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wibble Yaken
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Posted - 2011.07.07 08:07:00 -
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I am seeing plenty of Cynabal's out at the moment in low sec, and wonderd if anyone could share some fittings that could take one out solo?
I normaly prefer Amar ships (I know) as my Alt is fully trained up but Im not picky on other races.
Thx
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.07.07 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: ChromeStriker on 07/07/2011 08:21:32
The problem is unless you surprise him somehow, anything that can hurt him cant hold him, and anything that can will be chewed up 
From the amarr line up... A curse or ashimmu maybe... or a fast lock Bhaal lol
Outside the amarr... vagabond or a hurricane mayhaps?
Other ways would be to tag team him with an alt or a friend in which case the possabilities are long.
Edit: Spellinks
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Darcon Kylote
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Posted - 2011.07.07 09:44:00 -
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A solo fit BS with a couple heavy neuts. Nano shield tempest works well.
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:27:00 -
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Best option is a curse with faction point. Kill his cap and overload your MWD and faction point to keep him from coasting out of range. At that point kill him at your leisure. Another option is an arty rapier but that's minnie. If the player is dumb and goes into scram range, then you suddenly have tons of options. The cookie cutter plate harbinger will do the trick if he makes that mistake, but I wouldn't count on it. Landing at 0m on him won't work either, he'll mwd out of scram/web range before you get a lock or he'll be far/fast enough that he'll coast out of range regardless. An ashimmu can pull it off with a faction web + disruptor but he'll out dps/tank you, so although you could pin him, you probably don't want to if solo.
For bigger ships, a heavy neut or two makes a world of difference. The cynabal is terribly weak on cap so unless he has a cap booster, he's easy to cap out. The trouble is I'm not sure you could keep up with him even with his MWD disabled 75% of the time. So it's a bit dodgy. I haven't tested it so it may work. But it's not a method I would use typically. You could also try some gimmicky fits built specifically to counter cynabals. But that's an expensive way to go after just 1-2 guys. I try to get a little more utility out of my stuff typically.
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wibble Yaken
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Posted - 2011.07.07 12:03:00 -
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A pilgrim/curse or ashimmu is an excelent idea, though my drone skills are a bit sloppy so i would go for the Ashimmu.
Thanks for the info
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.07.07 12:08:00 -
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 Originally by: wibble Yaken
A pilgrim/curse or ashimmu is an excelent idea, though my drone skills are a bit sloppy so i would go for the Ashimmu.
Thanks for the info
Careful with the Ashimmu if things go wrong they will go wrong fast! and its an expensive ship to lose espexially with a faction point, web and neuts
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.07 13:49:00 -
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The problem with picking a Curse is its one of the ships a Cynabal shouldn't engage solo unless its very obvious the Curse pilot has low SPs in recons/eng/drones.
It is the perfect counter to the Cynabal (neuts/tracks) and every Cynabal pilot should know that.
I don't think I'd recommend a Pilgrim - a dual-prop Cynabal (standard fit) will AB out of neut/scram range pretty fast. At that point you're dead even with tracks.
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:21:00 -
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No cyn pilot will EVER engage a curse.
Dual web nano drake, get him within 13 and he is toast. I know its unlikely but every other scenario requires fielding ships that a sane cynabal pilot would never engage unless solo (lach/zu, rapier, etc)
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Otebski
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:53:00 -
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Dual web armor Loki seems like pretty obvious choice.
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praznimrak
Gallente
Level Up
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:29:00 -
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Get a friend man lets say in falcon and you can fly something that caynibal will engage 1 vs 1 but it can have dual web,some cruiser lets say.as soon as you scram and web him your falcon frind declock and story is over.
Cynibal dram pilots will only engage A)ships thay can kill cose of more dps
B)ships thay can escape cose of spead advantage
So bait him whith one of those and get help from recon friend.
End of story
P.S Or you can get cynibal your self and try it out
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Meditril
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:59:00 -
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The problem with fighting a Cynabal is that he can easily stay out of your web range while kiting you with his AC and drones. So the only reliable way to catch one (if pilot is not stupid) is to use something with long web or long neutralizer which basically ends up with Battleship, Curse, Rapier, Huginn or Loki. AC-Dual-Prop-Dramiel should also be possible if you manage to get under his guns before he makes you go pop from distance.
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Lucius Thrawla
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:25:00 -
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Out in 0.0 we have used arty canes very effectively against cynabals, he will be expecting AC fit, will orbit you at his optimal. you let lose with 650's and he's dead before he knows what hit him. only problem is holding them down.
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Red Teufel
Blackened Skies
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Posted - 2011.07.07 19:37:00 -
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we use a latch to snag em allowing the fleet to murder him
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Talia Yvormes
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Posted - 2011.07.08 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Talia Yvormes on 08/07/2011 09:57:27
Try a huginn, but you might want a TD or two. |
Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:38:00 -
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A specific fit Vexor can do the job (assuming he gets close). |
Jude Lloyd
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Posted - 2011.07.08 14:07:00 -
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Rook. |
Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.07.08 14:16:00 -
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Carry t1 drones in your Curse. When the Cynabal sees you, launch a flight of deadly Warrior I's, causing him to engage, then quickly switch to actually useful drones.
That should trick him into engaging. |
Cherab
Minmatar
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:31:00 -
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cynabal just wouldn't engage a curse so it's pointless. T3 is too shiny
Dual rep/dual prop cap boosted SFI is best solo cynabal/vaga killer IMO.
[Stabber Fleet Issue, Vaga killer]
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
10MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2
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mama guru
Gallente
Thundercats
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.08 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cherab
cynabal just wouldn't engage a curse so it's pointless. T3 is too shiny
Dual rep/dual prop cap boosted SFI is best solo cynabal/vaga killer IMO.
[Stabber Fleet Issue, Vaga killer]
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
10MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2
Pretty standard. It's not hard to chase off a cynabal or to survive one aslong as you are not caught where you cant jump or dock. Although the competence of most nano pilots tend to be rather sub par. Anything with a scram and dual web will kill him. A cynabal won't have more than 350ish dps anyway unless he is suicidal. A smart cynabal pilot won't charge you to keep a point on you especially if you can hit like 1500-2000 m/s with an overloaded mwd. You'd be suprised at how many cynabals neglect the 30km point to cut down on costs, this makes them especially vulnurable as they will be forced into a DPS race with any pulse laser or AC fit out there. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.07.08 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: ChromeStriker
The problem is unless you surprise him somehow, anything that can hurt him cant hold him, and anything that can will be chewed up
wrong |
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Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.09 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tekitha on 09/07/2011 01:18:46
wow, some really terrible suggestions here ...
rook / falcon - no he'll warp off
pilgrim - no, he'll kite u
ashimmu - see above
lach / arazu - you'll slow him down but without support he'll out tank / gank u anyway
rapier / huginn - see above
curse - he won't engage
obvious neuting BS - see above
thing is, any cynabal (or vaga for that matter) pilot who is even half decent knows what he can and can't engage and how he would approach that fight. trying to solo a cynabal is nigh on impossible ... the closest I ever came to losing a cyna (other than drunken r*t*rdedness) was to a nano deimos with faction web / scram who pulled an epic crazy ivan on me, luckily I had friends next door who came in and saved my arse but he totally had me beat, point being u need either some massively outside the box thinking (to the point where it'll likely fail and you'll be a lol mail) or friends to kill a cynabal. |
King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.07.09 04:46:00 -
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Well killing any ship solo/small gang requires deception or surprise. He'll never willingly fight a curse solo nor will anyone else. The key to being a good curse pilot is not giving them a say in the matter. |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
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Posted - 2011.07.09 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tekitha
nano deimos
Not the worst ship to bait kiting cruisers in, though a Cynabal might a bit tough on first attempt especially with its wildcard midslot making it a little unpredictable.
Vagabonds sure, as there you pretty much know what to expect. And you know they dont expect the supposedly slow Deimus suddenly running them down at 2.8kms  |
Barbie D0ll
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Posted - 2011.07.09 09:00:00 -
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titan, who needs to worry about tracking and everything else when you can just DD him and get it over with |
Xiozor
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2011.07.09 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger
Originally by: ChromeStriker
The problem is unless you surprise him somehow, anything that can hurt him cant hold him, and anything that can will be chewed up
wrong
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Elderad+Ulthran
Your argument is invalid. |
King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.07.09 12:00:00 -
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Laser fleet stabber kills cynabal allegedly solo, obviously something is missing from that story. And I have a pretty good idea of what it is given how many times I've traded volleys with adolf. He is a rather big fan of his ganglinks (as am I) and puts them to exceptional use. You can pull off some pretty crazy fits when you can point someone from 40km+ away with a t2 disruptor. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.09 12:36:00 -
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Navy Omen eats them alive, they are bling so tend to attract flies like Cyna's.
Your biggest problem will be keeping him interested long enough as they tend to hit the panic button when they realise unresisted shield buffer is no good against 550-600 laser dps 
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Scorpionidae
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Posted - 2011.07.09 18:09:00 -
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MWD fit Cruor FTW maybe?
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z0de
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2011.07.09 19:47:00 -
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rifter
http://the-bastards.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15451 |
ItsmeHcK1
Lucifer's Hammer
Burn Away
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Posted - 2011.07.09 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: ItsmeHcK1 on 09/07/2011 21:36:56
As said, Curse would be an easy choice.
Something he would actually be willing to engage... dualneut shieldpest. (or any fast dualneut BS)
http://itsmehck.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9100681
Originally by: King Rothgar
You can pull off some pretty crazy fits when you can point someone from 40km+ away with a t2 disruptor.
40+ with a T2 disruptor, eh?
You, sir, are an idiot. |
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
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Posted - 2011.07.09 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: ItsmeHcK1
Originally by: King Rothgar
You can pull off some pretty crazy fits when you can point someone from 40km+ away with a t2 disruptor.
40+ with a T2 disruptor, eh?
You, sir, are an idiot.
No, he is actually smart enough to use proper gang bonuses  |
Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.07.10 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: ItsmeHcK1
Edited by: ItsmeHcK1 on 09/07/2011 21:36:56
As said, Curse would be an easy choice.
Something he would actually be willing to engage... dualneut shieldpest. (or any fast dualneut BS)
http://itsmehck.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9100681
Originally by: King Rothgar
You can pull off some pretty crazy fits when you can point someone from 40km+ away with a t2 disruptor.
40+ with a T2 disruptor, eh?
You, sir, are an idiot.
Lets not forget itsme, that you have a loki alt with speed propulsion and probably shield tanking mods. Which to be honest the best way to surprise a cynabal, Also priness nexxala does the same thing, fought them both, though they are farely obvious :(, and havnt killed me. |
Princess Nexxala
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.11 17:15:00 -
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Well I suppose since people are always telling me I have a loki boosting me constantly that I should probably get one of those :)
Cyn is just one OP ****er is all...
Originally by: Precisionist
Lets not forget itsme, that you have a loki alt with speed propulsion and probably shield tanking mods. Which to be honest the best way to surprise a cynabal, Also priness nexxala does the same thing, fought them both, though they are farely obvious :(, and havnt killed me.
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Ivelios d'Sanquine
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Posted - 2011.07.25 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: ChromeStriker
Originally by: wibble Yaken
A pilgrim/curse or ashimmu is an excelent idea, though my drone skills are a bit sloppy so i would go for the Ashimmu.
Thanks for the info
Careful with the Ashimmu if things go wrong they will go wrong fast! and its an expensive ship to lose espexially with a faction point, web and neuts
I took out a factionfitted cynabal in my ashimmu but i was 50% drunk and 100% ******ed to even try it. id simply sugest a shield curse with some neuts and TD, that or a fast scramblerfittet frig with a nos
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VCBee 588
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Posted - 2011.07.25 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: VCBee 588 on 25/07/2011 09:53:01
Edited by: VCBee 588 on 25/07/2011 09:52:27
Edited by: VCBee 588 on 25/07/2011 09:51:46
Edited by: VCBee 588 on 25/07/2011 09:50:48
Edited by: VCBee 588 on 25/07/2011 09:49:08
Dual armor rep Myrmidon...
Since it is dual tanked, you got 5 mid slots free for use.
Microwarpdrive
Medium Cap booster
Warp Scrambler
Stasis Webifier
Tracking Disruptor - tracking speed script
That will hold him down,
Tracking speed disruptor makes him miss alot
dual armor rep will tank him for a while
(Prefer you fit the Myrmidon with Autocannons, but blaster should work to)
This is my fit:
[Myrmidon: Omni PVP loadout]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II - 800 cap boosters
Tracking Disruptor II - Tracking disruption script
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
220mm AutoCannon II - Republic fleet EMP (Barrage M in cargohold)
220mm AutoCannon II - Republic fleet EMP
220mm AutoCannon II - Republic fleet EMP
220mm AutoCannon II - Republic fleet EMP
220mm AutoCannon II - Republic fleet EMP
220mm AutoCannon II - Republic fleet EMP
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Hammerhead II
Warrior II
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Privateeralliance Sucks
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Posted - 2011.07.25 10:21:00 -
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if you can get it to engage... use a mach, then kite it for as long as u can.. neut it if it comes close
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VCBee 588
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Posted - 2011.07.25 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: VCBee 588 on 25/07/2011 10:26:35
Won't engage a Mach with autocannons, and if it has Arty fit, the Mach is gonna die :P
Whole point of killing a Cynabal is to attract it to engage, so jumping in Carriers and all sort of wierd tactics is not gonna work...
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Gavic
Supersedeas
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Posted - 2011.07.25 14:44:00 -
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Bait it with whatever you want that has a 400 omni tank and then get a rapier/huginn to make it quit moving and mess him up. |
Bfoster
Xicron Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.25 15:35:00 -
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Not amarr.. But drake?
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.25 15:55:00 -
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Yes dual web drake will absolutely roflstomp a cyn...problem is getting it within web range. A good cyn pilot will kite you all day and leave when his shields get low. Drake are good cyn be gone tho...most of the times the damage at range gets them off the field.
Originally by: Bfoster
Not amarr.. But drake?
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.07.25 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Nexxala
Yes dual web drake will absolutely roflstomp a cyn...problem is getting it within web range. A good cyn pilot will kite you all day and leave when his shields get low. Drake are good cyn be gone tho...most of the times the damage at range gets them off the field.
Originally by: Bfoster
Not amarr.. But drake?
actually i bet a nano drake could grab it, no BCus or maybe just the one, thenmove away from it and if it trys toi use an orbit overheat mwd and dual web punch him in the face.
possibly the best ideas so far, however cynabal pilots tend to avoid solo drakes... but most have a pop anyway :P
Meep Meep!
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Aerion Va'rr
Scarab Empire
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.27 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Muad 'dib
however cynabal pilots tend to avoid solo drakes... but most have a pop anyway :P
Solo Drakes are always a Trap.
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Darling Hassasin
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Posted - 2011.07.27 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Darling Hassasin on 27/07/2011 11:00:03
If you know he is coming place a cruise Raven in a belt with an omfg tank and gank and then place a cloaked rapier close to the Raven (or even at 0 gate to belt warp drop out). For the sake of completeness and to avoid lol losing both ships a pair of RR (armor) and some med rep drones on the Raven will seal the deal.
Or because of Falcon ( I never do this is too low a blow ... )
Btw this is also the best way to kill a Dramiel too... A t1 frig with 3 mids and a cloaked Falcon friend...
Edit: ok I am slightly off topic innit? sorryz...
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.07.27 13:44:00 -
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I would imagine best way to make sure you get cynabal to engage and bait him is with 1-2 assault frigs as bait, yes they will most likely die, and a loki.
So have your alt in a tanked out af that has some speed on him, get scramb/web enough time for your loki to catch him with his web/point, af probably dies, but hopefully you kill the cynabal before his light ecm drones jams the joke and warps off.
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.07.27 15:32:00 -
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you're probably right, i dont use cynabals much nor my corp.
Meep Meep!
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Maz3r Rakum
Gallente
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Maz3r Rakum on 10/08/2011 16:55:29
What is a cynabal?
One thing that hasn't been mentioned, is a dram. Overheat on approach and don't fly straight at him. If you land a scram on him, you might be able to pop his ecm drones before they jam you.
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2011.08.12 02:04:00 -
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srsly? no one said it yet?
HAM drake, let him come towards you and then turn in his face with overloaded MWD.
Most vaga/cynabal pilots are ****ing stupid.
If your looking at amarr....hm, geddon with a heavy neut? He will run from a curse, even the daftest of cynabal pilots know a curse is bad.
Duel rep sac could do it, easily...you can actuall deal damage unless you scram him...which 80% of the time you should be able to do
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.12 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbo5771
srsly? no one said it yet?
HAM drake, let him come towards you and then turn in his face with overloaded MWD.
Most vaga/cynabal pilots are ****ing stupid.
If your looking at amarr....hm, geddon with a heavy neut? He will run from a curse, even the daftest of cynabal pilots know a curse is bad.
Duel rep sac could do it, easily...you can actuall deal damage unless you scram him...which 80% of the time you should be able to do
er yes, i did its even on this page of posts....
Meep Meep!
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.08.12 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Precisionist
I would imagine best way to make sure you get cynabal to engage and bait him is with 1-2 assault frigs as bait, yes they will most likely die, and a loki...
Screw bait and abusive link mechanics, a Vengeance/Retribution tag-team drops them easily enough 
Hard part is holding them in place, but they are ****y bastards so you can often get away with using AB AFs against which they have no defense.
Cynabal's have awesome range, but like all big-bore gun wielders they struggle once you are under the guns.
Now two AFs against a SFI is certain death for the frigates as they generally use 220's and have a massive tracking bonus .. probably the only cruiser I really fear when out gallivanting in frigs.
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2011.08.12 16:17:00 -
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I don't know why you need all these weird ships to fight a cynabal. Almost any battlecruiser will at least drive one off and will kill it if they land a scram. |
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Sjugar
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Posted - 2011.08.12 16:59:00 -
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Ishkur with a scram and a tracking disruptor?
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