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Iggy Stooge
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock
I could say that many people here are maroons for spending their money on subscriptions fees in order to train their character, that is my opinion in a game as top heavy as this one. But that is only just my opinion, nothing more. They very well must value their experience in different ways than myself, I wouldn't insult them for such, and I don't.
People don't spend their money on subscriptions in order to train their character, they do it to play the game. Believe it or not, that for many is fun. All you have bought is a character, with accumulated SP, but you can't buy the years of enjoyment that went along with playing Eve while building this character. Nor can you buy knowledge, experience or in game friends. You may think staring out at the 'top' is the best use of your time and money, but believe me, it isn't.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Teala Te'Jir No, no, no...no selling of SP for rl money no matter how much people ***** and moan. This will do nothing but cause insane amount of whining on the boards and overtax CCP trying to sort out all the petitions because some noob that bought 40mil SP lost their big bad, fully fitted BS to another character - a character that knew how to actually fly their ship and not some noob that on day one bought their SP!
Players still need to learn the ropes. It should still take time to learn how to play. Putting a day old noob into a BS with t2 guns, rigs and whatnot is just not right and will only bring grief to the noob player and to CCP.
Man that is the same old tired argument with a HUGE assumption. The assumption is that it is a LOW SP pilot wishing to buy SP. But what of the 60-80 Million SP pilot that wants to buy 10 million SP to round out a half dozen skills from Level 4 to Level 5? THAT is the person who will want to buy SP. Or maybe another 80 Million SP guy who wants a new character with some skills and they are perfectly able to utilize that new character. Those are the people willing to pay...
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Rividien Calennand
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:43:00 -
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so you opened a thread asking why people was against a matter just to keep not listening and to say you're right?
if you can't understand the difference between creating a 60m character from thin air and buying an already existing one then you do not deserve more answers.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Mark Sherlock Since I am not going to be spending the roughly $400 it takes to train up to 53m sp, I instead spend just over $200. That is lost rev, not gained.
How is it lost revenue?
The subscription (PLEX) time spent originally to train the character does not convert equally to the plex needed to purchase the same amount of SP.
ie It took 10 Plex to purchase the isk, to purchase the SP. It would have taken 20 Plex in subscription time to train it myself.
But the guy that trained the char spent either RL monies or bought plex, (which is still RL monies) to train it. Then you spent even more RL monies (via plex) to purchase the char.
So again, where is the lost revenue?
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Mark Sherlock
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Mark Sherlock
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Mark Sherlock Since I am not going to be spending the roughly $400 it takes to train up to 53m sp, I instead spend just over $200. That is lost rev, not gained.
How is it lost revenue?
The subscription (PLEX) time spent originally to train the character does not convert equally to the plex needed to purchase the same amount of SP.
ie It took 10 Plex to purchase the isk, to purchase the SP. It would have taken 20 Plex in subscription time to train it myself.
But the guy that trained the char spent either RL monies or bought plex, (which is still RL monies) to train it. Then you spent even more RL monies (via plex) to purchase the char.
So again, where is the lost revenue?
I didn't spend $400 to train my character, I spent $200.
If you were not able to buy SP, I would have spent $400 in subscription fees to train my character. Here I am with a character with equal to that, yet I spent $200.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock I didn't spend $400 to train my character, I spent $200.
If you were not able to buy SP, I would have spent $400 in subscription fees to train my character. Here I am with a character with equal to that, yet I spent $200.
You spent $200 on top of the monies someone already spent on that char, that's not a loss but a gain.
Again, please point to the loss of revenue, so far you haven't.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock I didn't spend $400 to train my character, I spent $200.
If you were not able to buy SP, I would have spent $400 in subscription fees to train my character. Here I am with a character with equal to that, yet I spent $200.
Someone else, however, did spend the time and possibly the cash to train that character up. That's the point you refuse to accept. Every skill point on the character you bought was already earned. The character changed hands after the work was done. You want characters to be granted high levels of skill points without any work at all. Therein lies the rub.
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Nizran L'Crit
Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:30:00 -
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Ok, buying chars in the bazaar is not a bad thing. Let me preface with that, I am not attacking you, just trying to see if you can understand what we're saying.
A guy/gal goes and starts a character in EVE Online. They skill up this character to 53m SP and then turns around an sells it. This person gets the money from that venture and it is his profit for his work on skilling up that character. He takes this ISK that he just made and buys himself a bada$$ ship with killer modules. He just injected that money back into the Market thereby giving the people who made those ships more money to spend on other things and so on and so forth. Those billions of ISK will go to work in the market a hundred times over and continue to benefit the players.
A guy/gal goes and starts a character in EVE Online. They skill up this character to 53m SP and in the process, pays CCP 6 Billion ISK in plex. CCP says thank you very much and it disappears....no market injection, no people benefitting from it, it disappears into thin air.
That is the difference that everyone is trying to explain. This game lets people do things like create a business that makes corps, gets them to high standings and then resells them, or a character who skills up chars and then sells them in the bazaar, or acts as a third party for items that can't be sold in market or on contract. If CCP gets it's greedy little paws into that, it would start to infringe on individual people's methods of profit and businesses, much like governments do. It's a no no and in the long run would cause fluctuations in the market in a negative way. I wanna be L337!!! |
Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock
I weighed selling them for a higher return. Time has a currency value associated to it in my opinion. Immediate return at a cost was more preferable to spending time and effort for a higher return. You can call my a maroon(?), but I was totally saticfied with my results.
There are buy orders on the market as well you know and I'd wager real money that the person you contracted to were buying under that otherwise they are the chump.
I don't pay money to train my characters I pay money to play the game and I happen to train while doing that.
Buying SP bypasses the whole playing the game thing.
I'm pretty sure the intention of the character bazaar wasn't for people to be able to buy them for real world cash and I suspect that the bulk of the market is actually people who have played wanting to change focus or try something new so they earn the isk by playing the game then use said isk to buy a trained character.
So an industrialist who has made a killing selling marauders and then decides they want to PVP looks at the character bazaar and buys a PVP spec'd character.
While the plex system can be used to convert real life cash into isk to buy said characters that's not it's only use.
Of course you still ignore the whole buying SP BYPASSES GAME MECHANICS thing.
Personally I think a newby spending real life cash on a pre-existing character is stupid. I mean why play the damned game at all at that point. To make it even more stupid you're not going to be as invested in the game and the character so you're far less likely to stick around for any substantial length of time and you just blew a load of cash on a game you won't be playing.
But hey that's you're choice and as long as you do it through the character bazaar you aren't affecting my game. I can still get a decent guess on how many sp you have so I'll have some idea of how dangerous your character might be.
Personally I find that a significant portion of the satisfaction in playing the game comes from the waiting to unlock abilities. The wait adds to the feeling of accomplishment once it completes.
It also puts consequences on ones training decisions. You have to make choices of what to prioritize when one decides to train one thing you automatically have to defer training another.
For instance my goal for this character is to be PVP capable (full T2 fitting) in every sub-cap ship in the game sans Black Ops (will do eventually but I consider that more a part of eventual cap training.
Currently I can fly all T1 ships save for the tier 2 and 3 Amarr as far as weapon systems go I still have to finish training large lasers to T2 and all missile skills to the same.
I have to make choices on which to train when, by training to fly Amarr BS and use large T2 lasers I'm putting off training up my missile skills, the 30 days I spent training logi 5 delayed everything else. So the choices have rewards and consequences.
When I spent a year on int/mem skills I put off T2 ships and weapons. Yeah it was annoying at the time that was the cost, the reward was that when I finished it and switched to per/will I was able to train the ship/weapon skill and just start flying them while my buddy who started playing at the same time and trained more willy nilly is locked out of certain ship types due to lacking pre-reqs.
You are bypassing that portion of the game when you buy a character but at least when you do it through the bazaar someone had to make those choices and you are stuck with the consequences of those choices.
Buying SP completely removes all the consequences.
EVE without consequence isn't EVE anymore it's just another old ass game with a **** poor UI.
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Mark Sherlock
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Mark Sherlock I didn't spend $400 to train my character, I spent $200.
If you were not able to buy SP, I would have spent $400 in subscription fees to train my character. Here I am with a character with equal to that, yet I spent $200.
You spent $200 on top of the monies someone already spent on that char, that's not a loss but a gain.
Again, please point to the loss of revenue, so far you haven't.
You would't consider the $200 I personally saved, money CCP will not see, in training time a loss?
Repeating this for the third time now, It cost him/her $400 to train 53m sp, cost me 200$ to train 53m sp. Now, it would have cost me $400 to train if I didn't just straight up buy the SP and choose to train it instead. $200 =/= $400 last time I checked.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock
You would't consider the $200 I personally saved, money CCP will not see, in training time a loss?
Repeating this for the third time now, It cost him/her $400 to train 53m sp, cost me 200$ to train 53m sp. Now, it would have cost me $400 to train if I didn't just straight up buy the SP and choose to train it instead. $200 =/= $400 last time I checked.
Well, no. It's bonus money actually, over and above the training. You're paying for the account regardless. You're paying the same money to continue training this character as you would have with a brand new character. Therefore there's no actual loss from you. The gain is that you paid an additional $200 for a character that someone already paid $400 in subscriptions to skill up. By paying $200 for that character, you turned it into a $600 character with the skills of a $400 character, plus you're still going to be paying the subscription. If you'd started from scratch and spent $200 for the skill points that whole original $400 would never have happened and would be lost revenues.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Mark Sherlock I didn't spend $400 to train my character, I spent $200.
If you were not able to buy SP, I would have spent $400 in subscription fees to train my character. Here I am with a character with equal to that, yet I spent $200.
You spent $200 on top of the monies someone already spent on that char, that's not a loss but a gain.
Again, please point to the loss of revenue, so far you haven't.
You would't consider the $200 I personally saved, money CCP will not see, in training time a loss?
Repeating this for the third time now, It cost him/her $400 to train 53m sp, cost me 200$ to train 53m sp. Now, it would have cost me $400 to train if I didn't just straight up buy the SP and choose to train it instead. $200 =/= $400 last time I checked.
lol
You only have one subscription per account per month. Buying a character with eleventy billion skillpoints isn't going to change that therefore you are having no impact on their revenue steam by way of the number of skillpoints you have. ~~~
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mag''s on 07/07/2011 18:16:23
Originally by: Mark Sherlock You would't consider the $200 I personally saved, money CCP will not see, in training time a loss?
Repeating this for the third time now, It cost him/her $400 to train 53m sp, cost me 200$ to train 53m sp. Now, it would have cost me $400 to train if I didn't just straight up buy the SP and choose to train it instead. $200 =/= $400 last time I checked.
You didn't train the char, so it cost you $200 to buy it pre-trained.
You didn't spend the time training it, it was pre-trained.
It already cost RL monies to train that char, you simply added extra monies to the pot for the pre-trained char.
Someone already spent time and monies training it. For you to do the same it would take over 2 years. You will now play and still pay, no matter how long you play for. CCP have not lost any revenue, they have in fact gained, because you paid RL monies for a pre-trained char.
$200 + $400 = $600 last I checked.
Now, please tell me where the lost revenue is.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Mark Sherlock
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore Personally I think a newby spending real life cash on a pre-existing character is stupid. I mean why play the damned game at all at that point. To make it even more stupid you're not going to be as invested in the game and the character so you're far less likely to stick around for any substantial length of time and you just blew a load of cash on a game you won't be playing.
SP system is a time sink, exteremly top heavy time sink where I beleive only inceasing subscription time necessary is really the goal. I think this game is amazing, but hell if I'm going to be stuck in gimp mode when simply trying to pilot a frigate for months. Luckily you can pay to win the SP game circumventing this. Paying $15 a month to queue up skills for a couple months is foolish. I'm not talking Cruiers or Battleships, I'm talking just Frigs.
I only purchased the SP after I played the game for 4 weeks and realized what's probably oblivious to most newbs, it takes months to effectively pilot a ship. Months of logging in, queuing, logging out. I already hit the standings I wanted with NPC corps I choose, there wasn't much less for me to do than practice PvP in losing ships.
Which I found out in comparison to other corpmates that its very different with newb skills than when you have some skills leveled up, same ship, same fittings. What I would be losing primary in purchasing SP, is the gimp mode. That and I would have to spend more money if I trained conventionally.
The difference in practicing with 53m as opposed to 1.2m is I can gain more peronsal experiance faster, puting more of it in my control and less in a skill queue system. With money and losing ships not an issue, its a better situation imo.
Originally by: Skex Relbore
You are bypassing that portion of the game when you buy a character but at least when you do it through the bazaar someone had to make those choices and you are stuck with the consequences of those choices.
Luckily there are nice wiki articles covering such aspects and what to watch out for.
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Cpt Greagor
Caldari Liquid Relief
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:17:00 -
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Buying SP is very much different than buying a character with SP. When you buy SP, the SP just comes out of thin air instantly. When you buy a character, SOMEONE had to take the time to train that character up, and the isk you pay for that character goes back into the games market, not CCP's big evil corporation.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock
I only purchased the SP after I played the game for 4 weeks and realized what's probably oblivious to most newbs, it takes months to effectively pilot a ship. Months of logging in, queuing, logging out. I already hit the standings I wanted with NPC corps I choose, there wasn't much less for me to do than practice PvP in losing ships.
What you fail to realize is that you can buy a character with the skills to pilot ships and it could still take months before you can pilot those ships.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Mark Sherlock I didn't spend $400 to train my character, I spent $200.
If you were not able to buy SP, I would have spent $400 in subscription fees to train my character. Here I am with a character with equal to that, yet I spent $200.
You spent $200 on top of the monies someone already spent on that char, that's not a loss but a gain.
Again, please point to the loss of revenue, so far you haven't.
You would't consider the $200 I personally saved, money CCP will not see, in training time a loss?
Repeating this for the third time now, It cost him/her $400 to train 53m sp, cost me 200$ to train 53m sp. Now, it would have cost me $400 to train if I didn't just straight up buy the SP and choose to train it instead. $200 =/= $400 last time I checked.
No wonder you got scammed you don't understand basic math.
As far as CCP is concerned they got all $600 plus you are now on the hook for subscription fees for however long you decide to pay. Those plex you bought will be used by someone who may have stopped playing do to lack of real life money so they are winners. The player you gave the ISKies to can now turn around and use said isk to buy shinnies or another character to play this after having had the ability to play said character for the last 3 years.
You meanwhile are stuck with what ever name the creator decided to give the purchased toon as well as any reputation and faction standings (or lack there of) that the original player made. If the character was used as a spy good luck getting into a player corporation.
Oh and I find the idea that you managed to buy a 53mil SP pilot for $200 worth of plex completely non-credible. At 400 mil per plex that's only 5.2bil isk and from looking through the board that's less than half what characters with that level of SP are going for. So you either got a really good deal, there was something wrong with the character or you are exaggerating(lying) somewhere.
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Adelain Niska
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rividien Calennand so you opened a thread asking why people was against a matter just to keep not listening and to say you're right?
if you can't understand the difference between creating a 60m character from thin air and buying an already existing one then you do not deserve more answers.
I don't care either way. Makes no difference if I can/can't buy SP. I do have questions as to why folks get into a huff over it. Does a person who is buying a 60 mil SP chr or buying the 60 mil SP (hypothetically) really care about the time someone put into building the 60 mil SP chr? Should they? What does it matter? Does that time add anything to the chr?
Whether the SP were built up over years or created instantly, they are no different to the end user of the SP. Time doesn't matter and shouldn't to the hypothetical person making the purchase.
The only valid, yet shallow, argument I can see after reading this thread is that people don't want others doing something they don't want to/can't do themselves under the guise that the time someone puts into building up the SP matters.
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Ranger64511
Operational Detachment-Alpha The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock I see many a post involving, "I'll quit if you can purcahse SP"...
I started playing eve four weeks ago, four week old account. I have two characters. One with 1.2 million SP, another with 53 million SP. I actually created another account to train additional SP, but letting that one run dry as purchasing SP is cheaper than training it.
I bought PLEX online through CCP account management.
I sold plex for isk.
I bought SP with isk
What's the fuss about? I can only imagine this has been around for a while now.
Because if you buy SP you can be in any ship that you want right away. So we will have one, two day old pilots that can fly titans and Super Capital ships. This is silly and would throw off the game. Skill training is one of the things that I enjoy about EVE. We all started out as a new pilot and worked our way up to where we are today. How fair also would it be for a 2003 or even a 2004 player? They spent years training and now a new 2011 pilot can fly the same things with the same amount of skills.
Basically it comes down to a balance in the game and if SP is bought then it will through the balance out the window. --------------------------- We live to die another day. |
Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:35:00 -
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Welcome to the instant gratification generation. What makes this game a keeper is the constant and lasting sense of achivement. I predict you'll last about 2 months.
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Mark Sherlock
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 07/07/2011 18:16:23
Originally by: Mark Sherlock You would't consider the $200 I personally saved, money CCP will not see, in training time a loss?
Repeating this for the third time now, It cost him/her $400 to train 53m sp, cost me 200$ to train 53m sp. Now, it would have cost me $400 to train if I didn't just straight up buy the SP and choose to train it instead. $200 =/= $400 last time I checked.
You didn't train the char, so it cost you $200 to buy it pre-trained.
You didn't spend the time training it, it was pre-trained.
It already cost RL monies to train that char, you simply added extra monies to the pot for the pre-trained char.
Someone already spent time and monies training it. For you to do the same it would take over 2 years. You will now play and still pay, no matter how long you play for. CCP have not lost any revenue, they have in fact gained, because you paid RL monies for a pre-trained char.
$200 + $400 = $600 last I checked.
Now, please tell me where the lost revenue is.
I have 53m SP right now. My training cost me $200. It's pretty cool I didnt have to pay $400 and wait two irl years.
$200 and immediate is definitely cheeper and more fun imo.
I do understand and agree with what you are saying. I saved $200 in training time, that has to come from somewhere. Any guesses?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 07/07/2011 18:40:09
Originally by: Adelain Niska
I don't care either way. Makes no difference if I can/can't buy SP. I do have questions as to why folks get into a huff over it. Does a person who is buying a 60 mil SP chr or buying the 60 mil SP (hypothetically) really care about the time someone put into building the 60 mil SP chr? Should they? What does it matter? Does that time add anything to the chr?
Whether the SP were built up over years or created instantly, they are no different to the end user of the SP. Time doesn't matter and shouldn't to the hypothetical person making the purchase.
The only valid, yet shallow, argument I can see after reading this thread is that people don't want others doing something they don't want to/can't do themselves under the guise that the time someone puts into building up the SP matters.
It's not only about the end result, it's the sum of all parts that's important. The ultimate essense of the issue is that you're creating something from thin air in a game designed to be effectivly fully player created. Aside from what... seeded skill books and the like, everything in Eve's economy is there due to the work of the player base. When you inject things from the outside like that you're bypassing all the player efforts. If you're incapable of understanding why this is bad, you're probably playing the wrong game.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock I saved $200 in training time, that has to come from somewhere. Any guesses?
You're an idiot?
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:44:00 -
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I have to say I feel kinda sorry for the OP, You've just bypassed a great deal of the game that is a lot of fun. Playing games is about the experience, trying, failing, learning. It's would be like playing Diablo and starting with a max level character.
I dare say you will get bored of Eve very quickly, but you have no one to blame but yourself.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock I have 53m SP right now. My training cost me $200. It's pretty cool I didnt have to pay $400 and wait two irl years.
$200 and immediate is definitely cheeper and more fun imo.
I do understand and agree with what you are saying. I saved $200 in training time, that has to come from somewhere. Any guesses?
I think you're intentionally playing stupid now. The $200 you saved in training time isn't really saved. Someone else spent $400 of training time to create that character you paid an additional $200 for. You paid a $200 share of a character that had $600 spent to create. There's nothing lost. You added $200 value to a $400 character. That's an overall $200 gain for that character. Now you begin to pay for training time with your subscriptions.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Mark Sherlock I saved $200 in training time, that has to come from somewhere. Any guesses?
You're an idiot?
But he's an idiot with 53m SP. Nothing can go wrong. ~~~
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Mavrk
Minmatar TOP GUHN
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Mark Sherlock I saved $200 in training time, that has to come from somewhere. Any guesses?
You're an idiot?
But he's an idiot with 53m SP. Nothing can go wrong.
I think I found one of the greatest trolling threads ever... this is hilarious. --- I'm not trying to be a turd on purpose. I'm just telling you how you are wrong.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock More stuff and nonsense
Hey you want to skip the playing the game part by buying an existing character that's your choice. I think you are losing out on part of the experience and satisfaction of playing but to each their own.
I played through it and now having played through the "gimp" mode as you call it and reaching the other side I have a much better understanding of what skills do what in the game, Having had to compensate with low SP I learned player skills that remain with me now that I'm no longer on the low SP side of the divide.
Another thing you might not have considered is that players of equivalent experience against whom you'd have a better chance in battle will tend to avoid engaging you while those who are willing to do so will generally have much more actual player experience.
I'd be real curious to see the combat record of this purchased toon to see just how much reading wiki's and guides has helped you overcome people with real in game knowledge.
All that said it still doesn't make buying a character from the bazaar the equivalent of outright purchasing SP directly from CCP for cash.
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Avid Bumhumper
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:56:00 -
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Purchasing SP is a great idea! Just think, any griefer/thief can reroll a new character instantly. Avoid wardecs, theft claims, everything.
I Don't support this product or service (Meaning Eve)
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Mark Sherlock
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Khamelean I have to say I feel kinda sorry for the OP, You've just bypassed a great deal of the game that is a lot of fun. Playing games is about the experience, trying, failing, learning. It's would be like playing Diablo and starting with a max level character.
I dare say you will get bored of Eve very quickly, but you have no one to blame but yourself.
Diablo II was awesome!
None the less, at 1.2m sp I didnt find the game as fun in comparison to experiencing it now with 53m sp. I doubt there are many out there that create new characters with with the aim to train the new skills so they can experience "play the skill queue" once more.
I would encourage anyone who does attempt the above, to play Diablo II while they're logged out waiting for their skills to train. Great game.
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