Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Did I miss any?

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Originally by: San Severina

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AkJon, you speak 100% for me, only you say it better.

i agree 100% with this thread, time will tell how this ends up, but it was disappointing to see the community so easily pacified, admittedly a lot of the more vocal & articulate critics have been silenced by bans, subs running out or just sheer loss of interest.

I too will be gone soon, I almost hope you keep paying & playing to represent me and many more like me within the game & here on these boards.

Players deserve to hear the full story, and the opposing voices, sadly, are disappearing, leaving Mono***s & fanbois/ALTS to run amok.

Never forget EvE Players, this patch cost the Community a lot of great players & in a game like EvE the community is everything, this is unacceptable IMO, especially when it all could have been avoided if CCP didn't have their heads buried so far up their -you know what!-

Cheers to you AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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What do you believe the protest was attempting to do, Ferguson?

Because I believe it succeeded.

The purpose was to shine a negative light on CCP's actions and force them into a broad public action that the entire gaming world could see.

It did that spectacularly, and regardless of their true intentions if they back out of their promises now they have this ten minute long video showcasing their treachery for all time.

This would be far more damaging then any protest, so all in all... yea, the protest worked perfectly.

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Originally by: Mynex

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The #1 concern was non-vanity micro transactions. We have been told they are not happening. We got what we(most people who were complaining) wanted. If CCP go back on this there will be mass cancellations and flaming again. But for now we got what we wanted so lets enjoy the game?

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Originally by: Raikov Vanskenski

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I don't often feel the need to call someone out for being an idiot, but given the nature of the OP's post, I feel the need to do so here.

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: baltec1

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It stopped because the bulk of us didnt want none vanity items. CCP has now said the will not go down that road so we are happy again.

Its as simple as that.

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Originally by: San Severina

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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What do you believe the protest was attempting to do, Ferguson?

Because I believe it succeeded.

The purpose was to shine a negative light on CCP's actions and force them into a broad public action that the entire gaming world could see.

It did that spectacularly, and regardless of their true intentions if they back out of their promises now they have this ten minute long video showcasing their treachery for all time.

This would be far more damaging then any protest, so all in all... yea, the protest worked perfectly.

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We do still have the public statements & Dev Blogs from a year ago telling us EvE was never going down the MT road.

So, I put little weight in the message of the statement or the Vid. We all know what CCP are capable of & how they will justify whatever they decide to do regardless of past promises.

However, i do agree with you that the outcry was not a total failure, it just wasn't the success i would have liked to see.

IMO the statement should have caused further outcry & forced CCP into a much clearer & more specific statement regarding the future of EvE, as it stands a lot of issues weren't even addressed in the statement we have now & they have dropped off the radar except for a small number of players risking all kinds of insults to try to keep them alive here. And that number of players is ever decreasing as subs run out.

I believe CCP is treating this community with total contempt & Hilmar's email confirms this, ultimately it's up to every individual player to make that judgement for themselves, what I don't like to see though is players deliberately turning a blind eye to the issues because they fear having to quit the game, that is weak & it's CCP's edge & they are using it to it's full extent.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: baltec1

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It stopped because the bulk of us didnt want none vanity items. CCP has now said the will not go down that road so we are happy again.

Its as simple as that.

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No, they didn't. And no, it's not.

I think it's fair to say that if Incarna had been released with the option to dock-to-hangar, had included a greater variety of prices in the MT store, and had included a commitment from CCP to never sell non-vanity items or convenience or functionality EVER, it would have still been the worst 'expansion' of all time.

So no, after stalling for over a week, (and jeopardizing the mental and physical health and well-being of poor White Tree,) a toothless statement that we have no plans to sell non-vanity items in our vanity items store (which is precisely what the statement says) doesn't cut it.

"It is CCPæs plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."

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Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction

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I disagree with #7

Perpetuum online- I've been playing it since last week, and to be perfectly honest, I like better than eve.

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: Merouk Baas

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The "problems the players had" are still there, are they not?

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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People who demonstrated are now unsubscribed and no longer able to post.

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Originally by: Darik Jita

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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I stand with the CSM in principle, but your response, Ms. Tree, displays poor impulse control. Politicians don't ***** at their constituents (assuming they want to enjoy continued popular support).

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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(...)
CCP removes Aurum from the game
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Did I miss any?

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Hopefully we can agree on those facts. Now here's what winning looks like (from my perspective:)

CCP commits permanently to making Incarna optional.

CCP commits permanently to keeping $ for GTC for PLEX the only MT in the game.

CCP removes Aurum from the game.

CCP agrees that since we have paid for 2 expansions per year with our inflated monthly subscription, and since this expansion is all about Spaceship Barbies, that they will allow us to play dressup with our Spaceship Barbies for 'free' (since we've already paid for it with our inflated monthly subscription.)

CCP acknowledges that Hilmar's idea to gouge players because he saw a slideshow on the Internets about gouging players in a F2P game doesn't work in the industry's most expensive subscription-based MMO.

CCP restores adequate funding to EVE development (Internet Spaceships.)

CCP regains the respect and trust of its playerbase, and goes on to great financial success from its 2 new games, which can operate on whatever financial model Hilmar dreams up because they are new games with no established precedents/understandings.

That's what winning would look like (more or less). It's a little rough, but give me a week to fly to Iceland and I'd polish it up a bit.

Or just get me drunk and tell me you have no plans to sell non-vanity items in your vanity items store. I'm good with that.

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Originally by: Milken Gekko

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about...

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That is so ****ing stupid... Nobody forced you to be a part of that...
Also, why on earth would anyone have to go through all that to attend a meaningless meeting is beyond me...

Ever heard about video conferencing ?! Maybe look into that and integrate it into your ****ing monocles !

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Quote:

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put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests

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Originally by: San Severina

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AkJon, you speak 100% for me, only you say it better.
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Never forget EvE Players, this patch cost the Community a lot of great players & in a game like EvE the community is everything, this is unacceptable IMO, especially when it all could have been avoided if CCP didn't have their heads buried so far up their -you know what!-

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Did I miss any?

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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This thread was supposed to be about WHY we lost, but given the (surprisingly?) high degree of controversy over WHETHER we lost, I suppose I should explain what winning would have looked like. Let's see if we can agree on a few facts:

For the last 8 years, EVE has been a sandbox game about Internet Spaceships and a player-driven economy with a steep learning curve and requiring a long time investment from its players/customers.

EVE has always run on low-end computers. Even by players running multiple accounts, a practice which has been encouraged in both game development and marketing by its developer, CCP games.

It has an incredible community that pays a high monthly subscription, with the average long-term player paying $50 per month or so (to support the multiple accounts I mentioned earlier.) In exchange for that high monthly subscription, EVE has traditionally offered 2 'free' expansions per year.

EVE has been and continues to be immensely profitable for its developer, CCP Games, which refers internally to EVE as its 'Golden Goose.'

Recent patches and expansions have left countless bugs, exploits, imbalances and unfinished features. EVE (Internet Spaceships) is in a state of utter neglect.

The last patch fried/overheated the video cards of a significant percentage of its customers and makes the game unplayable in multibox mode for a significantly higher percentage of its customers.

CCP Games devotes grossly inadequate financial/development resources to EVE (Internet Spaceships,) focusing instead solely on its 2 new games in development. What few resources it does devote to EVE (Internet Spaceships) are being allocated by someone who has expressed enthusiasm about breaking in-game functionality and selling it back to the players through microtransactions.

Hopefully we can agree on those facts. Now here's what winning looks like (from my perspective:)

CCP commits permanently to making Incarna optional.

CCP commits permanently to keeping $ for GTC for PLEX the only MT in the game.

CCP removes Aurum from the game.

CCP agrees that since we have paid for 2 expansions per year with our inflated monthly subscription, and since this expansion is all about Spaceship Barbies, that they will allow us to play dressup with our Spaceship Barbies for 'free' (since we've already paid for it with our inflated monthly subscription.)

CCP acknowledges that Hilmar's idea to gouge players because he saw a slideshow on the Internets about gouging players in a F2P game doesn't work in the industry's most expensive subscription-based MMO.

CCP restores adequate funding to EVE development (Internet Spaceships.)

CCP regains the respect and trust of its playerbase, and goes on to great financial success from its 2 new games, which can operate on whatever financial model Hilmar dreams up because they are new games with no established precedents/understandings.

That's what winning would look like (more or less). It's a little rough, but give me a week to fly to Iceland and I'd polish it up a bit.

Or just get me drunk and tell me you have no plans to sell non-vanity items in your vanity items store. I'm good with that.

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Originally by: Ianus

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Originally by: Milken Gekko

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about...

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That is so ****ing stupid... Nobody forced you to be a part of that...
Also, why on earth would anyone have to go through all that to attend a meaningless meeting is beyond me...

Ever heard about video conferencing ?! Maybe look into that and integrate it into your ****ing monocles !

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Originally by: San Severina

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honestly AkJon, I wish you were on the CSM, maybe make White Tree an offer, since S/He is obviously not interested in anything the players want & doing the Job is a risk to his/her health & a massive inconvenience to boot.

I'll be giving all my remaining ISK to you before the 14th, maybe you can put it towards a plex & keep fighting the good fight for me & many others like me.

I agree 100% with everything I've read of yours -100%.

CSM maybe 5% & this mess is partly their fault anyway for not being Men instead of trembling boys in front of the mighty CCP.

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Originally by: Haulie Berry

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Oh, for ****'s sake - you took an all-expenses paid trip to Iceland to meekly suggest to CCP that they should maybe consider making a vague and entirely non-committal statement to appease the angry mob. Please climb down off that cross.

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Originally by: Darik Jita

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I stand with the CSM in principle, but your response, Ms. Tree, displays poor impulse control. Politicians don't ***** at their constituents (assuming they want to enjoy continued popular support).

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Originally by: Milken Gekko

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That is so ****ing stupid... Nobody forced you to be a part of that...
Also, why on earth would anyone have to go through all that to attend a meaningless meeting is beyond me...

Ever heard about video conferencing ?! Maybe look into that and integrate it into your ****ing monocles !

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Originally by: Chris Fierce

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YOU put yourself up for election, so do the job YOU felt YOU could handle. If your health is a problem, maybe you shouldn't be part of the CSM? Just saying.


CCP didn't need to get the CSM to Iceland. A simple reply to any one of the threadnaughts would've ended most this, but no, CCP let the drama play out. Maybe just to see how far it would go?

What I'd like to know is who "leaked" these mails in the first place? Surely there were only a certain number of people who were CC'd in the mail?

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: Asuri Kinnes

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OP - your an over-entitled dolt.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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If I go to a pricey restaurant and order (and pay for) steak, I don't expect to be served hamburger helper and then to be charged extra for the ketchup.

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Originally by: Lilith Velkor

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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If I go to a pricey restaurant and order (and pay for) steak, I don't expect to be served hamburger helper and then to be charged extra for the ketchup.

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The thing is, you did pay for the all-you-can-eat buffet. If there isnt any steak on the buffet, tough luck.

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Originally by: Darik Jita

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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I stand with the CSM in principle, but your response, Ms. Tree, displays poor impulse control. Politicians don't ***** at their constituents (assuming they want to enjoy continued popular support).

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Let's see if this analogy helps:

If I go to a pricey restaurant and order (and pay for) steak, I don't expect to be served hamburger helper and then to be charged extra for the ketchup.

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Originally by: baltec1

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It stopped because the bulk of us didnt want none vanity items. CCP has now said the will not go down that road so we are happy again.

Its as simple as that.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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This thread was supposed to be about WHY we lost, but given the (surprisingly?) high degree of controversy over WHETHER we lost, I suppose I should explain what winning would have looked like. Let's see if we can agree on a few facts:

For the last 8 years, EVE has been a sandbox game about Internet Spaceships and a player-driven economy with a steep learning curve and requiring a long time investment from its players/customers.

EVE has always run on low-end computers. Even by players running multiple accounts, a practice which has been encouraged in both game development and marketing by its developer, CCP games.

It has an incredible community that pays a high monthly subscription, with the average long-term player paying $50 per month or so (to support the multiple accounts I mentioned earlier.) In exchange for that high monthly subscription, EVE has traditionally offered 2 'free' expansions per year.

EVE has been and continues to be immensely profitable for its developer, CCP Games, which refers internally to EVE as its 'Golden Goose.'

Recent patches and expansions have left countless bugs, exploits, imbalances and unfinished features. EVE (Internet Spaceships) is in a state of utter neglect.

The last patch fried/overheated the video cards of a significant percentage of its customers and makes the game unplayable in multibox mode for a significantly higher percentage of its customers.

CCP Games devotes grossly inadequate financial/development resources to EVE (Internet Spaceships,) focusing instead solely on its 2 new games in development. What few resources it does devote to EVE (Internet Spaceships) are being allocated by someone who has expressed enthusiasm about breaking in-game functionality and selling it back to the players through microtransactions.

Hopefully we can agree on those facts.

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Originally by: baltec1

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It stopped because the bulk of us didnt want none vanity items. CCP has now said the will not go down that road so we are happy again.

Its as simple as that.

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Originally by: Khamelean

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I think you need to go find a dictionary and look up the difference between "fanboy","black flag operations" and "oligarchy".

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Hopefully we can agree on those facts. Now here's what winning looks like (from my perspective:)

CCP commits permanently to making Incarna optional.

CCP commits permanently to keeping $ for GTC for PLEX the only MT in the game.

CCP removes Aurum from the game.

CCP agrees that since we have paid for 2 expansions per year with our inflated monthly subscription, and since this expansion is all about Spaceship Barbies, that they will allow us to play dressup with our Spaceship Barbies for 'free' (since we've already paid for it with our inflated monthly subscription.)

CCP acknowledges that Hilmar's idea to gouge players because he saw a slideshow on the Internets about gouging players in a F2P game doesn't work in the industry's most expensive subscription-based MMO.

CCP restores adequate funding to EVE development (Internet Spaceships.)

CCP regains the respect and trust of its playerbase, and goes on to great financial success from its 2 new games, which can operate on whatever financial model Hilmar dreams up because they are new games with no established precedents/understandings.

That's what winning would look like (more or less). It's a little rough, but give me a week to fly to Iceland and I'd polish it up a bit.

Or just get me drunk and tell me you have no plans to sell non-vanity items in your vanity items store. I'm good with that.

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Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS

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The post from CCP was nicely done. Well played but I think CCP will still lose customers. People will watch what CCP does and not what they say. I will miss this game. When my sub runs out I will not continue until CQ is optional. Lots of people feel this way and CCP is going to put it on the back burner like everything else. Going to be a pity to lose so many people for something they could have avoided easily.

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Originally by: Mister Smithington

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You're projecting your particular desires onto the community. Guess what? Not everyone shares your priorities. The fact that you made this post assuming that everyone would agree the protest failed demonstrates that quite clearly.

Let me ask you this? If the wishes of the majority of the community had not been achieved, do you really think the rage would have died down? We were ****ed about the prospect of game effecting MTs in our sandbox. CCP backed down from those, and so we let off the rage.

AkJon, I'm sorry you jumped on the populist rage-train waving the flag for the most hardcore position of secondary and tertiary issues. I'm sorry you didn't understand the revolt was about MTs, and not reshaping Eve into your personal ideal.

You're right, no one should be forced into incarna, the way that no one should be forced into wormholes or forced into mining. But what you fail to understand is that some people are very much looking forward to the full version of Incarna. Some of them would love to take all the devs off Flying in Space to churn out Incarna content as quickly as possible. The summit was still a victory for them, because it achieved its primary goal: getting CCP to back away from MT for game effecting items.

TL;DR, you're delusional, stop talking.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Which of my particular desires do you think I'm projecting?

That Incarna be optional?

That CCP ought to allocate sufficient resources to Internet Spaceships?

That MT be restricted to PLEX (or to vanity only as a final compromise)?

That in-game functionality ought not to be broken by CCP and sold back to its customers via microtransactions?

That CCP ought to be satisfied with its 'highest cost per player in the industry' subscription model and not treat its customers like the 'golden goose' it thinks of us as?

I am confident that all of my 'desires' would meet with majority (if not vast majority) approval from the rest of CCP's customers. I don't consider any of them to be 'hardcore'. I think you are (to put it kindly) misinformed. But please illuminate me if you disagree and please provide specifics and not ad hominems. Thanks.

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Originally by: Mister Smithington

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We were ****ed about the prospect of game effecting MTs in our sandbox. CCP backed down from those, and so we let off the rage. . . I'm sorry you didn't understand the revolt was about MTs, and not reshaping Eve into your personal ideal.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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10. CCP stall tactics and counterintelligence/war propaganda (via dev alts)

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Teadaze said it well when he left:

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Originally by: Mister Smithington

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TL;DR You're delusional

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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So apparently the part of the CCP statement about MT had already been written before CSM even left for Reyk. All CCP had to do was to get CSM to sign off. How many drinks did that take?

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Quote:

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Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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While we're visiting other forums, Hratli Smirks said it very well:

"I'm still not resubbing hth.

The ultimate problem here is no matter what CCP does or says I don't trust them to communicate their intentions and I don't trust them to fix their game. I came to this conclusion when people were wondering if Mittens was going to tell us to pull up stakes and move to WoT or something when he came back from Iceland and I realized that what was going to happen was the CSM was going to come back and say "its all cool guys its just CCP is bad at talking to human beings they don't intend to add game-affecting MT and they are serious not like when they said they weren't going to add MT last year. CCP has a lot of very smart people running it now despite years of evidence to the contrary don't worry they understand."

This game has been ****ed up to various degrees since Dominion, which was roughly 18 months ago. If they haven't been able to solve the problems that players pointed out before they even introduced them into the live game in 18 months, or even look like they understand the problems, then I'm not sure why I should continue to pay them (or rather facilitate someone else paying them on my behalf) on good faith that Some Day they will bring it all together in the fabled fix expansion.

I mean these are the guys who watched a video of 25 titans DDing a carrier and said 'well that is just obviously unacceptably hilariously broken guys dont worry we see it' and their response was to make it so every titan could DD a carrier.

Ultimately me staying in this game just encourages them to keep being useless."

Actually, #11 (on the list this thread was supposed to be about) just occurred to me. A big part of the problem is that protesters weren't all posting in the same place. If there's a next time, hopefully we can decide on a common communication channel.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Yes, and hopefully it's somewhere else.

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Originally by: Milken Gekko

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Originally by: Ianus

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Originally by: Milken Gekko

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about...

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That is so ****ing stupid... Nobody forced you to be a part of that...
Also, why on earth would anyone have to go through all that to attend a meaningless meeting is beyond me...

Ever heard about video conferencing ?! Maybe look into that and integrate it into your ****ing monocles !

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Thank you very much I♥anus for quoting my insightful post so I get more air time

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: Bo Tosh

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1. MT for vanity items only.

Works for me.

2. CQ optional until some form of the hanger returns.

I can live with that.

3. A promise of better communication from CCP.

Nice just hope it lasts.

4. Proof that even among the HiSec community the EvE playerbase aren't all sheep to be lead to the slaughter and that the CSM isn't worth a damn.

A victory in and of itself.

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Originally by: Maman Brigitte

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Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS

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The post from CCP was nicely done. Well played but I think CCP will still lose customers. People will watch what CCP does and not what they say. I will miss this game. When my sub runs out I will not continue until CQ is optional. Lots of people feel this way and CCP is going to put it on the back burner like everything else. Going to be a pity to lose so many people for something they could have avoided easily.

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The option to turn it off exists, and will remain until they have returned ship-spinning to the game.

There's no way they can do that without making CQ optional, I'm guessing you'll dock up normally with a "disembark" button somewhere you can push to enter Incarna.

So, CQ is optional. You back yet?

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Originally by: Reloadin

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ITT : Exactly the kind of stupidity and stubbornness that Hilmar predicted.

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Originally by: Bo Tosh

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1. MT for vanity items only.

Works for me.

2. CQ optional until some form of the hanger returns.

I can live with that.

3. A promise of better communication from CCP.

Nice just hope it lasts.

4. Proof that even among the HiSec community the EvE playerbase aren't all sheep to be lead to the slaughter and that the CSM is worth a damn.

A victory in and of itself.

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Originally by: White Tree

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We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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bla

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Originally by: baltec1

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It stopped because the bulk of us didnt want none vanity items. CCP has now said the will not go down that road so we are happy again.

Its as simple as that.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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I'm not through beating CCP with my big ****ing stick, are you?

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Originally by: San Severina

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I can only assume they haven't done their research & have been misinformed here by the disturbing amount of dishonest posts from dubious alt characters calling anyone not satisfied malcontents & whiners.

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Originally by: San Severina

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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I'm not through beating CCP with my big ****ing stick, are you?

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I'm finding it hard to keep motivated now that I've quit but... I have 9 days left & I've committed to read EvE-O everyday & at least try to counter the obvious ALT/Fanboi rhetoric, if only because idiots & stooges sicken me.

It's extremely disheartening to see players constantly misunderstanding the statement on the future of the game. I honestly don't understand why people think the old hangar is coming back & CQ is going to be optional when the statement makes it clear nothing of the sort will happen.

I can only assume they haven't done their research & have been misinformed here by the disturbing amount of dishonest posts from dubious alt characters calling anyone not satisfied malcontents & whiners.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Edited by: Dorvab Arnst on 05/07/2011 08:37:00
Edited by: Dorvab Arnst on 05/07/2011 08:35:48
Despite what you might think, your protest didnt fail. CCP listened and did alot more to placate all of you children than any other MMO company would have done. Ill liste some of my own reasons I think this protest was stupid, I think that it would be more appropriate:

1-10

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Edited by: AkJon Ferguson on 05/07/2011 09:06:28

Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Edited by: Dorvab Arnst on 05/07/2011 08:37:00
Edited by: Dorvab Arnst on 05/07/2011 08:35:48
Despite what you might think, your protest didnt fail. CCP listened and did alot more to placate all of you children than any other MMO company would have done. Ill liste some of my own reasons I think this protest was stupid, I think that it would be more appropriate:

1-10

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1. No, it wasn't based on speculation. It was based on what CCP said it planned to do in Fearless. And no, that wasn't some speculative, theoretical debate, we've already debunked that. Please keep up.

2. The protest was led by a bunch of veteran EVE players. We agree on that. The rest of your post is just ad hominem garbage.

3. Now you're just lying. The full version was MORE damning. It contained the 'golden goose' quote. And here's what the disclaimer ACTUALLY said: "DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this magazine do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues." CCPers who feel strongly about these issues, get it? You somehow get "said memo did not reflect the policies or the mind set of employees at CCP" confused with "CCPers who feel strongly about these issues"? I wish your side would stop lying about Fearless. Your lies have been debunked.

4. "All you did was alienate yourselves by making the game unplayable for some people in the game." I think you have us confused with CCP.

5. No disagreement from me.

6. I think you pulled that # from your ass. Substantiate. Besides, I'm a customer. I don't care how many other customers are unhappy. If I'm unhappy and have excellent reason to be unhappy, I complain. Besides, your hero, soundwave, disagrees with you. I can pull the quote if you missed it.

7. I'm sorry we brought down the usual tone of discourse in Jita local. (Surely he's not serious?)

8. I said that already in 2 of my list. No argument here.

9. I didn't spend any time in Jita, but it seems a logical place to stage a protest to me and I thought the video they made was pretty cool. Shrug.

10. I think you ran out of ideas and posted your 6 again.

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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Edited by: AkJon Ferguson on 05/07/2011 09:06:28

Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Edited by: Dorvab Arnst on 05/07/2011 08:37:00
Edited by: Dorvab Arnst on 05/07/2011 08:35:48
Despite what you might think, your protest didnt fail. CCP listened and did alot more to placate all of you children than any other MMO company would have done. Ill liste some of my own reasons I think this protest was stupid, I think that it would be more appropriate:

1-10

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1. No, it wasn't based on speculation. It was based on what CCP said it planned to do in Fearless. And no, that wasn't some speculative, theoretical debate, we've already debunked that. Please keep up.

2. The protest was led by a bunch of veteran EVE players. We agree on that. The rest of your post is just ad hominem garbage.

3. Now you're just lying. The full version was MORE damning. It contained the 'golden goose' quote. And here's what the disclaimer ACTUALLY said: "DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this magazine do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues." CCPers who feel strongly about these issues, get it? You somehow get "said memo did not reflect the policies or the mind set of employees at CCP" confused with "CCPers who feel strongly about these issues"? I wish your side would stop lying about Fearless. Your lies have been debunked.

4. "All you did was alienate yourselves by making the game unplayable for some people in the game." I think you have us confused with CCP.

5. No disagreement from me.

6. I think you pulled that # from your ass. Substantiate. Besides, I'm a customer. I don't care how many other customers are unhappy. If I'm unhappy and have excellent reason to be unhappy, I complain. Besides, your hero, soundwave, disagrees with you. I can pull the quote if you missed it.

7. I'm sorry we brought down the usual tone of discourse in Jita local. (Surely he's not serious?)

8. I said that already in 2 of my list. No argument here.

9. I didn't spend any time in Jita, but it seems a logical place to stage a protest to me and I thought the video they made was pretty cool. Shrug.

10. I think you ran out of ideas and posted your 6 again.

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Ahhh yes...cherry picking, quote mining and taking thing out of context. If you dont like the game, and you feel your protest was not successful. Leave...you wont be missed, trust me on that.

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Originally by: San Severina

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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Edited by: AkJon Ferguson on 05/07/2011 09:06:28

Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Edited by: Dorvab Arnst on 05/07/2011 08:37:00
Edited by: Dorvab Arnst on 05/07/2011 08:35:48
Despite what you might think, your protest didnt fail. CCP listened and did alot more to placate all of you children than any other MMO company would have done. Ill liste some of my own reasons I think this protest was stupid, I think that it would be more appropriate:

1-10

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1. No, it wasn't based on speculation. It was based on what CCP said it planned to do in Fearless. And no, that wasn't some speculative, theoretical debate, we've already debunked that. Please keep up.

2. The protest was led by a bunch of veteran EVE players. We agree on that. The rest of your post is just ad hominem garbage.

3. Now you're just lying. The full version was MORE damning. It contained the 'golden goose' quote. And here's what the disclaimer ACTUALLY said: "DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this magazine do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues." CCPers who feel strongly about these issues, get it? You somehow get "said memo did not reflect the policies or the mind set of employees at CCP" confused with "CCPers who feel strongly about these issues"? I wish your side would stop lying about Fearless. Your lies have been debunked.

4. "All you did was alienate yourselves by making the game unplayable for some people in the game." I think you have us confused with CCP.

5. No disagreement from me.

6. I think you pulled that # from your ass. Substantiate. Besides, I'm a customer. I don't care how many other customers are unhappy. If I'm unhappy and have excellent reason to be unhappy, I complain. Besides, your hero, soundwave, disagrees with you. I can pull the quote if you missed it.

7. I'm sorry we brought down the usual tone of discourse in Jita local. (Surely he's not serious?)

8. I said that already in 2 of my list. No argument here.

9. I didn't spend any time in Jita, but it seems a logical place to stage a protest to me and I thought the video they made was pretty cool. Shrug.

10. I think you ran out of ideas and posted your 6 again.

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Ahhh yes...cherry picking, quote mining and taking thing out of context. If you dont like the game, and you feel your protest was not successful. Leave...you wont be missed, trust me on that.

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Nobody is going to trust you on anything, you've already been caught lying right here. And I'm getting tired of anonymous ALTS telling Main characters that post their honest thoughts here that they won't be missed!

yes, they will be missed. Of course they will, lots of players are missed everyday.

One thing I can guarantee won't be missed is ALTS posting ridiculous, stupid, trolling comments in otherwise perfectly thoughtful & honest treads.
I can guarantee that wouldn't be missed.

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Originally by: AnzacPaul

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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How dare you try and turn this on the player base. You should be disgusted in yourself.

YOU chose to go to the summit.
YOU chose to drop everything to save YOUR game of internet spaceships.

Dont sit there and pretend like you were saving the world. The meeting would have gone no different had you been there or not. CCP knew long before they invited you how much they were willing to give and what they wouldnt give.

All we got were a bunch of bull **** statements telling us absoloutely nothing but a bunch of articulated spin that will no doubt see the introduction of a lot of features into the game soon that YOU and CCP decided were ok for the majority of us.

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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Originally by: San Severina

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I can only assume they haven't done their research & have been misinformed here by the disturbing amount of dishonest posts from dubious alt characters calling anyone not satisfied malcontents & whiners.

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What...as oppose to you malcontents calling anyone who disagrees with you Trolls, Dev Alts or worse. Pot calling the kettle black much?

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Originally by: San Severina

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I can only assume they haven't done their research & have been misinformed here by the disturbing amount of dishonest posts from dubious alt characters calling anyone not satisfied malcontents & whiners.

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What...as oppose to you malcontents calling anyone who disagrees with you Trolls, Dev Alts or worse. Pot calling the kettle black much?

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When I see someone with no posting history, no kb history, who is spouting CCP lies, I suspect him of being a dev alt. That seems reasonable to me. If you're not a CCP alt, have the balls to post on your main. In the exceedingly unlikely event that you're a genuine noob, then educate yourself before you open your piehole again. Thanks.

I've submitted considerably fewer than 10 petitions in my 2.5 years of playing EVE with 4-5 toons. I am hardly a whiner. I am a customer who is dissatisfied with a defective product I have paid for and who is complaining about it. I am a customer who has heard that the company I ordered and prepaid for steaks from plans to deliver hamburger helper instead and I'm letting that company know that's not acceptable. That makes me ... normal I guess?

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Originally by: San Severina

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I can only assume they haven't done their research & have been misinformed here by the disturbing amount of dishonest posts from dubious alt characters calling anyone not satisfied malcontents & whiners.

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What...as oppose to you malcontents calling anyone who disagrees with you Trolls, Dev Alts or worse. Pot calling the kettle black much?

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When I see someone with no posting history, no kb history, who is spouting CCP lies, I suspect him of being a dev alt. That seems reasonable to me. If you're not a CCP alt, have the balls to post on your main. In the exceedingly unlikely event that you're a genuine noob, then educate yourself before you open your piehole again. Thanks.

I've submitted considerably fewer than 10 petitions in my 2.5 years of playing EVE with 4-5 toons. I am hardly a whiner. I am a customer who is dissatisfied with a defective product I have paid for and who is complaining about it. I am a customer who has heard that the company I ordered and prepaid for steaks from plans to deliver hamburger helper instead and I'm letting that company know that's not acceptable. That makes me ... normal I guess?

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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: Dorvab Arnst

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Originally by: San Severina

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I can only assume they haven't done their research & have been misinformed here by the disturbing amount of dishonest posts from dubious alt characters calling anyone not satisfied malcontents & whiners.

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What...as oppose to you malcontents calling anyone who disagrees with you Trolls, Dev Alts or worse. Pot calling the kettle black much?

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When I see someone with no posting history, no kb history, who is spouting CCP lies, I suspect him of being a dev alt. That seems reasonable to me. If you're not a CCP alt, have the balls to post on your main. In the exceedingly unlikely event that you're a genuine noob, then educate yourself before you open your piehole again. Thanks.

I've submitted considerably fewer than 10 petitions in my 2.5 years of playing EVE with 4-5 toons. I am hardly a whiner. I am a customer who is dissatisfied with a defective product I have paid for and who is complaining about it. I am a customer who has heard that the company I ordered and prepaid for steaks from plans to deliver hamburger helper instead and I'm letting that company know that's not acceptable. That makes me ... normal I guess?

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Okay, let me make this really clear to you. THIS IS MY MAIN YOU MORON!

Not all of us have been playing the game for as long as some and some of us dont usually come to the troll fest that is the forums becuase its full of ****nuts like you.

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Originally by: Ciar Meara

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Like a great women once said:

I trust you completely, until you betray me

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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I'm not through beating CCP with my big ****ing stick, are you?

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Originally by: Dr Lebroi

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I have no affiliation to CSM or it's members but I do think they should be extended a little respect for dropping everything and going to Iceland. Seriously, how many people on this forum would actually get on a plane from USA to Iceland with a day and a halfs notice? Not that many I bet.

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Originally by: Dr Lebroi

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As to the result for the summit. It played out as real world diplomacy always plays out. All sides got a little of what they wanted but no one was an out right winner that's how it goes. I know your moms and dads always paint your room the colour you want it but when you get older you realise that sometimes you have to use whatever paint is cheapest in the shop. PEACE.

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: Medidranda Livoga

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Edited by: Medidranda Livoga on 05/07/2011 10:15:30
It is true that players actually got nothing factual out of it and thus this CCP / CSM thing feels mostly like charade. But the whole point was to:

a) Stretch this whole thing to couple weeks to dissipate some of the anger
b) This same thing also gave people time to convince themselves that it is not going to be so bad (addicts bargaining)
c) Get away with not promising things definitely (corporate leeway if you will)

The whole situation is bit like a family feud: People get really mad but unfortunately everyone loses if break-up occurs. CCP loses their meal ticket and players lose their game.

However, less players care about their game more leverage they have. Disillusioned subscriber can push the unsub button and keep it pressed without real disruption to their lives. Addicted subber will feel tremendous discomfort by not playing and is willing to compromise and be milked for more cash even if he should wail in forums for a bit.

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Originally by: Othran

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Regardless of "success" or "failure" the playerbase now know what button to press (literally) to get CCPs attention PDQ.

It will happen again.

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Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose

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Originally by: Dr Lebroi

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As to the result for the summit. It played out as real world diplomacy always plays out. All sides got a little of what they wanted but no one was an out right winner that's how it goes. I know your moms and dads always paint your room the colour you want it but when you get older you realise that sometimes you have to use whatever paint is cheapest in the shop. PEACE.

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Yes, it did play out as real world diplomacy. One side got everything they wanted and agreed to give the other side all the publicity they need to not look like they lost out, big time.

The protesters got literally nothing. Literally. Not figuratively, literally. They simply got nothing.

CCP maintained their previously stated positions and placated the entire community at the cost of a few plane tickets, a youtube video and a few platitudiness forum posts.

I am so impressed with CCP figuratively pushing fresh excrement right down the protestors pie holes and having them love it that I am resubbing all 11 accounts. It was absolutely beautiful to watch. You can't buy entertainment like that.
Where would you go?

"Dear Sir, I want to watch roughly 5000 idiots pretend to be passionate about something and then watch 95% of them be placated with the exact same words that made them mad in the first place"
Nowhere does that service, you cannot buy it.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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CCP agrees that since we have paid for 2 expansions per year with our inflated monthly subscription, and since this expansion is all about Spaceship Barbies, that they will allow us to play dressup with our Spaceship Barbies for 'free' (since we've already paid for it with our inflated monthly subscription.)

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Originally by: Othran

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Regardless of "success" or "failure" the playerbase now know what button to press (literally) to get CCPs attention PDQ.

It will happen again.

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Originally by: White Tree

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We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Originally by: baltec1

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It stopped because the bulk of us didnt want none vanity items. CCP has now said the will not go down that road so we are happy again.

Its as simple as that.

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No, they didn't. And no, it's not.

I think it's fair to say that if Incarna had been released with the option to dock-to-hangar, had included a greater variety of prices in the MT store, and had included a commitment from CCP to never sell non-vanity items or convenience or functionality EVER, it would have still been the worst 'expansion' of all time.

So no, after stalling for over a week, (and jeopardizing the mental and physical health and well-being of poor White Tree,) a toothless statement that we have no plans to sell non-vanity items in our vanity items store (which is precisely what the statement says) doesn't cut it.

"It is CCPæs plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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When I see someone with no posting history, no kb history, who is spouting CCP lies, I suspect him of being a dev alt. That seems reasonable to me. If you're not a CCP alt, have the balls to post on your main. In the exceedingly unlikely event that you're a genuine noob, then educate yourself before you open your piehole again. Thanks.

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Sorry, White Tree but that's an absolutely ludicrous response. Application to the CSM was entirely voluntary and you should only have thrown your hat in the ring because you WANTED to contribute. Myself, and many others willingly put ourselves forward, but the Goonswarn / NC campaign to block vote and seize control of the CSM you and Mittens decided to orchestrate put you where you are.

If you don't have the desire, energy or ability to sit on the CSM them you have only yourself (and your political agenda) to blame.

As for why the 'protest' failed I don't think it failed in the slightest. My main observation is that whilst the way CCP managed the whole issue reflected very poorly on them, the way some parts of the community conducted themselves also reflects badly on all of us. Seeing people blackmail, threaten and abuse CCP staff, coupled with the wildly inflated and blatantly false claims of unsubscriptions from thousands of faceless alts undermined our credibility, maturity and contribution to the debate.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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.....I suppose I should explain what winning would have looked like. Let's see if we can agree on a few facts:.....

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: Ghoest

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Ill watch what you do not what you say.

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Originally by: Terminal Insanity

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And the #1 reason why the protests failed: They were protesting over something that didnt/wasnt going to exist!

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Kudos to CCP for paying attention to the uprising and retaining the right to create your game how you see fit without ruining it for the majority of us and without causing irreparable damage to your company's financial future. Well played, CCP.

Here are 10 reasons (in no particular order) I think it failed:

1. It didn't

2. It didn't

3. It didn't

4. It didn't

5. It didn't

6. It didn't

7. It didn't

8. It didn't

9. It didn't

10. It didn't

Well done everyone

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Originally by: Asuri Kinnes

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A bunch of codswallop from a blind sycophant ..

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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What do you believe the protest was attempting to do, Ferguson?

Because I believe it succeeded.

The purpose was to shine a negative light on CCP's actions and force them into a broad public action that the entire gaming world could see.

It did that spectacularly, and regardless of their true intentions if they back out of their promises now they have this ten minute long video showcasing their treachery for all time.

This would be far more damaging then any protest, so all in all... yea, the protest worked perfectly.

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Originally by: AnzacPaul

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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How dare you try and turn this on the player base. You should be disgusted in yourself.

YOU chose to go to the summit.
YOU chose to drop everything to save YOUR game of internet spaceships.

Dont sit there and pretend like you were saving the world. The meeting would have gone no different had you been there or not. CCP knew long before they invited you how much they were willing to give and what they wouldnt give.

All we got were a bunch of bull **** statements telling us absoloutely nothing but a bunch of articulated spin that will no doubt see the introduction of a lot of features into the game soon that YOU and CCP decided were ok for the majority of us.

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Originally by: Mag's

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Originally by: AnzacPaul

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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How dare you try and turn this on the player base. You should be disgusted in yourself.

YOU chose to go to the summit.
YOU chose to drop everything to save YOUR game of internet spaceships.

Dont sit there and pretend like you were saving the world. The meeting would have gone no different had you been there or not. CCP knew long before they invited you how much they were willing to give and what they wouldnt give.

All we got were a bunch of bull **** statements telling us absoloutely nothing but a bunch of articulated spin that will no doubt see the introduction of a lot of features into the game soon that YOU and CCP decided were ok for the majority of us.

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This. White Tree you're a joke.

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: Cutter Isaacson

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The only joke I see are the people whining at the CSM members. You guys voted for them, or didn't (in which case you have no right to complain) then when they drop everything in real life at a moments notice to fly out to Iceland to deal with this almighty mess AND come away with exactly the answers we were looking for, you sit here and scream at them.

Perhaps you aren't aware of how the summits usually work (it's the only explanation I can come up with for the stupidity in here) where the CSM are given set dates, well ahead of time, as to when they will be needed. The CSM can then plan ahead and make sure that there is nothing conflicting with those dates and everything goes smoothly.

This time round they had a weeks notice, at most, to get their arses to Iceland. They went because that is their job, yes, but this was the equivalent of getting a phone call at 3am on your day off telling you that you HAVE to come to work. And you wonder why some of the CSM members are ****ed off? With you and with CCP.

You people need to think before you post, you make the rest of us look bad.

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Originally by: Mag's

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Edited by: Mag''s on 05/07/2011 12:37:16

Originally by: Cutter Isaacson

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The only joke I see are the people whining at the CSM members. You guys voted for them, or didn't (in which case you have no right to complain) then when they drop everything in real life at a moments notice to fly out to Iceland to deal with this almighty mess AND come away with exactly the answers we were looking for, you sit here and scream at them.

Perhaps you aren't aware of how the summits usually work (it's the only explanation I can come up with for the stupidity in here) where the CSM are given set dates, well ahead of time, as to when they will be needed. The CSM can then plan ahead and make sure that there is nothing conflicting with those dates and everything goes smoothly.

This time round they had a weeks notice, at most, to get their arses to Iceland. They went because that is their job, yes, but this was the equivalent of getting a phone call at 3am on your day off telling you that you HAVE to come to work. And you wonder why some of the CSM members are ****ed off? With you and with CCP.

You people need to think before you post, you make the rest of us look bad.

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Maybe you should actually read the blog. Then tell me what they gained exactly.... no really, I'd like to know.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Mag's

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Originally by: Cutter Isaacson

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Stuff.....

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Maybe you should actually read the blog. Then tell me what they gained exactly.... no really, I'd like to know.

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They got this:

introduce in some form at a future dateÖ

CCP pinned down! Not utterly vague and certainly worth the near physical and emotional collapse of some of the weaker CSM members.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Mara Villoso

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Srsly? They neither failed nor succeeded, because the issue at hand was never actually an issue. Just something being imagined by the OCD'd. No gold ammo is coming or was ever coming. Done. Over. Out. Finished.

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Originally by: White Tree

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...snip for brevity...

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Originally by: White Tree

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We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems.

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Originally by: Kumq uat

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I am putting a 100 million bounty on the corpse of the op. I must be provided with a corpse and an API verified kill mail.

Also first person to buy me a monocle gets my eternal love.

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Originally by: White Tree

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If you knew anything about the living hell I've had to go through these last 5 days to get to Iceland and back you wouldn't be spouting what you're spouting now. A mixture of flight delays, missed flights, lost passports and more just so I could go to Iceland and shout at CCP for 48 hours only to crawl home (I'm STILL not home nearly 72 hours after the summit ended) and I get to come back to people sitting in their diapers crying about how we were 'bought' by CCP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I've actually put my physical health on the back burner for YOUR interests and so did the rest of the CSM so just chill out with the endless stream of nonsense you constantly fire at us. We're not superheroes and we made some serious sacrifices to be able to drop EVERYTHING to go to Iceland and hash this out.

We didn't get drunk and we didn't have fun because quite frankly we were too tired, too stressed and too overworked to be able to stop for a moment and consider anyone's concerns other than yours. The same can be mirrored for CCP who were genuinely worried and concerned about the problems the players had. We sat and watched as THE greatest technical achievement the company has ever put forward was perpetually overshadowed by problems. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you wanted exactly how you wanted it but your entitlements stretch far and beyond their reach so simmer down and think about what you're saying before you say it.

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Quote:

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8. CSM willing to be bought off for a few drinks.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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9. Large portion of the playerbase (including Mynxee! ) willing to be bought off with a few almost-meaningless words.

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Originally by: Avid Bumhumper

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Protest didn't fail, CCP did.

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Originally by: stoicfaux

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Did I miss any?

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What's your definition of failure? What goals should have been met for the protests to be considered a success?

Even then, your top ten list comes across as just random crud from someone with a tenuous grasp on reality. Dev alts? Seriously? Were they also posting from black NWO computers via secret routers transmitting on dark fiber? Also, Glenn Beck called and wants to remind you that he will be on GBTV in the future.

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Originally by: Alayla Nightfall

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White Tree, I don't think any of us I really care what you had to go through.

All we I care about is results (or lack there of at this point).

The game is broken fix it.

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Edited by: RougeOperator on 05/07/2011 20:17:46
If you are not posting with your main you are a coward. least i can respect the monocle goons for the fact they are using their mains to troll.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Kudos to CCP for defeating the uprising and retaining the right to break your game and wreck your company's financial future. Well played, CCP.

Here are 10 reasons (in no particular order) I think we lost:

1. Lack of a coherent message by the protesters.

2. Lack of buy-in from the leadership of any large alliance or any truly charismatic/well-spoken individual capable of getting GDI buy-in (to consolidate messaging/actions.)

3. Staggered subscription expiry.

4. Skill queues and POS fuel.

5. Prisoner's dilemma. (free riders)

6. EVE's ingrained culture of trolls and fanbois (plus the ability to post anonymously.)

7. The lack of alternative engaging sandbox games.

8. CSM willing to be bought off for a few drinks.

9. Large portion of the playerbase (including Mynxee! ) willing to be bought off with a few almost-meaningless words.

10. CCP stall tactics and counterintelligence/war propaganda (via dev alts)

Did I miss any?

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Originally by: Alayla Nightfall

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Edited by: RougeOperator on 05/07/2011 20:17:46
If you are not posting with your main you are a coward. least i can respect the monocle goons for the fact they are using their mains to troll.

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I reserve the right to post with whatever the hell character I want. Doesn't matter, I pay for it.

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Originally by: Alayla Nightfall

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Edited by: RougeOperator on 05/07/2011 20:17:46
If you are not posting with your main you are a coward. least i can respect the monocle goons for the fact they are using their mains to troll.

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I reserve the right to post with whatever the hell character I want. Doesn't matter, I pay for it.

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NO you just don't have the fortitude to actually put yourself out there with any meaning. You are a coward.

It had nothing to do with how you being a paying anything. Not shocked and alt poster would miss the point.

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Originally by: Cutter Isaacson

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The only joke I see are the people whining at the CSM members. You guys voted for them, or didn't (in which case you have no right to complain) then when they drop everything in real life at a moments notice to fly out to Iceland to deal with this almighty mess AND come away with exactly the answers we were looking for, you sit here and scream at them.

Perhaps you aren't aware of how the summits usually work (it's the only explanation I can come up with for the stupidity in here) where the CSM are given set dates, well ahead of time, as to when they will be needed. The CSM can then plan ahead and make sure that there is nothing conflicting with those dates and everything goes smoothly.

This time round they had a weeks notice, at most, to get their arses to Iceland. They went because that is their job, yes, but this was the equivalent of getting a phone call at 3am on your day off telling you that you HAVE to come to work. And you wonder why some of the CSM members are ****ed off? With you and with CCP.

You people need to think before you post, you make the rest of us look bad.

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Originally by: K'iran

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Originally by: Cutter Isaacson

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The only joke I see are the people whining at the CSM members. You guys voted for them, or didn't (in which case you have no right to complain) then when they drop everything in real life at a moments notice to fly out to Iceland to deal with this almighty mess AND come away with exactly the answers we were looking for, you sit here and scream at them.

Perhaps you aren't aware of how the summits usually work (it's the only explanation I can come up with for the stupidity in here) where the CSM are given set dates, well ahead of time, as to when they will be needed. The CSM can then plan ahead and make sure that there is nothing conflicting with those dates and everything goes smoothly.

This time round they had a weeks notice, at most, to get their arses to Iceland. They went because that is their job, yes, but this was the equivalent of getting a phone call at 3am on your day off telling you that you HAVE to come to work. And you wonder why some of the CSM members are ****ed off? With you and with CCP.

You people need to think before you post, you make the rest of us look bad.

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I have to quote this.

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Originally by: Alayla Nightfall

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Originally by: Alayla Nightfall

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Edited by: RougeOperator on 05/07/2011 20:17:46
If you are not posting with your main you are a coward. least i can respect the monocle goons for the fact they are using their mains to troll.

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I reserve the right to post with whatever the hell character I want. Doesn't matter, I pay for it.

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NO you just don't have the fortitude to actually put yourself out there with any meaning. You are a coward.

It had nothing to do with how you being a paying anything. Not shocked and alt poster would miss the point.

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Miss your point you mean? Maybe you missed mine, doens't matter regardless who I am, or who I'm with, as a paying customer, I have as much fortitude as you do.

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Originally by: Alayla Nightfall

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I'm not sure how the joke is on the customer (or the people) complaining honestly. CSM members put themselves in that position don't they? They should know what comes with the job description.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Kudos to CCP for defeating the uprising and retaining the right to break your game and wreck your company's financial future. Well played, CCP.

Here are 10 reasons (in no particular order) I think we lost:

1. Lack of a coherent message by the protesters.

2. Lack of buy-in from the leadership of any large alliance or any truly charismatic/well-spoken individual capable of getting GDI buy-in (to consolidate messaging/actions.)

3. Staggered subscription expiry.

4. Skill queues and POS fuel.

5. Prisoner's dilemma. (free riders)

6. EVE's ingrained culture of trolls and fanbois (plus the ability to post anonymously.)

7. The lack of alternative engaging sandbox games.

8. CSM willing to be bought off for a few drinks.

9. Large portion of the playerbase (including Mynxee! ) willing to be bought off with a few almost-meaningless words.

10. CCP stall tactics and counterintelligence/war propaganda (via dev alts)

Did I miss any?

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Originally by: San Severina

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Kudos to CCP for defeating the uprising and retaining the right to break your game and wreck your company's financial future. Well played, CCP.

Here are 10 reasons (in no particular order) I think we lost:

1. Lack of a coherent message by the protesters.

2. Lack of buy-in from the leadership of any large alliance or any truly charismatic/well-spoken individual capable of getting GDI buy-in (to consolidate messaging/actions.)

3. Staggered subscription expiry.

4. Skill queues and POS fuel.

5. Prisoner's dilemma. (free riders)

6. EVE's ingrained culture of trolls and fanbois (plus the ability to post anonymously.)

7. The lack of alternative engaging sandbox games.

8. CSM willing to be bought off for a few drinks.

9. Large portion of the playerbase (including Mynxee! ) willing to be bought off with a few almost-meaningless words.

10. CCP stall tactics and counterintelligence/war propaganda (via dev alts)

Did I miss any?

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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk

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Originally by: San Severina

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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Kudos to CCP for defeating the uprising and retaining the right to break your game and wreck your company's financial future. Well played, CCP.

Here are 10 reasons (in no particular order) I think we lost:

1. Lack of a coherent message by the protesters.

2. Lack of buy-in from the leadership of any large alliance or any truly charismatic/well-spoken individual capable of getting GDI buy-in (to consolidate messaging/actions.)

3. Staggered subscription expiry.

4. Skill queues and POS fuel.

5. Prisoner's dilemma. (free riders)

6. EVE's ingrained culture of trolls and fanbois (plus the ability to post anonymously.)

7. The lack of alternative engaging sandbox games.

8. CSM willing to be bought off for a few drinks.

9. Large portion of the playerbase (including Mynxee! ) willing to be bought off with a few almost-meaningless words.

10. CCP stall tactics and counterintelligence/war propaganda (via dev alts)

Did I miss any?

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San either you are trolling, you sold your character, or you have become an idiot. You are smarter than this, I should know years of talking to you an matari chat have proven it.

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Originally by: Ozmodan

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Edited by: Ozmodan on 05/07/2011 22:01:15
You don't need a silly top ten list with idiotic items when there is only one reason the protest failed. It did not make any sense, just a small group of whiners complaining about nothing.

If and ever CCP introduces non fluff items in the shop, then you have a basis for whining, at present all I see is a lot of hot air with no basis in fact.

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Originally by: Ozmodan

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You don't need a silly top ten list with idiotic items when there is only one reason the protest failed. It did not make any sense, just a small group of whiners complaining about nothing.

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Originally by: Ozmodan

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If and ever CCP introduces non fluff items in the shop, then you have a basis for whining, at present all I see is a lot of hot air with no basis in fact.

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