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Hauling 12 plex in anything is stupid.

Not hauling in a hauler is stupid.

Find the happy medium.

no it is not the same discussion, the asteroid belt, we have no sentry gunns and which one must be pushed away

and not near a station either, right? or the station guns would get you. i think.

Well you could make sure to fit your freighter's module slots with tank fittings... oh wait it doesn't have any module slots.

Hmm, I think I see the real problem here.

I'm being serious. If you fly an industrial ship you have options. If you want to take more risk you can fit it with cargo expansion modules & rigs. If you want to haul something valuable you can (sort of) tank it up a bit and make it harder to gank. Of course nothing is ever 100% gank proof, but you can make the potential ganker have to recalculate your EHP and force them to sacrifice more disposable alt ships to the job, which may tip the scales over to "not worth it" - which is your only real security but a form of security none-the-less. If all else fails you can just jump into a covert ops hauler and tell the gankers to suck it.

In other words, with industrial ships there are player options that let them decide if they want more cargo or more safety. Freighters, on the other hand, only come in four effectively identical flavors; all of them unarmed, no weapons, no drones, and no module slots or even rig slots in which to change anything.

If CCP were to make freighters into actual ships and not just flying cargo canisters this problem might change, or at least it would become a problem where you would have more of a leg to stand on when people cry about being ganked (i.e. "Should have fitted it with tank instead of sacrificing EHP for cargo, then.") This lack of options makes freighters easy to gank in another way, too, being as without any potential for variation once you know how many disposable alts it takes to pop one open the first time you now have the winning formula that will work every time without exception. This means that the logistics of ganking a freighter can be set in stone and no tactics or variations are required to do it.

Conclusion: Make freighters real.

i was trying to help keep your secret with an indirect question

Slight derail... why have the suicide gankings of exhumers moreless ceased? Last I checked, an untanked mackinaw (which is quite prevalent) has only 15k EHP.... cheapfit dessies should easily make a meal of it!!

Aww but they already have a choice. Go 34 extra jumps to avoid 1 system or don't fly the route at all. Plenty of choice in my opinion...

They could also carry apparently nothing and get shot anyway. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14618880

fake edit: I really hope that was someone transporting one of those 8b isk collateral courier jobs.

I don't see why the freighters just don't log off. Unless they are AFK.

Amazing
Justifying exploitable offenses, no risk vs reward, recyclable characters

Eve has come a long way, but its still going down the toilet due to you *******.

I'm all for ganking if people like doing it , it is part of eve.The only thing wich allways has concerned me is the throw away negative sec chars.That goes for the freighter ganking now , the hulkageddon thingy and all other previous forms that we have seen .


Easy to fix though , characters with a -sec stat can not be removed from your account until they are positive again.Should be able to implement such a thing in a few days is my guess IF CCP wanted to since they claim to be against recycle alts.

Posted before. Stay under 2 bill and no wraps on your stuff and you will avoid most gank. It can still happen tho...

They should really nerf Caldari freighters along with their combat ships.

The downside is completely limited. It is in fact a fixed cost and must be accepted or the process can't happen. One might argue that it turns the "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" rule on it's head as the loss is intended as a cost of business.

You can't lose more than you intend or "accept", unless you're a complete flipping idiot and fail to understand the concept of "suicide". It's all potential upside.

Risk mitigation at it's finest.