer and fit 3 neuts.
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RC Denton
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Posted - 2011.07.06 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ef Ahak
Originally by: Ace Echo
Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Any of the small remote rep modules.
I fit a small remote armour repper, to repair my drones when they are damaged.
Yeah - my Navy Comet ratting fit has a small remote hull+armor rep to repair damaged drones. works fine for me.
Repairing drones at a station is expensive business! Sometimes it can be over a thousand ISK!!
Ya 'cause no one lives in wormholes or roams into 0.0 areas that don't have NPC stations
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ef Ahak
Originally by: Ace Echo
Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Any of the small remote rep modules.
I fit a small remote armour repper, to repair my drones when they are damaged.
Yeah - my Navy Comet ratting fit has a small remote hull+armor rep to repair damaged drones. works fine for me.
Repairing drones at a station is expensive business! Sometimes it can be over a thousand ISK!!
Hi, I never used to leave hisec either but then the other one dropped and I ran away from home.
In game neckbeard much? . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Dark Assassin15
Failed Diplomacy B A N E
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:43:00 -
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all this talk and not a single mention of a freakin monocle, you all should be ashamed of yourselves
this thread is a failure, need moar monocle pl0x. ---
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Caldari Citizen20090217
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:56:00 -
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Gravity Capacitor II rigs. Rig gives more bonus than the t1 version, but costs more than 1/2 of the calibration so you can always fit 2 t1 at less cost for more benefit.
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Rajere
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 05/07/2011 19:51:24
Quote: 4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant
The omni is not lower strength, it's the same strength as the racials, While having the same fitting requirements as the racials (for the T2 as well as Meta 4), thus your statement is 180 degrees off. The omni backup sensor array is the only worthwhile mod to use, the racials are worthless unless you only fly a single race's ships for the entirety of your eve career on every character you own.
Wouldn't go that far. No, they're not worse for typical use, however the omnis use noticeably more cap(2-2.5x as much) and overheat for much shorter(3.4 vs 2) on the meta variants. IIRC they're also a tad more expensive, but that's well... negligible even if so.
You do realize the Back up sensor array that we are discussing is the low slot eccm module, right? The one that a: Doesn't use cap and b: can't be overheated?
Just checking. btw Apology accepted.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2011.07.07 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 07/07/2011 04:06:58
Originally by: Aquana Abyss 1. Small & Medium hull repairers - Other than the odd offline small hull rep on a taranis fleet going deep roaming in 0.0 I really have never seen these used.
So... that's not useless.
Quote: 2. Small & Medium Remote Cap/Shield/Armour repairers (transfers) - High fitting requirements, low ranges, logistic ships can fit Large anyway
Level IV Logi pilots have a hard time operating all four Large remotes even with cap-support web. So they fit one of them with a medium.
Also not useless.
Quote: 3. Non-Rolled Tungsten / Tech 2 armour Plates (especially 100mm) - Rolled Tungsten is better in every way. Cost difference is marginal.
T2 armor plates, I agree with. However, RRT plates are relatively expensive. If you plan on suicide attacks, you fit regular T1 plates.
Not useless #3.
Quote: 4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant
Finally, you named a really useless module.
Quote: 5. Small Cap Battery - Horrible fitting reqs, low benefit
Low-ish skill Covops pilots fit them to increase warp range. Far from useless, and fairly vital if scouting for a fleet.
Quote: I'm sure there are many more, help post them, ta.
T2 Gravity Capacitor rigs are quite useless. No ships have enough calibration to fit two T2, and two T1 rigs give a better probing bonus than a single T2.
Liquid Cooled Electronics rigs are useless because the bonus makes no sense. It gives a bonus to CPU usage of modules that require the electronics upgrade skill. There are two. One is the CPU upgrade. It uses no CPU. The other is the signal amp. It hardly uses any CPU, even the T2 is easy to fit on any ship.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2011.07.07 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jesus Rambo Any micro module, especially smartbombs.
Micro cap batteries can be used to increase warp range of low-skill Covert Ops ships. There may even be some systems so large that even max-skill Covert Ops pilots cannot warp across in one shot, without a cap battery.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.07.07 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 07/07/2011 04:22:41
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Quote: 4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant
Finally, you named a really useless module.
No he did not. They are the same strength as racials, have the same fittings. I'd argue that the racial backup arrays are redundant.
The midslot variants you could argue with fittings and heat stats, but when buying corp fittings it is way more reasonable to just go with omnis and be done with it instead of watching over four separate piles of modules.
Because you know the radar ones are gonna be out at some point, and you have to run to the nearest market hub or have people fleece their hangars for the three guys *****ing before your fleet is ready.
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