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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:03:00 -
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last day on account last day on Eve - but an offer to make:
Eve Cloned - gain non-exclusive to Eve codebase from CCP and revive pre-Incarna Eve as seperate company. Read on...
I am an IT person w/ expertise in large networked systems and enterprise database - heart of Eve technology besides the stackless client.
I would like to make CCP an offer for a non-exclusive right to stand up an Eve Cloned MMO using their existing archived codebase and database schema up through Incursion last patch.
I know I could pick up 10,000 subscribers on week 1 and grow from there.
I would also like an option to import all of the player existing database data so everyone can start from where they were a month ago - pre Incarna.
I will setup a better team to do all game and customer support - and actually provide improved support. With a game as complex as Eve I will increase the support request petition count per player to fifty instead of two.
I will not add any new features for a long time TBD. I may remove a few things like BOTs and players that do nothing but sit in trade hubs and spam. But I would let the community vote and honor the community majority position on all controversial issues.
My team will only patch and fix all (all means ALL) the existing errors and defects in CCP cloned codebase and database server codes - no problem.
Eve Cloned will be running smoothly and will easily support the 1000+ player battles, return support for legacy PC's and new PC's (russians and others on a budget and those having overheated GPU's will be happy again).
Acceptance of my offer would make Eve Cloned experience an intense fun PVP PVE experience that everyone playing the game has come to love and enjoy.
It was disapopointing to see the unique Eve experience clobbered by the poor code of Incarna and the worse decision making of some.
So there it is - I offer a royalty payment back to CCP, keep the same game rates and ISK PLEX exchange intact.
What do you think? Join in support for the New - Eve Cloned...
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kehro Urgus on 04/07/2011 06:06:38
Discussion of player run servers is not allowed.
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:09:00 -
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Its my last day so who cares - ban me 
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:12:00 -
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"Hey CCP, I totally want to be in direct competition with you, using your own code and database. Is that cool with you?"
Why would you ever post this?
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 Originally by: Dalketh
By the way "clearer" isn't a word so I would avoid calling other people stupid. 
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:13:00 -
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I dunno, i would like to see you fail at it, you are taking it too easy
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ddogg
Amarr
HuzzaH
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:13:00 -
[6]
If you were making a serious business proposal you wouldn't be doing it on the forum.
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:19:00 -
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Because I enjoyed playing Eve pre Incarna as did a lot of others. The alternative MMO's are...well..they are what they are.
I have one of the few thousand or so machines XP/ATI (I think its a lot higher based on forum response) that cannot even logon to Incarna due to SM3 error.
If 10,000 players leave Eve - well an Eve Cloned is not really competing.
In fact it is an opportunity for CCP to recoop some of the revenue via a royalty agreement.
Say a percent margin so offer CCP half of what they were getting from the unsubbing player base. Partial revenue is better than none. Plus they'd have a happy player base again as my company would pick up all the current discontents (like myself).
Seem reasonable?
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:23:00 -
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Why not garner support here?
Lot of IT people play Eve.
An Eve Cloned would be yet another public-GNU type entity like Linux eh?
The subscription fee would mostly go into the server farm, infrastructure and support costs. Developers would be *mostly* unpaid volunteers doing it for the passion of the game.
Traditional companies don't seem to be able to manage large complex distributed IT systems.
A collection of passionate IT people (and artists) can generate better product than out-dated business models. My opinion...
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kez Aumer
"Hey CCP, I totally want to be in direct competition with you, using your own code and database. Is that cool with you?"
Why would you ever post this?
Lack of medication maybe.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:27:00 -
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Because I enjoyed playing Eve pre Incarna as did a lot of others.
Basically you are pathetic. Nothing really changed except the station environment and that you can buy a few overexpensive things.
So, nothing on the gameplay changed but suddenly you doesnt enjoy it anymore.
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If 10,000 players leave Eve - well an Eve Cloned is not really competing.
You want to cut 10k players out of CCPs paying playerbase and call it not competing?
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Say a percent margin so offer CCP half of what they were getting from the unsubbing player base. Partial revenue is better than none.
But, correct me if i'm wrong, if they decline your eve clone, most of the players will remain in eve anyway. No EVE Cloned, no EVE Alternative.
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Seem reasonable?
I have to ask what kind of IT person you are. Are you monitoring stuff only or do you need to use your head sometimes?
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Argos Mindbender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:29:00 -
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Wow...Just wow.
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yumike
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:30:00 -
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Having run MMO services before, I'm gonna have to say you meant to email that to their PR department and they'd put you in contact with the right people.. However you should know that a stakeholder will never split their pie with you (That would be silly.) You would have to be offering to a different demographic, And to be blunt the 5-10% that are gone now probably wouldn't be enough to convince them.
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:31:00 -
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I don't know why one would say 'nothing has changed' poste-Incarna.
How about the thousands of plays that are unable to logon now?
How about the players with high end machines crashing?
And overheated GPU's?
Is that 'nothing'?
And all of the bugs and defects resurfacing?
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender
I am an IT person w/ expertise in large networked systems and enterprise database
Originally by: Xavender
I have one of the few thousand or so machines XP/ATI (I think its a lot higher based on forum response) that cannot even logon to Incarna due to SM3 error.
Something here is not adding up.
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender
How about the players with high end machines crashing?
And overheated GPU's?
Those are issues CCP needs to work on.
Originally by: Xavender
How about the thousands of plays that are unable to logon now?
This is a number pulled out of your behind. Even at the height of the rage storm, you could count the number of 'Shader Model 2' and 'Unable to log on'-threads without taking off your socks.
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Originally by: Dalketh
By the way "clearer" isn't a word so I would avoid calling other people stupid.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 04/07/2011 06:42:03
Originally by: Xavender
I don't know why one would say 'nothing has changed' poste-Incarna.
How about the thousands of plays that are unable to logon now?
How about the players with high end machines crashing?
And overheated GPU's?
Is that 'nothing'?
And all of the bugs and defects resurfacing?
I dont know anyone with issues, the only issue i have with incarna is the missing ship spinning and that i need to stare at a door. My gfx remains pretty cool.
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How about the thousands of plays that are unable to logon now?
Buy a new GFX, dump that ancient piece of ****. How high was the change such an ancient thing survives for that long? Even my very old NVidia GT 8800 had shader model 4.0!
My system is far from a high end machine and i run 3 accounts without any issues.
so yes, gameplay wise nothing has changed,
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Xavender on 04/07/2011 06:42:54
So you think everyone in IT has the latest machines? You obviously haven't worked in any large companies. Older machines are a way of life.
Not so...and the world economy tanked so not everyone can afford it either.
But a rich mommas boy wouldn't know that since everything is provided you including the silver spoon.
For those of us without silver spoons - well - we make do and use equipment that seems perfectly good until it is really no longer useful.
I am saying that Eve was playable on 2011-06-20 and became un-playable on 2011-06-21 with Incarna release. For many this was/is true.
An Eve Cloned based on legacy version would allow the small segment of impacted playerbase to continue to enjoy an older version of Eve.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:46:00 -
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So you think everyone in IT has the latest machines? You obviously haven't worked in any large companies. Older machines are a way of life. Not so...and the world economy tanked so not everyone can afford it either. But a rich mommas boy wouldn't know that since everything is provided you including the silver spoon. For those of us without silver spoons - well - we make do and use equipment that seems perfectly good until it is really no longer useful.
Shader model 2.0 cards are no longer usefull.
Btw, what a poor idiot of an IT guy are you if you talk about not being able to afford a 30$ grafics card. You dont need to be mommies boy, you dont need to be rich, you just have to work for 3-5 hours (maybe more, maybe less).
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender
Edited by: Xavender on 04/07/2011 06:42:54
So you think everyone in IT has the latest machines? You obviously haven't worked in any large companies. Older machines are a way of life.
Not so...and the world economy tanked so not everyone can afford it either.
But a rich mommas boy wouldn't know that since everything is provided you including the silver spoon.
For those of us without silver spoons - well - we make do and use equipment that seems perfectly good until it is really no longer useful.
I am saying that Eve was playable on 2011-06-20 and became un-playable on 2011-06-21 with Incarna release. For many this was/is true.
An Eve Cloned based on legacy version would allow the small segment of impacted playerbase to continue to enjoy an older version of Eve.
The first question I ask prospective employees wanting to join my team is: Tell me about your computers at home?
Needless to say, you wouldn't get a job.
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Needless to say, you wouldn't get a job.
It's your fault he can't afford a graphics card. Or a silver spoon.
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Originally by: Dalketh
By the way "clearer" isn't a word so I would avoid calling other people stupid.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kez Aumer
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Needless to say, you wouldn't get a job.
It's your fault he can't afford a graphics card. Or a silver spoon.
Or a monocle, apparently.
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Lang'fin Ger
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:59:00 -
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Thats what you get when you are mining for 5+ years
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Kirkland Langue
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:00:00 -
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While I could easily see an IT person using an XP machine, especially at a larger company (that is, if your a low level IT person who does desktop support for a network consisting of XP machines) - you aren't likely to draw a lot of new customers if you are going to be modifying the EVE code such that it will run smoothly on such older equipment. Heck, I can't picture you even wanting to compile their server-side software on such a machine.
I'm leaving EVE, at least for the forseeable future, so I would love to see a straight-up competitor appear.. but your strategy sounds unlikely to succeed.
Good luck though.
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:01:00 -
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I have this to say about that...and what kind of idiot would dump another $5 into an old machine?
And from all the forum posts a high end machine is now required to run Eve so a replacement is more like $1000 and not $30 - do the math buddy.
I was able to run four concurrent accounts on older hardware prior to Incarna. Now I cannot even logon to one account.
And from the raging forum posts - look past your navel and do some forum browsing - many people are saying the poste-Incarna release is crashing their new machines - quads with Crossfire, 8Gig ram and so on.
So I need to spend $2000 on two machines now to be able to play four accounts on Eve?
Its not in my budget and there is no point playing just one account in my opinion.
And the point is the game worked just fine prior to Incarna in terms of my enjoyment of it anyway.
But like I say - it is my last day so I may as well get something out of my account expenditure and stir the forums pot. I am sure for all those who love Incarna it will be a great experience.
My mistress has departed for a dude with a monocle and designer spaceships.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender
My mistress has departed for a dude with a monocle and designer spaceships.
I get this a lot.
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ThisIsntMyMain
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender
My team will only patch and fix all (all means ALL) the existing errors and defects in CCP cloned codebase and database server codes - no problem.
Eve Cloned will be running smoothly and will easily support the 1000+ player battles, return support for legacy PC's and new PC's (russians and others on a budget and those having overheated GPU's will be happy again).
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
draws breath
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
So you'll fix every single bug, invest 10's of thousands into the required server and network infrastructure, pay hundreds of support people and have flawless 1000 player PvP?
I'm in I can't possibly imagine why CCP haven't done this.
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender
I have this to say about that...and what kind of idiot would dump another $5 into an old machine?
Originally by: Xavender
Older machines are a way of life.
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Originally by: Dalketh
By the way "clearer" isn't a word so I would avoid calling other people stupid.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:06:00 -
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And from all the forum posts a high end machine is now required to run Eve so a replacement is more like $1000 and not $30 - do the math buddy.
Oh damn, so i need to send my GFX back because it isnt pricey enough to run my 3 clients?
Your logic .. it has none!
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:18:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
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And from all the forum posts a high end machine is now required to run Eve so a replacement is more like $1000 and not $30 - do the math buddy.
Oh damn, so i need to send my GFX back because it isnt pricey enough to run my 3 clients?
Your logic .. it has none!
I can run 4 clients on my 4 year old computer.
And i do not think that if your display card melts on use it is not programs fault on anyway. It is about card who try to do more it really can so card manufacturer has sold you some false promises.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:24:00 -
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You have a horrible business sense.
If your idea was even remotely possible, CCP would be doing it themselves, and wouldn't need a "cut" of anything you would give them.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:33:00 -
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Instead of spending $30 on your current machine, you find the more intelligent solution would be to sink a few hundred grand into the infrastructure necessary to run an imaginary EVE clone...
I think I would instead suggest you bone up on some decent trouble shooting skills first, and worry about the rest of it a few years from now when you're done.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:39:00 -
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I've tried a couple Eve freeshards as well as SWG pre-nge freeshards
They are a lot of fun.
Freeshards exist for just about all the popular mmo's but the paid servers have better servers and content usually.
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Tarak Muritar
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:42:00 -
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What skills do you have at fixing bugs? What skills and knowledge do you have in Eve code? How many servers will you have to run Eve cloned? How will you be able to advance and evolve Eve?
Personally, I think your dreaming....
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Sirion Fujiwara
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:44:00 -
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Anyone who seriously think the OP is for real and not being SARCASTIC, honestly has *s h i t* for brains!
If you don't have a brain - don't post!! 
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Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:46:00 -
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Well, if for some magical reason allowed CCP this to happen I would be willing to invest in it top dollah out of my own pocket to be one of the shareholders in the company, and I know about 3 to 10 guys that could given a proper business plan invest up to 100k each here in Panama, since the Tech exists here in the Country or we could check out the booming IT business in Costa Rica. If you can lay it out in a properly modeled business plan I can get you investors within a 1 year timeframe for long term commitment, thing is need the project in rock solid form and easy to check backgrounds from you. Copyright infringements here are muddy and depend solely on how much you can bribe the judge and by which medium too haha  You could even alter eve to be called EVA and change the races name to make it sound completely different and alter some of the code and voila, you could even copyright it. Latinamerica is like that, Nintendo was copyrighted to an individual here for years instead of the real company  , So many loopholes, but well, this is just dreaming.
On the same line I know A LOT of people that would also log on that server regularly. And no I'm not kidding, Panama is Investor's heaven and you can get solid financial backing from Banks and private entities if you lay out a real non scammy business prop. Can't say anything more but if you really that serious we can discuss this further somewhere else.
If it's just an angst ridden post, I feel you man, I feel the same with current CCP business practices, there's so much money to be made off it and they taking the cheap route tsk tsk.
Also I honestly believe CCP would never do that, since it would be further fracturing their current userbase, but I hope I can see pirate shards of the game around, the appeal of subbing yearly to them is not that strong right now in me anyway, right now I'm just waiting to see if their "promises" turn out to be real and can have some sort of "ship spinning" non Incarna enabled environment back like it was before. I really give a crap about them selling monocles for 1million dollars for all I care, but I miss the streamlined experience of the old EVE during docking.
Anyway if you ever come here and want to learn about the gorgeous business opportunities in this wonderful country contact me
---Eve is not dying, its being murdered ----
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Scorpionidae
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:47:00 -
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Why oh why are ppl leaving because of Incarna? I just don't understand... It doesn't affect the game at all!
Please contract all your stuff to me and send me al of your isk as well plz and thank you.
Scorpionidae
I found the signature!!!!! |
Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:48:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Sirion Fujiwara
Anyone who seriously think the OP is for real and not being SARCASTIC, honestly has *s h i t* for brains!
If you don't have a brain - don't post!!
With enough money, everything can be turned into a profitable venture specially in Latinamerica, the Eastern Europe of the American Continent har har har
---Eve is not dying, its being murdered ----
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Skyla Kavatina
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:49:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Xavender
And from the raging forum posts - look past your navel and do some forum browsing - many people are saying the poste-Incarna release is crashing their new machines - quads with Crossfire, 8Gig ram and so on.
So I need to spend $2000 on two machines now to be able to play four accounts on Eve?
I run 3 clients on a rig I put together 3 years (Q9650 Quad CPU, 6GB RAM and 2xHD3870) ago but it works fine. OK CQ is a bit slow but off station I get 60fps on each client no problem with max setting (AA is off because I run in windowed mode). I may invest in new graphics cards sometime down the line but it's not a priority yet.
BTW I don't have any problems with crashing and both cards run at about 65degC which ain't bad for fanless cards having a single 120mm fan blowing air over them.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:51:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Sirion Fujiwara
Anyone who seriously think the OP is for real and not being SARCASTIC, honestly has *s h i t* for brains!
If you don't have a brain - don't post!!
Relax, there is no harm in letting him feel warm and fuzzy on his last day.
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drendell
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:03:00 -
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And so xavender can wait he knows it to late as where walking on by,
his soul slides away
but dont look back in anger i heard you say.
there you go now off with you.
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Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:15:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Zagdul on 04/07/2011 08:15:29
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
The first question I ask prospective employees wanting to join my team is: Tell me about your computers at home?
Needless to say, you wouldn't get a job.
I'm bored.
My server in the other room (door closed cause this bad boy is loud) is an old school Compaq Proliant CL380 dual node box that sits on the floor.
Node 1 = 2x PIII 800EB 1gb (4x 256) infinion ECC PC 133 old build of debian 5.3 or something. This runs a firewall and a couple game servers.
Node 2 = same hardware but this one runs Windows Server 2003. I use this box to run a local exchange server and do some ASP stuff. I also have a few game servers on this one which don't run in linux.
PC1 in Den (guest/web browsin' puter)= AMD Athalon 3200+ Barton with 2gb of PC 3200 CL2-2-2-5 Corsair running windows XP and an ATI 9800 pro.
PC2 in Den (media PC)= AMD Athalon 3500+ (crappy) with 2gb of PC 3200 CL2-2-2-5 PNQY turbo series running Windows 7 ultimate and a 6800 ultra 512.
PC3 in office = AMD X2 6000 with a 8800 GT + 4GB of RAM Windows 7 64 ultimate.
PC4 (one I game on) = AMDx4 944 BE with 8 GB corsair XMS 1066 128GB SSD + nVidia 9800 GT.
I gotta upgrade my graphics card, but it gets the job done.
all smart buys.
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impli
Singularity.
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:31:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Zagdul
Edited by: Zagdul on 04/07/2011 08:15:29
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
The first question I ask prospective employees wanting to join my team is: Tell me about your computers at home?
Needless to say, you wouldn't get a job.
I'm bored.
My server in the other room (door closed cause this bad boy is loud) is an old school Compaq Proliant CL380 dual node box that sits on the floor.
Node 1 = 2x PIII 800EB 1gb (4x 256) infinion ECC PC 133 old build of debian 5.3 or something. This runs a firewall and a couple game servers.
Node 2 = same hardware but this one runs Windows Server 2003. I use this box to run a local exchange server and do some ASP stuff. I also have a few game servers on this one which don't run in linux.
PC1 in Den (guest/web browsin' puter)= AMD Athalon 3200+ Barton with 2gb of PC 3200 CL2-2-2-5 Corsair running windows XP and an ATI 9800 pro.
PC2 in Den (media PC)= AMD Athalon 3500+ (crappy) with 2gb of PC 3200 CL2-2-2-5 PNQY turbo series running Windows 7 ultimate and a 6800 ultra 512.
PC3 in office = AMD X2 6000 with a 8800 GT + 4GB of RAM Windows 7 64 ultimate.
PC4 (one I game on) = AMDx4 944 BE with 8 GB corsair XMS 1066 128GB SSD + nVidia 9800 GT.
I gotta upgrade my graphics card, but it gets the job done.
all smart buys.
Wohooo... Cl380 :) And who is paying you bills ? This CL is quite uneffective in matters of load and power consumption. And btw run a eve clone cluster you need more then two clustered G1 DL380 blub0r server.
Again EVE-cloning only to get the ****ed player from eve is really robin hood like but think about it.
Whats with the old player base that doesn't like incursion or Dominion ? ;)
:D
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Michelear
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:32:00 -
[43]
Have fun being in New Eden with 5 other people! Those lowsec roams are gonna be a blast!
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:37:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Michelear
Have fun being in New Eden with 5 other people! Those lowsec roams are gonna be a blast!
One might even say... 'It's gonna be awesome'? 
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Originally by: Dalketh
By the way "clearer" isn't a word so I would avoid calling other people stupid.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:37:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Michelear
Have fun being in New Eden with 5 other people! Those lowsec roams are gonna be a blast!
Anyone wanna run an incursion? Or maybe a wormhole thingie to get some T3s seeded?
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:39:00 -
[46]
I would pay to play EvE pre-Incr4pper, I would pay double, but, you can't roll back the rock of time!
Good luck with your proposal & fly safe in real life
I have 9 days left 
doesn't really matter a fvck tho, I never log in now, it's just bad. GJ CCP
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:42:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Michelear
Have fun being in New Eden with 5 other people! Those lowsec roams are gonna be a blast!
A pre Incarna server would have more than 5 people & you can take that to the bank.
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Michelear
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:42:00 -
[48]
Originally by: San Severina
Originally by: Michelear
Have fun being in New Eden with 5 other people! Those lowsec roams are gonna be a blast!
A pre Incarna server would have more than 5 people & you can take that to the bank.
Okay, 25. Still sucks. Have fun!
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Memorya
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:49:00 -
[49]
EVE private servers are coming. If you like it or not. They have multicore support (CCP has single core, noobs). Network framework is 10x beter then ccp's ones (lol at that).
Regarding legalty of private "EVE online". If server is put online for free, CCP can do crap about it.
So ye, CCP gives a **** about you and only wants you'r $$$ (cold and real truth) to sponsor WOD and dust 514, while eve slowly but surely dies.
(this is my main and i dont need to hide behind pathetic alt's).
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Crashys
Zeus Consortium
SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2011.07.04 09:33:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Memorya
EVE private servers are coming. If you like it or not. They have multicore support (CCP has single core, noobs). Network framework is 10x beter then ccp's ones (lol at that).
Regarding legalty of private "EVE online". If server is put online for free, CCP can do crap about it.
So ye, CCP gives a **** about you and only wants you'r $$$ (cold and real truth) to sponsor WOD and dust 514, while eve slowly but surely dies.
(this is my main and i dont need to hide behind pathetic alt's).
<- Main.
I agree on your post... EvE is dying but in my opinion is not due to hardware limitations but on the constant change of game rules... this new null sec security status that lowers the anomalies quality is really pathetic.
CCP want to take people out of empire to low/null sec... but in most of the cases the profit is now in Empire and members are leaving from dangerous low/null to empire...
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Dorvab Arnst
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Posted - 2011.07.04 09:46:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Xavender
TL;DR
Yeah, since they have you name, address, billing details. You think you are gonna start up a EVE server, on your own and not have the local authorities knocking on your door in short order?
Jeez, you're an even bigger noob than I am.
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JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.07.04 10:32:00 -
[52]
Edited by: JMERCENARY on 04/07/2011 10:34:25
Edited by: JMERCENARY on 04/07/2011 10:33:17
Originally by: Xavender
last day on account last day on Eve - but an offer to make:
Eve Cloned - gain non-exclusive to Eve codebase from CCP and revive pre-Incarna Eve as seperate company. Read on...
I am an IT person w/ expertise in large networked systems and enterprise database - heart of Eve technology besides the stackless client.
I would like to make CCP an offer for a non-exclusive right to stand up an Eve Cloned MMO using their existing archived codebase and database schema up through Incursion last patch.
I know I could pick up 10,000 subscribers on week 1 and grow from there.
I would also like an option to import all of the player existing database data so everyone can start from where they were a month ago - pre Incarna.
I will setup a better team to do all game and customer support - and actually provide improved support. With a game as complex as Eve I will increase the support request petition count per player to fifty instead of two.
I will not add any new features for a long time TBD. I may remove a few things like BOTs and players that do nothing but sit in trade hubs and spam. But I would let the community vote and honor the community majority position on all controversial issues.
My team will only patch and fix all (all means ALL) the existing errors and defects in CCP cloned codebase and database server codes - no problem.
Eve Cloned will be running smoothly and will easily support the 1000+ player battles, return support for legacy PC's and new PC's (russians and others on a budget and those having overheated GPU's will be happy again).
Acceptance of my offer would make Eve Cloned experience an intense fun PVP PVE experience that everyone playing the game has come to love and enjoy.
It was disapopointing to see the unique Eve experience clobbered by the poor code of Incarna and the worse decision making of some.
So there it is - I offer a royalty payment back to CCP, keep the same game rates and ISK PLEX exchange intact.
What do you think? Join in support for the New - Eve Cloned...
Congradulations to a player that wants to free the rest of us from the clutches of CCP.
I see the build up of a New Momentum.
We like EVE but we don't have to like CCP too.
OP don't pay attention to trolls.
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Bubbles Udan
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Posted - 2011.07.04 10:34:00 -
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I doubt the OP even has the finances to run an eve cluster.
This isn't something you can do out of your parent's basement y'all.
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.04 10:39:00 -
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So, basically, a server for people afraid of change and forward motion?
And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK. |
Dorvab Arnst
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Posted - 2011.07.04 10:40:00 -
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Eve Online runs on one of the top 100 Supercomputers on the planet, so unless the OP happens to have Deep Blue laying around his house, I doubt he will be running EVE Online in any shape of form that would be satisfactory.
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Velios
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.07.04 10:45:00 -
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Somebody call the men in white coats. This guy is positively mad and deluded. |
Jason Marshall
Gallente
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
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Posted - 2011.07.04 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Brujo Loco
Well, if for some magical reason allowed CCP this to happen I would be willing to invest in it top dollah out of my own pocket to be one of the shareholders in the company, and I know about 3 to 10 guys that could given a proper business plan invest up to 100k each here in Panama, since the Tech exists here in the Country or we could check out the booming IT business in Costa Rica. If you can lay it out in a properly modeled business plan I can get you investors within a 1 year timeframe for long term commitment, thing is need the project in rock solid form and easy to check backgrounds from you. Copyright infringements here are muddy and depend solely on how much you can bribe the judge and by which medium too haha You could even alter eve to be called EVA and change the races name to make it sound completely different and alter some of the code and voila, you could even copyright it. Latinamerica is like that, Nintendo was copyrighted to an individual here for years instead of the real company , So many loopholes, but well, this is just dreaming.
On the same line I know A LOT of people that would also log on that server regularly. And no I'm not kidding, Panama is Investor's heaven and you can get solid financial backing from Banks and private entities if you lay out a real non scammy business prop. Can't say anything more but if you really that serious we can discuss this further somewhere else.
If it's just an angst ridden post, I feel you man, I feel the same with current CCP business practices, there's so much money to be made off it and they taking the cheap route tsk tsk.
Also I honestly believe CCP would never do that, since it would be further fracturing their current userbase, but I hope I can see pirate shards of the game around, the appeal of subbing yearly to them is not that strong right now in me anyway, right now I'm just waiting to see if their "promises" turn out to be real and can have some sort of "ship spinning" non Incarna enabled environment back like it was before. I really give a crap about them selling monocles for 1million dollars for all I care, but I miss the streamlined experience of the old EVE during docking.
Anyway if you ever come here and want to learn about the gorgeous business opportunities in this wonderful country contact me
All the money in Panama is from Drug Smuggling, Maritime Transportation, and their respective support industries. So, anyone involved with the project from the US at least would get swallowed up into a RICO Case/V& by the DEA.
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JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.07.04 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
Eve Online runs on one of the top 100 Supercomputers on the planet, so unless the OP happens to have Deep Blue laying around his house, I doubt he will be running EVE Online in any shape of form that would be satisfactory.
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JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.07.04 10:55:00 -
[59]
Edited by: JMERCENARY on 04/07/2011 10:55:10
Originally by: Dante Marcellus
So, basically, a server for people afraid of change and forward motion?
A server for people with a vision.
To boldly go where CCP is afraid to. |
Dorvab Arnst
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Posted - 2011.07.04 10:56:00 -
[60]
Originally by: JMERCENARY
Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
Eve Online runs on one of the top 100 Supercomputers on the planet, so unless the OP happens to have Deep Blue laying around his house, I doubt he will be running EVE Online in any shape of form that would be satisfactory.
CCP propaganda.
Sure it is.... 
Yer funny.
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Ozmodan
Minmatar
Massively Mob
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:00:00 -
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Players come and go in Eve. Change is inevitable, if you are so inflexible to not be able to adjust to changes in a simple game, you probably have a lot more serious issues to work on.
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dodixiehereicome
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
Originally by: JMERCENARY
Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
Eve Online runs on one of the top 100 Supercomputers on the planet, so unless the OP happens to have Deep Blue laying around his house, I doubt he will be running EVE Online in any shape of form that would be satisfactory.
CCP propaganda.
Sure it is....
Yer funny.
It's not even in the top 500. Unless you mean videogame supercomputers and I doubt there's much competition there.
http://top500.org/list/2011/06/100
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Dorvab Arnst
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: dodixiehereicome
Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
Originally by: JMERCENARY
Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
Eve Online runs on one of the top 100 Supercomputers on the planet, so unless the OP happens to have Deep Blue laying around his house, I doubt he will be running EVE Online in any shape of form that would be satisfactory.
CCP propaganda.
Sure it is....
Yer funny.
It's not even in the top 500. Unless you mean videogame supercomputers and I doubt there's much competition there.
http://top500.org/list/2011/06/100
Well, you go away and try to run even on a home server and you will find out. You need a super computer to run eve. Its that simple. You arent gonna run it from a couple of server racks with a few quad core processors.
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JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
Sure it is....
Yer funny.
There you go..
Uninformed player... |
dodixiehereicome
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:13:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
Well, you go away and try to run even on a home server and you will find out. You need a super computer to run eve. Its that simple. You arent gonna run it from a couple of server racks with a few quad core processors.
I never said it didn't run on a supercomputer just that it's far from being in the top 100. You could probably run eve for the 5 people that would quit for a cloned eve on a single blade though.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=769
I do wonder where it would place though on a list big enough.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:15:00 -
[66]
0/10 |
Dorvab Arnst
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:23:00 -
[67]
Originally by: dodixiehereicome
Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
Well, you go away and try to run even on a home server and you will find out. You need a super computer to run eve. Its that simple. You arent gonna run it from a couple of server racks with a few quad core processors.
I never said it didn't run on a supercomputer just that it's far from being in the top 100. You could probably run eve for the 5 people that would quit for a cloned eve on a single blade though.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=769
I do wonder where it would place though on a list big enough.
In all honesty, I dont think they ever tested it, but they were offered. The reason it was never tested is because it would have to go through about a week of benchmarking tests...which means no eve for a week. Im sure it would top the top 100 though. If each system is a node and each node is a dedicated CPU/core, then thats what...around 5000cores? That puts it up to the standard of some of the computers in the top 100.
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dodixiehereicome
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
In all honesty, I dont think they ever tested it, but they were offered. The reason it was never tested is because it would have to go through about a week of benchmarking tests...which means no eve for a week. Im sure it would top the top 100 though. If each system is a node and each node is a dedicated CPU/core, then thats what...around 5000cores? That puts it up to the standard of some of the computers in the top 100.
Looking at http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=769 I'm counting 268 cores (CCP Yokai says - 280 total Cores) but it's not all about the amount of cores. Perhaps CCP can start usings GPUs/Cells for fight calculations 
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Dorvab Arnst
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:43:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Dorvab Arnst on 04/07/2011 11:43:46
Originally by: dodixiehereicome
Edited by: dodixiehereicome on 04/07/2011 11:39:58
Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
In all honesty, I dont think they ever tested it, but they were offered. The reason it was never tested is because it would have to go through about a week of benchmarking tests...which means no eve for a week. Im sure it would top the top 100 though. If each system is a node and each node is a dedicated CPU/core, then thats what...around 5000cores? That puts it up to the standard of some of the computers in the top 100.
Looking at http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=769 I'm counting 268 cores (CCP Yokai says - 280 total Cores) but it's not all about the amount of cores. Perhaps CCP can start usings GPUs/Cells for fight calculations
Edit: On the bolded part - you're trying to troll right? :<
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tranquility#Sol_Layer
Multiple nodes run on a single core empty systems don't take up a lot of resources at all.
No, not trying to troll. Just mudling through things. Its my first month in eve and Im rather excited about it to be honest. And you really do surprise me with all this being run on Just 280 Cores. They should really think about upping that number.
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dodixiehereicome
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst
They should really think about upping that number.
Why? Everything works fine until you try to cram thousands of people into a single system.
Quote:
The new space is a whopping 79kW of power across 12 cabinets
This does seem to be a lot of power for such a small amount of hardware though.
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Zel Nughat
Amarr
Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:55:00 -
[71]
This has to be the stupidest post I've ever read in these forums.
First, though I'm one of those not happy with the lack of hangar first, still on my ship, lets spin it shall we??, this dosn't mean I'm going to agree to jump to another game, because for the most part EVE is still what it was a couple of weeks ago.
Second, as some convoluted way of trolling, this fails miserably, I mean, this is the best you could come up with?? seriously?? roflmao
Third, OMG, dude, their codebase *and* a snapshot of the user database, man, next time you should ask for their bank account, you'll be luckier.
And thats that, I felt compelled to write this crap, monday morning must be... xDDDD
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provitamin
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Posted - 2011.07.04 11:57:00 -
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Each EVE solar system has own node iirc.
How much systems EVE has?
How many terminals/endpoints would be needed?
Connection of how many gigabits you would need to have - tranzit and synchronous ofc (and not within one country/continent)?
Next to superb peering into all major backbone networks in the world to provide same conditions for all.
Some insane cluster solution with separated login, auth and d-base.
Gigantic NAS/SAN to store all the backups.
On one blade with standard telehouse connection you can run max one EVE solar system without anyone login in.
And ofc compatibility issues since i bet CCP's solution aint running no Windows, Linux or BSD but some UNIX like custom ****.
Just saying.
But the core idea aint bad
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm
Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.07.04 12:13:00 -
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It wouldn't be too hard to create a basic Elite/EvE like game. I think about 18 months should suffice.
BBQ makes me hungry for more... |
Coeus Enderas
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.04 12:18:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Xavender
I have this to say about that...and what kind of idiot would dump another $5 into an old machine?
And from all the forum posts a high end machine is now required to run Eve so a replacement is more like $1000 and not $30 - do the math buddy.
I was able to run four concurrent accounts on older hardware prior to Incarna. Now I cannot even logon to one account.
And from the raging forum posts - look past your navel and do some forum browsing - many people are saying the poste-Incarna release is crashing their new machines - quads with Crossfire, 8Gig ram and so on.
So I need to spend $2000 on two machines now to be able to play four accounts on Eve?
Its not in my budget and there is no point playing just one account in my opinion.
And the point is the game worked just fine prior to Incarna in terms of my enjoyment of it anyway.
But like I say - it is my last day so I may as well get something out of my account expenditure and stir the forums pot. I am sure for all those who love Incarna it will be a great experience.
My mistress has departed for a dude with a monocle and designer spaceships.
you said you are an IT person, and that you worked for a large company, and i know they pay you more that 24K a year (find a new job if they don't). unless you are attempting to live outside your means, or your lying about current employment, or im lying because i misread, you can EASILY afford a new 100-200 dollar graphics card, like lets say an Nvidia 460 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121390&cm_re=460-_-14-121-390-_-Product) it even comes with a rebate making it less than $120 before tax. so yea, your not gaining sympathy for having an old outdated sack of **** GPU.
either stop spending money on **** you think you need but dont, or get ready to get left behind. CCP cant keep a competitive product updated for todays players and still have it run on computers from 10 years ago. sacrifices have to be made.
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Om Maniu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.04 12:23:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Xavender
I know I could pick up 10,000 subscribers on week 1 and grow from there.
Whatever, you've nothing to back this up.
Pro Tip: Do proper research/analysis to learn what your talking about & put a proper business plan together.
You may also need to do some research on how to submit business proposals because posting on forums like these is not how to do it.
Oh and btw, can I have your stuff? :)
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.07.04 12:29:00 -
[76]
My threads got deleted for less than this, where are you Wrangler :P
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Illuzian Archasse
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Posted - 2011.07.04 13:38:00 -
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10/10
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.07.04 13:41:00 -
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I like the idea, but you're going to have to wait until Eve shuts it's doors. Check out what they did with Earth and Beyond.
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Milken Gekko
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Posted - 2011.07.04 13:44:00 -
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I smell CCP trying to find out any infos about who is running that other eve that don't exist... <
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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:50:00 -
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Well this thread was interesting for a while but it has run its course.
Naturally, the IP for EVE Online belongs to CCP and clone servers or servers run outside of CCP authorization would not be permitted.
Navigator
Lead Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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